From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 14 1: 6:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9FED37B52B for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:06:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA13355 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:05:44 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdN13353; Sun May 14 18:05:40 2000 Message-ID: <00c001bfbd7b$9f6f93e0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: Subject: the "Pedantic FreeBSD" finally online !!!!! Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:08:41 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ever since I started messing with FreeBSD I've been searching for newbie-friendly documentation written by someone other than an extremely experienced expert . The only things remotely near the level I wanted were the quite good but dated "Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD" and the "Pedantic PPP", which was certainly a lot more explicit than anything else, but didn't help sufficiently to get ppp working. When I eventually got to the stage where I could understand enough to do an installation & get user-ppp /apache / sendmail / caching DNS / etc working , I figured I should produce my own version of a newbie tutorial, so hopefully those who experience the same problems as I did in comprehending the "official" documentation might have somewhere else to turn.Well its finally online in html form :) http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ I'd appreciate any constructive criticism, particularly from newbies ..... hopefully I haven't left out too many of those "trivial but critical steps"..... something I've criticized document writers generally (not only the FreeBSD ones either) for doing countless times. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 14 3:33:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (brisba6.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.66.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4426B37B777 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14559 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:33:02 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdM14539; Sun May 14 20:32:52 2000 Message-ID: <002501bfbd90$311986c0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: Subject: Fw: the "Pedantic FreeBSD" finally online !!!!! Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:35:56 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd like to thank those who have provided feedback on the Pedantic FreeBSD since it was put online this morning ..... I did attempt to get as many bugs out as possible before publication but that doesn't mean there aren't a heap still there :) I m aware that the jpg's are far too big and at least some pages have too pics, hopefully there will be time to fix at least some of them in the forthcoming week. Other stuff in progress at present includes domain registration & setup, more on DNS, some slightly more involved ppp (multiple ISP accounts, kernel ppp, dialin server etc) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 14 15: 9: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E4E37B5AB for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:08:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomg@mailhost.nrnet.org) Received: from mailhost.nrnet.org (mailhost.nrnet.org [166.84.192.39]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA75830FEA; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tomg@localhost) by mailhost.nrnet.org (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA26864; Sun, 14 May 2000 17:36:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:36:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the "Pedantic FreeBSD" finally online !!!!! In-Reply-To: <00c001bfbd7b$9f6f93e0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 14 May 2000, Doug Young wrote: > Ever since I started messing with FreeBSD I've been searching for > newbie-friendly documentation written by someone other than an extremely > experienced expert . > The only things remotely near the level I wanted were the quite good but > dated "Comprehensive Guide to FreeBSD" and the "Pedantic PPP", which was > certainly a lot more explicit than anything else, but didn't help > sufficiently to get ppp working. Bless you mate - I am struggling with getting sendmail and ppp to cooperate w/ one another, and uucp. Glad to have another resource! Thanks much, Tom > When I eventually got to the stage where I could understand enough to do an > installation & get user-ppp /apache / sendmail / caching DNS / etc working , > I figured I should produce my own version of a newbie tutorial, so hopefully > those who experience the same problems as I did in comprehending the > "official" documentation might have somewhere else to turn.Well its finally > online in html form :) http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ > > I'd appreciate any constructive criticism, particularly from newbies ..... > hopefully I haven't left out too many of those "trivial but critical > steps"..... something I've criticized document writers generally (not only > the FreeBSD ones either) for doing countless times. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ------- North Richmond Community Mental Health Center ------- Thomas Good MIS Coordinator Vital Signs: tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org Phone: 718-354-5528 Fax: 718-354-5056 /* Member: Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun May 14 17:28:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ic.net (ic.net [152.160.8.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF1FD37B506 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 17:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bart@ic.net) Received: (qmail 16366 invoked from network); 15 May 2000 00:28:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO STEVENS) (206.84.206.97) by unknown with SMTP; 15 May 2000 00:28:23 -0000 Message-ID: <000001bfbdfc$c2ed40c0$61ce54ce@STEVEN> From: "Bart" To: Subject: Hello I am a new FreeBSD user Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 11:14:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello my name is Gordon Bartrem. I wrote to you some time ago asking about Free BSD and how it might work for desktop workstaion. At the time I was not too sure of myself and installing anything BSD or Linux oriented so I never did persue the subject any farther. Well I had been bitten by the "Need to Know More Bug" and I bought myself a subscription to the "Linux Journal Magazine". I just used it as a dream book for about a year and still had not installed any type of Linux distrabution To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 15 1:49:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.malawi.net (mail.malawi.net [208.148.169.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77AF537B506 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:49:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hnkhoma@malawi.net) Received: from two (two.malawi.net [208.148.169.2]) by mail.malawi.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e4FAnUX04122 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:49:52 +0200 (CAT) Message-ID: <00db01bfbe4a$62efc000$02a994d0@malawi.net> From: "Herbert Nkhoma" To: Subject: Installation Problems Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:48:25 +0200 Organization: MalawiNet Limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D4_01BFBE5B.18F983D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01BFBE5B.18F983D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, I am trying to load FreeBSD 4.0 Release on a Compaq Proliant Server = which is running on Disk Array. I have three 4.3GB Wide-Ultra SCSI hard = disks. When setup finishes coping of files and it starts remaking all = devices I get the error "MAKEDEV returned a non-zero status" Can someone = please explain what this means? Previously the server had Windows NT = running on it. Herbert Nkhoma ------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01BFBE5B.18F983D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone,
 
I am trying to load FreeBSD 4.0 Release on a = Compaq=20 Proliant Server which is running on Disk Array. I have three 4.3GB = Wide-Ultra=20 SCSI hard disks. When setup finishes coping of files and it starts = remaking all=20 devices I get the error "MAKEDEV returned a non-zero status" Can someone = please=20 explain what this means? Previously the server had Windows NT running on = it.
