From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Apr 8 5: 4:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE06537B423 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 05:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: (qmail 107376 invoked by uid 0); 8 Apr 2001 12:04:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uwi.tt) (209.94.221.159) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with SMTP; 8 Apr 2001 12:04:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3AD053AF.4743DEC4@uwi.tt> Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 08:03:59 -0400 From: Dale Chulhan - Home Organization: COSTAATT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Follow up: More Win vs NIX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This guy seems to be really persistant and dug me into a hole here ... help ============ Dale, please check your sources before you post third party information, or at least try and do some of your own research before you cross post. 1. The following OSes are examples of Monolithic UNIX Kernels:Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris to name the most popular. Can you name any commercial/mainstream UNIX OS that comes microkernel out of the box, apart from GNU Hurd? I emphasize the point by quoting the previous author: "Unix does not use a monolithic kernel. Most Unix implementations do,....." <- does this guy know what he is really saying?? He goes further by saying: "there is no reason why it can't run on a microkernel"<- again showing that it does not. Yes, I admit that you don't have to reboot for SOME driver installations (you can compile and load drivers at runtime), but the fact remains that the fundamental problem of a bloated kernel and of having to LOAD drivers and services into ring 0 still exists. 2. SunView was available in 1985 not 1984, after Ms released Windows 1.0. Please see the comp.unix newsgroup for the latest version of the UNIX FAQ. You can use the following for references. Archive-name: unix-faq/faq/part6 Version: $Id: part6,v 2.9 1996/06/11 13:07:56 tmatimar Exp $ X was first commercially released in 1986. see the front page of the www.x.org website. 3. True, Mac OS-X uses a mach kernel, not a monolithic one. But if you want to call Max OS-X UNIX.. be my guest. 4. Yes, many RFCs were developed on the UNIX system. However Kerberos was not ported as the author says, it was written according to RFC. In fact most UNIX guys complain about Microsoft's non-standard implementation of Kerberos because they used 5 reserved bytes in the protocol.... Lest we stray from the original point, that Microsoft has been allegedly stealing from UNIX from day one. There is a reason why people write RFCs... 5. The fact that the author thinks that the Windows interface is the least user friendly just shows that he may need to find a proctologist to locate his head. 6. I stand corrected on the IP Address change. I always rebooted after I run ifconfig. I was not aware that reloading the interface after running ifconfig on Linux would avoid having to reboot. However, according to Sun Documentation: http://docs.sun.com, the reccomended procedure involves running sys-unconfig and rebooting. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message