From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 3: 2:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3A637BC30 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kapteyn@xs4all.nl) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA08413 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:02:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA17524; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:02:13 +0200 (CEST) From: "new.xs4all.nl" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Subject: starting KDE and so on Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:01:57 +0200 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Message-ID: <8ks166$elv$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Now, After all those nice words about Free BSD I tried it. I downloaded teh ISO image and started installing. After a while I decided to use FTP, because the ISO image does not have all the correct contents (that will cost another full day phone bill... :-)) But now, when i cab start up Free bsd i want to get into a graphical shell. I mount the cdrom, then try to start kde by typing kde. It starts looking for all sorts of things and gives messages that a connection to the Xserver could not be made. First of all: what commands do i have to give in a standard situation (i am logged in as root) to start kde or gnome sessions? Secondly: where can i find the appropriate manual on the internet to find these commands? Third: should i download /configure a specific part of my installation to be able to start kde or gnome? If anyone can help me? Thanx!! regards, Wim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 5:50:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F39D637BCF1 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 05:50:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <373J2K56>; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:46:23 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: "'new.xs4all.nl'" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: starting KDE and so on Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:46:22 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: new.xs4all.nl [mailto:kapteyn@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 1:02 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: starting KDE and so on > > > Now, After all those nice words about Free BSD I tried it. > I downloaded teh ISO image and started installing. > After a while I decided to use FTP, because the ISO image > does not have all > the correct contents (that will cost another full day phone > bill... :-)) > > But now, when i cab start up Free bsd i want to get into a > graphical shell. > I mount the cdrom, then try to start kde by typing kde. > It starts looking for all sorts of things and gives messages that a > connection to the Xserver could not be made. You have to have X running before starting kde or other windowmanager. To do so, just edit the ".xinitrc" file in your home directory (or create a new one) and put the following line in this file: exec kde (to edit .xinitrc, just type "ee xinitrc") After this, type "startx". This will start the X server, will look in the .xinitrc file and will start what is there (ie, kde). For more configuration of X, I recommend you to take a look at the /stand/sysinstall utility, section Configure/XFree86 > > First of all: what commands do i have to give in a standard > situation (i am > logged in as root) to start kde or gnome sessions? See above; however, I don't recommend you to run X/kde/gnome logged as root; create an usual account and use root only for configuration/administration. > Secondly: where can i find the appropriate manual on the > internet to find > these commands? first, try "man whatcommanddoyouwant"; on the internet there plenty of tutorials; see www.freebsd.tutorials, www.freebsd.handbook and so on. > > Third: should i download /configure a specific part of my > installation to > be able to start kde or gnome? You should have everything you need now on the CD. > > If anyone can help me? Thanx!! > > regards, Wim > Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 8:10:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB71D37BBDA for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p185.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.185]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA66522; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:08:25 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02215; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:30:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:30:41 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: "new.xs4all.nl" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: starting KDE and so on In-Reply-To: <8ks166$elv$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > If anyone can help me? Thanx!! Dont know why you are so keen on KDE. Anyway, a starting point should be /usr/share/doc. Dont know how far you are with your installation, but /stand/sysinstall, pre install configutation, packages is the first thing to do. Get lynx, just to read the handbook and the faq. From there, it should be not to difficult. Good luck ! H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 13:42:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web1902.mail.yahoo.com (web1902.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8A7E37B72E for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rayvinly@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 26092 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2000 20:43:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000716204328.26091.qmail@web1902.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.26.208.242] by web1902.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:43:28 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:43:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Raymond Law Subject: can't talk to klauncher error To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I installed KDE over a T1 connection and it runs fine. But when I disconnect my box from the network, it took a long time for the KDE to start up and it immediately gives me a popup box saying "can't talk to klauncher". Also, when I click anything in the menu, it locks up. I am using XFree 3.3.6. What is the cause of this problem and how can I fix it? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 14: 2:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (imo-d07.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FBE37B6A0 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:02:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Smc486@aol.com) Received: from Smc486@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.10.) id r.78.7b2bdb0 (16790); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:02:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Smc486@aol.com Message-ID: <78.7b2bdb0.26a37cc9@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:02:01 EDT Subject: Re: can't talk to klauncher error To: rayvinly@yahoo.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 114 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Type "hostname localhost" without the quotes Sam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 14: 5:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web6101.mail.yahoo.com (web6101.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0962A37B7B0 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:05:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kvnwg@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20000716210608.12840.qmail@web6101.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.213.11.122] by web6101.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:06:08 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) From: kvnwg Reply-To: kvnwg@yahoo.com Subject: telnet and tcpdump To: BSD-Newbie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have just set up the FreeBSD4.0 in a DEC alpha machine on the LAN. From another machine I can ping the alpha but I can not telnet into it. Every time I do this, I get time out. Anyone got an idea? Um... one more question. I also setup a FreeBSD4.0 box on i386 machine. But it turns out that I can't find the "tcpdump" command in /usr/sbin/. (I did re-compile the kernel from GENERIC, I wonder if it matters?) I am a new-newbie to BSD. Your suggestion will be highly appreciated. -- cheer K __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 14:15:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (ns.interscope.ro [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D7237C0A3 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from KoronkaS@interscope.ro) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <373J2K69>; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:11:37 +0300 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: "'kvnwg@yahoo.com'" Cc: BSD-Newbie Subject: RE: telnet and tcpdump Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:11:36 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have just set up the FreeBSD4.0 in a DEC alpha > machine on the LAN. From another machine I can ping > the alpha but I can not telnet into it. Every time I > do this, I get time out. Anyone got an idea? see the telnet line in /etc/inetd.conf - maybe is commented > Um... one more question. I also setup a FreeBSD4.0 > box on i386 machine. But it turns out that I can't > find the "tcpdump" command in /usr/sbin/. (I did see http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/errata.html > re-compile the kernel from GENERIC, I wonder if it > matters?) no > I am a new-newbie to BSD. Your suggestion will be > highly appreciated. Stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 16: 0:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [206.79.44.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D66237BCE8 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:59:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA22011; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:35:30 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:35:28 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: Jens Sauer , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How to disable Kernel-Modules-Support? Message-ID: <20000716003528.A21968@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000712201738.9D31937BF7D@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de on Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:14:55AM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 13, 2000 at 09:14:55AM +0200, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > Walnut Creek Distribution 4.0 it was disabled by default. > > Btw, my "official" 4.0 CDs come from a "BSD, Inc." in Concord. > What does this mean ? Walnut Creek and Berkeley Software Design merged a few months back. The new company is called BSDi. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. 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For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 20:29: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com [24.4.0.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C7F37B6CA for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrboboo@home.com) Received: from c158580a ([24.21.170.113]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with SMTP id <20000717032901.ZTNT13510.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@c158580a> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:29:01 -0700 Message-ID: <004d01bfef9f$543bb1a0$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> From: "MrBoboo" To: Subject: file extensions Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:30:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01BFEF75.6B4D3FA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BFEF75.6B4D3FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what is the difference between files that end in: .tgz, .z, .tar, tar.gz = ??????????????? (when uncompressing/unpacking them) Rob mrboboo@home.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BFEF75.6B4D3FA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
what is the difference between files = that end in:=20 .tgz, .z, .tar, tar.gz ??????????????? (when uncompressing/unpacking=20 them)
