From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 9 2:59:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E08137B5B2 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:59:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p237.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.237]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA56638 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:57:50 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA00519 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:18:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:18:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Moused and X Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had X running via /dev/cuaa0 quiet well. Then I discovered moused, really usefull in the console. moused -p /dev/cuaao -m 2=3, which now sits as a moused.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, maybe I should put the line into /etc/rc.local (on a 3.1 system). The -t microsoft is found automagically. I have trouble making this run with X. It worked ok without changing the setting of the mouseport in the X Setup, I changed just mousetype to MouseSystems, when I did install moused via the /stand/sysinstall utility. but this setup didnt support my two knop (sorry for my poor english) mouse, I didnt know which line to add to /etc/rc.conf for the "-m 2=3" part. How can I make it work with the now usual setup, the mentioned moused.sh ? Or: which line do I have to add to /etc/rc.conf ? Well, its still more or less a black box, this OS ;-) But less than Macs or Windows boxes, Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 9 8: 9: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web209.mail.yahoo.com (web209.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.109]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E57637B5BC for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 15396 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2000 15:08:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409150819.15395.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.44.145.248] by web209.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:08:19 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jean-Mark Dupoux Subject: web resource To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-719885386-955292899=:15073" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0-719885386-955292899=:15073 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi to all other newbies (my own system is not even running yet but intend to fix that soon as new HDD is installed), found a link which I thought might interest some of uunix/freebsd section of Yahoo clubs site --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. --0-719885386-955292899=:15073 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii hi to all other newbies (my own system is not even running yet but intend to fix that soon as new HDD is installed), found a link which I thought might interest some of u unix/freebsd section of Yahoo clubs site


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Messenger. --0-719885386-955292899=:15073-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 9 9:15:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3CE37B7DE for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: from bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id SAA20372 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:14:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by bigeye.rhein-neckar.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA58495 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:11:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Moused and X Date: 9 Apr 2000 17:11:18 +0200 Message-ID: <8cq6im$1p3h$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> References: To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > I had X running via /dev/cuaa0 quiet well. Then I discovered moused, > really usefull in the console. moused -p /dev/cuaao -m 2=3, which now sits > as a moused.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, That's nice, but you can (and thus should) set up moused in /etc/rc.conf. It's straightforward. You can also take a look at /etc/rc.i386 to see how the moused_* variables from rc.conf are combined to start up moused. > I have trouble making this run with X. moused works as a repeater. Have the X11 server access /dev/sysmouse. > Or: which line do I have to add to /etc/rc.conf ? Well, copy-and-paste solutions aren't what this list is for. Now, if you had asked on -questions... -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 9 11:33:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07D237B639; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:33:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p100.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.100]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA66012; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:32:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA00330; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:29:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:29:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Moused and X In-Reply-To: <8cq6im$1p3h$1@bigeye.rhein-neckar.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Christian, thanks. > > I had X running via /dev/cuaa0 quiet well. Then I discovered moused, > > really usefull in the console. moused -p /dev/cuaao -m 2=3, which now sits > > as a moused.sh in /usr/local/etc/rc.d, > > That's nice, but you can (and thus should) set up moused in > /etc/rc.conf. It's straightforward. You can also take a look at > /etc/rc.i386 to see how the moused_* variables from rc.conf are > combined to start up moused. And there I found, surprise, surprise, "moused_flags". Adding the line moused_flags="-m 2=3" is ok in the console, with this two button Microsoft Mouse, but seems to make no sense with X (and is maybe therefor not in the setup utility /stand/sysinstall). Its a pity ;-) If you read this in -questions only, please cc any solution to uzs106etc, since I cannot subscribe to this valuable source of information, too much traffic. Cheers, Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Apr 9 13:38: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFA737B525 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:37:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mflan@mindspring.com) Received: from loki.internal.mindspring.com (bronx-yz.fw.mindspring.net [207.69.192.4]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA02087 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004d01bfa263$7e0e6d80$c76411ac@internal.mindspring.com> From: "Mike" To: References: Subject: de0 Auto sense failed.. Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:36:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Immediatly after boot up when it asks for login I get a de0 auto sense failed.It currently isnt on the network and im wondering if its sensing for network connectivity or if my NIC card might be installed improperly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 10 10: 6:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F5C37B65B for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:06:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5724 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:06:48 -0700 Message-ID: <38F2098A.FD407AFA@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:04:10 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: local libraries and includes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After having a bit of problems yesterday compiling some stuff, I came up with a general question. What is the best way to have the build tools look at /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include? I put some stuff in my .login, but there should be a better way. Is there a global file somewhere I'm overlooking? What's the Standard Operating Procedure? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 10 19:56:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe41.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 856C137B791 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:56:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from koolmax@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 81748 invoked by uid 65534); 11 Apr 2000 02:56:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20000411025617.81746.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [193.230.164.211] From: "Max Kool" To: "Marty Poulin" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Dillema... Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:11:07 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello again all, Thanks for all your advice. I finally got the time to fool around with them operating systems. Some of you asked for a follow-up on this so here it is. After realizing I have no partitioning program, I downloaded Partition Magic 5 which took about 4 days (I don't have much time to spend on my computer and I'm only a 33K). I decided to just make one partition (1.2 GB) and install all of them one by one and keep the one I like most. I first installed RedHat 6.1, as I heard it had a user-friendly installer with no problems. It's not the installer I had trouble with. Firstly, it wouldn't multi-boot even though I told him to when I installed it. Or is there a key I should have pressed when it went "LILO boot..."? Anyway, I got over that and then spent an hour and a half trying to get GNOME to use 800x600x16bpp. I ran xconf a couple hundred times (well.. :-)) but it would either use the normal 640x480x8bpp or it just wouldn't start telling me that no video modes are usable. I said what the hell and next I tried FreeBSD. While I hear the installation should have been painless, I couldn't install it. Maybe because it's an older version (3.2, june '99), I dunno - what I had trouble with was Fdisk. I don't know what I did wrong. I marked my partition FreeBSD, all was ok, it said it didn't need a swap partition, I didn't give it one. And when I wanted to start the actual install, it told me that it needed several more partitions (guess I should have taken notes cause I can't remember what those were). So call me stupid, but I couldn't install FreeBSD. Ah well, I'll try again and eventually succeed. Guess it is user friendly but that depends on the user :-) Next up, Corel Linux Deluxe. Installation was child's play and I've only two problems with it: it didn't detect my soundcard and I couldn't dial into my ISP (I dunno how to disable 'logging on to network'). > 1. FreeBSD > The installation should be painless - make sure to check your hardware > against the hardware compatibility list, particularly if you have an > ethernet card. Which reminds me - there were 13 conflicting devices. I removed them all instead of the Sony CD-ROM as I had none of the others. Shouldn't I have? > 2. Red Hat Linux > 6.1 is a pretty good version to install - it has a "windows-like" gui > installer. Their disk partition utility was ok - it will be a big help if > you plan on multi-booting your system, It wasn't (see above). > but I still prefer the FreeBSD boot > manager over LILO. I agree, I didn't even get to install FreeBSD and it had already set up the multi- boot. > 3. Corel Open Linux > Yikes. In my opinion Corel is still Alpha-quality, but like I said > lots of people seem to like it. Hey you UNIX gurus don't need Corel Linux. It's for us newbies that can't get RedHat or FreeBSD to run :-) > If you're going to try it, watch out for the ATI Rage 3d > card problem. I have a Voodoo Banshee with 16MB and it worked with no fuss from the beggining in 1024x768x16bpp (which is more than I hoped, as I can't even get winblowz to use that resolution - can't adjust the refresh rate). Guess I was just lucky :-) Well, thanks again for your advice, guys. I'll keep you posted. Max To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Apr 10 21:28:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AD237B57E for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA94973; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:28:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <38F2098A.FD407AFA@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:28:34 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: David Johnson Subject: RE: local libraries and includes Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-Apr-00 David Johnson wrote: > After having a bit of problems yesterday compiling some stuff, I came up > with a general question. What is the best way to have the build tools > look at /usr/local/lib and /usr/local/include? I put some stuff in my > .login, but there should be a better way. Is there a global file > somewhere I'm overlooking? What's the Standard Operating Procedure? To tell the compiler to search for includes in /usr/local/include (besides the standard /usr/include), use the following in your compile command: -I/usr/local/include To tell the linker to search for libraries in /usr/local/lib (besides the standard /usr/lib): -L/usr/local/lib You can add these to the CFLAGS variable in /etc/make.conf to have them used automatically in a Makefile. Just remember, you'll also need to specify any local libraries to link against, using the -l switch. For example, to tell the linker to use libfoo.a in /usr/local/lib: -L/usr/local/lib -lfoo (notice that both the leading "lib" and any extensions are not used) Hope this helps. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 4:49:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailrelay.ywcn.or.id (ip51-globalinfo.indosat.net.id [202.155.5.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA4D937B83D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:49:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naim@mlg.globalinfo.net) Received: (qmail 49875 invoked by uid 502); 12 Apr 2000 11:45:27 -0000 Received: from pop.mlg.globalinfo.net (167.205.168.135) by 167.205.169.9 with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 11:45:27 -0000 Received: from pop.mlg.globalinfo.net [167.205.168.135] by pop.mlg.globalinfo.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A75C7B04B6; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:54:36 PDT From: "Muhammad " Reply-To: "Muhammad " Date: Tue, 11 Apr 100 18:54:36 PDT To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: local libraries and includes Message-Id: <200004111854.SM00152@pop.mlg.globalinfo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I have trouble like that too, but I'm just pack_add packages program for freebsd 2.2.2 to my freebsd 3,2 . the error mesg is: ld.so failed: Can't find shared library "libslang.so.9938 even it libslang.so.9938 file exist in directory /usr/local/lib what should I do ... -naim- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 10: 8:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824B637BB8F for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:08:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3411; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:09:32 -0700 Message-ID: <38F35BAC.18BAE819@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:06:52 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Max Kool Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dillema... References: <20000411025617.81746.