From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 29 1:25:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx-a.qnet.com (mx-a.qnet.com [209.221.198.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B7F37B479 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cello.qnet.com (root@cello.qnet.com [209.221.198.10]) by mx-a.qnet.com (8.9.1a/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA04535; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from STORK (56k-socal-01-39.dial.qnet.com [209.221.198.102]) by cello.qnet.com (8.9.0/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA10998; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:25:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Heredity Choice" To: "James A Wilde" , "Zaitsau, Andrei" Cc: Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 01:16:56 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c04180$9a132860$66c6ddd1@STORK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The UNIX community, let's admit it, has fostered an air of mystique and > complexity since time began. When it was DOS and UNIX unix had > ls, cp, mv, > rm and DOS had dir, copy, move and del. UNIX had clear and DOS had cls. > Within the last two days I have seen comments - in -questions, I think - > speaking denigratingly of cluttered KDE and Gnome windows. Out > there in the > real world, clutered windows are the thing. In here, computer > internals are > fun and the cli is the thing. Windows are for wimps. I had no use for a GUI until web browsers appeared. Lynx is not my favorite. Paul Smith To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 29 2:25: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329A437B479 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 02:24:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p148.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.148]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA173550 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:21:45 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00399 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:55:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 10:55:46 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FW: My Experience With FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <000001c04180$9a132860$66c6ddd1@STORK> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, > I had no use for a GUI until web browsers appeared. Lynx is not my > favorite. I started the net with an old Dos box, a Toshiba 1000 T with the blue screen, connected via tn3270 to a mainframe with VM/CMS. So commandlines were usual. Also webbrowsing with commandlines. Lynx is so fast... The only thing that sux with lynx is writing mails. There is no valid "From:" line and no mailing to the local host, as usual with Pine. The lynx mail wants to connect to the smarthost work9.rhrz.uni-bonn.de and this SMTP host makes a "from: uzs106@work6.rhrz.uni-bonn.de". Similar problems with tin and mail. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 29 17: 1:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.lal3.zyan.com (unix.lal3.zyan.com [64.248.60.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F8AD37B698 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 1483 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2000 01:01:34 -0000 Received: from node-64-248-65-94.dslspeed.zyan.com (HELO alex) (64.248.65.94) by smtp.lal3.zyan.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 01:01:34 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c0420e$023cfaa0$5e41f840@alex.dslspeed.com> From: "alex" To: "FreeBSD" Subject: html editor Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:08:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages??? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Oct 29 17:36:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80E2637B479 for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA28956; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:36:53 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts006d39.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d39.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.51]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA24512; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:36:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:34:29 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: alex Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: html editor In-Reply-To: <000701c0420e$023cfaa0$5e41f840@alex.dslspeed.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages??? vi Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 4:27: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from rubicon.fernonorden.com (unknown [195.139.149.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E6E37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:27:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by fernonorden.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <45PTLV0L>; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: <25879E6A7E74D411B9370050043B7F3E1DFF@fernonorden.com> From: Per Tore Larsen To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Vtun 2.3 and FreeBSD 4.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:24:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. Have a problem one of you might be able to help me with. If any actually has build the vtun port, please tell me how you did this. (The system described is a "clean install". With only bash and pine installed from the ports collection. Everything else is default. When I try to make the the vtun 2.3 under FreeBSD 4.1.1 I get the following error message: (the port is located under: /usr/ports/net/vtun) *-- Start *-- bash-2.04# make This port requires the OpenSSL libarary, which is part of the FreeBSD crypto distribution but not installed on your machine. Please see the "OpenSSL" section in the handbook for instructions on how to obtain and install the FreeBSD OpenSSL distribution. ** Error code 1 Stop. Huh?? To my knowlede OpenSSL is installed by default in FreeBSD 4.0 and greater. When to http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/openssl.html only to verify this. The only option that the handbook could help me with, was that if I wanted some US restricted crypto options I needed to define this in '/etc/make.conf' and run 'make world'. Well, the file '/etc/make.conf' does not exist on my system, and I have never run 'make world' so I desided this shouldn't be nessesary for this port to work. I'm I wrong in this? My system: Freebsd 4.1.1 IPFILTER and IPFILTER_LOG compiled in kernel. Running NAT and a simple IPF config. Ports installed: Bash2 Pine Thanks for any help you could give me, Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 4:35:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp23.singnet.com.sg (smtp23.singnet.com.sg [165.21.101.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E3D37B479; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from netserver01 (ad202.166.105.207.magix.com.sg [202.166.105.207]) by smtp23.singnet.com.sg (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17539; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:35:48 +0800 (envelope-from spades@galaxynet.org) Message-Id: <3.0.32.20001030203630.007b9a50@smtp.magix.com.sg> X-Sender: spades@smtp.magix.com.sg X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:36:33 +0800 To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" From: Spades Subject: Out of memory crash Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Server crashed with an out of memory error and have to reboot it. My kernel operates at MBUFS = 16000 What can i do? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 4:39:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CCE4137B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23377 invoked by alias); 30 Oct 2000 12:39:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 23362 invoked by uid 0); 30 Oct 2000 12:39:34 -0000 Received: from badialup172.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.172) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 12:39:34 -0000 Message-ID: <39FD6B01.585252E1@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:35:13 -0700 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Spades Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Out of memory crash References: <3.0.32.20001030203630.007b9a50@smtp.magix.com.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please send technical questions such as this to FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org. FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions here. Also, these links may be of assistance: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com/ http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd/ Thanks, Joe Spades wrote: > Server crashed with an out of memory error and have to reboot it. > > My kernel operates at MBUFS = 16000 > > What can i do? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 4:41:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop3.slkc.uswest.net (mail.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46DF937B4CF for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:41:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 24119 invoked by alias); 30 Oct 2000 12:41:11 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 24110 invoked by uid 0); 30 Oct 2000 12:41:11 -0000 Received: from badialup172.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.172) by mail.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Oct 2000 12:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <39FD6B62.B75D702C@uswest.net> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:36:50 -0700 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Tore Larsen Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: Vtun 2.3 and FreeBSD 4.1.1 References: <25879E6A7E74D411B9370050043B7F3E1DFF@fernonorden.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pete, Please send technical questions such as this to FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org. FreeBSD-Newbies is a discussion forum for newbies. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions here. Also, these links may be of assistance: http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html http://bsdquickstart.freeservers.com/ http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd/ Thanks, Joe Per Tore Larsen wrote: > Hi. > > Have a problem one of you might be able to help me with. > If any actually has build the vtun port, please tell me how you did this. > (The system described is a "clean install". With only bash and pine > installed from the ports collection. Everything else is default. > > When I try to make the the vtun 2.3 under FreeBSD 4.1.1 I get the following > error message: > (the port is located under: /usr/ports/net/vtun) > > *-- Start *-- > > bash-2.04# make > This port requires the OpenSSL libarary, which is part of the FreeBSD > crypto distribution but not installed on your machine. Please see the > "OpenSSL" section in the handbook for instructions on how to obtain and > install the FreeBSD OpenSSL distribution. > ** Error code 1 > > Stop. > > Huh?? To my knowlede OpenSSL is installed by default in FreeBSD 4.0 and > greater. > > When to http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/openssl.html only to verify this. > The only option that the handbook could help me with, was that if I wanted > some US restricted crypto options I needed to define this in > '/etc/make.conf' > and run 'make world'. Well, the file '/etc/make.conf' does not exist on my > system, and I have never run 'make world' so I desided this shouldn't be > nessesary for this port to work. I'm I wrong in this? > > My system: > Freebsd 4.1.1 > IPFILTER and IPFILTER_LOG compiled in kernel. > Running NAT and a simple IPF config. > Ports installed: > Bash2 > Pine > > Thanks for any help you could give me, > > Pete > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 8:15:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEF3A37B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:15:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p32.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.32]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA34590; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:12:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01568; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:51:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:51:58 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: ML Duke Cc: alex , FreeBSD Subject: Re: html editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ee On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, ML Duke wrote: > > Hi, > > What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages??? > > vi > > Duke > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 8:43:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F44237B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id JAA12680 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:25:51 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:25:50 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: USB Mouse Set (HOWTO) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good day all, When I run into a problem, and manage to work it out eather of my own accord, or as a result of the excelent help garnered from this and other groups I like to recount it for the benifit of others who are perhapes having this problem or may encounter it in the future. I recently purchaced and installed an MS Intelimouse (Optical) on my FreeBSD 4.1.1 system. Having the option I elected to install it as a USB device insed of using the PS/2 adaptor. On boot I noted a new device in the dmesg of /dev/ums0 I loged in as root and went into /stand/sysinstall to configure the new mouse to moused. Unfortunatly I was supprised and disapointed to find that the list of configurable options was limited to PS/2 COMM and Bus mice. There was no option for "Other" or user definable. (Hello install team this might be a good improvment to make for 4.3 RELEASE). I abandoned this effort and went into XFree86 setup to try to configure the mouse there (as X was the only place I would probably us it anyways). Had to work with Keyboard shortcuts to try to configure the mouse. Fortunatly Xfree86 Setup did have an ability to set up an optional port. I entered /dev/ums0 and hit ACCEPT. The pointer came to life. Unfortunatly non of the 5 available buttons were functional (Bummer deal!) I attempted every protocal available to me from the mouse setup screen, and every configuration of buttons but to no avail the buttons were dead. I pluged the mouse into a Winblows box I have laying around and it worked great. O well buttons work..... I went to the freeBSD community next. (How do I get this to work!) Got ansers back from "It dont work and never will" to "Just use the ps/2 adapter you fool" to "Try these options in your rc.conf file and try again" I liked that last anser so here is the solution for all you needing to know: Add the following lines to your rc.conf file: moused_enable="YES" moused_port="/dev/ums0" (or what ever you get in your dmesg) mouned_type="auto" (this is typicaly default and does not need to be set) Reboot the box and your new mouse should be enabled in console mode. Now go into Xfree86 Setup and point the mouse to /dev/sysmouse. StartX and mouse away. Thanks to all thoughs that provided assistance with this problem. Keith Davey Tivoli Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 8:45:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2483537B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:45:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id JAA12691; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:26:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:26:51 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: ML Duke , alex , FreeBSD Subject: Re: html editor In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Emacs! On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > ee > > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, ML Duke wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages??? > > > > vi > > > > Duke > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 10:13:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1A1637B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3F9C; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:16:32 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDB99E.40A96428@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:10:38 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ML Duke Cc: alex , FreeBSD Subject: Re: html editor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ML Duke wrote: > > > Hi, > > What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages??? > > vi I have no idea whether this was meant as a joke or not, but it makes an important point. HTML files are *text* files. vi does work! And it works well! But, I suspect the poster wanted a GUI interface of some kind. I still recommend using a text based editor, instead of a wysiwyg editor. If you're using to FrontPage, time to broaden your horizons (and start writing *valid* html). Emacs/XEmacs has an HTML mode with syntax highlighting and extras. If you use GNOME or KDE, gedit and kwrite are other good options. In fact, kwrite with konqueror for preview and looking up HTML documentation, are all that I need. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 10:34: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1F537B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:34:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4D94 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:37:20 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDBE7E.5310B2B9@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:31:26 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Newbie packages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been thinking of ways to help out newbies that don't involve publishing savvy, programming expertise or marketing skills. Helping out with the documentation is always a good one. But I'm thinking of one particular "hole" in the documentation... What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are chosen for you far in advance. But in FreeBSD you have thousands of unfamilar (to the newbie) packages to look over and choose from. All this choice can be confusing at the novice level. So I'm thinking of creating a short article (unofficial) that lists one or two recommended packages in a variety of categories. I would like to see a short descriptive paragraph, probably taken from the ports, and a couple of comments from users. So I'm soliciting comments on this idea as a whole, and also your comments on packages that you have found to be useful for newbies. The packages I am looking for don't have to be the most powerful, but they should be appropriate for novices. Categories, off the top of my head: text editor, word processor, spreadsheet, window manager, desktop, browser, mailer, image processing, image viewing. I also want a list of packages that are difficult for the novice, but still essential to learn (like vi), and a list of any "required" packages that aren't installed by default. Thanks, David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11: 0:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F4D37B682 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id LAA12933; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:42:44 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:42:44 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDBE7E.5310B2B9@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > I've been thinking of ways to help out newbies that don't involve > publishing savvy, programming expertise or marketing skills. Helping out > with the documentation is always a good one. But I'm thinking of one > particular "hole" in the documentation... > > What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install > for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for > beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand > new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. > With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are > chosen for you far in advance. But in FreeBSD you have thousands of > unfamilar (to the newbie) packages to look over and choose from. All > this choice can be confusing at the novice level. Personaly I think that the only packages a newbie should consern them selves with at first at the Man Pages. Learn the system, then experiment with the ports. However this is just IMHO :) > > So I'm thinking of creating a short article (unofficial) that lists one > or two recommended packages in a variety of categories. I would like to > see a short descriptive paragraph, probably taken from the ports, and a > couple of comments from users. > > So I'm soliciting comments on this idea as a whole, and also your > comments on packages that you have found to be useful for newbies. The > packages I am looking for don't have to be the most powerful, but they > should be appropriate for novices. This could be a dificult list to construct. There will be several opinions on what is best to do. Give newbies a REAL TE like VI or Emacs (abid not easy to learn, but very effective) Or do we give them "training wheels" like PICO or JED to start with and hope they outgrow it... >Categories, off the top of my head: text editor, word processor, > spreadsheet, window manager, desktop, browser, mailer, image processing, > image viewing. I also want a list of packages that are difficult for the > novice, but still essential to learn (like vi), and a list of any > "required" packages that aren't installed by default. > > Thanks, > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11: 4:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 782D637B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACC33326E; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97153326D; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:28:16 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:28:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDBE7E.5310B2B9@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install > for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for > beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand > new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. > With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are I dimly remeber seeing something just like this... but of course I can't find a link right now. I know that at least one of the FreeBSD books coming out soon has such a list. I'd love to see something like this again, and I'm willing to host it on my site too if needed. :) (With proper credit of course.) Sue may even be willing to add it to the official FreeBSD newbies site, which would be even better. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11:14:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9A737B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA68AC; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:17:32 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDC7EB.725FA054@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:11:39 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keith Davey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Keith Davey wrote: > This could be a dificult list to construct. There will be several > opinions on what is best to do. Give newbies a REAL TE like VI or Emacs > (abid not easy to learn, but very effective) Or do we give them "training > wheels" like PICO or JED to start with and hope they outgrow it... This is the big question, and I don't have an answer. We can tell the newbie to learn vi, but if they "fall and skin their knees", they may go back to Windows. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11:30: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E2237B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:30:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA57353; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:18:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:18:15 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: David Johnson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDBE7E.5310B2B9@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Interesting. I did this for the book I was writing (which got cancelled) in conjunction with the installation chapters--i.e., what packages to install on installation (cvsup and bash and perhaps lynx), on configuration (desktop setup). I reviewed some 37 software categories exclusive of foreign languages; with 3,500+ software applications, there's a lot of stuff. I addressed using ee, pico, and vi separately. I was not certain about all my picks in stuff like sound. Maybe I should post this to my web page for your amusement and comment. Annelise On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > I've been thinking of ways to help out newbies that don't involve > publishing savvy, programming expertise or marketing skills. Helping out > with the documentation is always a good one. But I'm thinking of one > particular "hole" in the documentation... > > What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install > for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for > beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand > new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. > With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are > chosen for you far in advance. But in FreeBSD you have thousands of > unfamilar (to the newbie) packages to look over and choose from. All > this choice can be confusing at the novice level. > > So I'm thinking of creating a short article (unofficial) that lists one > or two recommended packages in a variety of categories. I would like to > see a short descriptive paragraph, probably taken from the ports, and a > couple of comments from users. > > So I'm soliciting comments on this idea as a whole, and also your > comments on packages that you have found to be useful for newbies. The > packages I am looking for don't have to be the most powerful, but they > should be appropriate for novices. > > Categories, off the top of my head: text editor, word processor, > spreadsheet, window manager, desktop, browser, mailer, image processing, > image viewing. I also want a list of packages that are difficult for the > novice, but still essential to learn (like vi), and a list of any > "required" packages that aren't installed by default. > > Thanks, > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11:30:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16CA37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:30:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C856326E; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6996C326D for ; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:53:55 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 11:53:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDC7EB.725FA054@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > This could be a dificult list to construct. There will be several > > opinions on what is best to do. Give newbies a REAL TE like VI or Emacs > > (abid not easy to learn, but very effective) Or do we give them "training > > wheels" like PICO or JED to start with and hope they outgrow it... > > This is the big question, and I don't have an answer. We can tell the > newbie to learn vi, but if they "fall and skin their knees", they may go > back to Windows. Easy... break it up into two or more lists. Each list builds upon the next, so Pico could be on the first list, then VI on the second. Apache and Sendmail up on the third. If each program had a tutorial link on it, that would be even better. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11:38:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADD237B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA57420; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:34:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:34:51 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Rick Hamell Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick, which books are coming out soon? Urban, Michael: Teach Yourself FreeBSD in 21 Days has been cancelled. Anderson, Annelise: FreeBSD for Dummies has been cancelled. The Addison-Wesley book (FreeBSDDiary folks) is in process of a new proposal/outline being prepared....so it's not quite imminent. Lehey's next book is Advanced BSD System Administration.... FreeBSD Handbook is the handbook in chunks.... Middlestaedt, Ted is an advanced book (as I recall, proofreading etc. is done so this should be out in a few weeks, but won't serve this purpose). Anything else? Annelise On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Rick Hamell wrote: > > > What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install > > for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for > > beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand > > new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. > > With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are > > I dimly remeber seeing something just like this... but of course I > can't find a link right now. I know that at least one of the FreeBSD books > coming out soon has such a list. I'd love to see something like this > again, and I'm willing to host it on my site too if needed. :) (With > proper credit of course.) Sue may even be willing to add it to the > official FreeBSD newbies site, which would be even better. :) > > Rick > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11:48:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8ED37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id OAA27250; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma027196; Mon, 30 Oct 00 14:48:24 -0500 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:32:49 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'Keith Davey'" , "'David Johnson'" Subject: RE: Newbie packages Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:32:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think the key would not be to tell them to use XXX or YYY, but that XXX is real popular and give the advantages. This allows the newbie to explore the ports section in a semi-guided fashion. Let the newbie try vi and dump it if they don't like it, as long as they learn there are 50 other TE's available to them in the ports. When I was first setting up FreeBSD (I am still a newbie), I had a lot of trouble figuring out which of the ports/packages were worthwhile. I would much rather have a nice article on each of the popular or more useful ports. I make use of maybe 0.05% of the ports, simply because I don't whats there and what is worthwhile. I am still amazed that I never knew of the vnc port! ...Michael... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David Johnson > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 2:12 PM > To: Keith Davey > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Newbie packages > > > Keith Davey wrote: > > > This could be a dificult list to construct. There will be several > > opinions on what is best to do. Give newbies a REAL TE > like VI or Emacs > > (abid not easy to learn, but very effective) Or do we give > them "training > > wheels" like PICO or JED to start with and hope they outgrow it... > > This is the big question, and I don't have an answer. We can tell the > newbie to learn vi, but if they "fall and skin their knees", > they may go > back to Windows. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 11:59:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC0537B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:59:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EF06A326E; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:22:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EDB326D; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:22:44 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 12:22:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Annelise Anderson Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Rick, which books are coming out soon? > Middlestaedt, Ted is an advanced book (as I recall, proofreading etc. > is done so this should be out in a few weeks, but won't serve this > purpose). This one is coming out really soon, proofreading has been done for about two months now. It's actually geared towards experienced Network admins coming into a FreeBSD or Unix environment for the first time. So it does make some assumitions on your basic computers/windows knowledge, but next to none on your FreeBSD-knowledge. It had a list in it of suggested programs, but was not categorized down any, which is what I think we need. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 12: 0:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C4037B657 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:00:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA57474; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:49:50 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: David Johnson Cc: ML Duke , alex , FreeBSD Subject: Re: html editor In-Reply-To: <39FDB99E.40A96428@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought bluefish was one of the possibilities in this area. Sure, you can do html in a text editor. There's also an enormous time saving in software that inserts some of these repetitive strings with a click. But I thought this was a "no substantive questions or answers" list? Annelise On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > ML Duke wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages??? > > > > vi > > I have no idea whether this was meant as a joke or not, but it makes an > important point. HTML files are *text* files. vi does work! And it works > well! > > But, I suspect the poster wanted a GUI interface of some kind. I still > recommend using a text based editor, instead of a wysiwyg editor. If > you're using to FrontPage, time to broaden your horizons (and start > writing *valid* html). Emacs/XEmacs has an HTML mode with syntax > highlighting and extras. If you use GNOME or KDE, gedit and kwrite are > other good options. In fact, kwrite with konqueror for preview and > looking up HTML documentation, are all that I need. > > David > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 12:37:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r07.mail.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFE137B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:37:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from MrK1nt@aol.com by imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id u.e8.bcc5d6c (15905); Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:36:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from web29.aolmail.aol.com (web29.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.222.5]) by air-id09.mx.aol.com (v76_r1.20) with ESMTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:36:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:36:33 EST From: MrK1nt@aol.com Subject: Re: Newbie packages To: , Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are any of you guys in the NYC area? Cause im a newbie to Unix/FreeBSD and i'd love to be able to meet up with anyone who can really school me on this stuff. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 13: 5: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D0237B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D263326E; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:28:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21838326D; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:28:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:28:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: MrK1nt@aol.com Cc: andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not I, but check out www.freebsd.org/newbies.html Scroll down to the bottom and click on the link that says 'user groups.' Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 MrK1nt@aol.com wrote: > Are any of you guys in the NYC area? Cause im a newbie to Unix/FreeBSD and > i'd love to be able to meet up with anyone who can really school me on this > stuff. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 13: 8:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894B037B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:08:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA3505; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:12:10 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDE2C8.D5A7C713@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:06:16 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Annelise Anderson Cc: FreeBSD Subject: Re: html editor References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Annelise Anderson wrote: > > I thought bluefish was one of the possibilities in this area. > Sure, you can do html in a text editor. There's also an > enormous time saving in software that inserts some of these > repetitive strings with a click. > > But I thought this was a "no substantive questions or answers" > list? I would think that discussing which tools are available does not count as a technical question. It may be substantive, but still within the purvue of -newbie, IMHO. The answers given here on this topic will be just as valid (and varied) as answers given in -questions. Who can say that answering "vi" is any more right or wrong than answering "bluefish"? Remember, the question was NOT "how do I do ", but rather "What is a good html/php editor to install from ports or packages?" David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 13:41:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D6ED37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:41:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4840 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:45:04 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDEA7E.3E42BA0A@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:39:10 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, let me tighten up my proposal slightly after receiving a few comments: Document Title: "A Newbie's Guide to the Ports Collection" Sections: One for each ports category. Subsections where appropriate, such as web browsers and email under net. Also meta-sections where appropriate, such as office suites. Under each section there should be two entries for each of "beginning", "intermediate" and "advanced". An individual package can be in more than one section. Packages should have one or two comments by users, and a description. Links to additional information are encouraged. Ratings on the order of "ease of use", "raw power", "geek factor", etc. are a possibility. I don't want any overall ratings. I would limit it to packages available on the FreeBSD CD's. As for hosting this document, I can easily do it, and would place it under a BSD or freer license for all to use, post and modify. I'm not that great with dynamic content and stuff, and I don't have a public cvs server, but I can do it up in DocBook. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 13:47:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (aaa.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E3437B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 13:47:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.47]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G39J7800.APH for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:47:32 -0900 Message-ID: <39FDECB9.D8BCF650@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:48:41 -0900 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: html editor References: <39FDE2C8.D5A7C713@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: snipped > I would think that discussing which tools are available does not count > as a technical question. It may be substantive, but still within the > purvue of -newbie, IMHO. The answers given here on this topic will be > just as valid (and varied) as answers given in -questions. > > Who can say that answering "vi" is any more right or wrong than > answering "bluefish"? Remember, the question was NOT "how do I do > ", but rather "What is a good html/php > editor to install from ports or packages?" I agree, this topic is more along the lines of an opinion based on personal experience. And newbies may have a more similar frame of reference for these types of opinions than veterans, who may be expert in the text editor of their choice and so find something like vi to be an easy way to edit html. As a newbie, I'm using vi for everything I do, so that in my limited time for "playing" with UNIX-like operating systems I get better at the text editor that's most universal yet still quite powerful. That said, I doubt that if I wanted to be productive (as in paid work time) with html editing, as someone new to vi, that I would choose vi for that, at least not yet anyway. My limited experience with html has all been on windows, but I still preferred text editors with syntax highlighting and maybe some auto insertion of closing tags to wysiwyg page layout type programs. Someone's previous suggestion of the combination of Kwrite and Konqueror sounded pretty good to me as a specific solution to the original question. I haven't gotten the chance to check out Konqueror specifically, but kwrite was very simple/easy to use - I needed no manual or cheat-sheet of keycodes to be productive, but I wasn't doing html either. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message my two cents, -- ****************************************************************************************** Brian Raynes ****************************************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 14: 0:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D1037B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7EABB326E; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:23:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639C1326D; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:23:47 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 14:23:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: David Johnson Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDEA7E.3E42BA0A@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Under each section there should be two entries for each of "beginning", > "intermediate" and "advanced". An individual package can be in more than > one section. Packages should have one or two comments by users, and a > description. Links to additional information are encouraged. Ratings on > the order of "ease of use", "raw power", "geek factor", etc. are a > possibility. I don't want any overall ratings. At this point this almost sounds like it'd be easier to add to each port's description.... If the user is going to have to to through the trouble of reading each of these that'd be easier. I still think as "suggested" list is the better track, heck even both would be a good idea. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 14:14:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFEC37B4CF for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:14:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id RAA21935; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:14:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma021857; Mon, 30 Oct 00 17:13:53 -0500 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Cc: "'David Johnson'" , "'Rick Hamell'" Subject: RE: Newbie packages Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:13:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I agree, what's the point of having everything divided among 'beginning', 'intermediate', etc. Just label it with one of these tags. I am a newbie, but perhaps not a much as others, how do I know to look at the intermediate list?? Should I read each list? If I have to read each list, then why have some ports listed in each? Another problem is, what constitutes these categories? Is Sendmal advanced? While it might be, it is also a basic service. Is qmail? It is easy to setup but can be rather advanced when you get into some of the advanced features and add-ins. I just don't think breaking up the ports/packages into beginning/intermediate/advanced lists will be that useful. I agree with another user, who said that meta-categories will help a great deal, such as mail transfer agents, web servers, office suites, etc. Someone else mentioned another idea I like a lot. To have links to web sites and How-to sites for the various packages. This would have helped me a lot when setting up qmail for the first time. Another good idea is a cross-link list, so that I can look up all the related packages/ports to qmail, or apache, etc. Would make it real easy to find add-ons, etc. ...Michael... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Rick Hamell > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 9:24 AM > To: David Johnson > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG' > Subject: Re: Newbie packages > > > > > Under each section there should be two entries for each of > "beginning", > > "intermediate" and "advanced". An individual package can be > in more than > > one section. Packages should have one or two comments by > users, and a > > description. Links to additional information are > encouraged. Ratings on > > the order of "ease of use", "raw power", "geek factor", etc. are a > > possibility. I don't want any overall ratings. > > At this point this almost sounds like it'd be easier to add to > each port's description.... If the user is going to have to > to through the > trouble of reading each of these that'd be easier. I still think as > "suggested" list is the better track, heck even both would be > a good idea. > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 14:17:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FFD37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:17:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5D31; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:20:36 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDF2CF.A0E53CA9@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:14:39 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Hamell Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rick Hamell wrote: > At this point this almost sounds like it'd be easier to add to > each port's description.... If the user is going to have to to through the > trouble of reading each of these that'd be easier. I still think as > "suggested" list is the better track, heck even both would be a good idea. But at last count there were 4004 packages! I don't want to get this document too involved, only a few packages in each area, and just a couple of comments for them. What I am trying to avoid is spending hours going through all of the package descriptions during installation. By now most of us know which ones we use and need, but for the first time user, particularly if they aren't coming over from the Linux world, 4004 choices to make is VERY intimidating. One friend of mine tried out SuSE and aborted the installation to take a deep breath. And it only had about 2000 packages. His first question to me was "which editor should I install, 'cause there's twelve of them here?" David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 14:23:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8928037B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA620E; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:27:06 -0800 Message-ID: <39FDF458.541D3C25@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:21:12 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "SILVER, MICHAEL A" wrote: > > I agree, what's the point of having everything divided among 'beginning', > 'intermediate', etc. Just label it with one of these tags. I am a newbie, > but perhaps not a much as others, how do I know to look at the intermediate > list?? Should I read each list? If I have to read each list, then why have > some ports listed in each? I'm going to do up a quick "dummy" category as if it were the finished product, then post it here. Then we can see what the final thing will look like (somewhat). A prototype, if you will. Then we can tweak it into the format that works for most people. Give me some time getting this together though... I see that there is interest, so at least I've shot the arrow somewhere near the target :-) David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 14:43:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB0A37B479 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:43:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ACEF8326E; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F49326D; Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:06:57 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:06:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: David Johnson Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: <39FDF2CF.A0E53CA9@acuson.