From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 3:33:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C508637B71A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from [62.49.251.130] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ebR1-0006qn-0X; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:33:19 +0000 Received: from herring (herring [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2IBW4487261; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:32:04 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:32:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Subject: Re: user process faulting on kernel address In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Hah. On a related note, the faulting address for dumps that SIGSEGV' is in > fact, CURSIG in the kernel. Same ra range- user stack address. > > D'ya think they're related? Doug? It certainly looks very suspicious. This testcase seems a lot more tractable than the dump one so perhaps we have a better chance of finding something now. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 3:34:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97A637B719; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 03:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from [62.49.251.130] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14ebS2-0003Ry-0V; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:34:23 +0000 Received: from herring (herring [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2IBX7487269; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:33:07 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:33:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: , Subject: Re: user process faulting on kernel address In-Reply-To: <15026.37378.477855.889651@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > When running a linuxthreads app which basically sits in a loop > doing a pthread_create()/pthread_join() of a thread which just > exits, I'll occasionally see a very interesting thing -- > the app dies on an instruction fault on a kernel address. Could you put up a binary (static linked if possible) so that I can have a go at reproducing the problem? Thanks in advance... -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 4:42:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from chuggalug.clues.com (chuggalug.clues.com [194.159.1.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC6937B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 04:42:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from geoffb@chuggalug.clues.com) Received: (from geoffb@localhost) by chuggalug.clues.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24787 for alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:42:42 GMT (envelope-from geoffb) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:42:42 +0000 From: Geoff Buckingham To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: AXPpci33 SRM upgrade Message-ID: <20010318124242.A24754@chuggalug.clues.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an AXPpci33 with SRM allready loaded, show version gives X3.7. The machine hangs when trying to boot a FreeBSD floppy, I have tried to update the SRM using a floppy mafe under DOS with mkboot.exe and decaxppci33_v1_6.exe from compaq, but this resets the machine after 'jumping to bootstrap code' the machine then hangs after initialising the graphics card (blue screen + underscore, no SRM). Does anybody have an intermediate SRM image or advice? Thanks in advance... -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 6:29:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from neutrino.quantum.net (modemcable037.229-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.229.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FB337B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 06:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2IETBn6040978 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:29:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB4C637.808@videotron.ca> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:29:11 -0500 From: tcn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: Vinum(8) segfault on alpha] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060003060307040804050304" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------060003060307040804050304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Greg, > Have you reloaded the Vinum module? Rebooted. >> I don't have a core anymore so I don't know how to find the cause of >> my problem. Any ideas on how to debug this other than with a serial >> ddb ? > > > Yes, they're in the URL I quoted. I am sorry, I must be dumb or something. I can't figure how this works. I tried to source the .gdbinit.kernel, .gdbinit.vinum.paths and .gdbinit.vinum, then did an asf and got a memory access failure. If you want an access on this machine, I will give you a temporary one, I just can't see what I'm doing wrong. > That's because your mail host is incorrectly configured: Hmmm, thanks, I tought I had corrected this. I'll have to look into it. Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca --------------060003060307040804050304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Greg,

Have you reloaded the Vinum module?
  Rebooted.

I don't have a core anymore so I don't know how to find the cause of
my problem.  Any ideas on how to debug this other than with a serial
ddb ?

Yes, they're in the URL I quoted.
  I am sorry, I must be dumb or something.  I can't figure how this works.  I tried to source the .gdbinit.kernel, .gdbinit.vinum.paths and .gdbinit.vinum, then did an asf and got a memory access failure.  If you want an access on this machine, I will give you a temporary one, I just can't see what I'm doing wrong.

That's because your mail host is incorrectly configured:
  Hmmm, thanks, I tought I had corrected this.  I'll have to look into it.


