From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 22 12:42:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.matriplex.com (ns1.matriplex.com [208.131.42.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF8237B406; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:42:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rh@matriplex.com) Received: from mail.matriplex.com (mail.matriplex.com [208.131.42.9]) by mail.matriplex.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA58370; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rh@matriplex.com) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 12:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Hodges To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Matthew Jacob , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3 GENERIC won't complete In-Reply-To: <20010720005427.A2701@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Jul 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 10:37:41PM -0700, Richard Hodges wrote: > > That's good to know, but it still goes through the modules twice, > > again choking on agp. > > That is normal -- once to make the "obj" directory for each module, and > the 2nd time is the build (or depend) step. > > That linking you showed is very weird. I would: > > cd /usr/src/sys/compile > rm -rf GENERIC > cd /usr/src/sys/modules > make cleandir > make cleandir > cd /usr/src/sys/alpha/conf > config GENERIC > cd ../../compile/GENERIC > make depend > make That didn't seem to help. The modules still failed with agp. But after doing 'rm -r /usr/src/sys' and reinstalling kernel sources, the problem went away. I have a strong feeling that the module compile problem was related to the bad clock setting when I installed FreeBSD, even though I removed sys/compile/... and did fresh configs. Something was probably confused by the file and directory dates of 1919. Anyway, thanks for the help. Now I can start having fun! The reason I got this Alpha is to get some code 64-bit clean in preparation for the new architectures. -Richard ------------------------------------------- Richard Hodges | Matriplex, inc. Product Manager | 769 Basque Way rh@matriplex.com | Carson City, NV 89706 775-886-6477 | www.matriplex.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 22 18:58:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78ABA37B401; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6N1wYw63577; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:58:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@freefall.freebsd.org) Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Cc: Subject: newbie question--trouble booting EB164 Message-ID: <20010722175500.C51924-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I was given an EB164, which ran Windows NT when I received it. I removed its video card and IDE CD-ROM drive. I plugged in my Matrox Millennium I video card. I installed version 4.8-1 of the SRM firmware from gatekeeper.dec.com. I put the kern.flp image from the 5.0-20010126-CURRENT snapshot onto a floppy disk and got this: >>>boot dva0 (boot dva0.0.0.0.1 -flags 0) block 0 of dva0.0.0.0.1 is a valid boot block reading 15 blocks from dva0.0.0.0.1 bootstrap code read in base = 11c000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 1e00 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 10e000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code The LED on the floppy drive lit up, went dark, then lit again while I heard the drive seeking, then went out again and stayed that way. The same thing happens with 4.3-RELEASE and with NetBSD 1.5.1. When I received the computer, it had two floppy drives, an HD and an ED one. I tried attaching the primary end of the floppy cable to the other drive. I also tried another floppy disk. The result was the same. When I do "show device" at the SRM prompt, only dva0 is listed, even after I put back the CD-ROM drive. I have a CD burner, an AHA 1542CF SCSI card, and some SCSI CD-ROM drives. I also have some Ethernet cards (no DEC ones though). Before I try booting from CD or from the network, though, I'm wondering whether anyone has an idea of what I have already done wrong. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jul 22 19: 6:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC31C37B401; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:06:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6N27OI04694; Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:07:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200107230207.f6N27OI04694@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Trevor Johnson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org, trevor@jpj.net Subject: Re: newbie question--trouble booting EB164 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 22 Jul 2001 18:58:34 PDT." <20010722175500.C51924-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 19:07:24 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have a CD burner, an AHA 1542CF SCSI card, and some SCSI CD-ROM drives. > I also have some Ethernet cards (no DEC ones though). Before I try > booting from CD or from the network, though, I'm wondering whether anyone > has an idea of what I have already done wrong. >>> set console=graphics >>> init (or maybe just 'set console graphics', it's been a while). -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 23 2:37:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4BC37B422; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6N9b2C87174; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:37:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@freefall.freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 02:37:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Mike Smith Cc: Subject: Re: newbie question--trouble booting EB164 Message-ID: <20010723022035.P84567-100000@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > (or maybe just 'set console graphics', it's been a while). Thanks! That did the trick. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 23 6:15:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from fl-mia01-m.stis.com (5935supra.020.popsite.net [64.24.149.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C3137B401 for ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 06:15:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ramon.crespo@stis.com) Received: by fl-mia01-m.stis.com.10.in-addr.arpa with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:15:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Crespo, Ramon" To: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: machine randomly reboots FreeBSD-4.3_RELEASE Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:15:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All, Over the weekend the machine randomly rebooted over the weekend if there any logs or anything I should be looking at to find out why someone please let me know. Ive had uptimes of 3 weeks on it and then it randomly reboots. Note its a DEC Alpha PWS 600au with 256MB of ram and its currently running 4.3-RELEASE. Thanks to all, Ramon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 4:59:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from l04.research.kpn.com (l04.research.kpn.com [139.63.192.204]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4028237B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:59:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from K.J.Koster@kpn.com) Received: by l04.research.kpn.