From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 7:40:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CFA37B40F for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 07:40:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from e_URL@ihug.co.nz) Received: from smtp.ihug.co.nz (203-173-247-12.nzwide.ihug.co.nz [203.173.247.12]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id CAA25191 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 02:40:10 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host 203-173-247-12.nzwide.ihug.co.nz [203.173.247.12] claimed to be smtp.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <997626880.980@ihug.co.nz> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 02:34:40 -1200 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: e_URL@ihug.co.nz (DoS Research) Subject: Denial of Service Research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir/Madam Our names are Leon Shu and John Zheng. We are students at the UNITEC Institute of Technology (New Zealand), and currently working on a DoS/DDoS (Denial of service) research project, as required for our degree. For this project we conduct research on the analysis of the DoS/DDoS technologies and threats, as well as anti DoS/DDoS tools. As part of this research, we found your email on your web site. You could be of great help to us if you could fill out our on-line survey, which we have prepared for this project. In return, we will email you the summarised outcome of the project if you do provide your email address in the survey form. Please find the survey here: http://hyperdisc.unitec.ac.nz/dos_research/ the information you give us will be analysed and results will be presented in an anonymous, generic form. Please let us assure you that all your information will remain strictly confidential. Thank you very much for assisting us! if you need to contact us, please email to e_URL@hotmail.com Yours faithfully Leon & John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 15:19:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD11B37B401 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:19:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7CMJBH05580; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:19:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:19:11 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Matthew Jacob , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010812151911.D5339@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010811203122.C23141@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010811211840.B29470@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010811211840.B29470@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 09:18:40PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 09:18:40PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > But in the meantime: > > ===> usr.bin/fetch > install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 fetch /R/usr/bin > ===> usr.bin/file > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 magic magic.mgc > /usr/src/usr.bin/file/../../contrib/file/magic.mime magic.mime.mgc > /R/usr/share/misc > install: magic.mgc: No such file or directory > *** Error code 71 Did you build -NOCLEAN or something? -curren or releng4? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 17:31:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B5937B41B for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:31:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7D0VRI65144; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:31:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bernd Walter Cc: Wilko Bulte , Andrew Gallatin , Jens Arnfast , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem In-Reply-To: <20010811220519.B4304@cicely20.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Regular loader stuff from UFS works- I've done installworlds. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 17:35:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C732337B401; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7D0ZHI65232; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:35:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:35:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Mike Smith Cc: Wilko Bulte , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem In-Reply-To: <200108112036.f7BKaOb01384@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 11 Aug 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > ok load /kernel > > > > don't know how to load module '/kernel.ko' > > > > > > > > This smells an awful lot like too much got MFC'ed. > > > > > > Are we talking just cdboot? Or loader in general? > > > > > > As one datapoint, I built/installed a world cvsup'ed > > > at 9:53am EDT today, and am seeing no problems with /boot/loader > > > > > > Perhaps one of the many forth files that doesn't get installed every > > > time is to blame. > > > > Did you boot from CD? > > Did anyone read my bloody reply to Terry on this topic? Gee, Mike. I stopped after the "stop thinking line" which was the first. Sorry- I should have assumed that there'd be more than flamebait after that :-). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 22:56:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EEA37B40B; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:56:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07271; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:56:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7D5u3f34938; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:56:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:56:03 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Matthew Jacob , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010813075603.A34913@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010811203122.C23141@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010811211840.B29470@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010812151911.D5339@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010812151911.D5339@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 03:19:11PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 03:19:11PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 09:18:40PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > But in the meantime: > > > > ===> usr.bin/fetch > > install -c -s -o root -g wheel -m 555 fetch /R/usr/bin > > ===> usr.bin/file > > install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 magic magic.mgc > > /usr/src/usr.bin/file/../../contrib/file/magic.mime magic.mime.mgc > > /R/usr/share/misc > > install: magic.mgc: No such file or directory > > *** Error code 71 > > Did you build -NOCLEAN or something? -curren or releng4? RELENG_4. But a fresh make buildworld/make release gave a fresh release. [only takes forever, even on a PWS600] -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 23:15:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0137C37B40B; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA08378; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:15:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7D6FLX35024; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:15:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:15:21 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010813081521.A34999@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010811101541.F20950@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200108112036.f7BKaOb01384@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108112036.f7BKaOb01384@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:36:24PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 11, 2001 at 01:36:24PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > ok load /kernel > > > > don't know how to load module '/kernel.ko' > > > > > > > > This smells an awful lot like too much got MFC'ed. > > > > > > Are we talking just cdboot? Or loader in general? > > > > > > As one datapoint, I built/installed a world cvsup'ed > > > at 9:53am EDT today, and am seeing no problems with /boot/loader > > > > > > Perhaps one of the many forth files that doesn't get installed every > > > time is to blame. > > > > Did you boot from CD? > > Did anyone read my bloody reply to Terry on this topic? > > The problem here is that what the loader is reading out of the file is > wrong. The ELF code in the loader is rejecting the read data. Wilko has > confirmed that the CD itself is fine. > > Huston, we have a loader filesystem problem... > > Please, try using 'more' in the loader to read a large (>8k) text > document from somewhere; one of the loader's 4th files would do it. Make > sure it looks right. OK, I tried: 'more' on src/checksum.md5 I don't see any anomalies in the display of more. ok ls -l src src 15344 CHECKSUM.MD5 772 INSTALL.SH -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 23:20:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825C737B40E; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:20:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7D6Ns203390; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200108130623.f7D6Ns203390@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Mike Smith , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:15:21 +0200." <20010813081521.A34999@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:23:54 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Please, try using 'more' in the loader to read a large (>8k) text > > document from somewhere; one of the loader's 4th files would do it. Make > > sure it looks right. > > OK, I tried: > > 'more' on src/checksum.md5 > > I don't see any anomalies in the display of more. Ok. Next step, put some diagnostics in sys/boot/common/load_elf.c:elf_loadfile(), every place that it returns nonzero, print out a unique message. If you can, have a look at the reason it's returning nonzero and print out the significant items there. This should help narrow things down a bit further. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Aug 12 23:22: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E186937B40A for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:22:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7D6Pd203409 for ; Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:25:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200108130625.f7D6Pd203409@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4100 bootstrap problem... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:25:39 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Whoops, I should have added; once you've patched the loader code, build a new set of loaders (make && make install in /sys/boot, copy them from /boot) and stick the relevant cdboot into your ISO staging area and re-roll the ISO again. Thanks! -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 13 6:43: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF1C537B405; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20029; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f7DDgOJ37535; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:42:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15223.55616.47669.791516@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 09:42:24 -0400 (EDT) To: wilko@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4100 bootstrap problem... In-Reply-To: <200108130625.f7D6Pd203409@mass.dis.org> References: <200108130625.f7D6Pd203409@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike Smith writes: > > Whoops, I should have added; once you've patched the loader code, build a > new set of loaders (make && make install in /sys/boot, copy them from /boot) > and stick the relevant cdboot into your ISO staging area and re-roll the > ISO again. You might also try building kern.flp as an ISO image & using cdboot on it rather than loader -- this should allow you to turn around an floppy image in a few minutes rather than a large fraction of an hour for a cdrw blank/record cycle. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 13 10:26:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C9237B408; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:26:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10529; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:26:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7DHQcN36416; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:26:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 19:26:38 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010813192638.A36352@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010813081521.A34999@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200108130623.f7D6Ns203390@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108130623.f7D6Ns203390@mass.dis.org>; from msmith@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 11:23:54PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 11:23:54PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > Please, try using 'more' in the loader to read a large (>8k) text > > > document from somewhere; one of the loader's 4th files would do it. Make > > > sure it looks right. > > > > OK, I tried: > > > > 'more' on src/checksum.md5 > > > > I don't see any anomalies in the display of more. > > Ok. Next step, put some diagnostics in > sys/boot/common/load_elf.c:elf_loadfile(), every place that it returns Is this the correct function? I don't seem to have it. Might it be you mean: /* * Attempt to load the file (file) as an ELF module. It will be stored at * (dest), and a pointer to a module structure describing the loaded object * will be saved in (result). */ int elf_loadmodule(char *filename, vm_offset_t dest, struct loaded_module **result) > nonzero, print out a unique message. If you can, have a look at the > reason it's returning nonzero and print out the significant items there. > > This should help narrow things down a bit further. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Aug 13 15:52:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009D637B407 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7DMqMI58571 for ; Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:52:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: Subject: so long, folks... Message-ID: <20010813155018.B63778-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For a variety of reasons, I cannot even give what little time I have available to the FreeBSD alpha port. It's just as well- I haven't been as nearly effective as I would have liked, and too many issues with lack of communication and working together have made it finally just too unpleasant to even be involved at a trivial level. So- I'm taking myself off this list. Good bye and good luck to you all. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 14 11: 7:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBD3237B407 for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:07:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22773; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f7EI6iW48761; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:06:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15225.26803.964944.387949@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:06:43 -0400 (EDT) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "webmaster@ah-online.com" , Bruce Dang Subject: Re: mount ext2 In-Reply-To: <3B74B545.374A51A0@home.com> References: <3B22CF04.B2D645E0@ah-online.com> <3B74B545.374A51A0@home.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FWIW, I just backported mjacob's ext2fs alpha support from -current and it appears to work. I've only lightly tested it, but everything I've tried seems to work. It should be present in 4.4-RELEASE. Cheers, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 14 15:13: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 180BB37B40C; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA29701; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:12:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7EMCbZ41199; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:12:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:12:37 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010815001237.B41154@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010813081521.A34999@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200108130623.f7D6Ns203390@mass.dis.org> <20010813192638.A36352@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010813192638.A36352@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 07:26:38PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Aug 13, 2001 at 07:26:38PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2001 at 11:23:54PM -0700, Mike Smith wrote: > > > > Please, try using 'more' in the loader to read a large (>8k) text > > > > document from somewhere; one of the loader's 4th files would do it. Make > > > > sure it looks right. > > > > > > OK, I tried: > > > > > > 'more' on src/checksum.md5 > > > > > > I don't see any anomalies in the display of more. > > > > Ok. Next step, put some diagnostics in > > sys/boot/common/load_elf.c:elf_loadfile(), every place that it returns > > Is this the correct function? I don't seem to have it. Might it be you > mean: > > /* > * Attempt to load the file (file) as an ELF module. It will be stored at > * (dest), and a pointer to a module structure describing the loaded object > * will be saved in (result). > */ > int > elf_loadmodule(char *filename, vm_offset_t dest, struct loaded_module > **result) In the meantime I ran a number of new experiments: - boot from floppy, using the same 'make release' as for the CD: Just Works - take the 4.3R cdboot and stick that on the CD instead of the one which was 'make released' out of 4.4-PRERELEASE source. This does not work as in: FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 0.1 (jkh@beast.freebsd.org, Mon Mar 20 21:08:56 GMT 2000) Memory: 65536 k > echo \007\007 > autoboot 10 Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel]... can't load 'kernel' autoboot: no bootable kernel | Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. This experiment I ran because the only thing Matt MFC-ed was the multiple prom-open in cdboot. I was somehow expecting a cdboot dependency. It seems that assumption was false. So.. it looks like we can safely assume it is the loader alright. But only when started from CD/cdboot. I have put printf()s in elf_loadmodule like: /* * Open the image, read and validate the ELF header */ if (filename == NULL) /* can't handle nameless */ { printf ("elf_loadmodule: filename\n"); return(EFTYPE); } printf ("elf_loadmodule: filename= %s\n",filename); if ((fd = open(filename, O_RDONLY)) == -1) { printf ("elf_loadmodule: cannot open\n"); return(errno); } firstpage = malloc(PAGE_SIZE); if (firstpage == NULL) { printf ("elf_loadmodule: malloc\n"); return(ENOMEM); } firstlen = read(fd, firstpage, PAGE_SIZE); if (firstlen <= sizeof(ehdr)) { printf ("elf_loadmodule: readlen\n"); err = EFTYPE; /* could be EIO, but may be small file */ goto oerr; } /* Is it ELF? */ if (!IS_ELF(*ehdr)) { printf ("elf_loadmodule: iself\n"); err = EFTYPE; goto oerr; } if (ehdr->e_ident[EI_CLASS] != ELF_TARG_CLASS || /* Layout ? */ ehdr->e_ident[EI_DATA] != ELF_TARG_DATA || ehdr->e_ident[EI_VERSION] != EV_CURRENT || /* Version ? */ ehdr->e_version != EV_CURRENT || ehdr->e_machine != ELF_TARG_MACH) { /* Machine ? */ printf ("elf_loadmodule: eftype1\n"); err = EFTYPE; goto oerr; } /* * Check to see what sort of module we are. */ kmp = mod_findmodule(NULL, NULL); if (ehdr->e_type == ET_DYN) { /* Looks like a kld module */ if (kmp == NULL) { printf("elf_loadmodule: can't load module before kernel\n"); err = EPERM; goto oerr; } if (strcmp(elf_kerneltype, kmp->m_type)) { printf("elf_loadmodule: can't load module with kernel type '%s'\n", kmp->m_type); err = EPERM; goto oerr; } /* Looks OK, got ahead */ kernel = 0; /* Page-align the load address */ pad = (u_int)dest & PAGE_MASK; if (pad != 0) { dest += pad; } } else if (ehdr->e_type == ET_EXEC) { /* Looks like a kernel */ if (kmp != NULL) { printf("elf_loadmodule: kernel already loaded\n"); err = EPERM; goto oerr; } /* * Calculate destination address based on kernel entrypoint */ dest = (vm_offset_t) ehdr->e_entry; if (dest == 0) { printf("elf_loadmodule: not a kernel (maybe static binary?)\n"); err = EPERM; goto oerr; } kernel = 1; } else { But it does not seem to trigger a printf. So.. where to go from here? Suggestions welcomed. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 14 19:13:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6186437B407; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:13:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7F2Djh31019; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:13:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:13:45 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Mike Smith , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010814191345.B25060@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010813081521.A34999@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200108130623.f7D6Ns203390@mass.dis.org> <20010813192638.A36352@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815001237.B41154@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010815001237.B41154@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:12:37AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:12:37AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > So.. where to go from here? Suggestions welcomed. Can you verify that `cdboot' still works in -current? There may be more bits we need to MFC. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Aug 14 23:17:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2340137B40E; Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16651; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:17:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7F6HGw42828; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:17:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 08:17:16 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Mike Smith , Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: AlphaServer 4100 boot/install problem Message-ID: <20010815081716.B42753@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010813081521.A34999@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200108130623.f7D6Ns203390@mass.dis.org> <20010813192638.A36352@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815001237.B41154@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814191345.B25060@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010814191345.B25060@dragon.nuxi.com>; from dev-null@NUXI.com on Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 07:13:45PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 07:13:45PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:12:37AM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > So.. where to go from here? Suggestions welcomed. > > Can you verify that `cdboot' still works in -current? I will have to build a -current, but that will take (substantial) time. And adding a disk to the Miata. > There may be more bits we need to MFC. Hmm.. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 2:30:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A31937B40A for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:30:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7F9YR409421; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:34:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200108150934.f7F9YR409421@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: so long, folks... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Aug 2001 15:52:08 PDT." <20010813155018.B63778-100000@wonky.feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 02:34:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > So- I'm taking myself off this list. Good bye and good luck to you all. Thanks for all your help, Matt. So long, and good luck yourself! -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 10:58:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C669937B40B for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7FHwlu41156 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:58:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:58:47 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Message-ID: <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:14:58PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:14:58PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > That assumes it will work using that binary. In my experience it did not, > but I would like somebody else to try it as well. I just uudecoded the > .gz.uue 4.0-cdboot and stuck it into the .iso. Almost sounds like you didn gunzip it and rename it to `cdboot'. > No luck, I got > a invalid stack error (IIRC). Q: is it really true that the 4.0cdboot > uudecoded from the repo is so much smaller than either the one from > 4.3R or a RELENG_4 build? 60 versus 180 kB or so? 96135 Aug 15 10:56 cdboot-4.0R.gz.uu 69690 Aug 15 10:56 cdboot (gziped but w/o .gz extention) 181856 Aug 15 10:57 cdboot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 13: 7: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC2B37B496; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00657; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:06:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7FK6rA45085; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:06:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:06:53 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Message-ID: <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:58:47AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:58:47AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:14:58PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > That assumes it will work using that binary. In my experience it did not, > > but I would like somebody else to try it as well. I just uudecoded the > > .gz.uue 4.0-cdboot and stuck it into the .iso. > > Almost sounds like you didn gunzip it and rename it to `cdboot'. Sh* it comes out as cdboot automatically but it is gzipped. Didn't notice that. > > No luck, I got > > a invalid stack error (IIRC). Q: is it really true that the 4.0cdboot > > uudecoded from the repo is so much smaller than either the one from > > 4.3R or a RELENG_4 build? 