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > At this point this almost sounds like it'd be easier to add to > > each port's description.... If the user is going to have to to through the > > trouble of reading each of these that'd be easier. I still think as > > "suggested" list is the better track, heck even both would be a good idea. > > But at last count there were 4004 packages! I don't want to get this > document too involved, only a few packages in each area, and just a > couple of comments for them. What I am trying to avoid is spending hours > going through all of the package descriptions during installation. I agree.... there is no reason in a million years to do this for every single package. Lets do this then: Each person write a list of the 5 programs they think a "newbie who's looking at a command prompt for the first time will need." Make a 2nd list with 5 more programs that build upon that, then possibly a third list. 1st list - Newbie Friendly Pine/Pico <-Editing files of course and mailing capabilities. Postfix <- Only because it's easier to configure for a newbie XFree86 <- Most people from a Windows world feel most comfortable there. The only problem we'd have at this point is which Windows manager. :) Though I'd suggest FVM or one of the "Windows 95" GUIs Apache <- Again very basic setup info Sound programs....? Hmm... now that I'm looking at it this needs to be broken down further to workstation/dedicated server/combo. :( But we don't want to over whealm the newbie with too much. Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 15:10:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0509B37B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:10:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA15537; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:10:20 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d06.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d06.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.114]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA11117; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:10:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:07:47 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: Annelise Anderson Cc: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > So I'm thinking of creating a short article (unofficial) that lists one > > or two recommended packages in a variety of categories. Excellent idea. I remember being so confused even to make a port to _try_ an application was a trial: "make? right. What's make?" Seems we can do that right here on this list real simple like. For starters I would recommend: Lynx Pine Netscape ee ispell xpdf CorelWP gimp Course that's just me. With enough contributions, we could probably cover most everything right here on newbies. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 15:11:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E9137B4C5 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:11:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA13841; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:11:06 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d06.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d06.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.114]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA18981; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:10:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:08:17 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" , "'Keith Davey'" , "'David Johnson'" Subject: RE: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > and what is worthwhile. I am still amazed that I never knew of the vnc > port! This is a good example, and I bet I'm not alone: What's vnc? I know, I can do a locate and read the description, but it was some time down the road before I knew that. ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 15:26:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6187F37B4CF for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA68522; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:26:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdh68520; Tue Oct 31 09:26:03 2000 Message-ID: <089901c042c9$d01c7700$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "ML Duke" , "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: , "'Keith Davey'" , "'David Johnson'" References: Subject: Re: Newbie packages Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:33:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My 0.2cents worth ...... for those who may be interested in "real world" use of FreeBSD, some info on straightforward setup of printing to "common or garden variety" inkjet printers would be very useful. There is a brilliant commercial application (ESP Print Pro) available for the likes of Solaris / D-ux / HP-ux but to date the only vaguely similar thing I've seen specifically for FreeBSD is quite poxy by comparison. Maybe someone has managed to port ESP Print Pro to FreeBSD, although I couldn't find anything on the subject in the mailing list archives. I'm aware of the "cups" stuff but its quite limited in comparison with the ESP thingy. FWIW, I'd like to see the VNC application included as a standard package in FreeBSD .... its infinitely more usable than commercial Windows equivalents like pcAnywhere / Terminal Services / etc & has the advantage of being usable in virtually all operating systems. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ML Duke" To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: ; "'Keith Davey'" ; "'David Johnson'" Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 7:08 AM Subject: RE: Newbie packages > > and what is worthwhile. I am still amazed that I never knew of the vnc > > port! > > This is a good example, and I bet I'm not alone: > What's vnc? > > I know, I can do a locate and read the description, > but it was some time down the road before I knew that. > > ML Duke > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Oct 30 17:20:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.mailsender (unknown [211.5.191.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525D737B479; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:20:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from add ([10.0.0.100]) by proxy.mailsender (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA07134; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:07:26 +0900 From: add@nozokibeya.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:07:57 +0900 Subject: =?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCJDMkcyRQJHMkTyEqGyhC?= To: add@nozokibeya.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; 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Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:11:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p63.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.63]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA233664 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:08:22 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00796 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:52:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:52:30 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This could be a dificult list to construct. There will be several > opinions on what is best to do. Give newbies a REAL TE like VI or Emacs > (abid not easy to learn, but very effective) Or do we give them "training > wheels" like PICO or JED to start with and hope they outgrow it... Depends on what you want. Me, I just needed something simple to make ASCII. ee was ok. I once installed some kind of emacs, it was 60 MB or so. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 3:11:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDFC37B4CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p63.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.63]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA334786; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:08:29 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00782; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:45:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:45:53 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Annelise Anderson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was not certain about all my picks in stuff like sound. Maybe I > should post this to my web page for your amusement and comment. > > Annelise Dear Annelise, please do so. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 3:11:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119BA37B4CF for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p63.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.63]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA530398; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:08:32 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00789; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:48:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:48:45 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Annelise Anderson Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I was not certain about all my picks in stuff like sound. Maybe I > should post this to my web page for your amusement and comment. > > Annelise Dear Annelise, please do so. I liked your newbie text. And even if it wasnt the bible, many views are possible, I learned a lot, how to run this thing in practice. Thanks !! H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 3:11:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB04C37B4D7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p63.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.63]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA530400; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:08:33 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA00803; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:55:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:55:28 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Rick Hamell Cc: David Johnson , "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Postfix <- Only because it's easier to configure for a newbie Are you shure ? ;-) There is a nice page in the FAQ, covering all you need, by Joerg Wunsch. Well written, perfect. I wish such pages would exist for fetchmail and procmail as well. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 3:17:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6221A37B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 03:17:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from coldie (dialup-t1-340.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.251.86]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id e9VBH8x74415 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:17:08 +1100 (EST) Message-Id: <200010311117.e9VBH8x74415@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> X-Sender: rgipps@pop.netspace.net.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:12:52 +1100 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Richard Gipps Subject: Fwd: Re: Newbie packages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:44:59 +1100 >To: David Johnson >From: Richard Gipps >Subject: Re: Newbie packages > >At 10:31 30/10/00 -0800, you wrote: > >I think this would be a really good idea. I think the main emphasis should be on getting people to run BSD (and get away from Windows), so having a list of 'getting started' packages is the go. Wether soemone runs vi or not is really not relavant to the cause. > >Richard. > >>I've been thinking of ways to help out newbies that don't involve >>publishing savvy, programming expertise or marketing skills. Helping out >>with the documentation is always a good one. But I'm thinking of one >>particular "hole" in the documentation... >> >>What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install >>for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for >>beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand >>new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. >>With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are >>chosen for you far in advance. But in FreeBSD you have thousands of >>unfamilar (to the newbie) packages to look over and choose from. All >>this choice can be confusing at the novice level. >> >>So I'm thinking of creating a short article (unofficial) that lists one >>or two recommended packages in a variety of categories. I would like to >>see a short descriptive paragraph, probably taken from the ports, and a >>couple of comments from users. >> >>So I'm soliciting comments on this idea as a whole, and also your >>comments on packages that you have found to be useful for newbies. The >>packages I am looking for don't have to be the most powerful, but they >>should be appropriate for novices. >> >>Categories, off the top of my head: text editor, word processor, >>spreadsheet, window manager, desktop, browser, mailer, image processing, >>image viewing. I also want a list of packages that are difficult for the >>novice, but still essential to learn (like vi), and a list of any >>"required" packages that aren't installed by default. >> >>Thanks, >> >>David >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 7:10:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FD737B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id KAA08167; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma008026; Tue, 31 Oct 00 10:09:33 -0500 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:09:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'ML Duke'" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Newbie packages Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:09:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org vnc is remote control software, like PC Anywhere, except open source. Very impressive, lets you control win2000, win98, X, Mac, even Palm! I was stunned when I first heard about such powerful software. I now have my FreeBSD server (without a monitor) in the garage and can still run X software from any computer running win2000 and win98 in my house, without an X server. http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ ...Michael... > -----Original Message----- > From: ML Duke [mailto:mlduke@concentric.net] > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 4:08 PM > To: SILVER, MICHAEL A > Cc: 'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'; 'Keith Davey'; 'David Johnson' > Subject: RE: Newbie packages > > > > and what is worthwhile. I am still amazed that I never > knew of the vnc > > port! > > This is a good example, and I bet I'm not alone: > What's vnc? > > I know, I can do a locate and read the description, > but it was some time down the road before I knew that. > > ML Duke > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 7:14: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB1F37B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id KAA08573; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:13:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma008492; Tue, 31 Oct 00 10:12:53 -0500 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:12:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'Doug Young'" Cc: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Newbie packages Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:12:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Doug Young > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:33 PM > To: ML Duke; SILVER, MICHAEL A > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; 'Keith Davey'; 'David Johnson' > Subject: Re: Newbie packages > FWIW, I'd like to see the VNC application included as a > standard package in > FreeBSD .... its infinitely > more usable than commercial Windows equivalents like > pcAnywhere / Terminal > Services / etc & has the > advantage of being usable in virtually all operating systems. It is in the ports, out of curiousity, why would you want it as a package also? Just for speed? ...Michael... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 8: 8:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from os2.ami.com.au (os2.ami.com.au [203.55.31.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662CF37B4E5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from emu.os2.ami.com.au (IDENT:root@c0s14.ami.com.au [203.55.31.79]) by os2.ami.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA13860 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:07:45 +0800 Received: from possum.os2.ami.com.au (IDENT:summer@possum.os2.ami.com.au [192.168.1.6]) by emu.os2.ami.com.au (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e9V0GrW22807 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:17:47 +0800 Message-Id: <200010310017.e9V0GrW22807@emu.os2.ami.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie packages In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:42:44 MST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:19:15 +0800 From: John Summerfield Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, David Johnson wrote: > > > I've been thinking of ways to help out newbies that don't involve > > publishing savvy, programming expertise or marketing skills. Helping out > > with the documentation is always a good one. But I'm thinking of one > > particular "hole" in the documentation... > > > > What about a list of appropriate and/or recommended packages to install > > for newbies? Many Linux distributions have recommended packages for > > beginners, which are selected by default. Instead of making the brand > > new user select from two dozen text editors, one is selected by default. > > With consumer-oriented operating systems (windows/mac), the packages are > > chosen for you far in advance. But in FreeBSD you have thousands of > > unfamilar (to the newbie) packages to look over and choose from. All > > this choice can be confusing at the novice level. > > Personaly I think that the only packages a newbie should consern them > selves with at first at the Man Pages. Learn the system, then experiment > with the ports. However this is just IMHO :) They will frighten most newcomers off. I think first we need to get it to install readily to a state that most newcomers can use. I installed 4.1.1 a few days ago. Starts up in text mode, 80x25. That's the resolution I used on mainframes in 1976. Took me quite a while to get to 80x60; I can't get wider, though i really think the hardware can do it. I revisted the installer and selecte 'kde desktop' and it very nicely installed lots of kde (but didn't ask what parts I wanted; I don't think that games are essential) However, I found no option to start KDE automatically. On editing /etc/ttys I found how I might make xdm start automatically, but xdm ain't kdm. I started kdm manually; when I log in with it, I get twm, unless I'm root. That includes an account (j) known only on my FB system. I share home directories with Linux (where I have KDE and GNOOME both working); I' am NOT going to put anything in home directories to make KDE start automatically - to do so would likely break KDE and GNOME on Linux (I got caught on that one with RHL 5.x and 6.x) There is a heap of scope for decent configuration tools for printers, GUIs, X (I got lucky with that) I'm thinking I will drop FreeBSD from that box (Linux is faster anyway, and I'm better at setting it up) and putting it on another box where it won't matter if I break something. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 13: 4:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37DB37B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:04:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA84621; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:04:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdf84618; Wed Nov 1 07:04:18 2000 Message-ID: <006101c0437f$2e745f60$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Newbie packages Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:11:47 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wasn't aware it was in ports ..... but then isn't that what this whole thread is about ?? There appears to be a HEAP of stuff in packages / ports / wherever without sufficient explanation of what the thing does. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'Doug Young'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:12 AM Subject: RE: Newbie packages > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Doug Young > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:33 PM > > To: ML Duke; SILVER, MICHAEL A > > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; 'Keith Davey'; 'David Johnson' > > Subject: Re: Newbie packages > > FWIW, I'd like to see the VNC application included as a > > standard package in > > FreeBSD .... its infinitely > > more usable than commercial Windows equivalents like > > pcAnywhere / Terminal > > Services / etc & has the > > advantage of being usable in virtually all operating systems. > > It is in the ports, out of curiousity, why would you want it as a package > also? Just for speed? > > ...Michael... > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 13: 6:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3C9337B4D7 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id QAA03032; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:06:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.248.69) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma002954; Tue, 31 Oct 00 16:06:16 -0500 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:06:15 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'Doug Young'" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Newbie packages Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:06:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You hit the nail on the head. > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Young [mailto:dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au] > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 4:12 PM > To: SILVER, MICHAEL A > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Newbie packages > > > I wasn't aware it was in ports ..... but then isn't that what this > whole thread is about ?? There appears to be a HEAP of stuff > in packages / ports / wherever without sufficient explanation of > what the thing does. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 13:11:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gus33.homeip.net (hybrid-024-221-140-147.az.sprintbbd.net [24.221.140.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A870737B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kdavey@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gus33.homeip.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id NAA16975 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:53:44 -0700 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:53:44 -0700 (MST) From: Keith Davey To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: dmesg in Install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Good Day, I have recently completed an install of a FreeBSD 4.1.1 system. I noted a (what I felt) glaring deficiency in the install process that I would like to have made noted of. (Now I completely understand that I may have simply over looked this and if so I apologize). It occures to me that during the install of FreeBSD there is no way to go back thru the dmesg and note what hardware was detected at what locations. This seems to me to be something that would be helpful to know prior to blowing away are rewriting disk partitions. Other systems (notably SuSE Linux) allow the installer to review the detected hardware (and load kernel modules to pick up missed hardware) prior to the install process ever beginning. I would like to petition this group for opinions on the viability and usefulness of this as an improvement to be made in the FreeBSD install program. Keith Davey Tivoli Systems To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 13:13:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from msa.hinet.net (msa.hinet.net [168.95.4.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E68A37B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:13:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from CoreBit.com (h45.s180.ts.hinet.net [168.95.180.45]) by msa.hinet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA12203 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 05:13:20 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <39FF35DC.D1EA5D6F@CoreBit.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 05:13:00 +0800 From: Donny Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NewBies Subject: Load balance & cluster management tool Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, Is there any port/package that offers load balance and cluster management in fbsd port collection? thanks for advise. -- // Donny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 13:18: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 133B737B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:18:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA84794; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:17:47 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdf84792; Wed Nov 1 07:17:45 2000 Message-ID: <008b01c04381$0f7b87d0$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Newbie packages Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:25:14 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't suppose anyone knows about a nice printing application for the "real world" that provides for a GUI setup & reasonably high resolution (600dpi) color printing to regular "common or garden variety" color inkjet printers without the need to stuff around with witchcraft (a la ghostscript). There is a very nice commercial app called "ESP Print Pro" for Solaris / D-UX / HP-UX but nothing much else that I'm aware of. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'Doug Young'" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 7:06 AM Subject: RE: Newbie packages > You hit the nail on the head. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Young [mailto:dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 4:12 PM > > To: SILVER, MICHAEL A > > Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Newbie packages > > > > > > I wasn't aware it was in ports ..... but then isn't that what this > > whole thread is about ?? There appears to be a HEAP of stuff > > in packages / ports / wherever without sufficient explanation of > > what the thing does. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 13:19:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gargoyle.apana.org.au (gargoyle-xl0.apana.org.au [210.215.3.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA4337B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 13:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gargoyle.apana.org.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA84815; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:19:18 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by gargoyle.apana.org.au, id smtpdU84811; Wed Nov 1 07:19:15 2000 Message-ID: <009901c04381$458e4dd0$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: Subject: Re: Installation problems with freebsd 4.1.1 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:26:45 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How did you get on with this ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "James" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: Installation problems with freebsd 4.1.1 > Howdy, > > I hope this is the appropriate place to put a plea for help > > gw machine I'm trying to install bsd 4.1.1 on > dope Windows 2000 machine, which has the installation CD shared (under ftp) > > Setting up the bsd installation program, I put 'any', as the distribution, as it can't seem to find "4.1.1-RELEASE"... > > It connects to my ftp server fine, downloads /bin/bin.inf, and has been sitting there with the message; > DEBUG: parsing attributes file for distribution bin > for the last 20 odd minutes > > > Attached is a ls -la for the root of the CD > > > Any assistance will be gratefully received :-) > > regards > > james > adelaide, south Australia. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 15:30: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E8237B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:30:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA62701; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:18:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: Keith Davey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dmesg in Install In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You could just press the ScrollLock key and use the up-arrow to scroll upward through the messages. Press ScrollLock again to cancel it. Actually that would be good for the -questions list--you're right that it's a good source of information. Annelise On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Keith Davey wrote: > > Good Day, > > I have recently completed an install of a FreeBSD 4.1.1 system. I noted > a (what I felt) glaring deficiency in the install process that I would > like to have made noted of. (Now I completely understand that I may have > simply over looked this and if so I apologize). It occures to me that > during the install of FreeBSD there is no way to go back thru the dmesg > and note what hardware was detected at what locations. This seems to me > to be something that would be helpful to know prior to blowing away are > rewriting disk partitions. Other systems (notably SuSE Linux) allow > the installer to review the detected hardware (and load kernel modules > to pick up missed hardware) prior to the install process ever beginning. > I would like to petition this group for opinions on the viability and > usefulness of this as an improvement to be made in the FreeBSD install > program. > > Keith Davey > Tivoli Systems > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 15:45: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4334337B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA62755 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:32:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:32:42 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Software Run-down Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am putting Software.pdf on my anonymous ftp server for a while at least. This is Chapter 11 of a book and is for personal use and comment, not general distribution. So if you have comments or suggestions to add about software you especially like, let me know. ftp andrsn.stanford.edu/pub/Software.pdf You log in with "ftp" as a username (or "anonymous", but why go to the trouble?) and you e-mail address as a password. This chapter does not explain how to install third-party software available as a package