From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 6:11:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7146737BFE3 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:11:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 79952 invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2000 13:11:03 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 79936 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 13:11:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.106.84) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 13:11:02 -0000 Message-ID: <39438F0C.1057A23C@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:07:24 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dragon@skullybat.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting the hang of this stuff. References: <39430EAD.ED206D1F@skullybat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dragon, It's refreshing to see some advocacy! I''m glad you like FreeBSD. I like it too. Eons ago (1994-96), I was a Mac user myself. My favorite Mac was a Power Mac 6100 "pizza box" with a DOS card, running 4.5.1. I've spent the last 2 years experimenting with several Linux distros and have been recently introduced to FreeBSD. When I installed it on a laptop and started using it, things just started to click. Everything about the OS just seemed to make more sense to me. One of the things that impressed me the most about FreeBSD is how easy it is to install software or upgrade the system. The huge assortment of software available in the Ports Collection and the numerous installation options are equally impressive. I've also heard that Mac OS X is based on the FreeBSD 3.4 kernel. Using FreeBSD/Unix is a great way to learn about computers, software and their internal makeup. Using an open OS like FreeBSD is great because you are allowed to customize the kernel to your own personal specifications and even develop applications to run on it. You learn because, in a lot of cases, you are forced to know and understand a computers internal workings and processes to get things to work properly. It's not like Windows, where everything is done in the background for you and you learn nothing. Anyway, welcome to the list. I'm sure you'll be impressed with the huge amount of information that get's passed around here. The people who participate are quite knowledgeable and eager to provide any help or information. Cheers Joe Dragon Green wrote: > Hello fellow newbies. > > After reading that message about what this list is all about I felt > compelled to write. > > I am having so much fun with FreeBSD. I secretly thought that it was a > little over my head (I was a mac person), but since I have gotten brave > and gotten into it, I am really enjoying the puzzle that it can be > sometimes. > > I started using it a little at work. We used it as a web server. We got > a new sys-admin who was more open to showing me some basic stuff and I > found that it wasn't as difficult as I had thought. > > Now I am running my own server at home and having so much fun setting it > up that I have a hard time getting to work on the site that I am serving > on it. I must be sick because I love that there is always some thing to > figure out. It's a constant challenge, and when I do figure something > out, It feels so good. > > Well anyway. I was moved, what can I say. > Dragon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 9:47:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.alltel.net (mail.alltel.net [166.102.165.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8104D37BA16 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbstrt@alltel.net) Received: from alltel.net (r-251.49.alltel.net [166.102.251.49]) by mail.alltel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/ALLTEL Internet) with ESMTP id LAA03973 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:47:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3943C46B.8CBF56F4@alltel.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:55:07 -0400 From: Robert Fulford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ident,irc, & win2k question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy all.... I have an unusual setup here at home, and the fact that I am relatively new to *nix & FreeBSD, which doesn't help matters much.... :(....Here is what I have to work with.. Netgear RT-338 ISDN router that does NAT exceptionally well and gets a dynamic IP from my ISP....the internal IP of the router is 192.168.0.1....I set the DHCP pool on the Netgear to a pool size of 2 & a starting IP of 192.168.0.2. This works well with the 2 nic's in the fbsd 4.0 release box, with dc0 being 192.168.0.2 & hooked to the router. dc1 is 192.168.150.150 & is hooked to a hub, where 2 Win2k boxes also connect, <192.168.150.154 & 192.168.150.156>. I run mIRC version 5.61 on the 2 Win2k boxes, but usually only use one Win2k box when I am on mIRC. I don't run gated or routed or any daemons, I just did some persistant routes on the 2 Win2k boxes & all I have to do after boot-time on the fbsd box is ping the .154 & the .156 and then do a route add -net 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1...(seems there is a bug with 4.0 not accepting "sticky" routes, or I have my syntax wrong in rc.conf, even with .1 being the default_router).... My goal is to get ident or socks5 or anything working in a setup like this so I can use mIRC on a Win2k box. I get "identd not installed" or other similar errors on the Efnet servers that I would like to use....these servers do not give me the error when I use the modem on the Win2k to connect to the ISP & use mIRC...the fbsd box & the router are not in the loop when using the modem, so it's mainly ident that I need to get working..... Here is what some things look like on my fbsd box..... I have installed & compiled pidentd-2.8.5.tar.gz I have installed & compiled socks5-v1.0r10.tar.gz I did not use any arguments when i compiled them.... i just went to /usr/ports/ and did a "make depend", then a "make", then "make install".....it fetched the files it needed and put them in /usr/ports/distfiles/. I have a file in /etc/ called socks5.conf which contains.... set SOCKS5_V4SUPPORT permit - - 192. - - - homers I also have a /usr/local/etc/socks5.conf. This file is a copy of the one in /etc/. The man page mentioned both locations as places it would look, i'll remove the un-needed one later. i have every option in /etc/inetd.conf remarked out with a # i have not made any scripts for identd at all. i tried starting it as suggested, /usr/local/sbin/identd -S /usr/tmp/socks5.ident, but it gave me an error....i read the man page on identd and it said this.... The -f option causes identd to use the named config file (instead of the default /etc/identd.conf ?). Currently not used: ignored, no config files are used. Also, i didn't see a -S option in "man identd"...(i had the /usr/tmp/ socks5.ident file as suggested....it was exactly like this...) set SOCKS5_V4SUPPORT permit - - 192. - - - homers i have tried /usr/local/sbin/identd and then i did a /usr/local/bin/socks5 and tried to join an irc server... no luck at all :( Any help would be greatly appreciated, Jeb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 10:14:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EF8C37C09D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:13:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p153.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.153]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA208888; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:12:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA01515; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:22:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Joe Warner Cc: dragon@skullybat.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting the hang of this stuff. In-Reply-To: <39438F0C.1057A23C@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > like it too. Eons ago (1994-96), I was a Mac user myself. My favorite Mac > was a Power Mac 6100 "pizza box" with a DOS card, running 4.5.1. I've spent Btw, there is also "Macdos", somewhere at info-mac, bringing the commandline.... Mac OS X brings it too, well, some day. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 10:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from coimbra.oss.uswest.net (coimbra.oss.uswest.net [209.180.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F06537B7B2 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@coimbra.oss.uswest.net) Received: from localhost (nitebirdz@localhost) by coimbra.oss.uswest.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25770; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:37:18 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:37:18 -0500 (CDT) From: nitebirdz@coimbra.oss.uswest.net To: Bryan Otteson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD - Tripple Boot...? In-Reply-To: <001f01bfd280$8d401fe0$99b58dd0@arescomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 9 Jun 2000, Bryan Otteson wrote: > Whenever I have tried to use multiple OS's, I have found that Powerquest's > Boot Magic is a pretty good one to use. It is pretty easy to set everything > up as far as I have seen, and it provides a nice graphical interface for > choosing your O/S too. But don't take just my word on it, I'm still just a > rookie. :) > me, > b > Not that I'm much of an expert either, but both Partition Magic and System Commander have always worked fine for me: http://www.powerquest.com/pm5q200promo/index.html http://www.v-com.com/products/scd.html -- Nitebirdz http://www.linuxnovice.org Tips, articles, news, links... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 12:40:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96EB37B567; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:39:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@worldly.org) Received: from worldly.org (ip111.salt-lake-city18.ut.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.16.111]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10888; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:40:11 -0600 From: James Diefenderfer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Dunham Cc: cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , freebsd-newbies@FREEBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FREEBSD.ORG Subject: installation problems References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org for those of you that are following my introduction to the installation of FreeBSD on the Dell Latitude LM laptop. the reason for my previous errors was that i was only selecting the enter key when making menu selections. i needed to use the space key to actually make the selection. i would have thought that somehow the installation menus would have given me some sort of "hey dummy make a selection" error box instead of moving forward. the installation (3rd time) is going pretty smooth except for the following: "unable to transfer" errors but these resolved themselves when i told it to try again. "unable to fetch package kdebase-1.1.2 from selected media. No package ass will be done" how do i fix this so that i will be able to use the KDE desktop environment ? this window is where i seem to get lost. "Package Selection", do i have to go through each of these and select the ones that i want ? how do i know what i want/need ? i thought i told it what i wanted when i selected the "x-developer" option under the "Choose Distro" window. since this is where i messed up the last 2 times i am waiting for help before i continue..... thanks -- James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 12:52:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 769B537B77B for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 31320 invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2000 19:52:26 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 31306 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 19:52:26 -0000 Received: from acdialup106.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.106) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 19:52:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3943ED20.EB879B5B@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:48:48 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: dragon@skullybat.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting the hang of this stuff. References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3BD1DD9A61DBB0C51569D0E0" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------3BD1DD9A61DBB0C51569D0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > like it too. Eons ago (1994-96), I was a Mac user myself. My favorite Mac > > was a Power Mac 6100 "pizza box" with a DOS card, running 4.5.1. I've spent > > Btw, there is also "Macdos", somewhere at info-mac, bringing the > commandline.... Mac OS X brings it too, well, some day. Interesting... At the time, there was also emulation software available to run on the Mac. Can't remember the name of it though. It had a picture of a set of keys on the box, each labled with a different OS. I tried running WIN 95 with it but it was way too slow. WIN 95 was even slow on the DOS card. WIN 3.1 ran better. Since I was the mail administrator at the time, I only needed DOS 6.22 on the DOS card to administrate the mail system (MS Mail 3.5)..... Joe > > > --------------3BD1DD9A61DBB0C51569D0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Heiko Recktenwald wrote:

> like it too.  Eons ago (1994-96), I was a Mac user myself.  My favorite Mac
> was a Power Mac 6100 "pizza box" with a DOS card, running 4.5.1.  I've spent

Btw, there is also "Macdos", somewhere at info-mac, bringing the
commandline.... Mac OS X brings it too, well, some day.


Interesting...  At the time, there was also emulation software available to run on the Mac.  Can't remember the name of it though.  It had a picture of a set of keys on the box, each labled with a different OS.  I tried running WIN 95 with it but it was way too slow.  WIN 95 was even slow on the DOS card.  WIN 3.1 ran better.  Since I was the mail administrator at the time, I only needed DOS 6.22 on the DOS card to administrate the mail system (MS Mail 3.5).....

Joe
 

 
 
 
--------------3BD1DD9A61DBB0C51569D0E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 12:57:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CDD2037B7CE for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:57:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hyungukang@yahoo.com) Received: from lincolngreen.net66.com (HELO lecor.yahoo.com) (206.139.81.249) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 12:57:25 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000611145125.00aa88b0@ews.uiuc.edu> X-Sender: hyungukang@pop.mail.yahoo.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:58:22 -0500 To: newbies@freebsd.org From: Hyun Gu Kang Subject: using a proxy server Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_15591624==_.ALT" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=====================_15591624==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I live at a house with about 10 other people; we have an ISDN line and a proxy server for the household, Right now we use a program called "Wingate" which acts as a proxy server and a firewall. Under Win98 each of the client computers use a "wingate client" rather than the normal proxy settings. That means my FreeBSD computer as of right now can't connect to the internet (I dual boot W98 and FreeBSD). Does anyone know a way to get around this? Unfortuantely I can't make my computer as a server since I will move in about 9 months anyway, and it would be too much trouble to do all that. If anyone has used VMware (virtual machine-can emulate your computer on top of your OS so you can run multiple OS at the same time)? Do you think it would be possible to somehow install it and run W98 on top of it and run that proxy client program to be able to connect to the internet? Sincerely Hyun Gu :) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hyun Gu Kang 715 W Michigan, Urbana IL 61801 hyunkang@uiuc.edu 217-367-6650 Senior in Chemical Engineering at University of Illinois pre-Biomedical Engineering NFK 52, 55, 65 "Give! .. Give until it hurts, because real love hurts." -Mother Teresa http://www.prairienet.org/stjohns http://www.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/ph/ns.uiuc.edu?Query=hyun+gu+kang --=====================_15591624==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
I live at a house with about 10 other people; we have an ISDN line and a proxy server for the household,  Right now we use a program called "Wingate" which acts as a proxy server and a firewall.  Under Win98 each of the client computers use a "wingate client" rather than the normal proxy settings.  That means my FreeBSD computer as of right now can't connect to the internet (I dual boot W98 and FreeBSD).  Does anyone know a way to get around this? 

Unfortuantely I can't make my computer as a server since I will move in about 9 months anyway, and it would be too much trouble to do all that.

If anyone has used VMware (virtual machine-can emulate your computer on top of your OS so you can run multiple OS at the same time)?  Do you think it would be possible to somehow install it and run W98 on top of it and run that proxy client program to be able to connect to the internet?

Sincerely

Hyun Gu :)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hyun Gu Kang            715 W Michigan, Urbana IL 61801
hyunkang@uiuc.edu       217-367-6650

Senior in Chemical Engineering at University of Illinois
pre-Biomedical Engineering