60 versus 180 kB or so? > > 96135 Aug 15 10:56 cdboot-4.0R.gz.uu > 69690 Aug 15 10:56 cdboot (gziped but w/o .gz extention) -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 69690 Aug 15 22:02 cdboot -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 96139 Aug 14 22:21 cdboot-4.0R.gz.uu your .uu is 4 bytes smaller than mine? In any case cdboot is now exactly the same size (because it is the same ;-) as cdboot on the 4.3R cd. OK, will try that. W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 13:42:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25BD37B417; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:42:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA20011; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:42:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7FKgMR45392; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:42:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:42:22 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Message-ID: <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:06:53PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:06:53PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:58:47AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 07:14:58PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > That assumes it will work using that binary. In my experience it did not, > > > but I would like somebody else to try it as well. I just uudecoded the > > > .gz.uue 4.0-cdboot and stuck it into the .iso. > > > > Almost sounds like you didn gunzip it and rename it to `cdboot'. > > Sh* it comes out as cdboot automatically but it is gzipped. Didn't notice > that. > > > > No luck, I got > > > a invalid stack error (IIRC). Q: is it really true that the 4.0cdboot > > > uudecoded from the repo is so much smaller than either the one from > > > 4.3R or a RELENG_4 build? 60 versus 180 kB or so? > > > > 96135 Aug 15 10:56 cdboot-4.0R.gz.uu > > 69690 Aug 15 10:56 cdboot (gziped but w/o .gz extention) > > -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 69690 Aug 15 22:02 cdboot > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 96139 Aug 14 22:21 cdboot-4.0R.gz.uu > > your .uu is 4 bytes smaller than mine? > > In any case cdboot is now exactly the same size (because it is the same ;-) > as cdboot on the 4.3R cd. > > OK, will try that. FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 0.1 (jkh@beast.freebsd.org, Mon Mar 20 21:08:56 GMT 2000) Memory: 65536 k > echo \007\007 > autoboot 10 Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel]... can't load 'kernel' autoboot: no bootable kernel | Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. ok So it is not cdboot's fault. [BTW: I think I ran this experiment before] -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 13:48:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CE437B406; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23716; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f7FKlcx00578; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:47:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:47:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "David O'Brien" , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c In-Reply-To: <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I admit it, the release process is a mystery to me. Can somebody point me to the makefile or script that generates the iso image? FWIW, I made a simple iso image of /boot/cdboot /kernel.gz and dd'ed it onto a floppy. The loader started loading the kernel (I didn't bother to wait for it to finish). So I'm wondering if something about the iso creation options have changed & that's what's screwing us... Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 13:58:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2326137B403 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7FKw4Y04365; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:58:03 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Wilko Bulte , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Message-ID: <20010815135803.A3998@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:37PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:37PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > I admit it, the release process is a mystery to me. > Can somebody point me to the makefile or script that generates the iso > image? Get src/release/Makefile revision 1.632 and use `make iso'. I'll see if I'm allowed to MFC it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 14: 0:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B724F37B40D; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16142; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7FL0JB45597; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:19 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: "David O'Brien" , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Message-ID: <20010815230019.A45562@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:37PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:37PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I admit it, the release process is a mystery to me. > Can somebody point me to the makefile or script that generates the iso > image? I use /usr/share/examples/worm/makecdfs.sh and run it with the right arguments. On the resulting .iso you need to run setcdboot (from ports) > FWIW, I made a simple iso image of /boot/cdboot /kernel.gz and dd'ed > it onto a floppy. The loader started loading the kernel (I didn't > bother to wait for it to finish). So I'm wondering if something about > the iso creation options have changed & that's what's screwing us... It is a manual process. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 14: 0:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D9337B411; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA16214; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7FL0tQ45607; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:00:55 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Message-ID: <20010815230055.B45562@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010815135803.A3998@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010815135803.A3998@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 01:58:03PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 01:58:03PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:37PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I admit it, the release process is a mystery to me. > > Can somebody point me to the makefile or script that generates the iso > > image? > > Get src/release/Makefile revision 1.632 and use `make iso'. > I'll see if I'm allowed to MFC it. Neat idea. Does it include setcdboot (I have to cvsup to check it). -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 14:17:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA9D37B403 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:17:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24549; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f7FLH9Y04700; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:17:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15226.59093.513282.69875@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:17:09 -0400 (EDT) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c In-Reply-To: <20010815230055.B45562@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20010815135803.A3998@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815230055.B45562@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 01:58:03PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:37PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > I admit it, the release process is a mystery to me. > > > Can somebody point me to the makefile or script that generates the iso > > > image? > > > > Get src/release/Makefile revision 1.632 and use `make iso'. > > I'll see if I'm allowed to MFC it. > > Neat idea. Does it include setcdboot (I have to cvsup to check it). You can just use cvsweb .. and yes, it appears to include setcdboot. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Aug 15 14:21:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C425137B445; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:21:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@[147.11.46.201]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03259; Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <15226.57321.907167.927622@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Cc: FreeBSD-alpha mailing list , "David O'Brien" , Wilko Bulte Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15-Aug-01 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > I admit it, the release process is a mystery to me. > Can somebody point me to the makefile or script that generates the iso > image? > > FWIW, I made a simple iso image of /boot/cdboot /kernel.gz and dd'ed > it onto a floppy. The loader started loading the kernel (I didn't > bother to wait for it to finish). So I'm wondering if something about > the iso creation options have changed & that's what's screwing us... > > Drew I've got a 'buildrelease' script in my homedir on freefall (possibly in public_html/scripts/) that has extra options that allow it to build ISO images. You basically just run mkisofs with the right options. However, the boot options for x86 for El Torito stuff don't apply to the alpha. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 0: 8:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ABD37B414; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:08:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (dialup-209.244.105.125.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.244.105.125]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11316; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B7B7187.B104E36@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:08:55 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "David O'Brien" , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/alpha/alpha busdma_machdep.c References: <200108142156.f7ELurE44643@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010815001633.A41207@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010814185812.A24409@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815191458.A44230@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815105847.A41018@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010815220653.C45023@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010815224222.B45357@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. > Booting [kernel]... > can't load 'kernel' > autoboot: no bootable kernel > | > > Type '?' for a list of commands, 'help' for more detailed help. > ok > > So it is not cdboot's fault. > > [BTW: I think I ran this experiment before] I don't see any of the non-conditionalized printf() calls from your previous email of the calls you inserted. This indicates to me that you are either running old code, or you aren't even getting to the attempt to load the elf module at all... If you can, try sprinkling printf calls throughout the early boot code ("here 1\n", "here 2\n", etc.), and let us know what happens then. Thanks, -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 6:36:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from father.foo.fh-furtwangen.de (father.foo.fh-furtwangen.de [141.28.64.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A4037B403 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:36:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schroer@foo.fh-furtwangen.de) Received: from foo.fh-furtwangen.de (timbuktu.foo.fh-furtwangen.de [141.28.64.6]) by father.foo.fh-furtwangen.de (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA12914; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:36:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3B7BCC56.BC963F6D@foo.fh-furtwangen.de> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:36:22 +0200 From: Thorsten Schroer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; OSF1 V5.1 alpha) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: installation problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i'm trying to install freebsd 4.3 on an alpha dec 3000 m400 machine. first i tried it directly from the boot-cd. doesnt work. i learned that it can only be installed diskless. now i use tru64, the only os that works on this beast, for setting up a freeBSD-boot- and/or installationserver. i have 9 more dec-stations to install freebsd on :) so i thought the first one as a server might be helpful. but i dont get it. it doesnt work. there are no executable files on the cd. nothing to copy. no file-system that i can use for a bootserver. please help me by sending some ideas, hints or links that help me finding the solution ! THANKS IN ADVANCE, YOURS THORSTEN . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 14: 7:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD78637B407 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7GL7dK01548 for alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:07:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:07:39 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: today's kernel + JHB's trap.c patch is *evil* Message-ID: <20010816140739.A1538@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! fatal kernel trap: trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) cpuid = 0 faulting va = 0x0 type = access violation cause = load instructon pc = 0xfffffc00003c3814 ra = 0xfffffc00003a8528 sp = 0xfffffe001c7a5dd8 usp = 0x11ffbd90 curproc = 0xfffffe001c79bbe0 pid = 1, comm = init panic: spin lock sched lock held by 0xfffffe001c79bbe0 for > 5 seconds cpuid = 1; boot() called on cpu#1 syncing disks... done To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 16:29:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1BC37B405; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@[147.11.46.201]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA05662; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010816140739.A1538@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: "David O'Brien" Subject: RE: today's kernel + JHB's trap.c patch is *evil* Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16-Aug-01 David O'Brien wrote: > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > > fatal kernel trap: > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) > cpuid = 0 > faulting va = 0x0 NULL pointer deref. > type = access violation > cause = load instructon > pc = 0xfffffc00003c3814 Do you have a debug kernel? If so, can you do 'gdb -k kernel.debug' and then do 'l *0xfffffc00003c3814'? > panic: spin lock sched lock held by 0xfffffe001c79bbe0 for > 5 seconds > cpuid = 1; boot() called on cpu#1 This is probably a side effect of the earlier check, but it isn't supposed to happen. 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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C126B5.B3E52700-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 21:13:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4.ihug.co.nz (smtp4.ihug.co.nz [203.109.252.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C5A37B403 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anru@ihug.co.nz) Received: from smtp.ihug.co.nz (p406-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.152]) by smtp4.ihug.co.nz (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with SMTP id QAA11276 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:13:17 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host p406-apx1.akl.ihug.co.nz [203.173.193.152] claimed to be smtp.ihug.co.nz Message-Id: <998021574.420@ihug.co.nz> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:12:54 1200 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: anru@ihug.co.nz (John Zheng) Subject: Denial of Service Research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sir/Madam My name is John Zheng. I sent this email to you a couple days ago to invite you to my on-line survey. This is a friendly reminder in case you missed out the previous one because the web server was affected due to a power failure 2 days ago. I promise I won't bother you again! We are students at the UNITEC Institute of Technology (New Zealand), and currently working on a DoS/DDoS (Denial of service) research project, as required for our degree. For this project we conduct research on the analysis of the DoS/DDoS technologies and threats, as well as anti DoS/DDoS tools. As part of this research, we found your email on the internet. You could be of great help to us if you could fill out our on-line survey, which we have prepared for this project. In return, we will email you the summarized outcome of the project if you do provide your email address in the survey form. 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If you need to contact us, please email to e_URL@hotmail.com Best Regards Leon & John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 21:52:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8810C37B401; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7H4qYp05836; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:52:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:52:34 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Baldwin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: today's kernel + JHB's trap.c patch is *evil* Message-ID: <20010816215234.A5722@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <20010816140739.A1538@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jhb@FreeBSD.org on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 04:29:27PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 04:29:27PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a > > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! > > > > fatal kernel trap: > > > > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) > > cpuid = 0 > > faulting va = 0x0 > > NULL pointer deref. > > > type = access violation > > cause = load instructon > > pc = 0xfffffc00003c3814 > > Do you have a debug kernel? If so, can you do 'gdb -k kernel.debug' and then > do 'l *0xfffffc00003c3814'? 0xfffffc00003c3814 is in _mtx_unlock_sleep (../../../kern/kern_mutex.c:492). 487 488 p1 = TAILQ_FIRST(&m->mtx_blocked); 489 MPASS(p->p_magic == P_MAGIC); 490 MPASS(p1->p_magic == P_MAGIC); 491 492 TAILQ_REMOVE(&m->mtx_blocked, p1, p_procq); 493 494 if (TAILQ_EMPTY(&m->mtx_blocked)) { 495 LIST_REMOVE(m, mtx_contested); 496 _release_lock_quick(m); To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 21:58:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4889037B401 for ; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7H4w8f05897 for alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:58:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:58:07 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010816215807.B5722@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org With another 3 hours spent chasing panics and bad kernels today (on top of the lost weeks since May), I am no longer willing to keep the toolchain up to date for the Alpha platform. We simply have no developers running -current on Alpha hardware anymore. Sorry, but Alpha has just become too much of a dead platform as far as FreeBSD goes it seems. . -|- | .-'~~~`-. .' `. | R I P | | | | A X P | \\| |// ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Aug 16 23:19:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAD237B405; Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:19:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA07216; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:19:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f7H6JTx02956; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:19:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:19:29 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20010816215807.B5722@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010816215807.B5722@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:58:07PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:58:07PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: Great. Just great. With one halfbaked CPU port after the other sprouting out of the project the one single port that *works* [sortof] is being nuked by x86-centric developments. Maybe it is about time to *think* instead of hacking away blindly. If this whole blindness is not changed into something more productive we might as well throw the ppc, arm, sparc fledgling ports in the can here and now. [Yes, I'm pissed. And no, this is not a stab at David] Wilko > With another 3 hours spent chasing panics and bad kernels today (on top > of the lost weeks since May), I am no longer willing to keep the > toolchain up to date for the Alpha platform. > > We simply have no developers running -current on Alpha hardware anymore. > Sorry, but Alpha has just become too much of a dead platform as far as > FreeBSD goes it seems. > . > -|- > | > .-'~~~`-. > .' `. > | R I P | > | | > | A X P | > \\| |// > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 1:12: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.14.150.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A4B37B40B; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7H8BlM51483; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEEA3811; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current In-Reply-To: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:11:47 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 09:58:07PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > > Great. Just great. With one halfbaked CPU port after the other sprouting > out of the project the one single port that *works* [sortof] is being nuked > by x86-centric developments. Maybe it is about time to *think* instead > of hacking away blindly. If this whole blindness is not changed into > something more productive we might as well throw the ppc, arm, sparc > fledgling ports in the can here and now. > > [Yes, I'm pissed. And no, this is not a stab at David] Before everybody gets all bent out of shape over this, lets make an extra effort to stay constructive rather than going off into the weeds where it does nobody any good. All is not lost yet. Lets go over a couple of key things.. - Whether we like it or not, i386 is our reference platform. By definition there is going to be a general trend of i386 things happening first and the other platforms catching up. Yes, we can make effort to minimize this, but realistically, it is going to happen to some degree. Yes, this is i386-centric, yes it sucks, but sheer inertia will keep it happening. This is leading to the true measure of the viability of a port to platform X - ie: Are there sufficient people using that platform who are prepared to dive in and help keep that platform up to date with i386? Are there enough people with sufficient knowledge to dive in when hairy problems turn up? and so on. Yelling at a committer because they did something for x86 and forgot platform X does not achieve much except cause wear and tear. Things will get done much more effectively if people help rather than criticize. Yes, we have some fearless souls who slog through this stuff, but they cannot do everything. - There are going to be alpha boxes around for another year so so. The hardware is viable for a while more yet. The problem is developer time. Right now, we are at the regular FreeBSD late summer doldrums and we usually have a slowdown anyway. Combine that with the fact that we have a real bleeding-edge -current and nobody is even pretending that we're going to try and call it "-stable" for another 6 months at least, and we end up with even less people hanging on for the ride on -alpha-current. Dont forget, we're in the middle of major architectural turmoil and the core infrastructure is bumpy as hell right now. I'm not sure that its a bad thing that the pace of the alpha port is cooling off a bit, otherwise there would be a lot of energy spent on moving targets. Would it be such a bad thing if the real effort to stabilize alpha didn't happen till 5.1 time frame when the core kernel services have stabilized? - Also, platforms die sooner or later. Eventually there will not be enough willpower to keep the platform up to date. I dont think FreeBSD/Alpha is there yet. I dont think anybody should be prepared to call a 'time of death' on the alpha port unless we get to RELENG_5 without a functional system. - David is annoyed because he cannot test his gcc / toolchain work adequately on the alpha right now. Maybe we should be offloading that from him so that he doesn't have to worry so much about it? I would not blame David in the slightest for saying "ok, here is what I think is needed for the alpha as best as I can tell, you're on your own - let me know how it went". And then have somebody else tidy up the loose ends. There is a similar thing with FreeBSD/Linux. Whether we like it or not, Linux is pretty much the reference i386 open source OS platform these days. Do we complain to the linux folks that they are not helping us keep up? Or do we dive in and do our best? [And no, I am not criticizing the good people that have been trying to do their bit. I'm only annoyed at the people that dont contribute but still complain that it isn't happening to their satisfaction. There are lots of ways to help other than post "alpha is broken again, will somebody please fix it NOW!"] I just *know* I'm going to get hate mail for this... > Wilko > > > With another 3 hours spent chasing panics and bad kernels today (on top > > of the lost weeks since May), I am no longer willing to keep the > > toolchain up to date for the Alpha platform. > > > > We simply have no developers running -current on Alpha hardware anymore. > > Sorry, but Alpha has just become too much of a dead platform as far as > > FreeBSD goes it seems. > > . > > -|- > > | > > .