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Max Kool wrote: > Firstly, it wouldn't multi-boot even though I told him > to when I installed it. Or is there a key I should have pressed when > it went "LILO boot..."? Yes, there was a key :-) Either type in the profile name, or hit TAB for a list of profiles. > Anyway, I got over that and then spent an > hour and a half trying to get GNOME to use 800x600x16bpp. > I ran xconf a couple hundred times (well.. :-)) but it would either use > the normal 640x480x8bpp or it just wouldn't start telling me that > no video modes are usable. Try other X configuration programs. I had a heck of a time with Xconfigurator and xf86config, and then I stumbled upon XF86Setup (which is the standard util) and it worked great for me. > So call me > stupid, but I couldn't install FreeBSD. Ah well, I'll try again and > eventually succeed. FreeBSD is not the newbies OS. Don't sweat it. > Hey you UNIX gurus don't need Corel Linux. It's for us newbies that > can't get RedHat or FreeBSD to run :-) Well, I couldn't get Corel Linux to install on mine! As indicated in the XFree86 documentation, you are not supposed to probe my video card. But Corel insisted on doing it anyway, resulting in a reboot everytime. Nowhere was there an option to do it any other way... David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 10:11:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com [24.0.2.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DF937B505 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goodleaf@home.com) Received: from [24.14.237.48] by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000411171141.FHJV7733.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@[24.14.237.48]> for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:11:41 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:19:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Goodleaf" X-Sender: goodleaf@C702312-A.sttln1.wa.home.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Walk through for OpenSSH? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know of a good tutorial for setting up OpenSSH? (Or for one of the other similar apps?) This should be a real newbie-oriented document. The man pages aren't doing it for me. TIA -John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 15:11:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B510B37BB09 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:11:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ketangdoshi@aol.com) Received: from Ketangdoshi@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id n.67.2ead674 (7041) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ketangdoshi@aol.com Message-ID: <67.2ead674.2624fcfa@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:11:06 EDT Subject: help To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DEAR SIR. I BOUGHT AUDIO SOUND CARD PCI 3D AND HAVE PROBLEM TO WORK.HOW CAN I REACH YOU? CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR TELEPHONE #. THANKS. KETAN To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 21:57:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (janus.hosting4u.net [209.15.2.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A5D2837BBE8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andy@friends-tv.net) Received: (qmail 14858 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from jupiter.hosting4u.net (HELO friends-tv.net) (209.15.2.9) by janus.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 04:57:47 -0000 Received: from blade ([212.139.148.110]) by friends-tv.net ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:57:44 -0500 Message-ID: <028501bfa43c$1e68a230$0100a8c0@blade> From: "Andy Coates" To: Subject: Qmail and multiple POP3 Mailboxes Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:01:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've just swapped over to Qmail from sendmail and want to give users on my system more than one POP account. I checked out the qmail website and looked at an example but it seemed to conflict on the methods used (qmail-pop3d) from the one used to install it (qpopper, from the freebsd diary). If anyone knows of a website with instructions on doing this maybe an alternate way, or a complete way from scratch, it'd be much appreciated. Thanks, Andy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 22:14: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.whack.org (apogee.whack.org [216.186.243.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6191037BC4C for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:13:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ekips@whack.org) Received: from mx1.whack.org ([216.186.243.182] ident=ekips) by mx1.whack.org with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12fFTS-0004vt-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:13:59 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: `ekips To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org when making partitions with /stand/sysinstall, i decided to press "A" and got the following message: "Do you want to do this with a true partition entry so as to remain cooperative with any future operating systemss on the drive(s)?" ... and then points me to the FreeBSD FAQ, where i could not find any info on the subject. where can i find good documentation on this? or even better, could someone explain all the ramifications of my two options [yes/no]. thanx. -=f=- |||||||| ||||||| ||||||| |||||| ||||| |||| || Francisco J. Sanchez e://f@ekips.com e://franciscos@nbci.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Apr 11 22:59:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gw.tc.ru (gw-tc.gamma.ru [213.24.208.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4088B37B5A8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hobbit@tc.ru) Received: from alla (dhcp85.telecom [192.168.1.85]) by gw.tc.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11165 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:59:51 +0400 (MSD) Message-ID: <000901bfa444$41215c60$5501a8c0@telecom> From: "Oleg Pticin" To: Subject: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:59:24 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFA465.C81A9260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFA465.C81A9260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFA465.C81A9260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BFA465.C81A9260-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 13:32: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from xmh01.scott.af.mil (vejxoislxmh01.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB1C37B58B for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:31:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL) Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (cornerback.scott.af.mil [140.175.214.11]) by xmh01.scott.af.mil (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15316 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:36:49 -0500 Received: from cornerback.scott.af.mil (root@localhost) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with ESMTP id PAA02099 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:31:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from SMTP (vejxoisntav82.scott.af.mil [140.175.254.102]) by cornerback.scott.af.mil with SMTP id PAA02052 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:31:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ksvejx02.SCOTT.AF.MIL ([140.175.192.102]) by 140.175.254.102 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:31:56 0000 (GMT) Received: by ksvejx02.scott.