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:59:15 +0100 Message-ID: <59063B5B4D98D311BC0D0001FA7E452205FD9DCE@l04.research.kpn.com> From: "Koster, K.J." To: 'FreeBSD Alpha mailing list' Subject: rl0 on Alpha Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:59:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear All, Just FYI: I could not get my Realtek cards to work with the rl0 driver on Alpha. It just sits there, scribbling "watchdog timeout" into the system log. This is with and without forced media selection. Kees Jan ===================================================== You can't have everything. Where would you put it? [Steven Wright] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 16:23: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from poptart.bithose.com (poptart.bithose.com [208.171.236.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BC37B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:22:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6ONLua54654 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:21:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:21:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Jameel Akari To: Subject: 4.3 install on Alphastation 4/233 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm attempting to install FreeBSD-4.3 on an Alphastation 200 4/233. I can boot the CD from SRM without a hitch. However, when the installer starts and prompts for terminal type, it doesn't respond to the keyboard. The machine isn't hung, just that it doesn't listen to the keyboard. I rebooted and ran it using a serial console. It hung at the same point, but when I sent a break signal, it woke up. Given the choice I'd rather not install from a dumb terminal because the menus render poorly, and being a FreeBSD newbie, I need to be able to see what I'm doing. And I'd like the VGA/KB console to work in any case. I installed the latest (last) SRM available for this machine prior to trying FreeBSD. I just don't see anything wrong with it. I've pasted a copy of the system configuration below for your perusal. If someone would like to see a boot dmesg I could probably capture that as well. Thanks for any help! -- Jameel Akari jakari@bithose.com SRM info: >>>show conf Firmware SRM Console: V7.0-9 show_arc: Can't find Flash Rom containing ARC console. PALcode: VMS PALcode V5.56-2, OSF PALcode X1.46-2 Serial Rom: V4.6 Diag Rom: V1.7 Processor DECchip (tm) 21064A-2 233Mhz 512KB Cache MEMORY 64 Meg of System Memory Bank 0 = 16 Mbytes(8 MB Per Simm) Starting at 0x2000000 Bank 1 = 32 Mbytes(16 MB Per Simm) Starting at 0x0 Bank 2 = 16 Mbytes(8 MB Per Simm) Starting at 0x3000000 PCI Bus Bus 00 Slot 06: NCR 810 Scsi Controller pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7 dka0.0.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST15230W SUN dka300.3.0.6.0 TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-57 Bus 00 Slot 07: Intel SIO 82378 Bus 00 Slot 11: DECchip 21040 Network Controller ewa0.0.0.11.0 00-00-F8-23-2B-66 Bus 00 Slot 12: Digital ZLXp Graphics Controller Bus 00 Slot 13: Vendor: 11ad Device: 2 ISA Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr IRQ 0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 12 1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 1 2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 4 3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 3 4 LPT1 Embedded Yes 3bc 7 5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 6 0 PCXBJ Singleport Yes 530 9 388 0 PCIC-PCMCIA Singleport Yes 3e0 14 #!/jameel/akari for zig in $(find / -name zig); do rm -f $zig; done; export GREAT_JUSTICE=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 18:31:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9378537B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6P0dov05985; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:39:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:38:19 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jameel Akari Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3 install on Alphastation 4/233 Message-ID: <20010724173819.C5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jakari@bithose.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:21:56PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:21:56PM -0400, Jameel Akari wrote: > Bus 00 Slot 12: Digital ZLXp Graphics Controller This may be a TGA card. At the moment we do not have a device driver for it. So serial console will be your only choice unless you replace it with a more standard [cheap] video card. I have a TGA driver that has been submitted, but I am waiting feedback from the author before I can do the import (maybe in time for FreeBSD 4.4). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 18:31:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA2237B403 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:31:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6P0c5Y05972; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:36:33 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jameel Akari Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3 install on Alphastation 4/233 Message-ID: <20010724173633.B5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jakari@bithose.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:21:56PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:21:56PM -0400, Jameel Akari wrote: > I'm attempting to install FreeBSD-4.3 on an Alphastation 200 4/233. I can > boot the CD from SRM without a hitch. However, when the installer starts > and prompts for terminal type, it doesn't respond to the keyboard. The > machine isn't hung, just that it doesn't listen to the keyboard. You may have the SRM console setting wrong. Do a show console and report what it says. > Given the choice I'd rather > not install from a dumb terminal because the menus render poorly, and What type of serial console terminal were you using? I do all my Alpha work over a vt100, and the menus look very nice if you pick the right serial console type when prompted. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 18:38:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from poptart.bithose.com (poptart.bithose.com [208.171.236.