or as a port; it tells you what the software does (my picks, for the most part, but those that seem to be the most popular, too). There are a few hints on how to run the stuff after it's installed, but the basic explanation of that is in Chapters 9 and 10. Software.pdf is in Adobe's portable document format. (It's about 22 pages, but it isn't paginated.) You need Adobe Acrobat Reader for Windows or for FreeBSD (/usr/ports/print/acroread4 or one of the others--not sure which ones need Linux support). Acrobat Reader is a free Windows application. Annelise P.S. With close to 4000 software applications, it's not easy to review them--so if I've left out the best ones in some categories, let me know what your choices are. I've concentrated on those of greatest interest to new users--not those that might be of interest to network professions experimenting with FreeBSD, though, and not programming tools or languages--mostly user apps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 16:29:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37F8937B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:29:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA6285 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:32:55 -0800 Message-ID: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:26:54 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: A sample category Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here is a sample category that I came up with for a newbies' ports guide. I looked over Annalisa's chapter, and I these are two related but different ideas. I still don't know about following the ports categories as is. Some categories might have a dozen good packages to mention, while others might not have any. Anyway, here it is, and it's just a rough sample with semi-randomly chosen apps. Is this too much, too little, just right... David ---------- Music ----- cdplay-0.92 ----------- cdplay allows you to play your CD's from a text based interface. This means that you can play your favorite albums with a single interface regardless of whether you are in console or X11 mode. "cdplay is great. I don't have to start up my window manager just to hear my music", Fred Foobar "I've tried a lot of CD players, but I keep coming back to cdplay. It just does what I want", Betty Bogosity xmms-1.2.3_1 ------------ The X Multimedia System. This multimedia player handles handles a huge variety of sound types from CDs to MP3s to Mods. A wide variety of skins and plugins are available. http://www.xmms.org "xmms rocks!", Jimmy the Jockey "I've got a huge collection of MP3s and xmms handles them all for me, and it does it in style". Nick the Napster To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 17:10: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (aaa.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1063B37B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.47]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G3BN8G00.0KC for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:09:52 -0900 Message-ID: <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:11:01 -0900 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: > > Here is a sample category that I came up with for a newbies' ports > guide. I looked over Annalisa's chapter, and I these are two related but > different ideas. I still don't know about following the ports categories > as is. Some categories might have a dozen good packages to mention, > while others might not have any. > > Anyway, here it is, and it's just a rough sample with semi-randomly > chosen apps. Is this too much, too little, just right... > > David I liked the description part, but the comments of the sort "This rocks!" are not especially helpful to me. I suppose if this was a website it could handle these as user reviews ala the online bookstores. That way I could read through them if I liked, looking for those that were helpful. Otherwise, it would be better to show a list of pros/cons and capabilities. I also like the idea of linking to homepages or how-to documents - then I can see for myself if the install/configuration is within my comfort range of ability. My experience with many ports that are free software seems to be that much space in readmes and included docs is devoted to the significant features/fixes that have been added since the last release. This is great for current users who want to know if upgrading is worth their time, but sometimes not as helpful for someone trying to figure out what exactly the software is capable of or if it fits their specific needs. For example: A number of times I have spent several hours digging into different programs that seem to fill a need and then find out that it chokes when trying to do what I wanted it for. My most recent experience with this was finding out that the Python Imaging Library couldn't handle group 4 tiff images (at least not yet). Another package I was interested in is dependent on the PIL and after some 3-4 hours of installing/testing/hoping I find out it can't fit my situation. BTW, I still am pretty impressed with both packages (PIL and Reportlab, a really nice PDF generator lib for python), but they can't help me and that was pretty frustrating after so much work. To their credit, Reportlab says up front that their image capabilities are dependent on PIL which _did_ save a lot of time figuring that out. Yes, I did learn a bit about TIFF format (aka Thousands of Incompatible File Formats), but it would have been nice to know more up front that PIL had this weakness. I had to find out in a mailing list archive - it wasn't mentioned in the docs. This sort of information might turn up in a user reviews type of section and prompt an updating of the documentation. Sorry for the wordy post, and for those interested - In no way are there any questions being asked, it's just me relating my experience. There I feel better now... Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 19: 9:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU (smtp.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45A6C37B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:09:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from grover.WPI.EDU (root@grover.WPI.EDU [130.215.25.67]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.11.2.Beta0/8.11.2.Beta0) with ESMTP id eA139sS25787 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (dloose@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grover.WPI.EDU (8.11.2.Beta0/8.11.2.Beta0) with ESMTP id eA139sT03911 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:09:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:09:53 -0500 (EST) From: Dave To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: No /usr/ports directory? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I just installed FreeBSD because my friend recommended it. I have a very little bit of experience with Linux, but I thought I'd give FreeBSD a shot anyway. I installed version 4.1.1-Release and found that my video card wasn't supported by XFree86. Since my video card is pretty new (GeForce2 GTS) I decided to look on deja.com to see if anyone else had trouble. Sure enough, they did. One person suggested that I go to the directory /usr/ports/X11/XFree86-4 (or something like that) and type "make patch". When I tried this, though, I found that I didn't have a /usr/ports directory. The more I read, the more it seemed that I should have one. I mean, how can the ports system work without a ports directory? So, am I just a stupid newbie, or is something wrong with my installation? Thanks a lot, Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 20: 4:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wondermutt.net (host75-157.student.udel.edu [128.175.75.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF18137B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:04:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from morgaine.udel.edu (morgaine.wondermutt.net [192.168.1.2]) by wondermutt.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id eA146j232658; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:06:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from papalia@udel.edu) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20001031224223.00ae81f0@mail.udel.edu> X-Sender: papalia@mail.udel.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 22:45:22 -0500 To: Dave , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: John Subject: Re: No /usr/ports directory? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I just installed FreeBSD because my friend recommended it. I have a very >little bit of experience with Linux, but I thought I'd give FreeBSD a shot >anyway. > >I installed version 4.1.1-Release and found that my video card wasn't >supported by XFree86. Since my video card is pretty new (GeForce2 GTS) I >decided to look on deja.com to see if anyone else had trouble. Sure >enough, they did. One person suggested that I go to the directory >/usr/ports/X11/XFree86-4 (or something like that) and type "make patch". > >When I tried this, though, I found that I didn't have a /usr/ports >directory. The more I read, the more it seemed that I should have one. I >mean, how can the ports system work without a ports directory? > >So, am I just a stupid newbie, or is something wrong with my installation? When you were performing your install, you should have been asked if you wanted to install the ports tree. Did you say yes or no to that question? I'm just guessing, but you might have said no? To install the tree the "easy way", run /stand/sysinstall . From there, go into "configure", then "distributions", then select "ports". If you have the cd-rom, it should be a breeze. You can also do it via FTP. Hope that helps, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 20:31:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bruce.engr.ucf.edu (bruce.engr.ucf.edu [132.170.199.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A8DA37B479 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:31:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by bruce.engr.ucf.edu via sendmail with stdio id for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:30:55 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2 1996-Jul-4 #2 built 1997-Jul-22) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:30:54 -0500 (EST) From: Adam Rocke X-Sender: aro@bruce To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: device not configured error message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org after having used linux and solaris for errors it hurts a little to ask a "newbie" question but i'm glad you folks are available. i'm doing some investigation of the BSDs for my own personal enjoyment. i keep hearing good things so i figure i'll try it out for myself. i've got a new hard drive so i figure now is a good time to try things out but whenever i try to install i get "device not configured" errors whenever the install gets to the point where drives are formatted and packages are installed (it never is able to turn on swap either). i've tested many different partition configurations even letting freebsd use the entire disk (and just the first couple of gig) to no avail. i see in the documentation a reference to such warnings but all i find is related to cdrom problems. at one point i was told we were experiencing problems with one of our cd burners (the one i used) so i used a different burner to make another copy in case it was a problem with the actual cd. they both give the same problems but i can't imagine what else i should fiddle with either hardware wise or software wise. any help/advice is greatly appreciated. thanks. Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Oct 31 21:22:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from uhura.concentric.net (uhura.concentric.net [206.173.118.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50F637B4C5 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:22:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA03669; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:22:36 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts002d35.mer-id.concentric.net (ts002d35.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.95]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA09054; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:22:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:20:11 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: Dave Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No /usr/ports directory? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I installed version 4.1.1-Release and found that my video card wasn't I'm running 3.2 with zero 4.1 experience, but try this. Do: locate ports If that turns up zero, do: /usr/libexec/locate.updatedb & Then repeat locate ports. If they are not there, they wern't installed, it is an option. (At least in 3.2, it is). ML Duke To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 0:17:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dino-pc.procket.com (flowpoint.procket.com [205.253.146.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578FB37B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:17:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dino@localhost) by dino-pc.procket.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA10210; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:17:34 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 00:17:34 -0800 Message-Id: <200011010817.AAA10210@dino-pc.procket.com> X-Authentication-Warning: dino-pc.procket.com: dino set sender to dino@dino-pc.procket.com using -f From: Dino Farinacci To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Clock skew between Windows and 4.1 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I noticed that when my dual-boot system moves back and forth from/to Windows and FreeBSD that the time gets screwed up. When I set the clock on Windows, then boot FreeBSD the time is always 4 hours in the future. Any ideas? Dino To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 1:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from trill.hh.se (trill.hh.se [194.47.5.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE2C37B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 01:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from gs177.gsten.hh.se (chip@L22-212.gsten.hh.se [194.47.16.177]) by trill.hh.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA07308; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:11:03 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200011010817.AAA10210@dino-pc.procket.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:11:03 +0200 (CET) From: Joel Bjork To: Dino Farinacci Subject: RE: Clock skew between Windows and 4.1 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -------------Original message follows---------------------- I noticed that when my dual-boot system moves back and forth from/to Windows and FreeBSD that the time gets screwed up. When I set the clock on Windows, then boot FreeBSD the time is always 4 hours in the future. Any ideas? Dino To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ----------------------------------------------------------- My guess is that the windows system uses the raw system-time while FreeBSD assumes the system-time is in GMT and therefore corrects the time to correspond with the timezone of your choosing. I don't think that there's anything you can do about it in windows so go in to sysinstall and change it to whatever it isn't set to. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Joel Bjork Date: 01-Nov-00 Time: 10:11:03 ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 6:26:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h017.