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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01BFEF75.6B4D3FA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 21:54:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hawaii.rr.com (hnlmail2.hawaii.rr.com [24.25.227.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5DA37BA0C; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:54:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yukarimail@mcn.ne.jp) Received: from localhost ([24.31.88.158]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:49:07 -1000 X-Sender: yukarimail@mcn.ne.jp From: Yukari To: "hi" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:47:13 -1000 Subject: Љ׋ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <008e70749041170HNLMAIL2@hawaii.rr.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ߂łƂI ij`B ȂƁAuGb`vB A^_Ȃ̂B Љ׋̂߂ɌĂB http://216.101.214.74/LoveLovePussyKing/index-namasex.html ꂶA܂ˁ[B 䂩 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 22:24:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F937B78C for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:24:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6H5N1X07393; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:23:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: MrBoboo Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: file extensions In-Reply-To: <004d01bfef9f$543bb1a0$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A .tar file is a Tape ARchive file that contains multiple files and/or directory structures. gzip will only compress one file, so if you want to compress multiple files, you have to tar the files/directories and use gzip (or bzip2). .tgz and .tar.gz are pretty much the same thing... a file with those two extension means that it is a tar file compressed with gzip. A file ending with .z (more likely .Z) is a file compressed using the compress utility. It isn't the same as gzip, but it does the job. // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Sun, 16 Jul 2000, MrBoboo wrote: > what is the difference between files that end in: .tgz, .z, .tar, tar.gz ??????????????? (when uncompressing/unpacking them) > Rob mrboboo@home.com > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jul 16 22:45: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from shiva.art-service.net.ua (shiva.art-service.net.ua [194.44.107.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C055037B78C for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:44:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from raccoon@shiva.art-service.net.ua) Received: (from raccoon@localhost) by shiva.art-service.net.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA86069 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:44:40 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from raccoon) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:44:40 +0300 From: Vladimir Melnik To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: mutt-1.2.4 Message-ID: <20000717084440.A58817@art-service.net.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE Organisation: ISP "ART-service" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I have FreeBSD-3.3 installed and I am trying to compile mutt-1.2.4 from ports, but somewhy can't get ansi-color support. Does anybody know, how to make it works? -- V.Melnik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 3:15:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E0C37B587 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:15:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bart.lateur@skynet.be) Received: from dialup1167.antwerpen.skynet.be (dialup1167.antwerpen.skynet.be [194.78.225.143]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 748841F327 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:15:07 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bart Lateur To: Subject: Re: file extensions Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:15:16 +0200 Organization: MediaMind Message-ID: <5bk5nssgubqu69et4ek34mpa4esfg53ndj@4ax.com> References: <004d01bfef9f$543bb1a0$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> In-Reply-To: <004d01bfef9f$543bb1a0$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:30:18 -0500, MrBoboo wrote: >what is the difference between files that end in: .tgz, .z, .tar, tar.gz ??????????????? (when uncompressing/unpacking them) .z and .gz use a different compressing mechanism -- I'd think even a different compression program. .z -> compress, .gz -> gzip. Nowadays gzip is more common. .tar is a from a program, tar, which only combines a directory tree into one single file, without compression. That root of this program is to store files, raw, on a backup tape -> "tar" = "Tape ARchive". .tar.gz is a tar file compressed with gzip. And .tgz is actually the same as .tar.gz. n.b. You can compress/decompress archives while creating them, by using the -z option. This will avoid saving the (large) raw .tar file, and directly generate the .tar.gz file when creating an archive, and the directory tree when extracting. Idem ditto for -Z, which uses the .z compression, making or extraction a .tar.z file. -- Bart. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 8:17:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.9netave.com (smtp.9netave.com [216.156.2.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF95637BB18 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pmd@amtrax.com) Received: from computer (adsl-151-202-100-141.bellatlantic.net [151.202.100.141]) by smtp.9netave.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA21999 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <010401bff002$40af62e0$7e19fea9@computer> From: "Paul-Maurice" To: Subject: Compaq Proliant HD Unrecognized Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:18:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0101_01BFEFE0.B8CCB740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01BFEFE0.B8CCB740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a compaq Prolaint 6500=20 At the boot the BIOS recognises all the 4 drives but when I install FreeBSD will only recognize 2. I have the suspiction that its a question of driver because=20 when I install corel or Caldera Open Linux all the HD drives=20 recognized. CAn someone help me? Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0101_01BFEFE0.B8CCB740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,
I am trying to install FreeBSD 4.0 on a = compaq=20 Prolaint 6500
At  the boot the BIOS recognises all the 4 drives = but=20 when I install
FreeBSD will only recognize = 2.
I have the suspiction that its a = question of driver=20 because
when I install corel or Caldera Open Linux all the HD drives =
recognized.
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------=_NextPart_000_0101_01BFEFE0.B8CCB740-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 10:33:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50C937B5A7 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA45C6; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:35:31 -0700 Message-ID: <397342E6.DDE9669@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:31:18 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: MrBoboo Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xwindows errors References: <001e01bfedfc$4c7f0ec0$71aa1518@mesqt1.tx.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > MrBoboo wrote: > i am getting an error trying to run "XF86Setup" the error states: > -not all the standard font files are installed > -/usr/X11R6/X11/fonts/misc/6x13.pc* > > any clues to where i can get these fonts??? During installation, there is a section to install X fonts. Don't install the "big" and foreign language fonts, but do get all the others just in case (75-DPI, 100-DPI, speedo, etc). You can install them from /stand/sysinstall. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 11:47: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C5137BAA9 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kapteyn@xs4all.nl) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA14569 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:46:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13287; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:46:51 +0200 (CEST) From: "new.xs4all.nl" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Subject: Re: starting KDE and so on Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:44:54 +0200 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Message-ID: <8kvkap$dpv$1@news1.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey guys, looking at your answers I derive, that teh real prblem is somewhere else: probably a faulty distribution. Therfore, things get fucked up and I cannot use freebsd. alas. "Heiko Recktenwald" wrote in message news:list.freebsd.newbies#Pine.BSF.4.21.0007161326130.2205-100000@moritz.all eswirdgelber... > > If anyone can help me? Thanx!! > > Dont know why you are so keen on KDE. Anyway, a starting point should be > /usr/share/doc. > > Dont know how far you are with your installation, but /stand/sysinstall, > pre install configutation, packages is the first thing to do. Get lynx, > just to read the handbook and the faq. > > From there, it should be not to difficult. > > Good luck ! > > H. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 12:24:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624C237BB30 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:24:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA1ABD; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:26:38 -0700 Message-ID: <39735CF2.D0A43446@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:22:26 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "new.xs4all.nl" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: starting KDE and so on References: <8kvkap$dpv$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "new.xs4all.nl" wrote: > > Hey guys, > looking at your answers I derive, that teh real prblem is somewhere else: > probably a faulty distribution. > Therfore, things get fucked up and I cannot use freebsd. alas. Not totally unheard of. I first tried FreeBSD with 3.2 from a CD purchased from LinuxMall (six distros for six dollars, I couldn't resist). Unfortunately, the CD had a bad package index, forcing me to use ports to compile *everything* from scratch. Then the official FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE had a sysinstall bug that they quickly fixed, but I was still stuck with it :-( However, I don't think the problem is a faulty distribution. Probably just a bad configuration somewhere. Can you run other X window managers? Will twm start if you get rid of your .xinitrc? Did you have problems configuring X with XF86Setup or xf86config? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 14:22:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-3.ig.com.br (smtp-3.ig.com.br [200.225.157.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 390DE37BC02 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:22:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from augusto.bott@via-rs.net) Received: (qmail 1775 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2000 21:25:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ig) (200.213.75.15) by smtp-3.ig.com.br with SMTP; 17 Jul 2000 21:25:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000201bff035$7bdedfc0$0201040a@ig> From: "Augusto Bott" To: "ML Duke" , References: Subject: Re: pgp Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:03:18 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org have you tried a ftp search on the tarball your looking for? lycos does have one... -----Mensagem Original----- De: ML Duke Para: Enviada em: Sbado, 15 de Julho de 2000 14:39 Assunto: pgp > Does anyone happen to have pgp in /usr/ports/distfiles > ???? > > pgp does not appear to be on my cdrom set, the port won't fetch, > distfiles at cdrom.com have moved to freesoftware.com and pgp is > nowhere in sight there that I could find. > > Would be most grateful to the person who attached the tarball > to an e-mail: > mlduke@concentric.net > > Thanks. > > ML Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jul 17 21: 9: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out4.prserv.net [32.97.166.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1581637B984 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:08:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mick3@ibm.net) Received: from ibm.net ([166.72.155.160]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <200007180408472390110eqne>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:08:48 +0000 Message-ID: <3973D853.9DC0A4D9@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:08:52 -0700 From: John Michelini X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, mick3@ibm.net Subject: Window managers Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5AF7D43438BDA243558BADE6" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5AF7D43438BDA243558BADE6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Does anyone know where I could begin reading about how to DEVELOP window managers? Lots of info on installing/figging, but nothing on the architecture. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BFF099.4279E310-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 7:50:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 747A337BEE4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:50:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-87.s87.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.87] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EYhi-0003gw-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:50:38 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bff0c7$9c60f020$57e17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: how to view postings from 3 weeks ago? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:51:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1. how do I get to view postings from this mail list for the past several weeks.? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 8: 5: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C008B37BE7E for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:05:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB40516319 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA11895 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:05:02 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:04:53 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256920.0052C93E ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:04:14 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "leegold" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256920.0052C785.