From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 8:41:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C092637B405; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Ffjg91513; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: CVSup problems Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This morning I received a report from Jun Kuriyama of incorrect timestamps on cvsup-master. CVSup has started setting the timestamps of updated files to Jan 1 1970. I have been looking into this, and my best guess at this point that it is a bug in CVSup which was triggered by the date (in seconds past the epoch) passing 1000000000. I am working full-speed on a fix. In the meantime, I have shut down cvsupd on cvsup-master. But you already have some files with incorrect timestamps. It probably won't help to fix them manually, as I would guess that the bug will still propagate incorrect time stamps to your clients. I'll let you know when I have more info. Please don't bombard me with questions in the meantime. Not a good way to start out the day. :-( John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 10:29:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DCB37B403; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89HTZg91983; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have fixed the CVSup bug which has been causing the timestamps of some files to be updated incorrectly. The new version is available here in both source and binary form (for FreeBSD-4.x): http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ The ports and packages are not updated yet. I'll do that next. EVERY mirror site needs to install this update as soon as possible. All users will need to upgrade too *sigh*. I'll post an announcement for them as soon as I update the ports. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 12:33:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from prserv.net (out1.prserv.net [32.97.166.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD8D37B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobinho.tafkap.priv (slip-32-100-71-105.ca.us.prserv.net[32.100.71.105]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20010909193302201028ngvve>; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:33:17 +0000 Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 12:34:40 -0700 From: Joao Pedras To: John Polstra , hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <92140000.1000064080@mobinho.tafkap.priv> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.6 (FreeBSD/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks John for such a quick fix!!! ]:) --On Sunday, September 09, 2001 10:29:35 -0700 John Polstra wrote: > I have fixed the CVSup bug which has been causing the timestamps of > some files to be updated incorrectly. The new version is available > here in both source and binary form (for FreeBSD-4.x): > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ > > The ports and packages are not updated yet. I'll do that next. > > EVERY mirror site needs to install this update as soon as possible. > > All users will need to upgrade too *sigh*. I'll post an > announcement for them as soon as I update the ports. > > John > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 12:57: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6893037B409 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:290:27ff:fe98:c0b7]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B4424D25; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:57:03 +0900 (JST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E67D1401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:57:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:57:03 +0900 Message-ID: <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.6.0 (Twist And Shout) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Sun, 09 Sep 2001 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT), John Polstra wrote: > I have fixed the CVSup bug which has been causing the timestamps of > some files to be updated incorrectly. I updated to snap-16.1d but I got some files still epoch timestamp. I tried with and without -s option. CVSup client said SetAttrs for that files every time I cvsup. But timestamp of these files are still epoch. Does anyone see such a situation? -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13: 0:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED2037B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:00:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89K0ig92574; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89K0hR27792; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092000.f89K0hR27792@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> References: <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > At Sun, 09 Sep 2001 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT), > John Polstra wrote: > > I have fixed the CVSup bug which has been causing the timestamps of > > some files to be updated incorrectly. > > I updated to snap-16.1d but I got some files still epoch timestamp. Where did you update from? Maybe your upstream server had still-bad files or still had the old version of cvsupd. If you updated from cvsup-master, please tell me what time it happened, and I will check on it. Also please tell me some specific files that came out wrong. Thanks, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:15:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rubicon.soft.lv (ilg01-195-114-52-166.hi.delfi.lv [195.114.52.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DDE5737B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 82364 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2001 20:15:32 -0000 Received: from tv-1-s1.latnet.lv (HELO blacksun) (192.168.1.2) by ilg01-195-114-52-166.hi.delfi.lv with SMTP; 9 Sep 2001 20:15:32 -0000 Message-ID: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> From: "Valentin Yeliseev" To: Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:15:28 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I updated cvsup to snap-16.1d and got core dump :( FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE ./cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile-www Illegal instruction (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:18:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4F237B407 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f89KIT618038; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:18:30 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: "Valentin Yeliseev" Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:18:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3B9B9651.19521.5FC4A2B0@localhost> In-reply-to: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 Sep 2001 at 23:15, Valentin Yeliseev wrote: > I updated cvsup to snap-16.1d and got core dump :( > > FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE > ./cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile-www > Illegal instruction (core dumped) I had some boxes that worked. Some didn't. They cored. If they cored, I installed from sources.... well, that's still compiling.... -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:29:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 145E837B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89KT3W94657; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:29:04 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:29:03 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Dan Langille Cc: Valentin Yeliseev , Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <3B9B9651.19521.5FC4A2B0@localhost> Message-ID: <20010909102547.Y45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > On 9 Sep 2001 at 23:15, Valentin Yeliseev wrote: > > > I updated cvsup to snap-16.1d and got core dump :( > > > > FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE > > ./cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile-www > > Illegal instruction (core dumped) > > I had some boxes that worked. Some didn't. They cored. If they cored, I installed from > sources.... well, that's still compiling.... Samething here... only the -CURRENT and one 4.3-RELEASE box worked... All other 4.3-RELEASE boxes core dumped. Maybe someone can build a package under 4.3-RELEASE or something. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:37:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4104137B407 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Kbig92720; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89Kbie27886; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092037.f89Kbie27886@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: syst3m@navigators.lv Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> References: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv>, Valentin Yeliseev wrote: > I updated cvsup to snap-16.1d and got core dump :( > > FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE > ./cvsup -g -L 2 /etc/cvsupfile-www > Illegal instruction (core dumped) The binaries were built under 4.4-RC and may not work on older systems. Also, it is possible that they were built with i686-specific compiler options due to my make.conf settings. I will check that and will update the packages if necessary. The most reliable way to upgrade any system is as follows: - Install the lang/pm3-base and lang/pm3-net packages. - If you want to use the GUI, also install the lang/pm3-gui and lang/pm3-forms packages. - Build snap-16.1d from source. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:41:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.254.60.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925E237B406 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from math.missouri.edu ([24.12.197.197]) by femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010909204135.SQNU559.femail29.sdc1.sfba.home.com@math.missouri.edu> for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 15:41:34 -0500 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug References: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> <200109092037.f89Kbie27886@vashon.polstra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org John Polstra wrote: > > The binaries were built under 4.4-RC and may not work on older > systems. Also, it is possible that they were built with > i686-specific compiler options due to my make.conf settings. I will > check that and will update the packages if necessary. > Yes, that must be it - it runs fine on my pentiumpro machines, but cores on my pentium machine. -- Stephen Montgomery-Smith stephen@math.missouri.edu http://www.math.missouri.edu/~stephen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:45:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DAE37B408 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f89KjU618326; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:45:31 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:45:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3B9B9CA1.11402.5FDD4A1B@localhost> In-reply-to: <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 Sep 2001 at 15:41, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > John Polstra wrote: > > > > The binaries were built under 4.4-RC and may not work on older > > systems. Also, it is possible that they were built with > > i686-specific compiler options due to my make.conf settings. I will > > check that and will update the packages if necessary. > > > > Yes, that must be it - it runs fine on my pentiumpro machines, but > cores on my pentium machine. That would fit my situation as well. Runs on the Xeon, not on the 486. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:45:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D904D37B409 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89KjaB94916; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:45:36 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:45:35 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Cc: Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> Message-ID: <20010909104407.M45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > John Polstra wrote: > > > > The binaries were built under 4.4-RC and may not work on older > > systems. Also, it is possible that they were built with > > i686-specific compiler options due to my make.conf settings. I will > > check that and will update the packages if necessary. > > > > Yes, that must be it - it runs fine on my pentiumpro machines, but cores > on my pentium machine. Same here, it seems like any PII/PIII machines with 4.3-RELEASE and -CURRENT works fine. It cores on AMD K6, P5's and Cyrix 6x86 machines. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:54: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356AB37B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:54:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Ks4g92835; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89Ks4130566; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092054.f89Ks4130566@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: stephen@math.missouri.edu Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> References: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> <200109092037.f89Kbie27886@vashon.polstra.com> <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu>, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > Yes, that must be it - it runs fine on my pentiumpro machines, but cores > on my pentium machine. Thanks for the confirmation. I'm building a new package now. Man, this is not exactly turning out to be a real good day. :-( John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 13:56:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D692E37B409 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f89KuH618515; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:56:18 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: John Polstra Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:56:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3B9B9F29.17827.5FE72DC1@localhost> In-reply-to: <200109092054.f89Ks4130566@vashon.polstra.com> References: <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 Sep 2001 at 13:54, John Polstra wrote: > Man, this is not exactly turning out to be a real good day. :-( We know you're under pressure. You're doing great. Thanks. -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 14: 0:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66F737B408 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:00:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89L08C95109; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:00:08 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:00:08 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Dan Langille Cc: John Polstra , Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <3B9B9F29.17827.5FE72DC1@localhost> Message-ID: <20010909105946.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, Dan Langille wrote: > On 9 Sep 2001 at 13:54, John Polstra wrote: > > > Man, this is not exactly turning out to be a real good day. :-( > > We know you're under pressure. You're doing great. Thanks. Yeah John, thanks for the effort. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 14: 4:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from franklin.physics.purdue.edu (franklin.