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:32:04 -0500 Message-ID: From: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Subject: Color Terminal Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:31:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I go about "turning on" color for a terminal(IE ls --color)? In linux it is done default. Thanks, - SrA Daryl Chance USAF AMC CSS/SASR RAD Programmer (618) 256-2300 ------------------------------------ REAL programmers have keyboard dents in their foreheads. -Unknown To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 13:46:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cyberfrg.access.one.net (cyberfrg.access.one.net [216.23.8.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0456937B547 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from x11@cyberfrg.access.one.net) Received: (from x11@localhost) by cyberfrg.access.one.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA03484 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:55:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from x11) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:55:26 -0400 From: Mark Shirley To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Color Terminal Message-ID: <20000412165526.C412@cyberfrg.access.one.net> Reply-To: mark@entropynet.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL on Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 03:31:30PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i suggest using the package /usr/ports/misc/gnuls On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 03:31:30PM -0500, Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS wrote: > How do I go about "turning on" color for a terminal(IE ls --color)? In > linux > it is done default. > > Thanks, > - > SrA Daryl Chance USAF AMC CSS/SASR > RAD Programmer (618) 256-2300 > ------------------------------------ > REAL programmers have keyboard > dents in their foreheads. -Unknown > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- "You feel like you're being symbolically cas...t in a bad light." -- Ivanova (to Londo re: Londo doll), "There All The Honor Lies" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 14:14:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from eth.net (pop3.eth.net [202.9.145.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0826037B5A3 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nats@eth.net) Received: from eth.net ([202.9.169.32]) by eth.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:48:28 +0530 Message-ID: <38F4CCD9.F6A5E597@eth.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:52:01 +0530 From: Natanam S X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re. How to install packages from bsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sir, How to install packages from FreeBSD. Natanam S To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 14:24: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6499C37BB6F for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:24:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id RAA06172; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:23:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Yong Lim" To: "Natanam S" , Subject: RE: Re. How to install packages from bsd Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <38F4CCD9.F6A5E597@eth.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Depending on what packages you want to install. If you want to install package off the cdrom 1 do as follow: su to root. run: /stand/sysinstall select: c (for Configuration) select: packages select: cdrom select: "the packages you want" select: i (for install) It should be a go from there. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Natanam S Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 3:22 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re. How to install packages from bsd Sir, How to install packages from FreeBSD. Natanam S To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 14:42: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from area51.v-wave.com (area51.v-wave.com [24.108.26.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C824B37B646 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flatline@area51.v-wave.com) Received: (qmail 1433 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Apr 2000 21:41:58 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:41:58 -0600 From: Chris Wasser To: Andy Coates Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Qmail and multiple POP3 Mailboxes Message-ID: <20000412154158.C1351@area51.v-wave.com> References: <028501bfa43c$1e68a230$0100a8c0@blade> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <028501bfa43c$1e68a230$0100a8c0@blade>; from andy@friends-tv.net on Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 06:01:08AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 06:01:08AM +0100, Andy Coates wrote: > I checked out the qmail website and looked at an example but it seemed to > conflict on the methods used (qmail-pop3d) from the one used to install it > (qpopper, from the freebsd diary). I use qpopper from the ports with HOMEDIRMAIL pointing to ~/Mailbox, works well with qmail. Hope that helps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 14:42:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from area51.v-wave.com (area51.v-wave.com [24.108.26.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DCC837BA1D for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:42:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from flatline@area51.v-wave.com) Received: (qmail 1452 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Apr 2000 21:42:49 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:42:49 -0600 From: Chris Wasser To: Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS Cc: 'FreeBSD Newbies' Subject: Re: Color Terminal Message-ID: <20000412154249.D1351@area51.v-wave.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from DARYL.CHANCE@SCOTT.AF.MIL on Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 03:31:30PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 12, 2000 at 03:31:30PM -0500, Chance Daryl SrA AMC CSS/SAS wrote: > How do I go about "turning on" color for a terminal(IE ls --color)? In > linux > it is done default. cd /usr/ports/misc/gnuls && make install To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 15:17:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sf-mx1.Snap.COM (sf-mx1.snap.com [206.132.167.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2DC37B71F for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FranciscoS@nbci.com) Received: from exchange.snap.com (exchange.snap.com [10.100.1.19]) by sf-mx1.Snap.COM (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3CMHHp18041 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.snap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2P0XMFBJ>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:12:52 -0700 Message-ID: <4BA40B5A514ED311B9A40008C7DFB0A101297819@exchange2.snap.com> From: Francisco Sanchez To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: windowmaker Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:15:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, could anyone point me in the direction of a window maker mailing list? any suggestions would be much appreciated. -=f=- ::::::: NBCi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ::: ::: francisco j sanchez ::: Software Operations Engineer ::: v://415.375.5380 e://franciscos@nbci.com ::: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 15:32:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from icx.net (mailhub.icx.net [206.96.250.