 
Herbert Nkhoma
------=_NextPart_000_00D4_01BFBE5B.18F983D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 15 8:25:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC9537B7F6 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:25:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bl29x5@earthlink.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain (dialup-63.208.85.54.Stamford1.Level3.net [63.208.85.54]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA11051 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Boto To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Users Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:21:10 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00051511223900.01208@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As root, is there a method to log out another user (local or remote) other than killing the process of their shell? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon May 15 14: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3015A37B550 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from eidiko4 (ppp3.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.18]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA08315; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:03:24 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <001b01bfbeb1$15e548e0$12c536d4@eidiko4> From: "Giorgos Keramidas" To: "Bart" , References: <000001bfbdfc$c2ed40c0$61ce54ce@STEVEN> Subject: Re: Hello I am a new FreeBSD user Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 00:01:49 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello my name is Gordon Bartrem. I wrote to you some time ago asking about > Free BSD and how it might work for desktop workstaion. At the time I was not > too sure of myself and installing anything BSD or Linux oriented so I never > did persue the subject any farther. Well I had been bitten by the "Need to > Know More Bug" and I bought myself a subscription to the "Linux Journal > Magazine". I just used it as a dream book for about a year and still had not > installed any type of Linux distrabution Forgive my ignorance, but I don't see a question here, is that right? I'm glad that you want to know more about FreeBSD Gordon, and it is almost certain that a lot of other people will be there to help you too with any newbie-type problems you are bound to have like all of us while taking your first steps in the BSD world. Welcome aboard, Giorgos Keramidas. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 16 5:34:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2623F37B77B for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 05:34:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11671; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:32:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00db01bfbe4a$62efc000$02a994d0@malawi.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:32:45 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Herbert Nkhoma Subject: RE: Installation Problems Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15-May-00 Herbert Nkhoma wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am trying to load FreeBSD 4.0 Release on a Compaq Proliant Server which is > running on Disk Array. I have three 4.3GB Wide-Ultra SCSI hard disks. When > setup finishes coping of files and it starts remaking all devices I get the > error "MAKEDEV returned a non-zero status" Can someone please explain what > this means? Previously the server had Windows NT running on it. > > Herbert Nkhoma Try switching to another virtual terminal (ALT-F2, etc.) during the install and see exactly what error message is being generated. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 16 5:35:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C0E37B77B for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 05:35:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11680; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:35:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000510.16461600@mis.configured.host> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: "Steven D. Meacham" Subject: RE: Question re:dual processors Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-May-00 Steven D. Meacham wrote: > Hi > I need to know if there is special configuration required to support > dual processors in FreeBSD. I'm installing 4.0-Release according to > the install|options screens. The box has an Intel PR440FX mainboard > with dual pentium pro 180Mhz processors. Linux requires a kernal > rebuild to turn on support. > Also, if someone can advise me, I have another minor question. I've > noticed the FreeBSD KDE is not nearly as graphically clear and refined > as the KDE on Linux-Mandrake 7.0. By this, I mean that the graphics > are blockier, grainer and just look unprofessional. Is this something > that I did wrong in my setup, or what? > Thanks for your help... > Steven Meacham You'll find all fo the relevant kernel options in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT. If this is your first custom kernel build, copy the GENERIC config file (rename to something else, such as "MYKERNEL"), and go from there. Good luck! -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 16 5:37:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74B637B570 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 05:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA11683; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:37:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005020352.XAA27109@falcon.goamerica.net> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:37:15 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Matt Anderson Subject: RE: Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-May-00 Matt Anderson wrote: > Hello everyone, > I've got linux experience but I have not touched a BSD based Unix in years. > I have an HP Deskjet 812c. > What is the best way to set it up? Try installing the "apsfilter" (all-purpose filter) from /usr/ports/print/apsfilter. -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 16 11:34: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from comet.connix.com (comet.connix.com [198.69.10.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C0237B62B for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lemery@syninc.com) Received: from exchange.syninc.com (mail.syninc.com [209.66.150.229]) by comet.connix.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA26188 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from test2 (128.0.0.199 [128.0.0.199]) by exchange.syninc.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id LBY8TG2F; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:33:36 -0400 From: "len" To: Subject: New user may need help Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 02:29:58 -0400 Message-ID: <01bfbfc9$52de5f20$c7000080@test2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ny help would be great. I'm a SCO user and want to expand. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 16 20: 3: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696D837B68A for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:02:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00802; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:02:43 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00c001bfbd7b$9f6f93e0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 22:02:43 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Doug Young Subject: RE: the "Pedantic FreeBSD" finally online !!!!! Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, just from a quick virst viewing, I'd say "very nice!". The screenshots are an especially nice touch. Great for newbies to actually be able to see what the install looks like, even before running it themselves. I'll try to go over it more thoroughly later and will let you know if it looks like anything crucial's missing. :-) Good work! -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue May 16 21:28:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E7837B952 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA58619; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39221FFC.FDF71BDB@gorean.org> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:28:44 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0508 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Boto Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Users References: <00051511223900.01208@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Boto wrote: > > As root, is there a method to log out another user (local or remote) other than > killing the process of their shell? That depends. If you have snp devices compiled into your kernel you can use watch to do it. Why would you not want to just kill their shell? Doug -- "Live free or die" - State motto of my ancestral homeland, New Hampshire Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 2:55:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from correo.chiapas.com (correo.chiapas.com [200.36.13.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B838C37B51F for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 02:55:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from citassias@chiapas.net) Received: from oemcomputer (linea2.tuxtla.podernet.com.mx [200.36.13.32]) by correo.chiapas.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA03613 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:00:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bfbff7$eda1e260$200d24c8@oemcomputer> From: "Ma. Estela Hernandez Moreno" To: Subject: como realizar procesos en freebsd Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 05:03:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBFBD.3DEC8C60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBFBD.3DEC8C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Primeramente quiero saludarlos y decirles que me ha parecido interesante = este sistema en realidad soy principiante, y me gustar=EDa saber se en = este sistema (freebsd) se pueden hacer procesos es decir: que m=E1s un = proceso esten en lo estados de ejecuci=F3n, bloqueo y listo,y si no es = mucha molestia tambien me gustaria me enviaran un peque=F1o programa de = prueba aunque sea solo con dos procesos. Por su atenci=F3n gracias, espero respuesta muy pronto. Atte. Srita.Citlalli Mar=EDa Tass=EDas Hern=E1ndez ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBFBD.3DEC8C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Primeramente quiero saludarlos y = decirles que me=20 ha parecido interesante este sistema en realidad soy principiante, y me = gustar=EDa=20 saber se en este sistema (freebsd) se pueden hacer procesos es decir: = que=20 m=E1s un proceso esten en lo estados de ejecuci=F3n, bloqueo y = listo,y si no es=20 mucha molestia tambien me gustaria me enviaran un peque=F1o = programa de=20 prueba aunque sea solo con dos procesos.
 
Por su atenci=F3n gracias,=20 espero respuesta  muy=20 pronto.