NFK 52, 55, 65

"Give! .. Give until it hurts, because real love hurts."
-Mother Teresa

http://www.prairienet.org/stjohns
http://www.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/ph/ns.uiuc.edu?Query=hyun+gu+kang
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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 14: 4:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7341837BA32 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA08664; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:04:35 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d27.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d27.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.39]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA28846; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:02:06 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Dragon Green Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Getting the hang of this stuff. In-Reply-To: <39430EAD.ED206D1F@skullybat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Congratulations, Dragon. Next topic: Is anyone sharing a reasonably good sized SCSI (8.7Gig) between $mswincrash and FBSD? I've run both before (while going through the msdivorce phase) but never on the same drive. Fairly sure I could go straight to /stand/sysinstall and eventually get it done, but would appreciate some experienced hints. The purpose is to run Flight Simulator. IBM recommendation: Had their 4.5Gig UltraWide which came up with bad blocks on the first sector. After dancing through the voice mail stuff in order to track down the correct division (OEM) they sent shipping instructions, I returned it and they promptly sent back their 9.3Gig. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 14:14:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [195.66.45.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FEB37BBA6 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:14:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trasher@home.se) Received: from home.se (trasher@d212-151-53-178.swipnet.se [212.151.53.178]) by smtp2.home.se (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA17577 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:14:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:17:11 +0200 From: Kristian =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= Organization: 3D Bakery ... www.3dbakery.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.0-test1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Linux and FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! Please excuse my bad english. I have used Linux for several years now... And I heard of a friend that FreeBSD maybe would be something for me. My question is then: Is FreeBSD like Linux at all or is it a hole new systemfor me? /Kristian Söderholm (trasher@home.se) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 14:16:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8122C37BBA6 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 436 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 21:16:06 -0000 Received: from as52-16-35.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.183.131.35) by mail05.rzmi.gmx.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 21:16:06 -0000 Message-ID: <004501bfd403$6a65a560$2383b7d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: silo overflow related to IRQ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:08:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use freebsd 3.2 - RELEASE, and whenever i try to connect to the Net i'm getting silo overflows. I think i know where the problem is, the IRQ. My modem is on /dev/cuaa2 or COM3, and in fbsd 3.2, you have to edit the kernel config to enable that port, i edited, but in the manual it said that you also need to change the IRQ because the default IRQ # is not right. Can someone help me with determining the IRQ #? --r00t3d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 14:46:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bezeqint.net (mail-a.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3EA37B77B for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nimrodme@bezeqint.net) Received: from bezeqint.net (PT4-8014.bezeqint.net) by mail.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FW0003HQF3V1M@mail.bezeqint.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:45:31 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:43:39 +0300 From: Nimrod Mesika Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD To: Kristian =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: nimrodm@email.com Message-id: <3943F9FB.BF7E962B@bezeqint.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14pre8um i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kristian Söderholm wrote: > Please excuse my bad english. > I have used Linux for several years now... > And I heard of a friend that FreeBSD maybe would be something for me. > My question is then: > Is FreeBSD like Linux at all or is it a hole new systemfor me? Definitely not a new system. Many similarities. And FreeBSD man pages are *much* better than any Linux distro so you can learn while working. If you like to fiddle with config files and just 'do it yourself' instead of using linuxconf or whatever automated installation package, FreeBSD is for you. Oh yes.. and if you enjoy watching packages compile rather than just download ready made (and usually not optimized) binaries. Slick system. I'm moving from Linux myself :) -- Nimrod. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 14:49:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D6C937B7E0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:49:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-227-129.s129.tnt2.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.227.129] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131Fbe-0006in-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:49:22 -0400 Message-ID: <002101bfd3ef$0601f7e0$81e37ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:50:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hello! > > Please excuse my bad english. > I have used Linux for several years now... Using Linux helps ALOT! FreeBSD is Unix. If you have used Linux for several years - then you will enjoy FreeBSD - no problems! > And I heard of a friend that FreeBSD maybe would be something for me. > My question is then: > Is FreeBSD like Linux at all or is it a hole new systemfor me? > > > /Kristian Söderholm (trasher@home.se) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 16:10:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14E3637B6A7 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 20549 invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2000 23:10:08 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 20534 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2000 23:10:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.234) by slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 23:10:08 -0000 Message-ID: <39441B77.14E86195@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:06:31 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kristian =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kristian, To find your answer, go here and scroll down a bit---->http://www.daemonnews.org/200006/dadvocate.html Cheers Joe Kristian Söderholm wrote: > Hello! > > Please excuse my bad english. > I have used Linux for several years now... > And I heard of a friend that FreeBSD maybe would be something for me. > My question is then: > Is FreeBSD like Linux at all or is it a hole new systemfor me? > > /Kristian Söderholm (trasher@home.se) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 16:33:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9BB137B5AC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:33:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp1.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.16]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA07024; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 01:32:44 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5CNZLk30504; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:35:21 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:35:19 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Kristian S?derholm Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD Message-ID: <20000613023518.A30423@hades.hell.gr> References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se>; from trasher@home.se on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 11:17:11PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 11:17:11PM +0200, Kristian S?derholm wrote: > > Please excuse my bad english. There is nothing wrong with your english, get over it :) > I have used Linux for several years now... So have most of us. If you ask in the typical group of FreeBSD people, how many come from a Linux background you'll be pleasantly surprised. > And I heard of a friend that FreeBSD maybe would be something for me. Your friends knows you a lot better than all of us, but if you liked using Linux, and you feel like a Unix-like OS (like Linux) is what you're looking for, well then... FreeBSD is as close to Unix as you can get these days. If you have managed to get through a couple of Linux installations, each time with a different distribution, then /stand/sysinstall will seem like a gift from heaven. Try the installation of FreeBSD and see how easy an installation can be (thank you Jordan, and the rest). > My question is then: > Is FreeBSD like Linux at all or is it a hole new systemfor me? If you felt comfortable with Linux, you'll have no problems. All right, a few command line options are different, there are no longer those long GNU options --help-me-please-with-my-printer, etc. You will certainly find some differences, as you are getting used to FreeBSD. Do not be scared off, by these minor differences though. FreeBSD *is* a Unix system, and you'll instinctively know your way around most of the time, since you're using Linux for some time. When you can not find what, or how, or when, there are these mailing lists, packed with really helpful people, to answer your questions. Ciao, and welcome aboard. -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public key: finger keramida@ceid.upatras.gr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 17:44:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB39F37B559 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r6.bfm.org [216.127.220.102]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:45:25 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000611194405.00904ce0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:44:05 -0500 To: Kristian =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Linux and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 23:17 11-06-2000 +0200, Kristian S=F6derholm wrote: >Is FreeBSD like Linux at all or is it a hole new systemfor me? Yes on both counts. FreeBSD is Unix, Linux is a Unix clone, so there are many similarities. But there are differences too, especially when you first install the system. Once you have it installed, it looks pretty much the same: You can run the same shell, for example. The directory structure is different (more logical, IMHO), but you'll get used to it. Note also that you can run most of Linux software directly, without recompiling, in the Linux "emulation" mode. I put emulation in quotes because FreeBSD actually runs like Linux in that mode, except, it usually works faster. Another big difference is in installing additional programs. Under Linux you typically have to download it from somewhere, study the makefile, then compile it and install it yourself. In FreeBSD you will find the ports system very, very nice. All you have to do is type something like: cd /usr/ports/somedirectory/someprogram make install The system will automatically download everything you need, make it, and install it. It will even install any libraries the program may require: A total miracle! Cheers, Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 17:51:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CCA37B5AC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@worldly.org) Received: from worldly.org (ip94.salt-lake-city18.ut.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.16.94]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00340 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:51:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39443456.E7CB7078@worldly.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:52:48 -0600 From: James Diefenderfer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Distribution vs Packages References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> <39441B77.14E86195@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone please explain the difference between the two durning the installation process. This is causing alot of confusion ???? -- James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 19:48: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB42237B876 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:47:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 94146 invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2000 02:47:53 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 94136 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 02:47:52 -0000 Received: from acdialup138.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.138) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 02:47:52 -0000 Message-ID: <39444E7F.787A1475@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:44:15 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Diefenderfer Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Distribution vs Packages References: <394401D7.5E7B331@home.se> <39441B77.14E86195@uswest.net> <39443456.E7CB7078@worldly.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James, Can you be more specific as to what is confusing? James Diefenderfer wrote: > Can anyone please explain the difference between the two durning the > installation process. This is causing alot of confusion ???? > -- > James > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 19:49:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rider.dunham.org (rider.dunham.org [207.170.123.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA79037B837; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 19:49:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dunham@dunham.org) Received: (from dunham@localhost) by rider.dunham.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id VAA20046; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:48:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <20000611214851.Y22659@rider.dunham.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:48:51 -0500 From: Jerry Dunham To: James Diefenderfer Cc: cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation problems References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org>; from James Diefenderfer on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 01:40:11PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD rider.dunham.org 2.2.6-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 June 2000 at 13:40:11 -0600, James Diefenderfer wrote: > for those of you that are following my introduction to the installation > of FreeBSD on the Dell Latitude LM laptop. the reason for my previous > errors was that i was only selecting the enter key when making menu > selections. i needed to use the space key to actually make the > selection. i would have thought that somehow the installation menus > would have given me some sort of "hey dummy make a selection" error box > instead of moving forward. This is EXACTLY one of the major problems I had a few months ago when I first installed FreeBSD on a notebook. I complained at the time, but was basically told that the deficiencies of sysinstall were well known and would be worked as the knowledgeable people have time. While I certainly understand that, it doesn't change the frustration newbies feel when they can't figure out how to get past something that seems trivial to the more experienced folks. I wish I were smart enough to work on this problem myself. > this window is where i seem to get lost. "Package Selection", do i have > to go through each of these and select the ones that i want ? how do i > know what i want/need ? i thought i told it what i wanted when i > selected the "x-developer" option under the "Choose Distro" window. I tripped over this one, too. My recollection is that "Package Selection" is just an opportunity to modify what you already picked as a group when you picked "X-developer", but my recollections are too often faulty to trust. I'm Cc:ing the newbies list, as you did, because that seems a reasonable place for this discussion, but if anyone expects me to see replies there it won't happen. I've tried twice to subscribe and it never seems to take, though majordomo replies to me like it has. -- Jerry Dunham FreeBSD (512)335-0674 (H) jdunham@fc.net jerry@dunham.org To vacillate, or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 20: 7:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1C87B37B8DB for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 18472 invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2000 03:07:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 18402 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 03:07:12 -0000 Received: from acdialup138.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.138) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 03:07:12 -0000 Message-ID: <3944530C.D6EAE346@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:03:40 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Dunham Cc: James Diefenderfer , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation problems References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> <20000611214851.Y22659@rider.dunham.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------9A185DF74759846964FE690D" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------9A185DF74759846964FE690D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > this window is where i seem to get lost. "Package Selection", do i have > > to go through each of these and select the ones that i want ? how do i > > know what i want/need ? i thought i told it what i wanted when i > > selected the "x-developer" option under the "Choose Distro" window. The best way I've found to approach this potential dilemma is to first choose whichever install option pleases you, i.e.; x-developer or regular user w' x windows, include a few extra packages that you've already heard about or that interest you. This shouldn't be too difficult, since the packages are listed by catagory. Then later, after you've successfully installed FreeBSD, you can do some research on different packages (choose which one's are of interest) and install them later with /stand/sysinstall. Also, if I remember correctly, each package included on the CD ROM set includes a brief description of what each package is/does. > > > I tripped over this one, too. My recollection is that "Package > Selection" is just an opportunity to modify what you already picked > as a group when you picked "X-developer", but my recollections are too > often faulty to trust. > > I'm Cc:ing the newbies list, as you did, because that seems a reasonable > place for this discussion, but if anyone expects me to see replies there > it won't happen. I've tried twice to subscribe and it never seems to > take, though majordomo replies to me like it has. > > -- > Jerry Dunham FreeBSD (512)335-0674 (H) > jdunham@fc.net jerry@dunham.org > > To vacillate, or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --------------9A185DF74759846964FE690D Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 

> this window is where i seem to get lost. "Package Selection",  do i have
> to go through each of  these and select the ones that i want ? how do i
> know what i want/need ? i thought i told it what i wanted when i
> selected the "x-developer" option under the "Choose Distro" window.


The best way I've found to approach this potential dilemma is to first choose whichever install option pleases you, i.e.; x-developer or regular user w' x windows, include a few extra packages that you've already heard about or that interest you.  This shouldn't be too difficult, since the packages are listed by catagory.  Then later, after you've successfully installed FreeBSD, you can do some research on different packages (choose which one's are of interest) and install them later with /stand/sysinstall.  Also, if I remember correctly, each package included on the CD ROM set includes a brief description of what each package is/does.

 

I tripped over this one, too.  My recollection is that "Package
Selection" is just an opportunity to modify what you already picked
as a group when you picked "X-developer", but my recollections are too
often faulty to trust.

I'm Cc:ing the newbies list, as you did, because that seems a reasonable
place for this discussion, but if anyone expects me to see replies there
it won't happen.  I've tried twice to subscribe and it never seems to
take, though majordomo replies to me like it has.

--
Jerry Dunham                     FreeBSD                (512)335-0674 (H)
jdunham@fc.net                                           jerry@dunham.org