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADBF37B405 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P1bKR54565 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:37:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:37:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jameel Akari To: Subject: Re: 4.3 install on Alphastation 4/233 In-Reply-To: <20010724173819.C5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:21:56PM -0400, Jameel Akari wrote: > > Bus 00 Slot 12: Digital ZLXp Graphics Controller > > This may be a TGA card. At the moment we do not have a device driver for > it. So serial console will be your only choice unless you replace it Yes, that is a good ol' 21030-AA TGA card. I've swapped it for an ATI mach64 (which thankfully had a DEC-issue ROM on it) and all is well. I'm installing now. (console=graphics when I tried the first time, that wasn't the problem.) I guess when I had it up in serial console, sending the break to reset the port probably selected the low-function ASCII mode for me. That, and Minicom's emulation is somewhat lacking. I should drag out the real VT100, the silly thing still works the best. > with a more standard [cheap] video card. I have a TGA driver that has > been submitted, but I am waiting feedback from the author before I can do > the import (maybe in time for FreeBSD 4.4). Then I'll look forward to trying it on my UDB someday. ;) Thanks! #!/jameel/akari for zig in $(find / -name zig); do rm -f $zig; done; export GREAT_JUSTICE=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 19:38:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA5737B401 for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:38:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6P2cM007047; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:38:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:38:18 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jameel Akari Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3 install on Alphastation 4/233 Message-ID: <20010724193818.D5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010724173819.C5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jakari@bithose.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:37:20PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:37:20PM -0400, Jameel Akari wrote: > That, and Minicom's emulation is somewhat lacking. I should drag out the > real VT100, the silly thing still works the best. I use the conserver port in an Xterm. Works very nicely. Also logs the console output, which is very good for those times something is going wrong. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 24 23:50:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C19037B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29949; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:49:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6P6nVO01499; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:49:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:49:31 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Jameel Akari , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3 install on Alphastation 4/233 Message-ID: <20010725084931.C340@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010724173819.C5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724173819.C5825@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:38:19PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:38:19PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:21:56PM -0400, Jameel Akari wrote: > > Bus 00 Slot 12: Digital ZLXp Graphics Controller > > This may be a TGA card. At the moment we do not have a device driver for s/may/is/ > it. So serial console will be your only choice unless you replace it > with a more standard [cheap] video card. I have a TGA driver that has > been submitted, but I am waiting feedback from the author before I can do > the import (maybe in time for FreeBSD 4.4). Yep, needs to be serial for now. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte "Youth is not a time in life, it is a state of mind" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 25 0:12:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153D337B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:12:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6P7CnV69651; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:12:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f6P7DjA25725; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:13:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:13:45 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: "Crespo, Ramon" Cc: "'freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: machine randomly reboots FreeBSD-4.3_RELEASE Message-ID: <20010725091344.A25716@cicely20.cicely.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Ramon.crespo@stis.com on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:15:01AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:15:01AM -0400, Crespo, Ramon wrote: > Hello All, > Over the weekend the machine randomly rebooted over the weekend if there any > logs or anything I should be looking at to find out why someone please let > me know. Ive had uptimes of 3 weeks on it and then it randomly reboots. Note > its a DEC Alpha PWS 600au with 256MB of ram and its currently running > 4.3-RELEASE. Alpha machines don't clear the dmesg buffer during reboot. So if it was a panic you can read the panic message after reboot using dmesg. If you don't see older boot messages it usually means a power loss. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 25 6:40:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from blues.jpj.net (unknown [204.97.17.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A109037B40B; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:40:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6N477v19458; Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 00:07:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: Mike Smith Cc: Subject: Re: newbie question--trouble booting EB164 In-Reply-To: <200107230207.f6N27OI04694@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: <20010723000642.S16967-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > (or maybe just 'set console graphics', it's been a while). Thanks! That did the trick. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 25 7:59:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.baerum.kommune.no (mail.baerum.kommune.no [195.134.40.