Atte. Srita.Citlalli Mar=EDa Tass=EDas = Hern=E1ndez
 
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFBFBD.3DEC8C60-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 7: 8:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnsp1.sce.com (dnsp1.sce.com [155.13.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC6B37B520 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:08:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ryan.Gamo@sce.com) Received: from D058661.sce.com (D058661.sce.com [155.13.167.39]) by dnsp1.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/5.5.5) with ESMTP id HAA23204 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:08:10 -0700 From: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com Received: from go2ntswpr01.sce.com (D068976.sce.com [155.13.76.17]) by D058661.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id HAA21218 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:08:10 -0700 Received: from go2ntdomc01.sce.com (unverified) by go2ntswpr01.sce.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:07:58 -0700 Subject: Changing the prompt To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:07:56 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GO2NTDOMC01/SVR/SCE/EIX(Release 5.0.1a (Intl)|17 August 1999) at 05/17/2000 07:07:58 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I set the prompts permanently (NOT set PROMPT=""). I mean, what file is it? I can pretty much take it from there.... Thanks in advance Ryan M. Gamo IT Application Services - TDBU Phone: (626)308-6696 * Fax: (626)308-6390 Pager: (888)586-7992 PIN 318489 "KNOW YOUR ROLE" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 7:10:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (hydrant.intranova.net [209.201.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0963937BC5C for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 07:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrant.intranova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461C2E10BC; Wed, 17 May 2000 10:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:10:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Changing the prompt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Take a look at 'PS1' in /etc/profile. On Wed, 17 May 2000 Ryan.Gamo@sce.com wrote: > How do I set the prompts permanently (NOT set PROMPT=""). I mean, what file > is it? I can pretty much take it from there.... > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Ryan M. Gamo > IT Application Services - TDBU > Phone: (626)308-6696 * Fax: (626)308-6390 > Pager: (888)586-7992 PIN 318489 > "KNOW YOUR ROLE" > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 8:41:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br [143.106.51.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6402937BC4E for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from atabraga@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br) Received: by bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 61CCE18C9; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:41:20 -0300 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14626.48543.670603.848609@bico-de-lacre.iqm.unicamp.br> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:41:19 -0300 (EST) From: Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga To: philip@adhesivemedia.com (Philip Hallstrom) Cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: better than pine? In-Reply-To: <200005171530.IAA35126@illiad.adhesivemedia.com> References: <200005171530.IAA35126@illiad.adhesivemedia.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br X-URL: http://www.iqm.unicamp.br Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Look for VM whith emacs. Any problem I can send you the configurations files. Ata. -- Ataualpa Albert Carmo Braga atabraga@iqm.unicamp.br http://www.iqm.unicamp.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 16:26:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from unix2.noc.lga2.gctr.net (unix2.noc.lga2.gctr.net [206.41.24.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B58837BB35 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:26:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from borisb@globalcenter.net) Received: from globalcenter.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unix2.noc.lga2.gctr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA02113 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:26:20 GMT (envelope-from borisb@globalcenter.net) Message-ID: <3922F25C.E4A8B957@globalcenter.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:26:20 +0000 From: borisb Reply-To: borisb@globalcenter.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: what means gz extension in the file name Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 16:27:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (hydrant.intranova.net [209.201.95.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DBE237BBD6 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:27:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hydrant.intranova.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5004AE10BC; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:28:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Omachonu Ogali To: borisb Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: what means gz extension in the file name In-Reply-To: <3922F25C.E4A8B957@globalcenter.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org .gz stands for GNU Zip, another form of compression commonly known as gzip, it can be decompresses using gzip/gunzip. -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Omachonu Ogali oogali@intranova.net | | Intranova Networking Group http://tribune.intranova.net | | PGP Key ID: 0xBFE60839 | | PGP Fingerprint: C8 51 14 FD 2A 87 53 D1 E3 AA 12 12 01 93 BD 34 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 17: 1:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29E837B9EC for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bl29x5@earthlink.net) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-63.208.85.49.Stamford1.Level3.net [63.208.85.49]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20692 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005d01bfc05b$d60b87a0$3155d03f@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Mike Boto" From: "Mike Boto" To: Subject: Partition size Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:58:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFC03A.4DCD4E80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFC03A.4DCD4E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently replaced my 4.0 GB hard drive with a 15.3 GB one, and when = putting FreeBSD on it, found that I could only access roughly 2GB of the = entire disk. Now I had read about how this was a problem in various DOS = formats, as well as Win95A, but I didn't consider it a factor when using = the entire disk for a BSD install. Out of curiosity, I tried installing = Win98 (the only other operating system discs I had on hand) to see if it = was a hardware issue, but it recognized the entire drive with no = problems. I've been looking for a solution to this for an hour or so, = and I was hoping someone here could assist me on how to utilize the = entire drive. ------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFC03A.4DCD4E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently replaced my 4.0 GB hard = drive with=20 a 15.3 GB one, and when putting FreeBSD on it, found that I could = only=20 access roughly 2GB of the entire disk.  Now I had read about how = this was a=20 problem in various DOS formats, as well as Win95A, but I didn't consider = it a=20 factor when using the entire disk for a BSD install.  Out of = curiosity, I=20 tried installing Win98 (the only other operating system discs I had = on=20 hand) to see if it was a hardware issue, but it recognized the entire = drive with=20 no problems.  I've been looking for a solution to this for an hour = or so,=20 and I was hoping someone here could assist me on how to utilize the = entire=20 drive.