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--------------9A185DF74759846964FE690D-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 21:25:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D515637B995; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@worldly.org) Received: from worldly.org (ip187.salt-lake-city19.ut.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.17.187]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21950; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3944661B.9F849F25@worldly.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:26:02 -0600 From: James Diefenderfer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: Jerry Dunham , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> <20000611214851.Y22659@rider.dunham.org> <3944530C.D6EAE346@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with "boot error". I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jun 11 21:45:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from durga.indira.net (24-29-114-135.nyc.rr.com [24.29.114.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C1737B524 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from indira@durga.indira.net) Received: by durga.indira.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20613 for newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:45:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from indira) From: indira Reply-To: indira@indira.net Organization: indira.net To: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: sound problems Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 00:34:47 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061200450702.20535@durga.indira.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have installed freebsd 4.0 on my system. I recompiled the kernel so t= hat the audio card could be recognized. I am using kde as my window manager. I ca= n't get any audio.Does anyone know what else i should configure?I enabled sou= nd in the kde control center.this is the relevant parts ofdmesg that i have aft= er having tried to use the cd player Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a fxp0: starting DAD for fe80:0001::0204:acff:fed9:25d3 fxp0: DAD complete for fe80:0001::0204:acff:fed9:25d3 - no duplicates fou= nd pid 265 (kscd), uid 102: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) pid 316 (kmp3), uid 102: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) acd0: READ_BIG - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=3D64 ascq=3D00 error=3D00 pid 19866 (kfm), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) pid 19892 (kscd), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) =20 thanks =20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 5:49:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F83E37CBA4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 05:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 42668 invoked by alias); 12 Jun 2000 12:49:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.org@fixme Received: (qmail 42622 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 12:49:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.125) by slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Jun 2000 12:49:40 -0000 Message-ID: <3944DB89.A73B48A0@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:46:01 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Diefenderfer Cc: Jerry Dunham , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> <20000611214851.Y22659@rider.dunham.org> <3944530C.D6EAE346@uswest.net> <3944661B.9F849F25@worldly.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James, It can be pretty discouraging when you're having problems but don't give up. Be persistent and you'll eventually solve the problem. I don't know about anybody else but I had my share of bad weekends when I tried to install Linux for the first time. In my case, I was installing it on my PC at work to dual boot with WIN 95 and thought I was going to have a heart attack when I thought I had it installed properly, rebooted and saw the message "Operating system not found". At the same moment, which is often the case, users were calling in for assistance and I desperately needed to get to the email and documents on my WIN 95 partition. Fortunately, I had created a ghost image of my PC and put it on CD ROM before the install. Each install after this, I became less and less apprehensive. One of the real joys I have found with using FreeBSD/Linux/Unix is that it forces you understand the inner workings of your PC and software on a much deeper level. I've gotten a great amount of satisfaction when I struggle with a problem for a few days and finally come up with the answer and fix it myself. In fact, I actually look forward to solving problems now. My only limitation is time. If you're getting too frustrated, take a break, do some more research and go back at it. I'm confident you'll eventually get over this hurdle. Doug Young has written an excellent tutorial, geared towards newbies on installing and configuring FreeBSD. The install instructions focus on installing from floppy but you can ignore this if you're installing from CD. The jpg's are a little too big and take a little bit to load but, in my opinion, they are quite helpful. Take a look---->http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ Good luck and don't give up. 8^} Joe James Diefenderfer wrote: > Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install > FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This > makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far > as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " > /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > "boot error". > > I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! > > I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, > > James -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 6:39:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5412537BE52; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 06:39:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA17003; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:36:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdn17001; Mon Jun 12 23:36:36 2000 Message-ID: <04ae01bfd473$69588640$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Joe Warner" , "James Diefenderfer" Cc: "Jerry Dunham" , , "Greg Lehey" , "Wes Peters" , "Michael Smith" , "Sue Blake" , References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:37:48 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've only just noticed this thread ...... maybe its time someone did a hardware HOW_NOT_TO. I'll bet the problem is hardware related .... the machine & the machine giving all the problems is one of those proprietary disasters. I've lost count of the weirdness I've seen with AST / Compaq / Fujitsu / HP / IBM / Western / etc .... although strangely enough I have had good results with Digital Venturis boxes, as long as the original network card is replaced by an early SMC / 3-com / Intel. Another recipe for trouble is anything with an SiS label, especially videocards. Despite the warnings I've given other newbies, I just now tried installing 4.0 in a nice little Western box, thinking they would make lovely gateway machines ...... however this monstrosity adds a new meaning to "YUKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!! makes me think maybe dougy should have stuck with the pizza business :) not to fear .... the Digitals are all running nicely, and if all else fails the old dual P100 complete mit twin MFM SCSI's & 4.0 RELEASE is sitting in the next room waiting patiently for its next turn at gatewaying > It can be pretty discouraging when you're having problems but don't give > up. Be persistent and you'll eventually solve the problem. I don't know > about anybody else but I had my share of bad weekends when I tried to > install Linux for the first time. In my case, I was installing it on my PC > at work to dual boot with WIN 95 and thought I was going to have a heart > attack when I thought I had it installed properly, rebooted and saw the > message "Operating system not found". At the same moment, which is often > the case, users were calling in for assistance and I desperately needed to > get to the email and documents on my WIN 95 partition. Fortunately, I had > created a ghost image of my PC and put it on CD ROM before the install. > Each install after this, I became less and less apprehensive. One of the > real joys I have found with using FreeBSD/Linux/Unix is that it forces you > understand the inner workings of your PC and software on a much deeper > level. I've gotten a great amount of satisfaction when I struggle with a > problem for a few days and finally come up with the answer and fix it > myself. In fact, I actually look forward to solving problems now. My only > limitation is time. If you're getting too frustrated, take a break, do > some more research and go back at it. I'm confident you'll eventually get > over this hurdle. Doug Young has written an excellent tutorial, geared > towards newbies on installing and configuring FreeBSD. The install > instructions focus on installing from floppy but you can ignore this if > you're installing from CD. The jpg's are a little too big and take a > little bit to load but, in my opinion, they are quite helpful. Take a > look---->http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ > Good luck and don't give up. 8^} > > Joe > > James Diefenderfer wrote: > > > Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install > > FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This > > makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far > > as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " > > /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I > > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > > "boot error". > > > > I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! > > > > I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, > > > > James > > -- > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > not sure about the former. > -Albert Einstein. > 1879-1955. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 7:34:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE88537B518 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:34:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-220-86.s86.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.220.86] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 131VHy-0006WX-00; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:34:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfd47b$62994120$56dca4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "James Diefenderfer" Cc: References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> <20000611214851.Y22659@rider.dunham.org> <3944530C.D6EAE346@uswest.net> <3944661B.9F849F25@worldly.org> Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:34:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org did you get the window that says: "congradulations you have sucessfully installed FreeBSD" ? that window is what you want to shoot for. There will be a snafu or two if you're installing 4. and the references are 3.0. I Used several references while I was installing in addition to the book. Here are some links of install helpers: http://www.ccp14.ac.uk/solution/bsdunix/index.html [good] http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs1206/Spring00/Unix-Install.html#UNIX [clear] http://www.tfug.org/helpdesk/freebsd/bsdnewbie.html [THIS IS VER 2.X.X but helps] http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ [This is "minimalist" but GREAT help] If you kind of synthesize all this info w/the book and the .org info you'll eventually make the correct turns at each descision tree. HTH ----- Original Message ----- From: James Diefenderfer To: Joe Warner Cc: Jerry Dunham ; ; Greg Lehey ; Wes Peters ; Michael Smith ; Sue Blake ; Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 12:26 AM Subject: Still No FreeBSD > Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install > FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This > makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far > as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " > /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > "boot error". > > I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! > > I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, > > James > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 10:12:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8425037B64F for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA43E4; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:14:13 -0700 Message-ID: <39451988.E2BDF746@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:10:32 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Diefenderfer Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B5B61@worldly.org> <20000611214851.Y22659@rider.dunham.org> <3944530C.D6EAE346@uswest.net> <3944661B.9F849F25@worldly.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James Diefenderfer wrote: > Thinking this must mean I was done I > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > "boot error". 1) This is not where you want to reboot. Wait until the installation is complete (it will tell you). 2) Did you install the boot manager? This is during an early stage of the installation. If it is installed, then when you boot, you will get a menu of partitions to boot from. If you didn't, then the computer will find an inappropriate boot record and give you an error. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 11: 6: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122E237BC5C for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:05:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6593 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:06:26 -0700 Message-ID: <394525C6.F3C84C5@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:02:46 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: BSD Advocacy... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay folks, opinion time! What's the best way to counter the continual FUD that the GPL protects software better than the BSD license? It's starting to annoy me that so many pundits point to a mere license as the sole reason why Linux is better than FreeBSD. My guess is that if they didn't focus on the license, they would have to focus on the software and sadly conclude that Linux is not necessarily superior to FreeBSD, Solaris or other quality unices. This FUD seems to have ramped up considerably since the Microsoft/Kerberos affair. One of the most persistant statements is "the GPL prevents people from stealing the code". Another common one that always raises my hackles is "the Linux kernel succeeded where BSD did not because of the GPL." Not only is this a subtle insult to the Linux coders, it also implies that the BSDs have failed. And then there was the email sent to my private address: "would you please release you software under the GPL so that I can use it?". We know that FreeBSD is not inferior to Linux. We know that the BSD license is 100% free. We know that different needs means different licenses. But how do we get this message out, and how do we get it out without denigrating Linux and the GPL at the same time? I have been correcting some of these misconceptions as I find them in various Linux forums, but I'm not sure that this is even useful or productive. Opinions? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 12:53:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f65.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B070537B734 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:53:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomhines2@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 45022 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jun 2000 19:53:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000612195345.45021.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.91.82.137 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:53:45 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.91.82.137] From: "Tom Hines" To: djohnson@acuson.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Advocacy... Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:53:45 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >What's the best way to counter the continual FUD that the GPL protects >software better than the BSD license? You can't counter it because it's true. The GPL has an important restriction that BSD doesn't -- it requires all modifications to the code that are redistributed are done so under the same license. That protects the software. I don't know if the GPL is the reason that companies are jumping on the Linux bandwagon or not, but I can see why it might be more attractive to a company offering support services, or to a company that just wants to make a contribution without fear of it getting hijacked, like SGI with XFS (http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/license.html). Why do you think that's FUD? On the other hand, I see no reason why FreeBSD can't get a bandwagon going, and with the merger of BSDI and Walnut Creek, I hope that happens. Tom H. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 13:45: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BBF37BA9A for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4C15; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:45:46 -0700 Message-ID: <39454B1E.659B3F6A@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:42:06 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Hines , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Advocacy... References: <20000612195345.45021.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Hines wrote: > > >What's the best way to counter the continual FUD that the GPL protects > >software better than the BSD license? > > You can't counter it because it's true. The GPL has an important > restriction that BSD doesn't -- it requires all modifications to the code > that are redistributed are done so under the same license. That protects > the software. I have to disagree. The GPL does a very good job of guaranteeing *future derivatives* will also be GPLd, but is no better or worse than the BSD license to protect the original software. What does one want protection against? As near as I can tell, it's against damage of some sort. But how do you damage freely redistributable and infinitely reproducible software? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 17: 4:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AB1E37B7D0 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 14334 invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2000 00:04:45 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 14264 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2000 00:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.250) by slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 00:04:42 -0000 Message-ID: <394579BE.F13F032A@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:01:03 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: James Diefenderfer , Jerry Dunham , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B <04ae01bfd473$69588640$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 266mhz machine today at work and the install went flawlessly. It recognized all my hardware, with the exception of the sound card. I'll fix this problem when I recompile the kernel later. I gave it a static IP address, got my Apache and FTP servers going. I forgot to install Netscape and went to /usr/local/ports/www/netscape/netscape47-communicator and typed "make install" and it went out through our firewall to Netscapes FTP site and did all the work!! (I played X-Bill and Battleship while it was installing) My co-workers were pretty impressed! 8^} Doug Young wrote: > I've only just noticed this thread ...... maybe its time someone did a > hardware > HOW_NOT_TO. I'll bet the problem is hardware related .... the machine & > the machine giving all the problems is one of those proprietary disasters. > I've > lost count of the weirdness I've seen with AST / Compaq / Fujitsu / HP / IBM > / Western / etc .... although strangely enough I have had good results with > Digital > Venturis boxes, as long as the original network card is replaced by an early > SMC > / 3-com / Intel. Another recipe for trouble is anything with an SiS label, > especially > videocards. Despite the warnings I've given other newbies, I just now tried > installing > 4.0 in a nice little Western box, thinking they would make lovely gateway > machines ...... > however this monstrosity adds a new meaning to "YUKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!! > makes me think maybe dougy should have stuck with the pizza business :) > not to fear .... the Digitals are all running nicely, and if all else fails > the old dual P100 > complete mit twin MFM SCSI's & 4.0 RELEASE is sitting in the next room > waiting > patiently for its next turn at gatewaying > > > It can be pretty discouraging when you're having problems but don't > give > > up. Be persistent and you'll eventually solve the problem. I don't know > > about anybody else but I had my share of bad weekends when I tried to > > install Linux for the first time. In my case, I was installing it on my > PC > > at work to dual boot with WIN 95 and thought I was going to have a heart > > attack when I thought I had it installed properly, rebooted and saw the > > message "Operating system not found". At the same moment, which is often > > the case, users were calling in for assistance and I desperately needed to > > get to the email and documents on my WIN 95 partition. Fortunately, I had > > created a ghost image of my PC and put it on CD ROM before the install. > > Each install after this, I became less and less apprehensive. One of the > > real joys I have found with using FreeBSD/Linux/Unix is that it forces you > > understand the inner workings of your PC and software on a much deeper > > level. I've gotten a great amount of satisfaction when I struggle with a > > problem for a few days and finally come up with the answer and fix it > > myself. In fact, I actually look forward to solving problems now. My > only > > limitation is time. If you're getting too frustrated, take a break, do > > some more research and go back at it. I'm confident you'll eventually get > > over this hurdle. Doug Young has written an excellent tutorial, geared > > towards newbies on installing and configuring FreeBSD. The install > > instructions focus on installing from floppy but you can ignore this if > > you're installing from CD. The jpg's are a little too big and take a > > little bit to load but, in my opinion, they are quite helpful. Take a > > look---->http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ > > Good luck and don't give up. 8^} > > > > Joe > > > > James Diefenderfer wrote: > > > > > Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install > > > FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This > > > makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far > > > as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " > > > /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I > > > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > > > "boot error". > > > > > > I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! > > > > > > I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, > > > > > > James > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > > not sure about the former. > > -Albert Einstein. > > 1879-1955. > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 17:22:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136A037BB0F; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:22:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA23516; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:20:19 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdc23514; Tue Jun 13 10:20:12 2000 Message-ID: <05c401bfd4cd$52956590$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Joe Warner" Cc: "James Diefenderfer" , "Jerry Dunham" , , "Greg Lehey" , "Wes Peters" , "Michael Smith" , "Sue Blake" , References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:21:25 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid proprietory hardware generally though ..... seems most of it is designed primarily around Windows operating systems & one is only looking for trouble messing with these things. The latest series of HP computers seem to be particularly bad, they even give major hardware conflict problems with Win2000, so the weirdness with unix is something else again. The ones I've struck recently came with really evil componentry like unbranded internal winmodems & network cards, SiS videocards etc, so they are top of my "avoid at any price" list. I've used a lot of HP gear and found the company support (at least in OZ) extremely good, but they are slipping badly with current range of computers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Warner" To: "Doug Young" Cc: "James Diefenderfer" ; "Jerry Dunham" ; ; "Greg Lehey" ; "Wes Peters" ; "Michael Smith" ; "Sue Blake" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD > I just installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 266mhz machine today at work > and the install went flawlessly. It recognized all my hardware, with the > exception of the sound card. I'll fix this problem when I recompile the kernel > later. I gave it a static IP address, got my Apache and FTP servers going. I > forgot to install Netscape and went to > /usr/local/ports/www/netscape/netscape47-communicator and typed "make install" > and it went out through our firewall to Netscapes FTP site and did all the > work!! (I played X-Bill and Battleship while it was installing) My co-workers > were pretty impressed! 8^} > > Doug Young wrote: > > > I've only just noticed this thread ...... maybe its time someone did a > > hardware > > HOW_NOT_TO. I'll bet the problem is hardware related .... the machine & > > the machine giving all the problems is one of those proprietary disasters. > > I've > > lost count of the weirdness I've seen with AST / Compaq / Fujitsu / HP / IBM > > / Western / etc .... although strangely enough I have had good results with > > Digital > > Venturis boxes, as long as the original network card is replaced by an early > > SMC > > / 3-com / Intel. Another recipe for trouble is anything with an SiS label, > > especially > > videocards. Despite the warnings I've given other newbies, I just now tried > > installing > > 4.0 in a nice little Western box, thinking they would make lovely gateway > > machines ...... > > however this monstrosity adds a new meaning to "YUKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!! > > makes me think maybe dougy should have stuck with the pizza business :) > > not to fear .... the Digitals are all running nicely, and if all else fails > > the old dual P100 > > complete mit twin MFM SCSI's & 4.0 RELEASE is sitting in the next room > > waiting > > patiently for its next turn at gatewaying > > > > > It can be pretty discouraging when you're having problems but don't > > give > > > up. Be persistent and you'll eventually solve the problem. I don't know > > > about anybody else but I had my share of bad weekends when I tried to > > > install Linux for the first time. In my case, I was installing it on my > > PC > > > at work to dual boot with WIN 95 and thought I was going to have a heart > > > attack when I thought I had it installed properly, rebooted and saw the > > > message "Operating system not found". At the same moment, which is often > > > the case, users were calling in for assistance and I desperately needed to > > > get to the email and documents on my WIN 95 partition. Fortunately, I had > > > created a ghost image of my PC and put it on CD ROM before the install. > > > Each install after this, I became less and less apprehensive. One of the > > > real joys I have found with using FreeBSD/Linux/Unix is that it forces you > > > understand the inner workings of your PC and software on a much deeper > > > level. I've gotten a great amount of satisfaction when I struggle with a > > > problem for a few days and finally come up with the answer and fix it > > > myself. In fact, I actually look forward to solving problems now. My > > only > > > limitation is time. If you're getting too frustrated, take a break, do > > > some more research and go back at it. I'm confident you'll eventually get > > > over this hurdle. Doug Young has written an excellent tutorial, geared > > > towards newbies on installing and configuring FreeBSD. The install > > > instructions focus on installing from floppy but you can ignore this if > > > you're installing from CD. The jpg's are a little too big and take a > > > little bit to load but, in my opinion, they are quite helpful. Take a > > > look---->http://www.apana.org.au/FreeBSD/FreeBSD_Tutorial/ > > > Good luck and don't give up. 8^} > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > James Diefenderfer wrote: > > > > > > > Well, it's been a very frustrating weekend. I have tried to install > > > > FreeBSD from Greg's book and have been extremely unsuccessful. This > > > > makes the 6th time that I have tried and failed. This time I got as far > > > > as making the root password. Once I did that I was kicked back to the " > > > > /stand/sysinstall Main Menu". Thinking this must mean I was done I > > > > removed the boot floppy and the CD and rebooted. I was greeted with > > > > "boot error". > > > > > > > > I am extremely tired of anything FreeBSD at the moment ! > > > > > > > > I love my Apple Powerbook G3 even more now, > > > > > > > > James > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > > > not sure about the former. > > > -Albert Einstein. > > > 1879-1955. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > not sure about the former. > -Albert Einstein. > 1879-1955. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 18:21:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.mia.bellsouth.net (mail1.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B186837B661 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:21:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail1.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id VAA14303 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39458C98.CE73436@bellsouth.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:21:28 -0400 From: Bob Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Error Code 1 on make depend Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I hope this is the correct place to post this question. I have installed the src tree for the kernel and am trying to build a custom kernel. I am using FBSD stable 3.2. I have edited a copy of the kernel config file and run the config. Then I cd to the compile directory. I then proceed to "make depend" which it completes with no complaints. Then when I issue the "make" it runs for a few minutes and stops with "*** Error code 1". Where can I find what the error code means? My apologies if I should be posting this elsewhere. TIA. Bob Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 18:56:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7814537B8D6 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:56:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 84366 invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2000 01:56:25 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 84320 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2000 01:56:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.89) by slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 01:56:24 -0000 Message-ID: <394593ED.7278E04C@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:52:45 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: James Diefenderfer , Jerry Dunham , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B <05c401bfd4cd$52956590$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Young wrote: > Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid > proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first > starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've > already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a week. > > The ones I've struck recently > came with really evil > componentry like unbranded internal winmodems & network cards, SiS > videocards etc, so-I'm glad someone else shares my views on these cards. 8^) > they are top of my "avoid at any price" list. I've used a lot of HP gear and > found the company > support (at least in OZ) extremely good, but they are slipping badly with > current range of > computers.- You might want to add NEC to this list. I had such a hard time > with my NEC PowerMate v133 at work, that I had to abandon my Linux partition I > had on it. I could barely get NT 4.0 to work with the on board SiS 6205 video > card. The sound card was a fight too but less of one than the video. Oh > well, I'm finally cured of the "dual-boot" disease. Heh Heh.. > --------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  

Doug Young wrote:

Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid
proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a week.
 