-'~~~`-. > > .' `. > > | R I P | > > | | > > | A X P | > > \\| |// > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@FreeBSD.or g > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte > > Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 3:52:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AC0C37B40E; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:52:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7HAqJA78014; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:52:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7HAqLO00175; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:52:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:52:20 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Peter Wemm Cc: Wilko Bulte , "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au>; from peter@wemm.org on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 01:11:47AM -0700 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 01:11:47AM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: > Lets go over a couple of key things.. > > - Whether we like it or not, i386 is our reference platform. By definition > there is going to be a general trend of i386 things happening first and the > other platforms catching up. Yes, we can make effort to minimize this, but > realistically, it is going to happen to some degree. Yes, this is > i386-centric, yes it sucks, but sheer inertia will keep it happening. This > is leading to the true measure of the viability of a port to platform X - > ie: Are there sufficient people using that platform who are prepared to > dive in and help keep that platform up to date with i386? Are there enough > people with sufficient knowledge to dive in when hairy problems turn up? > and so on. Yelling at a committer because they did something for x86 > and forgot platform X does not achieve much except cause wear and tear. > Things will get done much more effectively if people help rather than > criticize. Yes, we have some fearless souls who slog through this > stuff, but they cannot do everything. I wasn't aware that alpha and -current is still such a big problem. I asumed that most recent problems are SMP specific. In fact my -current alphas are running great: ticso@cicely10> uname -a FreeBSD cicely10.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #1: Mon Apr 2 23:56:44 CEST 2001 ticso@cicely9.cicely.de:/var/d8/src-2001-03-28/src/sys/compile/CICELY10 alpha ticso@cicely10> uptime 10:07AM up 103 days, 21:04, 2 users, load averages: 0.07, 0.02, 0.01 ticso@cicely9> uname -a FreeBSD cicely9.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Fri Mar 30 18:42:31 CEST 2001 ticso@cicely9.cicely.de:/var/d8/src-2001-03-28/src/sys/compile/CICELY9 alpha ticso@cicely9> uptime 12:28PM up 104 days, 12:55, 12 users, load averages: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 Well as you can see I don't have spend much time to keep them recent. Which is bad for detecting and possibly fixing recent problems. > - Also, platforms die sooner or later. Eventually there will not be enough > willpower to keep the platform up to date. I dont think FreeBSD/Alpha is > there yet. I dont think anybody should be prepared to call a 'time of death' > on the alpha port unless we get to RELENG_5 without a functional system. cvsup.de.freebsd.org is running on alpha and I'm all for keeping it. > - David is annoyed because he cannot test his gcc / toolchain work adequately > on the alpha right now. Maybe we should be offloading that from him > so that he doesn't have to worry so much about it? I would not blame > David in the slightest for saying "ok, here is what I think is needed > for the alpha as best as I can tell, you're on your own - let me know how > it went". And then have somebody else tidy up the loose ends. If I understood right all what David needs is a more stable platform. In fact most alpha owners stayed with a working version - including myself. What we really need are more knowledged alpha users of recent -current. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 5:30:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DE437B40C for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 05:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 15Xili-0002KX-00; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:30:30 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HCKFI62293 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:20:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > I wasn't aware that alpha and -current is still such a big problem. For the last few months, it used to crash on me about twice a week. My last build dates from 2001-08-11 and has been stable so far. - Sound is broken, but I gather that's not specific to alpha. - I'm seeing mysterious writes (kevent says NOTE_WRITE) to my executables. I suspect this is a VM bug. - Pthreads are broken. Well, at least ports that rely on them fail. I run a fairly minimal custom kernel and use modules where available. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 6:27:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1498737B408 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7HDReA78925; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:27:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7HDRh200694; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:27:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:27:42 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010817152742.B437@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:20:12PM +0000 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:20:12PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Bernd Walter wrote: > > > I wasn't aware that alpha and -current is still such a big problem. > > For the last few months, it used to crash on me about twice a week. > My last build dates from 2001-08-11 and has been stable so far. > > - Sound is broken, but I gather that's not specific to alpha. Yes - there are severeal Mails on -current about hanging or stopping after the first dma. > - I'm seeing mysterious writes (kevent says NOTE_WRITE) to my > executables. I suspect this is a VM bug. I remember this but thought it happened on i386 for you? > - Pthreads are broken. Well, at least ports that rely on them fail. If heard a lot about signal phaenomen that weren't alpha sepcific. Is your problem alpha specific? Nevertheless I'm about to judging one machine for a recent -current. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 7: 5:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85E937B407; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:05:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f7HE4g543237; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:04:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mi@aldan.algebra.com) Message-Id: <200108171404.f7HE4g543237@aldan.algebra.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:04:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Mikhail Teterin Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current To: peter@wemm.org Cc: wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl, obrien@FreeBSD.org, alpha@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17 Aug, Peter Wemm wrote: > - There are going to be alpha boxes around for another year so so. The > hardware is viable for a while more yet. The problem is developer > time. I'd like to point out, that this port is important not only for the actual users of Alpha. Maintaining it already helped and will continue helping improving our code -- most importantly in the 64-bitness area. This should help us jump onto IA-64 and whatever else the future is bringing much quicker. -mi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 8:33:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DFB37B403; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HFWpG95079; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:32:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:32:50 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Bernd Walter Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, developers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010817083250.A5916@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de>; from ticso@mail.cicely.de on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:52:20PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:52:20PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > I asumed that most recent problems are SMP specific. > In fact my -current alphas are running great: > > ticso@cicely10> uname -a > FreeBSD cicely10.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #1: Mon Apr 2 23:56:44 CEST 2001 ticso@cicely9.cicely.de:/var/d8/src-2001-03-28/src/sys/compile/CICELY10 alpha > ticso@cicely9> uname -a > FreeBSD cicely9.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #0: Fri Mar 30 18:42:31 CEST 2001 ticso@cicely9.cicely.de:/var/d8/src-2001-03-28/src/sys/compile/CICELY9 alpha Feh. March 30th and April 2nd. That is no where NEAR -current. Try this: # cd /usr/src/sys # cvs -qR diff -u0 -D 4/2/2001 | wc -l 740408 For *me*, things were OK Alpha wise until mid-May. Then all hell broke loose. > What we really need are more knowledged alpha users of recent -current. They need to be no more knowledgeable than the x86 crowd. Update your box bi-weekly and report problems. Learn the most basic `gdb' (such as "where") and ddb ("trace", "show locks") commands and post the info. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 8:36: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5F737B403; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:35:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HFZ1G95149; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:35:01 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mikhail Teterin Cc: peter@wemm.org, wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl, alpha@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010817083501.B5916@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> <200108171404.f7HE4g543237@aldan.algebra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108171404.f7HE4g543237@aldan.algebra.com>; from mi@aldan.algebra.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 10:04:41AM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 10:04:41AM -0400, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > I'd like to point out, that this port is important not only for the > actual users of Alpha. Maintaining it already helped and will continue > helping improving our code -- most importantly in the 64-bitness area. But only if people are running 5-current Alpha's to notice new problems and maybe even provide patches to fix them. My my armchair, we are missing such numbers of people running Alphas. So this desired effort falls on the sholders of very few. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 8:53: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EDD37B40F; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:53:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HFqtI48881; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: Peter Wemm Cc: Wilko Bulte , "David O'Brien" , , Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current In-Reply-To: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-ID: <20010817084955.C70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > - David is annoyed because he cannot test his gcc / toolchain work adequately > on the alpha right now. Maybe we should be offloading that from him I dunno. I still rebuild -current and run on 4-5 alphas and don't see that many panics myself. David sees things that some others aren't. But your point is well taken but obvious in that if David doesn't want to do this any more, of course he doesn't have to. This is a volunteer effort (with some exceptions)- so we thank him for the effort and move on. If alpha is broken and somebody wants to then fix it-great. If not, too bad. -mtat To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 9:30:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD6037B40C for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:30:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 15XmWC-0005NS-00; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:30:44 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HFiwT71032 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:44:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9lje5o$24ra$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010817152742.B437@cicely20.cicely.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > > - I'm seeing mysterious writes (kevent says NOTE_WRITE) to my > > executables. I suspect this is a VM bug. > > I remember this but thought it happened on i386 for you? No, on alpha. Since nobody else seems to see this, it's probably alpha-specific. > > - Pthreads are broken. Well, at least ports that rely on them fail. > > If heard a lot about signal phaenomen that weren't alpha sepcific. > Is your problem alpha specific? I can't tell. I don't have access to FreeBSD/i386. Again, it *probably* is alpha-specific since it breaks such central ports as GTK, and I would expect to see a lot of screaming and yelling if this affected more people. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 9:43: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rpi.edu (mail.rpi.edu [128.113.22.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B070237B407; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drosih@rpi.edu) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.acs.