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A4E337B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 06:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (cpmta 27872 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2000 06:26:41 -0800 Received: from m12hRs4n205.midsouth.rr.com (HELO mike) (24.95.125.205) by smtp.valuedata.net (209.228.12.81) with SMTP; 1 Nov 2000 06:26:41 -0800 X-Sent: 1 Nov 2000 14:26:41 GMT Message-ID: <004101c0440f$b1195700$0200000a@mike> From: "Daryl Chance" To: "Dave" , , "John" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20001031224223.00ae81f0@mail.udel.edu> Subject: Re: No /usr/ports directory? Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:26:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org and if you install by cd do a cvsup on the ports collection :) cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-bin make install after that, check the freebsd site (don't remember the url) about cvsup. once you get the .conf's setup and the supfiles setup (takes about 5 min the first time) then all you do is cd /usr/ports make update and it will update the ports collection. HTH, ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Daryl Chance | We start seeing these new accounts being created, | | -------------- | but that could be an anomaly of the system. After | | Valuedata, LLC | a day or two, we realized it was someone hacking | | Memphis, TN | into the system. - Microsoft on thier hacker | ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: "Dave" ; Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 9:45 PM Subject: Re: No /usr/ports directory? > > >I just installed FreeBSD because my friend recommended it. I have a very > >little bit of experience with Linux, but I thought I'd give FreeBSD a shot > >anyway. > > > >I installed version 4.1.1-Release and found that my video card wasn't > >supported by XFree86. Since my video card is pretty new (GeForce2 GTS) I > >decided to look on deja.com to see if anyone else had trouble. Sure > >enough, they did. One person suggested that I go to the directory > >/usr/ports/X11/XFree86-4 (or something like that) and type "make patch". > > > >When I tried this, though, I found that I didn't have a /usr/ports > >directory. The more I read, the more it seemed that I should have one. I > >mean, how can the ports system work without a ports directory? > > > >So, am I just a stupid newbie, or is something wrong with my installation? > > When you were performing your install, you should have been asked if you > wanted to install the ports tree. Did you say yes or no to that > question? I'm just guessing, but you might have said no? > > To install the tree the "easy way", run /stand/sysinstall . From there, go > into "configure", then "distributions", then select "ports". If you have > the cd-rom, it should be a breeze. You can also do it via FTP. > > Hope that helps, > John > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 9:51:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.WPI.EDU (smtp.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A276137B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bert.WPI.EDU (root@bert.WPI.EDU [130.215.24.121]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.11.2.Beta0/8.11.2.Beta0) with ESMTP id eA1HpGS07395 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (dloose@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bert.WPI.EDU (8.11.2.Beta0/8.11.2.Beta0) with ESMTP id eA1HpGB11669 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:51:16 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: Dave To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: GeForce2 GTS and XFree 4.0.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, first I just want to thank everyone who helped me out with that port problem. My next problem is that I can't get my GeForce2 to work under XWindows. I've heard that the CVS versions of XFree86 _do_ support the card, so I followed some instructions I found online that told me to replace some files and modify others and then recompile. Now, when I run startx, I get this: -------------------------- ... Symbol miSetPixmapDepths from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o is unresolved! ... This should not happen! An unresolved function was called! Fatal server error: When reporting a problem... -------------------------- I've skipped a lot of the log so I hope I didn't miss anything important. Anyway, that is where I think the problem is. Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? Thanks, Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 10:39: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4542437B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:39:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4A4D; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:42:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3A0062A8.82A4E4DD@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:36:24 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: GeForce2 GTS and XFree 4.0.1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave wrote: > > Ok, first I just want to thank everyone who helped me out with that port > problem. > > My next problem is that I can't get my GeForce2 to work under > XWindows. I've heard that the CVS versions of XFree86 _do_ support the > card, so I followed some instructions I found online that told me to > replace some files and modify others and then recompile. Okay, now we're getting too technical here :-) Aks this question on freebsd-questions instead. After all, do you really want a bunch of green novices telling you how to muck about in your system? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 10:59:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61E837B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA593D; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:03:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:57:12 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Raynes Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Raynes wrote: > I liked the description part, but the comments of the sort "This > rocks!" are not especially helpful to me. I suppose if this was a > website it could handle these as user reviews ala the online > bookstores. That way I could read through them if I liked, looking > for those that were helpful. Otherwise, it would be better to show a > list of pros/cons and capabilities. I just did this up real quick. Were any of the other comments helpful? Are comments even a good idea? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 11: 7: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (web118.mail.yahoo.com [205.180.60.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D13F937B4E5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23783 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2000 19:06:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20001101190656.23782.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [128.111.148.118] by web118.yahoomail.com; Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:06:56 PST Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:06:56 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Dempsey Subject: Re: GeForce2 GTS and XFree 4.0.1 To: Dave Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dave, I have been able to get the GeForce GTS chipset to work under X. You do have to get the latest cvsup updates. I have copied the recipe from the email that helped me out. Make sure to run this as root, then run startx as a regular user, so you don't introduce security issues and clutter your root partition. This is also probably a question for freebsd-questions, not so much for -newbies. You might get a quicker response with this type of question by posting there. BEGIN QUOTE: I used the FreeBSD port system. Here are the steps that worked. cd /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4 make patch I then copied these files from the XFree86.org anoncvs repository to the same directories under /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4/work/ xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common/xf86PciInfo.h xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/nv/nv_driver.c xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/nv/nv_include.h xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/nv/nv_local.h xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/nv/nv_type.h xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/nv/riva_tbl.h xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/nv/nv_xaa.c Edit nv_include.h and remove the line #include "vbe.h" . Finish with cd /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4 make install XFree86 -configure --- Dave wrote: > Ok, first I just want to thank everyone who helped > me out with that port > problem. > > My next problem is that I can't get my GeForce2 to > work under > XWindows. I've heard that the CVS versions of > XFree86 _do_ support the > card, so I followed some instructions I found online > that told me to > replace some files and modify others and then > recompile. > > Now, when I run startx, I get this: > > -------------------------- > ... > Symbol miSetPixmapDepths from module > /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nv_drv.o is > unresolved! > ... > This should not happen! > An unresolved function was called! > > Fatal server error: > > > When reporting a problem... > -------------------------- > > I've skipped a lot of the log so I hope I didn't > miss anything > important. Anyway, that is where I think the > problem is. > > Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message ===== Christopher P Dempsey --------------------- chrisdempsey@yahoo.com (805) 570-9230 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 11:31:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (aaa.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DCFE37B4CF for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:31:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.47]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G3D28A00.NY6; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:31:22 -0900 Message-ID: <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:32:28 -0900 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Johnson , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: > > I just did this up real quick. Were any of the other comments helpful? > Are comments even a good idea? The other information was of the helpful type, in addition, someone could accept/edit more extensive descriptions of the capabilities and pros/cons of the software. Proponents of certain ports/packages could submit improvements to the information without all the burden being on the maintainer. This would make the site/document a nice place for advocacy. It would relatively brief, so as not to take up too much time for contributors or the maintainer(s). I think the comments would be a good idea in some type of dynamic web interface like what is done on the online bookstores, but it would probably be too much hassle for too little benefit if the maintainer has to sort through, moderate and post comments manually. OTOH, dynamic, open comments on this topic could turn into yet another flamewar (vi vs. emacs comes to mind). That would be less than helpful even though it could be mildly entertaining :). > > David only my opinion, Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 12: 7:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ann.skypoint.net (ann.skypoint.net [199.86.32.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5914B37B4CF for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from sky210 (dilbert.skypoint.net [199.86.41.9]) by ann.skypoint.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA87048 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:04:35 GMT Message-ID: <000a01c0443d$ebd6f180$2701000a@skynet.skypoint.net> From: "Shawn Shedivy" To: Subject: I am trying to learn Free-BSD Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:57:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0440B.A0BDDBA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0440B.A0BDDBA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like any information you can give me. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------ Shawn Shedivy 10700 W. 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0440B.A0BDDBA0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 13: 6:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6589037B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:06:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2AA3; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:09:30 -0800 Message-ID: <3A008521.85C200FB@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:03:29 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Shedivy Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I am trying to learn Free-BSD References: <000a01c0443d$ebd6f180$2701000a@skynet.skypoint.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Shawn Shedivy wrote: > > I would like any information you can give me. First, go the to www.freebsd.site. Poke around into the corners. There's a lot of information there. Then go to www.freebsdmall.com and get the "FreeBSD Handbook" and "The Complete FreeBSD". The handbook already comes with the FreeBSD CD, but it's always nice to have a paper copy. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 13: 9:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE08337B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:09:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2C86; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:13:14 -0800 Message-ID: <3A008601.4E984627@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:07:13 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Raynes Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Raynes wrote: > I think the comments would be a good idea in some type of dynamic web > interface like what is done on the online bookstores, but it would > probably be too much hassle for too little benefit if the maintainer > has to sort through, moderate and post comments manually. OTOH, > dynamic, open comments on this topic could turn into yet another > flamewar (vi vs. emacs comes to mind). That would be less than > helpful even though it could be mildly entertaining :). I would say that the comments need to be moderated to avoid the "emax sux" postings. I also think that limiting the number of postings would be good to prevent lengthy entries. Perhaps two or three entries and then a link to further comments. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 15:18:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (aaa.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76AB537B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:18:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.47]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G3DCQA00.G61; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:18:10 -0900 Message-ID: <3A00A4F3.74C2C615@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:19:15 -0900 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Johnson , freebsd newbies Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A008601.4E984627@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: > > Brian Raynes wrote: > I would say that the comments need to be moderated to avoid the "emax > sux" postings. I also think that limiting the number of postings would > be good to prevent lengthy entries. Perhaps two or three entries and > then a link to further comments. I like this idea, if you have someone or several someones who would be willing to moderate comments. I have a few newbie oriented comments about the Samba man pages that might be helpful to other newbies. And if I get to working out setting up Netatalk for file and print sharing, I have definite plans to write some documentation of that process that seems to be almost completely missing. I'm hoping that it's because it's so easy...:) > > David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 15:38:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A3C37B479 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAAF0E; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:41:36 -0800 Message-ID: <3A00A8C8.2F1D32F3@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:35:36 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Raynes Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A008601.4E984627@acuson.com> <3A00A4F3.74C2C615@dnr.state.ak.