 The ones I've struck recently
came with really evil
componentry like unbranded internal winmodems & network cards, SiS
videocards etc, so-I'm glad someone else shares my views on these cards. 8^)
they are top of my "avoid at any price" list. I've used a lot of HP gear and
found the company
support (at least in OZ) extremely good, but they are slipping badly with
current range of
computers.- You might want to add NEC to this list.  I had such a hard time with my NEC PowerMate v133 at work, that I had to abandon my Linux partition I had on it.  I could barely get NT 4.0 to work with the on board SiS 6205 video card.  The sound card was a fight too but less of one than the video.  Oh well, I'm finally cured of the "dual-boot" disease.  Heh Heh..
 
--------------90A5F931E5122B97A3557198-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 19:12:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6842A37B84C; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:12:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA24887; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:10:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdW24885; Tue Jun 13 12:10:24 2000 Message-ID: <061b01bfd4dc$b7aee7d0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Joe Warner" Cc: "James Diefenderfer" , "Jerry Dunham" , , "Greg Lehey" , "Wes Peters" , "Michael Smith" , "Sue Blake" , References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:11:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a week. Exactly ...... which is why I intend to do a hardware HOW_NOT_TO as soon as time is available. Might save some poor mugs having to go through all the trauma You might want to add NEC to this list. I had such a hard time with my NEC PowerMate v133 at work, that I had to abandon my Linux partition I had on it. I could barely get NT 4.0 to work with the on board SiS 6205 video card. The sound card was a fight too but less of one than the video. Oh well, I'm finally cured of the "dual-boot" disease. Heh Heh.. Will do :) ..... the only reason NEC wasn't on the list already is that I haven't seen one of those things in desktop format in ten years ....maybe we don't get them in OZ anymore (the last one I saw was an XT or 286, which proved the theory that neanderthal computers were powered by smoke ..... when smoke stopped coming out the box refused to work !!). I guess there must be a purpose in life of SiS videocards .... maybe someone will tell me what it is someday. As for the dreaded "dual boot" disease, I'm lucky enough to have never been infected by that .... even in the days when I was attempting to get some sense out of that linux virus I kept strictly to the "one O/S per hard drive" philosophy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 19:34:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A557737B7D6; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@worldly.org) Received: from worldly.org (ip61.salt-lake-city18.ut.pub-ip.psi.net [38.36.16.61]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06737; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39459DD5.4F910D35@worldly.org> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:35:05 -0600 From: James Diefenderfer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: Joe Warner , Jerry Dunham , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B <061b01bfd4dc$b7aee7d0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i asked, several people on this eMail list, and read ALOT before i thought about trying to install FreeBSD on this Dell Latitude LM. Several people told me they had it working with no problem and several "Hardware list" listed this laptop as one that could handle FreeBSD ! Doug Young wrote: > Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid > proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first > starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've > already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a > week. -- James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jun 12 20:10:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112F337B978; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA25432; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:08:59 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdp25430; Tue Jun 13 13:08:56 2000 Message-ID: <064201bfd4e4$e5167730$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "James Diefenderfer" Cc: "Joe Warner" , "Jerry Dunham" , , "Greg Lehey" , "Wes Peters" , "Michael Smith" , "Sue Blake" , References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:10:09 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G'day James :) Hey I'm certainly no expert on this stuff, but there's no way I'd even try installing ANY unix in a laptop unless it used really basic videocard / soundcard /network card etc. For some reason laptop designers seem to feel its obligatory to dredge up the weirdest bits for their products .... certainly all the ones I've looked at had oddball rubbish componentry like SiS video, unknown weirdo soundcards, & something like those "broken even when new" RealTek NIC's, etc etc that are difficult enough to get working properly even in Win98 !!!! I guess a lot depends on ones philosophy ..... if you are like certain geeks of my acquaintance you may well appreciate a challenge, however what I want most times is the simplest possible way to get the thing working properly. Lots of things are probably "do-able" by experts, but virtually impossible for newbies. Whilst I do occasionally "have a go" at installations in borderline machines, 90% of the time its just not worth the aggro .... far easier to assemble a system with nice standard (and easily obtainable) bits like Intel CPU, S3 / ATI video, SB16 sound, SMC / 3-com / Intel NIC that work in virtually all operating systems. Other bits *might* work, but the only way to know is put the time in & see what happens. I'm usually very short on time so as far as I'm concerned those el junko taiwanese garbage generic disasters are best left in the shop. I thought there was a hardware compatibility list somewhere ..... or was it just a list of suggested bits & pieces by one of the FreeBSD guru's (Jordan himself as I recall)?? ... whatever it is / was I'm certain it contained well known breeds of components. My only objection was the recommendation for Matrox videocards, and that simply because (at least in OZ) one needs to mortgage the house to buy one. I've found ATI ones give virtually the same result at something like 20% of the cost. > i asked, several people on this eMail list, and read ALOT before i thought > about trying to install FreeBSD on this Dell Latitude LM. Several people told > me they had it working with no problem and several "Hardware list" listed this > laptop as one that could handle FreeBSD ! > > > Doug Young wrote: > > > > > Weird isn't ?? ...... I think its probably best that newbies avoid > > proprietory hardware generally- I agree but sometimes, when you're first > > starting out, it's hard to know you've got proprietory hardware until you've > > already pounded your head against a wall and pulled your hair out for a > > week. > > -- > James > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 7:50:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from coimbra.oss.uswest.net (coimbra.oss.uswest.net [209.180.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339A037BB19 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:50:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: from localhost (IDENT:nitebirdz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coimbra.oss.uswest.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06427; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:51:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:51:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Nitebirdz X-Sender: nitebirdz@coimbra.oss.uswest.net To: Hyun Gu Kang Cc: newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a proxy server In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000611145125.00aa88b0@ews.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Hyun Gu Kang wrote: > > If anyone has used VMware (virtual machine-can emulate your computer on top > of your OS so you can run multiple OS at the same time)? Do you think it > would be possible to somehow install it and run W98 on top of it and run > that proxy client program to be able to connect to the internet? > > Sincerely > > Hyun Gu :) To be honest, I never tried vmware (at least not yet), but according to what I read each one of the virtual systems that you set up has its own network interfaces. Basically, that would mean that the Win98 virtual system would have a different network interface than the FreeBSD box it is running on. Why don't you try getting an old 486, installing FreeBSD on it and setting it up as an internet gateway to use instead the Win98 box? I understand you're leaving the place soon, but if it works I see no reason why your roommates should oppose it... and it certainly does rock on FreeBSD. Just an idea. -- Nitebirdz http://www.linuxnovice.org Tips, articles, news, links... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 8:24:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from coimbra.oss.uswest.net (coimbra.oss.uswest.net [209.180.20.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BA737BEEF for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nitebirdz@uswest.net) Received: from localhost (IDENT:nitebirdz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by coimbra.oss.uswest.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06660; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:25:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:25:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Nitebirdz X-Sender: nitebirdz@coimbra.oss.uswest.net To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Advocacy... In-Reply-To: <394525C6.F3C84C5@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, David Johnson wrote: > Okay folks, opinion time! > > What's the best way to counter the continual FUD that the GPL protects > software better than the BSD license? It's starting to annoy me that so > many pundits point to a mere license as the sole reason why Linux is > better than FreeBSD. My guess is that if they didn't focus on the > license, they would have to focus on the software and sadly conclude > that Linux is not necessarily superior to FreeBSD, Solaris or other > quality unices. > Difficult to counter. I agree with the view. The BSD does not protect the community from witnessing a major corporatin virtually hijacking the code. As a matter of fact, nothing stops Microsoft from doing precisely that. I know, I know, some people say that the day that happens we will have won. Wrong. The day that happens, Microsoft will have a kick ass stable, reliable and efficient operating system that they can change to their own pleasure without giving back to the community they took it from. > This FUD seems to have ramped up considerably since the > Microsoft/Kerberos affair. One of the most persistant statements is "the > GPL prevents people from stealing the code". Another common one that > always raises my hackles is "the Linux kernel succeeded where BSD did > not because of the GPL." Not only is this a subtle insult to the Linux > coders, it also implies that the BSDs have failed. And then there was > the email sent to my private address: "would you please release you > software under the GPL so that I can use it?". > Agree that is simply stupid. I mean the "would you please release your software under the GPL so that I can use it?" request, because the one where you say that "the GPL prevents people from stealing the code" is totally true... at least as far as these licenses are legally enforceable. > We know that FreeBSD is not inferior to Linux. We know that the BSD > license is 100% free. We know that different needs means different > licenses. But how do we get this message out, and how do we get it out > without denigrating Linux and the GPL at the same time? I have been > correcting some of these misconceptions as I find them in various Linux > forums, but I'm not sure that this is even useful or productive. > > Opinions? > > David > > I suppose the same way the license has disadvantages for companies such as SGI or IBM, since other companies could clearly take advantage of their code it also has advantages for other companies. For example, a given company may be interested in building some customized version of FreeBSD for their own purposes that they can sell under their own terms. That is simply not possible with the GPL license. Perhaps that is where the BSD advocates should center their attention. -- Nitebirdz http://www.linuxnovice.org Tips, articles, news, links... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 8:53:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2742737BED5 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 131t05-00015R-00; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:53:13 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:53:13 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Nitebirdz Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Advocacy... Message-ID: <20000613175313.A3973@mithrandr.moria.org> Reply-To: nbm@mithrandr.moria.org References: <394525C6.F3C84C5@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from nitebirdz@uswest.net on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 10:25:56AM -0500 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue 2000-06-13 (10:25), Nitebirdz wrote: > Difficult to counter. I agree with the view. The BSD does not protect > the community from witnessing a major corporatin virtually hijacking the > code. As a matter of fact, nothing stops Microsoft from doing precisely > that. I know, I know, some people say that the day that happens we will > have won. Wrong. The day that happens, Microsoft will have a kick ass > stable, reliable and efficient operating system that they can change to > their own pleasure without giving back to the community they took it from. If you write something under BSD license, anyone can benefit from it. If you write something under GPL license, only people who use GPL products can benefit from it. If Microsoft uses the code, then all the users of Microsoft products benefit from it. That's great. Also, Microsoft will have used tried and tested code, and needn't have, possibly incorrectly, reinvented the wheel. They can concentrate on other matters, like GUI design and dynamics, or whatever they do. They're going to mess with standards whether they implement it, or if other people implement it. > Agree that is simply stupid. I mean the "would you please release your > software under the GPL so that I can use it?" request, because the one > where you say that "the GPL prevents people from stealing the code" is > totally true... at least as far as these licenses are legally enforceable. The GPL prevents people from using your code in anything but GPL products. That's it's aim. It's up to you to decide if this is an advantage or a disadvantage. > For example, a given company may be interested in building some > customized version of FreeBSD for their own purposes that they can > sell under their own terms. That is simply not possible with the GPL > license. Perhaps that is where the BSD advocates should center their > attention. The advantage of the BSD license is simply that anyone can use it for any purpose, with the proviso that the author is exempt from any legal repercussions of releasing the code. (ie, they can't blame the author if the program does something weird.) Also, it doesn't make sense for companies to release certain types of code under GPL. Extensions to that code are not available to the company under any license but GPL, and thus they can't reimplement them into their closed non-GPL system. I believe that's what the MPL/NPL was created. Reply-To set to myself, since I'd prefer not to have yet another license war. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 10:49:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AFB37BF79 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA45A7; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:50:47 -0700 Message-ID: <39467399.71178813@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 10:47:05 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nitebirdz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD Advocacy... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nitebirdz wrote: > Difficult to counter. I agree with the view. The BSD does not protect > the community from witnessing a major corporatin virtually hijacking the > code. As a matter of fact, nothing stops Microsoft from doing precisely > that. I know, I know, some people say that the day that happens we will > have won. Wrong. The day that happens, Microsoft will have a kick ass > stable, reliable and efficient operating system that they can change to > their own pleasure without giving back to the community they took it from. There's always one bad apple in the barrel, and in the software world, that bad apple is Microsoft. One *good* apple is Apple, who has given back. > Agree that is simply stupid. I mean the "would you please release your > software under the GPL so that I can use it?" request, because the one > where you say that "the GPL prevents people from stealing the code" is > totally true... at least as far as these licenses are legally enforceable. It's the word "steal" that makes me consider this phrase FUD. Redistributing binary-only software does not remove the original software. And there is no copyright infringement. So "steal" is an inappropriate word. I wasn't trying to denigrate the GPL or Linux with my previous post. If that's the impression everyone got, then I'm sorry. I was only trying to counter what I see as a trend towards belittling the BSD license as foolish, naive and inferior. This probably wasn't the right forum, so I'll drop this whole thing right now. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 12:15:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f231.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F70A37C059 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 78144 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2000 19:15:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000613191506.78143.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:15:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: HELP! unbootable due to rc.conf Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:15:06 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi: I forgot to add a quote mark in rc.conf. Now my system will not boot fully. It takes me to a shell prompt from which I can move around the system ("cd") and execute simple commands like "ls" but I can't bring up an editor (I tried vi and ee) and when I tried to use mv to rename rc.conf (thinking that the system would boot with only the settings in /etc/defaults/rc.conf), the system responded that the drive was read-only. What can I do to get my system booting properly again? John ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 12:26:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3480937C080; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:26:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ust@cert.siemens.de) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: ust@cert.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail2.siemens.de (mail2.siemens.de [139.25.208.11]) by david.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5DJQ5R05094; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:26:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mars.cert.siemens.de (ust.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.201.17]) by mail2.siemens.