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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 1:23:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:23:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2C637B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:23:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f029Njs92628 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:23:45 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA27912 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:23:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Web based mp3 player? Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:23:44 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: imp@harmony.village.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. I have a laptop that is able to play them mounted over NFS right now fairly well. This works well for me, but my wife has troubles with the ssh mpg123 XXX/YYY/01-foo.mp3 interface :-). I don't suppose there's a nice web interface for something like this. Something she could say "play this CD in repeat for ever mode". She doesn't have X windows (her machine is a win98 box), so I can't just pop up xmms onto her screen. Besides, I'd like to have some control of the music and get songs I like into the queue. Ideas? Warner P.S. Yada yada yada FreeBSD yada yada yada 4.2-stable yada yada yada To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 1:31: 3 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:31:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E4B37B69B for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:30:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3BFCF574E4; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:31:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:31:31 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Message-ID: <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org>; from imp@bsdimp.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:23:44AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On a side note, ...... I misread that as imp@bsdPimp.com ... On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:23:44AM -0700, Warner Losh scribbled: | I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love | to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. | | I have a laptop that is able to play them mounted over NFS right now | fairly well. This works well for me, but my wife has troubles with | the ssh mpg123 XXX/YYY/01-foo.mp3 interface :-). I don't suppose | there's a nice web interface for something like this. Something she | could say "play this CD in repeat for ever mode". She doesn't have X | windows (her machine is a win98 box), so I can't just pop up xmms onto | her screen. | | Besides, I'd like to have some control of the music and get songs I | like into the queue. You can setup a MP3 streaming server (a few in the ports), she can then use WinAMP to play the music. But she can't manage the queue. Or you can teach her how to use ports/audio/mp3blaster ... It's pretty hard to tunnel mp3 over HTTP. (No, let's not overload HTTP with everything in W. Stevens' TCP/IP vol. III.) -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 1:38:11 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:38:10 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D2137B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f029c7s92670; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:38:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id CAA28244; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 02:38:07 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200101020938.CAA28244@harmony.village.org> To: "Michael C . Wu" Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Cc: chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Jan 2001 03:31:31 CST." <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> References: <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:38:06 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: imp@harmony.village.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> "Michael C . Wu" writes: : You can setup a MP3 streaming server (a few in the ports), she : can then use WinAMP to play the music. But she can't manage the queue. : : Or you can teach her how to use ports/audio/mp3blaster ... : : It's pretty hard to tunnel mp3 over HTTP. (No, let's not overload : HTTP with everything in W. Stevens' TCP/IP vol. III.) I guess I wasn't clear. I have a laptop that is connected to a stereo that is in the room we both sit and do work in. Right now I can control the music we listen to, but she can't. I do this right now by doing 'ssh laptop mpg123 files to play' and then I hear them. She'd like to be able to control what comes out of the speakers as well. The sound isn't connected to her computer. So it is controlling something over http rather than streaming mp3 over http. The something just happens to be what the next N songs are to be played. I thought about having a lpr queue for this, but that seemed just too strange for words... Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 1:46:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:46:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA0137B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:46:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 62334574E4; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:46:45 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:46:45 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Message-ID: <20010102034645.C56810@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> <200101020938.CAA28244@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101020938.CAA28244@harmony.village.org>; from imp@bsdimp.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:38:06AM -0700 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:38:06AM -0700, Warner Losh scribbled: | In message <20010102033130.A56810@peorth.iteration.net> "Michael C | . Wu" writes: | : You can setup a MP3 streaming server (a few in the ports), she | : can then use WinAMP to play the music. But she can't manage the queue. | : | : Or you can teach her how to use ports/audio/mp3blaster ... | : | : It's pretty hard to tunnel mp3 over HTTP. (No, let's not overload | : HTTP with everything in W. Stevens' TCP/IP vol. III.) | | I guess I wasn't clear. I have a laptop that is connected to a stereo | that is in the room we both sit and do work in. Right now I can | control the music we listen to, but she can't. I do this right now by | doing 'ssh laptop mpg123 files to play' and then I hear them. She'd | like to be able to control what comes out of the speakers as well. | The sound isn't connected to her computer. | | So it is controlling something over http rather than streaming mp3 | over http. The something just happens to be what the next N songs are | to be played. You can probably hack something up in Perl or C as a cgi script. It does not need to be fancy, and you simply pipe the input into mp3blaster. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 1:49:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:49:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (grouter.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95FE037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from grondar.za (root@gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f029kqO09866; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:47:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <200101020947.f029kqO09866@gratis.grondar.za> To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? References: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> In-Reply-To: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> ; from Warner Losh "Tue, 02 Jan 2001 02:23:44 MST." Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:47:08 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Besides, I'd like to have some control of the music and get songs I > like into the queue. > > Ideas? Stick to unix, and put an X client (there are free ones) on your wife's box. TUCOWS www.tucows.com is a good place to get a Win-X client. M -- Mark Murray Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 1:55:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:55:45 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF78537B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f029sRF13279; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:54:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:54:26 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Message-ID: <20010102015426.F19572@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org>; from imp@bsdimp.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:23:44AM -0700 Sender: bright@fw.wintelcom.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Warner Losh [010102 01:23] wrote: > > I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love > to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. Lame question, but have you checked freshmeat for something to do this? > P.S. Yada yada yada FreeBSD yada yada yada 4.2-stable yada yada yada huh? :) -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 3:58:46 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 03:58:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A04C37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 03:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (guppy.dons.net.au [203.31.81.9]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00405; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:25:27 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200101020947.f029kqO09866@gratis.grondar.za> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:25:26 +1030 (CST) Sender: darius@cain.gsoft.com.au From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Mark Murray Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-Jan-01 Mark Murray wrote: > > Besides, I'd like to have some control of the music and get songs I > > like into the queue. > > > > Ideas? > > Stick to unix, and put an X client (there are free ones) on your > wife's box. > > TUCOWS www.tucows.com is a good place to get a Win-X client. > Write an app using {tcl,python,perl}/tk - it will run on unix and Windows (and macos..) Have a look at http://www.mserv.org/mainpage.html - I wrote a tcl/tk client which works in Windows and FreeBSD (and presumably any other tcl/tk platform), it's buggy tho :) mserv also has a web and command line client. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 5:16:12 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 05:16:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.wetworks.org (shell.wetworks.org [63.160.175.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8FE3F37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 05:16:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 58609 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2001 13:15:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO diskfarm.firehouse.net) (10.0.0.28) by 192.168.1.2 with SMTP; 2 Jan 2001 13:15:50 -0000 Received: (from abc@localhost) by diskfarm.firehouse.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f02DOCm05213 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:24:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from abc) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:24:12 -0500 From: Alan Clegg To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Message-ID: <20010102082412.F99011@diskfarm.firehouse.net> References: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org>; from imp@bsdimp.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:23:44AM -0700 Sender: abc@diskfarm.firehouse.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unless the network is lying to me again, Warner Losh said: > I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love > to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=icecast Look at BBJuke, IceDJ, DJ In A Box, etc. AlanC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 8:56:38 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 08:56:36 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtppop3pub.verizon.net (smtppop3pub.gte.net [206.46.170.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D521737B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:56:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gte.net (evrtwa1-ar4-145-186.dsl.gtei.net [4.34.145.186]) by smtppop3pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; id KAA80201027 Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:51:59 -0600 (CST) Received: (from res03db2@localhost) by gte.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA12226; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:55:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from res03db2@gte.net) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:55:51 -0800 From: Robert Clark To: Warner Losh Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Message-ID: <20010102085551.B12195@darkstar.gte.net> References: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org>; from imp@bsdimp.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:23:44AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org vnc? [RC] On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 02:23:44AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: > > I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love > to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. > > I have a laptop that is able to play them mounted over NFS right now > fairly well. This works well for me, but my wife has troubles with > the ssh mpg123 XXX/YYY/01-foo.mp3 interface :-). I don't suppose > there's a nice web interface for something like this. Something she > could say "play this CD in repeat for ever mode". She doesn't have X > windows (her machine is a win98 box), so I can't just pop up xmms onto > her screen. > > Besides, I'd like to have some control of the music and get songs I > like into the queue. > > Ideas? > > Warner > > P.S. Yada yada yada FreeBSD yada yada yada 4.2-stable yada yada yada > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 9:55:28 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 09:55:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from thalia.fm.intel.com (thalia.fm.intel.com [132.233.247.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D2AB37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from SMTP (fmsmsxvs03-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.203]) by thalia.fm.