------=_NextPart_000_005A_01BFC03A.4DCD4E80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed May 17 18:57:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C726B37BD09 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 18:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA00650; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:57:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d28.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d28.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.136]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA09865; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:54:47 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Mike Boto Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Partition size In-Reply-To: <005d01bfc05b$d60b87a0$3155d03f@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I recently replaced my 4.0 GB hard drive with a 15.3 GB one, and when putting FreeBSD on it, found that I could only access roughly 2GB of the entire disk. You should probably take this one to freebsd-questions. The answer should be interesting as FBSD _should_ see the entire disk. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 18 10:51:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnsp1.sce.com (dnsp1.sce.com [155.13.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C38637B967 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ryan.Gamo@sce.com) Received: from D058661.sce.com (D058661.sce.com [155.13.167.39]) by dnsp1.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA04116 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:44 -0700 From: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com Received: from go2ntswpr01.sce.com (D068976.sce.com [155.13.76.17]) by D058661.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id KAA37230 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:44 -0700 Received: from go2ntdomc01.sce.com (unverified) by go2ntswpr01.sce.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:41 -0700 Subject: renaming batch To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:51:42 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GO2NTDOMC01/SVR/SCE/EIX(Release 5.0.1a (Intl)|17 August 1999) at 05/18/2000 10:51:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I want to rename a bunch of files in a directory. I want them to retain their current name but put a .txt at the end for ID purposes. How would I go about doing this? mv ./* ./*.txt ???? doesn't work thanks Ryan M. Gamo IT Application Services - TDBU Phone: (626)308-6696 * Fax: (626)308-6390 Pager: (888)586-7992 PIN 318489 "KNOW YOUR ROLE" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 18 15: 5:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B3F37B549 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:05:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p189.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.189]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA53506; Fri, 19 May 2000 00:04:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA05884; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:06:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:06:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fw: the "Pedantic FreeBSD" finally online !!!!! In-Reply-To: <002501bfbd90$311986c0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I m aware that the jpg's are far too big and at least some pages have too > pics, hopefully there will be time to fix at least some of them in the > forthcoming week. Thanks !! Yep, the jpegs.... and mtools.tgz in /usr/bin ;-) > Other stuff in progress at present includes domain registration & setup, > more on DNS, some slightly more involved ppp (multiple ISP accounts, kernel > ppp, dialin server etc) Go on !! Maybe some links to the handbook parts could be usefull too. Sometimes, it is most usefull to read different people on the same subject. Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 18 17:43:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web219.mail.yahoo.com (web219.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03F6037BF1F for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmdupx@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 23608 invoked by uid 60001); 19 May 2000 00:43:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20000519004352.23607.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.92.198.78] by web219.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:43:52 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Jean-Mark Dupoux Subject: remote-access To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org am just starting out setting up a system with freebsd, and i was wondering about ports/apps for remote-access. i did a quick search on the w.fb.org search page, but this turned up much more results than i expected, so does anyone have recommendation of package / setup they have actually used and liked for remote-access over www or network ? any input much appreciated __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu May 18 21: 4:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx3.its-sby.edu (cache2.its-sby.edu [202.154.63.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D9037BA2A for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 21:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rio@inf.its-sby.edu) Received: from tcmail.its-sby.edu (tcmail.its-sby.edu [202.154.63.6]) by mx3.its-sby.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C0B97177 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:32:05 +0700 (JAVT) Received: from komputing05 ([10.126.12.104]) by tcmail.its-sby.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA07314 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:37:30 +0700 Message-ID: <000e01bfc142$72ef7040$680c7e0a@itssby.edu> From: "Fitrio Pakana" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:29:32 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFC17D.1F35DE40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFC17D.1F35DE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe freebsd-newbies ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFC17D.1F35DE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFC17D.1F35DE40-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 5:47:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f178.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C62B37B588 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 05:47:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dankilling@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 85497 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 2000 12:47:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000519124739.85496.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 193.221.76.5 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 19 May 2000 05:47:39 PDT X-Originating-IP: [193.221.76.5] From: "Daniel Killingsworth" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: KDE setup? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:47:39 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have successfully installed FreeBSD and the Xwindow system, and in theinterest of simplicity, I did not install any desktop 'enhamcements' during the initial install. I would like to go to a more 'appealing' desktop like KDE or Gnome, but I do not know how to install and configure them. I have the complete CD set, dated March 2000. Thanks, Dan ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 6: 4:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sintec.sintec.ro (sintec.sintec.ro [193.226.125.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D160B37BCFC for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 05:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (b_telemach.sintec.ro [193.226.125.34]) by sintec.sintec.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17549; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:05:32 +0300 Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:53:52 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: "'Daniel Killingsworth'" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: KDE setup? Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:53:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As root, go to /stand/sysinstall, where you can add/remove packages, and other things. stefan . -----Original Message----- . From: Daniel Killingsworth [mailto:dankilling@hotmail.com] . Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 3:48 PM . To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org . Subject: KDE setup? . . . I have successfully installed FreeBSD and the Xwindow system, and in . theinterest of simplicity, I did not install any desktop . 'enhamcements' . during the initial install. I would like to go to a more . 'appealing' desktop . like KDE or Gnome, but I do not know how to install and . configure them. I . have the complete CD set, dated March 2000. . . Thanks, . Dan . ______________________________________________________________ . __________ . Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 6:34:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com [24.6.21.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DCC37BA81 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:34:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com) Received: (from conrads@localhost) by cx344940-a.meta1.la.