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5DJQ5M18616; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:26:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.cert.siemens.de (reims.mchp.siemens.de [139.23.202.134]) by mars.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/Siemens CERT [ $Revision: 1.8 ]) with ESMTP id e5DJQ5n10144; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:26:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ust@localhost) by alaska.cert.siemens.de (8.10.2/8.10.2/alaska [ $Revision: 1.4 ]) id e5DJQ4m03337; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:26:04 GMT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:26:04 +0200 From: Udo Schweigert To: John Daniels Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HELP! unbootable due to rc.conf Message-ID: <20000613212604.A3284@alaska.cert.siemens.de> References: <20000613191506.78143.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000613191506.78143.qmail@hotmail.com>; from jmd526@hotmail.com on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 03:15:06PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 15:15:06 -0400, John Daniels wrote: > Hi: > > I forgot to add a quote mark in rc.conf. Now my system will not boot fully. > It takes me to a shell prompt from which I can move around the system > ("cd") and execute simple commands like "ls" but I can't bring up an editor > (I tried vi and ee) and when I tried to use mv to rename rc.conf (thinking > that the system would boot with only the settings in /etc/defaults/rc.conf), > the system responded that the drive was read-only. > # mount -a (or minimal: mount /; mount /usr) # vi /etc/rc.conf Regards -- Udo Schweigert, Siemens AG | Voice : +49 89 636 42170 ZT IK 3, Siemens CERT | Fax : +49 89 636 41166 D-81730 Muenchen / Germany | email : ust@cert.siemens.de PGP-2/5 fingerprint | D8 A5 DF 34 EC 87 E8 C6 E2 26 C4 D0 EE 80 36 B2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 12:36:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from corinth.bossig.com (corinth.bossig.com [208.26.239.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB0D37BFBE; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@3-cities.com) Received: from 3-cities.com (unverified [208.26.241.135]) by corinth.bossig.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:37:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39468D51.58991339@3-cities.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:36:49 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Organization: BOSSig (BOSS Internet Group) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Daniels Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP! unbootable due to rc.conf References: <20000613191506.78143.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Daniels wrote: > > Hi: > > I forgot to add a quote mark in rc.conf. Now my system will not boot fully. > It takes me to a shell prompt from which I can move around the system > ("cd") and execute simple commands like "ls" but I can't bring up an editor > (I tried vi and ee) and when I tried to use mv to rename rc.conf (thinking > that the system would boot with only the settings in /etc/defaults/rc.conf), > the system responded that the drive was read-only. > > What can I do to get my system booting properly again? You have to mount /. The last time I did this was 3 or 4 weeks ago and a "mount -a" in single user mode worked. Then you correct your rc.conf error. I rebooted at this point. Kent > > John > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kstewart@3-cities.com http://www.3-cities.com/~kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ SETI(Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence) @ HOME http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 13:57:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rider.dunham.org (rider.dunham.org [207.170.123.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A2E37C0B4; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 13:57:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dunham@dunham.org) Received: (from dunham@localhost) by rider.dunham.org (8.8.8/8.7.3) id PAA22649; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:55:18 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <20000613155451.L22659@rider.dunham.org> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:54:51 -0500 From: Jerry Dunham To: Doug Young Cc: Joe Warner , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Wes Peters , Michael Smith , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, James Diefenderfer Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B <064201bfd4e4$e5167730$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1i In-Reply-To: <064201bfd4e4$e5167730$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER>; from Doug Young on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 01:10:09PM +1000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD rider.dunham.org 2.2.6-RELEASE FreeBSD 2.2.6-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 13 June 2000 at 13:10:09 +1000, Doug Young wrote: > G'day James :) > > Hey I'm certainly no expert on this stuff, but there's no way I'd even try > installing > ANY unix in a laptop unless it used really basic videocard / soundcard > /network > card etc. For some reason laptop designers seem to feel its obligatory to > dredge up > the weirdest bits for their products .... certainly all the ones I've looked > at had > oddball rubbish componentry like SiS video, unknown weirdo soundcards, & > something like those "broken even when new" RealTek NIC's, etc etc that > are > difficult enough to get working properly even in Win98 !!!! > > I guess a lot depends on ones philosophy ..... if you are like certain geeks > of my > acquaintance you may well appreciate a challenge, however what I want most > times > is the simplest possible way to get the thing working properly. > > Lots of things are probably "do-able" by experts, but virtually impossible > for newbies. > Whilst I do occasionally "have a go" at installations in borderline > machines, 90% of the > time its just not worth the aggro .... far easier to assemble a system with > nice standard > (and easily obtainable) bits like Intel CPU, S3 / ATI video, SB16 sound, SMC > / > 3-com / Intel NIC that work in virtually all operating systems. Other bits > *might* work, > but the only way to know is put the time in & see what happens. I'm usually > very short > on time so as far as I'm concerned those el junko taiwanese garbage generic > disasters > are best left in the shop. > > I thought there was a hardware compatibility list somewhere ..... or was it > just a list > of suggested bits & pieces by one of the FreeBSD guru's (Jordan himself as I > recall)?? > ... whatever it is / was I'm certain it contained well known breeds of > components. My > only objection was the recommendation for Matrox videocards, and that simply > because > (at least in OZ) one needs to mortgage the house to buy one. I've found ATI > ones give > virtually the same result at something like 20% of the cost. FWIW, Dell notebooks have historically used a lot of the very components you seem to like, though you might need to be careful to make sure a particular one has the combination you need. Until recently most Dells used NeoMagic video (once a problem, but no longer), but they've been switching over to ATI. SoundBlaster audio was replaced by some Crystal Audio thing, though I think I saw a third supplier recently. SMC and 3COM NICs have been typical for the built-in E-net in docks. Non-PCMCIA E-net in the notebook itself has not been available in Dells, though that has recently changed for the Inspiron line. I know less about them, but I believe Fujitsu and at least some IBM note- books are FreeBSD-friendly as well from what I've heard. I've read a lot of problem stories involving Compaq notebooks. Considering their mixed parentage, I'd expect HP notebooks to be a mixed bag. At least some Sonys seem to work well with FreeBSD, but I've read too little about Gateway to hazard a guess. One that's guaranteed NOT to work with FreeBSD is the iBook. :-) -- Jerry Dunham FreeBSD (512)335-0674 (H) jdunham@fc.net jerry@dunham.org To vacillate, or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 15:36:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from flashmail.com (flash1.flashmail.com [207.173.216.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C0CC37B506 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlu@flashmail.com) Received: from elite ([209.183.128.58]) by flashmail.com ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:38:06 -0700 Message-ID: <005301bfd5a1$056acec0$3a80b7d1@elite> From: "tyf0n3" To: Subject: hostname Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:36:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am using FreeBSD 3.2, when I boot up, how do i change the default hostname (myname.my.domain) to what I want? I tried hostname -s myhost but that doesn't work the next time i boot. -- r00t3d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 15:57:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hellasnet.gr (mail.hellasnet.gr [212.54.192.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156F637BB60 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:57:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (ppp2.patr.hellasnet.gr [212.54.197.17]) by mail.hellasnet.gr (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA25976; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:56:14 +0200 (GMT) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e5EMwf106099; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:58:41 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:58:41 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: tyf0n3 Cc: freebsd-NewBies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hostname Message-ID: <20000615015841.A5993@hades.hell.gr> References: <005301bfd5a1$056acec0$3a80b7d1@elite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <005301bfd5a1$056acec0$3a80b7d1@elite>; from tlu@flashmail.com on Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 06:36:51PM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 06:36:51PM -0700, tyf0n3 wrote: > I am using FreeBSD 3.2, when I boot up, how do i change the default hostname > (myname.my.domain) to what I want? I tried hostname -s myhost but that > doesn't work the next time i boot. You have to change the hostname in /etc/rc.conf too to make it keep it's value across reboots. If your /etc/rc.conf does not contain the proper line, copy it from /etc/defaults/rc.conf and edit it *only* in /etc/rc.conf ... do NOT change /etc/defaults/rc.conf :) -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > For my public key: finger keramida@ceid.upatras.gr To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 16:35:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8DB37BE86; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:35:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA08198; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:33:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "ROADRUNNER" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdWn8196; Wed Jun 14 09:33:19 2000 Message-ID: <014601bfd58f$f30872c0$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> From: "Doug Young" To: "Jerry Dunham" Cc: "\"Joe Warner\"" , , "\"Greg Lehey\"" , "\"Wes Peters\"" , "\"Michael Smith\"" , "\"Sue Blake\"" , , "\"James Diefenderfer\"" References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:34:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.5600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org G'day Jerry Its not that I have a particular affiliation with any specific company or products, I simply don't have the time, patience or inclination to mess with things that don't work properly. Other than the list that Jordan made up a while back, there doesn't appear to be much in the way of newbie warnings about troublesome hardware, so thats where the matter of a hardware HOW_NOT_TO originated. Its worth finding the time to prepare even if only to minimize the "help" calls the support folk in Apana receive. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jun 13 16:45:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C0737B6A2 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:45:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (ip83.salt-lake-city9.ut.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.167.83]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA19746; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:43:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <3946C71B.A65FDBD0@softweyr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:43:23 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Dunham Cc: Doug Young , Joe Warner , cal@rushe.aero.org, Greg Lehey , Sue Blake , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, James Diefenderfer Subject: Re: Still No FreeBSD References: <200006100634.XAA15122@calamari.aero.org> <20000610202611.H22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942F563.9613BCE7@worldly.org> <20000610212117.N22659@rider.dunham.org> <3942FA1C.68246759@worldly.org> <20000610213641.P22659@rider.dunham.org> <3943EB0B.CB3B <064201bfd4e4$e5167730$847e03cb@ROADRUNNER> <20000613155451.L22659@rider.dunham.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jerry Dunham wrote: > > I know less about them, but I believe Fujitsu and at least some IBM note- > books are FreeBSD-friendly as well from what I've heard. Most recent ThinkPads seem to work adequately, modulo sound support in some cases. > I've read a lot > of problem stories involving Compaq notebooks. Considering their mixed > parentage, I'd expect HP notebooks to be a mixed bag. At least some > Sonys seem to work well with FreeBSD, but I've read too little about > Gateway to hazard a guess. The Sony PCG-F series and the 505's all seem to work relatively well with FreeBSD. Even the sound is supported as of 4.0. At FreeBSDCon last year, the laptops in the terminal room included: o Librettos, almost exclusively Japanese users o Dell, mostly Latitudes o IBM ThinkPads, ranging from 386 to PII. The percentag of ThinkPad users NOT running X seemed higher than other makes o Sony PCG-F (the big ones) o Sony 505 (the little ones) The Sonys were the most numerous, followed by about equal numbers of Dell and IBM. This was just observation, not a survey, so take it with a grain of salt. > One that's guaranteed NOT to work with FreeBSD is the iBook. :-) But you can get OS X for that. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 3:42:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D3037C140 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:39:51 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: newbies@freebsd.org Cc: 'Hyun Gu Kang' Subject: RE: using a proxy server Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:39:50 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I live at a house with about 10 other people; we have an ISDN line > and a proxy server for the household, Right now we use a program > called "Wingate" which acts as a proxy server and a firewall. > Under Win98 each of the client computers use a "wingate client" > rather than the normal proxy settings. That means my FreeBSD > computer as of right now can't connect to the internet (I dual boot > W98 and FreeBSD). Does anyone know a way to get around this? Here, we had wingate on one of our servers (just temporary; we use a satellite card which had drivers only for w98 - just imagine an '98 playing as "server"), and i could get my fbsd online, but only with netscape. Just say in edit/preferences what is your proxy server, and it should work. For anything else other than netscape, i have no idea. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 3:42:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5537A37C150 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:42:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:56:30 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: freebsd-newbies@frEEbSd.oRg Cc: 'Some Person' Subject: RE: Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD - Tripple Boot...? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:56:29 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What's the order, and/or process to tripple boot Win98, Win2k > and FreeBSD? I > need 98 (peice of *#@$@#% @#%@#) for games, Win2k to try out, > and FreeBSD > for all my other server services. > > I just don't know how to get them all in the boot manager, or > what order I > would need to do them in, as well as what boot manager I > should use, and > when to apply it. Well, i use a triple boot (w98-for testing, w2k-for work and fbsd-for really fun). I don't use the fbsd boot manager (since before it, i had linux). First, I've installed '98, than w2k. So, the dual boot 98-2k is solved by the ntloader. After this, I've installed boot magic and it works just fine. Every time I add or remove an OS (linux or bsd), it detect changes. So, the boot magic have 2 options: "Win2k/98" that start ntldr, and "FreeBsd" that start bsd. A, btw, just a trick: i have a 20mb FAT partition ("c:"), on which the boot magic is installed. So, if i just decide that i dont' need the '98 or 2k partitions, i can remove them. Good luck. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 5:29:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D6D837B679 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 05:29:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 88285 invoked by alias); 14 Jun 2000 12:29:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 88246 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2000 12:29:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.200) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Jun 2000 12:29:41 -0000 Message-ID: <394779DB.E70A5948@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:26:03 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Problems with CD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0694257AE8C5478AB2C0509C" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------0694257AE8C5478AB2C0509C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I installed FreeBSD 3.4 the other day on a Compaq Deskpro at work and everything went great or so I thought. Yesterday, I was using /stand/sysinstall to install some packages included in the CD ROM set but when I selected CD ROM as media type, I got an error message saying "CD ROM device not found". I don't understand this. When I installed FreeBSD, I booted from the CD ROM, so it recognized it then. I can also mount CDs using "mount /dev/acd0c" and can browse the contents of each CD with the file manager or terminal. In /etc/fstab the CD is listed as /dev/acd0c ISO9660. The CD ROM is a PCI. Do I have to compile support for it into the kernel? Please send all responses to joe.warner@smed.com, so I can read them at work today. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks. Joe -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. --------------0694257AE8C5478AB2C0509C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I installed FreeBSD 3.4 the other day on a Compaq Deskpro at work and everything went great or so I thought.  Yesterday, I was using /stand/sysinstall to install some packages included in the CD ROM set but when I selected CD ROM as media type, I got an error message saying "CD ROM device not found".  I don't understand this.  When I installed FreeBSD, I booted from the CD ROM, so it recognized it then.  I can also mount CDs using "mount /dev/acd0c" and can browse the contents of each CD with the file manager or terminal.  In /etc/fstab the CD is listed as /dev/acd0c ISO9660.  The CD ROM is a PCI.  Do I have to compile support for it into the kernel?  Please send all responses to joe.warner@smed.com, so I can read them at work today.  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks.  Joe
 