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A035A37B646 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:32:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from amie@icx.net) Received: from pm6al.icx.net (pm6al.icx.net [216.82.6.53]) by icx.net (IDG-2.7/1.3nr) with ESMTP id SAA18187; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Gail Pickett X-Sender: amie@poseidon.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: francisco@nbci.com Subject: Re: windowmaker Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.windowmaker.org/lists.html >hello, >could anyone point me in the direction of a window maker mailing >list? any >suggestions would be much appreciated. >-=f=- >::::::: NBCi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >::: >::: francisco j sanchez >::: Software Operations Engineer >::: v://415.375.5380 e://franciscos@nbci.com >::: >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Apr 12 18:26:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailrelay.ywcn.or.id (ip51-globalinfo.indosat.net.id [202.155.5.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 99AD237BB57 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:26:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naim@mlg.globalinfo.net) Received: (qmail 84890 invoked by uid 502); 14 Apr 2000 01:21:47 -0000 Received: from pop.mlg.globalinfo.net (167.205.168.135) by 167.205.169.9 with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 01:21:47 -0000 Received: from pop.mlg.globalinfo.net [167.205.168.135] by pop.mlg.globalinfo.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A83E16B00B2; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:31:10 PDT From: "Muhammad " Reply-To: "Muhammad " Date: Thu, 13 Apr 100 08:31:10 PDT To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Re. How to install packages from bsd Message-Id: <200004130831.SM00108@pop.mlg.globalinfo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Yong Lim" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:25:11 -0400 >Depending on what packages you want to install. If you want to install >package off the cdrom 1 do as follow: > >su to root. >run: /stand/sysinstall >select: c (for Configuration) >select: packages >select: cdrom >select: "the packages you want" >select: i (for install) > >It should be a go from there. > > >Yong > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Natanam S >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 3:22 PM >To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re. How to install packages from bsd > > >Sir, > >How to install packages from FreeBSD. > >Natanam S > > if you use command type from shell type: #pkg_add your.file_package To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 2:33:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ds9.sci.fi (ds9.sci.fi [195.74.0.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F03D37B841 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:32:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juksi@iname.com) Received: from sjukebox (MMXLI.dyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.29.241]) by ds9.sci.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA28102; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:32:30 +0300 (EET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <67.2ead674.2624fcfa@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:31:30 +0300 (EEST) From: Jukka Simila To: Ketangdoshi@aol.com Subject: RE: help Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Apr-00 Ketangdoshi@aol.com wrote: > DEAR SIR. > I BOUGHT AUDIO SOUND CARD PCI 3D AND HAVE PROBLEM TO > WORK.HOW CAN I REACH YOU? CAN YOU GIVE ME YOUR TELEPHONE #. > I doubt anyone want's to give a telephone #, but this would be a way to get help: first: read freeebsd handbook @ www.freebsd.org or perhaps in your own machine, /usr/share/doc/handbook IIRC second: search freebsd mailing lists regarding to your problem (questions, multimedia, stable and newbies might be the lists you want to search) at www.freebsd.org too and finally: send an email to questions@freebsd.org , containing: the name and complete model of your sound card description of the problem output of "dmesg" your kernel configuration file I have a feeling I forgot something, anyone ? @-`--,--`--- Jukka Simila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 7:37: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from iguana.internexo.co.cr (iguana.internexo.co.cr [196.40.17.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90A537B799 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:37:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from josoroma@internexo.co.cr) Received: from internexo.co.cr (baula.internexo.co.cr [196.40.17.11]) by iguana.internexo.co.cr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08023 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:26:47 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <38F5DC23.1201CB26@internexo.co.cr> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:39:31 -0600 From: Pablo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: helpme, please Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What i have to do for an exellent configuration of my monitor resolution in xf86config. Please helpme i cant found a perfect dirver in the database. send me one or various examples, please. memory ram: 1MB My main board is: Pentium Mainboard, PCI Bus and ISA Bus. Monitor is: 14 color monitor, VESA VGA / XGA VGA CARD is: FVGAP-SS (SIS 6202) PCI VGA card To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 8:53:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E5137B5DC; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:53:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id LAA15393; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Yong Lim" To: "'FreeBSD Newbies'" Cc: Subject: ranting Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:54:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <38E947B2.DD87C47B@home.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I must be reading too much /. to think I should have an opinion on an OS. I don't think paying a subscription to the CD's would qualify either. I guess just take this as what it is a grain of salt. Not that I am that new to Unix system. As with most everyone else these days my day job is writing c codes on NCR Unix, Unixware, AIX and Solaris (install this os on PC partition...sweet install). That still does not qualify me as anything other then a newbies here. Now on to my ranting...what's with the Backspace key? Running vi from xterm will not function the same as running vi from rxvt. Okay, a problem so I sent out an email. I am grateful for each an every responses and someone suggests that I look at terminfo. Has anyone look at that file? It is scary to pull that thing up. Second thing to do search the web for answer. Someone on the web did have two wonderful and descriptive description of the problem for Linux. It has a wonderful history of the original problem where it started during the punch card period. Now the last update to this web page was Sunday, February 27, 2000 17:29:48. How many years now? And no one think to solve this problem or choices? As most people might know BSD has as good and long history in it, that's probably why a similar article on how to solve this problem will come up shortly since BSD might not goes to the punch card period. The hippies started a bite later. Second ranting...I don't like MS. And FreeBSD and Lunix will take over MS one day. But has anybody read the manual lately? Before installing be sure to run Control Panel and notes all the IRQ's for the devices, the manual would read. Does