From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 30 6:20:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82FD37B420 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 06:20:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBUEK5586601; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:20:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:20:05 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Bernd Walter Cc: Bernd Walter , FreeBSD-alpha mailing list Subject: Re: new: Alpha picture gallery on the Web Message-ID: <20011230152005.A86257@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20011226202359.A14846@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20011227040635.GA12956@cicely9.cicely.de> <20011227171444.A18660@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20011229164550.B89519@cicely8.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011229164550.B89519@cicely8.cicely.de>; from ticso@cicely8.cicely.de on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 04:45:50PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 04:45:50PM +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 05:14:44PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2001 at 05:06:36AM +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > > > I have put some AXPpci33 Pictures to > > > http://www.cosmo-project.de/~bernd/alpha-pics/axppci33 > > > Some PC164 Pictures will be added soon - currently there are to many > > > cables hiding the board :) > > > > Thanks, I have assimilated the NoName pictures into the URL above in > > the meantime ;) > > I have added some pc164 pictures now. They have been assimilated too ;) -- | / o / /_ _ email: wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, The Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 30 10: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B142C37B405 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from cheshire.blacktabby.org ([12.233.190.154]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20011230180508.EDWU20122.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@cheshire.blacktabby.org>; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:05:08 +0000 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:04:42 -0800 From: Adam Kranzel To: alpha@freebsd.org Cc: wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl Subject: Re: new: Alpha picture gallery on the Web Message-Id: <20011230100442.455d9e32.adam@blacktabby.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.6.5 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey... Okay, pics of the 5305 are up at www.oaklandawning.com/5305-pics/ Feel free to grab whichever ones you like, there are some that are almost the same in there. I will pull a CPU and a memory board and get some photos of those up as well. Is there anything in the machine that you would especially like photos of? thanks -Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 30 10:35:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.139]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E8337B405 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:35:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from tamama (loonei.xs4all.nl [213.84.116.228]) by smtpzilla3.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with SMTP id fBUIZMsL047843 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:35:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004101c19160$ecea23a0$9600000a@tamama> From: "Floris 'Tamama' van Gog" To: Subject: slow networking / box Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:36:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Holas, I think this is not right bloodscent# ping localhost PING localhost (127.0.0.1): 48 data bytes 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=1.056 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.700 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.629 ms 64 bytes from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.678 ms ^C --- localhost ping statistics --- 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 0.629/0.766/1.056/0.170 ms bloodscent# I can remember local loopbacks to be a 'tad' faster (0.008ms or something like that) Someone in #freebsd/undernet said it might be a hardware conflict somehow. The machine is an AXPCI33 166Mhz with 64MB ram (well its in the dmesg below). When I had natd and pptpclient going to get internet connectivity for my LAN the connection got so slow that it was noticable. A game, mostly udp data, 7.5kb/sec made the uptime stats go to 1.0 1.0 1.0 (the gateway was only routing) If anyone has any ideas what this might be or cause it, I would love to hear it! Thanks in advance, Floris dmesg follows: bloodscent# dmesg Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #3: Sun Dec 26 19:56:38 CET 2021 root@bloodscent:/usr/src/sys/compile/BLOODSCENT DEC AXPpci Alpha PC AXPpci33, 166MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: LCA Family major=4 minor=2 OSF PAL rev: 0x100090002012d real memory = 65036288 (63512K bytes) avail memory = 57729024 (56376K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc0000602000. md0: Malloc disk pci0: on pcib0 sym0: <810> port 0x10100-0x101ff mem 0x81024100-0x810241ff irq 11 at device 6.0 on pci0 sym0: No NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-10, SE, parity checking sym0: interrupting at ISA irq 11 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 rl0: port 0x10000-0x100ff mem 0x81024000-0x810240ff irq 5 at device 8.0 on pci0 rl0: interrupting at ISA irq 5 rl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:bf:61:98:a0 miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto pci0: at 11.0 irq 9 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3c3 irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: interrupting at ISA irq 7 Timecounter "alpha" frequency 