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  --------------0694257AE8C5478AB2C0509C-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 7:21:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0C337B68F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:21:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A6EA3F2E0106; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:30:02 -0700 Message-ID: <39479542.468F8798@wiegand.org> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:22:58 -0700 From: chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stefan KORONKA Cc: freebsd-newbies@frEEbSd.oRg, 'Some Person' Subject: Re: Win98, Win2k and FreeBSD - Tripple Boot...? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I had been triple booting win98, linux, FBSD using the boot manager OBSB, it's in the ports. Now I just boot FBSD and on very rare ocassion winblows, linux is gone. OBSB will find all the boot partitions and give you a chance to name then whatever you want for a boot menu. Chip www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems Stefan KORONKA wrote: > > What's the order, and/or process to tripple boot Win98, Win2k > > and FreeBSD? I > > need 98 (peice of *#@$@#% @#%@#) for games, Win2k to try out, > > and FreeBSD > > for all my other server services. > > > > I just don't know how to get them all in the boot manager, or > > what order I > > would need to do them in, as well as what boot manager I > > should use, and > > when to apply it. > > Well, i use a triple boot (w98-for testing, w2k-for work and > fbsd-for really fun). I don't use the fbsd boot manager (since > before it, i had linux). First, I've installed '98, than w2k. > So, the dual boot 98-2k is solved by the ntloader. After this, > I've installed boot magic and it works just fine. Every time I add > or remove an OS (linux or bsd), it detect changes. So, the boot > magic have 2 options: "Win2k/98" that start ntldr, and "FreeBsd" > that start bsd. > > A, btw, just a trick: i have a 20mb FAT partition ("c:"), on which > the boot magic is installed. So, if i just decide that i dont' > need the '98 or 2k partitions, i can remove them. > > Good luck. > > Stefan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 7:45:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.san.rr.com (smtp1.san.rr.com [24.25.195.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC23537B99E for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lucas@san.rr.com) Received: from pokerizer.san.rr.com ([204.210.19.124]) by smtp1.san.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-0U10L2S100V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:45:45 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000614073627.00a959c0@pop-server.san.rr.com> X-Sender: lucas@pop-server.san.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:45:22 -0700 To: Nitebirdz From: Lucas Silacci Subject: Re: using a proxy server Cc: Hyun Gu Kang , newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000611145125.00aa88b0@ews.uiuc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > If anyone has used VMware (virtual machine-can emulate your computer on > top > > of your OS so you can run multiple OS at the same time)? Do you think it > > would be possible to somehow install it and run W98 on top of it and run > > that proxy client program to be able to connect to the internet? > > > >Why don't you try getting an old 486, installing FreeBSD on it and setting >it up as an internet gateway to use instead the Win98 box? I understand >you're leaving the place soon, but if it works I see no reason why your >roommates should oppose it... and it certainly does rock on FreeBSD. Just >an idea. I second this motion! I just helped a friend setup a private LAN with only windoze 98 boxes. We attempted to use WinGate, but that failed miserably when we tried to install the client piece on each of the boxes. We finally got the thing working after ripping out WinGate and installing WinProxy instead (that does not require any software installed on the clients), but the whole thing took us six hours to complete (most of that being reboots all over the place!). I tried to convince my friend to get another box and install FreeBSD on it, but he didn't want to invest the time or money on it, plus he's not UNIX-savvy so the learning curve probably would have been a little steep. Anyway, if you don't want to go the FreeBSD route, then I recommend you try and use WinProxy instead of WinGate because it doesn't require any software on the clients and therefore any box you want to install behind the server should work (Win, MAC, or *NIX). The only thing I wonder about is the performance the server (or clients) will see using something like that on Win boxes. Seems like Windows has enough problems loading the GUI sometimes, let alone doing NAT for 4 other windows boxes.... -Lucas -- "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -- Edgar Allan Poe Lucas Silacci lucas@san.rr.com lucas.silacci@sandiegoca.ncr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 7:46:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nottingham.ac.uk (pat.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk [128.243.40.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF3F37C1DC for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:46:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from psyrawt@nottingham.ac.uk) Received: from gotham.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.40.48] helo=unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk) by nottingham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 132EQ8-0001iM-00 for newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:45:32 +0100 Received: from granby ([128.243.40.43] helo=granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk) by unix.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.11 #2) id 132ERC-0002r8-00 for newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:46:38 +0100 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:46:33 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Tulloch X-Sender: psyrawt@granby.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: postfix as a backup mx Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could anyone tell me what I need to do to make postfix perform as a backup mx for a domain? Thanks Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 8: 1:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ms1.meiway.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E9737C20F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 08:01:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lconrad@Go2France.com) Received: from sv.Go2France.com [212.73.210.79] by ms1.meiway.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A047EE3C0116; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:09:59 +0200 Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000614165305.0226f700@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: lconrad%Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 16:57:04 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: postfix as a backup mx In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org mydomain.com. MX 10 mymail.mydomain.com mydomain.com. MX 20 postfix.mydomain.com In main.cf, from http://postfix.eu.org/uce.html "permit_mx_backup = yes Permit the request when the local mail system is MX host for the resolved destination. This includes the case that the local mail system is the final destination. However, the SMTP server will not forward mail with addresses that have sender-specified routing information (example: user@elsewhere@domain)" Len =============== >Could anyone tell me what I need to do to make postfix perform as a backup >mx for a domain? > >Thanks >Andrew > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 19: 3:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E9A537BDBB for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:03:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 54634 invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2000 02:03:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 53116 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2000 02:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.224) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 02:02:46 -0000 Message-ID: <3948386B.68C4E877@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:59:07 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: FreeBSD at work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and was put into action today where I work. As I said in a previous email, I installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 (266mhz) machine the other day and the install went without a hitch. I gave it a dedicated IP address and got an Apache v1.3 web server going and an FTP server. I've been tasked with managing our local intranet and plan on using the FreeBSD machine as a test bed for comparing cost, stability and performance to other web servers on different platforms like NT and OS/400. I think it's already won the cost comparison. I created a home page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, that are currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I couldn't believe the difference in speed! Accessing the databases through my Apache server is a lot faster than using the notes client! The pages look a lot better in HTML than the old boring flat database style you see when using the notes client. Anyway, I gave my managers a demonstration and they were pretty impressed. I think this is just the beginning. I don't think I'm going to have a problem of finding ways to justify the use of FreeBSD where I work anymore. FreeBSD rocks!! 8^) Joe -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jun 14 19:13:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from thor.hom.net (thor.hom.net [216.46.32.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE8537B6E1 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdfergus@hom.net) Received: from kim (pm3-1-user-39.mgv.hom.net [216.46.37.39]) by thor.hom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e5F2Dxe07559 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:13:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "cdf" To: Subject: RE: using a proxy server Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:11:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfd66f$10e329e0$4f0aa8c0@ku4oy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000614073627.00a959c0@pop-server.san.rr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Option 3(or whichever) purchase a SOHO dial-up or DSL routers. This will work when you are gone and there is no technical guru to deal with either proxy software(s) or BSD. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Lucas Silacci Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:45 To: Nitebirdz Cc: Hyun Gu Kang; newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: using a proxy server > > > > If anyone has used VMware (virtual machine-can emulate your computer on > top > > of your OS so you can run multiple OS at the same time)? Do you think it > > would be possible to somehow install it and run W98 on top of it and run > > that proxy client program to be able to connect to the internet? > > > >Why don't you try getting an old 486, installing FreeBSD on it and setting >it up as an internet gateway to use instead the Win98 box? I understand >you're leaving the place soon, but if it works I see no reason why your >roommates should oppose it... and it certainly does rock on FreeBSD. Just >an idea. I second this motion! I just helped a friend setup a private LAN with only windoze 98 boxes. We attempted to use WinGate, but that failed miserably when we tried to install the client piece on each of the boxes. We finally got the thing working after ripping out WinGate and installing WinProxy instead (that does not require any software installed on the clients), but the whole thing took us six hours to complete (most of that being reboots all over the place!). I tried to convince my friend to get another box and install FreeBSD on it, but he didn't want to invest the time or money on it, plus he's not UNIX-savvy so the learning curve probably would have been a little steep. Anyway, if you don't want to go the FreeBSD route, then I recommend you try and use WinProxy instead of WinGate because it doesn't require any software on the clients and therefore any box you want to install behind the server should work (Win, MAC, or *NIX). The only thing I wonder about is the performance the server (or clients) will see using something like that on Win boxes. Seems like Windows has enough problems loading the GUI sometimes, let alone doing NAT for 4 other windows boxes.... -Lucas -- "All that we see or seem Is but a dream within a dream." -- Edgar Allan Poe Lucas Silacci lucas@san.rr.com lucas.silacci@sandiegoca.ncr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 4:20:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2B937B589 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zackrat@att.net) Received: from kawil.org ([12.78.148.117]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000615083137.CIJD9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@kawil.org> for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:31:37 +0000 From: zack r To: freebsd newbies Subject: Problem with the libraries. Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 04:20:19 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00061504283000.10622@kawil.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi,. I tried t install the new versions of gnapster and gone-napster; since the instalation from ports failed (first is says 'fetch: .tar.gz: www.faradic.net: HTTP server returned error code 300' and then it exits with *** Error code 1) I downloaded the sources for both of them and both say that : *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the *** full path to gtk-config. configure: error: GTK not installed . The GTK1.2.7 is installed (i'm running freebsd 4.0 stable) but i don't don't know how to specifiy the directory they were installed to during the ./configure phase. Could I please get some help? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 9: 2:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (160-MADR-X50.libre.retevision.es [62.82.52.160]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E25737B516 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sjmudd@pobox.com) Received: by phoenix.ea4els.ampr.org (Postfix, from userid 507) id 0A3DA8385; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:06:57 +0200 (CEST) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: postfix as a backup mx References: <4.3.1.2.20000614165305.0226f700@mail.Go2France.com> From: Simon J Mudd Date: 14 Jun 2000 22:06:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: lconrad@Go2France.com's message of "14 Jun 2000 18:03:38 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.5 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org lconrad@Go2France.com (Len Conrad) writes: > mydomain.com. MX 10 mymail.mydomain.com > mydomain.com. MX 20 postfix.mydomain.com > > In main.cf, from http://postfix.eu.org/uce.html > > "permit_mx_backup = yes > > Permit the request when the local mail system is MX host for the resolved > destination. IMHO you should NOT do it this way. This way ANYONE can define your mail server as a MX host for their domain and you will act as a relay for that domain. This is dangerous. What you should really do is modify relay_domains and explicitly state which domains you want to relay. e.g. relay_domains = $mydomain, clientdomain1.com, clientdomain2.com Regards, Simon -- Simon J Mudd, Madrid SPAIN Tel: +34-91-408 4878 email: sjmudd@pobox.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 9:35:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ida.net (mail.ida.net [204.228.203.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF6A537BC2D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 09:35:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ares@ida.net) Received: (qmail 17009 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2000 16:35:45 -0000 Received: from pm-pt7-10.ida.net (HELO arescomputer) (208.141.165.157) by mail.ida.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 16:35:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001401bfd6ef$e6933c80$9da58dd0@arescomputer> From: "Bryan Otteson" To: "freebsd newbies" References: <00061504283000.10622@kawil.org> Subject: Re: Problem with the libraries. Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:34:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ROFLMAO!!! I get that exact same error trying to configure gnomenetwork1.0.2. I did a find for '*gtk*' and couldn't find anything that looked like a config file that the path wasn't pointing to. We both need help on this on :) me, b ----- Original Message ----- From: "zack r" To: "freebsd newbies" Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 1:20 AM Subject: Problem with the libraries. > Hi,. > I tried t install the new versions of gnapster and gone-napster; since the > instalation from ports failed (first is says 'fetch: .tar.gz: www.faradic.net: > HTTP server returned error code 300' and then it exits with *** Error code 1) > I downloaded the sources for both of them and both say that : > *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found > *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in > *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the > *** full path to gtk-config. > configure: error: GTK not installed . The GTK1.2.7 is installed (i'm running > freebsd 4.0 stable) but i don't don't know how to specifiy the directory they > were installed to during the ./configure phase. Could I please get some help? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 10:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DE7937BC9E for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3697; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:12:40 -0700 Message-ID: <39490DA8.852AC8A9@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:08:56 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zack r Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Problem with the libraries. References: <00061504283000.10622@kawil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org zack r wrote: > > Hi,. > I tried t install the new versions of gnapster and gone-napster; since the > instalation from ports failed (first is says 'fetch: .tar.gz: www.faradic.net: > HTTP server returned error code 300' and then it exits with *** Error code 1) > I downloaded the sources for both of them and both say that : > *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found > *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in > *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the > *** full path to gtk-config. > configure: error: GTK not installed . The GTK1.2.7 is installed (i'm running > freebsd 4.0 stable) but i don't don't know how to specifiy the directory they > were installed to during the ./configure phase. Could I please get some help? The GTK utilities are not installed with their normal GTK names when you use ports. I writing this from a Solaris machine, or I would go look and see what the names were. You can find out by checking the diffs in ports. I do recall that the names were very similar, something like gtk-1.2.7-config or thereabouts. I would make a link from gtk-config to the installed binary. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 10:45:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from d135.p6.col.ru (d135.p6.col.ru [212.248.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 847FE37BD1E; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prettylady@freemail.ru) From: To: Date: ×ò, 15 èŝí 2000 20:43:24 +0400 Message-ID: <14353557731401516@d135.p6.col.ru> Subject: Hi, its for you ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! We are Russian girls - Natali, Alla, Vika. We would like to correspond with you. Visit our site and see our photos. http://www.russiangirls.narod.ru/ With interest, Natali,Alla, Vika. P.S. (This is not spam. You can unsubscribe at any time by sending an email to prettylady@freemail.ru with the subject UNSUBSCRIBE.) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 10:52:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFEDA37C3B4 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-221-217.s598.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.221.217] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132doI-00047U-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: <001301bfd6f2$889d40a0$d9dd7ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: spam Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:52:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i have been getting alot of spam as a result of this mailing list - or so it seems. the latest is "meet russian girls". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 11:44:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD64937B894 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:44:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:41:26 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: 'leegold' , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: spam Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:41:25 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, i got this too. > i have been getting alot of spam as a result of this mailing > list - or so it > seems. > > the latest is "meet russian girls". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 11:57:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from community.bend.com (www.bend.com [199.2.205.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1DF137B7C4 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:57:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www@community.bend.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by community.bend.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA66909; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from www) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200006151857.LAA66909@community.bend.com> To: Subject: RE: spam From: "samantha" Cc: , MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: bend.com Web Mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, maybe the Spam Gods are trying to tell you guys something. Those Russian girls might be the answer to all your prayers... :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 12: 7:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD39037B7C4 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:07:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA14207; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:06:39 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id MAA14655; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:10:35 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:10:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: samantha Cc: KoronkaS@interscope.ro, goldtech@worldpost.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: spam In-Reply-To: <200006151857.LAA66909@community.bend.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Well, maybe the Spam Gods are trying to tell you guys something. > Those Russian girls might be the answer to all your prayers... Well, having investigated that a few years ago... some of those women are just drop dead gorgeous... If you have the initial Money to meet them, etc, then move 'em over to the States (or other,) it's well worth it. I know a couple of Russian ladies that came to the States as Mail Order Brides, and both are wonderful, personable, and most importantly very intelligent. :) To bad I can't say the same about their husbands...:) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 12:13:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imail3.pica.army.mil (imail3.pica.army.mil [129.139.10.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC6C37BE9D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from onguyen@pica.army.mil) Received: by imail3.pica.army.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:13:46 -0400 Message-ID: <53EB67411602D211846900A0C9C7647A0784E9DA@mail3.pica.army.mil> From: "Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D]" To: 'Rick Hamell' , samantha Cc: KoronkaS@interscope.ro, goldtech@worldpost.