anyone not see the problem here? This would mean that there's an existing running Window already. Forgive the soul who wrote the IRQ wrong and install his brand new os over Windows. Assuming the OS install went well and you need to have ppp going. Well, you don't have the sio map to the correct IRQ. Well, you need to rebuild the kernel. There are good articles and instruction on the web for doing this. I guess I should have known since a article by that gerbils loving guy an titled "FreeBSD for the SVR4/Linux Administrator" dealt exclusively with rebuilding the kernel. If I don't know what a gerbil is I should cancel my subscription. Well, I do have a Quadra 800 with 8 Meg of Ram and 500 Meg filling to the brim and it still works. May be aught to check out Apple again, I heard that they are developing a sweet, you can lick it OS. I must be see things as underneath that smiling Mac screen there's that three characters again BSD. Those damn hippies they are getting to everything now. Yong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 12:53:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sf-mx1.Snap.COM (sf-mx1.snap.com [206.132.167.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D035937BDBE; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FranciscoS@nbci.com) Received: from exchange.snap.com (exchange.snap.com [10.100.1.19]) by sf-mx1.Snap.COM (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DJrTp25842; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:53:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.snap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2P0XMVQW>; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:49:03 -0700 Message-ID: <4BA40B5A514ED311B9A40008C7DFB0A101297823@exchange2.snap.com> From: Francisco Sanchez To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: silly error Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:51:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org =D7 hello, =D7 i am still pretty new to the FreeBSD world, and the X world,=20 =D7 and, yes, also the WindowMaker world. if my question sounds=20 =D7 a little simplistic, please bear with me. anyway, i recently=20 =D7 installed FreeBSD 4.0, with XFree86-4.0,=20 =D7 XFree86-aoutlibs-3.3.3, and windowmaker-0.61.1. Whenever i=20 =D7 try to startx, it fails with the following error message: =D7=20 =D7 Fatal server error: =D7 xf86OpenConsole: Server must be running with root permissions =D7 You should be using Xwrapper to start the server or xdm. =D7 We strongly advise against making the server SUID root! =D7=20 =D7 now, this is obviosly some sort of permissions error, as i=20 =D7 can startx with sudo and as root, but not as any other user=20 =D7 on my box. i've tried using Xwrapper, and xdm, but to no=20 =D7 avail. what am i doing wrong? thanx in advance for your help. =D7=20 =D7 also, a side note, what is the difference between=20 =D7 windowmaker-0.61.1 and windowmaker-i18n-0.61.1? what are the=20 =D7 i18n extensions? thanx again. =D7=20 =D7 -=3Df=3D-=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 15: 3: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sisna.com (mail.sisna.com [209.210.176.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DD2237BDE9; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jms235@sisna.com) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:00:40 -0600 Message-Id: <200004131600.AA1093599280@mail.sisna.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Jonathan Slivko" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" , Francisco Sanchez Subject: Re: silly error X-Mailer: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Did you try adding that user into the root/wheel group? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Francisco Sanchez Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:51:57 -0700 >=D7 hello, >=D7 i am still pretty new to the FreeBSD world, and the X world, >=D7 and, yes, also the WindowMaker world. if my question sounds >=D7 a little simplistic, please bear with me. anyway, i recently >=D7 installed FreeBSD 4.0, with XFree86-4.0, >=D7 XFree86-aoutlibs-3.3.3, and windowmaker-0.61.1. Whenever i >=D7 try to startx, it fails with the following error message: >=D7 >=D7 Fatal server error: >=D7 xf86OpenConsole: Server must be running with root permissions >=D7 You should be using Xwrapper to start the server or xdm. >=D7 We strongly advise against making the server SUID root! >=D7 >=D7 now, this is obviosly some sort of permissions error, as i >=D7 can startx with sudo and as root, but not as any other user >=D7 on my box. i've tried using Xwrapper, and xdm, but to no >=D7 avail. what am i doing wrong? thanx in advance for your help. >=D7 >=D7 also, a side note, what is the difference between >=D7 windowmaker-0.61.1 and windowmaker-i18n-0.61.1? what are the >=D7 i18n extensions? thanx again. >=D7 >=D7 -=3Df=3D- > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 15:22:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sf-mx1.Snap.COM (sf-mx1.snap.com [206.132.167.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB30F37B92C; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FranciscoS@nbci.com) Received: from exchange.snap.com (exchange.snap.com [10.100.1.19]) by sf-mx1.Snap.COM (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3DMLup17089; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by exchange.snap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2P0XNAFC>; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:17:30 -0700 Message-ID: <4BA40B5A514ED311B9A40008C7DFB0A101297824@exchange2.snap.com> From: Francisco Sanchez To: "'jms235@sisna.com'" , "'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'" , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" , Francisco Sanchez Subject: RE: silly error Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:20:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes, the user is invited to that group ::::::: NBCi ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: = =20 ::: ::: francisco j sanchez ::: Software Operations Engineer ::: v://415.375.5380 e://franciscos@nbci.com ::: -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Slivko [mailto:jms235@sisna.com] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:01 PM To: 'freebsd-questions@freebsd.org'; 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'; Francisco Sanchez Subject: Re: silly error Did you try adding that user into the root/wheel group? ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Francisco Sanchez Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:51:57 -0700 >=D7 hello, >=D7 i am still pretty new to the FreeBSD world, and the X world,=20 >=D7 and, yes, also the WindowMaker world. if my question sounds=20 >=D7 a little simplistic, please bear with me. anyway, i recently=20 >=D7 installed FreeBSD 4.0, with XFree86-4.0,=20 >=D7 XFree86-aoutlibs-3.3.3, and windowmaker-0.61.1. Whenever i=20 >=D7 try to startx, it fails with the following error message: >=D7=20 >=D7 Fatal server error: >=D7 xf86OpenConsole: Server must be running with root permissions >=D7 You should be using Xwrapper to start the server or xdm. >=D7 We strongly advise against making the server SUID root! >=D7=20 >=D7 now, this is obviosly some sort of permissions error, as i=20 >=D7 can startx with sudo and as root, but not as any other user=20 >=D7 on my box. i've tried using Xwrapper, and xdm, but to no=20 >=D7 avail. what am i doing wrong? thanx in advance for your help. >=D7=20 >=D7 also, a side note, what is the difference between=20 >=D7 windowmaker-0.61.1 and windowmaker-i18n-0.61.1? what are the=20 >=D7 i18n extensions? thanx again. >=D7=20 >=D7 -=3Df=3D-=20 