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 27BEF37B756 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no) Received: from SA-D01-Message_Server by mail.baerum.kommune.no with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:58:40 +0200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:58:22 +0200 From: "Idar Tollefsen" To: Subject: Problems makeing XFree86 4 for Alpha Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have just installed 4.3 on my 164LX running a 533MHz 21164A. During installation, it was unable to install X. It said it couldn't find the packages (e.g. Xnst, Xf100, e.g.). I tried different FTP servers with the same result. I'm now trying to get X running from /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4. It comes pretty far. In fact, make completes without any problems. make install however fails when it tries to make the files in works/xc/programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support/bsd/drm/kernel In subdirectories to this dir., there are symlinks to /sys/{$ARCH}/include called "machine". On my Alpha, they have been set to point to /sys/i386/include. I went in and manually fixed this to be /sys/alpha/include. That brings it somewhat further along, but then it fails when it tries to compile lists.c, which is linked in from ../../../linux/drm/kernel. It complains about cast of pointer to integer of different size, e.g. It says the problem is related to drmP.h, which is one of the few files in the bsd/drm/kernel dir. that isn't linked in from linux/drm/kernel (if not the only file). All in all, it seems like the entire build process at this point just forgot that I'm running on an Alpha and tries to complete make install as if it where for an i386. Can I do something about that? Does anyone else have XFree86 4.x up and running on an Alpha, and if so, how did you do it? I tried looking for packages, and found some, but not the server itself it seems... Or have I just overlooked something? - IT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 25 12:40:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5763A37B406 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PJe8J62517; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:40:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from iatl0x01.coxmail.com (iatl0x02.coxmail.com [206.157.225.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8466937B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pherman@tick.sc.omation.com) Received: from tick.sc.omation.com ([64.58.167.31]) by iatl0x01.coxmail.com (InterMail vK.4.03.02.00 201-232-124 license eaa2928f5bcba31507d4d280f1027278) with ESMTP id <20010725193952.CCEJ27239.iatl0x01@tick.sc.omation.com> for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:39:52 -0400 Received: (from pherman@localhost) by tick.sc.omation.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PJdqX06597; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pherman) Message-Id: <200107251939.f6PJdqX06597@tick.sc.omation.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: pherman@frenchfries.net Reply-To: pherman@frenchfries.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: alpha/29231: sockstat broken on alpha [patch] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 29231 >Category: alpha >Synopsis: sockstat broken on alpha [patch] >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-alpha >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Jul 25 12:40:07 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Paul Herman >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE alpha >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD tick.sc.omation.com 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #0: Tue Jun 5 12:34:59 PDT 2001 root@fw1.sc.omation.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/fw1 alpha >Description: sockstat prints only "?" for protocols & addresses when run on a 64-bit OS. >How-To-Repeat: 12:32:05{{ttyp0}pherman@arthur}~//> sockstat | head USER COMMAND PID FD PROTO LOCAL ADDRESS FOREIGN ADDRESS root xterm 32538 3 ? ? ? root sshd 32537 3 ? ? ? root sshd 32537 4 ? ? ? root sshd 32537 6 ? ? ? bind named 28544 4 ? ? ? >Fix: The reason is because the socket addresses printed by "netstat -A" are 64-bit u_long on a 64-bit platform. fstat, however, prints them as ints which are always 32-bit. A second problem is that sockstat.pl is hardcoded to expect only 8-byte socket addresses. The following patch for -STABLE fixes this issue: Index: usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c,v retrieving revision 1.21.2.3 diff -u -r1.21.2.3 fstat.c --- usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c 2000/12/05 09:43:11 1.21.2.3 +++ usr.bin/fstat/fstat.c 2001/07/25 18:04:22 @@ -664,7 +664,7 @@ goto bad; } - printf("* pipe %8x <-> %8x", (int)pi, (int)pip.pipe_peer); + printf("* pipe %8lx <-> %8lx", (u_long)pi, (u_long)pip.pipe_peer); printf(" %6d", (int)pip.pipe_buffer.cnt); rw[0] = '\0'; if (flag & FREAD) @@ -762,16 +762,16 @@ (void *)so.so_pcb); goto bad; } - printf(" %x", (int)inpcb.inp_ppcb); + printf(" %lx", (u_long)inpcb.inp_ppcb); } } else if (so.so_pcb) - printf(" %x", (int)so.so_pcb); + printf(" %lx", (u_long)so.so_pcb); break; case AF_UNIX: /* print address of pcb and connected pcb */ if (so.so_pcb) { - printf(" %x", (int)so.so_pcb); + printf(" %lx", (u_long)so.so_pcb); if (kvm_read(kd, (u_long)so.so_pcb, (char *)&unpcb, sizeof(struct unpcb)) != sizeof(struct unpcb)){ dprintf(stderr, "can't read unpcb at %p\n", @@ -788,14 +788,14 @@ if (!(so.so_state & SS_CANTSENDMORE)) *cp++ = '>'; *cp = '\0'; - printf(" %s %x", shoconn, - (int)unpcb.unp_conn); + printf(" %s %lx", shoconn, + (u_long)unpcb.unp_conn); } } break; default: /* print protocol number and socket address */ - printf(" %d %x", proto.pr_protocol, (int)sock); + printf(" %d %lx", proto.pr_protocol, (u_long)sock); } printf("\n"); return; Index: usr.bin/sockstat/sockstat.pl =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/usr.bin/sockstat/sockstat.pl,v retrieving revision 1.6.2.4 diff -u -r1.6.2.4 sockstat.pl --- usr.bin/sockstat/sockstat.pl 2001/03/22 13:49:51 1.6.2.4 +++ usr.bin/sockstat/sockstat.pl 2001/07/25 19:15:26 @@ -57,7 +57,7 @@ die("exec(netstat): $!\n"); } while ($line = ) { - next unless ($line =~ m/^[0-9a-f]{8} /); + next unless ($line =~ m/^[0-9a-f]{8} /) || ($line =~ m/^[0-9a-f]{16} /); chomp($line); @fields = split(' ', $line); $netstat{$fields[0]} = [ @fields ]; >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 25 13:34:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938FA37B401; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:34:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from mjacob@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6PKPpQ73516; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:25:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200107252025.f6PKPpQ73516@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mjacob@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org, mjacob@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: alpha/29231: sockstat broken on alpha [patch] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: sockstat broken on alpha [patch] Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-alpha->mjacob Responsible-Changed-By: mjacob Responsible-Changed-When: Wed Jul 25 13:25:31 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: I'll take it. . http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29231 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 26 2:32:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.baerum.kommune.no (mail.baerum.kommune.no [195.134.40.