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B17837B401 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from physics.purdue.edu (curie.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.68.223]) by franklin.physics.purdue.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59AB20F10; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by physics.purdue.edu (Postfix, from userid 12409) id 70C8379; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:03:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:03:45 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, stephen@math.missouri.edu Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010909160345.L30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> <200109092037.f89Kbie27886@vashon.polstra.com> <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> <200109092054.f89Ks4130566@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <200109092054.f89Ks4130566@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 01:54:04PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 01:54:04PM -0700, John Polstra (jdp@polstra.com) wrote: > Thanks for the confirmation. I'm building a new package now. > > Man, this is not exactly turning out to be a real good day. :-( Have faith in yourself. I still think you kick ass. :) Here's a good quote (in your .sig, no less): > "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 14:49:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4264837B407 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Lnqg93079; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:49:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89LnpQ45073; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:49:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092149.f89LnpQ45073@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: stephen@math.missouri.edu Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> References: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> <200109092037.f89Kbie27886@vashon.polstra.com> <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I made new packages which I _think_ are clean for all x86 CPUs. I haven't updated the links on the web site yet. Could somebody please try these new packages on a Pentium-plain and see if they work OK? They are in the following locations: GUI version: http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/i386-gui/cvsup-16.1d.tgz non-GUI version: http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/i386-nogui/cvsup-16.1d.tgz If you don't have X11 installed, you must use the non-GUI version. These packages are "almost static". I couldn't build them fully static because all of my system libs were built with an elevated CPUTYPE value. So I made these packages statically linked against the M3 libraries, but dynamically linked against the system libraries. I _think_ this kept them clean for all CPU variants. As soon as I get confirmation that these seem OK, I'll make them public on the web site. Thanks, John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 14:51:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B2BA37B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89LpIg93096; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89LpIH45105; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092151.f89LpIH45105@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jdp@wall.polstra.com Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092149.f89LnpQ45073@vashon.polstra.com> References: <010401c1396c$2b3688d0$0201a8c0@soft.lv> <200109092037.f89Kbie27886@vashon.polstra.com> <3B9BD3FE.EB21058@math.missouri.edu> <200109092149.f89LnpQ45073@vashon.polstra.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I forgot to mention, these are standard packages that you can install with "pkg_add". In article <200109092149.f89LnpQ45073@vashon.polstra.com>, John Polstra wrote: > I made new packages which I _think_ are clean for all x86 CPUs. I > haven't updated the links on the web site yet. Could somebody > please try these new packages on a Pentium-plain and see if they > work OK? They are in the following locations: > > GUI version: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/i386-gui/cvsup-16.1d.tgz > > non-GUI version: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/i386-nogui/cvsup-16.1d.tgz > > If you don't have X11 installed, you must use the non-GUI version. > > These packages are "almost static". I couldn't build them fully > static because all of my system libs were built with an elevated > CPUTYPE value. So I made these packages statically linked against the > M3 libraries, but dynamically linked against the system libraries. I > _think_ this kept them clean for all CPU variants. > > As soon as I get confirmation that these seem OK, I'll make them > public on the web site. > > Thanks, > John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 14:59: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D08C837B408 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:59:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Lwu095914; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:58:56 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 11:58:56 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: John Polstra Cc: , Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092149.f89LnpQ45073@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: <20010909115816.Y45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org These seem to require a bunch of packages to be installed... pkg_add cvsup-16.1d.tgz pkg_add: could not find package pm3-base-1.1.15 ! pkg_add: could not find package pm3-net-1.1.15 ! pkg_add: could not find package pm3-gui-1.1.15 ! pkg_add: could not find package pm3-forms-1.1.15 ! pkg_add: could not find package XFree86-3.3.6_9 ! Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > I made new packages which I _think_ are clean for all x86 CPUs. I > haven't updated the links on the web site yet. Could somebody > please try these new packages on a Pentium-plain and see if they > work OK? They are in the following locations: > > GUI version: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/i386-gui/cvsup-16.1d.tgz > > non-GUI version: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/i386-nogui/cvsup-16.1d.tgz > > If you don't have X11 installed, you must use the non-GUI version. > > These packages are "almost static". I couldn't build them fully > static because all of my system libs were built with an elevated > CPUTYPE value. So I made these packages statically linked against the > M3 libraries, but dynamically linked against the system libraries. I > _think_ this kept them clean for all CPU variants. > > As soon as I get confirmation that these seem OK, I'll make them > public on the web site. > > Thanks, > John > -- > John Polstra jdp@polstra.com > John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA > "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15: 0:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDB937B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:00:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89M0rg93153; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:00:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89M0q445147; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:00:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:00:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092200.f89M0q445147@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010909115816.Y45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> References: <20010909115816.Y45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010909115816.Y45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, Vincent