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:05:51 -0600 Subject: Re: how to view postings from 3 weeks ago? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Go here and select the date you're interested in-->http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/archive/2000/freebsd-newbies/ Cheers Joe |--------+------------------------> | | "leegold" | | | | | | | | | 07/18/00 08:51| | | AM | | | | |--------+------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: how to view postings from 3 weeks | | ago? | >--------------------------------------------------------| 1. how do I get to view postings from this mail list for the past several weeks.? thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 8:22: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984E437B54C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 209-122-225-87.s87.tnt1.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.225.87] helo=beefstew) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13EZBv-0000o6-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:21:52 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> From: "leegold" To: Subject: new books, changing my pt. of view Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:22:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this is the current state of affairs. wait a second, But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing WinNT and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison is FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it crashes is not true Imo. But, I'm immature: I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a server and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. client. Whatdya think? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 8:54:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F1BB37BEAD for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818E416219 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20103 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:54:45 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:54:36 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256920.005756F2 ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:53:58 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: "leegold" Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <85256920.0057563B.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:55:38 -0600 Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? How so? In regards to the small number of BSD publications currently available at local retail book stores, I'd say everyone (not just newbies) have the short end of the stick. I happen to like the O' Reilly books but others do not. But, this irrelevant, since I predict that other publishers will start to contribute after learning of O' Reilly's efforts. Hopefully, because of this, the number of BSD publications will tie with the number of Linux publications in the future. I hope I'm not missing your point on this. If so, flame away. Just don't scorch me too bad. 8^) Cheers Joe |--------+------------------------> | | "leegold" | | | | | | | | | 07/18/00 09:22| | | AM | | | | |--------+------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG | | cc: (bcc: Joe Warner/SMS) | | Subject: new books, changing my pt. of view | >--------------------------------------------------------| Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this is the current state of affairs. wait a second, But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing WinNT and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison is FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it crashes is not true Imo. But, I'm immature: I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a server and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. client. Whatdya think? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 8:55:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from q.closedsrc.org (ip233.gte15.rb1.bel.nwlink.com [209.20.244.233]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E012137BED8 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:55:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Received: from localhost (lplist@localhost) by q.closedsrc.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e6IFrF411179; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:53:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lplist@q.closedsrc.org) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:53:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Linh Pham To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view In-Reply-To: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree that Windows is easier to learn from the standpoint of a newbie and Joe Coworker and there isn't anything wrong with that. I personally dual-boot between Windows NT 4 and FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE at home and I use the latter just to tweak with it and learn more on my spare time. I generally recommend FreeBSD in situation where someone needs a server or a firewall and does not want to spend a fortune on software and hardware. Stability and performance is a huge key of FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but the price you have to pay is the somewhat steeper learning curve. The same goes with Visual Basic versus C/C++. The former is easy to learn and can do things relatively easy, but it's no where nearly as stable or as universal as C/C++. I'm not saying that FreeBSD stinks as being a client OS, but that's not only the fault of FreeBSD nor is it the goal of FreeBSD (I could be wrong). The UI/GUI most be as easy to learn as Windows before anyone starts flocking towards it. // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, leegold wrote: > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this > is the current state of affairs. > > wait a second, > > But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing WinNT > and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison is > FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. > > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > crashes is not true Imo. > > But, I'm immature: > > I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a server > and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable > ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the > "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. > > so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to > explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. > client. Whatdya think? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 9: 6: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail3.aracnet.com (mail3.aracnet.com [216.99.193.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E7A37BEE7 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@aracnet.com) Received: from shell1.aracnet.com (shell1.aracnet.com [216.99.193.21]) by mail3.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA22173; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:06:02 -0700 Received: by shell1.aracnet.com (8.9.3) id JAA14290; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:05:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: Joe.Warner@smed.com Cc: leegold , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view In-Reply-To: <85256920.0057563B.00@Deimos.smed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? No, it's called FreeBSD for Dummies.... :) There are other projects in the works also. Both the projects I know about have been in the works longer then the O'Reilly books. They're only getting more attention for the obvious reasons. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 9:34:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (smtp.smed.com [12.20.51.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE1E37B520 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Joe.Warner@smed.com) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (keymaster.smed.com [12.20.51.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FDB6163CC for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22782 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:34:42 -0400 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:34:33 -0400 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 85256920.005AFF5E ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:33:56 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: Linh Pham Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, goldtech@worldpost.com Message-Id: <85256920.005AFED7.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:35:33 -0600 Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Windows is easier to learn because of it's very nature. It doesn't really let you do things you can do with an OS like FreeBSD. Nor is it, in my opinion as stable as the BSD's. Because of the wide array of capabilities of OS' like FreeBSD, most newbies start with the GUI and eventually migrate to using the command prompt as their experience increases. Personally, I feel KDE was fairly easy to learn and use. I feel that as more information and publicity is made available regarding the strengths of the BSD OS, more people will flock to it and will want to learn more. I have FreeBSD 3.4 running on a Compaq Deskpro at work and have been using it sucessfully as a client/server. It's set up as an Apache server for our local intranet, an FTP server and a Samba server. From a client stand point, I've identified and reported problems on our network using the GNU Ethereal - Network Protocol Analyzer. My co-workers/managers have been impressed and are already showing an interest. I think if the BSD community gets the same recognition as the Linux community has been getting lately and more publications are made available, more people will flock to it and realize what a great OS it truly is. |--------+------------------------> | | Linh Pham | | | | | | | | | 07/18/00 09:53| | | AM | | | | |--------+------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: leegold | | cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | | Warner/SMS) | | Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of | | view | >--------------------------------------------------------| I agree that Windows is easier to learn from the standpoint of a newbie and Joe Coworker and there isn't anything wrong with that. I personally dual-boot between Windows NT 4 and FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE at home and I use the latter just to tweak with it and learn more on my spare time. I generally recommend FreeBSD in situation where someone needs a server or a firewall and does not want to spend a fortune on software and hardware. Stability and performance is a huge key of FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but the price you have to pay is the somewhat steeper learning curve. The same goes with Visual Basic versus C/C++. The former is easy to learn and can do things relatively easy, but it's no where nearly as stable or as universal as C/C++. I'm not saying that FreeBSD stinks as being a client OS, but that's not only the fault of FreeBSD nor is it the goal of FreeBSD (I could be wrong). The UI/GUI most be as easy to learn as Windows before anyone starts flocking towards it. // Linh Pham // // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org /* "Oregon, n.: Eighty billion gallons of water with no place to go on Saturday night." */ On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, leegold wrote: > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this > is the current state of affairs. > > wait a second, > > But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing WinNT > and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison is > FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. > > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > crashes is not true Imo. > > But, I'm immature: > > I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a server > and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable > ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the > "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. > > so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to > explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. > client. Whatdya think? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 11: 5:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F77A37B681 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:05:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2C15; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:07:20 -0700 Message-ID: <39749BDA.8E6A214B@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:03:06 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: leegold Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view References: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org leegold wrote: > > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this > is the current state of affairs. The day that ORA publishes "Learn FreeBSD in 7 Hours" is the day I build a bonfire in my back yard and start cleaning out my bookshelf :-) If someone has absolutely no experience with Unix, they will do much better by getting "Unix for Dummies", reading it until they learn enough that the remainder of the book is insulting, and then picking up an O'Reilly book. Dummies books are great for getting introduced to foreign topics. I still pick them up from time to time. But that's not O'Reilly's charter. > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > crashes is not true Imo. FreeBSD has never catered to the newbie crowd, and I doubt it ever will. This is a Good Thing. A lot of the simplicity of NT is at the expense of stripping away user control over the system. NT is a "one size fits all" operating system, while Unix is a "have it your way" system. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 11:24:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D11F737B723 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA37CB; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:26:42 -0700 Message-ID: <3974A063.9F4FFD44@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:22:27 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Michelini Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Window managers References: <3973D853.9DC0A4D9@ibm.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Michelini wrote: > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know where I could begin reading about how to DEVELOP window > managers? Lots of info on installing/figging, but nothing on the > architecture. I'm actually in the middle of writing one myself. Information on writing window managers is pretty scarce. Your two main sources of info will be O'Reilly's "Xlib Programming Manual" and the actual source code of different WMs. Look over the source for some simple yet clearly written window managers first. aewm is a good one written in C, and Sapphire is a good one written in C++ (actually, Sapphire is heavily based on aewm). wm2 is also nice. Window managers don't actually do a heck of a lot, but what they do is not immediately obvious or straightforward. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 11:50:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from 064-031-070-236.inaddr.vitts.com (064-031-070-236.inaddr.vitts.com [64.31.70.236]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5135537B513 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@caramia.com) Received: from MILFORD2 by 064-031-070-236.inaddr.vitts.com via smtpd (for hub.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.18]) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 18:50:21 UT Received: from [10.1.1.68] ([10.1.1.68]) by smtp.hitchiner.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.4) with ESMTP id 2000071814501616:9546 ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:50:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gary@caramia.com@205.181.254.228 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:53:55 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: "Gary A. Girolimon" Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Milford2/Himco(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 02:50:16 PM, Serialize by Router on Milford2/Himco(Release 5.0.4 |June 8, 2000) at 07/18/2000 02:50:21 PM, Serialize complete at 07/18/2000 02:50:21 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Linh Pham wrote: >The UI/GUI most be as easy to learn as Windows before anyone starts >flocking towards it. And its name might be Mac OS X Gary _______________________________________________ Gary A. Girolimon PO Box 5733 Manchester, NH 03108 Tel: (603) 472-4786 Email: gary@caramia.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 14:20: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971C037B80B for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@caramia.com) Received: from [24.147.44.120] (h0005022bd838.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.44.120]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18399; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gary@caramia.com@mailhost.caramia.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 17:19:39 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Gary Girolimon Subject: "Keyboard: No" message at boot Cc: john@jlc.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Was about to take the FreeBSD plunge and have already hit my first wall. When trying to boot from either the CD or a floppy, I get a message "Keyboard: No" and the system stops. Of course there is a keyboard and it works fine (and I have tried several models). It just seems that the FreeBSD installer does not like it. The system is a newly built Athlon with an MSI Pro motherboard, if that is a factor. Other bootable CDs (Redhat Linux) work fine. Any suggestions are appreciated. Gary __________________________ Gary Girolimon PO Box 5733 Manchester, NH 03108 eFax: (419) 730-7062 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 20:32:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EDD0C37B5EA for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:32:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 18420 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 03:32:42 -0000 Received: from as53-02-57.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.226.152.57) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 03:32:42 -0000 Message-ID: <001401bff14a$e50a61c0$3998e2d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: Subject: really cheap freebsd 4.0 cds Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:25:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can someone tell me where i can get freebsd-4.0 $4? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 20:32:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 289B037B84C for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 20:32:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rewted@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 18462 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 03:32:45 -0000 Received: from as53-02-57.cas-kit.golden.net (HELO elite) (209.226.152.57) by mail.gmx.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 03:32:45 -0000 Message-ID: <001501bff14a$e6bd41e0$3998e2d1@elite> From: "rewted" To: References: Subject: Re: pgp Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:45:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PGP is not for export out of north america, however there is a pgp version for intenational. You can download a version of gziped tape archive pgp either international or north america from pgp.mit.edu. ----- Original Message ----- From: ML Duke To: Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2000 10:39 AM Subject: pgp > Does anyone happen to have pgp in /usr/ports/distfiles > ???? > > pgp does not appear to be on my cdrom set, the port won't fetch, > distfiles at cdrom.com have moved to freesoftware.com and pgp is > nowhere in sight there that I could find. > > Would be most grateful to the person who attached the tarball > to an e-mail: > mlduke@concentric.net > > Thanks. > > ML Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 21:47:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from cepheus.azstarnet.com (cepheus.azstarnet.com [169.197.56.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A1A37BCA4 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sbcorey@azstarnet.com) Received: from azstarnet.com (sbcorey@dialup09ip105.tus.azstarnet.com [169.197.34.105]) by cepheus.azstarnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA27083; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:47:18 -0700 (MST) X-Sent-via: StarNet http://www.azstarnet.com/ Message-ID: <397532D7.ACBB3739@azstarnet.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:47:19 -0700 From: CoreySB Organization: Open Source Education Foundation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.16 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewted Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: really cheap freebsd 4.0 cds References: <001401bff14a$e50a61c0$3998e2d1@elite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rewted wrote: > Can someone tell me where i can get freebsd-4.0 $4? > Well not $4 but less than $10. http://www.cheapbytes.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jul 18 22:27: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from camus.cybercable.fr (camus.cybercable.fr [212.198.0.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 81D7B37B6E6 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:26:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obsidian@cybercable.fr) Received: (qmail 16513590 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2000 05:26:58 -0000 Received: from r223m241.cybercable.tm.fr (HELO cybercable.fr) ([195.132.223.241]) (envelope-sender ) by camus.cybercable.fr (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Jul 2000 05:26:58 -0000 Message-ID: <39753CCB.91AB1120@cybercable.fr> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:29:47 +0200 From: Saad KADHI Organization: SOFTWAY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view References: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there ! > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will leave > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, this > is the current state of affairs. > > wait a second, > > But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing WinNT > and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison is > FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. > > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking about > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > crashes is not true Imo. It's true that Windows NT is a somewhat easier OS to learn that *BSD because of the GUI that puts an "abstraction" layer between you and your OS. But the problem is when you start learning way too much for the GUI bells and whistles to cope w/. My first 'real' OS was Ultrix and then I discovered other things like Solaris, Linux, SCO, AIX, and the BSDs (Free & Open). I learned Win 95/NT later. For the basic tasks, once you learn two or three flavors of Unix, you start getting the 'big' picture. I found it relatively easy to switch between OSes. I was extremely surprised with FreeBSD & OpenBSD. I felt they were a different breed. IMO they are better designed and more stable than the other herd players. But I think they are not for Joe Coworker yet, unless he is willing to learn and to RTFM a lot. Though there are no O'Reilly books or the like on the BSDs, I learned OpenBSD (and I'm still learning it) from the mailing lists + the excellent FAQ. For FreeBSD, I had a sensei that pointed me to the right direction and then after I wandered the newsgroups and read the excellent handbook (which is sitting in my bookshelf now). Believe me, if you are a Win user and you start using FreeBSD (any BSD is ok. NetBSD is more elite than the others actually as it starts w/ few apps ...), you'll feel there is sth different: stability, performance, no (very) weirdo hex messages that need Zeus to resolve then, infinitely customizable. Of course a minimum of unix luggage is necessary. but it really worths it ! I even felt this "power-under-the-hood" when I tried FreeBSD after a year or so of Penguinista. > I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a server > and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable > ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the > "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. well FreeBSD as a client is a bit harder to configure/use than FreeBSD as a server. KDE is nice but I hope that one day we will have the excellent HelixCode GNOME Desktop on top of FreeBSD. I'm running Linux & FreeBSD as a client. And I'm getting my job done on both. May the source be w/ you Luke ! -- Saad KADHI -- Security Consultant --------------------------------- "Given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 0:31:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.tbv.se (smtp2.tbv.se [193.15.92.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FD437B690 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james.wilde@tbv.se) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp2.tbv.se (8.9.1/8.9.1) id JAA69024 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:31:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from james.wilde@tbv.se) Received: from UNKNOWN(193.15.92.37), claiming to be "tbvhks12" via SMTP by smtp2.tbv.se, id smtpdq69020; Wed Jul 19 09:30:56 2000 From: "James A Wilde" To: Subject: RE: new books, changing my pt. of view Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:30:58 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01bff153$48659660$8c0aa8c0@hk.tbv.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Linh Pham > Sent: den 18 juli 2000 17:53 > To: leegold > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view > > The UI/GUI most be as easy to learn as Windows before anyone > starts flocking towards it. > The UI/GUI is easy enough to _learn_ if you have windows experience. It must be as easy to install. To be sure all my FreeBSD machines are cli only at the moment, but when I did try to install a Windows manager once it was no intuitive or easy process. Some of the Linux distributions are getting good at this now, and Solaris, but there's work to be done here in the FreeBSD releases - at least to 3.1 which is as far as I have got. mvh/regards James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 4:41:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (chmls06.mediaone.net [24.147.1.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A548637BAE3 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:41:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gary@caramia.com) Received: from [24.147.44.120] (h0005022bd838.