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA43007; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:34:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:34:40 -0500 (CDT) Organization: @Home Network From: Conrad Sabatier To: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com Subject: RE: renaming batch Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-May-00 Ryan.Gamo@sce.com wrote: > I want to rename a bunch of files in a directory. I want them to retain > their current name but put a .txt at the end for ID purposes. How would I > go about doing this? > > mv ./* ./*.txt ???? doesn't work for f in * do mv $f $f.txt done -- Conrad Sabatier http://members.home.net/conrads/ ICQ# 1147270 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 7: 5: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dnsp1.sce.com (dnsp1.sce.com [155.13.48.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9502337BDB4 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:05:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ryan.Gamo@sce.com) Received: from D058661.sce.com (D058661.sce.com [155.13.167.39]) by dnsp1.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/5.5.5) with ESMTP id HAA19876 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:05:01 -0700 From: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com Received: from go2ntswpr01.sce.com (D068976.sce.com [155.13.76.17]) by D058661.sce.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28690 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:05:01 -0700 Received: from go2ntdomc01.sce.com (unverified) by go2ntswpr01.sce.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 07:04:59 -0700 Subject: RE: renaming batch To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.2a (Intl) 23 November 1999 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:04:59 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on GO2NTDOMC01/SVR/SCE/EIX(Release 5.0.1a (Intl)|17 August 1999) at 05/19/2000 07:04:59 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought this was the most creative script, and the one I eventually used... ls | xargs -i cp {} {}.txt Ryan M. Gamo IT Application Services - TDBU Phone: (626)308-6696 * Fax: (626)308-6390 Pager: (888)586-7992 PIN 318489 "KNOW YOUR ROLE" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 10:51:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72A437BE09 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-228-178.s432.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.228.178] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12sqw1-0007DO-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:51:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfc1bb$0621d970$b2e47ad1@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: Subject: partitions Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:52:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Trying to get an understanding of how i should partition the hard disk before I attemp my first install of FreeBSD 4.0. I will install only FeeBSD on a 6gb hd. I will remove all existing partitions on the disk - it will be totally "cleaned-out". I assume freebsd will setup its own native file system (vs. fat16) durring the installtion. (good) But what about the partition ( SLICES) scheme? - - # of partions needed, - size of each partition what do i do? traditionally i read a: is the system's root files, b: is the swap area, c: refers to the whole disk. to complicate i read a recomendation: to "create" 5 partitions for /, swap, /var, /temp, /usr - what's this about? I a newbie so while you're at it: what's the /var, /temp dirs for? what's the rational behind this scheme- what do you recommend? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 10:56:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F390B37BE09 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 10:56:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p114.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.114]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA42422; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:55:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id QAA01972; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:21:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:21:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Conrad Sabatier Cc: Ryan.Gamo@sce.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: renaming batch/3d.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > for f in * > do > mv $f $f.txt > done Thats something I need for the netpbm programms ;-) Wildcards in Dos....and alchemy...... Btw, this "blender" of www.neogeo.nl is a MUST, if you want to do 3d things, VRML and beyond. I use it in combination with mpeg_encode H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 11:55:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115CA37C07E for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:54:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-228-178.s432.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.228.178] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12srvF-00016t-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:54:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bfc1c3$dc854c10$b2e47ad1@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: References: <000501bfc1bb$0621d970$b2e47ad1@leegold1> Subject: Re: partitions Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:55:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How'bout this? there's a very clear install doc: http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/solution/bsdunix/freebsdwin95_xwindows_cdrom.html there author cites: (Platon must be an intensive app. they use) "Generally, to be able to compile up things like Platon; have space for applications and data, the following was found to be good. 40 meg for / ~200 meg for SWAP 100 meg for /var 100 meg for /tmp 1000 meg for /usr 1000 meg for /home" how does this sound?? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Trying to get an understanding of how i should partition the hard disk > before I attemp my first > install of FreeBSD 4.0. I will install only FeeBSD on a 6gb hd. I will > remove all existing > partitions on the disk - it will be totally "cleaned-out". > > I assume freebsd will setup its own native file system (vs. fat16) durring > the installtion. (good) > > But what about the partition ( SLICES) scheme? - > - # of partions needed, > - size of each partition > what do i do? traditionally i read > a: is the system's root files, > b: is the swap area, > c: refers to the whole disk. > > to complicate i read a recomendation: > to "create" 5 partitions for /, swap, /var, /temp, /usr - what's this about? > I a newbie so while you're at it: what's the /var, /temp dirs for? what's > the rational behind this scheme- > > what do you recommend? > > Thanks > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 12:34:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A3237BB90 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.156]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4C9B; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:35:40 -0700 Message-ID: <39259777.261A9316@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:35:19 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: partitions References: <000501bfc1bb$0621d970$b2e47ad1@leegold1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > But what about the partition ( SLICES) scheme? - > - # of partions needed, > - size of each partition It is easiest to let freebsd do it for you. After creating a partition, the installation moves on to the "naming and slicing" screen. If you choose the bsd partition, then type "a", it will automatically create slices for you. IIRC, this will be 20M for /, 2xMem for swap, 50M for /var and the rest for /usr. Remember that the automatic slicing is not an all or nothing affair. You can manually create a 100M slice for /, then have the installation automatically create the rest. Or automatically create the defaults, delete the last (/usr) slice, add in another slice of your choosing (/usr/local), then automatically recreate /usr in the remainder. It's quite flexible. -- David Johnson... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 13: 2:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCD137BF30 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:02:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-228-178.s432.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.228.178] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ssyg-0000a7-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:02:34 -0400 Message-ID: <002201bfc1cd$4e640f20$b2e47ad1@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: Subject: couple'a'questions Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:03:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1.are the 3dfx Voodoo cards supported by FreeBSD? or should the question be: supported by x-window (xfree86)? bottom line would a voodoo2000 card work? - could not find mention of it in any lists. 