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.33 2000/11/21 19:27:27 smothers Exp $) with SMTP id RAA26455; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:56:12 GMT Received: from fmsmsx19.fm.intel.com ([132.233.48.19]) by 132.233.48.203 (Norton AntiVirus for Internet Email Gateways 1.0) ; Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:54:50 0000 (GMT) Received: by fmsmsx19.fm.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:54:49 -0800 Message-ID: <39B5C4829263D411AA93009027AE9EBBCA150B@FMSMSX35> From: "Mathews, AaronX R" To: "'Warner Losh'" Cc: "'chat@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Web based mp3 player? Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:54:33 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jwz has written something that may work for you: http://www.jwz.org/gronk/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Warner Losh [mailto:imp@bsdimp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 2:24 AM > To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Web based mp3 player? > > > > I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love > to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. > > I have a laptop that is able to play them mounted over NFS right now > fairly well. This works well for me, but my wife has troubles with > the ssh mpg123 XXX/YYY/01-foo.mp3 interface :-). I don't suppose > there's a nice web interface for something like this. Something she > could say "play this CD in repeat for ever mode". She doesn't have X > windows (her machine is a win98 box), so I can't just pop up xmms onto > her screen. > > Besides, I'd like to have some control of the music and get songs I > like into the queue. > > Ideas? > > Warner > > P.S. Yada yada yada FreeBSD yada yada yada 4.2-stable yada yada yada > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 14:18:14 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:18:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9DF37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f02MHwx45057; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:17:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:17:57 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: "G. Adam Stanislav" Cc: Andre Albsmeier , Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel In-Reply-To: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 31 Dec 2000, G. Adam Stanislav wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2000 at 05:24:05PM +0100, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > OK, here's my update. I did: > > "strip -R .comment -R .note kernel" > > It did strip it all in one pass. I rebooted with the new kernel. It gave > me an error message: > > "kvm_mkdb: /kernel: stripped: Inappropriate file type or format" ps/top/friends are probably busted now. You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 15: 1:29 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 15:01:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EC0D37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:01:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08354; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:00:49 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102155947.04678240@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:00:42 -0700 To: Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Cc: Andre Albsmeier , Greg Lehey , chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: >ps/top/friends are probably busted now. > >You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 16:39:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:39:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4180037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87AE96A911; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:09:25 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:09:25 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , Andre Albsmeier , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> <4.3.2.7.2.20010102155947.04678240@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010102155947.04678240@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:00:42PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: > >> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. >> >> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. > > Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? That's what we do. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 21:43:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 21:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A92437B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 21:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA31339; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 05:42:18 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 05:42:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: "Mathews, AaronX R" Cc: "'Warner Losh'" , "'chat@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Web based mp3 player? In-Reply-To: <39B5C4829263D411AA93009027AE9EBBCA150B@FMSMSX35> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, Mathews, AaronX R wrote: > jwz has written something that may work for you: http://www.jwz.org/gronk/ This is exactly what I thought of when I saw the original message. I believe that is the perfect solution. jwz has a machine running mozilla for a computer-based piece of audio equipment. He even spray-painted the case black to match the stereo... ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 22:31: 2 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:30:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from david.siemens.de (david.siemens.de [192.35.17.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 885B637B6AA for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:30:45 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer david.siemens.de) Received: from mail3.siemens.de (mail3.siemens.de [139.25.208.14]) by david.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f036UUr27269; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:30:31 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail3.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f036UUp14392347; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:30:30 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f036UU610811; Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:30:29 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Greg Lehey Cc: Brett Glass , Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , Andre Albsmeier , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20010103073029.B29371@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 11:09:25AM +1030 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 03-Jan-2001 at 11:09:25 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > > At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: > > > >> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. > >> > >> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. > > > > Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? > > That's what we do. Apart from the "[ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release)" stuff. They can be avoided by using -fno-ident during compilation time. -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 22:39:46 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:39:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4CE37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:39:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FBD6A911; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:09:35 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:09:35 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Andre Albsmeier Cc: Brett Glass , Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20010103170935.S4336@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010103073029.B29371@curry.mchp.siemens.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010103073029.B29371@curry.mchp.siemens.de>; from andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 07:30:29AM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 3 January 2001 at 7:30:29 +0100, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > On Wed, 03-Jan-2001 at 11:09:25 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >>> At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: >>> >>>> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. >>>> >>>> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. >>> >>> Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? >> >> That's what we do. > > Apart from the "[ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release)" > stuff. They can be avoided by using -fno-ident during compilation > time. Well, we don't have that explicit flag in the kernel compile, but these idents no longer end up in the kernel. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 2 22:51:45 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 22:51:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from goliath.siemens.de (goliath.siemens.de [194.138.37.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E3F237B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:51:40 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-Sender-Is: andre.albsmeier@mchp.siemens.de (at relayer goliath.siemens.de) Received: from mail1.siemens.de (mail1.siemens.de [139.23.33.14]) by goliath.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f036pOH17231; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:51:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from curry.mchp.siemens.de (curry.mchp.siemens.de [139.25.42.7]) by mail1.siemens.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f036pN808936; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:51:23 +0100 (MET) Received: (from localhost) by curry.mchp.siemens.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f036pN611477; Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:51:23 +0100 From: Andre Albsmeier To: Greg Lehey Cc: Andre Albsmeier , Brett Glass , Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20010103075123.A30917@curry.mchp.siemens.de> References: <20001231142437.A269@whizkidtech.net> <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20010103073029.B29371@curry.mchp.siemens.de> <20010103170935.S4336@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010103170935.S4336@wantadilla.lemis.com>; from grog@lemis.com on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 05:09:35PM +1030 X-Echelon: BND CIA NSA Mossad KGB MI6 IRA detonator nuclear assault strike Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 03-Jan-2001 at 17:09:35 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 3 January 2001 at 7:30:29 +0100, Andre Albsmeier wrote: > > On Wed, 03-Jan-2001 at 11:09:25 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > >>> At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: > >>> > >>>> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. > >>>> > >>>> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. > >>> > >>> Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? > >> > >> That's what we do. > > > > Apart from the "[ASM_FILE_END]GCC: (c) 2.95.2 19991024 (release)" > > stuff. They can be avoided by using -fno-ident during compilation > > time. > > Well, we don't have that explicit flag in the kernel compile, but > these idents no longer end up in the kernel. Hmm, I just compiled a kernel with COPTFLAGS= -O -m486 -pipe. root@bali:/usr/obj/src/src-4/sys/bali>strings -a kernel | grep ASM_FILE_END | wc 381 1905 18669 When adding -fno-ident to COPTFLAGS, these are gone. As I wrote in another mail, adding -fno-ident to CFLAGS in /etc/make.conf makes my /usr/obj shrink of about 7MB. All this is on 4.2-STABLE. Maybe -current behaves different... -Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 0:33:20 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 00:33:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D46B37B402; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:33:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 021EA574F0; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:33:50 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 02:33:50 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Jing-Tang Keith Jang Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/editors/AbiWord Makefile distinfo pkg-plist ports/editors/AbiWord/files patch-as patch-at patch-au patch-ba patch-an patch-ap patch-aa patch-ag Message-ID: <20010103023350.F65492@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <200101030751.f037pIm01773@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101030751.f037pIm01773@freefall.freebsd.org>; from keith@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:51:18PM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 11:51:18PM -0800, Jing-Tang Keith Jang scribbled: | keith 2001/01/02 23:51:18 PST | | Modified files: | editors/AbiWord Makefile distinfo pkg-plist | editors/AbiWord/files patch-an patch-ap | Added files: | editors/AbiWord/files patch-as patch-at patch-au patch-ba | Removed files: | editors/AbiWord/files patch-aa patch-ag | Log: | Update to 0.7.12. Thanks to Alec Wolman(maintainer), it now uses iconv | from our ports system, rather than the modified version from AbiWord. | | Submitted by: "Alec Wolman" (MAINTAINER) Woot! Does this mean we get the chinese/abiword port soon? I know that we have been waiting for a Chinese .doc editor. :) Go! Go! Go! Drive-by Commit! :P -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 1:58: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 01:57:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [65.0.135.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0F837B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:57:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.wemm.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f039vjq02105; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 01:57:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200101030957.f039vjq02105@mobile.wemm.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Brett Glass , Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , Andre Albsmeier , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel In-Reply-To: <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 01:57:45 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > > At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: > > > >> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. > >> > >> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. > > > > Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? > > That's what we do. No we dont. top (among other things) use some static symbols which strip(8) removes. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 3:16:57 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 03:16:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6806937B69B for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:16:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F35566A90D; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:46:47 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:46:47 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Peter Wemm Cc: Brett Glass , Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , Andre Albsmeier , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel Message-ID: <20010103214647.W4336@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010103110925.I40453@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200101030957.f039vjq02105@mobile.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101030957.f039vjq02105@mobile.wemm.org>; from peter@netplex.com.au on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 01:57:45AM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 3 January 2001 at 1:57:45 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >>> At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: >>> >>>> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. >>>> >>>> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. >>> >>> Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? >> >> That's what we do. > > No we dont. top (among other things) use some static symbols which strip(8) > removes. You're missing the point. That's why we don't remove them. Or are you saying that top doesn't work? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 3:30:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 03:30:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from trinity.skynet.be (trinity.skynet.be [195.238.2.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D4E37B698 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 03:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.17.1.121] (warp-core.skynet.be [195.238.2.25]) by trinity.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B1B1831C; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:30:14 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:29:58 +0100 To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List From: Brad Knowles Subject: Updated benchmarking results... Cc: Greg Lehey Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, Okay, I've updated the page at to include links to the new testing I've done, as well as to draw some conclusions. I'd appreciate any and all feedback you can give me. Thanks! -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 10: 6:24 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:06:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mobile.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [65.0.135.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F1137B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from netplex.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mobile.wemm.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f03I6Dq04416; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:06:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@netplex.com.au) Message-Id: <200101031806.f03I6Dq04416@mobile.wemm.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Brett Glass , Doug White , "G. Adam Stanislav" , Andre Albsmeier , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Removing GNU from kernel In-Reply-To: <20010103214647.W4336@wantadilla.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 10:06:13 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > On Wednesday, 3 January 2001 at 1:57:45 -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Tuesday, 2 January 2001 at 16:00:42 -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > >>> At 03:17 PM 1/2/2001, Doug White wrote: > >>> > >>>> ps/top/friends are probably busted now. > >>>> > >>>> You can't strip the symbols from the kernel or you get this. > >>> > >>> Ouch. Is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols? > >> > >> That's what we do. > > > > No we dont. top (among other things) use some static symbols which strip(8) > > removes. > > You're missing the point. That's why we don't remove them. Or are > you saying that top doesn't work? Reread the quoted messages above. It was asked "is it possible to leave just the necessary symbols". You said "we do", but we dont. It is fairly easy to do this though. We just need to remove a couple of 'static' declarations and then top etc will work with a stripped kernel. Strip only removes one of the two symbol tables. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 10:17:23 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 10:17:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766AE37B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 10:17:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14DsTQ-000DIt-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:17:20 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f03IHJ241741 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:17:19 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 18:17:19 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: burgers and thunks ??? Message-ID: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, this is gonna sound weird, but I was looking for an email I apparently deleted that was explaining the concept of a thunk. I found the explanation, but I vaguely remember a reference to a term starting with the word 'burger' that also was a programming technique used years ago. Is their any such thing as a 'burgermaster'? Or does anyone have any idea what I might be talking about? :) jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org They laugh because I'm different. I laugh because they're all the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 11:42: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 11:41:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CFF37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:41:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00343; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:40:34 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101031940.IAA00343@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: j mckitrick Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:40:42 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 3 Jan 2001, at 18:17, j mckitrick wrote: > Is > their any such thing as a 'burgermaster'? FWIW, I have heard the expression before. But I don't have anymore information. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 11:43:28 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 11:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (unknown [64.46.248.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455D637B400; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (unknown [64.46.248.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDA71623F; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23725; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:43:22 -0500 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:43:18 -0500 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569C9.006C2166 ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:41:04 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <852569C9.006C2079.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:43:50 -0700 Subject: INFORMATIONWEEK Acknowleges the *BSDs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today at lunch, while thumbing through last month's issue of Informationweek, I just about fell out of my chair when I got to the last page of this article: http://www.informationweek.com/817/source.htm ...and to think I thought they only knew about M$ and Linux. Cheers Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 12: 9:43 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 12:09:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gratis.grondar.za (grouter.grondar.za [196.7.18.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752A937B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from grondar.za (root@gratis.grondar.za [196.7.18.133]) by gratis.grondar.za (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f03K6PY02586; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:06:28 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.za) Message-Id: <200101032006.f03K6PY02586@gratis.grondar.za> To: dan@langille.org Cc: j mckitrick , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? References: <200101031940.IAA00343@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <200101031940.IAA00343@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> ; from "Dan Langille" "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 08:40:42 +1300." Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:06:29 +0200 From: Mark Murray Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On 3 Jan 2001, at 18:17, j mckitrick wrote: > > > Is > > their any such thing as a 'burgermaster'? > > FWIW, I have heard the expression before. But I don't have anymore > information. "Burgermeister" is German for "mayor". IIRC, "Burger" by itself means "citizen". M -- Mark Murray Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 13:59:48 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 13:59:46 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch (mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch [62.48.0.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60F0B37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 13:59:45 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 68085 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 21:57:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telehouse.ch) ([195.134.128.53]) (envelope-sender ) by mailtoaster1.pipeline.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Jan 2001 21:57:05 -0000 Message-ID: <3A53A098.D7E4DB42@telehouse.ch> Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:58:48 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Murray Cc: dan@langille.org, j mckitrick , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? References: <200101031940.IAA00343@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> <200101032006.f03K6PY02586@gratis.grondar.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Murray wrote: > > > On 3 Jan 2001, at 18:17, j mckitrick wrote: > > > > > Is > > > their any such thing as a 'burgermaster'? > > > > FWIW, I have heard the expression before. But I don't have anymore > > information. > > "Burgermeister" is German for "mayor". IIRC, "Burger" by itself means > "citizen". Actually it's not "Burger" but "B�rger" or "Buerger" which sounds quite different... A "Burger" is what you get at BurgerKing or MacDonalds and a "B�rger" has a Umlaut, a "�" that sounds like... hmm... like Uebergeek... -- Andre To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 3 21:50:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 21:50:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1619637B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:50:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22431; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 22:49:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103211044.04906e60@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 21:21:29 -0700 To: j mckitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? In-Reply-To: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cookies and burgers and thunks -- oh, my! (Or maybe they're "chocolate thunk" cookies.) Seriously, Microsoft has something called "Burgermaster," named after a local lunch spot (as was the "El Torito" bootable CD standard). Could that be it? --Brett At 11:17 AM 1/3/2001, j mckitrick wrote: >Okay, this is gonna sound weird, but I was looking for an email I apparently >deleted that was explaining the concept of a thunk. I found the >explanation, but I vaguely remember a reference to a term starting with the >word 'burger' that also was a programming technique used years ago. Is >their any such thing as a 'burgermaster'? Or does anyone have any idea what >I might be talking about? :) > >jm >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org >They laugh because I'm different. I laugh because they're all the same. >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 2:46:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 02:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (unknown [194.128.198.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2668937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f04Ah0S02718; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:43:00 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 10:42:59 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: j mckitrick Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Message-ID: <20010104104259.A2645@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:17:19PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:17:19PM +0000, j mckitrick wrote: > Okay, this is gonna sound weird, but I was looking for an email I apparently > deleted that was explaining the concept of a thunk. I found the > explanation, but I vaguely remember a reference to a term starting with the > word 'burger' that also was a programming technique used years ago. Is > their any such thing as a 'burgermaster'? Or does anyone have any idea what > I might be talking about? :) Oh God, that brings back memories from my youth, writing Windows 3.0 applications for fun and profit. I first read about this in one of the Charles Petzold books. BURGERMASTER was the name of a segment maintained by Windows that contained a table that mapped 'handles' (fake 'pointers' that most of the Windows 3.x API returned when you wanted to manipulate something) to actual memory locations. As I recall, if you wanted to manipulate the structure that contained information about a window, you would use an API function to get the Handle, lock the Handle, convert the Handle to a pointer (which is what the BURGERMASTER segment was for), diddle the structure, then unlock the Handle. Windows maintained the BURGERMASTER segment itself. The name was just a local restaurant of some of the Windows developers. Doubtless a Google search will turn up more. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 2:50:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 02:50:29 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC6037B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 02:50:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f04AoQM04659 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:50:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id LAA14784 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:50:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:50:26 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: desktops and mounting Message-ID: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work either. This can be pretty important to some people. There is a workaround in the FAQ, but it's fairly complicated and the end result is you can mount it to a mount point owned by you but you still can't create an fstab entry and issue a simple command like mount ~/cdrom -- you have to write the full mount command including the device etc. It may be possible to configure KDE or GNOME to do the right thing -- I haven't tried -- but even so, one may have to do this individually for every user. Also, the FAQ entry issues dire warnings about system security and so on. Any thoughts? Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 3: 8: 3 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 03:08:01 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gvr.gvr.org (gvr.gvr.org [194.151.74.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8AD37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:07:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by gvr.gvr.org (Postfix, from userid 657) id 3B1705848; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:07:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:07:55 +0100 From: Guido van Rooij To: Andre Oppermann Cc: Mark Murray , dan@langille.org, j mckitrick , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Message-ID: <20010104120755.A31355@gvr.gvr.org> References: <200101031940.IAA00343@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> <200101032006.f03K6PY02586@gratis.grondar.za> <3A53A098.D7E4DB42@telehouse.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <3A53A098.D7E4DB42@telehouse.ch>; from oppermann@telehouse.ch on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:58:48PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 10:58:48PM +0100, Andre Oppermann wrote: > > Actually it's not "Burger" but "B�rger" or "Buerger" which sounds > quite different... > > A "Burger" is what you get at BurgerKing or MacDonalds and a "B�rger" > has a Umlaut, a "�" that sounds like... hmm... like Uebergeek... Burger is the ducth word for citizen. Perhaps also African. -Guido To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 3:17:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 03:17:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4529B37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:17:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03290; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:17:26 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101041117.AAA03290@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: Nik Clayton Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:17:08 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20010104104259.A2645@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 06:17:19PM +0000 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Jan 2001, at 10:42, Nik Clayton wrote: > Oh God, that brings back memories from my youth, writing Windows 3.0 > applications for fun and profit. Oh gawd, that must make me ancient then. I remember writing Windows 2.11 programs! > I first read about this in one of the > Charles Petzold books. Ahhh, that explains why it was familiar to me. And my being somewhat older than you explains why I couldn't remember it. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 3:18:38 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 03:18:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7131A37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:18:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (guppy.dons.net.au [203.31.81.9]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15663; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:47:48 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 21:47:47 +1030 (CST) Sender: darius@cain.gsoft.com.au From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Rahul Siddharthan Subject: RE: desktops and mounting Cc: chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Jan-01 Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > possible to configure KDE or GNOME to do the right thing -- I haven't > tried -- but even so, one may have to do this individually for every > user. Also, the FAQ entry issues dire warnings about system security > and so on. > > Any thoughts? You could write some sudo rules to allow a group to mount things (and only certain things) fairly easily. Not as simple I know but not too bad :) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 3:58:57 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 03:58:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D39937B698 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 03:58:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14E92i-0003kq-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:58:52 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04BwpB52747; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:58:51 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:58:51 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: Brett Glass Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Message-ID: <20010104115851.A52708@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010103211044.04906e60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103211044.04906e60@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 09:21:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | Seriously, Microsoft has something called "Burgermaster," named | after a local lunch spot (as was the "El Torito" bootable CD | standard). Could that be it? That's it, Brett! I think it might have been you that mentioned it anyway. So, what exactly is it? The programming term, not the restaurant. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 4:26:28 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 04:26:26 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (unknown [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9026237B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:26:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:22:55 +0200 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: 'Rahul Siddharthan' Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: desktops and mounting Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:22:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Rahul Siddharthan > > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work > either. Yes, I am one of those who don't like to su every time I need to mount something. So I did the following: chmod 4555 /sbin/mount* chmod 4555 /sbin/umount Read the chmod man page to see what that 4 bit means. You can do the same for all the utilities who need root access. In order to improve security, you can something like: chgrp somegroup mount* chmod 4550 mount* and add your users to the "somegroup" group. Of course, you may need to change permision for the mount directory as well. (this works for me; i didn't read the FAQ about this, so I can't say anything about what is there. and yes, the result is that i can do something like "mount /cdrom", "mount_cd9660 /dev/something ~/mnt/cdrom" and such.) stefan (i really thing that this should be redirected to -questions, but i am too lasy to do this :) > > This can be pretty important to some people. There is a workaround in > the FAQ, but it's fairly complicated and the end result is you can > mount it to a mount point owned by you but you still can't create an > fstab entry and issue a simple command like mount ~/cdrom -- you have > to write the full mount command including the device etc. It may be > possible to configure KDE or GNOME to do the right thing -- I haven't > tried -- but even so, one may have to do this individually for every > user. Also, the FAQ entry issues dire warnings about system security > and so on. > > Any thoughts? > > Rahul > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 4:37:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 04:37:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CF137B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f04Cb0M13226 ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:37:00 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id NAA18844 ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:36:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:36:59 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Stefan KORONKA Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktops and mounting Message-ID: <20010104133659.E10414@lpt.ens.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from KoronkaS@interscope.ro on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:22:53PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan KORONKA said on Jan 4, 2001 at 14:22:53: > > From: Rahul Siddharthan > > > > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, > > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option > > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work > > either. > > Yes, I am one of those who don't like to su every time I need to mount > something. So I did the following: > > chmod 4555 /sbin/mount* > chmod 4555 /sbin/umount > > Read the chmod man page to see what that 4 bit means. You can do the same > for all the utilities who need root access. In order to improve security, > you can something like: > > chgrp somegroup mount* > chmod 4550 mount* > > and add your users to the "somegroup" group. Interesting. Now that I look and see, the mount program is already suid on linux systems. However, won't doing this mean that an arbitrary user can mount/dismount any filesystem, not just the CDROM? (linux has the "user" option in /etc/fstab which is required for non-root mounting.) Thanks Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 4:55:15 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 04:55:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from uranus.interscope.ro (unknown [193.226.188.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57AFC37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:55:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by URANUS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:51:49 +0200 Message-ID: From: Stefan KORONKA To: 'Rahul Siddharthan' Cc: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: RE: desktops and mounting Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:51:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Stefan KORONKA said on Jan 4, 2001 at 14:22:53: > > > From: Rahul Siddharthan > > > > > > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > > > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > > > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > > > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media > (like floppies, > > > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a > "user" option > > > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME > doesn't work > > > either. > > > > Yes, I am one of those who don't like to su every time I > need to mount > > something. So I did the following: > > > > chmod 4555 /sbin/mount* > > chmod 4555 /sbin/umount > > > > Read the chmod man page to see what that 4 bit means. You > can do the same > > for all the utilities who need root access. In order to > improve security, > > you can something like: > > > > chgrp somegroup mount* > > chmod 4550 mount* > > > > and add your users to the "somegroup" group. > > Interesting. Now that I look and see, the mount program is already > suid on linux systems. However, won't doing this mean that > an arbitrary > user can mount/dismount any filesystem, not just the CDROM? (linux > has the "user" option in /etc/fstab which is required for non-root > mounting.) > Yes, I know. Of course, you can do only "chmod 4550 mount_cd9660", but you still need to modify the access for the umount. You better ask this on -questions; i am wondering what the answer is too - if there will be some answer. stefan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 4:58: 5 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 04:58:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from citusc.usc.edu (citusc.usc.edu [128.125.38.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3F537B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:58:03 -0800 (PST) Received: (from kris@localhost) by citusc.usc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA06293; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:58:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 04:58:30 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktops and mounting Message-ID: <20010104045830.A6003@citusc.usc.edu> References: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr>; from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:50:26AM +0100 Sender: kris@citusc.usc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:50:26AM +0100, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work > either. There's a sysctl which allows user mounting of filesystems (vfs.usermount). And it *is* a potential security hole if your permissions aren't set right. Set the sysctl in rc.sysctl, add the file system to fstab with noauto, and then any user who passes the permissions check can mount it on demand. Kris --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6VHN1Wry0BWjoQKURAuMVAKD1wb0q/JuB4ntgdXt8D8v+tu2fmwCeP9zx FE1i19lcsRIw0Coxh2C/M3o= =ViP5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --PEIAKu/WMn1b1Hv9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 5: 0:13 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 05:00:11 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0698637B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f04D05M14828 ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:00:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA19869 ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:00:03 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:00:03 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Stefan KORONKA Cc: "'chat@freebsd.org'" Subject: Re: desktops and mounting Message-ID: <20010104140003.G10414@lpt.ens.fr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from KoronkaS@interscope.ro on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:51:47PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Stefan KORONKA said on Jan 4, 2001 at 14:51:47: > > > > Interesting. Now that I look and see, the mount program is already > > suid on linux systems. However, won't doing this mean that > > an arbitrary > > user can mount/dismount any filesystem, not just the CDROM? (linux > > has the "user" option in /etc/fstab which is required for non-root > > mounting.) > > > > Yes, I know. Of course, you can do only "chmod 4550 mount_cd9660", > but you still need to modify the access for the umount. > > You better ask this on -questions; i am wondering what the answer > is too - if there will be some answer. It's been asked before, several times. The standard answer is "read the FAQ". I wasn't really expecting to get better answers this time, just wondering whether anyone else thinks it is a problem. The sudo suggestion looks nice too. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 5: 1:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 05:01:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cip1.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip1.melaten.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.92.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E821C37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.92.12]) by cip1.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA01053; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:04:51 +0100 Received: (from tg@localhost) by cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA00554; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:13:38 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de) X-Authentication-Warning: cip12.melaten.rwth-aachen.de: tg set sender to tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de using -f Sender: tg@melaten.rwth-aachen.de To: Will Andrews Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: CVSROOT modules References: <200101040011.f040B6i84505@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Thomas Gellekum In-Reply-To: Will Andrews's message of "Wed, 3 Jan 2001 16:11:06 -0800 (PST)" Date: 04 Jan 2001 14:13:38 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Will Andrews writes: > will 2001/01/03 16:11:06 PST > > Modified files: > . modules > Log: > Finish my four-day attempt to nearly sync with CPAN. I think I'm > gonna get off my computer for awhile.. Next step: the CPAN meta-port. tg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 5: 5:42 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 05:05:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B78737B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:05:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f04D5cM15444 ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:05:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id OAA20181 ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:05:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:05:37 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Kris Kennaway Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: desktops and mounting Message-ID: <20010104140537.H10414@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> <20010104045830.A6003@citusc.usc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010104045830.A6003@citusc.usc.edu>; from kris@freebsd.org on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 04:58:30AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway said on Jan 4, 2001 at 04:58:30: > On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:50:26AM +0100, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, > > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option > > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work > > either. > > There's a sysctl which allows user mounting of filesystems > (vfs.usermount). And it *is* a potential security hole if your > permissions aren't set right. > > Set the sysctl in rc.sysctl, add the file system to fstab with noauto, > and then any user who passes the permissions check can mount it on > demand. That is essentially the FAQ answer, but I seem to remember that the user still needs to own the mount point, so adding a single mount point to fstab doesn't work. Users should make mount points within their own home directories. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 5:18:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 05:18:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0702D37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14EAHY-0009ND-00; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:18:16 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f04DICx56098; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:18:12 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:18:12 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Message-ID: <20010104131811.A56012@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010104104259.A2645@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010104104259.A2645@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:42:59AM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | BURGERMASTER was the name of a segment maintained by Windows that | contained a table that mapped 'handles' (fake 'pointers' that most of | the Windows 3.x API returned when you wanted to manipulate something) to | actual memory locations. As I recall, if you wanted to manipulate the | structure that contained information about a window, you would use an | API function to get the Handle, lock the Handle, convert the Handle to a | pointer (which is what the BURGERMASTER segment was for), diddle the | structure, then unlock the Handle. Windows maintained the BURGERMASTER | segment itself. That explains it! Thanks Nik. jm -- ------------------------------------------- Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org "When living with the prophecy for so long, the fulfillment is always a shock." ------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 5:28:27 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 05:28:25 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE1C37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:28:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f04DSLK26896; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:28:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 05:28:21 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Sanghoon Lee Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mailing List up plz. Message-ID: <20010104052821.Z292@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <001101c07652$eddddd30$5f21afd3@SHLEE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001101c07652$eddddd30$5f21afd3@SHLEE>; from shlee@mail.naver.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 10:33:30PM +0900 Sender: bright@fw.wintelcom.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Sanghoon Lee [010104 05:23] wrote: > Mailing List up plz. Go go gadget mailing list! *BOING* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 11:17: 9 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 11:17:08 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (spaz.huntsvilleal.com [63.147.8.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF6237B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by Spaz.HuntsvilleAL.COM (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA69661 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:17:06 GMT (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:17:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby X-Sender: kris@spaz.huntsvilleal.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Interesting approach to GPL Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3a53b819-0804b520 The author considers the legal implications of copying a single character from GPL'd source code... ----- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 11:20:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 11:20:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ducky.nz.freebsd.org (ns1.unixathome.org [203.79.82.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DFD37B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:20:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from wocker (wocker.int.nz.freebsd.org [192.168.0.99]) by ducky.nz.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA00815 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:20:10 +1300 (NZDT) Message-Id: <200101041920.IAA00815@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> From: "Dan Langille" Organization: The FreeBSD Diary / FreshPorts To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:20:10 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Interesting approach to GPL Reply-To: dan@langille.org Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 4 Jan 2001, at 19:17, Kris Kirby wrote: > > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3a53b819-0804b520 > > The author considers the legal implications of copying a single character > from GPL'd source code... For the humour impaired, the article is satire. -- Dan Langille The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ FreshPorts - http://freshports.org/ NZ Broadband - http://unixathome.org/broadband/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 11:30:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 11:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055D037B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:30:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f04JSBG60602; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Rahul Siddharthan Subject: RE: desktops and mounting Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Jan-01 Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work > either. > > This can be pretty important to some people. There is a workaround in > the FAQ, but it's fairly complicated and the end result is you can > mount it to a mount point owned by you but you still can't create an > fstab entry and issue a simple command like mount ~/cdrom -- you have > to write the full mount command including the device etc. It may be > possible to configure KDE or GNOME to do the right thing -- I haven't > tried -- but even so, one may have to do this individually for every > user. Also, the FAQ entry issues dire warnings about system security > and so on. > > Any thoughts? On my desktop I have sudo configured to allow mounting of CD's and floppies without requiring a password, then I have gkrellm configured to use sudo to run the commands to mount the disks when I click on the button. However, this only allows read access as everything is mounted as root:wheel. :-P > Rahul -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 12:15:43 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 12:15:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.thpoon.com (cr103675-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.106.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5060837B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:15:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7460 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2001 20:15:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tea.thpoon.com) (mail@192.168.1.2) by cr103675-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2001 20:15:35 -0000 Received: from antipode by tea.thpoon.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14EGnO-0002WD-00 for ; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 15:15:34 -0500 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktops and mounting References: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> From: Arcady Genkin X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Organization: thpoon.com Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 04 Jan 2001 15:15:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> Message-ID: <87snmzm5uh.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media For me, the only thing that keeps me from moving from Linux to FreeBSD on my desktop is cdparanoia. http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Can't wait till version IV of the library comes out (which is supposed to be more portable). -- Arcady Genkin Don't read everything you believe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 12:24:53 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 12:24:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D4737B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:24:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29161; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:24:46 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010104132258.051a3950@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:24:37 -0700 To: Nik Clayton , j mckitrick From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010104104259.A2645@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:42 AM 1/4/2001, Nik Clayton wrote: >The name was just a local restaurant of some of the Windows developers. >Doubtless a Google search will turn up more. Actually, Burgermaster is a "carhop" burger joint very close to Microsoft's offices. Gates is reputed to patronize it regularly to this day. They serve very large burgers, greasy, salty fries, and chocolate cokes. Definitely a serious junk food haven. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 12:30:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 12:30:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0747E37B698 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29211; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:29:28 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010104132546.051b1c00@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 13:29:19 -0700 To: j mckitrick From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010104115851.A52708@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20010103211044.04906e60@localhost> <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010103211044.04906e60@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:58 AM 1/4/2001, j mckitrick wrote: >That's it, Brett! I think it might have been you that mentioned it anyway. >So, what exactly is it? The programming term, not the restaurant. :) Answered very well by Nik elsewhere in this thread. Burgermaster is a "take out" restaurant. The "Burgermaster" segment in Windows allowed you to "check out" a Windows data structure via a mutex semaphore, lock it down in memory so it didn't move, and then manipulate it. They stopped needing it when they went from Mac-like heap handles to "real" VM in Win32, but it still exists in their 16-bit Windows emulation. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 12:43:14 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 12:43:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A749F37B402; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:43:12 -0800 (PST) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f04Kh9H14223; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:43:09 -0800 Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 12:43:09 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Brett Glass Cc: Nik Clayton , j mckitrick , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: burgers and thunks ??? Message-ID: <20010104124309.A13545@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010103181718.B41405@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20010104104259.A2645@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20010104132258.051a3950@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010104132258.051a3950@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:24:37PM -0700 Sender: brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:24:37PM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > Actually, Burgermaster is a "carhop" burger joint very close to > Microsoft's offices. Gates is reputed to patronize it regularly > to this day. They serve very large burgers, greasy, salty fries, > and chocolate cokes. Definitely a serious junk food haven. There's one about two blocks from my house. It's truly bad. To say the fries are greasy is like saying the ocean is a bit wet. If you don't eat them right out of the fryer the fat starts to congeal and they become inediable. I don't eat there anymore even when I'm looking for greasy burgers. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 13:31:23 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 13:31:22 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE39037B402 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 13:31:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA29811; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 14:31:09 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010104142919.04acfe70@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 14:30:59 -0700 To: Kris Kirby , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Interesting approach to GPL In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This reminds me of the Superman comic in which Lex Luthor obtains a copyright on the alphabet. Until a judge rules that the copyright is invalid, the law-abiding Superman is, shall we say, at a loss for words.... --Brett At 12:17 PM 1/4/2001, Kris Kirby wrote: >http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3a53b819-0804b520 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 16:49:16 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 16:49:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-56-41.knology.net [24.214.56.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6523537B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:49:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f050lfp24092; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:47:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200101050047.f050lfp24092@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: desktops and mounting In-reply-to: Message from Rahul Siddharthan of "Thu, 04 Jan 2001 11:50:26 +0100." <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 18:47:41 -0600 Sender: dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan writes: > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media (like floppies, > CDROMs). You can't allow user mounts simply by adding a "user" option > in /etc/fstab, and simple point-and-clicking in KDE/GNOME doesn't work > either. Something I keep in mind to suggest The Next Time Somebody Asks If There Is Something Neat That Needs To Be Done, is to suggest a userland super error checked filesystem driver. The idea being quick and safe access to removable media. A corrupt mounted filesystem can bring most any Unix system down so I think this code outside of the kernel should take its time to be safe. For floppies /usr/ports/emulation/mtools/ works very well. It doesn't mount the floppy but allows files to be copied to/from, listed, directories created, and everything short of being able to easily use the floppy as storage for other running processes. Would be pretty neat if mtools would do the same for CDROM as it currently does for floppies. Maybe it does? Another neat thing such a utility could do is to import SMB and AppleShare shares. Could be even nicer if it was to automatically lock down permissions on anything I mount from others on the system. Maybe even hide from the mount table. SGI uses a process outside of the kernel for dealing with Zip, CDROM, and floppy drives. Found if you have 40k or 50k of files on a CDROM that it can be pretty slow but if its default directory cache was kicked up from 1MB to 2MB my problem was cured. Clearly it was caching outside of the kernel's filesystem space. May be this is something they are giving away these days? -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 17:14:44 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 17:14:42 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457DE37B400; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:14:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA13169; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:44:36 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200101041243.f04CheQ16698@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:44:36 +1030 (CST) Sender: doconnor@gsoft.com.au From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: SXren Schmidt Subject: RE: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 04-Jan-01 SXren Schmidt wrote: > sos 2001/01/04 04:43:39 PST > > Modified files: > sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h > Log: > Add support for using BurnProff(tm) on drives that support it. > > This is experimental as I dont have such a drive, reports welcome!! Do you know what this actually does? I have seen 'uses Burn Proof (tm) technology' on adds for CDR's but I didn't know what it meant. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 21:59:56 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 21:59:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4484237B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:59:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E7FCD574FE; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:00:38 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:00:38 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: Arcady Genkin Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktops and mounting Message-ID: <20010105000038.A50543@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> <87snmzm5uh.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <87snmzm5uh.fsf@tea.thpoon.com>; from antipode@thpoon.com on Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:15:34PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:15:34PM -0500, Arcady Genkin scribbled: | Rahul Siddharthan writes: | | > Recently while setting up a FreeBSD machine for desktop use, and | > watching linux users on their machines, it seemed to me that | > everything that can be done on linux can be done equally easily on | > FreeBSD -- except non-root mounting of removable media | | For me, the only thing that keeps me from moving from Linux to FreeBSD | on my desktop is cdparanoia. http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Can't wait | till version IV of the library comes out (which is supposed to be more | portable). ports/audio/grip, ripenc, ripit(-atapi if you have IDE) grip works out of the box, names the songs for you. -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 4 23:53:28 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 4 23:53:27 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D649337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:53:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:51:44 -0800 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f057rPQ25551; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:53:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:53:24 -0800 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: Dan Langille Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Interesting approach to GPL Message-ID: <20010104235324.O95729@rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexco> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <200101041920.IAA00815@ducky.nz.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200101041920.IAA00815@ducky.nz.freebsd.org>; from dan@langille.org on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 08:20:10AM +1300 Sender: cjc@rfx-64-6-211-149.users.reflexcom.com Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 08:20:10AM +1300, Dan Langille wrote: > On 4 Jan 2001, at 19:17, Kris Kirby wrote: > > > > > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3a53b819-0804b520 > > > > The author considers the legal implications of copying a single character > > from GPL'd source code... > > For the humour impaired, the article is satire. Reminds me of this oldie but goodie, http://www.theonion.com/onion3311/microsoftpatents.html -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 0:30:14 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 00:30:12 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19F937B404; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA95057; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:29:55 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200101050829.JAA95057@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h In-Reply-To: from "Daniel O'Connor" at "Jan 5, 2001 11:44:36 am" To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au (Daniel O'Connor) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:29:55 +0100 (CET) Cc: sos@FreeBSD.org (SXren Schmidt), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 04-Jan-01 SXren Schmidt wrote: > > sos 2001/01/04 04:43:39 PST > > > > Modified files: > > sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h > > Log: > > Add support for using BurnProff(tm) on drives that support it. > > > > This is experimental as I dont have such a drive, reports welcome!! > > Do you know what this actually does? Burnproof is a technology that allow the laser to be switched on/off very quickly, so if you have a buffer underrun the drive just stops writing, when data arrives again, it starts off where it stopped without any noticeable gaps. This seems like a natural thing to do, but burners havn't been able to this until now, they needed a fair amount of time to switch on/off which would create non wanted gaps in the recorded data... I have no idea why burner's wasn't created this way to begin with :) -S�ren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 1:16: 9 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 01:16:07 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw (131.c170.ethome.net.tw [202.178.170.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D55A37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (from keith@localhost) by freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f059FfH36958 for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:15:41 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from keith) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:15:40 +0800 From: Jing-Tang Keith Jang To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/editors/AbiWord Makefile distinfo pkg-plist ports/editors/AbiWord/files patch-as patch-at patch-au patch-ba patch-an patch-ap patch-aa patch-ag Message-ID: <20010105171540.A7494@freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw> Reply-To: keith@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200101030751.f037pIm01773@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010103023350.F65492@peorth.iteration.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010103023350.F65492@peorth.iteration.net>; from keichii@iteration.net on Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 02:33:50AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw 5.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 01/03/01, Michael C . Wu wrote: > Woot! Does this mean we get the chinese/abiword port soon? > I know that we have been waiting for a Chinese .doc editor. :) > Go! Go! Go! Drive-by Commit! :P It seems that editors/AbiWord can't properly display Chinese due to the Abi-iconv removal. If it can't be fixed, maybe a chinese/AbiWord is necessary. :) And yes, my own build version can read/write both traditional Chinese & English .doc without any problem, though I didn't use advanced features of .doc, like macros. -- Keep it simple AND stupid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 1:46: 1 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 01:45:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5D337B402 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 01:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA28384; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:45:34 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f058vBZ69213; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:57:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:57:11 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Message-ID: <20010105095711.A69167@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <200101041243.f04CheQ16698@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from doconnor@gsoft.com.au on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:44:36AM +1030 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 11:44:36AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > I have seen 'uses Burn Proof (tm) technology' on adds for CDR's > but I didn't know what it meant. If the machine can't feed the burner with enough data and even buffering doesn't help much (overloaded system or whatever), then this burn proof technology lets the CD-Writer continue to write "as if data had been there available", so that in the end the CD-ROM isn't fully saturated with data, but *useable*. -- Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 3: 5:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 03:05:17 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631D037B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 03:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (guppy.dons.net.au [203.31.81.9]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA23396; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:33:50 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200101050829.JAA95057@freebsd.dk> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 21:33:49 +1030 (CST) Sender: darius@cain.gsoft.com.au From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Soren Schmidt Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org, (SXren Schmidt) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Jan-01 Soren Schmidt wrote: > Burnproof is a technology that allow the laser to be switched on/off > very quickly, so if you have a buffer underrun the drive just stops > writing, when data arrives again, it starts off where it stopped > without any noticeable gaps. This seems like a natural thing to do, > but burners havn't been able to this until now, they needed a fair > amount of time to switch on/off which would create non wanted > gaps in the recorded data... > > I have no idea why burner's wasn't created this way to begin with :) Ahh OK, makes sense, but as you say, why didn't they do that to begin with? :) Thanks for the information. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 4:11:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 04:11:34 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [194.221.183.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4EA6337B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 04:11:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27167 invoked by uid 0); 5 Jan 2001 12:11:27 -0000 Received: from a1as02-p132.stg.tli.de (195.252.185.132) by mail.gmx.net (mail03) with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 12:11:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:05:58 +0100 From: Andreas Gerhard X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46c) Personal Reply-To: Andreas Gerhard X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <961662819.20010105130558@gmx.net> To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD splash screen picture by Jason Wells in 1024*768? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello there, as personal inquieries have not helped me, I take the big dip and ask the community: Anybody out there knowing how to contact Jason Wells (former email ) or if his FreeBSD splash screen design RedNebula&Demon (www.baldwin.cx/splash/) is available as a highres version? Thx, Andreas This is a forwarded message From: Gregory Sutter To: Andreas Gerhard Date: Sunday, December 31, 2000, 1:51:48 AM Subject: [dn-editors] Fwd: FreeBSD splash screen picture in 1024*768 or higher available? ===8<==============Original message text=============== On 2000-12-27 12:22 +0100, Andreas Gerhard wrote: > Hello @daemonnews.org, > > as I found a collection of splash screens via bsdtoday.com > @www.baldwin.cx/splash/ I fell in love with one of them (red > nebula&demon) ;) As it is only 320*200 I tried to contact the > contributor about a highres version (wallpaper use). Unfortunately the > email came back, as the address does not seem to be valid anymore. > Being mentioned on the splash-screen-page, your site seems to be > involved. Can you help me with this? Sorry, I don't know Jason Wells new email address. Try asking over on . Greg -- Gregory S. Sutter Black holes were created mailto:gsutter@daemonnews.org when God divided by zero. hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD ===8<===========End of original message text=========== MfG, A.Gerhard mailto:andreas.gerhard@gmx.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 6:30:22 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 06:30:18 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from gray.westgate.gr (gray.westgate.gr [212.205.119.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B0937B402; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 06:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (from charon@localhost) by gray.westgate.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05ESqF06622; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:28:52 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:28:52 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Soren Schmidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, SXren Schmidt Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Message-ID: <20010105162852.C6404@gray.westgate.gr> References: <200101050829.JAA95057@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from doconnor@gsoft.com.au on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:33:49PM +1030 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:33:49PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 05-Jan-01 Soren Schmidt wrote: > > Burnproof is a technology that allow the laser to be switched on/off > > very quickly, so if you have a buffer underrun the drive just stops > > writing, when data arrives again, it starts off where it stopped > > without any noticeable gaps. This seems like a natural thing to do, > > but burners havn't been able to this until now, they needed a fair > > amount of time to switch on/off which would create non wanted > > gaps in the recorded data... > > > > I have no idea why burner's wasn't created this way to begin with :) > > Ahh OK, makes sense, but as you say, why didn't they do that to begin with? :) Probably because they hadn't come up with the idea yet? But as Soren explained, the time required to turn off/on the beam would create large gaps in the cdrom and they did not use it until recently. Another reason I could think for not using this is that if you have an image that barely fits an empty disk, leaving gaps might result in the image being partially written on the resulting cdrom disk :/ - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 8:15:50 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 08:15:49 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picalon.gun.de (picalon.gun.de [192.109.159.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C7137B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:15:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by picalon.gun.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA04494; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:15:34 +0100 (MET) >Received: (from andreas@localhost) by klemm.gtn.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f05FrlG74030; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:53:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from andreas) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:53:47 +0100 From: Andreas Klemm To: "Daniel O'Connor" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Message-ID: <20010105165347.A74010@titan.klemm.gtn.com> References: <200101041243.f04CheQ16698@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010105095711.A69167@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010105095711.A69167@titan.klemm.gtn.com>; from andreas@klemm.gtn.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:57:11AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE SMP X-Disclaimer: A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:57:11AM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: To followup myself, Sorens description is certainly more complete then mine, though it comes to the same point, that you might waste some place on the disk, if you can't deliver a certain sustained data rate to the device ;-) -- Andreas Klemm Powered by FreeBSD SMP Songs from our band >>64Bits<<............http://www.apsfilter.org/64bits.html My homepage................................ http://people.FreeBSD.ORG/~andreas Please note: Apsfilter got a NEW HOME................http://www.apsfilter.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 11:25:40 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 11:25:38 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.thpoon.com (cr103675-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com [24.42.106.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC1D837B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18617 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2001 19:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tea.thpoon.com) (mail@192.168.1.2) by cr103675-a.bloor1.on.wave.home.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2001 19:25:22 -0000 Received: from antipode by tea.thpoon.com with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14EcUL-00031y-00; Fri, 05 Jan 2001 14:25:21 -0500 To: "Michael C . Wu" Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: desktops and mounting References: <20010104115026.B10414@lpt.ens.fr> <87snmzm5uh.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> <20010105000038.A50543@peorth.iteration.net> From: Arcady Genkin X-Face: 0=A/O5-+sE[Tf%X>rYr?Y5LD4,:^'jaJ!4jC&UR*ZrrK2>^`g22Qeb]!:d;}2YJ|Hq"LHdF OX`jWX|AT-WVFQ(TPhFVak)0nt$aEdlOq=1~D,:\z5QlVOrZ2(H,mKg=Xr|'VlHA="r Organization: thpoon.com Mail-Copies-To: never Date: 05 Jan 2001 14:25:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20010105000038.A50543@peorth.iteration.net> Message-ID: <87ofxlls2m.fsf@tea.thpoon.com> Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Channel Islands) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Michael C . Wu" writes: > | For me, the only thing that keeps me from moving from Linux to FreeBSD > | on my desktop is cdparanoia. http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/ Can't wait > | till version IV of the library comes out (which is supposed to be more > | portable). > > ports/audio/grip, ripenc, ripit(-atapi if you have IDE) > grip works out of the box, names the songs for you. The idea is not that. The strength of cdparanoia is that it *guarantees* perfect audio extraction (or failure otherwise). Grip can be built with paranoia libraries, but only under linux, I would imagine, since the libraries are non-portable. -- Arcady Genkin Don't read everything you believe. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 11:43:45 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 11:43:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (unknown [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF4437B404 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:43:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f05JhUb56325; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:43:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200101051943.f05JhUb56325@harmony.village.org> To: Alfred Perlstein Subject: Re: Web based mp3 player? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 02 Jan 2001 01:54:26 PST." <20010102015426.F19572@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010102015426.F19572@fw.wintelcom.net> <200101020923.CAA27912@harmony.village.org> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:43:29 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20010102015426.F19572@fw.wintelcom.net> Alfred Perlstein writes: : * Warner Losh [010102 01:23] wrote: : > : > I have a large collection of MP3's sitting on a large disk. I'd love : > to be able to have them in a juke box of some sort. : : Lame question, but have you checked freshmeat for something to do : this? Err, ummm, no. You think it would help: #01: GlobeCom Jukebox #02: goMP #03: Gronk #04: juked #05: miffmixr #06: Mp3Jukebox #07: Obsequieuem #08: otto #09: RDTJ #10: Tunez #11: webplay : > P.S. Yada yada yada FreeBSD yada yada yada 4.2-stable yada yada yada : : huh? :) Just letting people know which OS I have :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 16:19:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 16:19:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3A437B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:19:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (guppy.dons.net.au [203.31.81.9]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29952; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:49:20 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010105165347.A74010@titan.klemm.gtn.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 10:49:19 +1030 (CST) Sender: darius@cain.gsoft.com.au From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Andreas Klemm Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Jan-01 Andreas Klemm wrote: > On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:57:11AM +0100, Andreas Klemm wrote: > > To followup myself, Sorens description is certainly more > complete then mine, though it comes to the same point, that > you might waste some place on the disk, if you can't deliver > a certain sustained data rate to the device ;-) Well I doubt I'll ever find out since I've never underrun a CD 8-) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 17: 3:15 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 17:03:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from midget.dons.net.au (daniel.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.137.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C6B437B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (guppy.dons.net.au [203.31.81.9]) by midget.dons.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA30174; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:31:32 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010105162852.C6404@gray.westgate.gr> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:31:31 +1030 (CST) Sender: darius@cain.gsoft.com.au From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Cc: SXren Schmidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Soren Schmidt Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 05-Jan-01 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Ahh OK, makes sense, but as you say, why didn't they do that to begin with? > > :) > Probably because they hadn't come up with the idea yet? But as Soren > explained, the time required to turn off/on the beam would create large > gaps in the cdrom and they did not use it until recently. Yes but it is interesting that turning a laser on or off takes so long, surely you would have extremely find control over the laser anyway to draw the pits accuratly. Perhaps its an advancement in positioning instead, so the drive knows exactly where it was forced to stop and is able to position the head in that place again. > Another reason I could think for not using this is that if you have an > image that barely fits an empty disk, leaving gaps might result in the > image being partially written on the resulting cdrom disk :/ Yes, but is that better or worse than losing the CD blank altogether? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 17:28:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 17:28:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E1AC37B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b108.otenet.gr [195.167.121.236]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f061SYl11631; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:28:34 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f061UFY24371; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:30:15 +0200 (EET) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:30:15 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: Soren Schmidt , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/dev/ata atapi-cd.c atapi-cd.h Message-ID: <20010106033015.A24234@hades.hell.gr> References: <20010105162852.C6404@gray.westgate.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from doconnor@gsoft.com.au on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:31:31AM +1030 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ Trimmed one of Soren's addresses from Cc-list ] On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:31:31AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 05-Jan-01 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > > Another reason I could think for not using this is that if you have an > > image that barely fits an empty disk, leaving gaps might result in the > > image being partially written on the resulting cdrom disk :/ > > Yes, but is that better or worse than losing the CD blank altogether? Well, for backup cdroms (and I usually use cdrom disks for backup reasons), I'd rather throw away a disk or two than lose some part of my backup. But all this is my humble opinion. If an option exists to enable/disable burnproof technology while running burncd, I would be more than happy. I'd be plainly thrilled to see it work :-) - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 19: 6:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 19:06:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peorth.iteration.net (peorth.iteration.net [208.190.180.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD2137B400; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:06:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by peorth.iteration.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C8DBC57505; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:07:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:07:23 -0600 From: "Michael C . Wu" To: keith@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/editors/AbiWord Makefile distinfo pkg-plist ports/editors/AbiWord/files patch-as patch-at patch-au patch-ba patch-an patch-ap patch-aa patch-ag Message-ID: <20010105210723.B51157@peorth.iteration.net> Reply-To: "Michael C . Wu" References: <200101030751.f037pIm01773@freefall.freebsd.org> <20010103023350.F65492@peorth.iteration.net> <20010105171540.A7494@freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010105171540.A7494@freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw>; from keith@freebsd.jtjang.idv.tw on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 05:15:40PM +0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 5025 F691 F943 8128 48A8 5025 77CE 29C5 8FA1 2E20 X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x8FA12E20 Sender: keichii@peorth.iteration.net Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 05:15:40PM +0800, Jing-Tang Keith Jang scribbled: | On 01/03/01, Michael C . Wu wrote: | > Woot! Does this mean we get the chinese/abiword port soon? | > I know that we have been waiting for a Chinese .doc editor. :) | > Go! Go! Go! Drive-by Commit! :P | | It seems that editors/AbiWord can't properly display Chinese due to | the Abi-iconv removal. If it can't be fixed, maybe a chinese/AbiWord | is necessary. :) And yes, my own build version can read/write both | traditional Chinese & English .doc without any problem, though I didn't | use advanced features of .doc, like macros. | -- | Keep it simple AND stupid. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Man, who needs macros in .doc ? :P I mean, seriously, all I want is to able to share my files and view Chinese M$ files. Give me macros in emacs any day! -- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ | keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | | http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | +------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 5 19:11:24 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 19:11:21 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAD437B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 19:11:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14EjlI-000Euq-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:11:20 +0000 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f063BJw79609 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:11:19 GMT (envelope-from jcm) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 03:11:19 +0000 From: j mckitrick To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: frustration with debug messages Message-ID: <20010106031118.A79573@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I am asking here because no one on questions has been able to help. I have run into a very frustrating problem. I am using standard printf statements for status info while debugging the parallel port zip driver in PS2 mode. For a reason I have yet to discover, my messages are no longer appearing consistently in my dmesg output. As I move through the debug process, I will enable and disable blocks of debug output, but when I run dmesg, what I see is not the same as what I saw while the machine was rebooting. These same messages usually end up in /var/log/messages, but I can't figure out the pattern. I saw that messages.4 was not gzipped like the others. Could i have overflowed syslogd and messed things up? I would be happy to post info besides my syslog.conf, but I didn't want to clog the list. My work has come to a standstill, since I cannot access the debug output. Please help! Hopefully it is only a small issue that I can learn from and fix promptly. jm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jonathon McKitrick -- jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # $FreeBSD: src/etc/syslog.conf,v 1.9.2.1 1999/08/29 14:19:02 peter Exp $ # # Spaces are NOT valid field separators in this file. # Consult the syslog.conf(5) manpage. #*.err;kern.debug;auth.notice;mail.crit /dev/console *.notice;kern.debug;lpr.info;mail.crit;news.err /var/log/messages #security.* /var/log/security mail.info /var/log/maillog lpr.info /var/log/lpd-errs cron.* /var/log/cron *.err root #*.notice;news.err root *.alert /var/log/messages *.emerg * # uncomment these if you're running inn # news.crit /var/log/news/news.crit # news.err /var/log/news/news.err # news.notice /var/log/news/news.notice !startslip *.* /var/log/slip.log !ppp *.* /var/log/ppp.log !ipfw *.* /var/log/ipfw.log To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 6 4:49:39 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 04:49:37 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from basil.dympna.com (adsl-64-216-18-129.dsl.snantx.swbell.net [64.216.18.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29FF137B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 04:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mini (mini.dympna.com [10.0.0.33]) by basil.dympna.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with SMTP id f06CncM85465 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:49:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from lists@dympna.com) Message-ID: <021101c077df$0e72f0c0$2100000a@dympna.com> From: "Rob Snow (Lists)" To: Subject: Hmm, dupes? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:49:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone else seeing LOTS of dupes on -questions, -chat, etc? I just re-subscribed due to some flaky DNS issues and am seeing 60% dupes on messages...I wish it were 100% or 0%, that would be much easier to solve. which lists@dympna.com shows only single entries. -Rob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 6 9:30:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:30:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5871F37B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.17.1.121] (warp-core.skynet.be [195.238.2.25]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B959FFA for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:30:50 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:05:24 +0100 To: FreeBSD Chat Mailing List From: Brad Knowles Subject: NetBSD vs. FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Folks, I've been looking a bit more closely into what it would take for me to be able to make my PCI PowerMacintosh 7200/90 usable with some *BSD variant. Theoretically, it's usable today with MkLinux, but we know that this is a dead-end project, and I'm not interested in dead-ends. I looked, and of course FreeBSD does not currently support PowerPC. This leaves NetBSD and OpenBSD. Looking into them, OpenBSD has support for the latest round of hardware (most anything after the iMac), but nothing in beige (and nothing for any of the upgrade vendors). NetBSD does support both beige and newer hardware, but not the 7200/90 (this machine doesn't have OpenBoot Firmware). I found a site that has 7200 logic board upgrades available (see ), and for about $600 (after the $200 rebate they send you when you send in your 7200 logic board), you can get a machine that should be minimally usable with NetBSD. However, looking a bit more in-depth into NetBSD (even the latest incarnation), it seems very very rough, and like much earlier versions of FreeBSD. I'd almost be tempted to say that NetBSD 1.5 is probably a lot like FreeBSD 2.2.5 -- in particular, they don't have any support for SMP (that doesn't result in the box crashing a few minutes later ;-), and what SMP work is being done is of course exclusively for x86. Is NetBSD really all this bad? Have I missed something fundamental? Is there anyone on this list that's used both recent versions of NetBSD and FreeBSD on previous generation single CPU hardware and can give me a reasonably fair comparison and contrast? My home needs are not that extraordinary, so even a single CPU PPC604 chip at 100Mhz would probably be fine (although I'd want to try to upgrade to a G3 or a G4 when I could), just for a simple machine to do firewall+squid+caching nameserver+mail downloading (behind a connect-on-demand ISDN line), and I might even be able to make it stretch to performing as an externally visible web/ftp/mail server if I were to go with a permanent ISDN line. However, I'd want to make sure that at least at the basic command-line level, and at the level of building and installing modern programs like ipfilter, squid, apache, sendmail, postfix, BIND 8 & 9, etc... that the machine would be able to build them without much trouble, as well as run them reasonably well. I guess I'm just a little disconcerted by some of the apparent rough edges, and not having much experience with NetBSD, I'd like to hear more from folks that do, especially when it comes to diverging from "./configure; make; make install". Thanks! -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 6 9:49:35 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 09:49:33 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from icicle.winternet.com (icicle.winternet.com [198.174.169.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C9D37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from tundra.winternet.com (nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11]) by icicle.winternet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3mc) with ESMTP id LAA21832; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:49:31 -0600 (CST) SMTP "HELO" (ESMTP) greeting from tundra.winternet.com But _really_ from :: nrahlstr@tundra.winternet.com [198.174.169.11] SMTP "MAIL From" = nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com (Nathan Ahlstrom) SMTP "RCPT To" = Received: (from nrahlstr@localhost) by tundra.winternet.com (8.8.7/8.8.4) id LAA15154; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:49:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 11:49:30 -0600 From: Nathan Ahlstrom To: Brad Knowles Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: NetBSD vs. FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20010106114929.B15125@winternet.com> Mail-Followup-To: Brad Knowles , chat@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from blk@skynet.be on Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:05:24PM +0100 Sender: nrahlstr@mail.winternet.com Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > probably a lot like FreeBSD 2.2.5 -- in particular, they don't have > any support for SMP (that doesn't result in the box crashing a few > minutes later ;-), and what SMP work is being done is of course > exclusively for x86. Actually I believe they are working on it for their alpha port and possibly the sparc64 port, in addition to x86. > Is NetBSD really all this bad? Have I missed something > fundamental? Is there anyone on this list that's used both recent > versions of NetBSD and FreeBSD on previous generation single CPU > hardware and can give me a reasonably fair comparison and contrast? In my experience, it is NOT that bad. In fact, I have always been quite pleased when using it. They have recently integrated their UBC work (in NetBSD-current) and have a really cool /etc/rc setup. -- Nathan Ahlstrom / nrahlstr@winternet.com / nra@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x67BC9D19 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 6 10:31:58 2001 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 10:31:56 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C01937B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:31:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.17.1.121] (warp-core.skynet.be [195.238.2.25]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCD29B54; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:31:54 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010106114929.B15125@winternet.com> References: <20010106114929.B15125@winternet.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:04:27 +0100 To: Nathan Ahlstrom