Poy wrote: > These seem to require a bunch of packages to be installed... > > pkg_add cvsup-16.1d.tgz > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-base-1.1.15 ! > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-net-1.1.15 ! > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-gui-1.1.15 ! > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-forms-1.1.15 ! > pkg_add: could not find package XFree86-3.3.6_9 ! Ugh -- right. :-( Hang on, I'll fix that. Meanwhile, could you please try forcing installation with "pkg_add -f" and see if you can test it that way? John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15: 6:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0ABB37B407 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89M6BI96156; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:06:11 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:06:10 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: John Polstra Cc: Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092200.f89M0q445147@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20010909115816.Y45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, > Vincent Poy wrote: > > These seem to require a bunch of packages to be installed... > > > > pkg_add cvsup-16.1d.tgz > > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-base-1.1.15 ! > > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-net-1.1.15 ! > > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-gui-1.1.15 ! > > pkg_add: could not find package pm3-forms-1.1.15 ! > > pkg_add: could not find package XFree86-3.3.6_9 ! > > Ugh -- right. :-( Hang on, I'll fix that. > > Meanwhile, could you please try forcing installation with "pkg_add > -f" and see if you can test it that way? This one works fine with the -f. The only thing are the error messages with pkg_add but other than that, it's okay... root@oahu [12:03pm][/usr/temp] >> pkg_add -f cvsup-16.1d.tgz pkg_add: could not find package pm3-base-1.1.15 (proceeding anyway) pkg_add: could not find package pm3-net-1.1.15 (proceeding anyway) pkg_add: could not find package pm3-gui-1.1.15 (proceeding anyway) pkg_add: could not find package pm3-forms-1.1.15 (proceeding anyway) pkg_add: could not find package XFree86-3.3.6_9 (proceeding anyway) pkg_add: can't open dependency file '/var/db/pkg/pm3-base-1.1.15/+REQUIRED_BY'! dependency registration is incomplete pkg_add: can't open dependency file '/var/db/pkg/pm3-net-1.1.15/+REQUIRED_BY'! dependency registration is incomplete pkg_add: can't open dependency file '/var/db/pkg/pm3-gui-1.1.15/+REQUIRED_BY'! dependency registration is incomplete pkg_add: can't open dependency file '/var/db/pkg/pm3-forms-1.1.15/+REQUIRED_BY'! dependency registration is incomplete pkg_add: can't open dependency file '/var/db/pkg/XFree86-3.3.6_9/+REQUIRED_BY'! dependency registration is incomplete root@oahu [12:04pm][/usr/temp] >> cvsup -L 2 ~vince/supfile.cvsup Parsing supfile "/home/vince/supfile.cvsup" Connecting to cvsup10.FreeBSD.org Connected to cvsup10.FreeBSD.org Server software version: SNAP_16_1d Negotiating file attribute support Exchanging collection information Establishing multiplexed-mode data connection Running ^CCleaning up ... Interrupted Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:10:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9802537B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89M9kg93218; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89M9kV47335; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092209.f89M9kV47335@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> References: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, Vincent Poy wrote: > On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > > > Meanwhile, could you please try forcing installation with "pkg_add > > -f" and see if you can test it that way? > > This one works fine with the -f. The only thing are the error > messages with pkg_add but other than that, it's okay... Great. Thanks for trying it. I'm updating the packages to get rid of the prerequisites now. I'll let you all know when the web site is updated. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:17:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C234337B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:17:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89MHAU96307; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:17:10 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:17:10 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: John Polstra Cc: Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092209.f89M9kV47335@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: <20010909121645.B45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, > Vincent Poy wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > > > > > Meanwhile, could you please try forcing installation with "pkg_add > > > -f" and see if you can test it that way? > > > > This one works fine with the -f. The only thing are the error > > messages with pkg_add but other than that, it's okay... > > Great. Thanks for trying it. I'm updating the packages to get rid > of the prerequisites now. I'll let you all know when the web site > is updated. Thanks for the efforts though which I and I'm sure others greatly appreciate alot. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:19:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE1C37B408 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:290:27ff:fe98:c0b7]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A9924D2C; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:19:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A86DD1405; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:19:32 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:19:31 +0900 Message-ID: <7mwv38vwgc.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092000.f89K0hR27792@vashon.polstra.com> References: <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <200109092000.f89K0hR27792@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.6.0 (Twist And Shout) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:00:43 -0700 (PDT), John Polstra wrote: > If you updated from cvsup-master, please tell me what time it > happened, and I will check on it. > > Also please tell me some specific files that came out wrong. I updated from cvsup-master at Sun Sep 9 22:15:00 GMT 2001 and at least CVSROOT/commitlogs/doc has epoch timestamp. CVSup log shows every time like this: ... SetAttrs CVSROOT/commitlogs/doc ... -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:28:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91E637B401 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:290:27ff:fe98:c0b7]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1559C24D2E; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:28:25 +0900 (JST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFCDD1406; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:28:24 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:28:23 +0900 Message-ID: <7mvgisvw1k.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <7mwv38vwgc.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> References: <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <200109092000.f89K0hR27792@vashon.polstra.com> <7mwv38vwgc.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.6.0 (Twist And Shout) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I updated from cvsup-master at Sun Sep 9 22:15:00 GMT 2001 and at > least CVSROOT/commitlogs/doc has epoch timestamp. Ouch, please wait. I checked my installed binary (which is compiled from source) but it shows its version 16.1c. I'll recompile it and try again. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:29:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9FE37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:29:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89MTQg93522; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89MTQQ48502; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092229.f89MTQQ48502@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010909121645.B45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> References: <20010909121645.B45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010909121645.B45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, Vincent Poy wrote: > > Thanks for the efforts though which I and I'm sure others greatly > appreciate alot. Well, you are all being very kind considering the hassle this is causing. I have updated the web page, and the packages there should be good now. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:37: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5764137B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:290:27ff:fe98:c0b7]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9185F24D25; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:37:04 +0900 (JST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16B0D1401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:37:03 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:37:03 +0900 Message-ID: <7mu1ycvvn4.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <7mvgisvw1k.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> References: <7mzo84w31s.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <200109092000.f89K0hR27792@vashon.polstra.com> <7mwv38vwgc.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <7mvgisvw1k.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.6.0 (Twist And Shout) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ouch, please wait. I checked my installed binary (which is compiled > from source) but it shows its version 16.1c. I'll recompile it and > try again. I updated my cvsup and cvsupd and it seems working fine. Thanks! -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:38:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75F1437B406 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89McWg93613; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89McWt48540; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092238.f89McWt48540@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <7mu1ycvvn4.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> References: <7mwv38vwgc.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <7mvgisvw1k.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <7mu1ycvvn4.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <7mu1ycvvn4.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > I updated my cvsup and cvsupd and it seems working fine. Thanks! Whew! You had me worried for a minute there. :-O John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:41:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C27237B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Mf1h96681; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:41:01 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:41:00 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: John Polstra Cc: Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092229.f89MTQQ48502@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20010909121645.B45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > > Thanks for the efforts though which I and I'm sure others greatly > > appreciate alot. > > Well, you are all being very kind considering the hassle this is > causing. > > I have updated the web page, and the packages there should be good > now. Yep, the packages are as good as they can get... It installed on all 20 machines flawlessly... Atleast you only lost 1/2 of Sunday, not the other 1/2 after reading Jun's original post. Thanks again John! Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:56: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D6637B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Mtwg93691; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89Mtws48647; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:55:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> References: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, Vincent Poy wrote: > Yep, the packages are as good as they can get... It installed > on all 20 machines flawlessly... Great news! > Atleast you only lost 1/2 of Sunday, Heh, I think I'll be busy for a while longer. :-) The public announcement just hit freebsd-announce, and there are a lot of questions coming in as a result of that. A few early birds got ahold of the bad packages before I got them updated on the web site. Then there there are the major users outside of FreeBSD to notify, like Lycos and IMDB and XFree86 and others ... And lots more binaries to make ... Nope, I don't think I'm done yet. This makes the jakarta-tomcat debacle look like a picnic. On the positive side, I may have the distinction of creating the world's only S1G bug. :-) > not the other 1/2 after reading Jun's original post. BTW, we have Jun to thank for noticing the problem almost instantly and reporting it to me. > Thanks again John! You're welcome. It is not good, but the only thing to do is grind through it and try to minimize the damage. Once again, thanks to all of you for getting your mirrors updated quickly and for helping me test the binaries. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 15:58:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from franklin.physics.purdue.edu (franklin.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.146.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4920237B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from physics.purdue.edu (curie.physics.purdue.edu [128.210.68.223]) by franklin.physics.purdue.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A1F20F09; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: by physics.purdue.edu (Postfix, from userid 12409) id 31C5F79; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:58:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 17:58:36 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> Reply-To: Will Andrews References: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 03:55:58PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 03:55:58PM -0700, John Polstra (jdp@polstra.com) wrote: > On the positive side, I may have the distinction of creating the > world's only S1G bug. :-) Nope. KDE's KMail 1.x (obsolete now, as people use KDE 2.x) also has a S1G bug. ;) -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 16: 1: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AFC37B406 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89N10g93731; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89N10T48686; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092301.f89N10T48686@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: will@physics.purdue.edu Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> References: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu>, Will Andrews wrote: > On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 03:55:58PM -0700, John Polstra (jdp@polstra.com) wrote: > > On the positive side, I may have the distinction of creating the > > world's only S1G bug. :-) > > Nope. KDE's KMail 1.x (obsolete now, as people use KDE 2.x) also > has a S1G bug. ;) Dang, I can't even feel special for this? :-) John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 