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Apr 13 18:49: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAA137BE2A for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAABE9 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:49:41 -0700 Message-ID: <38F6788E.5A87AB3C@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:46:54 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Unstable Ports (a rant) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just how stable is 4.0? How stable is FreeBSD in general? I have no problems with the core stuff. I think it's number one. But the quality of the ports is annoying me. I'll keep FreeBSD around for portability development for my own applications, but it's hard to say whether it will be my primary OS. I don't have multiple systems. I have only one system and it will have to work whether or not I happen to have my hacker hat on at the moment. Stange as it may sound, there are times that I DO NOT want to hack the code to get something to work. After getting 4.0 set up to where I want it, I started getting to work on the stuff that concerns me the most, the user level applications. I was very disappointed. An OS without usable apps is not a usable OS. Maybe it would be a good idea to mark individual ports as "stable", "unstable" or "quirky". I have none of these problems with Linux using the exact same applications. Somehow I get the impression that a successful compile is all the port maintainers require. Specifics include: xmms segfaulting with extreme frequency. This wouldn't have been much of a problem if I could get another GUI mod player to work. But I couldn't. GTK pixmap themes require ImageMagick for image conversion, and further expect to see convert under the root directory and not under /usr/local/bin. Sound under KDE is very sporadic. This isn't the sound card, because when I do get sound, it works fine. The problem is that I don't always get sound. An extreme example of this is KPoker. Qt-1.45 was not compiled with gif support, which is not a problem in and of itself, but there are KDE applications that use gif. Try running KSame! In addition, Qt-1.45 is an inappropiate version to use. This was a minor bugfix release for the sole use of Corel. TrollTech does not recommend anyone else using it. I could go on, but I'll stop now. I'm certain that a lot of these problems can be attributed to "linuxisms" and linux-only developers. But that's not really an excuse. If there's something wrong with a port, let me know about it beforehand. It shouldn't be my job to figure out why kppp was hanging my system. My feeling is that the FreeBSD team spends very little time on the ports. It's almost as if they were tacked on at the last minute. This is all well and good if the system is only going to be a gateway or a development box. But it won't cut it if they want FreeBSD to be considered as a potential desktop OS. Or am I way off base in expecting FreeBSD to work for my desktop box? If you haven't noticed, *BSD is starting to get a lot of attention recently. Now is not the time to fall asleep at the wheel. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 14 1: 5:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tyo01.freecom.ne.jp (mail1.freecom.ne.jp [210.235.164.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7A9A37BE5E for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:05:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seet@mx3.freecom.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 28906 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2000 08:08:58 -0000 Received: from 1cust142.tnt1.osa1.da.uu.net (HELO smtp3.freecom.ne.jp) (63.12.70.142) by mail1.freecom.ne.jp with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 08:08:58 -0000 Message-ID: <200004141703.1136@seet.mx3.freecom.ne.jp> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:03:27 +0900 From: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJTUlaSVqITwlXiVzNmRCQE86JE5OIj1QRCUbKEI=?= To: seet@mx3.freecom.ne.jp Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCIXo/NzUsJSohPCVXJXM1LUcwIzMjMCVdJSQlcyVIGyhC?= =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCTDVOQSU1ITwlUyU5IXobKEI=?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Gen Mail 0.9b Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ◆◆◇ ＜サラリーマン銀太郎の裏出張・全国版＞ ◇◆◆ ◆ ◆ ◆◆◇ 新規オープン記念３０ポイント無料サービス ◇◆◆ 突然のメールをお許し下さい。 この度、全国各地に住んでいる女の子の部屋を２４時間リアルタイムに覗ける ” サラリーマン銀太郎の裏出張・全国版 ”という画期的な番組を ４月１３日にオープンする事になりました。 　　　　　　　　　　　　　 【我々はついにやりました】 全国各地に住んでいる女の子の部屋にカメラ設置する事に成功したのです 　　　　　　　　　　 ★ここが他とは決定的に違います！！ ↓　　　　　　↓　　　　　　↓ ┏━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┓ まず、あなた自身が番組内のサラリーマン銀太郎になりかわり、 あなた自身が主役となって全国各地に住んでいる個性的な女の子を覗きに 行くという全く新しいコンセプトで作られた、ユーザー主導型覗きサイトです。 ┗━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━┛ ■従来の覗きサイトとは全く異なった体験ができることでしょう。 新規オープンにつき、（出張経費として）今なら、ドカ〜ンと無料で ３０ポイント（３．０００円相当）をサービス中！！ さあ、今すぐ下記へ急ごう！！ http://www1.sphere.ne.jp/cube/salary3/ ---------------------------------------------------------- 誠に恐れ入りますが、このメールが必要のない方はすぐに削除して下さい。 興味の有る方、必要な方のみが御覧になって下さい。 ---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 14 4:18:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D288B37BE92 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 04:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 6294 invoked by alias); 14 Apr 2000 11:18:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 6283 invoked by uid 0); 14 Apr 2000 11:18:34 -0000 Received: from aedialup249.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.249) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 2000 11:18:34 -0000 Message-ID: <38F6FDC0.4872DEB5@uswest.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 05:15:12 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Modem won't dial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I just recently installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a NEC Versa 2400 laptop and can't get the modem to dial out. The modem is a Hayes Optima 288 V.34+Fax for PCMCIA. When I try to initiate a PPP session, it just comes back and says, "Unable to open /dev/cuaa1". Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 14 6:58:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A06237BE89 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 06:58:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12g6cF-0001CA-00; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:58:35 +0200 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:58:35 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unstable Ports (a rant) Message-ID: <20000414155835.A4420@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <38F6788E.5A87AB3C@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38F6788E.5A87AB3C@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 06:46:54PM -0700 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-04-13 (18:46), David Johnson wrote: > I have no problems with the core stuff. I think it's number one. But the > quality of the ports is annoying me. I'll keep FreeBSD around for > portability development for my own applications, but it's hard to say > whether it will be my primary OS. I don't have multiple systems. I have > only one system and it will have to work whether or not I happen to have > my hacker hat on at the moment. Stange as it may sound, there are times > that I DO NOT want to hack the code to get something to work. I have one system at home. It runs FreeBSD. I hate it when it doesn't work. I only hate it rarely. My SO uses FreeBSD to write and print Philosophy lecture courses. Not a single piece of software on that system isn't from ports. > I have none of these problems with Linux using the exact same > applications. Somehow I get the impression that a successful compile is > all the port maintainers require. I've always found that ports have been high quality. > I could go on, but I'll stop now. Have you submitted problem reports? Why keep it all to yourself, if you can unload and help the ports team make things better? If you have, I applaud you, and hope your problems have been fixed. If they haven't, rather complain about them one at a time. > I'm certain that a lot of these problems can be attributed to > "linuxisms" and linux-only developers. But that's not really an excuse. > If there's something wrong with a port, let me know about it beforehand. > It shouldn't be my job to figure out why kppp was hanging my system. If there's something wrong with a port, it's generally because people don't know about it. It's your job to tell us it isn't work. Telling us usually involves problem reports. > My feeling is that the FreeBSD team spends very little time on the > ports. I disagree. I'm sincerely impressed with how well it works. I've only done 5 or so ports, but some of them are insanely tricky, and probably aren't meant to be portable. The people who do ports seem tireless and under appreciated. It doesn't always work, but they don't attack you if you submit a problem report. Personally, three cheers to the porters! > It's almost as if they were tacked on at the last minute. That's hardly true. Almost everyone I've talked to have found ports possibly the singular thing that might convert them to FreeBSD. > This is all well and good if the system is only going to be a gateway > or a development box. But it won't cut it if they want FreeBSD to be > considered as a potential desktop OS. Or am I way off base in > expecting FreeBSD to work for my desktop box? I use FreeBSD as a desktop box. Many others do. It works about as well as a desktop as any other Unix system out there, give or take an extra advantage or disadvantage in some places. Of course, I'm hardly a recently-converted Windows user, but then it really isn't our core focus to introduce these people to FreeBSD and expecting them to immediately attain enlightenment without them going through a little self-education by reading the documentation and education through the mailing lists and other support structures. Basically, what I'm saying is - report bugs, and they'll be fixed. If you can fix a bug, report that you can fix it. Both contributions are highly appreciated. If you don't know how to report bugs, there's a section in the FreeBSD handbook. If that doesn't help, try questions@FreeBSD.org mailing list. If your bug reports are totally ignored, pester individual port maintainers and/or developers with polite, direct, unemotional, and to-the-point problems and fixes. Don't report bugs, and get pissed off, and convert to another operating system, and you're not helping anyone. It's a waste of time to suffer in silence with a massive team of people fighting each other to get to help you. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Alpha Geek, Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 14 8:12:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mailrelay.ywcn.or.id (ip51-globalinfo.indosat.net.id [202.155.5.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1854237B57F for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naim@mlg.globalinfo.net) Received: (qmail 48730 invoked by uid 502); 15 Apr 2000 15:07:21 -0000 Received: from pop.mlg.globalinfo.net (167.205.168.135) by 167.205.169.9 with SMTP; 15 Apr 2000 15:07:21 -0000 Received: from pop.mlg.globalinfo.net [167.205.168.135] by pop.mlg.globalinfo.net (SMTPD32-5.01) id A4294C053C; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:38:17 PDT From: "Muhammad Naim" Reply-To: "Muhammad Naim" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 100 20:38:17 PDT To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: helpme, please Message-Id: <200004142038.SM00060@pop.mlg.globalinfo.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Pablo Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:39:31 -0600 >What i have to do for an exellent configuration of my monitor resolution >in xf86config. > >Please helpme i cant found a perfect dirver in the database. > >send me one or various examples, please. > > >memory ram: 1MB >My main board is: Pentium Mainboard, PCI Bus and ISA Bus. >Monitor is: 14 color monitor, VESA VGA / XGA >VGA CARD is: FVGAP-SS (SIS 6202) PCI VGA card use generic type, but you can't setup your color more than 16 or 256. or d/l from site ... (I forgot it) some one has writen driver for that card . search with keyword "SIS6202 driver ". rgrds, -naim- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 14 11: 5:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9A037B8E8 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA468; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:05:59 -0700 Message-ID: <38F75D64.71D5F4B0@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:03:16 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Unstable Ports (a rant) References: <38F6788E.5A87AB3C@acuson.com> <20000414155835.A4420@mithrandr.moria.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > Have you submitted problem reports? Why keep it all to yourself, if you > can unload and help the ports team make things better? Yes, I have submitted bugs. > That's hardly true. Almost everyone I've talked to have found ports > possibly the singular thing that might convert them to FreeBSD. I love the whole ports mechanism. It beats everything else out there. And quite a few of the ports are simply superb. But I've run across too many ports that seem unfinished. One did not even *execute* on my system, leading me to believe that the maintainer did not even do a minimal acceptance test. > Don't report bugs, and get pissed off, and convert to another operating > system, and you're not helping anyone. It's a waste of time to suffer > in silence with a massive team of people fighting each other to get to > help you. I'm not pissed off. Just frustrated. That why I announced in the subject line that this was a rant. I just needed to blow off steam after a day of trying to get stuff to work. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Apr 14 19:30:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B1BC37B5A5 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:30:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA65401 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:30:09 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200004150230.MAA65401@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Apr 15 13: 1:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8201B37B757 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:01:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p46.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.46]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA38288; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 22:00:32 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA00507; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:18:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:18:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Unstable Ports (a rant) In-Reply-To: <38F6788E.5A87AB3C@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A GUI mod player ? KDE games ? Maybe not so many people need this. Have you tried the packages ? > with extreme frequency. This wouldn't have been much of a problem if I > could get another GUI mod player to work. But I couldn't. GTK pixmap I was surprised how many things work out of the box. But I dont use KDE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message