From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 4:26: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4094437B79A for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 04:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Richard.Brooksby@pobox.com) Received: from expert.demon.co.uk ([158.152.128.245]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12h9f4-0007DE-0A for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:25:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000417112232.1F01637B591@hub.freebsd.org> References: <20000417112232.1F01637B591@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:25:43 +0100 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org From: Richard.Brooksby@pobox.com Subject: FreeBSD/PowerPC and Apple Darwin OS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The announcement of this new list didn't make any mention of Apple Darwin OS . "The Darwin kernel is based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 technologies..." say Apple. To what extent are these projects related? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 5:55: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A9237B7FE for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 05:54:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 08F64A893; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:54:53 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CAB540E; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:54:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 22:54:52 +1000 (EST) From: andrew@ugh.net.au To: Richard.Brooksby@pobox.com Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD/PowerPC and Apple Darwin OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 Richard.Brooksby@pobox.com wrote: > The announcement of this new list didn't make any mention of Apple > Darwin OS . > "The Darwin kernel is based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 technologies..." > say Apple. To what extent are these projects related? Not that I know anything about it but I would say quite unrelated. FreeBSD/PPC will try to port the FreeBSD kernel to run ontop of PPC hardware as opposed to darwin which is a FreeBSD derived kernel running on top of Mach on top of PPC. FreeBSD/PPC is likely to be oriented towards embedded platforms rather than PowerMac, esp as more documentation of the hardware tends to be available. Hopefully some 3rd party PPC machines will emerge soon, perhaps based on IBMs motherboard designs they released. Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 6:54:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from ryan.net (tki-1-240.tki.net [208.156.51.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A14037B70A for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 06:54:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ryan@ryan.net) Received: from localhost (ryan@localhost) by ryan.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA09885; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:29:05 -0400 (EDT) From: ryan To: andrew@ugh.net.au Cc: Richard.Brooksby@pobox.com, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD/PowerPC and Apple Darwin OS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 andrew@ugh.net.au wrote: > > FreeBSD/PPC is likely to be oriented towards embedded platforms rather > than PowerMac, esp as more documentation of the hardware tends to be > available. Hopefully some 3rd party PPC machines will emerge soon, perhaps > based on IBMs motherboard designs they released. actually, Jordan stated in an interview for Boardwatch magazine that the power macintosh g3 is the initial reference platform http://www.boardwatch.com/mag/2000/feb/bwm79pg2.html ... however, i'm pretty sure you're on track that there's bsdi for embedded powerpc now (as well as net/openbsd) codebases that'll contibute to the port. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 7:19:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A55937B5F5 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 07:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA15130 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:19:11 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:19:11 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: The inital steps... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Not to distrct anybody from anything but: 1) does anybody have the crosscompilation (to netbsd-ppc?) toolchain ready, esp. in the form of a port? 2) who will sacrifice themselves as the port maintainer? 3) what abi will we be using, anyways? 4) any other inital needed steps I forgot about? Sander, and I do have powerpc-unknown-netbsd tools, but not a proper port To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 8:30:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from haldjas.folklore.ee (Haldjas.folklore.ee [193.40.6.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A47437B713 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:30:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Received: from localhost (narvi@localhost) by haldjas.folklore.ee (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA17339; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:30:03 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 17:30:03 +0200 (EET) From: Narvi To: Michael Chin-Yuan Wu Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The inital steps... In-Reply-To: <009401bfa87e$ff8dec20$d60b1b18@austin.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 17 Apr 2000, Michael Chin-Yuan Wu wrote: > | Not to distrct anybody from anything but: > | 1) does anybody have the crosscompilation (to netbsd-ppc?) > | toolchain ready, esp. in the form of a port? > > Jerry Hicks showed me how to compile an eabi cross compiler. > However, I still cannot get a *real* compiler for non-embedded > system. [/me looks at the g4 and sighs] > A cross compiler is a real compiler. eabi is just the abi (see below) it is for. > | 2) who will sacrifice themselves as the port maintainer? > | 3) what abi will we be using, anyways? > > I hope that we can run FreeBSD on iMAC/embedded PPC/G3/G4 :) > Actually abi (application binary interface) does not depend on the specific hardware that much. It is rather the way we pass arguments to functions, which registers are caller/callee saved, which is the stack pointer, etc. Using what netbsd uses (eabi?) is probably the easiest... > | 4) any other inital needed steps I forgot about? > > It would be nice if everyone stated their current progress > so to prevent I-did-what-you-did things. > > | and I do have powerpc-unknown-netbsd tools, but not a > | proper port > > A shell script would do :) > > > -- > keichii@bsdconspiracy.net > Wide Spread BSD Conspiracy to take over the world OS market > -- > Sander To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 8:42:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481B037B5CB for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.ucdavis.edu) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@02-081.006.popsite.net [216.126.134.81]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA89374; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA85516; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:42:08 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: ryan Cc: andrew@ugh.net.au, Richard.Brooksby@pobox.com, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD/PowerPC and Apple Darwin OS Message-ID: <20000417084208.A1884@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from ryan@ryan.net on Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 09:29:05AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Apr 17, 2000 at 09:29:05AM -0400, ryan wrote: > actually, Jordan stated in an interview for Boardwatch magazine that the > power macintosh g3 is the initial reference platform Since you can't easily buy G3's anymore (and it was the Blue/white G3's before), it will have to be G4 and possibly blue/white G3's. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Apr 17 9:19:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from amethyst.siliconet.com (ns1.siliconet.com [204.118.223.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1E237BBC1 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from admin@siliconet.com) Received: from naochan (dhcp06.bbtus.com [204.118.223.229]) by amethyst.siliconet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA02374 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01bd01bfa889$0f7b7bc0$e5df76cc@bbtus.net> From: "Siliconet Administrator" To: Subject: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:22:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B9_01BFA84E.62EA4920" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B9_01BFA84E.62EA4920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit auth d4426202 subscribe freebsd-ppc admin@siliconet.com ------=_NextPart_000_01B9_01BFA84E.62EA4920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= /BODY> ------=_NextPart_000_01B9_01BFA84E.62EA4920-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Apr 20 10: 9:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from lor.watermarkgroup.com (lor.watermarkgroup.com [207.202.73.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6080337B605 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:09:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com) Received: (from luoqi@localhost) by lor.watermarkgroup.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08174 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:09:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from luoqi) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Luoqi Chen Message-Id: <200004201709.NAA08174@lor.watermarkgroup.com> To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: any porting effort Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just noticed the creation of this new list, I wonder if anyone is actively working on porting FreeBSD to the powerpc architecture. I have a couple of old PowerMacs that I would like to run FreeBSD on. So far I have written pieces of kernel code myself, but I'm still quite far from my goal. If there is an ongoing effort, I'll be more than happy to offer my help. -lq To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Apr 20 23: 0:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2963F37B8DD for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c06-062.006.popsite.net [64.24.38.62]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18466; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:00:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id XAA05569; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:00:36 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Luoqi Chen Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any porting effort Message-ID: <20000420230036.A5510@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <200004201709.NAA08174@lor.watermarkgroup.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004201709.NAA08174@lor.watermarkgroup.com>; from luoqi@watermarkgroup.com on Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:09:13PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 01:09:13PM -0400, Luoqi Chen wrote: > I have a couple of old PowerMacs that I would like to run FreeBSD on. > So far I have written pieces of kernel code myself, but I'm still quite > far from my goal. If there is an ongoing effort, I'll be more than > happy to offer my help. The port is targeting the blue&white G3 and G4. However, with your kernel experience, other machine support is certainly your decision. -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Apr 21 7: 6: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from pobox.rwwa.com (pobox.rwwa.com [216.254.75.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C10637B843; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Received: from rwwa.com (spooky.rwwa.com [192.124.97.13]) by pobox.rwwa.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA63097; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:12:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Message-Id: <200004211412.KAA63097@pobox.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Luoqi Chen , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: any porting effort In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:00:36 PDT." <20000420230036.A5510@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:05:58 -0400 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG obrien@FreeBSD.ORG said: :-The port is targeting the blue&white G3 and G4. However, with your :-kernel experience, other machine support is certainly your decision. I'm working on a port that apparently would be much more general, in that it isn't *targeted* at any particular architecture, and in particular would be easily ported to embedded systems without any of the typical things you find in the g3 and g4 systems. I've worked with the linux ppc port, and it is pretty flawed in terms of portability because it *was* targeted to a specific architecture and is littered with ifdefs and false assumptions that makes porting to foreign architectures rather painful. Are you keeping an *official* repository of code? Also, are you willing to see your port modified to emphasize portability? Either way, I'd like to get access to your work today if possible. Thanks! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Apr 21 9:39:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69F437BCBC for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (root@c07-109.006.popsite.net [64.24.39.109]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20658; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:39:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA08210; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:39:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:39:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Robert Withrow Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: any porting effort Message-ID: <20000421093906.C6794@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20000420230036.A5510@dragon.nuxi.com> <200004211412.KAA63097@pobox.rwwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200004211412.KAA63097@pobox.rwwa.com>; from witr@rwwa.com on Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 10:05:58AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-PGP-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Keyid: 34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Apr 21, 2000 at 10:05:58AM -0400, Robert Withrow wrote: > I'm working on a port that apparently would be much more general, in that > it isn't *targeted* at any particular architecture, and in particular > would be easily ported to embedded systems without any of the typical > things you find in the g3 and g4 systems. One of the seen purposes of a FreeBSD/PPC port is as a development machine for embedded systems work. Especially if those systems were to run some form of FreeBSD. One of the reasons to only target one platform (grouping G3/G4) is kernel device support of the hosting PPC system. The fewer bits to worry about the better. > Are you keeping an *official* repository of code? Yes, it would be merged into the official FreeBSD CVS repository to live beside our i386, DEC Alpha, UltraSparc[64], and IA-64 bits. > Also, are you willing to see your port modified to emphasize > portability? The "on the surface" answer is of course "YES". But, of course more technical details would need to be seen to see what bits would be appropriate and which would not. > Either way, I'd like to get access to your work today if possible. We are starting out, so you're at the ground floor. :-) -- -- David (obrien@NUXI.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message