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HGgvk74952; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:42:58 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: drosih@mail.rpi.edu Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> References: <20010817081147.DCEEA3811@overcee.netplex.com.au> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:42:54 -0400 To: Peter Wemm , Wilko Bulte From: Garance A Drosihn Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Cc: "David O'Brien" , alpha@FreeBSD.org, developers@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:11 AM -0700 8/17/01, Peter Wemm wrote: >Lets go over a couple of key things.. > >- There are going to be alpha boxes around for another year so so. The >hardware is viable for a while more yet. The problem is developer time. What is the future of alpha boxes? (the hardware itself, even ignoring freebsd's support for them). Isn't that all sold off to Intel now? I was toying with the idea of buying an alpha box this past summer, just for testing freebsd changes on it, but that didn't seem such a good idea once it seemed that the hardware was heading for a dead end. Besides (speaking solely on a personal preference), I'd be more interested in PPC (I also do Mac support at RPI), and Sparc-64 platforms. This is not meant as statement of what freebsd should work on, it just indicates the hardware that I have the most access to. >Don't forget, we're in the middle of major architectural turmoil and >the core infrastructure is bumpy as hell right now. I'm not sure that >its a bad thing that the pace of the alpha port is cooling off a bit, >otherwise there would be a lot of energy spent on moving targets. Would >it be such a bad thing if the real effort to stabilize alpha didn't >happen till 5.1 time frame when the core kernel services have stabilized? To some degree that makes sense, but I think it's a risky approach. If we don't have enough active Alpha developers now, why do we expect to see more of them six months from now? And if we wait until i386 support is "solid", then isn't there a risk that some architectural decisions will be made which will be less-than-optimal for alpha? Won't it be even harder to do the "right thing" for Alpha at that time, if all the work has already been settled on and done for i386? And if we go hands-off for Alpha, that will just mean that there are more loose-ends which won't even get tested on Alpha until six months from now. Various "new things" will depend on other changes to the system, but those other changes will not be happening on alpha so there will be no way to test the "new things" on Alpha. If we don't have enough Alpha users who really are keeping current with -current now, then it certainly is reasonable to sideline that port for while. But if it happens, I suspect it will be that much harder to resurrect the port six months from now. In my mind, it's pretty much up to the people using freebsd on alpha. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.acs.rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@freebsd.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute or drosih@rpi.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 10:39:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4A9337B401 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HHdAt97167 for alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:39:09 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: panic in July 9th kernel Message-ID: <20010817103907.A97043@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I thought this was a "golden kernel" for me. I was wrong. I know this is somewhat dated, but maybe the output is useful. While compiling the GCC port and doing a `cvs up -D' I got: panic: mutex Giant not owned at ../../../kern/kern_exec.c:502 cpuid = 1; panic Stopped at Debugger+0x34: zapnot v0,#0xf,a0 db> trace Debugger() at Debugger+0x34 panic() at panic+0x178 _mtx_assert() at _mtx_assert+0x64 exec_unmap_first_page() at exec_unmap_first_page+0x58 execve() at execve+0xf24 syscall() at syscall+0x718 XentSys() at XentSys+0x64 --- syscall (0, FreeBSD ELF, nosys) --- --- user mode --- db> show locks exclusive (sleep mutex) Giant (0xfffffc00007af2c8) locked @ ../../../alpha/alpha/pmap.c:2891 db> show pcpu cpuid = 1 ipis = 0 next ASN = 76 curproc = 0xfffffe001d61ef00: pid 5943 "test" curpcb = 0x1b51e000 fpcurproc = none idleproc = 0xfffffe001a3a3600: pid 10 "idle: cpu1" spin locks held: db> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 11:19:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8937937B406 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7HIJDA80957 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:19:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7HIJHg01789 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:19:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 20:19:15 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: kernel stack sizes on alpha Message-ID: <20010817201915.B1751@cicely20.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The recent discussion on -current brings me to the following questions: How big are the kernel stack sizes on alpha? Where are they configured? IMHO they should be at least twice the size as on i386 so that things working on i386 won't break alpha. Address space shouldn't be an issue I guess. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 11:20:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8352937B403 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HIJrI50282 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:19:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: Subject: so, what was the problem with cdboot for 4.4-PRE anyway? Worked for me.. Message-ID: <20010817111752.L70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org P00>>sho dev polling ncr0 (NCR 53C810) slot 1, bus 0 PCI, hose 1 p SCSI Bus ID 7 dka500.5.0.1.1 DKA500 RRD46 1337 mka600.6.0.1.1 MKA600 TLZ09 0173 polling isp0 (QLogic ISP1020) slot 5, bus 0 PCI, hose 1 SCSI Bus ID 7 dkb0.0.0.5.1 DKB0 IBM DORS32160SUN2.1G WA7A dkb100.1.0.5.1 DKB100 SEAGATE ST34371W SUN4.2G 7462 dkb200.2.0.5.1 DKB200 QUANTUM VK4550J SUN4.2G 8600 dkb300.3.0.5.1 DKB300 CONNER CFP2107E 2.14GB 1527 dkb800.8.0.5.1 DKB800 SEAGATE ST318203LC 0002 dkb900.9.0.5.1 DKB900 QUANTUM VK4550J SUN4.2G 8600 dkb1000.10.0.5.1 DKB1000 CONNER CFP2107E 2.14GB 1527 dkb1100.11.0.5.1 DKB1100 QUANTUM VK4550J SUN4.2G 8600 jkb1400.14.0.5.1 JKB1400 SYMBIOS 2 jkb1500.15.0.5.1 JKB1500 SYMBIOS 2 polling floppy0 (FLOPPY) PCEB - XBUS hose 0 dva0.0.0.1000.0 DVA0 RX23 polling tulip0 (DECchip 21140-AA) slot 2, bus 0 PCI, hose 1 ewa0.0.0.2.1 00-00-F8-01-8B-D7 FastFD (Full Duplex) P00>>b dka500 Initializing... ~ SROM V3.0 on cpu0 SROM V3.0 on cpu2 SROM V3.0 on cpu1 SROM V3.0 on cpu3 XSROM V5.4 on cpu2 XSROM V5.4 on cpu3 XSROM V5.4 on cpu0 XSROM V5.4 on cpu1 BCache testing complete on cpu2 BCache testing complete on cpu0 BCache testing complete on cpu3 BCache testing complete on cpu1 mem_pair0 - 1024 MB mem_pair1 - 512 MB 20.. wait 30 seconds for T24 to complete 24..24..24..24.. Memory testing complete on cpu1 Memory testing complete on cpu3 Memory testing complete on cpu0 Memory testing complete on cpu2 starting console on CPU 0 sizing memory 0 1024 MB EDO 1 512 MB EDO starting console on CPU 1 starting console on CPU 2 starting console on CPU 3 skipping power-up I/O tests - disabled by user probing IOD1 hose 1 bus 0 slot 1 - NCR 53C810 bus 0 slot 2 - DECchip 21140-AA bus 0 slot 5 - QLogic ISP1020 probing IOD0 hose 0 bus 0 slot 1 - PCEB probing EISA Bridge, bus 1 bus 0 slot 5 - SCSI Controller configuring I/O adapters... ncr0, hose 1, bus 0, slot 1 tulip0, hose 1, bus 0, slot 2 isp0, hose 1, bus 0, slot 5 floppy0, hose 0, bus 1, slot 0 System temperature is 27 degrees C AlphaServer 4100 Console V5.4-2, 8-APR-1999 14:36:23 CPU 0 booting (boot dka500.5.0.1.1 -flags a) block 0 of dka500.5.0.1.1 is a valid boot block reading 369 blocks from dka500.5.0.1.1 bootstrap code read in Building FRU table base = 200000, image_start = 0, image_bytes = 2e200 initializing HWRPB at 2000 initializing page table at 1f2000 initializing machine state setting affinity to the primary CPU jumping to bootstrap code Console: SRM firmware console VMS PAL rev: 0x4000100010115 OSF PAL rev: 0x4000100020117 Switch to OSF PAL code succeeded. FreeBSD/alpha SRM CD9660 boot, Revision 1.0 (root@nellie.feral.com, Fri Aug 17 04:23:47 GMT 2001) Memory: 1572864 k Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... Booting [kernel] in 8 seconds... Booting [kernel]... kernel data=0x5ea160+0x261b0 Entering kernel at 0xfffffc000032b240... Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-20010816-STABLE #1: Fri Aug 17 07:08:52 GMT 2001 root@nellie.feral.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/BOOTMFS AlphaServer 4100 AlphaServer 4100 5/533 4MB, 531MHz 8192 byte page size, 4 processors. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x4000100020117 real memory = 1608482816 (1570784K bytes) avail memory = 1559158784 (1522616K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000914000. md1: Malloc disk mcpcia0: at mcbus0 gid 7 mid 5 mcpcia0: Horse Revision 3, Left Handed Saddle Revision 3, CAP Revision 2 pci0: on pcib0 sym0: <810> port 0x1fffd00-0x1fffdff mem 0x7feee00-0x7feeeff irq 4 at device 1.0 on pci0 sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-10, SE, parity checking sym0: interrupting at IRQ 0x10 intA (vec 0xb40) de0: port 0x1fffe00-0x1fffe7f mem 0x7feef00-0x7feef7f irq 8 at device 2.0 on pci0 de0: interrupting at IRQ 0x0 intA (vec 0xb80) de0: DEC DE500-XA 21140 [10-100Mb/s] pass 1.2 de0: address 00:00:f8:01:8b:d7 de0: enabling Full Duplex 100baseTX port isp0: port 0x1ffff00-0x1ffffff mem 0x7fef000-0x7feffff irq 20 at device 5.0 on pci0 isp0: interrupting at IRQ 0xc intA (vec 0xc40) mcpcia1: at mcbus0 gid 7 mid 4 mcpcia1: Horse Revision 3, Left Handed Saddle Revision 3, CAP Revision 2 Attaching Real Console pci16: on pcib1 isab0: at device 1.0 on pci16 isa0: on isab0 isp1: port 0x41ffff00-0x41ffffff mem 0x47fdf000-0x47fdffff irq 20 at device 5.0 on pci16 isp1: interrupting at IRQ 0xc intA (vec 0xa40) isp1: WARNING- cannot determine Expanded LUN capability- limiting to one LUN fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A, console sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o Timecounter "alpha" frequency 532792192 Hz Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c da8 at isp1 bus 0 target 130 lun 0 da8: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da8: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da8: 8625MB (17664229 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1099C) da2 at isp0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 4094MB (8385121 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) da9 at isp1 bus 0 target 131 lun 0 da9: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da9: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da9: 8625MB (17664229 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1099C) da10 at isp1 bus 0 target 132 lun 0 da10: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da10: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da10: 8625MB (17664229 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1099C) da11 at isp1 bus 0 target 133 lun 0 da11: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da11: 100.000MB/s transfers, Tagged Queueing Enabled da11: 8625MB (17664229 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1099C) da3 at isp0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 da3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da3: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit) da3: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) da5 at isp0 bus 0 target 9 lun 0 da5: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da5: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da5: 4094MB (8385121 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) da1 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 4094MB (8385121 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) da4 at isp0 bus 0 target 8 lun 0 da4: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da4: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da4: 17366MB (35566480 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 2213C) da6 at isp0 bus 0 target 10 lun 0 da6: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da6: 20.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit) da6: 2048MB (4194304 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 261C) da7 at isp0 bus 0 target 11 lun 0 da7: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da7: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da7: 4094MB (8385121 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C) /stand/sysinstall running as init on serial console These are the predefined terminal types available to sysinstall when running stand-alone. Please choose the closest match for your particular terminal. 1 ...................... Standard ANSI terminal. 2 ...................... VT100 or compatible terminal. 3 ...................... FreeBSD system console (color). 4 ...................... FreeBSD system console (monochrome). 