2a. please explain the differences between (the different roles played by): xfree86 gnome enlightenment I know there are many other equivalent software components that would serve the same pupose (eg kde vs. gnome). But i gather each of the three components play a role in windows presentation on a FreeBDS system - what are they? i intend to install xfree86 durring the install - should/can i install the two other components as well? 3.i'm installing from a cd-r. i am installing FreeBSD in a pc, that has a (supported) ethernet card in it and it's connected to an ethernet hub hooked up to some nt workstation machines. Will there be any impact w/being on an ethernet during my freebsd install ? What I'm asking is: I want to defer networking set-up and associate configs. to another time - later. Cause i got enough of a learning curve right now w/the install.. - so, will the network connection be moot, durring the install ( not the nic card, i expect FreeBSD to sense the NIC - but the network itself). Don't worry if you don't see what I'm trying to ask - no sure i do either. this mail-list is blessing Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 13:21:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FAE137B87E for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:21:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.156]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA64C6; Fri, 19 May 2000 13:22:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3925A283.D0FC67E3@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 13:22:27 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: couple'a'questions References: <002201bfc1cd$4e640f20$b2e47ad1@leegold1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > 2a. please explain the differences between (the different roles played by): > xfree86 > gnome > enlightenment XFree86 is a graphical "engine" for Unix. In Windoze terms, it is roughly equivalent to the win32 api. Enlightenment is a window manager. It controls all the other windows on the screen, how they are drawn, where they are placed, etc. Under Windoze, the old progman.exe is equivalent. Gnome, KDE, XFCE and CDE are "desktop environments". They are additional tools, applications and API's on top of the window manager that give additional functionality, feel and ease-of-use. Again, under Windoze, this is roughly equivalent to the taskbar, explorer and MFC, all rolled up into one. A better comparison can be made with OS/2, which didn't try to blend all the functionality together into one homogenous mess. X is equivalent to the graphical API's, window managers are equivalent to the Presentation Manager, and Gnome is equivalent to the Workplace shell. Window managers I would heartily recommend you experiment with under FreeBSD are WindowMaker and ICE. Enlightenment is a fantastic window manager, but my personal experience with it under FreeBSD was that it was unstable. It would be better to use Sawmill with Gnome. And as for desktops, I still prefer KDE over Gnome. Under FreeBSD, Gnome continually crashed on me. But it's a snap installing and uninstalling packages with FreeBSD, so try them all out! -- David Johnson... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 18:57:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hamal.freemail.ne.jp (hamal.freemail.ne.jp [210.235.164.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE5DE37BA92 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 2dmaster@2d.artist.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 16816 invoked by alias); 20 May 2000 06:50:44 +0900 Received: (qmail 11643 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 04:17:44 +0900 Received: from p0a20cc.tokyjk16.ap.so-net.ne.jp (HELO 304) (211.10.32.204) by hamal.freemail.ne.jp with SMTP; 20 May 2000 04:17:44 +0900 Message-ID: <024d01bfc1c6$e98731a0$cc00a8c0@mangaokoku.co.jp> From: "=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCQHA2ZjNaSXQbKEI=?=" <2dmaster@2d.artist.ne.jp> To: Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPXdNJTFnPXUlNSE8JS8layEmJTIlOSVIMnEbKEI=?= Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 04:07:11 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 6月18日（日）12時〜18時・熱海 　トップスター多数参加 説明と個別接待あり 希望者は題「参加検討詳細希望」、本文に年齢を記し 2dmaster@info66.com まで。iモード等で字数制限のある人はその旨も。相互秘密絶対厳守 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 19:31:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85F537B72F for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA81584 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:30:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 12:30:48 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200005200230.MAA81584@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri May 19 22:36:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB1D37B950 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 22:36:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zackrat@att.net) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.78.150.126]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000520053648.XZFW2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@localhost.localdomain> for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:36:48 +0000 From: zack r. To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Sound blaster live Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 01:31:21 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00052001342400.00827@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i know there have been problems geting it to work, but i have heard about people using those on their freebsd systems. could anyone post some directions, or maybe a link with the instructions, how to set it up? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 0:28:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA27C37B56C for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rd64pro@pacbell.net) Received: from ryan.pacbell.net ([207.212.134.233]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FUU00ML0KQMT5@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 May 2000 00:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 00:07:15 -0700 From: Ryan Subject: Re: Sound blaster live In-reply-to: <00052001342400.00827@localhost.localdomain> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: rd64pro@pacbell.net Message-id: <00052000164602.00351@ryan.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit References: <00052001342400.00827@localhost.localdomain> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As a matter of fact, I just got mine to work 2 (long) nights ago, courtesy of this page here: http://wcug.wwu.edu/~cjohnson/sblive4.txt One problem I ran into, however, was tracking down both of the files mentioned in the writing (you'll know when you get there). Just do an FTP search for the file you can't find. After downloading the second file from an alternate location, I ran into a small problem when recompiling. One of the first statements in the header file referenced an incorrect path to it's dependant file. This is easily cured by verifying the paths to the files. Just open it up in a text editor and make sure it's where it says it is. I hope I haven't confused you with my garbled approach to explanation. Any further questions, I will do what I can. Ryan On Fri, 19 May 2000, you wrote: > i know there have been problems geting it to work, but i have heard about > people using those on their freebsd systems. could anyone post some directions, > or maybe a link with the instructions, how to set it up? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- ################################ Ryan Dirmeyer http://207.212.134.233/~rd64pro ################################ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 1:37: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from basil.ocn.ne.jp (basil.ocn.ne.jp [210.232.239.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360A537B677 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 01:36:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from y-free@basil.ocn.ne.jp) Received: from oemcomputer (p24-dna12kyoto.kyoto.ocn.ne.jp [203.140.124.24]) by basil.ocn.ne.jp (8.9.1a/OCN/) with ESMTP id RAA21144 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:36:52 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <1704.958812003550@basil.ocn.ne.jp> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:03 +0900 (JST) From: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCI08jZiNmI2kjYyNlISEjUyNPI04bKEI=?= Reply-To: y-free@basil.ocn.ne.jp To: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCMydNTSRYGyhC?= Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJE8kOCRhJF4kNyRGISIjTyNmI2YjaSNjGyhC?==?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCI2UhISNTI08jTiRHJDkhIxsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset =iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 突然のメール申し訳御座いません。 　ご不要な情報でしたらお手数ですが削除して下さい。 　ご迷惑をお掛けしました事を深くお詫び致します。 -------------------------------------------------- 　「お願い」と「誤送信時のお詫び」 ご多忙の事と存じますが、少々のお時間を頂きたくお願い申し上げます。 このご案内は、競馬ファンの皆様へお送りしております。 万が一間違って届いてしまいましたらお許し下さい。 ご無礼を深くお詫び申し上げます。 当サイトでは、回収率抜群の競馬予想を、提供しております。 入会金、登録料、一切無料です。 完全後払い、回収率が１５０％未満の場合は、無料です。 回収率が１５０％以上達成時のみ、情報料をお支払い下さい。 土、日、二日分の情報を、一日３レース〜４レースお送り致します。 二日分　情報料　５０００円 土、日、いずれか一日分　情報料　３０００円 ================================ 　　　勝負師ゴンちゃんの競馬予想！ 　　 ================================ 　競馬道２０年！自信あり！下記のＵＲＬをクリック 　http://www1.ocn.ne.jp/~y-free/index3.