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.44.120]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15114 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: gary@caramia.com@mailhost.caramia.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000b01bff0cb$f90fe8e0$57e17ad1@beefstew> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:41:22 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Gary Girolimon Subject: Re: "Keyboard: No" message at boot Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Found the answer to my own question in the archives at www.freebsd.org: "FreeBSD's keyboard probe is too fast on the Athlon board for the keyboard controller." "...the problem had something to do with numlock. I was able to confirm this by testing this about two dozen times. Here is what i found: If is off, your keyboard will *not* be found, and you're stuck." So, the workaround is simple. Just press numlock at bootup. >Was about to take the FreeBSD plunge and have already hit my first >wall. When trying to boot from either the CD or a floppy, I get a >message "Keyboard: No" and the system stops. Of course there is a >keyboard and it works fine (and I have tried several models). It >just seems that the FreeBSD installer does not like it. The system >is a newly built Athlon with an MSI Pro motherboard, if that is a >factor. > >Other bootable CDs (Redhat Linux) work fine. > >Any suggestions are appreciated. Gary __________________________ Gary Girolimon PO Box 5733 Manchester, NH 03108 eFax: (419) 730-7062 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 6:21:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D69037BC50 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p201.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.201]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA41888; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:19:10 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00753; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:36:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:36:44 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: rewted Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: pgp In-Reply-To: <001501bff14a$e6bd41e0$3998e2d1@elite> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > PGP is not for export out of north america Is this still valid ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 6:21:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618D137B5EE for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p201.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.201]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA41894; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:19:13 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02332; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:07:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:07:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Linh Pham Cc: leegold , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Linh Pham wrote: > I agree that Windows is easier to learn from the standpoint of a newbie > and Joe Coworker and there isn't anything wrong with that. I can only compare it with win 98 se. Well, the trivial things might be easier with win, but everything a little bit more complicated than clicking on a setup.exe is far more complicated on Win IMHO. All this stuff in the unreadable registies, win.ini isnt understandable, where is man win.ini ? And PPP, what a mess ;-) I wish there were a handbook and a faq like the things in /usr/share/doc. Maybe this would make win more usable. But my view might be different if win would work better on my hardware. No chance to find out, why it doesnt boot the way it should, I allways have to boot twice, the first time I have to reset, it hangs, the second time I have to be quick not to miss this menu where I have to choose "normal", or I must boot 4 times ;-) There are very few reasons to boot win, midi and premiere, maybe sometimes MS Word because wordperfect doesnt understand the newest *.docs.. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 10:28:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DDE37C11B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:28:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5B36; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:30:17 -0700 Message-ID: <3975E4AB.63CAB345@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:26:03 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rewted Cc: FREEBSD-NEWBIES@FREEBSD.ORG Subject: Re: really cheap freebsd 4.0 cds References: <001401bff14a$e50a61c0$3998e2d1@elite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rewted wrote: > > Can someone tell me where i can get freebsd-4.0 $4? In the US, try www.linuxmall.com. Yes, I know it's a Linux site, but its founder, Mark Bolzern, is a really great guy. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 10:36:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C1E37BFAB for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from goldtech@worldpost.com) Received: from 216-164-226-130.s384.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.226.130] helo=beefstew) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ExlZ-0004ZI-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:36:18 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bff1a7$eb514eb0$82e2a4d8@beefstew> From: "leegold" Cc: References: <85256920.005AFED7.00@Deimos.smed.com> Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:36:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Linh Pham Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 12:35 PM Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view > > > Windows is easier to learn because of it's very nature. Yeah, exactly my experience. It's intrinsic. That GUI makes it like a Cadillac w/power everything. One of my points was that FreeBSD can play that game too via KDE or other windows managers - if you're willing to put a little work into it. When I loaded KDE it brought down the MS "house of cards". "Here is a GUI that's at least the equivalent of windows - I still have the unix command line too". > It doesn't really > let you do things you can do with an OS like FreeBSD. Nor is it, in my > opinion as stable as the BSD's. I've never seen any reports impartial or otherwise that does not put unix flavors 1st in stability. But I have crashed my FreeBSD by trying to write to a write protected floppy. It was mounted "legally" as an ms-dos floppy. > Because of the wide array of capabilities > of OS' like FreeBSD, most newbies start with the GUI and eventually migrate > to using the command prompt as their experience increases. Personally, I > feel KDE was fairly easy to learn and use. I feel that as more information > and publicity is made available regarding the strengths of the BSD OS, more > people will flock to it and will want to learn more. > > I have FreeBSD 3.4 running on a Compaq Deskpro at work and have been using > it sucessfully as a client/server. It's set up as an Apache server for our > local intranet, an FTP server and a Samba server. From a client stand > point, I've identified and reported problems on our network using the GNU > Ethereal - Network Protocol Analyzer. My co-workers/managers have been > impressed and are already showing an interest. > > I think if the BSD community gets the same recognition as the Linux > community has been getting lately and more publications are made available, > more people will flock to it and realize what a great OS it truly is. > > > > |--------+------------------------> > | | Linh Pham | > | | | | edsrc.org> | > | | | > | | 07/18/00 09:53| > | | AM | > | | | > |--------+------------------------> > >--------------------------------------------------------| > | | > | To: leegold | > | cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, (bcc: Joe | > | Warner/SMS) | > | Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of | > | view | > >--------------------------------------------------------| > > > > > > > I agree that Windows is easier to learn from the standpoint of a newbie > and Joe Coworker and there isn't anything wrong with that. > > I personally dual-boot between Windows NT 4 and FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE at home > and I use the latter just to tweak with it and learn more on my spare > time. I generally recommend FreeBSD in situation where someone needs a > server or a firewall and does not want to spend a fortune on software and > hardware. > > Stability and performance is a huge key of FreeBSD and OpenBSD, but the > price you have to pay is the somewhat steeper learning curve. The same > goes with Visual Basic versus C/C++. The former is easy to learn and can > do things relatively easy, but it's no where nearly as stable or as > universal as C/C++. > > I'm not saying that FreeBSD stinks as being a client OS, but that's not > only the fault of FreeBSD nor is it the goal of FreeBSD (I could be > wrong). The UI/GUI most be as easy to learn as Windows before anyone > starts flocking towards it. > > // Linh Pham > // > // Proud supporter of FreeBSD and OpenBSD > // FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org > // OpenBSD - http://www.openbsd.org > > /* "Oregon, n.: > Eighty billion gallons of water > with no place to go on > Saturday night." > */ > > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, leegold wrote: > > > Isn't anybody worried that the new O'Reilly books in the making will > leave > > the newbie w/the short end of the stick paper documentation-wise? Imo, > this > > is the current state of affairs. > > > > wait a second, > > > > But upon refection, I have been realizing that I am DIRECTLY comparing > WinNT > > and FreeBSD and I now think it's apples vs. oranges. A fairer comparison > is > > FreeBSD WITH KDE vs. WinNT. > > > > I know I'll be publicly flogged for saying this but NT is easier to learn > > and is apparently an easier OS to document for the newbie ( by is very > > nature and culture ) than Unix a.k.a. FreeBSD. I am primarily talking > about > > CLIENTS - yeah I think NT workstation is a good client. Kneejerks that it > > crashes is not true Imo. > > > > But, I'm immature: > > > > I think I should get w/the program and start thinking of FreeBSD as a > server > > and NOT continue trying to configure and learning it as an ultra-stable > > ( x ) windows client machine - cause I'm in that "mode" and I saw the > > "answer" months ago - KDE w/all the bells and whistles - truly amazing. > > > > so, x windows works, I can use Netscape if I have to. I think I have to > > explore the "core" of FreeBSD - as the ultimate internet server OS vs. > > client. Whatdya think? > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 10:44:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (pop.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4ED8A37B91B for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 81984 invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2000 17:44:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 81969 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 17:44:01 -0000 Received: from acdialup77.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.77) by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 17:44:01 -0000 Message-ID: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:40:13 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: BSD a better OS than Linux? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody have any thoughts on this? Especially the part about "precious few applications". Is this an accurate comparison? ------>http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2299366-2,00.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 10:52: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mercury.mich.com (mercury.mich.com [64.79.64.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DB637BFB1; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:51:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@almanac.yi.org) Received: from argon.gryphonsoft.com (pm006-027.dialup.bignet.net [64.79.81.11]) by mercury.mich.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12153; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:50:51 -0400 Received: by argon.gryphonsoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C0113197E; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:11 -0400 From: Will Andrews To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? Message-ID: <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 11:40:13AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 11:40:13AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > ------>http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2299366-2,00.html In case you didn't notice, this article is a year old. There was a thread about it back then, as I recall.. -- Will Andrews GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 12:31: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B259237C01F for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:30:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 25767 invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2000 19:30:46 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 25750 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 19:30:46 -0000 Received: from acdialup199.