16:45: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A8337B409 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f89Nir620550; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:44:54 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: John Polstra Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:44:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost> In-reply-to: <200109092209.f89M9kV47335@vashon.polstra.com> References: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 9 Sep 2001 at 15:09, John Polstra wrote: > Great. Thanks for trying it. I'm updating the packages to get rid of > the prerequisites now. I'll let you all know when the web site is > updated. I found a problem but I don't know if it's my version or the package: [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ pkg_info | grep cvsup cvsup-16.1d A general network file distribution system optimized for CV cvsup-bin-16.1 A general network file distribution system optimized for CV [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ sudo cvsup -v /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ uname -a FreeBSD [suppressed] 4.3-BETA FreeBSD 4.3-BETA #0: Mon Mar 12 08:58:20 CST 2001 root@[suppresed]:/usr/src/sys/compile/PENOLA i386 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 16:51: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2883E37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f89Np2g94023; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f89Np2W48822; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:51:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:51:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109092351.f89Np2W48822@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: dan@langille.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost> References: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost>, Dan Langille wrote: > On 9 Sep 2001 at 15:09, John Polstra wrote: > > > Great. Thanks for trying it. I'm updating the packages to get rid of > > the prerequisites now. I'll let you all know when the web site is > > updated. > > I found a problem but I don't know if it's my version or the package: > > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ pkg_info | grep cvsup > cvsup-16.1d A general network file distribution system optimized for CV > cvsup-bin-16.1 A general network file distribution system optimized for CV > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ > > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ sudo cvsup -v > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found It looks like you installed the GUI package on a machine that doesn't have X11. There's a non-GUI package on the web site. Use that one instead. You should probably "pkg_delete -f cvsup-16.1d cvsup-bin-16.1" first. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 16:53:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8700B37B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f89NrkP44415; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:53:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f89Ns9c02938; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:54:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:54:08 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Dan Langille Cc: John Polstra , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910015408.A2891@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092209.f89M9kV47335@vashon.polstra.com> <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost>; from dan@langille.org on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:44:51PM -0400 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:44:51PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > On 9 Sep 2001 at 15:09, John Polstra wrote: > > > Great. Thanks for trying it. I'm updating the packages to get rid of > > the prerequisites now. I'll let you all know when the web site is > > updated. > > I found a problem but I don't know if it's my version or the package: > > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ pkg_info | grep cvsup > cvsup-16.1d A general network file distribution system optimized for CV > cvsup-bin-16.1 A general network file distribution system optimized for CV > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ > > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ sudo cvsup -v > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found Don't use the gui version if you don't have X installed. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 16:57: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4847237B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (lxpx180.lx.ehu.es [158.227.26.80]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f89Nuw914046; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:56:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f89Nuua01208; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:56:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:56:56 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: Dan Langille Cc: John Polstra , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910015656.B424@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <20010909120503.N45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092209.f89M9kV47335@vashon.polstra.com> <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B9BC6B3.20659.608179A3@localhost>; from dan@langille.org on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:44:51PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 07:44:51PM -0400, Dan Langille wrote: > > [dan@main2:/usr/home/dan] $ sudo cvsup -v > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found > Same here. As a workaround, I installed the "non-GUI" version. JMA -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 18:14: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CAB637B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A1Dpb08958; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:13:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:13:54 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug (linux binaries) In-Reply-To: <200109092351.f89Np2W48822@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: Hi John, Just trying to be helpful (i'd asked about linux binaries earlier). I've managed to get PM3 installed on my RedHat 7.0 server and used that to compile up some linux binaries in case people out there are having trouble upgrading (it takes a while to build stuff..) They have been built using PM3-1.1.15 + RH7.1 patches and used to build cvsup-snap-16.1d. These are totally unofficial and i expect you will provide your own binaries when you have time, but if anyone needs them or you want to point people at them temporarily, they are at: http://planetmirror.com/pub/cvsup-linux/ ftp://planetmirror.com/pub/cvsup-linux/ They are in simple tar.gz format (.tgz) rather than rpm, since i didn't have the time to package them. Totally untested (i've decided i will get this working today :-) of course. There are two versions, both compiled with -DSTATIC, one with GUI support and the other without. Binaries *are* stripped to save on download time - if there are known problems, i can recompile and make unstripped versions available for download/debugging. cheers, -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 18:29: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613EC37B409 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A1Stb10615; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:28:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:28:58 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug (linux binaries) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, jason andrade wrote: > Totally untested (i've decided i will get this working today :-) of course. just a minor update - i have now tested the 16.1d nogui client on linux and it appears to talk to the master (16.1d) server ok.. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 18:30:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B3C37B403 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 18:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from black.imgsrc.co.jp (black.imgsrc.co.jp [2001:218:422:2:290:27ff:fe98:c0b7]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FDB24D32 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:30:16 +0900 (JST) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by black.imgsrc.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A845D1405 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:30:15 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:30:14 +0900 Message-ID: <7mr8tfx26x.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug (linux binaries) In-Reply-To: References: <200109092351.f89Np2W48822@vashon.polstra.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.6.0 (Twist And Shout) SEMI/1.14.3 (Ushinoya) FLIM/1.14.3 (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Unebigory=F2mae?=) APEL/10.3 MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.3 - "Ushinoya") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just FYI. I put cvsup-16.1d binary for FreeBSD 3.x (WITHOUT_X11=YES and STATIC=YES) on: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~kuriyama/cvsup-16.1d.tgz I reported John's binary package cannot run on FreeBSD 3.x (Bad system call or so). -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 19:47:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.datafast.net.au (mailhub.datafast.net.au [203.123.67.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F96637B405 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 66456 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2001 02:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO corey.datafast.net.au) (203.123.67.125) by mailhub.datafast.net.au with SMTP; 10 Sep 2001 02:47:37 -0000 Received: from corey by corey.datafast.net.au with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 15gH6m-0006Z6-00 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:47:36 +1000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:47:36 +1000 From: Corey Ralph To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Mirroring Message-ID: <20010910124736.A25087@corey.datafast.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am considering setting up a freebsd ftp mirror site. We are in Geelong, VIC, Australia. How do I do it? How large is the archive? Cheers -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Corey Ralph corey.ralph@datafast.net.au System Administrator +61 3 5278 3955 Datafast Telecommunications ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 20:10:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from lists.unixathome.org (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69BD537B408 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wocker (lists.unixathome.org [210.48.103.158]) by lists.unixathome.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8A3A5623970; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:10:05 +1200 (NZST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) From: "Dan Langille" Organization: novice in training To: Corey Ralph Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:10:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Mirroring Reply-To: dan@langille.org Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3B9BF6CB.24518.613D4771@localhost> In-reply-to: <20010910124736.A25087@corey.datafast.net.au> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v4.0, beta 40) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10 Sep 2001 at 12:47, Corey Ralph wrote: > I am considering setting up a freebsd ftp mirror site. We are in > Geelong, VIC, Australia. > > How do I do it? > How large is the archive? Both of these are FAQ. I suggest you search the archives for this mailing list at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://freebsddiary.org/ - practical examples To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Sun Sep 9 23:30:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAC637B403; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 23:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A6Tqb09867; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:29:52 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:29:55 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Will Andrews wrote: > I think so too. It would allow us to give mirrors priority when we've > got releases coming, and there's a release that's supposed to be on > ftp.freebsd.org *TOMORROW*. HELLO LIGHTNING, JKH, ET AL, WE HAVE A > RELEASE AND ITS COMING OUT TOMORROW!!! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR > INFRASTRUCTURE?!?! d:) in a bid to be proactive and hopefully not have things like the above again, can we start timetabling how mirrors will do releases of 4.4? does the freebsd development group have a timetable on when 4.4 RC releases will start shipping and then a fuzzyish date on 4.4 itself as well as a methodology for giving tier-1 mirrors access worldwide so that all mirrors don't swamp ftp-master as well as lots of users swamping ftp.freebsd.org as the "only" site which has this content. useful things to know: o is any *one* person going to co-ordinate this between mirror sites and the developer group - lack of any person taking ownership of this makes it difficult (peter wemm ? too busy?) o dates for releases o disk space needed to be allocated for - source tree (branches? cvsup? CTM?) - releases binaries for i386, alpha, PPC? - package application trees - ISO images o mirror methodology for distribution (e.g conditions, pre-release, tiering system) o list of sites who will have a complete 4.4 distribution for inclusion when press releases are made and for inclusion on any web pages and pointers. o liasing with slashdot/bsdtoday/bsdcentral/whoever in the press to ensure there is no leakage before a release date and to ensure they are aware of mirrors. regards, -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 1:24:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (sentinel.office1.bg [217.75.135.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95DBD37B403 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3197 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Sep 2001 08:24:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:24:17 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Will Andrews Cc: John Polstra , hubs@freebsd.org, vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910112417.C2053@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Will Andrews , John Polstra , hubs@freebsd.org, vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET References: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu>; from will@physics.purdue.edu on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 05:58:36PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 05:58:36PM -0500, Will Andrews wrote: > On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 03:55:58PM -0700, John Polstra (jdp@polstra.com) wrote: > > On the positive side, I may have the distinction of creating the > > world's only S1G bug. :-) > > Nope. KDE's KMail 1.x (obsolete now, as people use KDE 2.x) also > has a S1G bug. ;) Well, there was a Bugtraq post today about a S1G bug in MySQL (and quite possibly other SQL servers as well) and keeping Unix timestamps in (var)?char fields :) (not that I really understand why anyone would want to keep a Unix timestamp in a character field..) G'luck, Peter -- The rest of this sentence is written in Thailand, on To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 1:52:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B10A37B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cicely.de (cicely20 [10.1.1.22]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8A8qSP48126; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by mail.cicely.