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Raynes wrote: > I like this idea, if you have someone or several someones who would be > willing to moderate comments. I have a few newbie oriented comments > about the Samba man pages that might be helpful to other newbies. And > if I get to working out setting up Netatalk for file and print > sharing, I have definite plans to write some documentation of that > process that seems to be almost completely missing. I'm hoping that > it's because it's so easy...:) I was thinking along the lines of having this as a DocBook document under a cvs tree somewhere. Initially it would need a bit of moderating, but after it gets to a relatively complete state a single moderator could easily handle it. But perhaps a dedicated website might be more appropriate. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 15:55:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ancmail1.state.ak.us (aaa.state.ak.us [146.63.92.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1EA37B4C5 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:55:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from dnr.state.ak.us ([146.63.110.47]) by ancmail1.state.ak.us (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G3DEFS00.K28; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:55:04 -0900 Message-ID: <3A00AD9C.33D30721@dnr.state.ak.us> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:56:12 -0900 From: Brian Raynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Johnson , freebsd newbies Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A008601.4E984627@acuson.com> <3A00A4F3.74C2C615@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A00A8C8.2F1D32F3@acuson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Johnson wrote: > I was thinking along the lines of having this as a DocBook document > under a cvs tree somewhere. Initially it would need a bit of moderating, > but after it gets to a relatively complete state a single moderator > could easily handle it. But perhaps a dedicated website might be more > appropriate. > > David After a little thought, I think the DocBook idea is a little better. I don't know much about DocBook, but isn't it easy to create html, pdf and ps files from DocBook format? I've really liked the way the handbook and a few other docs have been distributed this way. I'm not sure I've ever seen comments handled in document form, but for all the other information the document format seems easier to setup than a website and might require fewer resources (hardware & bandwidth). Brian Raynes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Nov 1 16:11:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8465E37B666 for ; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA2243; Wed, 1 Nov 2000 16:14:27 -0800 Message-ID: <3A00B07C.1692EA57@acuson.com> Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:08:28 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian Raynes Cc: freebsd newbies Subject: Re: A sample category References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A008601.4E984627@acuson.com> <3A00A4F3.74C2C615@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A00A8C8.2F1D32F3@acuson.com> <3A00AD9C.33D30721@dnr.state.ak.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian Raynes wrote: > After a little thought, I think the DocBook idea is a little better. > I don't know much about DocBook, but isn't it easy to create html, pdf > and ps files from DocBook format? I've really liked the way the > handbook and a few other docs have been distributed this way. I'm not > sure I've ever seen comments handled in document form, but for all the > other information the document format seems easier to setup than a > website and might require fewer resources (hardware & bandwidth). The FDP (FreeBSD Documentation Project) has a great manual on using DocBook. I used it for my own documentation on one of my projects and it was pretty slick. Using jade and dsssl, I created my html doc in 5 seconds. I didn't have TeX installed at the time, or I could have created dvi, ps and pdf just as easily. Read the FDP documentation, as the docs of Jade are pretty dense and incomplete. The O'Reilly DocBook book is wonderful, and if you don't want the dead tree version, it's also online for free. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 2 3:40:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88E137B479 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id eA2BdFx02264; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:39:15 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:39:15 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: David Johnson Cc: Brian Raynes , freebsd newbies Subject: Re: A sample category Message-ID: <20001102113915.A2196@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <39FF634E.48ADADF3@acuson.com> <39FF6DA5.6A9F28BF@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A006787.C170BFAC@acuson.com> <3A006FCC.B78140FA@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A008601.4E984627@acuson.com> <3A00A4F3.74C2C615@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A00A8C8.2F1D32F3@acuson.com> <3A00AD9C.33D30721@dnr.state.ak.us> <3A00B07C.1692EA57@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A00B07C.1692EA57@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 04:08:28PM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Nov 01, 2000 at 04:08:28PM -0800, David Johnson wrote: > Brian Raynes wrote: > > After a little thought, I think the DocBook idea is a little better. > > I don't know much about DocBook, but isn't it easy to create html, pdf > > and ps files from DocBook format? "Easy" is a relative term. Now that I know what I'm doing, it's pretty easy. There was a fair share of pain along the way though. > > I've really liked the way the > > handbook and a few other docs have been distributed this way. Thanks (nik@freebsd.org == Documentation Project Manager). > > I'm not > > sure I've ever seen comments handled in document form, but for all the > > other information the document format seems easier to setup than a > > website and might require fewer resources (hardware & bandwidth). Audio xmms xmms ... ... ... ... > The FDP (FreeBSD Documentation Project) has a great manual on using > DocBook. http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/ Add "book.html" to the end if you prefer one big HTML file. > I used it for my own documentation on one of my projects and it > was pretty slick. Using jade and dsssl, I created my html doc in 5 > seconds. I didn't have TeX installed at the time, or I could have > created dvi, ps and pdf just as easily. Good to know that people are finding it useful. > Read the FDP documentation, as > the docs of Jade are pretty dense and incomplete. The O'Reilly DocBook > book is wonderful, and if you don't want the dead tree version, it's > also online for free. At http://www.docbook.org/ N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 2 5:16:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 209BC37B4E5 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 05:16:46 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 26482 invoked by alias); 2 Nov 2000 13:16:45 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG@fixme Received: (qmail 26472 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2000 13:16:44 -0000 Received: from badialup197.slkc.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (63.225.236.197) by slkcpop4.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Nov 2000 13:16:44 -0000 Message-ID: <3A016836.F4B0BE79@uswest.net> Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:12:22 -0700 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd newbies Subject: WEBMIN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody, While I was at work yesterday and after reading Dru Lavigne's introduction to the Webmin utility, I thought it sounded like a neat utility and decided to install it. The install went fairly easily except that my first attempt from /usr/ports/sysutils/webmin errored out because the Makefile was pointing to the wrong master site: I'm running FreeBSD 3.4 and needed the 0.75 version of Webmin. I edited the Makefile and changed the master site to ftp://ftp.webmin.com/ and the install went much smoother. After installing it and answering a few basic configuration questions, I was able to open up a IE browser on my NT 4.0 workstation and connect to the new Webmin server running on my FreeBSD system. I played around with it for a short time and was able to perform some basic administration functions like adding a new job to the CRON scheduler. This is a very slick utility that let's you perform virtually every administrative task through a web browser from a remote workstation on a network. Security really isn't an issue since it allows you to specify the port number during the config and also which hosts are allowed to connect. I was really impressed with this utility but one thought came to mind, maybe it's not such a good idea to rely on web/gui utilities like this too heavily, since one might run the risk of falling out of practice in doing things the old fashioned way. I for one am prone to forgetfulness, especially if I haven't used a particular command in a long time. The other day, I was trying to load a package and had completely forgotten the syntax of /stand/sysinstall. I eventually had to look it up in one of my books. Cheers Joe -- FreeBSD = The Power to Serve ..Simply put = FreeBSD Rocks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 2 10:45:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B331337B479 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id NAA22698; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:45:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailexnet.scana.com(161.156.250.64) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma022228; Thu, 2 Nov 00 13:43:34 -0500 Received: by mailexnet.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:18:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd newbies'" Cc: "'Joe Warner'" Subject: RE: WEBMIN Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:18:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow, I never knew this existed. We definitely need a 'recommended ports list'. There is simply too much good stuff that I don't know about! ...Michael... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joe Warner > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:12 AM > To: freebsd newbies > Subject: WEBMIN > > > Hi everybody, > > While I was at work yesterday and after reading > Dru Lavigne's introduction to the Webmin utility, > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 2 12:44: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C7737B479 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a167.otenet.gr [212.205.215.167]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eA2Kejo24150; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:40:46 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id eA1N64j01353; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:06:04 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 01:06:04 +0200 (EET) From: Giorgos Keramidas Message-Id: <200011012306.eA1N64j01353@hades.hell.gr> To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, MSILVER@scana.com Subject: Re: Newbie packages Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <006101c0437f$2e745f60$837e03cb@dougy> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: "Doug Young" > Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 07:11:47 +1000 > > I wasn't aware it was in ports ..... but then isn't that what this > whole thread is about ?? There appears to be a HEAP of stuff > in packages / ports / wherever without sufficient explanation of > what the thing does. Yeah, well, you are right here. And /usr/ports/INDEX is not my idea of a newbie-friendly table of contents. By reading /usr/ports/Makefile I can tell that the command # cd /usr/ports ; make readme will get me my list of usual README.html's, but this is definitely not something that a newbie will easily find out about. And /usr/ports/README does not mention it, at all. Anybody else feeling the send-pr coming? :-) - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 2 12:58:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe12.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.116]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087AC37B4D7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:58:24 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [212.197.155.9] From: "Dino Rezes" To: Subject: important questions!!! Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MSN Explorer 6.00.0009.1102 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C04517.AC39B000" Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2000 20:58:24.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4358210:01C0450F] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C04517.AC39B000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hallo! I have got some question about FreeBSD: Is FreeBSD able to do the Internet Connection Sharing for the Network??? What is with this DSL?? And what is with TV-Cards???? And should I wait for FreeBSD 4.2?? nt_verwalter___________________________________________________________ Get more from your time online. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C04517.AC39B000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C04517.AC39B000-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Nov 2 19: 4: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from post.webmailer.de (natmail2.webmailer.de [192.67.198.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193237B4D7 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from k-bao74v2ijd10u (p3E9E1612.dip.t-dialin.net [62.158.22.18]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA25339; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 04:03:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 04:03:43 +0100 From: bk X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: bk X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <170274225465.20001103040343@x-itec.de> To: "Dino Rezes" Cc: FreeBSD-Newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: important questions!!! In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Dino, Thursday, November 02, 2000, 9:55:54 PM, you wrote: DR> Hallo! DR> I have got some question about FreeBSD: DR> Is FreeBSD able to do the Internet Connection Sharing for the Network??? Internet-Connection-Sharing. Maybe you should go away from micros*ft specific things. You can use things like NAT to share your internet connection with others. I have setup a DNS Cache with a DNS Server "bind", Squid (a proxy engine if i want to surf with a cache) and NAT (for the rest) combined with efficient firewalling (ipfw). You can do everything you want, for example getting e-mails and so on. Other ways are using Proxy Server but if you are family with nt (i think so) you know what i mean. The other things i canīt answer. DR> nt_verwalter___________________________________________________________ *ggg -- Best regards, Boris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Nov 3 17:32:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F0D937B4D7 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:32:22 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA05577 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:30:14 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 12:30:14 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200011040130.MAA05577@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message