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: spam Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:13:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org whoa whoa and whoa make me feel so bad and make me feel Horxxy -----Original Message----- From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@aracnet.com] Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:11 PM To: samantha Cc: KoronkaS@interscope.ro; goldtech@worldpost.com; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: spam > Well, maybe the Spam Gods are trying to tell you guys something. > Those Russian girls might be the answer to all your prayers... Well, having investigated that a few years ago... some of those women are just drop dead gorgeous... If you have the initial Money to meet them, etc, then move 'em over to the States (or other,) it's well worth it. I know a couple of Russian ladies that came to the States as Mail Order Brides, and both are wonderful, personable, and most importantly very intelligent. :) To bad I can't say the same about their husbands...:) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 12:24:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4744D37C350 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:24:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA00997; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:24:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:24:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: "Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D]" Cc: "'Rick Hamell'" , samantha , KoronkaS@interscope.ro, goldtech@worldpost.com, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: spam In-Reply-To: <53EB67411602D211846900A0C9C7647A0784E9DA@mail3.pica.army.mil> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Knock it off. This is a FreeBSD list. Take your crappy discussion offline. - M - On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D] wrote: > whoa > whoa > and whoa > make me feel so bad and make me feel Horxxy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@aracnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:11 PM > To: samantha > Cc: KoronkaS@interscope.ro; goldtech@worldpost.com; > freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: spam > > > > > > Well, maybe the Spam Gods are trying to tell you guys something. > > Those Russian girls might be the answer to all your prayers... > > Well, having investigated that a few years ago... some of those > women are just drop dead gorgeous... If you have the initial Money to meet > them, etc, then move 'em over to the States (or other,) it's well worth > it. > I know a couple of Russian ladies that came to the States as Mail > Order Brides, and both are wonderful, personable, and most importantly > very intelligent. :) To bad I can't say the same about their husbands...:) > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 12:30:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mkefw.ra.rockwell.com (mkefw.ra.rockwell.com [192.94.123.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5FA737BC8B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbenitez@ra.rockwell.com) Received: from ns3.mke.ab.com (ns3.mke.ab.com [130.151.86.191]) by mkefw.ra.rockwell.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09723 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:30:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tinman.mke.ab.com (tinman [130.151.82.17]) by ns3.mke.ab.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24373; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:30:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ra.rockwell.com (dhcp-131-200-50-200.mke.ra.rockwell.com [131.200.50.200]) by tinman.mke.ab.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id OAA02492; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:30:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <39492EDC.559BD79A@ra.rockwell.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:30:36 -0500 From: Satcha Benitez X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org, sbenitez@ra.rockwell.com Subject: Installin FreeBSD 4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, My name is Satcha Benitez and I'm trying to install FreeBSD in a Gateway P5-90. I'm having some problems and i was wondering if you could help me out. This is my first time, although i'm familiar with UNIX. First, i formated the hard drive (i had win95 before) and copied /bin and /manpages from your web site, by using a CR-ROM. I also created the 2 disks, kern.flp and mfsroot.flp. When i boot the computer with the kern.flp disk starts doing some staff and then the computer asks for the mfsroot.flp disk. I insert the disk and the Kernel Configuration Menu pops up. I choose the full-screen visual mode and i get the menu with the active and inactive drivers. I get 8 conflicts so i disable those drivers. Once i hit Q to save and exit i get a bunch of messages and the last one says: "Automatic rebbot in 15 secons..." The computer reboots again BUT i get the message: "Invalid System disk. Replace the disk and then press any key" I'm stuck here. I don't know what to do. I've read all the documentation but nothing. Could you please help me out? I' really appreciate. Thanks a lot. I look forward to hearing from you. Satcha Benitez. sbenitez@ra.rockwell.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 12:43:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sunburst.csfi.com (sunburst.csfi.com [204.1.38.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9789037C1DF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:43:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yong@csfi.com) Received: from yongdell (pc_yong [204.1.38.26]) by sunburst.csfi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id PAA04401; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:41:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Yong Lim" To: "Satcha Benitez" , Subject: RE: Installing FreeBSD 4.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39492EDC.559BD79A@ra.rockwell.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After you see "Automatic reboot in 15 seconds...", did you hit enter or did you power the PC off and back on? From my install last install which was last night, this reboot will just boot into FreeBSD so if you try turning the PC off and on then don't do that. Or just sit there and let the 15 seconds expire. Yong -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Satcha Benitez Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:31 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; sbenitez@ra.rockwell.com Subject: Installin FreeBSD 4.0 Hi, My name is Satcha Benitez and I'm trying to install FreeBSD in a Gateway P5-90. I'm having some problems and i was wondering if you could help me out. This is my first time, although i'm familiar with UNIX. First, i formated the hard drive (i had win95 before) and copied /bin and /manpages from your web site, by using a CR-ROM. I also created the 2 disks, kern.flp and mfsroot.flp. When i boot the computer with the kern.flp disk starts doing some staff and then the computer asks for the mfsroot.flp disk. I insert the disk and the Kernel Configuration Menu pops up. I choose the full-screen visual mode and i get the menu with the active and inactive drivers. I get 8 conflicts so i disable those drivers. Once i hit Q to save and exit i get a bunch of messages and the last one says: "Automatic rebbot in 15 secons..." The computer reboots again BUT i get the message: "Invalid System disk. Replace the disk and then press any key" I'm stuck here. I don't know what to do. I've read all the documentation but nothing. Could you please help me out? I' really appreciate. Thanks a lot. I look forward to hearing from you. Satcha Benitez. sbenitez@ra.rockwell.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 12:53:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A64A37C3D1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:53:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:46:43 -0400 Message-ID: <394934A2.4D2150DF@cstone.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:55:14 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Satcha Benitez Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installin FreeBSD 4.0 References: <39492EDC.559BD79A@ra.rockwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Satcha Benitez wrote: > When i boot the computer with the kern.flp disk starts doing some staff > and then the computer asks for the mfsroot.flp disk. I insert the disk > and the Kernel Configuration Menu pops up. I choose the full-screen > visual mode and i get the menu with the active and inactive drivers. I > get 8 conflicts so i disable those drivers. Once i hit Q to save and > exit i get a bunch of messages and the last one says: "Automatic rebbot > in 15 secons..." The computer reboots again BUT i get the message: > "Invalid System disk. Replace the disk and then press any key" You did take the mfsroot.flp disk out, correct? :-) That'd give you that error as well. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 13:12: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from itgnt1.innovativetec.net (c283817-j.btnrug1.la.home.com [24.13.205.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E4237B749 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:12:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcthomas@mail.com) Received: from Mcthomas (dsmcopo-gw.intersurf.net [216.115.136.37]) by itgnt1.innovativetec.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MZ051NYN; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:41:56 -0500 From: "Mark Thomas" Cc: Subject: RE: spam Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: <7F43265F1A05D411BB420000F8BDC49426ED@USBRG11NTMS001> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7F43265F1A05D411BB420000F8BDC49401050B@USBRG11NTMS001> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK. One Spam message from each of the lists wasn't bad, but the Spam about the Spam is far worse than the original Spam. OK, Look at me, I just made it worse! Lets drop it. MarkT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Marty Poulin Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 2:24 PM To: Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D] Cc: 'Rick Hamell'; samantha; KoronkaS@interscope.ro; goldtech@worldpost.com; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: spam Knock it off. This is a FreeBSD list. Take your crappy discussion offline. - M - On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Nguyen, Olivier T [AMSTA-AR-CCF-D] wrote: > whoa > whoa > and whoa > make me feel so bad and make me feel Horxxy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Hamell [mailto:hamellr@aracnet.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 3:11 PM > To: samantha > Cc: KoronkaS@interscope.ro; goldtech@worldpost.com; > freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: spam > > > > > > Well, maybe the Spam Gods are trying to tell you guys something. > > Those Russian girls might be the answer to all your prayers... > > Well, having investigated that a few years ago... some of those > women are just drop dead gorgeous... If you have the initial Money to meet > them, etc, then move 'em over to the States (or other,) it's well worth > it. > I know a couple of Russian ladies that came to the States as Mail > Order Brides, and both are wonderful, personable, and most importantly > very intelligent. :) To bad I can't say the same about their husbands...:) > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 16:17:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB42037B54B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 28238 invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2000 23:17:06 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 28147 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2000 23:17:01 -0000 Received: from acdialup174.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.174) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 23:17:00 -0000 Message-ID: <39496316.CF392883@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:13:26 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam References: <001301bfd6f2$889d40a0$d9dd7ad1@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah, I got it too. What gives? leegold wrote: > i have been getting alot of spam as a result of this mailing list - or so it > seems. > > the latest is "meet russian girls". > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 20:55:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sentry.granch.ru (sentry.granch.ru [212.20.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CB837BA59 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shelton@sentry.granch.ru) Received: (from shelton@localhost) by sentry.granch.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03231 for freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:55:28 +0700 (NOVST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001301bfd6f2$889d40a0$d9dd7ad1@beefstew> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:55:28 +0700 (NOVST) Reply-To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Organization: Granch Ltd. From: "Rashid N. Achilov" To: freebsd-newbies@Freebsd.org Subject: RE: spam Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15-Jun-00 leegold wrote: > i have been getting alot of spam as a result of this mailing list - or so it > seems. > > the latest is "meet russian girls". "Don't annoy and don't be annoyed" - it is a foundation principe. If this list have a moderator, he'll include these silly-like "girls" in his black list. I think. -- With Best Regards. Rashid N. Achilov (RNA1-RIPE), Cert. ID: 28514, Granch Ltd. lead engineer e-mail: achilov@granch.ru, tel (383-2) 24-2363 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 22:40:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx4.mail.ru (mx4.mail.ru [194.67.23.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A228A37BC45 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:40:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaroshenko@mail.ru) Received: from mx7.mail.ru (mx7.int [10.0.0.44]) by mx4.mail.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA63131 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:02:31 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from jaroshenko@mail.ru) Received: from [212.96.98.38] (helo=[212.96.98.38]) by mx7.mail.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 132oDH-0005JQ-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:58:43 +0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:01:02 +0400 (MSD) From: =?koi8-r?B?8dLP28XOy88g88XSx8XK?= X-Sender: jaroshenko@freebsd.merlin.ru To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam In-Reply-To: <001301bfd6f2$889d40a0$d9dd7ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, and I getting spam from "meet russian girls". On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, leegold wrote: > i have been getting alot of spam as a result of this mailing list - or so it > seems. > > the latest is "meet russian girls". > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jun 15 22:43:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235C537BC45 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:43:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-56.s56.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.56] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 132oux-0001m2-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 01:43:48 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfd755$f0f19760$38e17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Joe Warner" Cc: References: <001301bfd6f2$889d40a0$d9dd7ad1@beefstew> <39496316.CF392883@uswest.net> Subject: Re: spam Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:44:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org this mailing list must be in the shotgun pattern of the sender's email broadcast. > Yeah, I got it too. What gives? > > leegold wrote: > > > i have been getting alot of spam as a result of this mailing list - or so it > > seems. > > > > the latest is "meet russian girls". > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > -- > > > > > > > > > Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > not sure about the former. > -Albert Einstein. > 1879-1955. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 16 3:53:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bezeqint.net (mail-a.bezeqint.net [192.115.106.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE9537BAB2 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 03:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nimrodme@bezeqint.net) Received: from bezeqint.net (PT8-207.nas.bezeqint.net) by mail.bezeqint.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.03.23.18.03.p10) with ESMTP id <0FW800272U7PRB@mail.bezeqint.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:52:37 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:50:50 +0300 From: Nimrod Mesika Subject: Re: Problem with the libraries. To: Bryan Otteson , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Reply-To: nimrodm@email.com Message-id: <3949F87A.5AA5B79B@bezeqint.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <00061504283000.10622@kawil.org> <001401bfd6ef$e6933c80$9da58dd0@arescomputer> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bryan Otteson wrote: > > ROFLMAO!!! I get that exact same error trying to configure > gnomenetwork1.0.2. I did a find for '*gtk*' and couldn't find anything that > looked like a config file that the path wasn't pointing to. We both need > help on this on :) > me, > b On my system (installed gnome using pkg_add) gtk-config is called gtk12-config. Just do the following: # cd /usr/X11R6/bin # ln -s gtk12-config gtk-config All gtk/gnome based apps look for gtk-config (it's a shell script) as part of their configuration or makefiles. -- Nimrod. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 16 4:39:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7D437BDDE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 04:39:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p60.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.60]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA277746; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 13:37:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA01042; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:11:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:11:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: "Rashid N. Achilov" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: spam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > he'll include these silly-like "girls" in his black list. I think. Nothing against russian girls, but I dont read this stuff. All I suspect are japanese things, that came over the list and do come from time to time directly. But being subscribed to any list isnt without risk today. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 16 5:34: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E2737BE82 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 05:34:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tomg@mailhost.nrnet.org) Received: from mailhost.nrnet.org (mailhost.nrnet.org [166.84.192.39]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D81B31172; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (tomg@localhost) by mailhost.nrnet.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA09808; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:35:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:35:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Good To: leegold Cc: Joe Warner , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: green eggs (caviar of course) and spam In-Reply-To: <000501bfd755$f0f19760$38e17ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, leegold wrote the following, concerning spam: > this mailing list must be in the shotgun pattern of the sender's email > broadcast. > > > Yeah, I got it too. What gives? > > > > leegold wrote: > > > > > the latest is "meet russian girls". This may be a sincere request, Lee. I've heard that beautiful Russian women find FBSD men irresistible. Maybe it's the pocket protector? (or in my instance, the black glasses case) How about you give them a ring back. Try this: Kak Dela? Menya Zavoot Lee! ;-) If it's the real McCoy, let us know, eh? TFIC, Tom -------------------------------------------------------------------- SVCMC - Center for Behavioral Health -------------------------------------------------------------------- Thomas Good tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org IS Coordinator / DBA Phone: 718-354-5528 Fax: 718-354-5056 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Powered by: PostgreSQL s l a c k w a r e FreeBSD: RDBMS |---------- linux The Power To Serve -------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 16 6:44:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from itgnt1.innovativetec.net (c283817-j.btnrug1.la.home.com [24.13.205.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF7237BD03 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 06:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcthomas@mail.com) Received: from MCT450 (c283817-i.btnrug1.la.home.com [24.13.197.210]) by itgnt1.innovativetec.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.1960.3) id MZ051NZZ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:13:10 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Mark Thomas" To: Subject: DNS question: Domain Database Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:38:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am having a few problems after the DNS setup on FreeBSD 4.0 Everything below is working fine, except for my CNAME section. Resolv is working properly, Apache is resolving Virtual Hosts from DNS pointing to its IP address from another machine, etc.. My db.example.net is below. I replaced the real name and IP with example.net and 24.x.x.x When ever I load named, I get these errors about the CNAME section. Date Time ns1 named[4693]: db.example.net:27:www.example.net: CNAME and OTHER data error I have seen documentation with various flavors of CNAME entries. I have tried many different combinations, but I am definately missing something. Do you see anything wrong with this scenario, or am I missing something in another file? example.net. IN SOA ns1.example.net. root.example.net. ( 200006114 ; (Month/Day/Year/SequenceNumber.. Mct/Mld) 86400 ; Refresh 1Day (86400, seconds) 7200 ; Zone Load Failed Retry (2hrs) 8640000 ; Expire Time 100 days for secondary servers if they cannot reach master. 86400 ) ; Minimun to Live. Min time a remote server should cache these records. ;NS Records IN NS ns1.example.net. IN NS itgnt1.example2.net. ;A Name Records IN NS NS1 ns1 IN A 24.4.48.11 shit IN A 24.4.48.11 ns2 IN A 10.1.0.5 www IN A 24.4.48.11 ftp IN A 24.4.48.11 mail IN A 24.4.48.11 ;CNAME Records www IN CNAME ns1.example.net. ;MX Records IN MX 10 mail.example.net. IN MX 30 mail.example2.net. ;Hinfo NS1.example.net IN HINFO "Intel Pentium 600Mhz, 512Meg" "FreeBSD 4.0" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 16 19:30:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F5037BB00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:30:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA43034 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:30:10 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200006170230.MAA43034@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01BFD62C.A8EAD2D0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jun 16 23: 5:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3AB37B574 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:05:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-188.s188.