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 5:53: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DACE37B5FB; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:52:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gustav@morpheus.demon.co.uk) Received: from morpheus.demon.co.uk ([158.152.8.30] helo=morpheus) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 12t8kS-0006oi-0K; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:52:56 +0000 From: "Paul Moore" To: , Subject: Booting FreeBSD from floppy (ie, without a bootloader on the hard disk) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:56:37 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm a total newbie to FreeBSD - I've used Linux before, and I thought I'd check out the "opposition" :-) As I'm just trying things out, I wanted to install FreeBSD onto my second hard disk, leaving my existing setup on hard disk 1 totally untouched. Specifically, I don't at this stage want to change the existing (NT) bootloader on the main disk. I have installed FreeBSD on my second disk, and selected the option for no bootloader. This worked fine, but I now seem to have no way of getting into FreeBSD. I assume that I need to create a boot floppy which will start FreeBSD off the hard disk. There was no option I could see in the install process to do this (I used the "novice" install type), and I can find nothing on the subject in the manual. Can anyone give me a step-by-step explanation of what I need to do? (As I say, I'm not new to Unix, but I have no experience with FreeBSD). Further down the line, I'd like to add FreeBSD as an option to my NT bootloader (I do not want to switch bootloaders, even if the FreeBSD one is better...). To do this, I should only need a suitable MBR image which I can store in a file on the NT boot drive, and I can then change NT's BOOT.INI to add FreeBSD. For later reference, can anyone tell me how I get a FreeBSD MBR? (On Linux, I install the Linux MBR on the Linux disk instead of the boot disk, and then peel it off using dd - is there an option to do this with FreeBSD?) Thanks for any help, Paul Moore. PS In case I didn't make it clear, my key requirement is to make no change at all to my existing NT disk - I want to isolate all my FreeBSD work to the second disk (at least for now). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 5:59:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EFB8B37B5D9 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 14729 invoked by alias); 20 May 2000 12:59:40 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 14707 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 2000 12:59:39 -0000 Received: from aedialup82.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.82) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 May 2000 12:59:39 -0000 Message-ID: <39268B6B.644E738B@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 06:56:12 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: partitions References: <000501bfc1bb$0621d970$b2e47ad1@leegold1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If FreeBSD is going to be the only OS on your drive, why don't you just tell it to use the entire disk? If you do this, it will take care of all the partitioning/formatting tasks for you. Joe leegold wrote: > Trying to get an understanding of how i should partition the hard disk > before I attemp my first > install of FreeBSD 4.0. I will install only FeeBSD on a 6gb hd. I will > remove all existing > partitions on the disk - it will be totally "cleaned-out". > > I assume freebsd will setup its own native file system (vs. fat16) durring > the installtion. (good) > > But what about the partition ( SLICES) scheme? - > - # of partions needed, > - size of each partition > what do i do? traditionally i read > a: is the system's root files, > b: is the swap area, > c: refers to the whole disk. > > to complicate i read a recomendation: > to "create" 5 partitions for /, swap, /var, /temp, /usr - what's this about? > I a newbie so while you're at it: what's the /var, /temp dirs for? what's > the rational behind this scheme- > > what do you recommend? > > Thanks > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 7: 6:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3142D37B626 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-228-148.s402.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.228.148] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12t9tW-0001Jv-00; Sat, 20 May 2000 10:06:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000801bfc264$b4d7c160$94e47ad1@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: Users in NYC? Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:07:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org yes i'm in the nyc area, i'm as they say a "newbie". i'm "reading-up" before i install FreeBSD for the 1st time. that eskimo.com link i cited- i went to one of their meetings last nite. even though most of the people there are linux users, there were some FreeBSD users too. AS a matter of fact some of the professional sysadmin type dudes in the group are hooked on FreeBSD and good sources of info 'cause they've been hacking unix for years ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 1:25 AM Subject: Re: Users in NYC? > Thanks for the info. Are you located in NYC? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 7:43:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nottingham.ac.uk (jess.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk [128.243.40.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABAE37B6FB for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 07:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from psyrawt@nottingham.ac.uk) Received: from pcd3479.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.93.162] helo=dreadnaught) by nottingham.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12tATQ-0002Oz-00 for newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:43:28 +0100 From: "Andrew Tulloch" To: Subject: pop3 mail access Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:41:46 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I seem to have a problem with providing pop3 access to the mail stored on my freebsd machine. I'm using cucipop, but each time someone collects mail they seem to get the "DO NOT DELETE THIS MESSAGE" message, is there anyway to stop this being collected by pop3? Thanks Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 12: 4:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com [24.2.89.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3500637B619; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:04:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA94375; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:04:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:04:43 -0400 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Paul Moore Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting FreeBSD from floppy (ie, without a bootloader on the hard disk) Message-ID: <20000520150442.B93357@cc942873-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com> Reply-To: cjclark@home.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from gustav@morpheus.demon.co.uk on Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:56:37PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:56:37PM +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > Hi, > I'm a total newbie to FreeBSD - I've used Linux before, and I thought I'd > check out the "opposition" :-) > > As I'm just trying things out, I wanted to install FreeBSD onto my second > hard disk, leaving my existing setup on hard disk 1 totally untouched. > Specifically, I don't at this stage want to change the existing (NT) > bootloader on the main disk. > > I have installed FreeBSD on my second disk, and selected the option for no > bootloader. This worked fine, but I now seem to have no way of getting into > FreeBSD. I assume that I need to create a boot floppy which will start > FreeBSD off the hard disk. There was no option I could see in the install > process to do this (I used the "novice" install type), and I can find > nothing on the subject in the manual. > > Can anyone give me a step-by-step explanation of what I need to do? (As I > say, I'm not new to Unix, but I have no experience with FreeBSD). I have made boot floppies like this before. I'm just going to recite what I /think/ I did from memory. I might leave out a detail or two, but this is the gist of it. I think the easiest thing to do is start with the kern.flp boot floppy rather than making up a bootable floppy from scratch. # dd if=kern.flp of=/dev/rfd0 # mount /dev/fd0 /mnt # rm kernel.config kernel.gz. # cat > boot.config < In the loader.conf file on the HDD (not the boot floppy) to straighten that out. > Further down the line, I'd like to add FreeBSD as an option to my NT > bootloader (I do not want to switch bootloaders, even if the FreeBSD one is > better...). To do this, I should only need a suitable MBR image which I can > store in a file on the NT boot drive, and I can then change NT's BOOT.INI to > add FreeBSD. For later reference, can anyone tell me how I get a FreeBSD > MBR? (On Linux, I install the Linux MBR on the Linux disk instead of the > boot disk, and then peel it off using dd - is there an option to do this > with FreeBSD?) I don't see why you could not just use dd(1) in the exact same way if that's how you know how to do it. However, I believe the file /boot/boot0 points to the MBR. See (picking relevent pages from `apropos boot` and some others), boot(8) boot0cfg(8) loader(8) loader.conf(5) disklabel(8) -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 12:58:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.panix.com (mail2.panix.com [166.84.0.