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.199) by slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 19:30:46 -0000 Message-ID: <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:26:58 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Andrews Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was hoping someone could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this article have changed between now and it's first posting. Will Andrews wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 11:40:13AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > ------>http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2299366-2,00.html > > In case you didn't notice, this article is a year old. There was a > thread about it back then, as I recall.. > > -- > Will Andrews > GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- > ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ > G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 12:43:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bga.com (mail5.realtime.net [205.238.128.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B8C4537B743 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from outlawtx@bga.com) Received: from john ([204.181.162.73]) by bga.com ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:43:47 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000719145139.01b44af0@bga.com> X-Sender: outlawtx@bga.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:51:39 -0500 To: Joe Warner From: outlawtx@bga.com Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Are Chevys better than Fords? Don At 01:26 PM 7/19/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was hoping someone >could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this article have >changed between now and it's first posting. > >Will Andrews wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 11:40:13AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: >> > ------>http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2299366-2,00.html >> >> In case you didn't notice, this article is a year old. There was a >> thread about it back then, as I recall.. >> >> -- >> Will Andrews >> GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- >> ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ >> G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 12:46:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.visgen.com (uu-t1-6.visgen.com [216.94.71.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E3337B949 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:46:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@visgen.com) Received: from vindicator2.visgen.com (evans-auto-229 [192.168.3.229]) by mail.visgen.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12988 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:46:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000719153554.00c886f0@pophost> X-Sender: scott@pophost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:44:48 -0400 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Scott Augustus Subject: named errors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey! I'm relatively new to FreeBSD but have a lot of experience with OpenBSD. I've got a couple of servers that I'm having difficulty getting named running properly on and can't seem to find much documentation on the topic. I'd say I've got named about 99% done but I'm having problems doing an interactive nslookup from other machines to these freebsd boxes (ie nslookup - freebsdbox) I get the following errors: *** Can't find server name for address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx: Non-existent host/domain *** Default servers are not available However, you can do local interactive nslookups no problem. I'm thinking it might have something to do with hosed PTR records or something. Just wondering if anyone has any tips as to what would cause this to happen or maybe point me at a good named doc for FreeBSD, which I've yet to find! Best Regards, Scott Augustus Systems/Network Administrator Visible Genetics Inc. 291 Evans Ave. Toronto, ON M8Z 5T1 Phone: 416-991-3228 Email: scott@visgen.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 13:20:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66FF637BFBE for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 20450 invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2000 20:20:31 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 20366 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 20:20:27 -0000 Received: from acdialup199.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.104.199) by slkcpop1.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 20:20:27 -0000 Message-ID: <39760CAA.EF23EABC@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:16:43 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: outlawtx@bga.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> <3.0.6.32.20000719145139.01b44af0@bga.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Depends which one has FreeBSD under the hood. 8^} outlawtx@bga.com wrote: > Hi, > > Are Chevys better than Fords? > > Don > > At 01:26 PM 7/19/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was hoping > someone > >could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this article have > >changed between now and it's first posting. > > > >Will Andrews wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2000 at 11:40:13AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > >> > > ------>http://www.zdnet.com/filters/printerfriendly/0,6061,2299366-2,00.html > >> > >> In case you didn't notice, this article is a year old. There was a > >> thread about it back then, as I recall.. > >> > >> -- > >> Will Andrews > >> GCS/E/S @d- s+:+>+:- a--->+++ C++ UB++++ P+ L- E--- W+++ !N !o ?K w--- > >> ?O M+ V-- PS+ PE++ Y+ PGP+>+++ t++ 5 X++ R+ tv+ b++>++++ DI+++ D+ > >> G++>+++ e->++++ h! r-->+++ y? > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jul 19 14:19: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2399437C1AD; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:18:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com ([208.187.122.225]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA17742; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:18:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <39761BF5.12FE8E93@softweyr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:21:57 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: Will Andrews , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner wrote: > > Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was hoping someone > could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this article have > changed between now and it's first posting. None. Only half of it was true then, just like my quotes. ;^) -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 6: 3:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (pop.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9C1637B5F2 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 56190 invoked by alias); 20 Jul 2000 13:03:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 56170 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2000 13:03:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.135) by pop.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2000 13:03:14 -0000 Message-ID: <3976F7AD.9633208F@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:59:25 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wes Peters Cc: Will Andrews , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> <39761BF5.12FE8E93@softweyr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If the information in this article is old and only half true, then why is "bsdtoday" posting it on their web site? --------->http://www.bsdtoday.com/resources/Advocacy/ Wes Peters wrote: > Joe Warner wrote: > > > > Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was hoping someone > > could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this article have > > changed between now and it's first posting. > > None. Only half of it was true then, just like my quotes. ;^) > > -- > "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" > > Wes Peters Softweyr LLC > wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 6:12:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CD7637B555; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:12:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13FG7H-000Dzm-00; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:11:55 +0200 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:11:55 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Joe Warner Cc: Wes Peters , Will Andrews , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? Message-ID: <20000720151155.A53756@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> <39761BF5.12FE8E93@softweyr.com> <3976F7AD.9633208F@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3976F7AD.9633208F@uswest.net>; from jswarner@uswest.net on Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:59:25AM -0600 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2000-07-20 (06:59), Joe Warner wrote: > If the information in this article is old and only half true, then why > is "bsdtoday" posting it on their web site? > --------->http://www.bsdtoday.com/resources/Advocacy/ I don't know. Why don't you ask them? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 6:47: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A1537BAE5 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 06:47:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA17446; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:48:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:48:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view In-Reply-To: <39749BDA.8E6A214B@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > FreeBSD has never catered to the newbie crowd, and I doubt it ever will. > This is a Good Thing. I wholeheartedly disagree. My very first experience with Unix was to put the 2.2.5-Release boot disk into a spare 486 and start installing FreeBSD using FTP over a 28.8 modem. It was a long and steep learning curve, but if someone is determined to learn Unix, I could not recommend a better OS than FreeBSD. The resources are there, they are free, and they make a hell of a lot more sense than the $100/hr "support" that you get with NT. ("It doesn't work? Reinstall. That'll be $100 please.") M To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 9: 0:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DD9037BF3A; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustident!@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20013; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:59:49 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <397722D7.23345F5F@softweyr.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:03:35 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Warner Cc: Will Andrews , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> <39761BF5.12FE8E93@softweyr.com> <3976F7AD.9633208F@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joe Warner wrote: > > If the information in this article is old and only half true, then why is "bsdtoday" > posting it on their web site? > --------->http://www.bsdtoday.com/resources/Advocacy/ Because there isn't any "new news" and they have to publish SOMETHING? The author of that article mis-quoted me twice, which is pretty bad since he only quoted me twice. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 10:37:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F35737B7E0 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:37:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.69.47]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA20C2; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <39773862.DFD6493A@acuson.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:35:30 -0700 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marty Poulin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: new books, changing my pt. of view References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marty Poulin wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > > > > FreeBSD has never catered to the newbie crowd, and I doubt it ever will. > > This is a Good Thing. > > I wholeheartedly disagree. My very first experience with Unix was to put > the 2.2.5-Release boot disk into a spare 486 and start installing FreeBSD > using FTP over a 28.8 modem. > It was a long and steep learning curve, but if someone is determined to > learn Unix, I could not recommend a better OS than FreeBSD. About 99% of newbies who had some small measure of determination could successfully learn FreeBSD and graduate into the intermediate or expert user classes. That wasn't my point. When I look at the Linux distributions that are catering to the newbie crowd, I see stuff that I don't want in FreeBSD. For example, if you look at Corel LinuxOS, you see missing administration and development tools, GUI front-ends for everything else, and little or no choice about which applications to install. This is not necessarily a Bad Thing for Corel, and actually makes sense for its target audience. But FreeBSD is the opposite. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 11: 6:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.240.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAE1837BC8F for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jasonla_@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 58713 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2000 18:06:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000720180641.58712.