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DE3D37B409 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 02:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no) Received: from SA-D01-Message_Server by mail.baerum.kommune.no with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:32:46 +0200 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:32:29 +0200 From: "Idar Tollefsen" To: Subject: "??0: watchdog timeout"; MII related? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----------------------------------------------------- Following a request from Ted Mittelstaedt to post this to freebsd-alpha instead of freebsd-questions, I apologize to those of you who subscribe to both lists. He felt this list would be better suited to help me than the general freebsd-questions crowd. ----------------------------------------------------- Hello, I have now tried the following four NIC's on OpenBSD 2.9 and FreeBSD 4.3: - 3C905B - 3C905 - eepro 10/100 - ANA-62011 Of these, only the eepro 10/100 works. The others give me "??0: watchdog timeout" (where ?? is xl and sf respectively) upon startup and the network is unusable from there on.=20 Having read a ton of archived messages about this problem, none of them offered a solution, save one if_dc.c patch for an older version of the dc driver that was supposed to do something about it. Some said to try different PCI slots for the NIC's, and I did, but it didn't make any difference. But having read these archives, and a lot of other documentation, I discovered that the difference between these cards is that the 3C905's and the ANA-62011 has an onboard MII interface while the eepro 10/100 does not. Could there be something here to explain the problem? Other relevant information is that I'm running this on an Alpha (164LX), GENERIC kernel, and that I don't go trough a HUB (the cable is connected directly from one machine to the other, from NIC to NIC). Could someone provide me with tips and tricks to solve this? Even long shots will be appreciated.=20 - IT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 26 4:35:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E167337B407 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 04:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas.Pornin@ens.fr) Received: from jaunet.ens.fr (jaunet.ens.fr [129.199.99.12]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f6QBZXm46212 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:35:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (pornin@localhost) by jaunet.ens.fr (8.10.0/jb-1.1) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:35:33 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: short package INDEX file and sysinstall segfault Message-ID: <20010726133532.A21275@jaunet.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am currently installing a 4.3 RELEASE on a PWS 500a (4 GB harddrive on a Qlogic disk, 576 MB of ram). The base system is in place, and I am trying to install some packages. The problem is that the following file seems incorrect: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/alpha/packages-4.3-release/INDEX it is really small (a few kilobytes) and lists only a very small subset of the available packages. All ftp mirrors copied that file, so none of them has a working INDEX file. I downloaded all the packages (I had to delete some so that it would fit in a 1.5 GB filesystem -- I removed the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, German, Hebrew, Korean and Russian packages) and I tried to replace the INDEX file with the one from /usr/ports (which seems to have the same syntax). But then, /stand/sysinstall segfaults while reading that file. I could use pkg_add on individual packages, but this would be tiresome (the sysinstall menus are great to read description and handle dependencies). I could use the ports but I do not feel like recompiling everything (it could take some time). So, is there somewhere either a correct INDEX file, or a sysinstall-like utility that will do the job ? --Thomas Pornin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 26 5: 9:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A2537B401 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:09:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A1C3E28; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:09:45 -0700 (PDT) To: Thomas Pornin Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: short package INDEX file and sysinstall segfault In-Reply-To: <20010726133532.A21275@jaunet.ens.fr>; from Thomas.Pornin@ens.fr on "Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:35:33 +0200" Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:09:45 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010726120945.D9A1C3E28@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Pornin writes: > I downloaded all the packages (I had to delete some so that it would fit > in a 1.5 GB filesystem -- I removed the Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, > German, Hebrew, Korean and Russian packages) and I tried to replace > the INDEX file with the one from /usr/ports (which seems to have the > same syntax). But then, /stand/sysinstall segfaults while reading that > file. This is a bug in sysinstall which was fixed about a month ago. I don't know about the other stuff; perhaps someone else does. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 26 8: 7:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 439E437B405 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:07:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 96726 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2001 15:07:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Jul 2001 15:07:39 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Idar Tollefsen Subject: RE: "??0: watchdog timeout"; MII related? Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 26-Jul-01 Idar Tollefsen wrote: > ----------------------------------------------------- > Following a request from Ted Mittelstaedt to post this to > freebsd-alpha instead of freebsd-questions, I apologize > to those of you who subscribe to both lists. He felt this > list would be better suited to help me than the general > freebsd-questions crowd. > ----------------------------------------------------- > > Hello, > > I have now tried the following four NIC's on OpenBSD 2.9 > and FreeBSD 4.3: > > - 3C905B > - 3C905 > - eepro 10/100 > - ANA-62011 I assume eepro 10/100 is the Intel etherexpress pro and uses the fxp(4) driver? If so, the card does indeed have an on-board MII interface, but older versions of the driver just don't use the miibus code. It sounds like a problem with your cards not getting interrupts for some reason, but I'm not sure. If you ask real nicely and provide dmesg excerpts and literal copies of the error messages, Bill Paul might be able to help you. > Of these, only the eepro 10/100 works. The others give me > "??0: watchdog timeout" (where ?? is xl and sf respectively) upon > startup and the network is unusable from there on. > > Having read a ton of archived messages about this problem, none of > them offered a solution, save one if_dc.c patch for an older version > of the dc driver that was supposed to do something about it. > Some said to try different PCI slots for the NIC's, and I did, > but it didn't make any difference. > > But having read these archives, and a lot of other documentation, > I discovered that the difference between these cards is that the > 3C905's and the ANA-62011 has an onboard MII interface while the > eepro 10/100 does not. Could there be something here to explain > the problem? > > Other relevant information is that I'm running this on an > Alpha (164LX), GENERIC kernel, and that I don't go trough a HUB > (the cable is connected directly from one machine to the other, > from NIC to NIC). > > Could someone provide me with tips and tricks to solve this? > Even long shots will be appreciated. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 27 3:50:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AE637B408 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 03:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28889 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:50:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6RAopI11836 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:50:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:50:51 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current Message-ID: <20010727125051.A11811@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After some discussion this is a 'formal' RFC for the following: - removal of support for DEC3000/xxx ('Bird' series) machines - removal of support for the related TurboChannel (TC) support code - (of course) updating docs, release notes accordingly Rationale: DEC3000 & TC support on FreeBSD/alpha has never been stellar to start with. TC never made the transition to SCSI/CAM, making Birds diskless-only boxes. Interest in both working on TC [SCSI] and testing release candidates on Birds is negligable and has been so for a long time. NetBSD/alpha has much better and complete support for the DEC3000 (the alpha NetBSD port was born on them IIRC) so there is a suitable migration path for DEC3000 owners. Unless some **compelling** reasons are brought forward to *not* do this, TC support is going away in -current. Support in -stable will go away at some point in time as well. Whether this is before or after 4.4 is released remains to be seen at the moment. Wilko -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 27 7:55:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26EF37B403 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6REtnI40104; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 07:55:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current In-Reply-To: <20010727125051.A11811@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org remove TC support. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 27 9:43:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97E6737B403 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6RGhSv43944 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 09:43:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: New snapshot available Message-ID: <20010727094328.A43932@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/5.0-20010721-CURRENT enjoy! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 27 11:15:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from blues.jpj.net (unknown [204.97.17.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947AD37B403; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:15:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6RIF7r02073; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 14:15:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Subject: Re: New snapshot available In-Reply-To: <20010727094328.A43932@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: <20010727141333.I18443-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/alpha/5.0-20010721-CURRENT Thank you. If this could go up on current.freebsd.org too, more people would find it. The latest snapshot there is from 26 January. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 11:55:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0604D37B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:55:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6SItEI34046; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:55:13 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Trevor Johnson Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New snapshot available Message-ID: <20010728115513.A33983@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010727094328.A43932@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010727141333.I18443-100000@blues.jpj.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010727141333.I18443-100000@blues.jpj.net>; from trevor@jpj.net on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:15:07PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:15:07PM -0400, Trevor Johnson wrote: > Thank you. If this could go up on current.freebsd.org too, more people > would find it. The latest snapshot there is from 26 January. It is there now. But there are no Alpha packages or X11 on current.freebsd.org. So the experience will not be as good using current.freebsd.org vs. ftp.freebsd.org. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 12: 5:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E3137B405; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:05:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@havk.org) Received: from bsd.havk.org (user-24-214-56-224.knology.net [24.214.56.224]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6SJ5SF20069; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:05:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: by bsd.havk.