5 ...................... xterm terminal emulator. Your choice: (1-5) cd0 at sym0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) cd0: cd present [408840 x 512 byte records] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 12:16:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3C337B40D for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HJGgI50741 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: Subject: Re: so, what was the problem with cdboot for 4.4-PRE anyway? Worked for me.. In-Reply-To: <20010817111752.L70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> Message-ID: <20010817121608.V70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So, floppies also work for me, and I was able to succsessfully install from the CDs I built. I'll try and put them somewhere network visible by tomorrow. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 13:45:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (dsl092-013-169.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.13.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C3A337B40F for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HKj5305229; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:45:05 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: so, what was the problem with cdboot for 4.4-PRE anyway? Worked for me.. Message-ID: <20010817134505.A5085@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20010817111752.L70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> <20010817121608.V70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010817121608.V70594-100000@wonky.feral.com>; from mjacob@feral.com on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:16:35PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:16:35PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > So, floppies also work for me, and I was able to succsessfully install from > the CDs I built. I see you did this on the AS4100. Could you try this on all the various models you have access to? Maybe the problem is model-specific. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 13:47:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A446C37B408; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7HKlPI51326; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Subject: Re: so, what was the problem with cdboot for 4.4-PRE anyway? Worked for me.. In-Reply-To: <20010817134505.A5085@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: <20010817134531.W70594-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That is my plan, yes, when I have a bit more time. The failures that seemed to be reported via the lists still look to me like faulty iso construction. Probably Monday night for TurboLaser and Alpha 500 and an Alpha 600. The only other alpha I have with a floppy currently is an XP1000 which I might take a whack at later today. On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 12:16:35PM -0700, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > So, floppies also work for me, and I was able to succsessfully install from > > the CDs I built. > > I see you did this on the AS4100. Could you try this on all the various > models you have access to? Maybe the problem is model-specific. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 15:26:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3FD37B401 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 85134 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2001 22:25:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Aug 2001 22:25:36 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010816215234.A5722@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: today's kernel + JHB's trap.c patch is *evil* Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Aug-01 David O'Brien wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 04:29:27PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: >> > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a >> > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! >> > >> > fatal kernel trap: >> > >> > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) >> > cpuid = 0 >> > faulting va = 0x0 >> >> NULL pointer deref. >> >> > type = access violation >> > cause = load instructon >> > pc = 0xfffffc00003c3814 >> >> Do you have a debug kernel? If so, can you do 'gdb -k kernel.debug' and >> then >> do 'l *0xfffffc00003c3814'? > > 0xfffffc00003c3814 is in _mtx_unlock_sleep > (../../../kern/kern_mutex.c:492). > 487 > 488 p1 = TAILQ_FIRST(&m->mtx_blocked); > 489 MPASS(p->p_magic == P_MAGIC); > 490 MPASS(p1->p_magic == P_MAGIC); > 491 > 492 TAILQ_REMOVE(&m->mtx_blocked, p1, p_procq); > 493 > 494 if (TAILQ_EMPTY(&m->mtx_blocked)) { > 495 LIST_REMOVE(m, mtx_contested); > 496 _release_lock_quick(m); Umm, ok. I'll have to try and reproduce this locally. The mutex claims to be contested but has no processes in its list of blocked processes. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 15:32:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C00D37B409 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:32:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from naddy@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 15Xs9q-0004Vw-00; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 00:32:02 +0200 Received: (from naddy@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7HLtoX87357 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:55:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 23:55:49 +0200 From: Christian Weisgerber To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dropping compiler support in -current Message-ID: <20010817235549.A86990@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Idar.Tollefsen@baerum.kommune.no on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 07:04:00PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Idar Tollefsen: > Speaking of which... If a port is broken, and it probably is > Alpha specific, what is a good way of dealing with it, short > of fixing it yourself? Good question. You can report it to the maintainer, who'll probably shrug and point out that he doesn't have an alpha. You can submit a PR, which will probably be ignored since nobody feels responsible. You can report the problem on freebsd-ports, where it will be lost under the deluge of new ports and update submissions. You can send it to this list, where people will probably consider it off topic, since it's a ports problem. I think we have a problem here. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Aug 17 17:14: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail11.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19E737B410 for ; Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:14:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 6078 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2001 00:14:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Aug 2001 00:14:00 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 17:14:03 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: John Baldwin Subject: Re: today's kernel + JHB's trap.c patch is *evil* Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, "David O'Brien" , imp@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Aug-01 John Baldwin wrote: > > On 17-Aug-01 David O'Brien wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 04:29:27PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: >>> > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a >>> > SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! >>> > >>> > fatal kernel trap: >>> > >>> > trap entry = 0x2 (memory management fault) >>> > cpuid = 0 >>> > faulting va = 0x0 >>> >>> NULL pointer deref. >>> >>> > type = access violation >>> > cause = load instructon >>> > pc = 0xfffffc00003c3814 >>> >>> Do you have a debug kernel? If so, can you do 'gdb -k kernel.debug' and >>> then >>> do 'l *0xfffffc00003c3814'? >> >> 0xfffffc00003c3814 is in _mtx_unlock_sleep >> (../../../kern/kern_mutex.c:492). >> 487 >> 488 p1 = TAILQ_FIRST(&m->mtx_blocked); >> 489 MPASS(p->p_magic == P_MAGIC); >> 490 MPASS(p1->p_magic == P_MAGIC); >> 491 >> 492 TAILQ_REMOVE(&m->mtx_blocked, p1, p_procq); >> 493 >> 494 if (TAILQ_EMPTY(&m->mtx_blocked)) { >> 495 LIST_REMOVE(m, mtx_contested); >> 496 _release_lock_quick(m); > > Umm, ok. I'll have to try and reproduce this locally. The mutex claims to > be > contested but has no processes in its list of blocked processes. Ok, thinking about this some more, I'm guessing this might be a problem with mtx_owned() not doing a memory barrier. I want to look at the exact semantics of an aquire load on ia64 (which is what atomic_load_acq() is based on) and depending on that I will either change atomic_load_acq() to have another mb and use that inside of mtx_owned() (and in a few other places) or I will add new atomic_load() and atomic_store() functions that do the mb's sort of opposite of how the acq and rel versions do them. Until this gets done, alpha SMP has the potential for being very shaky, so I would recommend just doing UP kernels for now. I should probably go turn SMP off in GENERIC, and I'm cc'ing Warner so he can go add a note in UPDATING about this until it can be more properly fixed. As to why the 4100 hasn't seen this, it may be that the slower CPU's are preventing this race from happening, or that 21164's use a stricter memory ordering than 21264's. I've seen similar issues where my dual P3 600 would have problems when my dual PPro 200 wouldn't. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 2:46:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.14.150.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959AA37B40A; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7I9kOM56471; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FC838CC; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: dfr@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP - tree broken in -current for Alpha Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 02:46:24 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010818094624.68FC838CC@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If you're running -current on alpha, you will need to back out the recent change to: src/contrib/gcc.295/config/alpha/crtbegin.asm Otherwise everything will segfault after your 'installworld' at exit time. Whether this affects RELENG_4 is unknown at this point, but it is in a different file there: src/contrib/gcc/config/alpha/crtbegin.asm I was able to ftp new binaries and libraries from another machine, since programs only segfault at *exit*, in case anybody needs recovery ideas. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 4:10:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.14.150.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D114A37B412; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7IBAqM59059; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B758380B; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, dfr@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HEADS UP - tree broken in -current for Alpha In-Reply-To: <20010818094624.68FC838CC@overcee.netplex.com.au> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 04:10:52 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010818111052.9B758380B@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Wemm wrote: > If you're running -current on alpha, you will need to back out the > recent change to: > src/contrib/gcc.295/config/alpha/crtbegin.asm > > Otherwise everything will segfault after your 'installworld' at > exit time. The following diff seems to fix it.. I dont know more than a few bits of ancient C++ (back in cfront days), but it does even seem to do static constructors/destructors ok with this. I am *not* an Alpha assembler expert, this could be the alpha version of the fabled HCF instruction for all I know. :-) Index: crtbegin.asm =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/contrib/gcc.295/config/alpha/crtbegin.asm,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 crtbegin.asm --- crtbegin.asm 2001/08/17 22:54:26 1.2 +++ crtbegin.asm 2001/08/18 11:07:37 @@ -68,7 +68,8 @@ br $29,1f 1: ldgp $29,0($29) jsr $26,__do_global_dtors_aux - ldgp $29,0($29) + br $29,2f +2: ldgp $29,0($29) # Ideally this call would go in crtend.o, except that we can't # get hold of __EH_FRAME_BEGIN__ there. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 8:22:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36F737B409 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 08:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7IFMLA90478; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:22:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7IFMPb05356; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:22:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:22:24 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: alpha problems on current (was: dropping compiler support in -current) Message-ID: <20010818172224.A4918@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010817152742.B437@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lje5o$24ra$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <9lje5o$24ra$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de>; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 03:44:56PM +0000 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 03:44:56PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Bernd Walter wrote: > > > > - I'm seeing mysterious writes (kevent says NOTE_WRITE) to my > > > executables. I suspect this is a VM bug. > > > > I remember this but thought it happened on i386 for you? > > No, on alpha. Since nobody else seems to see this, it's probably > alpha-specific. I'm also seeing this on an axppci33 mashine updated yesterday. I noticed because gdb warned me that a binary was newer than a .core file. ticso@cicely10# ls -al /bin total 11641 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1024 Aug 17 19:59 . drwxr-xr-x 15 root wheel 512 Aug 18 12:44 .. -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 80808 Aug 18 17:05 [ -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 99000 Aug 17 18:58 cat -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 99480 Aug 17 19:59 chflags -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 91808 Aug 17 18:58 chio -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 102176 Aug 18 11:20 chmod -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 107376 Aug 17 18:58 cp -r-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1178600 Aug 18 17:08 csh -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 555256 Aug 18 11:21 date -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 113624 Aug 18 17:05 dd -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 94160 Aug 18 11:23 df [...] This doesn't happen on i386 for me. Have you found a way to isulate when it happens? ypserv crashed for me: Aug 18 12:44:02 cicely10 /boot/kernel/kernel: pid 225 (ypserv), uid 0: exited on signal 6 (core dumped) Aug 18 12:44:22 cicely10 ypbind[229]: NIS server [10.1.3.3] for domain "cicely.de" not responding Aug 18 12:44:23 cicely10 ypbind[229]: NIS server [10.1.3.8] for domain "cicely.de" OK And make during make depend of a kernel: [...] ===> xl rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/dev -I@/../include /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/module s/xl/../../pci/if_xl.c ===> osf1 rm -f .depend mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/dev -I@/../include /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/module s/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_ioctl.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_misc.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-20 01-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_signal.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_s ysent.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_mount.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf 1/../../alpha/osf1/imgact_osf1.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_sysvec.c make in free(): error: pointer to wrong page Abort trap - core dumped *** Error code 134 Stop in /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/alpha/compile/CICELY10. 1386.335u 631.597s 43:12.55 77.8% 330+752k 70+7440io 164pf+0w Exit 1 make failed twice - I'm not shure if it was identic. gdb output for latest make crash: ticso@cicely10# gdb /usr/bin/make ./modules/var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/make.core GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "alpha-unknown-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... warning: exec file is newer than core file. Core was generated by `make'. Program terminated with signal 6, Abort trap. warning: Hit heuristic-fence-post without finding warning: enclosing function for address 0x12002c090 This warning occurs if you are debugging a function without any symbols (for example, in a stripped executable). In that case, you may wish to increase the size of the search with the `set heuristic-fence-post' command. Otherwise, you told GDB there was a function where there isn't one, or (more likely) you have encountered a bug in GDB. #0 0x12002c090 in ?? () (gdb) bt #0 0x12002c090 in ?? () warning: Hit heuristic-fence-post without finding warning: enclosing function for address 0x1200415f8 and gdb output for ypserv: ticso@cicely10# gdb /usr/sbin/ypserv ypserv.core GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "alpha-unknown-freebsd"...(no debugging symbols found)... warning: exec file is newer than core file. Core was generated by `ypserv'. Program terminated with signal 6, Abort trap. Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.5...(no debugging symbols found)...done. Reading symbols from /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1...(no debugging symbols found)...done. #0 0x1600b6124 in kill () from /usr/lib/libc.so.5 (gdb) bt #0 0x1600b6124 in kill () from /usr/lib/libc.so.5 #1 0x16012b318 in abort () from /usr/lib/libc.so.5 #2 0x1601296f0 in isatty () from /usr/lib/libc.so.5 #3 0x160129728 in isatty () from /usr/lib/libc.so.5 -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 10:54: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB22B37B408 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:54:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7IHrwA91056; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:53:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7IHs3s05679; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:54:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:54:02 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Bernd Walter Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha problems on current (was: dropping compiler support in -current) Message-ID: <20010818195402.C4918@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010817152742.B437@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lje5o$24ra$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010818172224.A4918@cicely20.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010818172224.A4918@cicely20.cicely.de>; from ticso@mail.cicely.de on Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 05:22:24PM +0200 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 05:22:24PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/dev -I@/../include /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/module > s/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_ioctl.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_misc.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-20 > 01-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_signal.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_s > ysent.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_mount.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf > 1/../../alpha/osf1/imgact_osf1.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_sysvec.c > make in free(): error: pointer to wrong page > Abort trap - core dumped > *** Error code 134 > > Stop in /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/alpha/compile/CICELY10. > 1386.335u 631.597s 43:12.55 77.8% 330+752k 70+7440io 164pf+0w > Exit 1 > Sounds very much as there is a memory corruption in user space: sh ../../../conf/newvers.sh CICELY10 cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dev -I../../../contrib/ipfilter -I../../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev56 vers.c linking kernel.debug sh in free(): error: pointer to wrong page Abort trap - core dumped *** Error code 134 -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 10:58:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470E737B403 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 10:58:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@mail.cicely.de) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f7IHw9A91079; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:58:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f7IHwF605699; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:58:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:58:13 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Bernd Walter Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: alpha problems on current Message-ID: <20010818195813.D4918@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817125220.A29953@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lj25s$1sq6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010817152742.B437@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lje5o$24ra$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010818172224.A4918@cicely20.cicely.de> <20010818195402.C4918@cicely20.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010818195402.C4918@cicely20.cicely.de>; from ticso on Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 07:54:02PM +0200 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 07:54:02PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Sat, Aug 18, 2001 at 05:22:24PM +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: > > mkdep -f .depend -a -nostdinc -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -I- -I. -I@ -I@/dev -I@/../include /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/module > > s/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_ioctl.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_misc.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-20 > > 01-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_signal.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_s > > ysent.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_mount.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf > > 1/../../alpha/osf1/imgact_osf1.c /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/modules/osf1/../../alpha/osf1/osf1_sysvec.c > > make in free(): error: pointer to wrong page > > Abort trap - core dumped > > *** Error code 134 > > > > Stop in /var/d8/FreeBSD-2001-08-17/src/sys/alpha/compile/CICELY10. > > 1386.335u 631.597s 43:12.55 77.8% 330+752k 70+7440io 164pf+0w > > Exit 1 > > > > Sounds very much as there is a memory corruption in user space: > sh ../../../conf/newvers.sh CICELY10 > cc -c -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I- -I. -I../../.. -I../../../dev -I../../../contrib/ipfilter -I../../../../include -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf -mno-fp-regs -ffixed-8 -Wa,-mev56 vers.c > linking kernel.debug > sh in free(): error: pointer to wrong page > Abort trap - core dumped > *** Error code 134 Oh I forgot to add: I'm not able to build a kernel without at least 2 failures. But I was able to compile a kernel directly after installworld while still running the march kernel. So I asume the problem is anywhere in the kernel. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 15:15:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from admin.vt.com (admin.vt.com [204.117.188.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A43A37B407 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 15:15:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from diego@earthoid.com) Received: from earthoid.com (isdn.earthoid.com [204.117.188.113]) by admin.vt.com (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22670 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3B7EEA78.94B74E8A@earthoid.com> Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 17:21:44 -0500 From: Diego Montalvo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.3 on Alpha 5305? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am trying to install FreeBSD Alpha 4.3, on an AlphaServer 5305. I have been following the step of different tutorials, but have noticed that on boot all a: and d: (cdrom) FreeBSD media is ignored and automatically goes to AlphaBios and expects to install Win NT. I have gone into the SRM Console, but have not been able to get SRM console to boot FreeBSD Alpha CD. What am I doing wrong? Thank you Diego Montalvo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Aug 18 18:30:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CAA37B407 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daemon@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 15YHPt-0007Zq-00; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:30:17 +0200 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.5/8.11.1) id f7J1KFW56149 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 19 Aug 2001 03:20:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from daemon) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: alpha problems on current Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 01:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <9ln48d$1ml6$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> References: <20010817081929.A2859@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20010817152742.B437@cicely20.cicely.de> <9lje5o$24ra$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20010818172224.A4918@cicely20.cicely.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > > > > - I'm seeing mysterious writes (kevent says NOTE_WRITE) to my > > > > executables. I suspect this is a VM bug. > > Have you found a way to isulate when it happens? No. I wrote a little program that watches /bin/* through kevent(2), but I'm uncertain how to trace this any further. The writes don't appear to be related to any particular system activity, although they possibly correlate with the amount of activity. Also, if I don't run setiathome in the background I get far fewer writes. The only strange program crash I've seen so far has been an xlogout dying with SEGV. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message