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.249.20.61 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:06:41 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.249.20.61] From: "Jason La" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cheap O'Reilly Books Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:06:41 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org O'Reilly's books are GREAT, but they are expensive for the newbie and hobbist. Anyone know where I can find some cheaper ones? Thanks, Jason La jasonla_@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 12: 3:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb3-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CDA137BE90 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oscars@mail.utexas.edu) Received: (qmail 28707 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2000 19:03:38 -0000 Received: from chepe.cc.utexas.edu (HELO chepe.mail.utexas.edu) (128.83.135.25) by umbs-smtp-3 with SMTP; 20 Jul 2000 19:03:38 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000720135953.00ad72d0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: oscars@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:00:54 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, jasonla_@hotmail.com From: Oscar Ricardo Silva Subject: Re: Cheap O'Reilly Books In-Reply-To: <20000720180641.58712.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org has some really good prices on books. Oscar At 11:06 AM 7/20/00 -0700, Jason La, you wrote: >O'Reilly's books are GREAT, but they are expensive for the newbie and >hobbist. Anyone know where I can find some cheaper ones? > >Thanks, >Jason La >jasonla_@hotmail.com > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 12:10:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pmr.com (pmr.com [216.30.79.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B04137B591 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Received: from fagan (wiseman.pmr.com [10.1.0.22]) by pmr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA90513; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:10:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sfagan@pmr.com) Message-ID: <01b301bff27e$01ad5100$1600010a@pmr.com> From: "Steve Fagan" To: , , "Oscar Ricardo Silva" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000720135953.00ad72d0@mail.utexas.edu> Subject: Re: Cheap O'Reilly Books Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:09:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.booksonline.com/ Is a good place too. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Ricardo Silva" To: ; Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Cheap O'Reilly Books > has some really good prices on books. > > > Oscar > > At 11:06 AM 7/20/00 -0700, Jason La, you wrote: > >O'Reilly's books are GREAT, but they are expensive for the newbie and > >hobbist. Anyone know where I can find some cheaper ones? > > > >Thanks, > >Jason La > >jasonla_@hotmail.com > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 16:50:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F144F37C208; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA01485; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:19:48 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:19:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Joe Warner Cc: Wes Peters , Will Andrews , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? Message-ID: <20000721091948.K936@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3975E7FD.38257B9A@uswest.net> <20000719134911.O11216@argon.gryphonsoft.com> <39760102.1760559D@uswest.net> <39761BF5.12FE8E93@softweyr.com> <3976F7AD.9633208F@uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <3976F7AD.9633208F@uswest.net> Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 20 July 2000 at 6:59:25 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > Wes Peters wrote: > >> Joe Warner wrote: >>> >>> Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was hoping someone >>> could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this article have >>> changed between now and it's first posting. >> >> None. Only half of it was true then, just like my quotes. ;^) > > If the information in this article is old and only half true, then why is "bsdtoday" > posting it on their web site? > --------->http://www.bsdtoday.com/resources/Advocacy/ It's common enough to keep old articles on web sites. Daemon News does it too. They're not pretending it's new. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 19:10:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f272.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48B5C37C212 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:10:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ntvsunix@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 66654 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2000 02:10:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721021049.66653.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.53.54.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:10:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.53.54.44] From: "Some Person" To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSD a better OS than Linux? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:10:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I see no harm in it. But rather only to better inform the public eye, or, the public's cauntiousness in reviewing FreeBSD more. At the same time, it advocates it. The more info, documents, *books*, news, etc.. etc.. Just helps FreeBSD in a lot of ways! I'm all for it! 200%. My license plate is FreeBSD, and bumper sticker - http://www.freebsd.org/! I want to see FreeBSD get in the spotlight Linux is now, and get what it deserves! KICK A** OS!!! I also like OpenBSD too mind you. >On Thursday, 20 July 2000 at 6:59:25 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: > > Wes Peters wrote: > > > >> Joe Warner wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, I noticed. I guess I should have been more specific. I was >hoping someone > >>> could point out which parts of the BSD related material in this >article have > >>> changed between now and it's first posting. > >> > >> None. Only half of it was true then, just like my quotes. ;^) > > > > If the information in this article is old and only half true, then why >is "bsdtoday" > > posting it on their web site? > > --------->http://www.bsdtoday.com/resources/Advocacy/ > >It's common enough to keep old articles on web sites. Daemon News >does it too. They're not pretending it's new. > >Greg >-- >Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key >See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jul 20 20:14:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU (mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.1.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4EB37B6D3 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alnesbit@students.cs.mu.OZ.AU) Received: from cat.cs.mu.OZ.AU (cat.cs.mu.OZ.AU [128.250.27.66]) by mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU with ESMTP id NAA18108 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:14:38 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (alnesbit@localhost) by cat.cs.mu.OZ.AU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01713 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:14:37 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:14:37 +1000 (EST) From: Andrew Luke NESBIT X-Sender: alnesbit@cat.cs.mu.OZ.AU To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: hostname on standalone machine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, A FreeBSD newbie, I have just freshly installed 4.0-RELEASE and would like to change my hostname from the generic "myname.my.domain". My only connection to the outside world is via a dialup PPP link with dynamic IP address. I have not much knowledge of networking. I am not sure as to what problems may be caused by my selecting a hostname, which, as far as the internet is concerned, does not "really" exist (i.e. is not on any DNS). From my understanding, this is what I must do to set up some hostname more to my liking: 1. edit "/etc/rc.conf" to set my hostname to, say, "araby.an.org.au". 2. edit host.conf to be hosts bind 3. edit hosts to read (from the handbook) 127.0.0.1 localhost.an.org.au localhost 127.0.0.1 localhost.an.org.au. ^ Why the need for the repetition, and why the dot? 10.0.0.1 araby.an.org.au araby 10.0.0.1 araby.an.org.au. ^^^^^^^^ What does this IP address mean? Wouldn't it be better to assign these names to 127.0.0.1 also, so that network data doesn't go through the serial link unnecessarily? (because the info in "hosts" is used only for my machine to send data out to he world, right?) And from my understanding, that's it, provided PPP is set up correctly? Well, that seems to be it. Thanks for your time. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 21 0:56:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp-2.ig.com.br (smtp-2.ig.com.br [200.225.157.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF91537B6EC for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from augusto.bott@via-rs.net) Received: (qmail 18624 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2000 07:59:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ig) (200.213.75.234) by smtp-2.ig.com.br with SMTP; 21 Jul 2000 07:59:33 -0000 Message-ID: <00fe01bff2e9$97676260$0201040a@ig> From: "Augusto Bott" To: References: Subject: Re: hostname on standalone machine Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:59:24 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Andrew! And gurus, forgive me if I'm saying somethig wrong.... > connection to the outside world is via a dialup PPP link with dynamic IP > address. I have not much knowledge of networking. Once I had a LAN which each one of the machines could dial, but I arranged things up so the freebsd box would dial, nice and easy. It doesn't really matter your LAN ip, because the PPP interface sets one for you, and fixes it's routing tables, so, if you 're on a single machine which it's only connection is a ppp dial-up link, you are praticly done. > I am not sure as to what problems may be caused by my selecting a > hostname, which, as far as the internet is concerned, does not "really" > exist (i.e. is not on any DNS). And, to the outside world, doesn't really matters (depending on your ISP, you may have to "belong" (set yours) to their domain). BTW, are you running your own DNS (may be caching lookups?)? > 1. edit "/etc/rc.conf" to set my hostname to, say, "araby.an.org.au". Is this domain from your ISP? Even if it isn't, MAY be no problem... > 2. edit host.conf to be > hosts > bind meaning, it it'll first look on the local table (hosts) , then ask the nameserver. Before item number 4, you may have forgotten about /etc/resolv.conf I don't quite remember mine or have fBSD reachable at this time to quote to you, anyways: nameserver 200.250.46.130 # your ISP's name server IP nameserver 127.0.0.1 # if you run your own... etc... domain some.domain.au # will look for completion, read bellow!!! You may have more than one nameserver, list them in your preferred lookup order... It's good to tell your machine an external nameserver, otherwise you'll probably won't resolve names... (duh...) What the hell is completion: when you are in a lan, and your machine KNOWS you are in such domain, like, "an.org.au", you type "www" in your browser, he asks you system whose IP address it is, it does not find any match, looking in the order told him in host.conf and the way told in resolv.conf. It knows it's domain so it tries to match www + an.org.au, got that? > 3. edit hosts to read (from the handbook) > 127.0.0.1 localhost.an.org.au localhost > 127.0.0.1 localhost.an.org.au. > ^ > Why the need for the repetition, and why the dot? You may have aliases, what's the problem? The dot? Well, the dot means your typing an "absolute name", which means: the box will not try "Completion" (mencioned above) > > 10.0.0.1 araby.an.org.au araby > 10.0.0.1 araby.an.org.au. > ^^^^^^^^ > What does this IP address mean? Wouldn't it be better to assign > these names to 127.0.0.1 also, so that network data doesn't go The 10.x.x.x is a private network, reserved for nets non connected to the internet... (if I'm not completely wrong) which means, your router won't send them trough the serial line > through the serial link unnecessarily? (because the info in "hosts" > is used only for my machine to send data out to he world, right?) Wrong, the information contained in the "hosts" file is for your machine only. It's intended for fast machine lookups on a rather stable ip environment (and small, because you have to keep up to date on EVERY machine on your net, otherwise some will resolve names to wrong addresses...) > And from my understanding, that's it, provided PPP is set up correctly? Setting up PPP is another issue... Good luck! [[]]s Augusto Bott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 21 1:18:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from airfrance.fr (mailnotesout.airfrance.fr [212.234.214.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2583137B85A for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:18:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alboissy@airfrance.fr) Received: by airfrance.