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 638AB1A7CE; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:05:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:05:27 -0500 From: Steve Price To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Trevor Johnson , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New snapshot available Message-ID: <20010728140527.X75590@bsd.havk.org> References: <20010727094328.A43932@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010727141333.I18443-100000@blues.jpj.net> <20010728115513.A33983@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010728115513.A33983@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:55:13AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 28, 2001 at 11:55:13AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > It is there now. But there are no Alpha packages or X11 on > current.freebsd.org. So the experience will not be as good using > current.freebsd.org vs. ftp.freebsd.org. Speaking of packages do you have an ETA on beta.freebsd.org coming back up? 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MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > remove TC support. By all means. Let's run on less hardware. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 13:30:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31C437B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6SKUAI16471; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:30:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current In-Reply-To: <3B631E6C.47DE09F1@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > remove TC support. > > By all means. Let's run on less hardware. No, no, no. Let's limit our support to that which we're likely to have. Or, another way to put it- if *you* have TC units and want to support them, far out! Please do! -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 13:59:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9628137B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (dialup-209.247.137.129.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.247.137.129]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02131; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 13:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B6327DC.282CED87@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:00:12 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > remove TC support. > > > > By all means. Let's run on less hardware. > > No, no, no. Let's limit our support to that which we're likely to have. Or... Let's limit what we're likely to have to what we support. > Or, another way to put it- if *you* have TC units and want to support them, > far out! Please do! Let's not chase away someone who might take you up on your offer in the future by deleting the existing code today. What does diking out the code buy you, apart from less code in a checked out source tree, a bigger Attic, and a large CVSsup/CTM delta for everyone to have to swallow? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 14:10:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C6A37B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6SLAHI18056; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Terry Lambert Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current In-Reply-To: <3B6327DC.282CED87@mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Terry Lambert wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > remove TC support. > > > > > > By all means. Let's run on less hardware. > > > > No, no, no. Let's limit our support to that which we're likely to have. > > Or... Let's limit what we're likely to have to what we support. > > > > Or, another way to put it- if *you* have TC units and want to support them, > > far out! Please do! > > Let's not chase away someone who might take you up on your > offer in the future by deleting the existing code today. > > What does diking out the code buy you, apart from less code > in a checked out source tree, a bigger Attic, and a large > CVSsup/CTM delta for everyone to have to swallow? A clearer statement of what we can support. In some sense this is a silly discussion. The entire platform is now legacy. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 14:12: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (sat.dis.org [216.240.44.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EB037B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6SLDXJ02660; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200107282113.f6SLDXJ02660@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: tlambert2@mindspring.com Cc: mjacob@feral.com, Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: Removing support for TurboChannel machines from -current In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:00:12 PDT." <3B6327DC.282CED87@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 14:13:32 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Let's not chase away someone who might take you up on your > offer in the future by deleting the existing code today. I disagree here. I'd much rather chase these hypothetical individuals away, or at least offer them a more useful and relevant alternative. > What does diking out the code buy you, apart from less code > in a checked out source tree, a bigger Attic, and a large > CVSsup/CTM delta for everyone to have to swallow? It takes away the "moral high ground" perceived by persons such as yourself to perpetuate support for, or argue against changes which prejudice, obsolete, unused and irrelevant hardware. We don't support the TC machines. It's foolish to pretend otherwise, and simply makes for distractions at various levels. The code should go. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 19:16:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from borg-cube.com (226-193.adsl2.netlojix.net [207.71.226.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B50237B403 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Received: from alpha (alpha.collective.borg-cube.com [192.168.0.7]) by borg-cube.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f6T2GGo02305 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dburr@borg-cube.com) Message-ID: <000f01c117d4$7099fc90$0700a8c0@collective.borgcube.com> From: "Donald Burr of Borg" To: "FreeBSD Alpha Mailing List" Subject: Installing FreeBSD on an AlphaPC 164LX - Alpha newbie needs help Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 19:16:13 -0700 Organization: The Borg Cube - Resistance is Futile! http://www.borg-cube.com/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I posted this message to -questions earlier. It was suggested that I also post this message to the freebsd-alpha list (which I did not know existed) because there would be a greater possibility of someone being able to help me here (since Alphas are a rather unusual beast). Any and all help/assistance/advice/etc. is greatly appreciated. While cleaning out an equipment room at work, I found a fun new toy to play with: an Aspen Systems Durango AlphaPC 164LX system. (DEC 21164, 533 MHz) It's got NT installed on it right now. This is totally unacceptable -- I'd like to get FreeBSD going on this beastie ASAP! So I downloaded the 4.3 Alpha ISO image and have been reading through the text files on it. They have been pretty helpful, but I still have some questions on