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.188] helo=beefstew) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133BjC-0002kU-00; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:05:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bfd822$1681b470$bce17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: "Samantha" Cc: References: <3B2B64A2.A4BD3331@bendnet.com> Subject: Re: green eggs (caviar of course) and spam Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:05:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: Re: green eggs (caviar of course) and spam > All I can say is thank God some people can still laugh once in a while. > > Can you imagine the poor soul who yesterday freaked out about "this crappy > discussion"? > > p.s. It's not just those Russian girls who think FreeBSDers are sexy :) well samantha, that's why i got into freebsd. i tried the turbo Porsches and cigarette boats. but when i started chmod'ing files - the woman came flocking, darn near broke my door down! > > Thomas Good wrote: > > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, leegold wrote the following, concerning spam: > > > > > this mailing list must be in the shotgun pattern of the sender's email > > > broadcast. > > > > > > > Yeah, I got it too. What gives? > > > > > > > > leegold wrote: > > > > > > > > > the latest is "meet russian girls". > > > > This may be a sincere request, Lee. I've heard that beautiful > > Russian women find FBSD men irresistible. Maybe it's the pocket > > protector? (or in my instance, the black glasses case) > > > > How about you give them a ring back. > > Try this: Kak Dela? Menya Zavoot Lee! ;-) > > > > If it's the real McCoy, let us know, eh? > > > > TFIC, > > Tom > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SVCMC - Center for Behavioral Health > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Thomas Good tomg@ { admin | q8 } .nrnet.org > > IS Coordinator / DBA Phone: 718-354-5528 > > Fax: 718-354-5056 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Powered by: PostgreSQL s l a c k w a r e FreeBSD: > > RDBMS |---------- linux The Power To Serve > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 0:41:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f283.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E063C37B67C for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 89749 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2000 07:41:40 -0000 Message-ID: <20000617074140.89748.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:41:40 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: jswarner@uswest.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 00:41:40 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm kinda in the same situation myself and I know as well that FreeBSD not only could, but would out-perform many of our existing and client servers guarenteed. I work for a company that does network consulting and support. Mainly NT and Win2k, not to mention others as well, just not any form of *NIX. I'm no senior there so I don't have much say in things. I've only played with FreeBSD and OpenBSD mostly at home. I started with Linux, and finally some time later made the greatest move of my life - FreeBSD/OpenBSD, never to turn back unless absoloutly needed. NOTE: This is nothing derogatory against Linux, but rather just my personal opinion. I just much more prefer *BSD over Linux for many reasons, but mainly because it does the job and very well at that. Most reliability i've ever seen! Unfortunatly, I've run in many many times that FreeBSD could have been used in replace of NT for our clients, much better, much faster, more reliable, much more powerful, more granular in that it gives so much more control over everything and anything, cheaper and the list just goes on and on... Only reason I don't get to actually implement this type thing is that these seniors have no idea how to use FreeBSD and literally have no concept on how it can outbeat MS Windows XX/XXXX in just about any area! It really bothers me! Any suggestions on how I can actually give them a better idea what it can really do and maybe the chance to atleast give it a try. After all, it's 100% free!!! This could save my company, as well as our clients lots of money!!! Ahhh, drives me nuts thinking of it... > Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and >was put into action today where I work. As I said in a previous email, >I installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 (266mhz) machine the >other day and the install went without a hitch. I gave it a dedicated >IP address and got an Apache v1.3 web server going and an FTP server. >I've been tasked with managing our local intranet and plan on using the >FreeBSD machine as a test bed for comparing cost, stability and >performance to other web servers on different platforms like NT and >OS/400. I think it's already won the cost comparison. I created a home >page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, that are >currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I couldn't believe >the difference in speed! Accessing the databases through my Apache >server is a lot faster than using the notes client! The pages look a >lot better in HTML than the old boring flat database style you see when >using the notes client. Anyway, I gave my managers a demonstration and >they were pretty impressed. I think this is just the beginning. I >don't think I'm going to have a problem of finding ways to justify the >use of FreeBSD where I work anymore. FreeBSD rocks!! 8^) > >Joe > > > >-- > > > > > > > > >Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > not sure about the former. > -Albert Einstein. > 1879-1955. > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 2:38:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from basil.freemail.ne.jp (basil.freemail.ne.jp [210.235.164.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2299137BA2A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 02:38:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from heroine@basil.freemail.ne.jp) Received: (qmail 2253 invoked from network); 17 Jun 2000 18:13:02 +0900 Received: from unknown (HELO default) (210.135.18.28) by basil.freemail.ne.jp with SMTP; 17 Jun 2000 18:13:02 +0900 Message-ID: <042701bfd83c$01f47aa0$02fc0bca@default> To: From: "SHRP" Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCJTkhPCVRITwlUiVtJSQlc05NPys3VzJoGyhC?= Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:00:09 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $B%o%s%@!<%&!<%^%s!"%9!<%Q!<%,!<%k!"$=$NB>$*$b$K9qFb(B $B#7#0G/BeFC;#!&%"%K%a%R%m%$%s$rNM?+$9$k%S%G%*!u\:Y4uK>$NJ}$O(Bheroine04@lovergirl.com$B$K(B $BBj!V(Badd$B!W!"K\J8$K@8G/!JH>3Q?t;z!!Nc!'(B1970$B!K(B $B$r5-$7$F>\:Y;qNA!JD9J8!K$r@A5a$7$F$/$@$5$$!#(B $B!JJV?.$O<+F0=hM}$5$l$k>l9g$,$"$j$^$9$N$G>e$N7A<0$O(B $B@\JV?.$G$O$"$j$^$;$s!#(B $B>e$N%"%I%l%9$K$*4j$$$7$^$9!K(B $B%b%G%k4uK>!Je$K8B!K$N=w@-$O(B heroine@24h.co.jp$B$^$G(B $BBj!V(Bmodel$B!W!#K\J8$K4JC1$J<+8J>R2p$r5-$7$F(B $B>\:Y$r@A5a$7$F$/$@$5$$!#(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 6:47:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34CEA37BAAF for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 06:47:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 7259 invoked by alias); 17 Jun 2000 13:47:22 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 7240 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2000 13:47:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.212) by slkcpop2.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Jun 2000 13:47:20 -0000 Message-ID: <394B808C.1C4E25A7@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 07:43:40 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Some Person Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work References: <20000617074140.89748.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I work for a company (SMS) http://www.smed.com/ that writes medical software on the AS/400 for hospitals. Which, incidentally, will be purchased by Siemens Corp. http://www.siemens.de/en2/html/ by the end of this month. I'm an Operations Technical Analyst and have worked in the tech dept. for the last 3 years. My main responsibilities are AS/400 administration, LAN administration and special projects. I've used Linux, mostly Caldera & Red Hat, for the last 2 years and belong to a local linux users group (LUG). Wes Peters was the main influence for me switching to FreeBSD. He came to one of the LUG meetings and did an excellent presentation on FreeBSD and tossed new CD ROM sets of FreeBSD 3.4 into the crowd. I was lucky to have been paying attention and caught one! Since I've started using FreeBSD, I haven't looked back either. I'm not trying to say anything derogatory about Linux either. I'm very grateful for the exposure to Unix that I got from using Linux. For me, Linux provided the necessary background/experience to allow me to make the transition to FreeBSD. Everything about FreeBSD just makes more sense to me and seems to be organized into a more logical order. Each day I work on the PC I've installed FreeBSD on, I find something new that is built into the system, which impresses me. I could list those things here but this response is going to be long enough! 8^) Ok, I'll mention a couple..I like how easy it is to load software/updates and how easy it is to compile the kernel. The primary OS of choice in our shop is WIN NT 4.0 and IBM OS/400 (V4R4) and like you, having been struggling with finding ways to impress upon management and the like, how powerful, cost effective and useful an OS like FreeBSD would be to utilize. So far, the best way I've seen is to demonstrate it's abilities in a more tangible manner, like setting up and demonstrating a web server or demonstrating it's network analysis capabilities with programs like TCPDUMP or Ethereal. Our head LAN administrator wanted a good LAN sniffer to trace bottlenecks on our LAN/WAN and couldn't convince management to purchase a sniffer or good sniffing software that would run on NT. I was able to show him/them that we already had a solution with FreeBSD. As a result, they were pretty impressed. One of my managers made a valid point when he said that having only one or two people experienced with using FreeBSD or Linux won't work but if we get half the department trained on it, then we would be in a better position to use it and integrate it into our network structure more. I recently had someone on the linux-advocacy newsgroup tell me he thought I was into "silly stuff" for trying to implement an OS like FreeBSD or Linux where I work. He said that it won't be cost effective because it would be too expensive to replace OS' like NT or OS/400 with Linux or FreeBSD. He hinted that it wouldn't make sense to replace technology already in place that works. I feel he misinterpreted my intentions. My goal isn't to replace existing technology. My goal is to find and utilize technology that works! And FreeBSD certainly fits the bill. > > > Unfortunatly, I've run in many many times that FreeBSD could have been used > in replace of NT for our clients, much better, much faster, more reliable, > much more powerful, more granular in that it gives so much more control over > everything and anything, cheaper and the list just goes on and on... > Only reason I don't get to actually implement this type thing is that these > seniors have no idea how to use FreeBSD and literally have no concept on how > it can outbeat MS Windows XX/XXXX in just about any area! > It really bothers me! > Any suggestions on how I can actually give them a better idea what it can > really do and maybe the chance to atleast give it a try. After all, it's > 100% free!!! This could save my company, as well as our clients lots of > money!!! Ahhh, drives me nuts thinking of it... > > > Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and > >was put into action today where I work. As I said in a previous email, > >I installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 (266mhz) machine the > >other day and the install went without a hitch. I gave it a dedicated > >IP address and got an Apache v1.3 web server going and an FTP server. > >I've been tasked with managing our local intranet and plan on using the > >FreeBSD machine as a test bed for comparing cost, stability and > >performance to other web servers on different platforms like NT and > >OS/400. I think it's already won the cost comparison. I created a home > >page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, that are > >currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I couldn't believe > >the difference in speed! Accessing the databases through my Apache > >server is a lot faster than using the notes client! The pages look a > >lot better in HTML than the old boring flat database style you see when > >using the notes client. Anyway, I gave my managers a demonstration and > >they were pretty impressed. I think this is just the beginning. I > >don't think I'm going to have a problem of finding ways to justify the > >use of FreeBSD where I work anymore. FreeBSD rocks!! 8^) > > > >Joe > > > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm > > not sure about the former. > > -Albert Einstein. > > 1879-1955. > > > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 9:48:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.aracnet.com (mail2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D0837B5C6 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:48:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail2.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23287; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:48:45 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id JAA30478; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:48:42 -0700 Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Some Person Cc: jswarner@uswest.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work In-Reply-To: <20000617074140.89748.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Any suggestions on how I can actually give them a better idea what it can > really do and maybe the chance to atleast give it a try. After all, it's > 100% free!!! This could save my company, as well as our clients lots of > money!!! Ahhh, drives me nuts thinking of it... Yeah, First bring in a machine from home if you can loaded with FreeBSD first. Load X-Windows, Star Office or Applix and make it look flashy so that people ask what it is. Once they're aware of it, load Samba on it and start mapping Windows drives to it. Keep all your inportant files on it. 'Oh, just a sec, let me go get it off my FreeBSD machine.' Show people what you've done with it. You'll get a few others interested in it and together you can slowly get familiar enough with it that someday someone senior enough can say. 'Well, lets save you $XXXXX amount by using FreeBSD instead of Windows 3000 Service Pack 17' :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 10:36:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF5D37B652 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:36:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-223-57.s57.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.223.57] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133MVr-0003lf-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:36:07 -0400 Message-ID: <001201bfd882$9d8b1870$39df7ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" Cc: References: Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:36:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i was impressed w/kde - it's got all the bells and whistles that win98 has. it's too much gui for me. But, i couldn't beleive a suite like that is FREE. it seemed to be pretty stable too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Hamell To: Some Person Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD at work > > > Any suggestions on how I can actually give them a better idea what it can > > really do and maybe the chance to atleast give it a try. After all, it's > > 100% free!!! This could save my company, as well as our clients lots of > > money!!! Ahhh, drives me nuts thinking of it... > > Yeah, First bring in a machine from home if you can loaded with > FreeBSD first. Load X-Windows, Star Office or Applix and make it look > flashy so that people ask what it is. Once they're aware of it, load Samba > on it and start mapping Windows drives to it. Keep all your inportant > files on it. 'Oh, just a sec, let me go get it off my FreeBSD machine.' > Show people what you've done with it. You'll get a few others interested > in it and together you can slowly get familiar enough with it that someday > someone senior enough can say. 'Well, lets save you $XXXXX amount by using > FreeBSD instead of Windows 3000 Service Pack 17' :) > > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 15:29:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (mail0.mia.bellsouth.net [205.152.144.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A6137B50F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pineypl@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net (adsl-61-16-127.mia.bellsouth.net [208.61.16.127]) by mail0.mia.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id SAA07528 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <394BFBC1.A63064C@bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:29:21 -0400 From: Bob Collins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: Dynamic IP and ADSL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an ADSL connection at home, and must use a dynamically assigned IP address. Is there a way to configure FBSD to use DHCP? TIA. Bob Collins To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 16: 5:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE9437B51F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:05:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (uzs106@ascend-tk-p219.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.219]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA388054 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:03:32 +0200 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA02222 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:01:08 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:01:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Installing 4.0 over 3.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi gang, I got the 4.0 CDs today. It seems to be possible to "upgrade" over an existing system, the /etc is backed up and something is copied back. /usr/local/bin isnt mentioned in the Walnut Creek booklet, it will hopefully be untouched, so /usr/home/*... Are other things to observe, will the old binaries work with this system. should I deinstall and reinstall things, linux base etc ? Keen on working with the parallel port Zip drive, which didnt run with 3.1. What is with the new soundcard driver, will it support MIDI ? Does the installation (with Kernel Sources) need more space than 3.1 ? Will the old MYKERNEL file work (well, the Zip, Soundcard line will be new) ? Anyway, think I should backup MYKERNEL manualy... Heiko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 18: 5:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72D3A37B572 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 18729 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jun 2000 01:05:18 -0000 Received: from as52-03-105.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.183.128.105) by mail06.rzmi.gmx.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2000 01:05:18 -0000 Message-ID: <002901bfd8da$63036420$6980b7d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: silo overflow related to IRQ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:05:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I use freebsd 3.2 - RELEASE, and whenever i try to connect to the Net i'm getting silo overflows. I think i know where the problem is, the IRQ. My modem is on /dev/cuaa2 or COM3, and in fbsd 3.2, you have to edit the kernel config to enable that port, i edited, but in the manual it said that you also need to change the IRQ because the default IRQ # is not right. Can someone help me with determining the IRQ #? --r00t3d To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 20:22: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com [207.46.181.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C0237B5A9 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:22:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anthonymo_tse@email.msn.com) Received: from lava.envnet.com - 209.222.72.56 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:21:47 -0700 Message-ID: <001801bfd8d3$d94f1180$ff02a10a@envnet.com> Reply-To: "anthony" From: "anthony" To: "freebsd newbies" Received: from CLOUD055 by lava.envnet.com via smtpd (for cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com [207.46.181.28]) with SMTP; 18 Jun 2000 03:22:03 UT References: <394BFBC1.A63064C@bellsouth.net> Subject: Intranet file sharing Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:18:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a small network at home with 3 win98 machines plus a FBSD box. My idea is to make all the files we would normally share centrally stored on the FBSD box (movies, MP3's etc) is there a way to make the files stored on the FBSD machine easily accessable to the win98 machine's to stream the files onto they're computer's? thanks tony To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 21:55:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shell.sohost.net (209.17.128.149.arpa.gt.ca [209.17.128.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 167E837B530 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:55:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brent@sohost.net) Received: (qmail 11964 invoked by alias); 18 Jun 2000 04:54:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sohost.net) (24.113.53.176) by mail.sohost.net with SMTP; 18 Jun 2000 04:54:15 -0000 Message-ID: <394C5621.3124E2ED@sohost.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:54:57 -0700 From: Brent Rector X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: anthony Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: Intranet file sharing References: <394BFBC1.A63064C@bellsouth.net> <001801bfd8d3$d94f1180$ff02a10a@envnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Look into a port named samba. It should be in your ports collection. It has drivers to enable Win9$ machines to log into and use FreeBSD drives and resources. Hope this helps! Brent anthony wrote: > > I have a small network at home with 3 win98 machines plus a FBSD box. > > My idea is to make all the files we would normally share centrally stored on > the FBSD box (movies, MP3's etc) is there a way to make the files stored on > the FBSD machine easily accessable to the win98 machine's to stream the > files onto they're computer's? > > thanks tony > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Brent L. Rector brent@sohost.net SysAdmin/Accounts +1.604.519.4525 ext 2 SoHost Networks Inc. http://www.sohost.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product. -- OWNED? MS: Who's Been In Your Computer Today? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 22:30:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AC837B546 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mlduke@concentric.net) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA11768; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:30:15 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts001d24.mer-id.concentric.net (ts001d24.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.36]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA15171; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:27:50 -0600 (MDT) From: ML Duke To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installing 4.0 over 3.1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My Unix Mentor, AIX Systems Engineer has about three words to say about this: Don't do it. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jun 17 22:40:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6D937B546 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 22:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-226-26.s280.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.226.26] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 133XpH-0002ri-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:40:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bfd8e7$dd6768d0$1ae27ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: win managers Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:41:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org can anyone recommend a simple and well documented (i need more than man pages) win manager. so far i have tried windowmaker, fvwm2, fvwm95, kde. i am looking for something simple, w/SUPPORT AND DOCUMENTATION, fvwm is ok but learning that config file is like learning another hi level computer language while kde is just plain too much gui for me. there also has to be intro documentation other than man pages. any recommendations appreciated. 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