Normand Leclerc
leclercn@videotron.ca

--------------060003060307040804050304-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 7:24:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B6237B719; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:24:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02470; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:24:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2IFNk188229; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:23:46 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15028.54018.584762.460700@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:23:46 -0500 (EST) To: Doug Rabson Cc: , Subject: Re: user process faulting on kernel address In-Reply-To: References: <15026.37378.477855.889651@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Rabson writes: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2001, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > When running a linuxthreads app which basically sits in a loop > > doing a pthread_create()/pthread_join() of a thread which just > > exits, I'll occasionally see a very interesting thing -- > > the app dies on an instruction fault on a kernel address. > > Could you put up a binary (static linked if possible) so that I can have a > go at reproducing the problem? Thanks in advance... http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin/ex6.gz Enable the debugging printfs in trap.c. You'll notice that it gets "stuck" in the kernel because it SEGV's just as soon as switches back to user mode. It is the parent which is faulting, not a child. I tried duplicating it with a native program that vfork()s and wait()s, but I had no success. I'm inclined to think it has something to do with signal delivery. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 10:46:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E369637B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30726; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:46:36 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:46:32 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AXPpci33 SRM upgrade In-Reply-To: <20010318124242.A24754@chuggalug.clues.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try serial conslle On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > > I have an AXPpci33 with SRM allready loaded, show version gives X3.7. > > The machine hangs when trying to boot a FreeBSD floppy, I have tried > to update the SRM using a floppy mafe under DOS with mkboot.exe and > decaxppci33_v1_6.exe from compaq, but this resets the machine after > 'jumping to bootstrap code' the machine then hangs after initialising the > graphics card (blue screen + underscore, no SRM). > > Does anybody have an intermediate SRM image or advice? > > Thanks in advance... > > -- > GeoffB > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 10:47: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0285A37B71A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA30735; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:47:07 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 10:47:02 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Geoff Buckingham Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AXPpci33 SRM upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org More specifally, TGA support isn't integrated yet. On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > Try serial conslle > > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Geoff Buckingham wrote: > > > > > I have an AXPpci33 with SRM allready loaded, show version gives X3.7. > > > > The machine hangs when trying to boot a FreeBSD floppy, I have tried > > to update the SRM using a floppy mafe under DOS with mkboot.exe and > > decaxppci33_v1_6.exe from compaq, but this resets the machine after > > 'jumping to bootstrap code' the machine then hangs after initialising the > > graphics card (blue screen + underscore, no SRM). > > > > Does anybody have an intermediate SRM image or advice? > > > > Thanks in advance... > > > > -- > > GeoffB > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 13:21:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D83CE37B71C; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:45:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA06395; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:45:29 +1100 (EDT) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37645) with ESMTP id <01K1DG93WAXSP09SVC@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:45:27 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2IKjQ626539; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:45:26 +1100 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:45:26 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/release/scripts doFS.sh In-reply-to: <20010309043513.A28523@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 04:35:13AM -0800 To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010319074526.A26375@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <200103090103.f2913GQ88940@freefall.freebsd.org> <200103090406.f2946Bs04692@billy-club.village.org> <20010309043513.A28523@dragon.nuxi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved from cvs-all to -alpha] On 2001-Mar-09 04:35:13 -0800, David O'Brien wrote: >On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 09:06:11PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: >> Needless to say, this means that we are right on the hairy edge of >> overflowing for the alpha install disk. > >We've been on the hairy edge with every 4.x release, and commit to the >-current kernel. :-( gcc generates a fair amount of code padding to meet alignment recommendations. On the i386, this can be disabled with the -malign-... options. Would it be worthwhile adding similar options to the Alpha to get rid of the ".align 16" statements bloating the install code? Based on a quick study of the code, it should be fairly easy to add a new "-mno-code-align" option and re-write the LOOP_ALIGN and LABEL_ALIGN_AFTER_BARRIER macros. I'll provide patches if this approach seems useful. (Actually implementing all the i386 alignment choices is probably overkill). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 14: 8:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F70837B71A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31072 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:26:01 -0800 Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:25:56 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AXPpci33 SRM upgrade (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:11:49 +0000 From: Geoff Buckingham To: Matthew Jacob Subject: Re: AXPpci33 SRM upgrade On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 11:59:31AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 10:47:02AM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > More specifally, TGA support isn't integrated yet. > > > > This was with a VGA card (S3 trio) > > *thud* got me.... > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > > Try serial conslle > > > > > > > > > > To get the srm update or freebsd install disk booting? > > freebsd install. > I tried jumpering the board to load the srm from floppy, which hung with a blue screen and lashing underscore. (Like everything else) This along with your suggestion of trying the serial console made the penny drop. set console graphics (duh!) It would seem that the board came with console serial set, but the srm still autodetected the keyboard and used graphics. The upgrader, new srm loaded from floppy, and FreeBSD install disks seem to stictly adhere to the console setting. Thanks to everyone for helping me through my stupidity. -- GeoffB To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Mar 18 15:30:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B20337B719 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 15:30:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from winter@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (winter@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA71900 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:30:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:30:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Matthew N. Dodd" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Fix for AXPPCI33 in -CURRENT. (LCA owners read also). Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1221869499-984958237=:54019" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id PAA04007 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:47:22 +0900 Message-Id: <200103190647.PAA04007@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:47:22 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been trying to compile LAM on FreeBSD4.2R with Linux emulator. Compile itself went on very smoothly. But, I soon noticed that some of network related commands do not work properly. For instance, recon/lamboot etc. These commands get hostnames via gethostbyname(). Somehow, they fail in detecting `localhost'. They are looking at /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf and so on properly, I hope. Another experience I had is that clock() in a simple benchmark does not work properly on the linuxemulator. The benchmark itself runs perfectly in native FreeBSD and native Linux/Alpha. So, I have some questions about the subject. (1) Has anyone got a similar experience before? (2) Is there any good pointer for this problem in addition to `handbook'? # I am using the 4.2R stock linux module. Thanks for your attention. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 1:20:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA18D37B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:20:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9A6C@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Andrew Gallatin' Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Syslog reports weird things Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:20:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Andrew, > > About the only commonality that I see that your machines have and that > mine lacks is the xl nic, but I really doubt that's the problem. > I have no xl card, I have an fxp card instead. > > Hmm.. What do your /etc/ttys files look like? Specifically, what are > the settings for the console, vtyv0 and ttyd0 lines. Eg, I have: > > console none unknown off secure > ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure > ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure > My box froze during last week's buildworld. *sigh* It needs a good scrubbing. :-/ All I can tell you that it has the stock 4.2-release /etc/ttys with some of the excess virtual terminals disabled. Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 6:28: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FB537B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:28:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17102; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2JERVK90048; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:27:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15030.5971.45105.874275@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:27:31 -0500 (EST) To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Syslog reports weird things In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9A6C@l04.research.kpn.com> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9A6C@l04.research.kpn.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Koster, K.J. writes: > Dear Andrew, > > > > > About the only commonality that I see that your machines have and that > > mine lacks is the xl nic, but I really doubt that's the problem. > > > I have no xl card, I have an fxp card instead. > > > > > Hmm.. What do your /etc/ttys files look like? Specifically, what are > > the settings for the console, vtyv0 and ttyd0 lines. Eg, I have: > > > > console none unknown off secure > > ttyv0 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure > > ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" vt100 on secure > > > My box froze during last week's buildworld. *sigh* It needs a good > scrubbing. :-/ All I can tell you that it has the stock 4.2-release > /etc/ttys with some of the excess virtual terminals disabled. Disable the getty on console & make your system look like above. (getty running on actual device, ttyv0 or ttyd0). This should fix your syslog / dmesg problems. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 6:33:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA91D37B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:33:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17199; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:33:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2JEWgc90059; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:32:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15030.6282.161574.349219@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:32:42 -0500 (EST) To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200103190647.PAA04007@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> References: <200103190647.PAA04007@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yoriaki FUJIMORI writes: > > I have been trying to compile LAM on FreeBSD4.2R with Linux emulator. > Compile itself went on very smoothly. But, I soon noticed that some > of network related commands do not work properly. For instance, > recon/lamboot etc. These commands get hostnames via gethostbyname(). > Somehow, they fail in detecting `localhost'. They are looking at > /etc/hosts, /etc/host.conf and so on properly, I hope. So this is a native FreeBSD binary, or a Linux binary? Can you ktrace it & see what's happening? If it is a linux binary, I have an alpha/linux kdump at http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin/linux_kdump > Another experience I had is that clock() in a simple benchmark does > not work properly on the linuxemulator. The benchmark itself runs > perfectly in native FreeBSD and native Linux/Alpha. Can you provide me with sources and a Linux binary? > So, I have some questions about the subject. > (1) Has anyone got a similar experience before? > (2) Is there any good pointer for this problem in addition to `handbook'? > > # I am using the 4.2R stock linux module. Some important linux/alpha abi functionality was missing from 4.2-RELEASE. You might do better with a 4.3-BETA system. Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 8:15:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01BE537B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:15:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA07061 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:15:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA07817 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:15:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB63097.F57C42F5@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:15:19 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Lately, I added a cdwriter to my scsi bus (2940UW adaptec card on 164sx system). It is a yamaha 8424. Since then, my scsi bus is having difficulties: it gets reset way too often (sometimes 3 times one shot!) as if there was a termination problem. I checked the terminations, changed the cable and I still get the problem. It is weird since uppon system reset, it never resets twice. Only SRM and loader do it. It is as if the bus was reset too fast. When it gets reset twice, scsi bus poling fails and I get only two devices (dva0 and pka). Has anyone else seen this problem. I'm about to change the card for a 2940 to see if it's the card but I just wanted to know it this problem has been seen. Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 8:26:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88DA537B71B for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:26:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id BAA05851; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:25:52 +0900 Message-Id: <200103191625.BAA05851@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:15:19 EST." <3AB63097.F57C42F5@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:25:52 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer. I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse working well with 2940uw. You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like pka0_fast pci_parity etc. Is Yamaha a fast scsi device? Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 8:39:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF3E037B719 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:39:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14f2gf-000HIA-00; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:39:17 +0000 To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI , lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:39:17 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@wkb@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.76 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Adaptecs are not recognised by the SRM (unless you have a very recent machine, I think a UP1000 might understand Adaptecs). So, things like pk* settings do not matter to these adapters Wilko > I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw > before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer. > I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse > working well with 2940uw. > > You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like > pka0_fast > pci_parity > etc. > > Is Yamaha a fast scsi device? > > Yoriaki Fujimori > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 8:51: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62C837B719 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:51:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2JGosm64032; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:50:54 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010319085053.A63990@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB63097.F57C42F5@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB63097.F57C42F5@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:15:19AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:15:19AM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > Lately, I added a cdwriter to my scsi bus (2940UW adaptec card on > 164sx system). It is a yamaha 8424. Since then, my scsi bus is having > difficulties: it gets reset way too often (sometimes 3 times one shot!) > as if there was a termination problem. I checked the terminations, > changed the cable and I still get the problem. It is weird since uppon > system reset, it never resets twice. Only SRM and loader do it. You didn't mention what other devices are connected to your 2940uw and on which connectors of it. Since SRM does not see the 2940uw, I am curious how you boot. I would look for a Symbios controler (cheep on eBay), or Qlogics 1040. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 8:55:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1534D37B719 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:55:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id BAA05983; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:55:30 +0900 Message-Id: <200103191655.BAA05983@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:39:17 GMT." Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:55:30 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know 2940uw is detected by SRM of some pc164lx and up1000/1100. But, I have got no pc164sx at hand. So, I was curious if it boots on pc164sx. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 9: 2:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC2637B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:02:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id CAA06027; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:02:05 +0900 Message-Id: <200103191702.CAA06027@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: LAM on linux emulator In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:32:42 EST." <15030.6282.161574.349219@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:02:05 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As for LAM, they are linux binaries. I compiled lam-6.3.2 on FreeBSD4.2R with Compaq's ccc/cxx/fort. I will get kdump for linux and make test tomorrow (today in Tokio?). Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 9:12:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from web11607.mail.yahoo.com (web11607.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1E6F837B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:12:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vincent_ibeachum@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010319171253.73998.qmail@web11607.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.34.19.249] by web11607.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:12:53 PST Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) From: Vince Ibeachum Subject: subscribe To: alpha@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 10:55:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E02F37B718 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:55:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2JItMW65705; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:55:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:55:22 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LAM on linux emulator Message-ID: <20010319105522.A65605@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <15030.6282.161574.349219@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200103191702.CAA06027@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103191702.CAA06027@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp>; from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:02:05AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:02:05AM +0000, Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > As for LAM, they are linux binaries. I compiled lam-6.3.2 on FreeBSD4.2R > with Compaq's ccc/cxx/fort. Is LAM written in C or C++? If C, you can use the /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc port and produce FreeBSD binaries. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 13: 2: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47EF37B726; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:01:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA12910; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA11531; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:45 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl, obrien@freebsd.org, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Uh, I am even more surprised than you guys. Until I added the Yamaha (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra), one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface. The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I beleive. Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported, then I should change it. I don't like it tough. I always liked Adaptec scsi cards on PCs... I hardly know the other brands tough. Symbios and Qlogic ... Any good? Do you have the same problem with the 2940? If so, then it's of no use to try it. It is weird, I really can boot with this card... Normand Leclerc lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca > Adaptecs are not recognised by the SRM (unless you have a very recent > machine, I think a UP1000 might understand Adaptecs). So, things like > pk* settings do not matter to these adapters > > Wilko > > > I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw > > before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer. > > I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse > > working well with 2940uw. > > > > You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like > > pka0_fast > > pci_parity > > etc. > > > > Is Yamaha a fast scsi device? > > > > Yoriaki Fujimori > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 13:10:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632C837B725; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:10:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2JL9ws56087; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:10:09 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200103192110.f2JL9ws56087@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: wkb@freebie.demon.nl, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:01:45 EST." <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:09:58 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported, I like to think that it is supported, but as the maintainer of the driver, perhaps I'm somewhat biased. Can you provide any additional information about the problem? Dumping the kernel messages to another machine via a serial console would be a really good start. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 13:14:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F3C37B720 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:14:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2JLEa168519; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:14:35 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be I would really, really like to see the output of "show dev" and "show conf" (cfg, cnfg, which ever it is) for this machine. > configured using the Alphabios. AlphaBIOS is a totally different beast, and it does support Adaptec controllers. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 13:24:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C484937B721 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA13355; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA14252; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB67915.B8479F6B@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:24:37 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <200103192110.f2JL9ws56087@aslan.scsiguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It does work well once it is booted. The hard part is to get it to boot. I've never seen this problem and I know it is not related to your work on the driver as SRM console is doing the bug. I'd like to know why the SRM has to reset the bus so often tough. It resets it first to get the devices. Then when I boot, it gets another reset, loader kicks in, resets again and then FreeBSD resets it last. I found that FreeBSD resets the bus correctly as I've never had problems beyond the loader. Usually, I get dummy scsi resets when SRM tries to find devices or when loader resets it. The problem looks like a reset command is sent to the bus and is bouncing back and forth from adapter to last device... I tought about cable, termination, now it's up to the card itself... I don't know about resetting slow devices too fast, can it do something like this? I mean, my CDROM is very slow to reset and the Yamaha is quite slow too. Normand Leclerc lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca "Justin T. Gibbs" wrote: > >Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported, > > I like to think that it is supported, but as the maintainer of the > driver, perhaps I'm somewhat biased. > > Can you provide any additional information about the problem? Dumping > the kernel messages to another machine via a serial console would be > a really good start. > > -- > Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 14:16:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DC137B719; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:16:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14f7uz-000433-00; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:14:25 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2JMGn002232; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:16:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:16:49 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010319231649.B2202@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > Uh, I am even more surprised than you guys. Until I added the Yamaha > (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two > barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra), > one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface. > > The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't > seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I Because SRM does not support Adaptecs. > beleive. Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported, It is. Really. Believe us. Check the Compaq/DEC documentation. > then I should change it. I don't like it tough. I always liked Adaptec > scsi cards on PCs... I hardly know the other brands tough. Symbios and > Qlogic ... Any good? Yes. > Do you have the same problem with the 2940? If so, then it's of no > use to try it. It is weird, I really can boot with this card... Not with SRM. > Normand Leclerc > lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca > > > > > Adaptecs are not recognised by the SRM (unless you have a very recent > > machine, I think a UP1000 might understand Adaptecs). So, things like > > pk* settings do not matter to these adapters > > > > Wilko > > > > > I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw > > > before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer. > > > I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse > > > working well with 2940uw. > > > > > > You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like > > > pka0_fast > > > pci_parity > > > etc. > > > > > > Is Yamaha a fast scsi device? > > > > > > Yoriaki Fujimori > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 14:19:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FCA37B71A; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:19:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keichii@peorth.iteration.net) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4865159283; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:18:35 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:18:35 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: wkb@freebie.demon.nl, obrien@freebsd.org, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010319161835.A14953@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" Mail-Followup-To: "Michael C . Wu" , lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, wkb@freebie.demon.nl, obrien@freebsd.org, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 04:01:45PM -0500, Normand Leclerc scribbled: | seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I I think the newest SRM version is 5.9 even for PWS 500a*'s -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@iteration.net | keichii@freebsd.org | | http://iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +-----------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 15:37:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A99C37B721; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:37:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr06.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA12789; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:30:52 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr06.primenet.com(206.165.6.206) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA00aijy; Mon Mar 19 16:29:34 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr06.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10886; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:35:06 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103192335.QAA10886@usr06.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl (Wilko Bulte) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:35:06 +0000 (GMT) Cc: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010319231649.B2202@freebie.demon.nl> from "Wilko Bulte" at Mar 19, 2001 11:16:49 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Uh, I am even more surprised than you guys. Until I added the Yamaha > > (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two > > barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra), > > one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface. > > > > The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be > > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't > > seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I > > Because SRM does not support Adaptecs. Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't? Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS? It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 15:51:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023DA37B71C; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:51:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2JNiqg12049; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:44:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103192344.f2JNiqg12049@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Terry Lambert Cc: wkb@freebie.demon.nl (Wilko Bulte), lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:35:06 GMT." <200103192335.QAA10886@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:44:52 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be > > > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't > > > seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I > > > > Because SRM does not support Adaptecs. > > Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't? Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT. > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS? No. > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing > support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck). Neither. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 16:16:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18BB37B721 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14f9mx-0003A8-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:14:15 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2JNajT17957 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:36:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: How serious are we about ccc? Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <99656d$hgs$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do we consider ccc (ports/lang/compaq-cc) just a curiosity and squarely put the blame on ccc if something doesn't build with it, or do we want ccc do have a modicum of usefulness? Lest this be misunderstood, I'm merely asking an honest question. I recently built the mawk port with ccc, which works. Today I've tried Ogg Vorbis. Libtool doesn't handle building shared libraries with ccc (which I would assume to be a configuration issue) and the compiler dies on some of our system header files, which I haven't examined yet. Is there any worth in investigating these problems? -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 16:20:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7991D37B71F for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2K0JTg12392; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103200019.f2K0JTg12392@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How serious are we about ccc? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:36:45 GMT." <99656d$hgs$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:19:29 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Do we consider ccc (ports/lang/compaq-cc) just a curiosity and > squarely put the blame on ccc if something doesn't build with it, > or do we want ccc do have a modicum of usefulness? This is really a question best left to people like you that might actually care about it. By the sounds of it, yes. > haven't examined yet. Is there any worth in investigating these > problems? Personally, I would encourage you to do so, yes. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 20:30:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from neutrino.quantum.net (modemcable037.229-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.229.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B7537B71C; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:30:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2K4TXZb014085; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:29:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:29:32 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@freebsd.org, Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020102060308020504070305" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020102060308020504070305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just updated to the last SRM console for the SX (5.8, 5.9 will never get out...) > I would really, really like to see the output of > > "show dev" > and > "show conf" (cfg, cnfg, which ever it is) > > for this machine. There you go. Just to prove that this adapter can boot FreeBSD on Alpha using SRM. Normand Leclerc leclercn@ele.etsmtl.ca --------------020102060308020504070305 Content-Type: text/plain; name="srmoutput.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="srmoutput.txt" init *** keyboard not plugged in... ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0. ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 bus 0, slot 6 -- pka -- Adaptec AIC-7880 bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7. Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20 >>>show config Quanta, Atom server; SRM Console V5.8-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6 SROM Revision: 3.11 Alpha 21164PC-2 Pyxis ASIC Pass 2 MEMORY 128 MBytes of system memory Bank # Size Base Addr ------ ---------- --------- 0 128 MB 000000000 Total Bad Pages = 0 Total Good Memory = 128 MBytes Bcache Size = 1 MB PCI Bus Bus 00 Slot 05: 905510B7/905510B7 Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 dka0.0.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST34572N dka100.1.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST32550N dka200.2.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST19101N dka400.4.0.6.0 YAMAHA CRW8424S dka600.6.0.6.0 NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:222 Bus 00 Slot 07: 0519102B Bus 00 Slot 08/0: Cypress 82C693 Bridge to Bus 1, ISA Bus 00 Slot 08/1: Cypress 82C693 IDE dqa.0.0.108.0 Bus 00 Slot 08/2: Cypress 82C693 IDE dqb.0.1.208.0 Bus 00 Slot 08/3: Cypress 82C693 USB ISA Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr IRQ DMA 0 0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 12 1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 1 2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 4 3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 3 4 LPT1 Embedded Yes 3bc 7 5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 6 2 >>> --------------020102060308020504070305-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 20:39:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE88C37B71C for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:39:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2K4blu74454; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:37:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:37:31 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20 > >>>show config > Quanta, Atom server; ... > Alpha 21164PC-2 What kind of Alpha is this? You mentioned it was a PC164SX, right? I don't remember this being the same output as the one I had. > MEMORY > 128 MBytes of system memory > Bank # Size Base Addr > ------ ---------- --------- > 0 128 MB 000000000 Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs > Bcache Size = 1 MB Nor did it have 1MB cache. > PCI Bus > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 > pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 What ever type of Alpha this is, _keep_it_! :-) Sweet that it can boot from an Adaptec. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 20:52: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from utep.el.utwente.nl (utep.el.utwente.nl [130.89.30.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0044F37B722 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:52:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from A.Dergatchev@tn.utwente.nl) Received: from tn.utwente.nl (uttnb55.tn.utwente.nl [130.89.74.55]) by utep.el.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04024 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: <3AB6E209.EDB01281@tn.utwente.nl> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:52:25 +0100 From: "Andrei A. Dergatchev" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > MEMORY > > 128 MBytes of system memory > > Bank # Size Base Addr > > ------ ---------- --------- > > 0 128 MB 000000000 > > Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs Perhaps he got 2 by 64 ? They just populate bank 0, what's wrong ? > > > > Bcache Size = 1 MB > > Nor did it have 1MB cache. I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-) > > > > PCI Bus > > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 > > pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > > What ever type of Alpha this is, _keep_it_! :-) > Sweet that it can boot from an Adaptec. > > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX > Regards, Andrei To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 20:55:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from utep.el.utwente.nl (utep.el.utwente.nl [130.89.30.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDA237B725 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:55:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from A.Dergatchev@tn.utwente.nl) Received: from tn.utwente.nl (uttnb55.tn.utwente.nl [130.89.74.55]) by utep.el.utwente.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA04072 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:56:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3AB6E2D4.C50EB5D3@tn.utwente.nl> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 05:55:49 +0100 From: "Andrei A. Dergatchev" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6E209.EDB01281@tn.utwente.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sigh, should have taken my morning coffee first :-( sorry > > > I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-) > Or even most likely 1Mb of off chip L3 :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 20:58:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042B137B724; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA18048; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:55:06 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAhSa4nJ; Mon Mar 19 21:55:02 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA22633; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:58:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103200458.VAA22633@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems To: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Cc: tlambert@primenet.com (Terry Lambert), wkb@freebie.demon.nl (Wilko Bulte), lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200103192344.f2JNiqg12049@mass.dis.org> from "Mike Smith" at Mar 19, 2001 03:44:52 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't? > > Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT. > > > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS? > > No. > > > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing > > support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs > > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck). > > Neither. OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 22:10:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD7937B722 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:10:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2K68vx75291; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:08:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:08:56 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010319220856.A75267@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200103192344.f2JNiqg12049@mass.dis.org> <200103200458.VAA22633@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103200458.VAA22633@usr05.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:58:14AM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:58:14AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever > code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy. Qlogic 1040's are hard to find??? I found a truck load on eBay a several months ago for $30 each. Symbios based ones are hard to find??? I've also seen Symbios branded UW controllers for $25-$35 (I got one for $31 to put in my AS250). Not to mention Tekram and DECpaq ones. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Mar 19 22:21:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DCFF37B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:21:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2K6Iog15160; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:18:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103200618.f2K6Iog15160@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:58:14 GMT." <200103200458.VAA22633@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:18:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't? > > > > Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT. > > > > > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS? > > > > No. > > > > > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing > > > support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs > > > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck). > > > > Neither. > > OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever > code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy. FreeBSD doesn't need to switch at all, in that case. I'm basically sick of this thread coming up every six months or so. Folks; you just need to deal with reality, and frankly, pissing on about which SCSI adapter is supported by ancient Alpha hardware has very little at all to do with any sort of reality. Get a life. Oh, and if you want a supported disk adapter for an old Alpha, hit up eBay for an old Mylex RAID controller with Alpha firmware. You should be able to get a single-channel unit for around $20 or so. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 0:19:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42DD937B732; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:19:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14fHMq-00036h-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:19:48 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2K8MDX04891; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:22:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:22:13 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320092213.B4321@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20010319231649.B2202@freebie.demon.nl> <200103192335.QAA10886@usr06.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200103192335.QAA10886@usr06.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:35:06PM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:35:06PM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Uh, I am even more surprised than you guys. Until I added the Yamaha > > > (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two > > > barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra), > > > one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface. > > > > > > The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be > > > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't > > > seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I > > > > Because SRM does not support Adaptecs. > > Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't? Beats me. > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS? No. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 0:21:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94AE537B732; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:21:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14fHON-000LJw-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:21:23 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2K8Nmd04905; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:23:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:23:48 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Terry Lambert Cc: Mike Smith , lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320092348.C4321@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200103192344.f2JNiqg12049@mass.dis.org> <200103200458.VAA22633@usr05.primenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200103200458.VAA22633@usr05.primenet.com>; from tlambert@primenet.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:58:14AM +0000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:58:14AM +0000, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't? > > > > Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT. > > > > > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS? > > > > No. > > > > > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing > > > support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs > > > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck). > > > > Neither. > > OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever > code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy. Not that discussion again : please read the archives on PAL code issues etc. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 0:23:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE1E37B736; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 00:23:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14fHQZ-000LSk-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:23:40 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2K8Q5604929; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:26:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:26:05 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: obrien@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320092605.D4321@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > I just updated to the last SRM console for the SX (5.8, 5.9 will never > get out...) > > > I would really, really like to see the output of > > > > "show dev" > > and > > "show conf" (cfg, cnfg, which ever it is) > > > > for this machine. > > There you go. Just to prove that this adapter can boot FreeBSD on > Alpha using SRM. > > > Normand Leclerc > leclercn@ele.etsmtl.ca > init > *** keyboard not plugged in... > ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0. > ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI > probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 > bus 0, slot 6 -- pka -- Adaptec AIC-7880 > bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE > bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE > ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7. > > Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20 > >>>show config > Quanta, Atom server; ^^^-- what is that? Does not look like any standard SRM I have ever seen. Most likely a customised version of some sort. > > SRM Console V5.8-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6 > > SROM Revision: 3.11 > Alpha 21164PC-2 > Pyxis ASIC Pass 2 > > MEMORY > > 128 MBytes of system memory > > Bank # Size Base Addr > ------ ---------- --------- > 0 128 MB 000000000 > > Total Bad Pages = 0 > Total Good Memory = 128 MBytes > > Bcache Size = 1 MB > > > PCI Bus > Bus 00 Slot 05: 905510B7/905510B7 > > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 > pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > dka0.0.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST34572N > dka100.1.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST32550N > dka200.2.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST19101N > dka400.4.0.6.0 YAMAHA CRW8424S > dka600.6.0.6.0 NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:222 > Bus 00 Slot 07: 0519102B > > Bus 00 Slot 08/0: Cypress 82C693 > Bridge to Bus 1, ISA > Bus 00 Slot 08/1: Cypress 82C693 IDE > dqa.0.0.108.0 > Bus 00 Slot 08/2: Cypress 82C693 IDE > dqb.0.1.208.0 > Bus 00 Slot 08/3: Cypress 82C693 USB > > > > ISA > Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr IRQ DMA > 0 > 0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 12 > > 1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 1 > > 2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 4 > > 3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 3 > > 4 LPT1 Embedded Yes 3bc 7 > > 5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 6 2 > >>> ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 1:31:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DED237B722 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:31:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from [62.49.251.130] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14fITw-000J3p-0C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:31:12 +0000 Received: from salmon.nlsystems.com (salmon [10.0.0.3]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2K9Tu496858; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:29:56 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:29:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: "Andrei A. Dergatchev" Cc: Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-Reply-To: <3AB6E209.EDB01281@tn.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Andrei A. Dergatchev wrote: > I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-) This would be the size of the L3 cache. L1 and L2 are on-chip. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 6:56:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E607F37B740; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:56:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA12029; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:56:20 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2KEto292473; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15031.28534.349238.376549@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:55:50 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-Reply-To: <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > > Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20 > > >>>show config > > Quanta, Atom server; > ... > > Alpha 21164PC-2 > > What kind of Alpha is this? You mentioned it was a PC164SX, right? > I don't remember this being the same output as the one I had. > > > MEMORY > > 128 MBytes of system memory > > Bank # Size Base Addr > > ------ ---------- --------- > > 0 128 MB 000000000 > > Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs I think only the PC164 (no LX or SX) requires memory installation in pairs. > > Bcache Size = 1 MB > > Nor did it have 1MB cache. From what I can tell, Nor did you have a 164SX. ;) From the product brief at http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/164sxpb.pdf it certainly sounds like a 164sx -- 1MB Bcache, Cypress Super I/O, etc. I don't know whats up with the "Quanta, Atom server" line. Normand, in regard to your SCSI problems. The 2940 (and most U/W scsi cards) can only use 2 of their 3 connectors (2 68pin OR 1 68pin and 1 50 pin) without running into problems. Are you using only 2 connectors? The FreeBSD Adaptec driver used to yell at you if you violated this rule and connected up all three ports. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 7:27:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B9437B71C for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:27:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA12693; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:23:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2KFMYh92566; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:22:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15031.30138.214213.123377@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:22:34 -0500 (EST) To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: How serious are we about ccc? In-Reply-To: <99656d$hgs$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <99656d$hgs$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber writes: > Do we consider ccc (ports/lang/compaq-cc) just a curiosity and > squarely put the blame on ccc if something doesn't build with it, > or do we want ccc do have a modicum of usefulness? No. Yes(*) Yes. (*) But it might be fixable, via comp.config. > Lest this be misunderstood, I'm merely asking an honest question. > I recently built the mawk port with ccc, which works. Today I've > tried Ogg Vorbis. Libtool doesn't handle building shared libraries > with ccc (which I would assume to be a configuration issue) and > the compiler dies on some of our system header files, which I > haven't examined yet. Is there any worth in investigating these > problems? Yes, very much so. The gnu compiler is terrible on the alpha platform. Not only does it produce slow code, it produces broken code and/or crashes at even modest optimization levels. Wrt dying on the system header files, I assume you are aware of how to setup the comp.config so that it searches ccc specific versions of our header files prior to looking in /usr/include? Check out /usr/lib/compaq/ccc-($version)/alpha-linux/bin/comp.config Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 7:28:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFADF37B71B for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:28:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KFP2H16570; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:25:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:25:02 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320072502.B72327@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> <15031.28534.349238.376549@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15031.28534.349238.376549@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:55:50AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:55:50AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs > I think only the PC164 (no LX or SX) requires memory installation in pairs. Page 5-1 of the "AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard, Windows NT, User's Manual" says: "Each bank consists of two DIMMs and must be fully populated." > From what I can tell, Nor did you have a 164SX. ;) Actually my 2nd Alpha was a PC164SX (the first was a Multia I fried). > From the product brief at > http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/164sxpb.pdf > it certainly sounds like a 164sx -- 1MB Bcache, You're right about the 1MB. For some reason I thought it was only 512KB. > Normand, in regard to your SCSI problems. The 2940 (and most U/W scsi > cards) can only use 2 of their 3 connectors (2 68pin OR 1 68pin and 1 I don't believe he is violating this. A previous message said all his internal devices are narrow. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 7:40:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012D137B721 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:40:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KFe6N16740; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:40:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:40:06 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Andrei A. Dergatchev" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320074006.A16649@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6E209.EDB01281@tn.utwente.nl> <3AB6E2D4.C50EB5D3@tn.utwente.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB6E2D4.C50EB5D3@tn.utwente.nl>; from A.Dergatchev@tn.utwente.nl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:55:49AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 05:55:49AM +0100, Andrei A. Dergatchev wrote: > Sigh, should have taken my morning coffee first :-( sorry > > I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-) > > Or even most likely 1Mb of off chip L3 :-) NOPE. The PC164SX does not have L3 cache. That's why I bought a PWS to replace mine. From the "AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard" User's Manual: L1 Icache 16KB, direct-mapped, instruction cache on the CPU chip L1 Dcache 8KB, direct-mapped, data cache on the CPU chip L2 backup cache Onboard 1MB, direct-mapped, synchronous SSRAM backup cache with 128-bit data path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 7:54:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B8537B727 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:54:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27774; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24799; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB77D19.E84FE6CF@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:54:01 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> <15031.28534.349238.376549@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > etc. I don't know whats up with the "Quanta, Atom server" line. > Awh, this line is only the OEM_STRING environment variable of the SRM. It can be customized. Atom is the name of this server and Quanta is my company... ;) > > Normand, in regard to your SCSI problems. The 2940 (and most U/W scsi > cards) can only use 2 of their 3 connectors (2 68pin OR 1 68pin and 1 > 50 pin) without running into problems. Are you using only 2 > connectors? The FreeBSD Adaptec driver used to yell at you if you > violated this rule and connected up all three ports. > > Drew I am only using the narrow interface. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 7:57:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4646737B718; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:57:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA27834; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:57:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA25152; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:57:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB77DF5.9F32922B@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:57:41 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319203731.A74433@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > >>>show config > > Quanta, Atom server; > See my reply to Andrew Gallatin for this... > ... > > Alpha 21164PC-2 > > What kind of Alpha is this? You mentioned it was a PC164SX, right? > I don't remember this being the same output as the one I had. > > > MEMORY > > 128 MBytes of system memory > > Bank # Size Base Addr > > ------ ---------- --------- > > 0 128 MB 000000000 > > Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs They are in pair. Banks are two dimms wide... > > > Bcache Size = 1 MB > > Nor did it have 1MB cache. > Hmmm, maybe you had the 2MB version then? There are two versions I beleive... > > > PCI Bus > > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 > > pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > > What ever type of Alpha this is, _keep_it_! :-) > Sweet that it can boot from an Adaptec. Sweet when I can boot. My problem still persist. The bus gets reset twice and sometimes 3 times at the first initialization. When this happens, scsi polling fails and I can only see pka0.7 ... I really must know why... Normand Leclerc lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 8:13:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E53837B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:13:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA28115; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:13:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA27069; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:13:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7819F.EB6E613C@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:13:19 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <200103201606.f2KG6jK49064@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Yoriaki, The IDs of my scsi devices are 0,1,2 for hard disks, 4 for the Yamaha and 6 for the NEC-222 cdrom, 7 of course being the adapter. I didn't try this config in a PC tough but I'm pretty confident that it will work since I don't have problems once I get through the loader process (SRM + loader). FreeBSD has never failed resetting the bus. Only SRM and loader do. My 2940UW can be configured through AlphaBIOS. I just resetted the values to default... Normand Leclerc lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > Dear Normand, > > If I understand what you wrote correctly, your pc164sx can boot > without that Yamaha beast. Right? > Then, how did you configure your 2940? I do not know its exact > model name, but you can see the configuration on PC. > What are scsi ids for your harddisks, Yamaha and blah blah? > > Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 9:48: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07A337B73D for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:47:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KHlW934894; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:47:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:47:31 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Holy cow! The AlphaPC 164SX's SRM _*DOES*_ recognize Adaptec controllers: >>>*** keyboard not plugged in... ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0. ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 bus 0, slot 5 -- pka -- NCR 53C825 bus 0, slot 6 -- pkb -- Adaptec AIC-7880 bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7. ..snip.. >>>show config Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz SRM Console V5.7-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6 ..snip.. PCI Bus Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C825 pka0.7.0.5.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 pkb0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 dkb500.5.0.6.0 TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-34 And I was able to boot the 4.2 installation CD with it. Supported Adaptec controllers include 2940U and 2940UW. The 2930u2 is _not_ supported. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11: 1: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B44437B71C for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fR3q-00033t-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:40:50 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KIWQS16422 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:32:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: ccc: netdb.h Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:32:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9987nq$eui$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody have any idea what ccc doesn't like here? The __P() macro is not the problem. cc: Error: /usr/include/netdb.h, line 238: Ill-formed parameter type list. (parmtyplist) int getnameinfo __P((const struct sockaddr *, socklen_t, char *, ----------------------------^ -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11:32: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AD437B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fRrJ-0004lQ-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:31:57 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KJVPl20130 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:31:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: ccc: netdb.h Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:31:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <998b6d$j9b$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <9987nq$eui$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber wrote: > cc: Error: /usr/include/netdb.h, line 238: Ill-formed parameter type > list. (parmtyplist) > int getnameinfo __P((const struct sockaddr *, socklen_t, char *, > ----------------------------^ As a simple test file indicates, #include #include #include ccc chokes on socklen_t. Hmm. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11:41:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AA7B37B71E; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:41:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01893; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:40:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21562; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:40:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7B24A.A9DB4275@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:40:58 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org See, I told you! ;) David O'Brien wrote: > Holy cow! The AlphaPC 164SX's SRM _*DOES*_ recognize Adaptec controllers: > > >>>*** keyboard not plugged in... > ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0. > ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI > probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1 > bus 0, slot 5 -- pka -- NCR 53C825 > bus 0, slot 6 -- pkb -- Adaptec AIC-7880 > bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE > bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE > ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7. > > ..snip.. > >>>show config > Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz > SRM Console V5.7-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6 > ..snip.. > PCI Bus > Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C825 > pka0.7.0.5.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 > pkb0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > dkb500.5.0.6.0 TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-34 > > And I was able to boot the 4.2 installation CD with it. > > Supported Adaptec controllers include 2940U and 2940UW. > The 2930u2 is _not_ supported. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11:44:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0775737B71F; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:44:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14fS3K-0009gG-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:44:22 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2KJkn301831; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:46:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:46:49 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320204649.A1420@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:47:31AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:47:31AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > Holy cow! The AlphaPC 164SX's SRM _*DOES*_ recognize Adaptec controllers: ^--- not a mad cow I hope? ;) > Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz > SRM Console V5.7-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6 > ..snip.. > PCI Bus > Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C825 > pka0.7.0.5.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880 > pkb0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 > dkb500.5.0.6.0 TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-34 > > And I was able to boot the 4.2 installation CD with it. > > Supported Adaptec controllers include 2940U and 2940UW. > The 2930u2 is _not_ supported. Is that really a 2930U2. Or do you mean a 2940U2? HARDWARE.TXT is waiting for your reply ;) -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11:49: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4ECC37B71F for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KJmph36633; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:48:50 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320114850.A36606@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010320204649.A1420@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010320204649.A1420@freebie.demon.nl>; from wkb@freebie.demon.nl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:46:49PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:46:49PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Is that really a 2930U2. Or do you mean a 2940U2? Yes. A 2930u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, and internal LVD connector. A 2940u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, internal wide, and internal LVD connects. The only difference between a 2940u2 and 2940u2w is the external connector/bus. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11:50:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0098637B71F for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:50:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KJoQd36670; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:50:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:50:26 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320115025.B36606@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB7B24A.A9DB4275@ele.etsmtl.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AB7B24A.A9DB4275@ele.etsmtl.ca>; from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:40:58PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:40:58PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > See, I told you! ;) Sorry to doubt you. I have heard many, many, many times in the past that no 21164-based Alpha's SRM supported Adaptec controllers. Anybody want to buy my AlphaPC 164SX now? ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 11:57:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5740437B71E; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:57:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA02186; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:57:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA23462; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:57:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB7B60C.96D3F7DF@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:57:00 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB7B24A.A9DB4275@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320115025.B36606@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org WAIT! Cand you load your 2940 bus and test it for me? I really need to know if the card is faulty or not. The test is very simple: init, init, init, init etc 'till you type through your keyboard! ;) Seriously, if after 10 inits in a row, having a slow CDROM, CDRW and hard disks, you don't loose a single device, then I will consider changing the adapter (testing first with the 2940...) Will have to find one of those Qlogic 1040 ultra ... Having more guts, I would have changed this SX machine for an UP1000 but I've had enough problems with this one... Normand Leclerc lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 02:40:58PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote: > > See, I told you! ;) > > Sorry to doubt you. I have heard many, many, many times in the past that > no 21164-based Alpha's SRM supported Adaptec controllers. > > Anybody want to buy my AlphaPC 164SX now? ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 12:35:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507D337B73C; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:35:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14fSr1-0000Ql-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:35:43 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2KKcA202284; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:38:10 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320213810.D2162@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010320204649.A1420@freebie.demon.nl> <20010320114850.A36606@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010320114850.A36606@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:48:50AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:48:50AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:46:49PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Is that really a 2930U2. Or do you mean a 2940U2? > > Yes. A 2930u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, and internal LVD > connector. A 2940u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, internal > wide, and internal LVD connects. The only difference between a 2940u2 > and 2940u2w is the external connector/bus. Does this imply 2940U2[W] will also not work? -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 12:46:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5634637B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:46:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fSxn-0006z4-01; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:42:43 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KKgHB30959 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:42:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: ccc: netdb.h Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <998fb9$tsf$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <9987nq$eui$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <998b6d$j9b$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber wrote: > ccc chokes on socklen_t. Hmm. Nailed it. The private installed by the port hasn't kept up with /usr/include/machine/ansi.h. --- ansi.h.orig Tue Mar 20 20:51:43 2001 +++ ansi.h Tue Mar 20 20:55:06 2001 @@ -49,20 +49,19 @@ * #endif */ #define _BSD_CLOCK_T_ int /* clock() */ +#define _BSD_CLOCKID_T_ int /* clockid_t */ #define _BSD_PTRDIFF_T_ long /* ptr1 - ptr2 */ #define _BSD_SIZE_T_ unsigned long /* sizeof() */ +#define _BSD_SOCKLEN_T_ __uint32_t #define _BSD_SSIZE_T_ long /* byte count or error */ #define _BSD_TIME_T_ int /* time() */ +#define _BSD_TIMER_T_ int /* timer_t */ typedef struct { char *__base; int __offset; int __pad; } __va_list; #define _BSD_VA_LIST_ __va_list /* va_list */ -#define _BSD_CLOCKID_T_ int /* clockid_t */ -#define _BSD_TIMER_T_ int /* timer_t */ -#define _BSD_SUSECONDS_T_ int /* suseconds_t */ -#define _BSD_USECONDS_T_ unsigned int /* useconds_t */ /* * Types which are fundamental to the implementation and must be used -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 13:35:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81FD037B71B for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:35:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KLVqU40472; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:31:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:31:52 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320133152.C40436@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3AB673B9.A3D4811@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010319131435.A68464@dragon.nuxi.com> <3AB6DCAC.70601@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010320094731.A32653@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010320204649.A1420@freebie.demon.nl> <20010320114850.A36606@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010320213810.D2162@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010320213810.D2162@freebie.demon.nl>; from wkb@freebie.demon.nl on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:38:10PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:38:10PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Yes. A 2930u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, and internal LVD > > connector. A 2940u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, internal > > wide, and internal LVD connects. The only difference between a 2940u2 > > and 2940u2w is the external connector/bus. > > Does this imply 2940U2[W] will also not work? 99.999% sure. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 13:35:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6AC337B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:35:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fTkm-00009p-00; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:33:20 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KLRaO32547 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:27:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: ccc vs. libtool Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:27:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm writing this to background music played by a completely ccc-compiled Ogg Vorbis player... 1. Position-independent code? What's the situation regarding PIC on alpha? libtool defaults to building with -fPIC on FreeBSD. I haven't found any such option in the ccc man page. libtool assumes that the native OSF/1 compiler produces PIC code by default. I've extended this to ccc, and it appears to work. 2. Detecting ccc? In order to properly patch libtool, I need to detect that the compiler is ccc. I'd hate to do this by name only. Is there an equivalent to gcc's __GNUC__ define? (Do we lose this by using our own cpp?) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 13:40:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C002237B71D for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA22944; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:38:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2KLcMS46686; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:38:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:38:22 -0500 (EST) To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool In-Reply-To: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber writes: > I'm writing this to background music played by a completely > ccc-compiled Ogg Vorbis player... Cool! > 2. Detecting ccc? > > In order to properly patch libtool, I need to detect that the > compiler is ccc. I'd hate to do this by name only. Is there an > equivalent to gcc's __GNUC__ define? (Do we lose this by using > our own cpp?) I have older test programs where I use #ifdef __DECC I think this should work for you. It would be quite cool if you could get imake (and, hence, XFree86) building. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 15:39: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aslan.scsiguy.com (aslan.scsiguy.com [63.229.232.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A0B37B731; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:38:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Received: from scsiguy.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aslan.scsiguy.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2KNcps74760; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:38:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from gibbs@scsiguy.com) Message-Id: <200103202338.f2KNcps74760@aslan.scsiguy.com> To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:31:52 PST." <20010320133152.C40436@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:38:51 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> Does this imply 2940U2[W] will also not work? > >99.999% sure. The code probably recognizes any aic785X, aic787X, and aic788X controller. It might also support the aic7895 (its close to the others), but the U2/U160 controllers are sufficiently different that it would surprise me if they were supported. -- Justin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:16:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F2737B720 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L0Fxq42266; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:15:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:15:55 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Justin T. Gibbs" Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940UW booting problems Message-ID: <20010320161554.A42231@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010320133152.C40436@dragon.nuxi.com> <200103202338.f2KNcps74760@aslan.scsiguy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103202338.f2KNcps74760@aslan.scsiguy.com>; from gibbs@scsiguy.com on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:38:51PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:38:51PM -0700, Justin T. Gibbs wrote: > >> Does this imply 2940U2[W] will also not work? > > > >99.999% sure. > > The code probably recognizes any aic785X, aic787X, and aic788X > controller. It might also support the aic7895 (its close to It actually uses PCI IDs. For instance the Diamond FP-20 cards, which use the Symbios 53C875, are not reconized because Diamond added to the PCI ID and SRM doesn't mask the value it looks for. All other Symbios 53C875 based cards I've tried do work. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:20:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97FE037B719 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L0Jqs42320; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:19:50 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool Message-ID: <20010320161950.A42275@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:27:36PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:27:36PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I'm writing this to background music played by a completely > ccc-compiled Ogg Vorbis player... Put that binary up somewhere! :-) -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:20:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785D237B719 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:20:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L0KdH42333; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:20:37 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ccc: netdb.h Message-ID: <20010320162037.B42275@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <9987nq$eui$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <998b6d$j9b$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <998fb9$tsf$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <998fb9$tsf$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:42:17PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:42:17PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Nailed it. > The private installed by the port hasn't kept up > with /usr/include/machine/ansi.h. Duh! I'm even the one that made some of these changes. I'll fix that. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:22:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3C437B71A; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:22:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fWOI-0004ox-01; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:22:18 +0100 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2KNpUh65138; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:51:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:51:30 +0100 From: Christian Weisgerber To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: reg@FreeBSD.org Subject: Preliminary libtool patch Message-ID: <20010321005130.A64770@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Here's a preliminary patch to support ccc in libtool (via our devel/libtool port). I'm really clueless about libtool. This patch allows building shared and static libraries with ccc. There may be further issues I'm as yet unaware of. People may want to play with this. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="libtool.patch" diff -uNr /usr/ports/devel/libtool/Makefile libtool/Makefile --- /usr/ports/devel/libtool/Makefile Mon Feb 5 14:48:20 2001 +++ libtool/Makefile Wed Mar 21 00:09:59 2001 @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ PORTNAME= libtool PORTVERSION= 1.3.4 -PORTREVISION= 2 +PORTREVISION= 3 CATEGORIES= devel MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_GNU} MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR= libtool diff -uNr /usr/ports/devel/libtool/files/patch-ac libtool/files/patch-ac --- /usr/ports/devel/libtool/files/patch-ac Mon Sep 25 09:38:14 2000 +++ libtool/files/patch-ac Wed Mar 21 00:07:02 2001 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ ---- ltconfig.orig Tue Dec 7 23:50:48 1999 -+++ ltconfig Wed Sep 20 11:11:39 2000 +--- ltconfig.orig Tue Dec 7 22:50:48 1999 ++++ ltconfig Wed Mar 21 00:06:38 2001 @@ -169,7 +169,7 @@ # Constants: PROGRAM=ltconfig @@ -55,7 +55,51 @@ --enable-dlopen) enable_dlopen=yes ;; --enable-win32-dll) enable_win32_dll=yes ;; -@@ -971,11 +985,11 @@ +@@ -591,6 +605,25 @@ + fi + $rm conftest.c + echo "$ac_t$with_gcc" 1>&6 ++ ++ # Check if the compiler is Compaq C ++ if test "$with_gcc" != yes; then ++ with_ccc=no ++ echo $ac_n "checking whether we are using Compaq C... $ac_c" 1>&6 ++ echo "$progname:581: checking whether we are using Compaq C" >&5 ++ ++ $rm conftest.c ++ cat > conftest.c <&5; (eval $ac_try) 2>&5; }; } | egrep yes >/dev/null 2>&1; then ++ with_ccc=yes ++ fi ++ $rm conftest.c ++ echo "$ac_t$with_ccc" 1>&6 ++ fi + fi + + # Allow CC to be a program name with arguments. +@@ -693,6 +726,17 @@ + pic_flag='-fPIC' + ;; + esac ++elif test "$with_ccc" = yes; then ++ case "$host_os" in ++ osf[345]* | linux-gnu* | freebsd*) ++ # All Compaq C alpha code is PIC. ++ wl='-Wl,' ++ link_static_flag='-non_shared' ++ ;; ++ *) ++ can_build_shared=no ++ ;; ++ esac + else + # PORTME Check for PIC flags for the system compiler. + case "$host_os" in +@@ -971,11 +1015,11 @@ $rm conftest.dat if ln -s X conftest.dat 2>/dev/null; then $rm conftest.dat @@ -69,7 +113,7 @@ echo "$ac_t"yes 1>&6 else echo "$ac_t"no 1>&6 -@@ -1226,8 +1240,8 @@ +@@ -1226,8 +1270,8 @@ *) if $LD --help 2>&1 | egrep ': supported targets:.* elf' > /dev/null; then @@ -80,7 +124,7 @@ else ld_shlibs=no fi -@@ -1353,14 +1367,6 @@ +@@ -1353,14 +1397,6 @@ hardcode_shlibpath_var=no ;; @@ -95,7 +139,7 @@ hpux9* | hpux10* | hpux11*) case "$host_os" in hpux9*) archive_cmds='$rm $objdir/$soname~$LD -b +b $install_libdir -o $objdir/$soname $libobjs $deplibs $linkopts~test $objdir/$soname = $lib || mv $objdir/$soname $lib' ;; -@@ -1775,7 +1781,7 @@ +@@ -1775,7 +1811,7 @@ version_type=none dynamic_linker="$host_os ld.so" sys_lib_dlsearch_path_spec="/lib /usr/lib" @@ -104,7 +148,7 @@ file_magic_cmd= file_magic_test_file= deplibs_check_method='unknown' -@@ -1874,18 +1880,21 @@ +@@ -1874,18 +1910,21 @@ case "$version_type" in freebsd-elf*) deplibs_check_method='file_magic ELF [0-9][0-9]*-bit [LM]SB shared object' @@ -134,7 +178,7 @@ shlibpath_var=LD_LIBRARY_PATH case "$host_os" in freebsd2* | freebsd3.[01]* | freebsdelf3.[01]*) -@@ -2776,6 +2785,15 @@ +@@ -2776,6 +2815,15 @@ # Shell to use when invoking shell scripts. SHELL=$LTSHELL --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:25:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B225B37B71E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:25:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L0PCd42457; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:25:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:25:10 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Preliminary libtool patch Message-ID: <20010320162510.D42275@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010321005130.A64770@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010321005130.A64770@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:51:30AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 12:51:30AM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Here's a preliminary patch to support ccc in libtool (via our > devel/libtool port). Would you be willing to send this to the libtool authors? This should be folded into the official offering as AlphaLinux can experience the same problem. And we know how much more they care about Linux..... -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:43:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7538C37B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:43:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L0hZW42765 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:43:33 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: lang/compaq-cc fixes Message-ID: <20010320164333.A42511@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, I think I've fixed all the problems I know of. If people could try out the latest port, I'd appreciate it. If you have have ports/lang/compaq-cc Makefile # $FreeBSD: ports/lang/compaq-cc/Makefile,v 1.13 2001/03/21 00:41:03 obrien Exp $ you've got all the changes. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 16:56: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87D937B71F; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:55:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25415; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:55:19 +1100 (EDT) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37645) with ESMTP id <01K1GHJ7YSEOP0A31T@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:55:00 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2L0tAU65134; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:55:10 +1100 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:55:10 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: user process faulting on kernel address In-reply-to: <15026.37378.477855.889651@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 05:21:54PM -0500 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, jhb@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, jhb@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010321115509.R26138@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <15026.37378.477855.889651@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-Mar-16 17:21:54 -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >Note that it is an instruction fault (a2 == -1) and the faulting >address maps to the bottom of witness_exit: > >(kgdb) l *0xfffffc0000418be0 >0xfffffc0000418be0 is in witness_exit (../../kern/kern_mutex.c:1262). ... >The $ra looks reasonable, it is at least a userspace stack address. > >I think somebody saw this a while ago, but I cannot find their >message.. I've got very similar symptoms from ppp. Try looking for a thread 'ppp core-dumping in kernel space?' I first noticed it on 19 Feb <20010219074428.E70642@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> and posted a followup on 11 Mar <20010311133939.A26976@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au>. My guess is that there is a window between when the user registers are restored and the actual return to usermode during which t12 (at least) can get clobbered. I've occasionally seen odd behaviour in other processes which seems consistent with this behaviour. I haven't looked into it further (I'm not really sure where to start looking). Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 17:11: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from netau1.alcanet.com.au (ntp.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8597137B71F for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeremyp@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au) Received: from mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au (mfg1.cim.alcatel.com.au [139.188.23.1]) by netau1.alcanet.com.au (8.9.3 (PHNE_22672)/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27605; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:11:03 +1100 (EDT) Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au by cim.alcatel.com.au (PMDF V5.2-32 #37645) with ESMTP id <01K1GI3RX1XSP0A1YE@cim.alcatel.com.au>; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:10:48 +1100 Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2L1Avh65390; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:10:57 +1100 (EST envelope-from jeremyp) Content-return: prohibited Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:10:57 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool In-reply-to: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 09:27:36PM +0000 To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <20010321121057.S26138@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2001-Mar-20 21:27:36 +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: >1. Position-independent code? > >What's the situation regarding PIC on alpha? My impression from the Alpha documentation is that Alpha code is PIC by default, hence there's no explicit PIC option. >2. Detecting ccc? > >In order to properly patch libtool, I need to detect that the >compiler is ccc. I'd hate to do this by name only. Is there an >equivalent to gcc's __GNUC__ define? According the Compaq CC on Tru64, __DECC works. [BTW: gcc may be slow and generate bad code, but it provides a far more useful set of warnings than ccc]. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 18:14:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB6837B71D for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:14:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fY79-0006zJ-00; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:12:43 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L1uqU70380 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:56:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9991p4$24n3$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010320161950.A42275@dragon.nuxi.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > I'm writing this to background music played by a completely > > ccc-compiled Ogg Vorbis player... > > Put that binary up somewhere! :-) Actually, all you need to do is install a patched libtool and build the audio/vorbis meta port with CC=ccc. (Well, I have already applied PRs 25941 and 25942 here, but that shouldn't affect building with ccc.) Due to some braindead CFLAGS munging "-fast" doesn't get through; yet another patch to come. I intend to compare CPU usages between executables built with "ccc -fast" and gcc. Alas, vorbis encoding is broken on alpha in 1.0beta4. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 18:14:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76F6A37B723 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:14:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fY79-0006zJ-01; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:12:43 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L24IL71075 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:04:18 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Preliminary libtool patch Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <999271$24n3$2@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20010321005130.A64770@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010320162510.D42275@dragon.nuxi.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > Here's a preliminary patch to support ccc in libtool (via our > > devel/libtool port). > > Would you be willing to send this to the libtool authors? I'd really like this to see some more testing/review first. > This should be folded into the official offering as AlphaLinux > can experience the same problem. Absolutely. Notice that I already included Linux in that patch. ;-) > And we know how much more they care about Linux..... But surely not about heretics using a compiler other than holy GCC. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 18:21:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5A237B71B for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:21:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2L2IVN50103 for alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:18:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:18:31 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: New 4.3 beta ISO image Message-ID: <20010320181831.A50075@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I built a new 4.3-BETA release and have uploaded the ISO. Grab it at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/4.3-beta-20010319.iso This beta snapshot is believed to have the "going no where without my init" problem fixed. It also was built with ports and docs. Please test this if you can and report thumbs up or thumbs down to the freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list. I'll start the slow rdisting of the FTP version of the release and it should be up in several hours. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 20:34:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C9537B729 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:34:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00575; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:34:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2L4XcY47306; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:33:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15032.12065.981541.191663@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:33:37 -0500 (EST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool In-Reply-To: <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > > I think this should work for you. > > It would be quite cool if you could get imake (and, hence, XFree86) > building. I should have been more specific and mentioned that Imake does built, it just does not work properly. When I build imake with ccc, it pukes when parsing the follwing line of FreeBSD.cf: 422 #define IncludeMakefile(file) @@# dependencies are in .depend It tells me: ./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf -s xmakefile -DTOPDIR=. -DCURDIR=. In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:90, from Imakefile.c:9: config/cf/FreeBSD.cf:422: `#' operator should be followed by a macro argument name ./config/imake/imake: Exit code 1. Stop. *** Error code 1 If I "fix" this and delete this line, it goes on to puke a little later on the Imakefile: In file included from config/cf/Imake.tmpl:1727, from Imakefile.c:9: config/makedepend/Imakefile:48: unterminated string or character constant config/makedepend/Imakefile:21: possible real start of unterminated constant config/makedepend/Imakefile:19: unterminated `#if' conditional When imake is built with gcc, this does not happen. I've not had a chance to try it on a linux box for comparision. This is something of a show-stopper, since X insists on rebuilding imake at the drop of a hat. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Mar 20 22:27: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30B337B71A for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr05.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA12068; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:20:12 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAE0aWBx; Tue Mar 20 23:19:59 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr05.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA21641; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 23:26:43 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103210626.XAA21641@usr05.primenet.com> Subject: Re: ccc: netdb.h To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 06:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <998fb9$tsf$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> from "Christian Weisgerber" at Mar 20, 2001 08:42:17 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > ccc chokes on socklen_t. Hmm. > > Nailed it. > The private installed by the port hasn't kept up > with /usr/include/machine/ansi.h. This is so annoying. So is /usr/include/sys not being a symlink to /sys/sys... Why is it using /usr/include/machine/ansi.h instead of the correct ansi.h from /usr/src/sys/alpha/include/ansi.h in the first damn palce to compile the kernel code? Why doesn't the kernel know where it's own source code is? Why is it I have to SPAM things? How the heck am I supposed to cross-compile, without installing the wrong ansi.h header on my i386, or without having to build an entire system image? Ugh. SVR4 fixed this a long time ago. 8-( 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 3:48:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6DE37B732 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 03:48:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from [62.49.251.130] (helo=herring.nlsystems.com) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14fh4h-000Jp6-0Y; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:46:47 +0000 Received: from herring (herring [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2LBjW402720; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:45:32 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:45:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Doug Rabson To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool In-Reply-To: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > I'm writing this to background music played by a completely > ccc-compiled Ogg Vorbis player... > > 1. Position-independent code? > > What's the situation regarding PIC on alpha? libtool defaults to > building with -fPIC on FreeBSD. I haven't found any such option > in the ccc man page. libtool assumes that the native OSF/1 compiler > produces PIC code by default. I've extended this to ccc, and it > appears to work. As far as I know, all code is PIC on alpha. At least, gcc produces PIC code whether or not you tell it. -- Doug Rabson Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 5:20:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp [133.9.152.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C6E37B744; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fujimori@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp) Received: from grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (fujimori@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp (8.9.3/3.7W) with ESMTP id WAA12847; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:20:21 +0900 Message-Id: <200103211320.WAA12847@grafin.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> To: obrien@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LAM on linux emulator In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:55:22 PST." <20010319105522.A65605@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:20:21 +0000 From: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org LAM itself is almost written in C. It is one thing to compile it with compaq-cc. The main part of LAM consists of drivers, such as mpif77, mpicc, hf77, etc. In these drivers the location or file paths of Compaq's ccc/cxx/fort are hardcoded. recon/lamboot are just not-main commands, and I may not compile them with ccc, but building LAM package in one pass is simpler. When cxx and fort start speaking native FreeBSD, we do not need to worry much, though. Yoriaki Fujimori To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 5:36:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736D537B719 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:36:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14fiih-0000UK-00; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:32:11 +0100 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2LCTe000994 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:29:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: lang/compaq-cc fixes Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <99a6rk$kk$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20010320164333.A42511@dragon.nuxi.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > Ok, I think I've fixed all the problems I know of. Not a problem, but from comp.config I assume /usr/local/{include,lib} are part of the respective default search paths. Since they aren't for our system compiler, I don't see why they should be for ccc, purely consistency-wise. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 11:36:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2DD37B72D; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:36:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14foPF-0001zd-00; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:36:29 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2LJcxN01481; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:38:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:38:59 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New 4.3 beta ISO image Message-ID: <20010321203859.I608@freebie.demon.nl> References: <20010320181831.A50075@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010320181831.A50075@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@freebsd.org on Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:18:31PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 06:18:31PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > I built a new 4.3-BETA release and have uploaded the ISO. > > Grab it at > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/4.3-beta-20010319.iso > > This beta snapshot is believed to have the "going no where without my > init" problem fixed. It also was built with ports and docs. Please test > this if you can and report thumbs up or thumbs down to the > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list. Please make it a clear report, as I try to keep http://www.freebsd.org/~wilko which has the BETAtest status as close to reality as possible. In the meantime DS20 has been proven to work; Multia is in the finishing stages of installing. Keep them test reports coming. Thanks David! Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 11:36:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7CE37B71A for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:36:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14fo8g-0000nN-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:19:22 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2LJLrx01235 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:21:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:21:53 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: test report: DS20 on BETA20010319 is OK Message-ID: <20010321202153.A608@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Subject says it all I guess. No incidents, booted and installed from CD. Currently installing on Multia -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 11:52:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DB337B725 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:52:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14foec-00036C-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:52:22 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2LJsrG01785 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:54:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:54:53 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: 4.3-BETA-20010319 anomaly on Multia console Message-ID: <20010321205453.A1775@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just installed the 4.3BETA on my Multia without incidents. While doing a GENERIC kernel build I get on the (serial) console: ns/scvtb.c ../../dev/syscons/syscons.c ../../dev/syscons/sysmouse.c ../../isa/atkbd_isa.c ../../isa/atkbdc_isa.c ../../isa/fd.c ../../isa/ppc.c ../../isa/psm.c ../../isa/sio.c ../../isa/syscons_isa.c ../../isa/vga_isa.c ../../kern/subr_diskmbr.c ../../libkern/bcmp.c ../../libkern/ffs.c ioconf.c param.c vnode_if.c config.c ../../alpha/alpha/genassym.c Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: radix. Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: radix. Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: o.c . Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: o.c . Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: /ffs/f Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: /ffs/f Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: ./dev/ Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: ./dev/ Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: pha/de Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: pha/de Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: lsb/gb Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: lsb/gb Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: .c ../ Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: .c ../ Looks a bit silly, appears to be harmless otherwise. Ideas? W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 12: 9:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (quark.ele.etsmtl.ca [142.137.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B8637B742 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:09:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (station1 [142.137.19.101]) by quark.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA21933; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:13:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by station1.ele.etsmtl.ca (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA07028; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:13:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB8FD5D.A599EECD@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:13:33 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.7 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Vinum(8) Axp ioctl problems (was: Vinum(8) segfault on Alpha) References: <3AB2C01C.9080509@videotron.ca> <20010317123352.F89962@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB36445.1090505@videotron.ca> <20010318094057.L89962@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB4105A.2040902@videotron.ca> <20010318124905.C764@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB62F14.127C2E00@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010321074541.B31629@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Greg, It's ok, I understand oh too well. I don't have much time on my hands either. I will try to debug this to the best of my knowledge and I'll come back to you with what I can find. Thanks for the infos. Normand Leclerc lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca > > Sorry for the delay. I'm currently at a conference and have very > limited time. If you want to look at it yourself, check the ioctl > call that's being issued. The definitions are in > /usr/src/sys/dev/vinum/io.h. Check what the size should be; the > actual value of the userland call is reported in the console message. > The size of the buffer is in the ioctl command bits 29 to 16. > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 12:30:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D623937B735 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:30:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2LKRcG43158; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:27:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200103210626.XAA21641@usr05.primenet.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Terry Lambert Subject: Re: ccc: netdb.h Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, (Christian Weisgerber) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Mar-01 Terry Lambert wrote: >> > ccc chokes on socklen_t. Hmm. >> >> Nailed it. >> The private installed by the port hasn't kept up >> with /usr/include/machine/ansi.h. > > Why is it using /usr/include/machine/ansi.h instead of the correct > ansi.h from /usr/src/sys/alpha/include/ansi.h in the first damn > palce to compile the kernel code? Because we are using the non-system compiler which has its own tweaked header files. Duh. During a normal kernel build machine in the compile directory is symlinked to /sys/alpha/include, the problem is probably that ccc looks in its own private directory for header files before it searches any other directories, so it finds its internal machine/ansi.h before the one in the kenrel. /usr/include/machine/ansi.h is not used during the kernel build. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 14:49:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us (madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.26.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46FCF37B71A; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:49:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-alpha@boneyard.lawrence.ks.us) Received: from madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us (madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.26.25]) by madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2LMnPO12967; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:49:26 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bsd-alpha@boneyard.lawrence.ks.us) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:49:25 -0600 (CST) From: "Stephen D. Spencer" To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New 4.3 beta ISO image In-Reply-To: <20010320181831.A50075@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For anyone connected on an I2 node, you can connect to the following site to obtain the 4.3-beta ISO. ftp://marconi.eecs.ukans.edu/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/4.3-beta-20010319.iso Regards, Stephen -- Stephen Spencer UNIX Systems Administrator Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Dept. University of Kansas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Mar 21 19:22:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from neutrino.quantum.net (modemcable037.229-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.229.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6920437B71E for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:22:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@ele.etsmtl.ca) Received: from ele.etsmtl.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2M3MqZb018162; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:22:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AB9700B.7050903@ele.etsmtl.ca> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:22:51 -0500 From: Normand Leclerc Reply-To: lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vinum(8) segfault on alpha References: <3AB2C01C.9080509@videotron.ca> <20010317123352.F89962@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB36445.1090505@videotron.ca> <20010318094057.L89962@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB4105A.2040902@videotron.ca> <20010318124905.C764@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB62F14.127C2E00@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010321074541.B31629@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg, I found the ioctl that is causing the problem. It is this line from get_drive_info(...): if (ioctl(superdev, VINUM_DRIVECONFIG, drive) < 0) { The superdev passed to this function is 7. I don't know what this is... From vinum module, VINUM_SUPERDEV_TYPE is 4 ... While I don't know what I'm doing, I changed it for 4 and got an invalid memory address access... I looked at the drive structure, I see all zeros there and the state is unallocated. This generates an invalid ioctl from vinum with code 0xc1184642. This number is constant, I've never seen it change. Hope this gives you a clue... Normand Leclerc, lecn1306@ele.etsmtl.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 1:18:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E9F37B71F for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:18:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:18:28 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9A94@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'Wilko Bulte' Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: RE: 4.3-BETA-20010319 anomaly on Multia console Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:18:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Wilko, > > Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: .c ../ > > Looks a bit silly, appears to be harmless otherwise. > Have a look at the archives of -alpha, in particular a thread entitled "Syslog reports weird things". :-) Kees Jan ================================================ You are only young once, but you can stay immature all your life. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 5:28:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709B937B720 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:28:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14g58k-0001Hb-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:28:34 +0000 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Subject: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:28:34 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@wkb@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.71 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Please prove me wrong.. but in my experience Rawhide (AS4[10]00) is still broken in 4.3beta. At least as far as booting the CD goes: kgpsa1, hose 0, bus 0, slot 4 pks0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 5 mc0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 3 jumping to bootstrap code Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x4000200010115 OSF PAL rev: 0x4000200020117 Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 0.1 (jkh@beast.freebsd.org, Mon Mar 20 21:08:56 GMT 2000) Memory: 2097152 k > echo \007\007 > autoboot 10 Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel]... (and hangs here) I hope it is not the 2GB of memory biting me here. I cannot easily change that, and our other AS4100 is 5GB so that is even worse (as far as FreeBSD goes ;) Wilko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 7:18: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC7437B71A for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:17:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14617; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:17:59 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 2GB? well, all I have is 1.5.... but things should be okay for 2GB. On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 wkb@freebie.demon.nl wrote: > Please prove me wrong.. but in my experience Rawhide (AS4[10]00) is still > broken in 4.3beta. At least as far as booting the CD goes: > > kgpsa1, hose 0, bus 0, slot 4 > pks0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 5 > mc0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 3 > jumping to bootstrap code > Console: SRM firmware console > VMS PAL rev: 0x4000200010115 > OSF PAL rev: 0x4000200020117 > Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. > > FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 0.1 > (jkh@beast.freebsd.org, Mon Mar 20 21:08:56 GMT 2000) > Memory: 2097152 k > > echo \007\007 > > > autoboot 10 > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. > Booting [kernel]... > > (and hangs here) > > I hope it is not the 2GB of memory biting me here. I cannot easily change > that, and our other AS4100 is 5GB so that is even worse (as far as > FreeBSD goes ;) > > Wilko > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 7:18:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26CF37B71A for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02592; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2MFHtd54601; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.6051.101334.582868@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:17:55 -0500 (EST) To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > Please prove me wrong.. but in my experience Rawhide (AS4[10]00) is still > broken in 4.3beta. At least as far as booting the CD goes: > (and hangs here) > > I hope it is not the 2GB of memory biting me here. I cannot easily change > that, and our other AS4100 is 5GB so that is even worse (as far as > FreeBSD goes ;) > No, its not the memory. There's some problem with our bootloader that causes it to fail to load a kernel from slow media on Rawhides. The workaround is to dd the 2.88 MB floppy to a hard disk & boot from that. This will take a lot of time to fix, in addition to physical access to a rawhide & a good understanding of the boot loader. AFAIK, nobody has all three, so this remains broken. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 7:20:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF51537B719 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:20:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14g6tR-000BTv-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:20:53 +0000 To: mjacob@feral.com, wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:20:53 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@wkb@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.74 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org While we're at it: have there been any real changes for TurboLaser? I can give it a quick spin (need to reduce the 12Gb to something acceptable to FreeBSD first) but the last time I tried our specific config did not want to fly. Wilko > 2GB? well, all I have is 1.5.... but things should be okay for 2GB. > > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 wkb@freebie.demon.nl wrote: > > > Please prove me wrong.. but in my experience Rawhide (AS4[10]00) is still > > broken in 4.3beta. At least as far as booting the CD goes: > > > > kgpsa1, hose 0, bus 0, slot 4 > > pks0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 5 > > mc0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 3 > > jumping to bootstrap code > > Console: SRM firmware console > > VMS PAL rev: 0x4000200010115 > > OSF PAL rev: 0x4000200020117 > > Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. > > > > FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 0.1 > > (jkh@beast.freebsd.org, Mon Mar 20 21:08:56 GMT 2000) > > Memory: 2097152 k > > > echo \007\007 > > > > > autoboot 10 > > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. > > Booting [kernel]... > > > > (and hangs here) > > > > I hope it is not the 2GB of memory biting me here. I cannot easily change > > that, and our other AS4100 is 5GB so that is even worse (as far as > > FreeBSD goes ;) > > > > Wilko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 7:23:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D8237B71B for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:23:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14g6vo-000Blw-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:23:20 +0000 To: Andrew Gallatin , wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:23:20 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@wkb@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.74 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > Please prove me wrong.. but in my experience Rawhide (AS4[10]00) is still > > broken in 4.3beta. At least as far as booting the CD goes: > > > (and hangs here) > > > > I hope it is not the 2GB of memory biting me here. I cannot easily change > > that, and our other AS4100 is 5GB so that is even worse (as far as > > FreeBSD goes ;) > > > > No, its not the memory. There's some problem with our bootloader that > causes it to fail to load a kernel from slow media on Rawhides. The > workaround is to dd the 2.88 MB floppy to a hard disk & boot from > that. I was just hoping 4.3 mysteriously fixed this problem. It's been there for quite some time now. I will RELNOTE it > This will take a lot of time to fix, in addition to physical access to > a rawhide & a good understanding of the boot loader. AFAIK, nobody > has all three, so this remains broken. Seems like it yes Wilko (heading for the Lynx with a CD) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 7:25:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799C737B71D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:25:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA14699; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:25:39 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:25:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org No, I haven't gotten TL to work with -current recently. It still does work on -stable with < 2GB memory. On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 wkb@freebie.demon.nl wrote: > While we're at it: have there been any real changes for TurboLaser? > I can give it a quick spin (need to reduce the 12Gb to something > acceptable to FreeBSD first) but the last time I tried our specific > config did not want to fly. > > Wilko > > > > 2GB? well, all I have is 1.5.... but things should be okay for 2GB. > > > > > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 wkb@freebie.demon.nl wrote: > > > > > Please prove me wrong.. but in my experience Rawhide (AS4[10]00) is still > > > broken in 4.3beta. At least as far as booting the CD goes: > > > > > > kgpsa1, hose 0, bus 0, slot 4 > > > pks0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 5 > > > mc0, hose 0, bus 0, slot 3 > > > jumping to bootstrap code > > > Console: SRM firmware console > > > VMS PAL rev: 0x4000200010115 > > > OSF PAL rev: 0x4000200020117 > > > Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. > > > > > > FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 0.1 > > > (jkh@beast.freebsd.org, Mon Mar 20 21:08:56 GMT 2000) > > > Memory: 2097152 k > > > > echo \007\007 > > > > > > > autoboot 10 > > > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. > > > Booting [kernel]... > > > > > > (and hangs here) > > > > > > I hope it is not the 2GB of memory biting me here. I cannot easily change > > > that, and our other AS4100 is 5GB so that is even worse (as far as > > > FreeBSD goes ;) > > > > > > Wilko > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 7:26:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAA2837B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:26:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02766; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:26:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2MFQ2o54628; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:26:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.6537.992030.443414@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:26:01 -0500 (EST) To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > I was just hoping 4.3 mysteriously fixed this problem. It's been there > for quite some time now. > I think that if it ever gets fixed, there will be a lot of rejoicing & it will be hard to miss. Like there was when the "going nowhere with my init" problem was finally fixed. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 8:36: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C034937B720 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:36:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14g849-0003mo-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:36:01 +0000 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Subject: 4.3beta status report Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:36:01 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@wkb@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.73 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just completed a successful installation on an AS1000A 5/400 machine. Booted from CD, works just fine. DS20 completed it's buildworld, no incidents. Both machines have the same weird spurious console junk I reported earlier for Multia. I'm currently building a Mylex 960 RAID5set on the Lynx to install onto. A quick boot of the 4.3beta cd on Lynx appeared to work fine. Sofar things look happy to me Wilko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 8:48: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EEB37B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:48:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05022; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:48:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2MGlZL54803; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:47:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:47:35 -0500 (EST) To: wkb@freebie.demon.nl Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > Both machines have the same weird spurious console junk I reported > earlier for Multia. What do their /etc/ttys look like? Try removing the getty on /dev/console and running the getty on the real console device /dev/ttyd0 (serial) or /dev/ttyv0 (graphics). Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 11:11:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EA837B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14gAUR-0000hS-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:11:19 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2MJDqs01272; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:13:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:13:52 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report Message-ID: <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:47:35AM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:47:35AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > > > Both machines have the same weird spurious console junk I reported > > earlier for Multia. > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. > Try removing the getty on /dev/console and running the getty > on the real console device /dev/ttyd0 (serial) or /dev/ttyv0 > (graphics). Does not appear to make a difference as far as I can see. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 11:21:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B7C37B719 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:21:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08946; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2MJLL255244; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:21:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:21:21 -0500 (EST) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report In-Reply-To: <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:47:35AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > > > > > Both machines have the same weird spurious console junk I reported > > > earlier for Multia. > > > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? > > Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. I thought David was going to change this. > > Try removing the getty on /dev/console and running the getty > > on the real console device /dev/ttyd0 (serial) or /dev/ttyv0 > > (graphics). > > Does not appear to make a difference as far as I can see. It seems to for everybody else. Did you HUP init? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 11:42:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D286637B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MJfv089403; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Cc: wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: <15034.6537.992030.443414@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <15034.6537.992030.443414@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010322114157I.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:41:57 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 19 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think that if it ever gets fixed, there will be a lot of rejoicing & > it will be hard to miss. Like there was when the "going nowhere with > my init" problem was finally fixed. Erm, just so this rumor doesn't spread too far, as the guy who "fixed" that problem let me just say right now that it was never fixed, it was simply papered over. :) What now happens is that libdisk(3) simply whines rather than failing where it used to, and the things it failed over were pretty severe like allocations failing or very unexpected events. This means that sysinstall on the alpha will see libdisk return now with data which isn't strictly guaranteed to be valid in some cases, such as the one which caused the "going nowhere" problem in the first place. Whether this will constitute a real problem or not remains to be seen. In the meantime, please keep an eye on your debugging screens (VTY2) and let me know if anything new and interesting shows up. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 11:47:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6DA37B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:47:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15810; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:47:02 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: <20010322114157I.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I think that if it ever gets fixed, there will be a lot of rejoicing & > > it will be hard to miss. Like there was when the "going nowhere with > > my init" problem was finally fixed. > > Erm, just so this rumor doesn't spread too far, as the guy who "fixed" > that problem let me just say right now that it was never fixed, it was > simply papered over. :) > > What now happens is that libdisk(3) simply whines rather than failing > where it used to, and the things it failed over were pretty severe > like allocations failing or very unexpected events. This means that > sysinstall on the alpha will see libdisk return now with data which > isn't strictly guaranteed to be valid in some cases, such as the one > which caused the "going nowhere" problem in the first place. Whether > this will constitute a real problem or not remains to be seen. In the > meantime, please keep an eye on your debugging screens (VTY2) and let > me know if anything new and interesting shows up. :) Cool. For a serial install, where's vty2? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 12:17: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC94D37B71A for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:17:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14gBVz-0008Nw-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:16:59 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2MK9hX01876 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:09:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:09:43 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Plip?? Message-ID: <20010322210943.A1866@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I see this: ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3bf irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode plip0: cannot reserve interrupt, failed. on every Alpha model I can put my hands on. This has been the case as long as I can remember. I guess this means plip is not being used by anybody. And is therefore an axe-candidate on Alpha GENERIC. And (I would have to check if it is in there) the install floppy/CD kernels as well? Comments? W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 12:17:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684AA37B71B for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:17:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14gBW0-0008Nw-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:17:00 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2MKESj01897; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:14:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:14:28 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report Message-ID: <20010322211428.A1883@freebie.demon.nl> References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:47:35AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > > > > > > > Both machines have the same weird spurious console junk I reported > > > > earlier for Multia. > > > > > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? > > > > Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. > > I thought David was going to change this. On the 20010319BETA I have: # If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root password # when going to single-user mode. # console "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure # Virtual terminals ttyv1 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv2 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv3 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv4 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv5 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv6 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv7 "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure ttyv8 "/usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon" xterm off secure # Serial terminals # The 'dialup' keyword identifies dialin lines to login, fingerd etc. ttyd0 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" dialup off secure ttyd1 "/usr/libexec/getty std.9600" dialup off secure Maybe it has been changed in the meantime? > > > Try removing the getty on /dev/console and running the getty > > > on the real console device /dev/ttyd0 (serial) or /dev/ttyv0 > > > (graphics). > > > > Does not appear to make a difference as far as I can see. > > It seems to for everybody else. Did you HUP init? I HUPed yep. But I will retry on my home-Miata as I could only very briefly test it at work on the DS20. Stay tuned. W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 12:24:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D40037B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:24:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MKOO089744; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: References: <20010322114157I.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010322122424J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:24:24 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Cool. For a serial install, where's vty2? The only place it can be - /dev/console. This does intermingle the output of it and the dialogs somewhat. :( - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 12:26:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3DA37B71B for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:26:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from zeppo.feral.com (IDENT:mjacob@zeppo [192.67.166.71]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA16105; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:26:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:26:08 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: gallatin@cs.duke.edu, wkb@freebie.demon.nl, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rawhide still broken on 4.3beta In-Reply-To: <20010322122424J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Cool. For a serial install, where's vty2? > > The only place it can be - /dev/console. This does intermingle the > output of it and the dialogs somewhat. :( Yes, actually, sorry....I knew that... What should be okay now is that we'll see a spurt of the disk slice messages, and instead of a halt, the last message *should* be why libdisk urped-better than a reboot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 13:13:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33AD337B71B for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:13:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14gCOk-000Cla-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:13:34 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2MLG7602795; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:16:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:16:07 +0100 From: "'Wilko Bulte'" To: "Koster, K.J." Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA-20010319 anomaly on Multia console Message-ID: <20010322221607.C2693@freebie.demon.nl> References: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9A94@l04.research.kpn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9A94@l04.research.kpn.com>; from K.J.Koster@kpn.com on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:18:22AM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:18:22AM +0100, Koster, K.J. wrote: > Dear Wilko, > > > > > Mar 21 18:49:50 multia1 /kernel: .c ../ > > > > Looks a bit silly, appears to be harmless otherwise. > > > Have a look at the archives of -alpha, in particular a thread entitled > "Syslog reports weird things". :-) Following Drew's suggestion appears to have fixed it for me. Fix: 'off' /dev/console getty in /etc/ttys and 'on' /dev/ttyd0 getty I'm using a serial console BTW. W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 13:19:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A7337B725 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:19:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 14gCUl-0004ZB-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:19:48 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2MLMLS02921; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:22:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 22:22:21 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report Message-ID: <20010322222221.A2907@freebie.demon.nl> References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 11:47:35AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > wkb@freebie.demon.nl writes: > > > > > > > > Both machines have the same weird spurious console junk I reported > > > > earlier for Multia. > > > > > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? > > > > Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. > > I thought David was going to change this. > > > > Try removing the getty on /dev/console and running the getty > > > on the real console device /dev/ttyd0 (serial) or /dev/ttyv0 > > > (graphics). > > > > Does not appear to make a difference as far as I can see. > > It seems to for everybody else. Did you HUP init? Must have been finger trouble on the machine at work. I just tested my home Miata and Multia and it seems fixed using your change to /etc/ttys W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 13:35: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.interchange.ca (ns.interchange.ca [216.126.79.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B519237B71E for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:34:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@fastmail.ca) Received: by mail.interchange.ca (Fastmailer, from userid 555) id E04E720A0; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3ABA6FE4.0000A3.81751@frodo.searchcanada.ca> Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_GXBMMR371OVNTT4D7TH0" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha Shell needed From: "Michael Richards" X-Fastmail-IP: 24.43.130.237 Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:34:28 -0500 (EST) Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------Boundary-00=_GXBMMR371OVNTT4D7TH0 Content-Type: Text/Plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone. I'm still unable to get my AS1200 to boot using the boot loader. I thought it was the hardware, but I got RedHat to work. I'd like to spend some time trying to debug the loader. Does anyone have a shell they can donate so I can insert some debugging into the loader and try to narrow down why it is not working? If so, please email me privately. michael@fastmail.ca -Michael _________________________________________________________________ http://fastmail.ca/ - Fast Free Web Email for Canadians --------------Boundary-00=_GXBMMR371OVNTT4D7TH0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 14:19:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08D537B71D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2MMIsU46668; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:18:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:18:53 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Plip?? Message-ID: <20010322141853.A46571@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010322210943.A1866@freebie.demon.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010322210943.A1866@freebie.demon.nl>; from wkb@freebie.demon.nl on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:09:43PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:09:43PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > And (I would have to check if it is in there) the install floppy/CD kernels > as well? It isn't in there. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 14:23:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A18037B71C for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:23:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2MMN3M46757; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:23:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:23:03 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report Message-ID: <20010322142303.B46571@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? > > Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. > I thought David was going to change this. Needed 2nd approval from JKH since we past the 20th. Question, why is all of a sudden a problem now, and it wasn't in 4.2? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 14:34:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302AF37B718; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:34:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA13195; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2MMXtW55769; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:33:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.32210.922514.879843@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:33:54 -0500 (EST) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report In-Reply-To: <20010322142303.B46571@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322142303.B46571@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? > > > Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. > > I thought David was going to change this. > > Needed 2nd approval from JKH since we past the 20th. > > Question, why is all of a sudden a problem now, and it wasn't in 4.2? It was a problem in 4.2 apparently. Just not in 4.1 or prior. I had a hard time beleiving it existed since I never run with a getty on /dev/console.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 14:41:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D11737B719 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MMcxs02824; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:38:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103222238.f2MMcxs02824@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:33:54 EST." <15034.32210.922514.879843@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:38:58 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Question, why is all of a sudden a problem now, and it wasn't in 4.2? > > It was a problem in 4.2 apparently. Just not in 4.1 or prior. > I had a hard time beleiving it existed since I never run with a getty > on /dev/console.. We did a run around this in 4.0 or so; I can't believe that someone tried to put a getty on /dev/console *again*. What was discussed before was fixing sysinstall to enable a getty on /dev/ttyd0 *if* the install was being done on a serial console; this is the only sane way to go about it. Putting a getty on /dev/console screws up all sorts of things; most especially, non-serial-console installs and X. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 15:12:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F33937B718; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:12:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2MNCd647533; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:12:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:12:39 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report Message-ID: <20010322151238.A47464@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <15034.32210.922514.879843@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <200103222238.f2MMcxs02824@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103222238.f2MMcxs02824@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@freebsd.org on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:38:58PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:38:58PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > What was discussed before was fixing sysinstall to enable a getty on Discussed, but no patches formed. :-) > /dev/ttyd0 *if* the install was being done on a serial console; this is > the only sane way to go about it. Personally I don't find that very satisfying. With Solaris and NetBSD/sparc, I can do a graphical install, remove the graphics hardware (ie, keyboard) and use serial console. Everything just works. The scheme proposed is limited. 4.3 will ship with a getty always on ttyd0. (yes, I know there is a small security issue to this) -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 15:16:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56D837B719; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:16:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #4) id 14gEJt-000L0x-00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:16:41 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f2MNJFQ03786; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:19:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:19:15 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3beta status report Message-ID: <20010323001915.A3568@freebie.demon.nl> References: <15034.11431.694653.198038@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322201352.A603@freebie.demon.nl> <15034.20657.60580.773706@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010322142303.B46571@dragon.nuxi.com> <15034.32210.922514.879843@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <15034.32210.922514.879843@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 05:33:54PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-BETA X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 05:33:54PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:21:21PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > What do their /etc/ttys look like? > > > > Default install, no manual changes. This means a getty on /dev/console. > > > I thought David was going to change this. > > > > Needed 2nd approval from JKH since we past the 20th. > > > > Question, why is all of a sudden a problem now, and it wasn't in 4.2? I don't recall having seen it in 4.2 but that could be selective vision on my part. > It was a problem in 4.2 apparently. Just not in 4.1 or prior. > I had a hard time beleiving it existed since I never run with a getty > on /dev/console.. > > Drew ---end of quoted text--- -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 18:57:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC7B37B71D for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:57:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16938; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2N2uvB57216; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:56:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15034.47993.790551.406568@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:56:57 -0500 (EST) To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool In-Reply-To: <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > > It would be quite cool if you could get imake (and, hence, XFree86) > building. FWIW, to get imake working you need this patch: --- imakemdep.h.orig Wed Nov 29 11:33:50 2000 +++ imakemdep.h Thu Mar 22 21:50:59 2001 @@ -367,6 +367,9 @@ # ifdef __GNUC__ "-traditional", # endif +# ifdef __DECC + "-traditional", +# endif #endif #ifdef M4330 "-DM4330", /* Tektronix */ X is starting to build, but its time for the Duke/UCLA game, so no more time to work on this tonight.... Drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andrew Gallatin, Sr Systems Programmer http://www.cs.duke.edu/~gallatin Duke University Email: gallatin@cs.duke.edu Department of Computer Science Phone: (919) 660-6590 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Mar 22 20:30:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D3D37B71F for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:30:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 14gJDo-0006X9-00; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:30:44 +0100 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2N3YRG81149; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:34:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from naddy) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 04:34:27 +0100 From: Christian Weisgerber To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool Message-ID: <20010323043427.A81089@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15034.47993.790551.406568@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15034.47993.790551.406568@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 09:56:57PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin: > FWIW, to get imake working you need this patch: > +# ifdef __DECC > + "-traditional", > +# endif This should probably be "-std0". -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 0:52:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bom2.vsnl.net.in (bom2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F66637B719; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:51:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toner1@asianwired.net) Received: from 202.54.1.1 (rsvp-208-187-151-175.ac05.dlls.eli.net [208.187.151.175]) by bom2.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with SMTP id 9D88C104DC; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:19:38 +0530 (GMT+5:30) To: customer@republic.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 01 03:22:20 EST From: toner1@asianwired.net Subject: toner supplies Message-Id: <20010323084939.9D88C104DC@bom2.vsnl.net.in> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PLEASE FORWARD TO THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR PURCHASING YOUR LASER PRINTER SUPPLIES **** VORTEX SUPPLIES **** -SPECIALS OF THE DAY ON LASER TONER SUPPLIES AT DISCOUNT PRICES-- LASER PRINTER TONER CARTRIDGES COPIER AND FAX CARTRIDGES WE ARE -->THE<-- PLACE TO BUY YOUR TONER CARTRIDGES BECAUSE YOU SAVE UP TO 30% FROM OFFICE DEPOT'S, QUILL'S OR OFFICE MAX'S EVERY DAY LOW PRICES ORDER BY PHONE:1-888-288-9043 ORDER BY FAX: 1-888-977-1577 CUSTOMER SERVICE: 1-888-248-2015 E-MAIL REMOVAL LINE: 1-888-248-4930 UNIVERSITY AND/OR SCHOOL PURCHASE ORDERS WELCOME. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 5:49:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602E737B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23738; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:49:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2NDnBc58418; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:49:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15035.21591.774448.336069@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:49:11 -0500 (EST) To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ccc vs. libtool In-Reply-To: <20010323043427.A81089@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <998i08$voq$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <15031.52686.93569.682683@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15034.47993.790551.406568@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010323043427.A81089@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christian Weisgerber writes: > Andrew Gallatin: > > > FWIW, to get imake working you need this patch: > > > +# ifdef __DECC > > + "-traditional", > > +# endif > > This should probably be "-std0". One would think so. However, this is actually an argument it uses when it invokes "cpp" (cc -E on FreeBSD) to preprocess Imakefiles. Since it is calling cc, it should use cc's syntax.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 6:27:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us (madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.26.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A799B37B71E for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:27:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-alpha@boneyard.lawrence.ks.us) Received: from madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us (madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.26.25]) by madeline.boneyard.lawrence.ks.us (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2NER0O20100; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:27:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from bsd-alpha@boneyard.lawrence.ks.us) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:26:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Stephen D. Spencer" To: Michael Richards Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Alpha Shell needed In-Reply-To: <3ABA6FE4.0000A3.81751@frodo.searchcanada.ca> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Michael Richards wrote: > > I'm still unable to get my AS1200 to boot using the boot loader. I > thought it was the hardware, but I got RedHat to work. I'd like to > spend some time trying to debug the loader. Does anyone have a shell > they can donate so I can insert some debugging into the loader and > try to narrow down why it is not working? If so, please email me > privately. > Don't know if anyone has gotten back to you on this, but if you want to email your ssh key to me, I will drop it on one of our test machines here (DS10/466). -- Stephen Spencer UNIX Systems Administrator Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Dept. University of Kansas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 18:35:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349A937B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:35:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.229.37]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAOKHW03.JDV; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:34:44 -0500 Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2O2Z6mD022517; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:35:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ABC07DA.2070804@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:35:06 -0500 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Vinum(8) segfault on alpha - DEV_T SIZE PROBLEM!!! References: <3AB2C01C.9080509@videotron.ca> <20010317123352.F89962@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB36445.1090505@videotron.ca> <20010318094057.L89962@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB4105A.2040902@videotron.ca> <20010318124905.C764@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3AB62F14.127C2E00@ele.etsmtl.ca> <20010321074541.B31629@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I found the problem. There is a size mismatch between dev_t from kernel and dev_t from standard libraries. I let vinum print out sizes of drive structure, got 120 from module and 118 from vinum. I then printed out the only thing that I could find that could be generic: dev_t structure. The size of dev_t from module is 8 but from vinum is 4. Types defines dev_t as an int of 32 bits for non alpha BUT as a pointer for alpha (64 bits)... Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 18:37:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9F7837B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:37:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.229.37]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAOKLV05.1BS; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:37:07 -0500 Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2O2bUmD022521; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:37:30 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ABC086A.8080509@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:37:30 -0500 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DEV_T size mismatch Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --The size of dev_t from module is 8 but from vinum is 4. Types defines dev_t as an int of 32 bits for --non alpha BUT as a pointer for alpha (64 bits)... Awh, sorry, that was as a pointer of 32bits for non alpha! Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 18:57: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC42D37B71B for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.229.37]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAOLIF03.HFZ for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:56:39 -0500 Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2O2v2mD022538 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:57:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ABC0CFE.4010707@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:57:02 -0500 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I found a problem with dev_t. The kernel uses a dev_t as a pointer and userland uses it as an integer. What should I do: change userland to 64 bits and rebuild world? Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 19: 8:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2264737B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:08:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr07.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA26770; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:02:45 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr07.primenet.com(206.165.6.207) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA16aWe0; Fri Mar 23 20:02:29 2001 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr07.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21273; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:08:06 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200103240308.UAA21273@usr07.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Vinum(8) segfault on alpha - DEV_T SIZE PROBLEM!!! To: leclercn@videotron.ca Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 03:06:44 +0000 (GMT) Cc: grog@lemis.com (Greg Lehey), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3ABC07DA.2070804@videotron.ca> from "tcn" at Mar 23, 2001 09:35:06 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think I found the problem. There is a size mismatch between > dev_t from kernel and dev_t from standard libraries. I let vinum print > out sizes of drive structure, got 120 from module and 118 from vinum. I > then printed out the only thing that I could find that could be generic: > dev_t structure. > > The size of dev_t from module is 8 but from vinum is 4. Types > defines dev_t as an int of 32 bits for non alpha BUT as a pointer for > alpha (64 bits)... #pragma pack(1). Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 19:50:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EE837B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:50:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA09963; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2O3oDf59665; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:50:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15036.6517.17480.370998@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:50:13 -0500 (EST) To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland In-Reply-To: <3ABC0CFE.4010707@videotron.ca> References: <3ABC0CFE.4010707@videotron.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tcn writes: > Hi, > > I found a problem with dev_t. The kernel uses a dev_t as a pointer > and userland uses it as an integer. What should I do: change userland > to 64 bits and rebuild world? Sort of. Try changing it to a uintptr_t (64-bits on alpha, 32 on i386). Before rebuilding world, I'd try just vinum.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 19:52:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F212137B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:52:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.229.37]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAOO3S00.6FY; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:52:40 -0500 Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2O3r4mD022673; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:53:04 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ABC1A20.7060701@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:53:04 -0500 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: leclercn@videotron.ca, Greg Lehey , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Vinum(8) segfault on alpha - DEV_T SIZE PROBLEM!!! References: <200103240308.UAA21273@usr07.primenet.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070800070702060003020402" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------070800070702060003020402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nope, got an unaligned access (panic trap) using this. It's really a size mismatch! Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca Terry Lambert wrote: >> I think I found the problem. There is a size mismatch between >> dev_t from kernel and dev_t from standard libraries. I let vinum print >> out sizes of drive structure, got 120 from module and 118 from vinum. I >> then printed out the only thing that I could find that could be generic: >> dev_t structure. >> >> The size of dev_t from module is 8 but from vinum is 4. Types >> defines dev_t as an int of 32 bits for non alpha BUT as a pointer for >> alpha (64 bits)... > > > #pragma pack(1). > > > Terry Lambert > terry@lambert.org > --- > Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present > or previous employers. --------------070800070702060003020402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Nope, got an unaligned access (panic trap) using this.  It's really a size mismatch!