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A9C37B6A1 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomg@mailhost.nrnet.org) Received: from mailhost.nrnet.org (mailhost.nrnet.org [166.84.192.39]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E726A155F6; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tomg@localhost) by mailhost.nrnet.org (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA07222; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:01:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:01:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, MrK1nt@aol.com Subject: Re: Users in NYC? In-Reply-To: <000801bfc264$b4d7c160$94e47ad1@leegold1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 20 May 2000, leegold wrote: > yes i'm in the nyc area, i'm as they say a "newbie". i'm "reading-up" before > i install FreeBSD for the 1st time. > > that eskimo.com link i cited- i went to one of their meetings last nite. > even though most of the people there are linux users, there were some > FreeBSD users too. AS a matter of fact some of the professional sysadmin > type dudes in the group are hooked on FreeBSD and good sources of info > 'cause they've been hacking unix for years I am in Staten Island and use Linux (Slackware for production, RedHat for Workstations), UnixWare (legacy apps) and FBSD (my laptop and a fledgling mail server, still doing conf stuff). FBSD has a vastly superior filesystem but lacks good docs. No offense to Greg Lehey but one book does not compare to the O'Reilly armada that focuses on Linux. I have a few older books on 4.4BSD but we could really use some new efforts... 'FBSD in a Nutshell', 'Teach Yourself FBSD in 20 Minutes', etc... I'd like to see a book that starts with 'Remove the shrinkwrap, grab a pint and a pizza...' Jordan Hubbard is pretty good at explaining things...wish he'd take a sabbatical and draft a tome. I'd even agree to proofread (actually serious here). Anyway, I'm also a postgres and perl fanatic. So, if the other New Yorkers wanted to form a newbie usr group to discuss running FBSD (maybe an RDBMS as well ;-), I'm in! Cheers, Tom ------- North Richmond Community Mental Health Center ------- Thomas Good MIS Coordinator Vital Signs: tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org Phone: 718-354-5528 Fax: 718-354-5056 /* Member: Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 14:45:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3676F37B631 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:45:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-222-165.s419.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.165] helo=leegold1) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12tH3q-0002Yr-00; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:45:31 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfc2a4$d84d4170$a5dea4d8@leegold1> From: "leegold" To: "Thomas Good" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Users in NYC? Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:46:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Good" To: "leegold" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Users in NYC? > On Sat, 20 May 2000, leegold wrote: > > > yes i'm in the nyc area, i'm as they say a "newbie". i'm "reading-up" before > > i install FreeBSD for the 1st time. > > > > that eskimo.com link i cited- i went to one of their meetings last nite. > > even though most of the people there are linux users, there were some > > FreeBSD users too. AS a matter of fact some of the professional sysadmin > > type dudes in the group are hooked on FreeBSD and good sources of info > > 'cause they've been hacking unix for years > > I am in Staten Island and use Linux (Slackware for production, RedHat for > Workstations), UnixWare (legacy apps) and FBSD (my laptop and a fledgling > mail server, still doing conf stuff). FBSD has a vastly superior > filesystem but lacks good docs. No offense to Greg Lehey but one book > does not compare to the O'Reilly armada that focuses on Linux. No doubt. But FreeBSD has at least caught O'Reilly's attention, see: http://www.oreillynet.com/freebsd/ > I have > a few older books on 4.4BSD but we could really use some new efforts... > 'FBSD in a Nutshell', 'Teach Yourself FBSD in 20 Minutes', etc... > I'd like to see a book that starts with 'Remove the shrinkwrap, grab a > pint and a pizza...' Agree 1000%. Step by step install instuctions w/side-bars for the newbie explaining the techie aspects. eg. when everybody was taking about "slices" it took me a day or two to read-up and get that they were taking about disk partions. I'm still not 100% there on the partiton issue, but think I know enough now to go ahead w/an install. I'm convinced that if the newbies are supported and brought into the fold - FreeBSD will take-off and in turn get more 3rd party published documentation. > Jordan Hubbard is pretty good at explaining things...wish he'd take a > sabbatical and draft a tome. I'd even agree to proofread (actually serious > here). > > Anyway, I'm also a postgres and perl fanatic. So, if the other New Yorkers > wanted to form a newbie usr group to discuss running FBSD (maybe an RDBMS > as well ;-), I'm in! You talking only FreeBSD (not explictly Linux*)? I think there is one - i went to thier www site and they had jpegs of group members doing some serious chowing down at an indian restaurant. But I'm game to start a group - i learn so much there and i want to post some pictures of me tearing into an overstuffed olive loaf sub. * cause the Linux groups have some FreeBSD users - or at least they're seriously interested in getting a slice up next to their Linux and trying it. Lee > > Cheers, > Tom > > ------- North Richmond Community Mental Health Center ------- > > Thomas Good MIS Coordinator > Vital Signs: tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org > Phone: 718-354-5528 > Fax: 718-354-5056 > > /* Member: Computer Professionals For Social Responsibility */ > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 17: 0: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mgw2.MEIway.com (mgw2.meiway.com [212.73.210.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA80A37B72C for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:00:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lconrad@go2france.com) Received: from memphis.go2france.com (nhd-01-209-142-71-92.sat.idworld.net [209.142.71.92]) by mgw2.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id A5D7A237 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 04:16:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000520190349.00c584c0@mail.go2france.com> X-Sender: lconrad%go2france.com@mail.go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:04:15 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: RE: the "Pedantic FreeBSD" finally online !!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Well, just from a quick virst viewing, I'd say "very nice!". The screenshots >are an especially nice touch. Great for newbies to actually be able to see >what the install looks like, even before running it themselves. very nice concept and a lot of appreiciated work, but ... I found the .jpgs too big and too long to load. He needs to reduce the pixel dimensions by trimming off the content-free screen bevels, decrease the remaining pixel dimensions as much as possible while retaining readablity. File size could be further reduced by increasing .jpg compression level. In fact, why use .jpg to produce color screenshots of a two-color crt and make us wait to DL it? He ought to investigate whether 16 color .gif would produce the smallest image sizes. Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 19:14:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (mail3.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A22137B820 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:14:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail3.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id WAA10970 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39274671.BBE1BEA3@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:14:09 -0400 From: Bob Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: South Florida Newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any others on the list? I am in the Palm Beach County area. Just curious. -- Bob Collins (Powered by M42 on the road) ooOOoo (Powered by ADSL on the net) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat May 20 22:56:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E3737B7D2 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:56:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (rh2.bfm.org [216.127.220.195]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:57:19 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000521005607.008aa100@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 00:56:07 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Users in NYC? In-Reply-To: References: <000801bfc264$b4d7c160$94e47ad1@leegold1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 16:01 20-05-2000 -0400, Thomas Good wrote: >mail server, still doing conf stuff). FBSD has a vastly superior >filesystem but lacks good docs. No offense to Greg Lehey but one book >does not compare to the O'Reilly armada that focuses on Linux. Well, quite frankly, it is often the newbie cutting his teeth who can write the best manual for other newbies. So, how about keeping notes on your own progress, then emailing a proposal to Tim O'Reilly, and writing a book yourself? I am not being facetious here. I bet Tim would jump on the occasion of publishing a decent FreeBSD book, especially by someone with your diverse experience in various types of Unix. Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message