the procedure. Though I am very familiar with FreeBSD on x86 (and I am familiar with the x86 architecture), I know next to nothing about Alphas. Hopefully tehre are some folks out there who've been through it, and can assist me with some advice. The FreeBSD/alpha HARDWARE.TXT file, however, mentions * I am pretty sure that my particular machine is compatible with FreeBSD. (I see "PC164LX" as listed as being compatible in HARDWARE.TXT) Is anyone successfully running FreeBSD on one of these beasts? How does it perform? * This machine currently has the AlphaBIOS firmware on it (is this the same as ARC?) I understand that I will need SRM in order to boot/install FreeBSD. I am kind of leery of flashing my BIOS, and I would like to be able to go back to AlphaBIOS if I ever want to run NT on this machine. (This machine came from a 3-D shop, and thus the NT drive has a whole bunch of nifty 3-D modeling, animation, etc. software on it, which I may want to play with at some point down the line.) The FreeBSD/alpha INSTALL.TXT file mentions: In some cases, it is possible to switch between AlphaBIOS (or ARC) firmware and SRM. Is this possible with my hardware? If so, how do I set it up? If not, then I guess I will have to flash to an SRM image. If I do this, is it possible to flash back to AlphaBIOS if I should ever desire to? Or is it possible to somehow boot WinNT from within SRM? * It currently has a Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro video card in it. This card, I believe, uses the 3DLabs GLINT chipset. How well is this supported by XFree86? Whieh version should I use (3.x or 4.x?) * This machine has an "DECchip 21140" 10/100 ethernet controller on it. I believe it should work with the FreeBSD "dc" driver? (or was that the "de" driver?) * Windows NT has this nifty little software called "FX!32" that lets you run Windows NT/x86 binaries on the Alpha. I *believe* that there is a similar piece of software available for Linux/alpha. What about FreeBSD? NetBSD? Anyway, thanks in advance for whatever advise you can offer, and please excuse these questions from an Alpha newbie. Thanks all! Donald Burr of Borg | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! WWW: http://www.borg-cube.com/ ICQ #16997506 | http://www.freebsd.org/ P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 \----------------------------- Phone: (805)957-9666 Present Day... Present Time! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 28 23:10:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E6137B401 for ; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:10:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6T6AeI40219; Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:10:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 23:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Donald Burr of Borg Cc: FreeBSD Alpha Mailing List Subject: Re: Installing FreeBSD on an AlphaPC 164LX - Alpha newbie needs help In-Reply-To: <000f01c117d4$7099fc90$0700a8c0@collective.borgcube.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If your ARC has the entry soemthing like (I'm going from memory) "Switch to Other Operating System"- try and do that. You need to switch to SRM support. That's not the same as ARC/AlphaBIOS. I also got a similar machine to yours from EBay- I found it reasonable to reflash SRM into it when it didn't have it. The 21140 is supported by the 'de' driver. I haven't a clue about the gracphics card. FX!32- I dunno either. On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Donald Burr of Borg wrote: > I posted this message to -questions earlier. It was suggested that I also > post this message to the freebsd-alpha list (which I did not know existed) > because there would be a greater possibility of someone being able to help > me here (since Alphas are a rather unusual beast). Any and all > help/assistance/advice/etc. is greatly appreciated. > > While cleaning out an equipment room at work, I found a fun new toy to play > with: an Aspen Systems Durango AlphaPC 164LX system. (DEC 21164, 533 MHz) > > It's got NT installed on it right now. This is totally unacceptable -- I'd > like to get FreeBSD going on this beastie ASAP! So I downloaded the 4.3 > Alpha ISO image and have been reading through the text files on it. They > have been pretty helpful, but I still have some questions on the procedure. > Though I am very familiar with FreeBSD on x86 (and I am familiar with the > x86 architecture), I know next to nothing about Alphas. Hopefully tehre are > some folks out there who've been through it, and can assist me with some > advice. The FreeBSD/alpha HARDWARE.TXT file, however, mentions > > * I am pretty sure that my particular machine is compatible with FreeBSD. > (I see "PC164LX" as listed as being compatible in HARDWARE.TXT) Is anyone > successfully running FreeBSD on one of these beasts? How does it perform? > > * This machine currently has the AlphaBIOS firmware on it (is this the same > as ARC?) I understand that I will need SRM in order to boot/install > FreeBSD. I am kind of leery of flashing my BIOS, and I would like to be > able to go back to AlphaBIOS if I ever want to run NT on this machine. > (This machine came from a 3-D shop, and thus the NT drive has a whole bunch > of nifty 3-D modeling, animation, etc. software on it, which I may want to > play with at some point down the line.) > > The FreeBSD/alpha INSTALL.TXT file mentions: > In some cases, it is possible to switch between AlphaBIOS (or ARC) > firmware and SRM. > > Is this possible with my hardware? If so, how do I set it up? > > If not, then I guess I will have to flash to an SRM image. If I do this, is > it possible to flash back to AlphaBIOS if I should ever desire to? Or is it > possible to somehow boot WinNT from within SRM? > > * It currently has a Diamond Fire GL 1000 Pro video card in it. This card, > I believe, uses the 3DLabs GLINT chipset. How well is this supported by > XFree86? Whieh version should I use (3.x or 4.x?) > > * This machine has an "DECchip 21140" 10/100 ethernet controller on it. I > believe it should work with the FreeBSD "dc" driver? (or was that the "de" > driver?) > > * Windows NT has this nifty little software called "FX!32" that lets you run > Windows NT/x86 binaries on the Alpha. I *believe* that there is a similar > piece of software available for Linux/alpha. What about FreeBSD? NetBSD? > > Anyway, thanks in advance for whatever advise you can offer, and please > excuse these questions from an Alpha newbie. Thanks all! > > Donald Burr of Borg | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! > WWW: http://www.borg-cube.com/ ICQ #16997506 | http://www.freebsd.org/ > P.O. Box 91212, Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1212 \----------------------------- > Phone: (805)957-9666 Present Day... Present Time! > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message