Normand Leclerc
leclercn@videotron.ca


Terry Lambert wrote:
     I think I found the problem.  There is a size mismatch between 
dev_t from kernel and dev_t from standard libraries.  I let vinum print 
out sizes of drive structure, got 120 from module and 118 from vinum.  I 
then printed out the only thing that I could find that could be generic: 
dev_t structure.

   The size of dev_t from module is 8 but from vinum is 4.  Types 
defines dev_t as an int of 32 bits for non alpha BUT as a pointer for 
alpha (64 bits)...

#pragma pack(1).


					Terry Lambert
					terry@lambert.org
---
Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present
or previous employers.

--------------070800070702060003020402-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 20: 4:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A9B37B718 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:04:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.229.37]) by VL-MS-MR002.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAOOO705.2GI; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:04:55 -0500 Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2O45ImD022708; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:05:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ABC1CFE.8070000@videotron.ca> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:05:18 -0500 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: leclercn@videotron.ca, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland References: <3ABC0CFE.4010707@videotron.ca> <15036.6517.17480.370998@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to u_int64_t. I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner). Hope this gets fixed! Normand Leclerc leclercn@videotron.ca Andrew Gallatin wrote: > tcn writes: > > Hi, > > > > I found a problem with dev_t. The kernel uses a dev_t as a pointer > > and userland uses it as an integer. What should I do: change userland > > to 64 bits and rebuild world? > > Sort of. Try changing it to a uintptr_t (64-bits on alpha, 32 on > i386). > > Before rebuilding world, I'd try just vinum.. > > Drew > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 20: 7:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C2437B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA10187; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f2O47AZ59686; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:07:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15036.7534.904068.120454@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:07:10 -0500 (EST) To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland In-Reply-To: <3ABC1CFE.8070000@videotron.ca> References: <3ABC0CFE.4010707@videotron.ca> <15036.6517.17480.370998@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3ABC1CFE.8070000@videotron.ca> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tcn writes: > Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to > u_int64_t. I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner). Hope this gets > fixed! > It sounds as though you just fixed it. ;-) Send a patch attached to a PR to make sure that it doesn't get lost. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 20:50: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DF537B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:50:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2O4o1c84147; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:50:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F52E37B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:49:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2O4nQF84123; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:49:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200103240449.f2O4nQF84123@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:49:26 -0800 (PST) From: leclercn@videotron.ca To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: alpha/26042: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel / userland Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26042 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel / userland >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Mar 23 20:50:00 PST 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Normand Leclerc >Release: 4.2 stable cvsed 23rd March >Organization: >Environment: FreeBSD atom.quanta.ca 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #3: Fri Mar 23 22:41:15 EST 2001 root@atom.quanta.ca:/usr/src/sys/compile/ATOM alpha >Description: I Had problems with vinum. While debugging, I found that the disk structure of vinum had a size mismatch between kernel module and userland. I investigated and found that dev_t is a 64bits in kernel but 32 bits in userland. (/usr/src/sys/sys/types.h). Once dev_t is converted to 64 bits for userland, vinum works perfectly. This will affect more than just vinum. >How-To-Repeat: On an Alpha machine, vinum can't print configuration when one exists. When vinum attempts to create a configuration, it will fail. >Fix: In /usr/src/sys/sys/types.h, I changed the line typedef u_int32_t dev_t; /* device number */ to #ifdef __alpha__ typedef u_int64_t dev_t; /* device number */ #else typedef u_int32_t dev_t; /* device number */ #endif >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 21:11:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E7437B719; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:11:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2O59L900618; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:09:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103240509.f2O59L900618@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: grog@freebsd.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:05:18 EST." <3ABC1CFE.8070000@videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:09:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to > u_int64_t. I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner). Hope this gets > fixed! This is wrong. In the kernel or in a module, dev_t is an opaque type. In userspace, you use udev_t, not dev_t. It sounds like vinum is failing to perform the required conversions when exchanging a dev_t with userland, and the correct fix is going to be to add these. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 21:20:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5D037B718 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2O5K2T88210; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:20:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103240520.f2O5K2T88210@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: John Baldwin Subject: RE: alpha/26042: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel Reply-To: John Baldwin Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/26042; it has been noted by GNATS. From: John Baldwin To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, phk@FreeBSD.org Subject: RE: alpha/26042: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:16:38 -0800 (PST) On 24-Mar-01 leclercn@videotron.ca wrote: > >>Number: 26042 >>Category: alpha >>Synopsis: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel / userland >>Confidential: no >>Severity: serious >>Priority: medium >>Responsible: freebsd-alpha >>State: open >>Quarter: >>Keywords: >>Date-Required: >>Class: sw-bug >>Submitter-Id: current-users >>Arrival-Date: Fri Mar 23 20:50:00 PST 2001 >>Closed-Date: >>Last-Modified: >>Originator: Normand Leclerc >>Release: 4.2 stable cvsed 23rd March >>Organization: >>Environment: > FreeBSD atom.quanta.ca 4.3-RC FreeBSD 4.3-RC #3: Fri Mar 23 22:41:15 EST 2001 > root@atom.quanta.ca:/usr/src/sys/compile/ATOM alpha >>Description: > I Had problems with vinum. While debugging, I found that the disk > structure of vinum had a size mismatch between kernel module and userland. I > investigated and found that dev_t is a 64bits in kernel but 32 bits in > userland. (/usr/src/sys/sys/types.h). > > Once dev_t is converted to 64 bits for userland, vinum works perfectly. > This will affect more than just vinum. >>How-To-Repeat: > On an Alpha machine, vinum can't print configuration when one exists. When > vinum attempts to create a configuration, it will fail. >>Fix: > In /usr/src/sys/sys/types.h, I changed the line > > typedef u_int32_t dev_t; /* device number */ > > to > >#ifdef __alpha__ > typedef u_int64_t dev_t; /* device number */ >#else > typedef u_int32_t dev_t; /* device number */ >#endif Like Drew mentioned, it should be uintptr_t, but I'm curious how dev_t's could have ever worked on the alpha? Unless this is the user dev_t and thus shouldn't need changing? Poul? Is vinum not using udev2dev(), etc. properly or something? Hmm, that seems somewhat likely actually. Vinum should be using what is a udev_t in the kernel whenever it exports data to userland. dev_t in the kernel is a pointer: #ifdef _KERNEL typedef u_int32_t udev_t; /* device number */ typedef struct specinfo *dev_t; #else /* !_KERNEL */ typedef u_int32_t dev_t; /* device number */ #define udev_t dev_t #endif However, dev_t in userland == udev_t in the kernel, and they are both the same type, so if vinum is properly handling kernel -> userland transitions this shouldn't be a problem. This sounds more like a bug in vinum. I'm sure Poul will correct me if I'm wrong. :) (And it's probably a bug in the kernel side of vinum rather than the user side.) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 21:45:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2686A37B71A; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:45:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2O5j1G37048; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:45:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200103240509.f2O59L900618@mass.dis.org> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:45:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, grog@FreeBSD.org, leclercn@videotron.ca Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 24-Mar-01 Mike Smith wrote: >> Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to >> u_int64_t. I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner). Hope this gets >> fixed! > > This is wrong. In the kernel or in a module, dev_t is an opaque type. > In userspace, you use udev_t, not dev_t. > > It sounds like vinum is failing to perform the required conversions when > exchanging a dev_t with userland, and the correct fix is going to be to > add these. struct drive, struct plex, etc. are shared between userland and the kernel. It looks like they need to use a udev_t, and the kernel will always have to do udev2dev() before using them. Either that or don't export the structures to userland. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Mar 23 21:50:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F3837B71B; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:49:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2O5n6G37143; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:49:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_=XFMail.1.4.0.FreeBSD:010323214914:1177=_" In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland Cc: leclercn@videotron.ca, grog@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format --_=XFMail.1.4.0.FreeBSD:010323214914:1177=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 24-Mar-01 John Baldwin wrote: > > On 24-Mar-01 Mike Smith wrote: >>> Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to >>> u_int64_t. I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner). Hope this gets >>> fixed! >> >> This is wrong. In the kernel or in a module, dev_t is an opaque type. >> In userspace, you use udev_t, not dev_t. >> >> It sounds like vinum is failing to perform the required conversions when >> exchanging a dev_t with userland, and the correct fix is going to be to >> add these. > > struct drive, struct plex, etc. are shared between userland and the kernel. > It > looks like they need to use a udev_t, and the kernel will always have to do > udev2dev() before using them. Either that or don't export the structures to > userland. Here is an untested patch to change all the data structures vinum exports to userland to use udev_t's instead of dev_t's. It's not necessarily optimal, as udev2dev() can be somewhat expensive I think, but fixing that would mean not exporting private kernel structs to userland like is done now. This patch can be had from http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/vinum.udev.patch as well. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ --_=XFMail.1.4.0.FreeBSD:010323214914:1177=_ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vinum.udev.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=vinum.udev.patch; SizeOnDisk=10206 Index: vinumconfig.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/dev/vinum/vinumconfig.c,v retrieving revision 1.40 diff -u -r1.40 vinumconfig.c --- vinumconfig.c 2001/02/20 12:14:01 1.40 +++ vinumconfig.c 2001/03/24 05:37:49 @@ -734,7 +734,7 @@ sd->sectors); if (sd->plexno >= 0) PLEX[sd->plexno].subdisks--; /* one less subdisk */ - destroy_dev(sd->dev); + destroy_dev(udev2dev(sd->dev, 0)); bzero(sd, sizeof(struct sd)); /* and clear it out */ sd->state = sd_unallocated; vinum_conf.subdisks_used--; /* one less sd */ @@ -812,7 +812,7 @@ Free(plex->sdnos); if (plex->lock) Free(plex->lock); - destroy_dev(plex->dev); + destroy_dev(udev2dev(plex->dev, 0)); bzero(plex, sizeof(struct plex)); /* and clear it out */ plex->state = plex_unallocated; } @@ -883,7 +883,7 @@ struct volume *vol; vol = &VOL[volno]; - destroy_dev(vol->dev); + destroy_dev(udev2dev(vol->dev, 0)); bzero(vol, sizeof(struct volume)); /* and clear it out */ vol->state = volume_unallocated; } @@ -1223,8 +1223,8 @@ if (sd->sectors < 0) throw_rude_remark(EINVAL, "sd %s has no length spec", sd->name); - sd->dev = make_dev(&vinum_cdevsw, VINUMRMINOR(VINUM_SD_TYPE, sdno), - UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR, "vinum/sd/%s", sd->name); + sd->dev = dev2udev(make_dev(&vinum_cdevsw, VINUMRMINOR(VINUM_SD_TYPE, sdno) , + UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR, "vinum/sd/%s", sd->name)); if (state != sd_unallocated) /* we had a specific state to set */ sd->state = state; /* do it now */ else if (sd->state == sd_unallocated) /* no, nothing set yet, */ @@ -1382,8 +1382,8 @@ if (plex->organization == plex_disorg) throw_rude_remark(EINVAL, "No plex organization specified"); - plex->dev = make_dev(&vinum_cdevsw, VINUMRMINOR(VINUM_PLEX_TYPE, plexno), - UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR, "vinum/plex/%s", plex->name); + plex->dev = dev2udev(make_dev(&vinum_cdevsw, VINUMRMINOR(VINUM_PLEX_TYPE, p lexno), + UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR, "vinum/plex/%s", plex->name)); if ((plex->volno < 0) /* we don't have a volume */ &&(!detached)) /* and we wouldn't object */ @@ -1544,8 +1544,8 @@ vol->size = max(vol->size, PLEX[vol->plex[i]].length); vinum_conf.volumes_used++; /* one more in use */ - vol->dev = make_dev(&vinum_cdevsw, VINUMRMINOR(VINUM_VOLUME_TYPE, volno), - UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR, "vinum/vol/%s", vol->name); + vol->dev = dev2udev(make_dev(&vinum_cdevsw, VINUMRMINOR(VINUM_VOLUME_TYPE, volno), + UID_ROOT, GID_WHEEL, S_IRUSR|S_IWUSR, "vinum/vol/%s", vol->name)); } /* Index: vinumio.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/dev/vinum/vinumio.c,v retrieving revision 1.65 diff -u -r1.65 vinumio.c --- vinumio.c 2001/01/20 03:46:19 1.65 +++ vinumio.c 2001/03/24 05:44:00 @@ -56,6 +56,7 @@ int unit; char *dname; struct cdevsw *dsw; /* pointer to cdevsw entry */ + dev_t dev; if (bcmp(drive->devicename, "/dev/", 5)) /* device name doesn't start with /dev */ return ENOENT; /* give up */ @@ -71,7 +72,7 @@ * moving the system to devfs. */ dname = &drive->devicename[5]; - drive->dev = NULL; /* no device yet */ + drive->dev = ENOUDEV; /* no device yet */ /* Find the device */ if (bcmp(dname, "ad", 2) == 0) /* IDE disk */ @@ -128,16 +129,17 @@ if ((devminor & 7) == 2) /* partition c */ return ENOTTY; /* not buying that */ - drive->dev = makedev(devmajor, devminor); /* find the device */ - if (drive->dev == NULL) /* didn't find anything */ + dev = makedev(devmajor, devminor); /* find the device */ + if (drive->dev == NOUDEV) /* didn't find anything */ return ENODEV; - drive->dev->si_iosize_max = DFLTPHYS; - dsw = devsw(drive->dev); + drive->dev = dev2udev(dev); + dev->si_iosize_max = DFLTPHYS; + dsw = devsw(dev); if (dsw == NULL) drive->lasterror = ENOENT; else - drive->lasterror = (dsw->d_open) (drive->dev, FWRITE, 0, NULL); + drive->lasterror = (dsw->d_open) (dev, FWRITE, 0, NULL); if (drive->lasterror != 0) { /* failed */ drive->state = drive_down; /* just force it down */ @@ -206,6 +208,8 @@ int init_drive(struct drive *drive, int verbose) { + dev_t dev; + if (drive->devicename[0] != '/') { drive->lasterror = EINVAL; log(LOG_ERR, "vinum: Can't open drive without drive name\n"); @@ -215,7 +219,8 @@ if (drive->lasterror) return drive->lasterror; - drive->lasterror = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_ioctl) (drive->dev, + dev = udev2dev(drive->dev, 0); + drive->lasterror = (*devsw(dev)->d_ioctl) (dev, DIOCGPART, (caddr_t) & drive->partinfo, FREAD, @@ -260,12 +265,15 @@ void close_locked_drive(struct drive *drive) { + dev_t dev; + /* * If we can't access the drive, we can't flush * the queues, which spec_close() will try to * do. Get rid of them here first. */ - drive->lasterror = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_close) (drive->dev, 0, 0, NULL); + dev = udev2dev(drive->dev, 0); + drive->lasterror = (*devsw(dev)->d_close) (dev, 0, 0, NULL); drive->flags &= ~VF_OPEN; /* no longer open */ } @@ -321,7 +329,7 @@ bp = geteblk(len); /* get a buffer header */ bp->b_flags = 0; bp->b_iocmd = flag; - bp->b_dev = drive->dev; /* device */ + bp->b_dev = udev2dev(drive->dev, 0); /* device */ bp->b_blkno = offset / drive->partinfo.disklab->d_secsize; /* block number */ bp->b_saveaddr = bp->b_data; bp->b_data = buf; @@ -606,6 +614,7 @@ struct vinum_hdr *vhdr; /* and as header */ char *config; /* point to config data */ int wlabel_on; /* to set writing label on/off */ + dev_t dev; /* don't save the configuration while we're still working on it */ if (vinum_conf.flags & VF_CONFIGURING) @@ -627,6 +636,7 @@ if (drive->state > drive_referenced) { LOCKDRIVE(drive); /* don't let it change */ + dev = udev2dev(drive->dev, 0); /* * First, do some drive consistency checks. Some * of these are kludges, others require a process @@ -656,7 +666,7 @@ if ((drive->state != drive_unallocated) && (drive->state != drive_referenced)) { /* and it's a real drive */ wlabel_on = 1; /* enable writing the label */ - error = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_ioctl) (drive->dev, /* make the label writ eable */ + error = (*devsw(dev)->d_ioctl) (dev, /* make the label writeable */ DIOCWLABEL, (caddr_t) & wlabel_on, FWRITE, @@ -669,7 +679,7 @@ error = write_drive(drive, config, MAXCONFIG, VINUM_CONFIG_OFFSET + MAXCONFI G); /* second copy */ wlabel_on = 0; /* enable writing the label */ if (error == 0) - error = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_ioctl) (drive->dev, /* make the label non-wri teable again */ + error = (*devsw(dev)->d_ioctl) (dev, /* make the label non-writeable again * / DIOCWLABEL, (caddr_t) & wlabel_on, FWRITE, Index: vinumrequest.c =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/dev/vinum/vinumrequest.c,v retrieving revision 1.54 diff -u -r1.54 vinumrequest.c --- vinumrequest.c 2001/01/10 05:07:52 1.54 +++ vinumrequest.c 2001/03/24 05:34:23 @@ -818,7 +818,7 @@ * when the drive is dead. */ if ((rqe->flags & XFR_BAD_SUBDISK) == 0) /* subdisk is accessible, */ - bp->b_dev = DRIVE[rqe->driveno].dev; /* drive device */ + bp->b_dev = udev2dev(DRIVE[rqe->driveno].dev, 0); /* drive device */ bp->b_blkno = rqe->sdoffset + sd->driveoffset; /* start address */ bp->b_bcount = rqe->buflen << DEV_BSHIFT; /* number of bytes to transf er */ bp->b_resid = bp->b_bcount; /* and it's still all waiting */ @@ -934,7 +934,7 @@ sbp->b.b_bufsize = bp->b_bufsize; /* buffer size */ sbp->b.b_bcount = bp->b_bcount; /* number of bytes to transfer */ sbp->b.b_resid = bp->b_resid; /* and amount waiting */ - sbp->b.b_dev = DRIVE[sd->driveno].dev; /* device */ + sbp->b.b_dev = udev2dev(DRIVE[sd->driveno].dev, 0); /* device */ sbp->b.b_data = bp->b_data; /* data buffer */ sbp->b.b_blkno = bp->b_blkno + sd->driveoffset; sbp->b.b_iodone = sdio_done; /* come here on completion */ Index: vinumvar.h =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/src/sys/dev/vinum/vinumvar.h,v retrieving revision 1.38 diff -u -r1.38 vinumvar.h --- vinumvar.h 2001/02/20 22:07:36 1.38 +++ vinumvar.h 2001/03/24 05:32:31 @@ -396,7 +396,7 @@ u_int64_t bytes_read; /* number of bytes read */ u_int64_t bytes_written; /* number of bytes written */ char devicename[MAXDRIVENAME]; /* name of the slice it's on */ - dev_t dev; /* device information */ + udev_t dev; /* device information */ struct vinum_label label; /* and the label information */ struct partinfo partinfo; /* partition information */ int freelist_size; /* number of entries alloced in free list */ @@ -451,7 +451,7 @@ int init_blocksize; /* init block size (bytes) */ int init_interval; /* and time to wait between transfers */ char name[MAXSDNAME]; /* name of subdisk */ - dev_t dev; + udev_t dev; }; /*** Plex definitions ***/ @@ -499,7 +499,7 @@ u_int64_t multistripe; /* requests that needed more than one stripe */ int sddowncount; /* number of subdisks down */ char name[MAXPLEXNAME]; /* name of plex */ - dev_t dev; + udev_t dev; }; /*** Volume definitions ***/ @@ -539,7 +539,7 @@ int plex[MAXPLEX]; /* index of plexes */ char name[MAXVOLNAME]; /* name of volume */ struct disklabel label; /* for DIOCGPART */ - dev_t dev; + udev_t dev; }; /* --_=XFMail.1.4.0.FreeBSD:010323214914:1177=_-- End of MIME message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 1:20: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E39837B71A for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2O9K3D20033; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:20:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200103240920.f2O9K3D20033@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: From: "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: alpha/26042: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel / userland Reply-To: "David O'Brien" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The following reply was made to PR alpha/26042; it has been noted by GNATS. From: "David O'Brien" To: leclercn@videotron.ca Cc: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Subject: Re: alpha/26042: dev_t size mismatch for DEC Alpha CPUs - kernel / userland Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:16:00 -0800 On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 08:49:26PM -0800, leclercn@videotron.ca wrote: > #ifdef __alpha__ > typedef u_int64_t dev_t; /* device number */ > #else > typedef u_int32_t dev_t; /* device number */ > #endif This change is wrong. Note in sys/sys/types.h that the kernel and userland definitions are in sync -- compair udev_t in kernel land and dev_t in userland. However, we have dev_t defined in places it shouldn't be, such as svr4_types.h and sys/coda/coda.h. Both of these define it as u_long which will give a size mismatch on the Alpha. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 14:58:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B892B37B719; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:58:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nospam@videotron.ca) Received: from neutrino.quantum.net ([24.201.229.37]) by VL-MS-MR003.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GAQ54O02.05N; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:58:00 -0500 Received: from videotron.ca (client32.quantum.net [192.168.56.32]) by neutrino.quantum.net (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5) with ESMTP id f2OMvvmD028952; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:57:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3ABD2676.2070909@videotron.ca> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:57:58 -0500 From: tcn Reply-To: leclercn@videotron.ca User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: leclercn@videotron.ca, grog@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, Mike Smith Subject: Re: dev_t size mismatch kernel / userland References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090506040908000906010705" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090506040908000906010705 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040508000509070700000303" --------------040508000509070700000303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This would be a patch for the -stable 4.3 BETA branch. I am currently testing it... So far, vinum is up, initialization is done on my mirror drive... Normand Leclerc lecnlercn@videotron.ca John Baldwin wrote: > On 24-Mar-01 John Baldwin wrote: > >> On 24-Mar-01 Mike Smith wrote: >> >>>> Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to >>>> u_int64_t. I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner). Hope this gets >>>> fixed! >>> >>> This is wrong. In the kernel or in a module, dev_t is an opaque type. >>> In userspace, you use udev_t, not dev_t. >>> >>> It sounds like vinum is failing to perform the required conversions when >>> exchanging a dev_t with userland, and the correct fix is going to be to >>> add these. >> >> struct drive, struct plex, etc. are shared between userland and the kernel. >> It >> looks like they need to use a udev_t, and the kernel will always have to do >> udev2dev() before using them. Either that or don't export the structures to >> userland. > > > Here is an untested patch to change all the data structures vinum exports to > userland to use udev_t's instead of dev_t's. It's not necessarily optimal, as > udev2dev() can be somewhat expensive I think, but fixing that would mean not > exporting private kernel structs to userland like is done now. This patch can > be had from http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/vinum.udev.patch as well. > --------------040508000509070700000303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   This would be a patch for the -stable 4.3 BETA branch.  I am currently testing it...  So far, vinum is up, initialization is done on my mirror drive...