166649763 Hz IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, unlimited logging Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle cd0 at sym0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) cd0: cd present [326150 x 2048 byte records] da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 4095MB (8386733 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 522C) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a WARNING: clock gained 3 days -- CHECK AND RESET THE DATE! bloodscent# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 30 17:30:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01FC837B405 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:30:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 16KrHj-0005b4-00; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:30:39 +0100 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBV0oL105143 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:50:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: -CURRENT boot1 broken? Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:50:20 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Baldwin wrote: > > This suggests that boot1 is broken. > > Ugh, it shouldn't be. :( Well, I guess it isn't. When I moved my system to a new disk, I created all filesystems with 16384/2048. Pretty useless for the root filesystem, I admit, except for consistency's sake. Turns out that boot1 doesn't handle this. Jumping through some hoops I have moved / back to 8192/1024 and it works fine now. *Sigh* As a side effect of experimenting with various boot combinations, I'm confused about where the different components are loaded from. Experimental evidence suggests this: 1. At the SRM prompt, booting from a particular drive will load the bootstrap (boot1) from there. 2. boot1 proceeds to load /boot/loader from the same drive. You can specify a different file name, but there appears to be no way to qualify this with a drive. 3. loader pulls in the kernel from da0, even if booted from a different drive. 4. The kernel mounts da0a as root device. I'm surprised by the step from any drive (1, 2) to the fixed(?) assumption of da0 (3, 4). -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Dec 30 17:36: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB1937B405 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:36:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBV1iKI01874; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:44:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200112310144.fBV1iKI01874@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -CURRENT boot1 broken? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:50:20 GMT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:44:20 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > John Baldwin wrote: > > > > This suggests that boot1 is broken. > > > > Ugh, it shouldn't be. :( > > Well, I guess it isn't. When I moved my system to a new disk, I > created all filesystems with 16384/2048. Pretty useless for the > root filesystem, I admit, except for consistency's sake. Turns out > that boot1 doesn't handle this. Jumping through some hoops I have > moved / back to 8192/1024 and it works fine now. *Sigh* > > As a side effect of experimenting with various boot combinations, > I'm confused about where the different components are loaded from. > Experimental evidence suggests this: > > 1. At the SRM prompt, booting from a particular drive will load the > bootstrap (boot1) from there. > 2. boot1 proceeds to load /boot/loader from the same drive. You > can specify a different file name, but there appears to be no > way to qualify this with a drive. Phases 1 and 2 use SRM, which gives you an anonymous "device you booted from". This is why you can't eg. load drivers from floppy when booting from CDROM. > 3. loader pulls in the kernel from da0, even if booted from a > different drive. This isn't correct; the loader also uses SRM, and has no way of accessing anything other than "the device you booted from". > 4. The kernel mounts da0a as root device. > > I'm surprised by the step from any drive (1, 2) to the fixed(?) > assumption of da0 (3, 4). There is no way for the kernel to work out what "the device you booted from" was. The loader reads /etc/fstab and tells the kernel what it should mount / from based on the contents therof. I'm not sure what system you were using to get the results in 3 and 4 above, but I don't think it was FreeBSD. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Dec 31 12:39:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4305537B43A for ; Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:39:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25377 invoked from network); 31 Dec 2001 20:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 31 Dec 2001 20:39:25 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:39:15 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: -CURRENT boot1 broken? Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 31-Dec-01 Christian Weisgerber wrote: > John Baldwin wrote: > >> > This suggests that boot1 is broken. >> >> Ugh, it shouldn't be. :( > > Well, I guess it isn't. When I moved my system to a new disk, I > created all filesystems with 16384/2048. Pretty useless for the > root filesystem, I admit, except for consistency's sake. Turns out > that boot1 doesn't handle this. Jumping through some hoops I have > moved / back to 8192/1024 and it works fine now. *Sigh* Ouch! It seems boot1 does need fixing to handle different sizes. #define BUFSIZE 8192 #define MAPBUFSIZE BUFSIZE static char buf[BUFSIZE], fsbuf[BUFSIZE], iobuf[BUFSIZE]; It assumes a bufsize of 8192 at least. Perhaps buf, fsbuf, and iobuf should be malloc'd and should use a variable read from the disklabel rather than a constant? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message