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id C1256923.002D9A37 ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:18:05 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: GRAF From: alboissy@airfrance.fr To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:22:05 +0200 Subject: auth bb9208de unsubscribe freebsd-newbies alboissy@airfrance.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth bb9208de unsubscribe freebsd-newbies alboissy@airfrance.fr -- Les donnes et renseignements contenus dans ce message sont personnels, confidentiels et secrets. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 21 1:20: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D23837B700 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 01:19:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p85.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.85]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA66286 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:17:53 +0200 Received: from moritz (moritz [10.0.0.4]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA00441 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:32:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:32:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Gimp-1.1.7 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In 4.0, there is a new Gimp. First, I had the error message "Cant find Gimp.pm", well an afternoon..with this CPAN system. Not shure, if I havent distroyed my Perl things here, or half...half installation of the new version, the binary is the old, all the "helping" scripts are 5.6... Ok, maybe its on the live filesystem. But then, playing with VIDEO, that seems to be the main difference, an xpc (or how the Gimp-files are called) toppm is missing. Then, I cant compile the xanimloki exporting version... Is somebody more happy with it ? H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 21 6:39:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f191.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.191]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6428E37B9F4 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:39:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ewitkop90@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 47158 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2000 13:39:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721133908.47157.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 207.43.195.202 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:39:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [207.43.195.202] From: "erik witkop" To: augusto.bott@via-rs.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hostname on standalone machine Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:39:08 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not to nit-pick but I do like to explore all angles. I do not think you need to put in an external dns ip if you are on a LAN with a proxy. I think, I could be wrong, but the dns, internal or external, will forward the ip, sort of like a bootp helper address, in instances where it cannot find name resolution. I think that a dns server, at last resort will forward to arin,internet, etc.. Any thoughts? >From: "Augusto Bott" >To: >Subject: Re: hostname on standalone machine >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 04:59:24 -0300 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [204.216.27.18] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBB414D3D00A3D82197EFCCD81B1266EC0; Fri Jul 21 00:57:26 2000 >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 538)id 250D537B6FA; Fri, >21 Jul 2000 00:56:34 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])by hub.freebsd.org >(Postfix) with SMTPid 1DE5D2E816F; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:56:34 -0700 >(PDT)(envelope-from owner-freebsd-newbies) >Received: by hub.freebsd.org (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:56:34 >-0700 >Received: from smtp-2.ig.com.br (smtp-2.ig.com.br [200.225.157.61])by >hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DF91537B6ECfor >; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:56:26 -0700 >(PDT)(envelope-from augusto.bott@via-rs.net) >Received: (qmail 18624 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2000 07:59:33 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO ig) (200.213.75.234) by smtp-2.ig.com.br with >SMTP; 21 Jul 2000 07:59:33 -0000 >From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 21 00:59:30 2000 >Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Message-ID: <00fe01bff2e9$97676260$0201040a@ig> >References: >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Precedence: bulk > >Hi Andrew! > >And gurus, forgive me if I'm saying somethig wrong.... > > > connection to the outside world is via a dialup PPP link with dynamic IP > > address. I have not much knowledge of networking. > >Once I had a LAN which each one of the machines could dial, but I arranged >things up so the >freebsd box would dial, nice and easy. It doesn't really matter your LAN >ip, >because the PPP >interface sets one for you, and fixes it's routing tables, so, if you 're >on >a single machine which it's >only connection is a ppp dial-up link, you are praticly done. > > > I am not sure as to what problems may be caused by my selecting a > > hostname, which, as far as the internet is concerned, does not "really" > > exist (i.e. is not on any DNS). > >And, to the outside world, doesn't really matters (depending on your ISP, >you may have to "belong" >(set yours) to their domain). BTW, are you running your own DNS (may be >caching lookups?)? > > > 1. edit "/etc/rc.conf" to set my hostname to, say, "araby.an.org.au". >Is this domain from your ISP? Even if it isn't, MAY be no problem... > > > 2. edit host.conf to be > > hosts > > bind > >meaning, it it'll first look on the local table (hosts) , then ask the >nameserver. >Before item number 4, you may have forgotten about /etc/resolv.conf >I don't quite remember mine or have fBSD reachable at this time to quote >to you, anyways: >nameserver 200.250.46.130 # your ISP's name server IP >nameserver 127.0.0.1 # if you run your own... etc... >domain some.domain.au # will look for completion, read >bellow!!! > >You may have more than one nameserver, list them in your preferred lookup >order... >It's good to tell your machine an external nameserver, otherwise you'll >probably won't >resolve names... (duh...) > >What the hell is completion: when you are in a lan, and your machine KNOWS >you are in >such domain, like, "an.org.au", you type "www" in your browser, he asks you >system >whose IP address it is, it does not find any match, looking in the order >told him in host.conf >and the way told in resolv.conf. It knows it's domain so it tries to match >www + an.org.au, >got that? > > > 3. edit hosts to read (from the handbook) > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.an.org.au localhost > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.an.org.au. > > ^ > > Why the need for the repetition, and why the dot? > >You may have aliases, what's the problem? The dot? Well, the dot means your >typing an >"absolute name", which means: the box will not try "Completion" (mencioned >above) > > > > 10.0.0.1 araby.an.org.au araby > > 10.0.0.1 araby.an.org.au. > > ^^^^^^^^ > > What does this IP address mean? Wouldn't it be better to assign > > these names to 127.0.0.1 also, so that network data doesn't go > >The 10.x.x.x is a private network, reserved for nets non connected to the >internet... >(if I'm not completely wrong) which means, your router won't send them >trough the serial line > > > through the serial link unnecessarily? (because the info in "hosts" > > is used only for my machine to send data out to he world, right?) > >Wrong, the information contained in the "hosts" file is for your machine >only. >It's intended for fast machine lookups on a rather stable ip environment >(and small, because you have to keep up to date on EVERY machine on >your net, otherwise some will resolve names to wrong addresses...) > > > And from my understanding, that's it, provided PPP is set up correctly? > >Setting up PPP is another issue... > >Good luck! > >[[]]s Augusto Bott > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 21 12:36:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bimodal.stat.ualberta.ca (bimodal.stat.ualberta.ca [129.128.51.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B752737BE6E for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from griffith@stat.ualberta.ca) Received: from griffith by bimodal.stat.ualberta.ca with local (Exim 2.12 #1) id 13Fiay-0001sM-00 ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:36:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:36:23 -0600 (MDT) From: griffith@stat.ualberta.ca To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Sources for programming ideas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I find it hard to learn a new programming language without having a specific problem in mind. So the first thing I usually do when I want to learn a new language is to find a good programming problem that the language in question would be suited to solving. Which leads me to ask the group: Do you know of any books or websites that can give good programming ideas, from basic to more advanced problems? Thanks. -- /| /__|_____/ Darren Paul Griffith | | http://www.ualberta.ca/~griffith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jul 21 19:18: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2190137B7FF for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA43580 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:30:08 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:30:08 +1000 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200007220230.MAA43580@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 22 8:39:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.screaming.net (smtp.screaming.net [212.49.224.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9601237B659 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:39:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bigotfo@bigfoot.com) Received: from lexx.my.domain (dyn80-ras22.screaming.net [212.49.245.80] (may be forged)) by smtp.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05583 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:41:12 GMT From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cheap O'Reilly Books Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:38:42 +0100 Organization: The Organisation Reply-To: bigotfo@bigfoot.com Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >O'Reilly's books are GREAT, but they are expensive for the newbie and=20 >hobbist. Anyone know where I can find some cheaper ones? > >Thanks, >Jason La >jasonla_@hotmail.com > Why not get the html versions and save the trees! eg: The Networking CD Bookshelf ISBN 1-56592-523-8 The Unix CD Bookshelf ISBN 1-56592-406-1 HTH John. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 22 11:17:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spectre.honk.org (cr876208-a.flfrd1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.175.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F54237BA41 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:17:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mpoulin@honk.org) Received: from spectre.honk.org (mpoulin@spectre.honk.org [24.42.175.137]) by spectre.honk.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA21462 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:17:36 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:17:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Marty Poulin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD article Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hopefully this little review I wrote will help to convert the masses... http://www.chapters.ca/software/editorial/freebsd/ - M - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jul 22 20:24:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA00B37B521 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 20:24:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: from confusion.net (user-2ive7oa.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.31.10]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26144; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397A649C.509BF19A@confusion.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:21:00 -0400 From: Laurence Berland Organization: B.R.A.T.T. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason La Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Cheap O'Reilly Books References: <20000720180641.58712.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It depends which ones you want, fatbrain.com has three Oreilly on sale at 50% off list, I don't think they're what you'd want though...more generally they have them all (or most) at 20% off list, plus if you buy $100 worth you can use code PET20 to get $20 off. That code is only good through wednesday, but you can usually find them on random web sites for whenever it is you need books. Jason La wrote: > > O'Reilly's books are GREAT, but they are expensive for the newbie and > hobbist. Anyone know where I can find some cheaper ones? > > Thanks, > Jason La > jasonla_@hotmail.com > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. http://stuy.debate.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message