Normand Leclerc
lecnlercn@videotron.ca


John Baldwin wrote:
On 24-Mar-01 John Baldwin wrote:
On 24-Mar-01 Mike Smith wrote:
  Already tried vinum, works fine after modification of dev_t to 
u_int64_t.  I'll change it to uintptr_t tough (cleaner).  Hope this gets 
fixed!
This is wrong.  In the kernel or in a module, dev_t is an opaque type.  
In userspace, you use udev_t, not dev_t.

It sounds like vinum is failing to perform the required conversions when 
exchanging a dev_t with userland, and the correct fix is going to be to 
add these.
struct drive, struct plex, etc. are shared between userland and the kernel. 
It
looks like they need to use a udev_t, and the kernel will always have to do
udev2dev() before using them.  Either that or don't export the structures to
userland.

Here is an untested patch to change all the data structures vinum exports to
userland to use udev_t's instead of dev_t's.  It's not necessarily optimal, as
udev2dev() can be somewhat expensive I think, but fixing that would mean not
exporting private kernel structs to userland like is done now.  This patch can
be had from http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/patches/vinum.udev.patch as well.


--------------040508000509070700000303-- --------------090506040908000906010705 Content-Type: text/plain; name="vinum.udev.patch2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="vinum.udev.patch2" Only in .: org Only in .: vinum.udev.patch2 diff -u ./vinumio.c org/vinumio.c --- ./vinumio.c Sat Mar 24 17:35:21 2001 +++ org/vinumio.c Sat Mar 24 17:22:00 2001 @@ -71,7 +71,7 @@ * moving the system to devfs. */ dname = &drive->devicename[5]; - drive->dev = ENODEV; /* no device yet */ + drive->dev = NULL; /* no device yet */ /* Find the device */ if (bcmp(dname, "ad", 2) == 0) /* IDE disk */ @@ -128,16 +128,16 @@ if ((devminor & 7) == 2) /* partition c */ return ENOTTY; /* not buying that */ - drive->dev = dev2udev(makedev(devmajor, devminor)); /* find the device */ - if (drive->dev == ENODEV) /* didn't find anything */ + drive->dev = makedev(devmajor, devminor); /* find the device */ + if (drive->dev == NULL) /* didn't find anything */ return ENODEV; - udev2dev(drive->dev,0)->si_iosize_max = DFLTPHYS; - dsw = devsw(udev2dev(drive->dev,0)); + drive->dev->si_iosize_max = DFLTPHYS; + dsw = devsw(drive->dev); if (dsw == NULL) drive->lasterror = ENOENT; else - drive->lasterror = (dsw->d_open) (udev2dev(drive->dev,0), FWRITE, 0, NULL); + drive->lasterror = (dsw->d_open) (drive->dev, FWRITE, 0, NULL); if (drive->lasterror != 0) { /* failed */ drive->state = drive_down; /* just force it down */ @@ -215,7 +215,7 @@ if (drive->lasterror) return drive->lasterror; - drive->lasterror = (*devsw(udev2dev(drive->dev,0))->d_ioctl) (udev2dev(drive->dev,0), + drive->lasterror = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_ioctl) (drive->dev, DIOCGPART, (caddr_t) & drive->partinfo, FREAD, @@ -265,7 +265,7 @@ * the queues, which spec_close() will try to * do. Get rid of them here first. */ - drive->lasterror = (*devsw(udev2dev(drive->dev,0))->d_close) (udev2dev(drive->dev,0), 0, 0, NULL); + drive->lasterror = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_close) (drive->dev, 0, 0, NULL); drive->flags &= ~VF_OPEN; /* no longer open */ } @@ -320,7 +320,7 @@ bp = geteblk(len); /* get a buffer header */ bp->b_flags = flag; - bp->b_dev = udev2dev(drive->dev,0); /* device */ + bp->b_dev = drive->dev; /* device */ bp->b_blkno = offset / drive->partinfo.disklab->d_secsize; /* block number */ bp->b_saveaddr = bp->b_data; bp->b_data = buf; @@ -655,7 +655,7 @@ if ((drive->state != drive_unallocated) && (drive->state != drive_referenced)) { /* and it's a real drive */ wlabel_on = 1; /* enable writing the label */ - error = (*devsw(udev2dev(drive->dev,0))->d_ioctl) (udev2dev(drive->dev,0), /* make the label writeable */ + error = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_ioctl) (drive->dev, /* make the label writeable */ DIOCWLABEL, (caddr_t) & wlabel_on, FWRITE, @@ -668,7 +668,7 @@ error = write_drive(drive, config, MAXCONFIG, VINUM_CONFIG_OFFSET + MAXCONFIG); /* second copy */ wlabel_on = 0; /* enable writing the label */ if (error == 0) - error = (*devsw(udev2dev(drive->dev,0))->d_ioctl) (udev2dev(drive->dev,0), /* make the label non-writeable again */ + error = (*devsw(drive->dev)->d_ioctl) (drive->dev, /* make the label non-writeable again */ DIOCWLABEL, (caddr_t) & wlabel_on, FWRITE, diff -u ./vinumrequest.c org/vinumrequest.c --- ./vinumrequest.c Sat Mar 24 17:39:09 2001 +++ org/vinumrequest.c Sat Mar 24 17:21:59 2001 @@ -816,7 +816,7 @@ * when the drive is dead. */ if ((rqe->flags & XFR_BAD_SUBDISK) == 0) /* subdisk is accessible, */ - bp->b_dev = udev2dev(DRIVE[rqe->driveno].dev,0); /* drive device */ + bp->b_dev = DRIVE[rqe->driveno].dev; /* drive device */ bp->b_blkno = rqe->sdoffset + sd->driveoffset; /* start address */ bp->b_bcount = rqe->buflen << DEV_BSHIFT; /* number of bytes to transfer */ bp->b_resid = bp->b_bcount; /* and it's still all waiting */ @@ -931,7 +931,7 @@ sbp->b.b_bufsize = bp->b_bufsize; /* buffer size */ sbp->b.b_bcount = bp->b_bcount; /* number of bytes to transfer */ sbp->b.b_resid = bp->b_resid; /* and amount waiting */ - sbp->b.b_dev = udev2dev(DRIVE[sd->driveno].dev,0); /* device */ + sbp->b.b_dev = DRIVE[sd->driveno].dev; /* device */ sbp->b.b_data = bp->b_data; /* data buffer */ sbp->b.b_blkno = bp->b_blkno + sd->driveoffset; sbp->b.b_iodone = sdio_done; /* come here on completion */ diff -u ./vinumvar.h org/vinumvar.h --- ./vinumvar.h Sat Mar 24 17:22:09 2001 +++ org/vinumvar.h Sat Mar 24 17:22:00 2001 @@ -406,7 +406,7 @@ u_int64_t sectors; /* and length in sectors */ } *freelist; struct partinfo partinfo; /* partition information */ - udev_t dev; /* device information */ + dev_t dev; /* device information */ #ifdef VINUMDEBUG char lockfilename[16]; /* name of file from which we were locked */ int lockline; /* and the line number */ --------------090506040908000906010705-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 17:40: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34AF37B718 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:40:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25890; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:40:02 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:39:57 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" , Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: consoles... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root password # when going to single-user mode. console none unknown off secure I sure wish I knew what happened here, but at some point past 4.2, /dev/console got broken for Alpha 8200s. ray.nas.nasa.gov has: console "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" cons25 on secure and a a perfectly happy console prompt off of zs0. jules.nas.nasa.gov has *no* console prompt, no matter what one does in /etc/ttys. What really pisses me off about this is that I worked goddamned hard to fix this back in 4.1. Does anyone have a notion as to what complete dufus managed to break this for 4.3? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 17:51: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7919B37B71E for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:51:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2P1leA02521; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:47:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103250147.f2P1leA02521@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: "David O'Brien" , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:39:57 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:47:40 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > # If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root password > # when going to single-user mode. > console none unknown off secure > > I sure wish I knew what happened here, but at some point past 4.2, > /dev/console got broken for Alpha 8200s. ... > What really pisses me off about this is that I worked goddamned hard to fix > this back in 4.1. Actually, what you did back then was fuck up everyone that wasn't using zs0. > Does anyone have a notion as to what complete dufus managed to break this for > 4.3? Whoever took the zs0 entry out of /etc/ttys. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 17:53:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9DC37B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:53:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25939; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:53:27 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:53:21 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: "David O'Brien" , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-Reply-To: <200103250147.f2P1leA02521@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > # If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root password > > # when going to single-user mode. > > console none unknown off secure > > > > I sure wish I knew what happened here, but at some point past 4.2, > > /dev/console got broken for Alpha 8200s. > ... > > What really pisses me off about this is that I worked goddamned hard to fix > > this back in 4.1. > > Actually, what you did back then was fuck up everyone that wasn't using > zs0. Actually, no, that's not quite true. I did get things working for /dev/console properly. See below... If I 'fucked it up' I sure don't recall hearing from you about it. > > Does anyone have a notion as to what complete dufus managed to break this for > > 4.3? > > Whoever took the zs0 entry out of /etc/ttys. Please read my mail, Mike. It works fine in 4.2: ----- FreeBSD/alpha (ray.nas.nasa.gov) (console) login: ---- In order for it to work now in 4,3, we'll have to add back a zs0- which at this stage in the release is probably an okay workaround (albeit disappointing). -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 17:56: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6C337B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:56:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25953; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:56:00 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:55:55 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: "David O'Brien" , Mike Smith , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: followup: consoles... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay- I don't know what happened, but kill -HUP didn't work until a reboot (another mystery). The console entry *does* actually work- nobody broke anything (sorry). But why is this entry now off? I have not had to use this for any serial console machine. Is this required for graphics heads? On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > > > > # If console is marked "insecure", then init will ask for the root password > > > # when going to single-user mode. > > > console none unknown off secure > > > > > > I sure wish I knew what happened here, but at some point past 4.2, > > > /dev/console got broken for Alpha 8200s. > > ... > > > What really pisses me off about this is that I worked goddamned hard to fix > > > this back in 4.1. > > > > Actually, what you did back then was fuck up everyone that wasn't using > > zs0. > > Actually, no, that's not quite true. I did get things working for /dev/console > properly. See below... If I 'fucked it up' I sure don't recall hearing from > you about it. > > > > > Does anyone have a notion as to what complete dufus managed to break this for > > > 4.3? > > > > Whoever took the zs0 entry out of /etc/ttys. > > Please read my mail, Mike. It works fine in 4.2: > > ----- > FreeBSD/alpha (ray.nas.nasa.gov) (console) > > login: > ---- > > In order for it to work now in 4,3, we'll have to add back a zs0- which at > this stage in the release is probably an okay workaround (albeit > disappointing). > > -matt > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18: 2:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E817837B71B for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2P1xZA02644; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103250159.f2P1xZA02644@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: "David O'Brien" , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:53:21 PST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:59:35 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In order for it to work now in 4,3, we'll have to add back a zs0- which at > this stage in the release is probably an okay workaround (albeit > disappointing). You run gettys on the device, not on /dev/console, so this is the correct solution. Sysinstall does need to be fixed, though, to enable the correct getty. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18: 4:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C78137B71D for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:04:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2P24C307739; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:04:11 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... Message-ID: <20010324180411.A7556@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:39:57PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:39:57PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > I sure wish I knew what happened here, but at some point past 4.2, > /dev/console got broken for Alpha 8200s. This past week, I committed a change that removed the getty off of the console device, and put one on ttyd0. This was due to people saying they were getting garbage on their consoles. I never saw this on my Miata-MX5, or AS250. But others said they did. Andrew (and Mike Smith) wasn't happy with the commit I made that put the getty on the console device. I liked having the getty on the console device, as you *always* had a getty no matter what type of console you had, and no matter if you changed the type of console post-install. How does NetBSD/Alpha handle this? IIRC NetBSD/Sparc runs a getty on the console device and things Just Work. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18: 5:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9410B37B719; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:05:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f2P25Ct07761; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:05:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:05:07 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mike Smith Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... Message-ID: <20010324180507.B7556@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200103250159.f2P1xZA02644@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103250159.f2P1xZA02644@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:59:35PM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:59:35PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > Sysinstall does need to be fixed, though, to enable the correct getty. What happens on non-ZS machines if we put zs0 in ttys and put a getty on it? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18: 8: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9115E37B71A; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:08:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2P27NA02733; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:07:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103250207.f2P27NA02733@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Matthew Jacob , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:04:11 PST." <20010324180411.A7556@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:07:23 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I liked having the getty on the console device, as you *always* had a > getty no matter what type of console you had, and no matter if you > changed the type of console post-install. If you want to do this, you need to remove gettys from all possible console devices, and fix Xconsole. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18:10:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DBD37B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:10:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2P2AFA02767; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:10:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103250210.f2P2AFA02767@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:05:07 PST." <20010324180507.B7556@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:10:15 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18:12:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F415537B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:12:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2P2BSA02821; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:11:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103250211.f2P2BSA02821@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:05:07 PST." <20010324180507.B7556@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:11:28 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:59:35PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > Sysinstall does need to be fixed, though, to enable the correct getty. > > What happens on non-ZS machines if we put zs0 in ttys and put a getty on it? Getty exits very quickly a few times, and then init stops spawning it for a while. Rinse, repeat. Getty should probably exit silently with a better status code, and init should grok this. I proposed this before, but as usual never followed up with real code. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 18:55:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from moby.geekhouse.net (moby.geekhouse.net [64.81.6.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DAF837B71B; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:55:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@dhcp152.geekhouse.net [192.168.1.152]) by moby.geekhouse.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2P2tjj19910; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:55:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200103250211.f2P2BSA02821@mass.dis.org> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:54:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Mike Smith Subject: Re: consoles... Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, Andrew Gallatin , mjacob@feral.com, obrien@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25-Mar-01 Mike Smith wrote: >> On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:59:35PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: >> > Sysinstall does need to be fixed, though, to enable the correct getty. >> >> What happens on non-ZS machines if we put zs0 in ttys and put a getty on it? > > Getty exits very quickly a few times, and then init stops spawning it for > a while. Rinse, repeat. > > Getty should probably exit silently with a better status code, and init > should grok this. I proposed this before, but as usual never followed up > with real code. Stick it on projects.freebsd.org so that someone else can code it then. :) (Or send a PR or something. :)). -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 19:20: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F151D37B71A; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26203; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:20:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:19:58 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: "David O'Brien" , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-Reply-To: <200103250159.f2P1xZA02644@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > In order for it to work now in 4,3, we'll have to add back a zs0- which at > > this stage in the release is probably an okay workaround (albeit > > disappointing). > > You run gettys on the device, not on /dev/console, so this is the correct > solution. > > Sysinstall does need to be fixed, though, to enable the correct getty. Sigh. I should know better than to shoot first. So- how do we fix 8200s, add the zs0 device back in? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 19:22:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3950C37B71A; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:22:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26213; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:22:19 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:22:14 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-Reply-To: <20010324180411.A7556@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:39:57PM -0800, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > I sure wish I knew what happened here, but at some point past 4.2, > > /dev/console got broken for Alpha 8200s. > > This past week, I committed a change that removed the getty off of the > console device, and put one on ttyd0. This was due to people saying they > were getting garbage on their consoles. I never saw this on my > Miata-MX5, or AS250. But others said they did. Andrew (and Mike Smith) > wasn't happy with the commit I made that put the getty on the console > device. > > I liked having the getty on the console device, as you *always* had a > getty no matter what type of console you had, and no matter if you > changed the type of console post-install. > > How does NetBSD/Alpha handle this? IIRC NetBSD/Sparc runs a getty on the > console device and things Just Work. NetBSD/Alpha has ttyE0/ttyd0 (the real device) IIRC (don't have one up at the moment). NetBSD/Sparc has console because you're always guaranteed a prom telling you what console is. I personally like having a getty on /dev/console because, as you say, you'll always get something. But if the consensus is that you must run the getty on a real device (why even *have* a /dev/console then, I mean showing up in /dev?), then I need to know whether we should add zs0 back to /etc/gettytab. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 19:23:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A1137B71A; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:23:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26221; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:23:17 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:23:12 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-Reply-To: <200103250210.f2P2AFA02767@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does this empty message mean we should reread your latest .sig? On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Mar 24 19:25:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from feral.com (feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1927637B71D; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:25:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (beppo [192.67.166.79]) by feral.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA26246; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:25:46 -0800 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:25:41 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: consoles... In-Reply-To: <200103250211.f2P2BSA02821@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It'd be really nice to 'fix' this for 4.3, but I would totally understand that this is not something to delay the release for- it's an easy RTF to fix this from single user after having installed an 8200 (like, is there anyone *else* out there who has 8200s to try other than me or Wilko?). In any case, *I* edit my ttys to enable getty on the console- that way I don't have to go hand make a /dev/zs0 (which isn't in the MAKEDEV because there's been no need, errm, to do so). On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 05:59:35PM -0800, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Sysinstall does need to be fixed, though, to enable the correct getty. > > > > What happens on non-ZS machines if we put zs0 in ttys and put a getty on it? > > Getty exits very quickly a few times, and then init stops spawning it for > a while. Rinse, repeat. > > Getty should probably exit silently with a better status code, and init > should grok this. I proposed this before, but as usual never followed up > with real code. > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message