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f8A8qt604959; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:54 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Peter Pentchev Cc: Will Andrews , John Polstra , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910105254.A4893@cicely20.cicely.de> References: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> <20010910112417.C2053@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010910112417.C2053@ringworld.oblivion.bg>; from roam@ringlet.net on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:24:17AM +0300 X-Operating-System: NetBSD cicely20.cicely.de 1.5 sparc Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:24:17AM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > Well, there was a Bugtraq post today about a S1G bug in MySQL (and quite > possibly other SQL servers as well) and keeping Unix timestamps in > (var)?char fields :) (not that I really understand why anyone would want > to keep a Unix timestamp in a character field..) Character fields are independent from the machine byte order. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 1:56:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (oahu.WURLDLINK.NET [216.235.52.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C1D37B401 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by oahu.WURLDLINK.NET (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8A8uRY27365; Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:56:27 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 22:56:27 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: John Polstra Cc: Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: <20010909225235.K45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>, Vincent > Poy wrote: > > > Yep, the packages are as good as they can get... It installed > > on all 20 machines flawlessly... > > Great news! Yep, still working like a charm! :-) > > Atleast you only lost 1/2 of Sunday, > > Heh, I think I'll be busy for a while longer. :-) The public > announcement just hit freebsd-announce, and there are a lot of > questions coming in as a result of that. A few early birds got ahold > of the bad packages before I got them updated on the web site. Heh, I was surprised to see the announcement on freebsd-announce since for some reason, I'm on the list but I haven't seen anything from that alias for a few years while every other mailing list alias there works. Hopefully the questions volume has gone down by now. > Then there there are the major users outside of FreeBSD to notify, > like Lycos and IMDB and XFree86 and others ... And lots more binaries > to make ... Nope, I don't think I'm done yet. This makes the > jakarta-tomcat debacle look like a picnic. Heh, I remember that one. > On the positive side, I may have the distinction of creating the > world's only S1G bug. :-) Heh, atleast you'll be famous for being the one and only :-) > > not the other 1/2 after reading Jun's original post. > > BTW, we have Jun to thank for noticing the problem almost instantly > and reporting it to me. Yeah, thanks Jun. It was just the last mails Jun sent that almost created another panic for you. > > Thanks again John! > > You're welcome. It is not good, but the only thing to do is grind > through it and try to minimize the damage. > > Once again, thanks to all of you for getting your mirrors updated > quickly and for helping me test the binaries. No problem at all. Glad to help! Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 3:49:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailout2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF1937B405 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 03:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by mailout2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 670028157; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:07 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.24.91]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA67210AC1; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id B7E4313688; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:06 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910124906.E46870@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jdp@polstra.com on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0700 X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear John, first thanks for your prompt reaction and the quick fix! John Polstra wrote on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0700: [..] > The ports and packages are not updated yet. I'll do that next. I've seen a change in two patch-files for the cvsup port. Does this mean, cvsup may now again be built from the ports ? Since this is no snap, but a p2 release, would you rather recommend the port-release or the snap from the sources, you made public on the S1G page ? I guess it probably doesn't matter much. Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - "Do you love yourself ?" - "Yes!" (Isar 12) - *Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 25735 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 4:15:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D7C37B40C; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:15:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8ABFM916110; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:15:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8ABBhY01339; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:11:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:11:43 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jdp@polstra.com on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 10:29:35AM -0700, John Polstra wrote: > I have fixed the CVSup bug which has been causing the timestamps of > some files to be updated incorrectly. The new version is available > here in both source and binary form (for FreeBSD-4.x): > > http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ > > The ports and packages are not updated yet. I'll do that next. > > EVERY mirror site needs to install this update as soon as possible. > > All users will need to upgrade too *sigh*. I'll post an > announcement for them as soon as I update the ports. > Now that the cvsup ports have been updated, is there any chance to get the updated packages included in 4.4-RELEASE? JMA -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 4:39:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6629F37B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8ABdcb01534; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:39:41 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > Now that the cvsup ports have been updated, is there any chance to get > the updated packages included in 4.4-RELEASE? sigh.. didn't even realise the 4.4RCs had been appearing.. let alone that 4.4 was release and had packages already. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 5:17:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (sentinel.office1.bg [217.75.135.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E96B37B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 66977 invoked by uid 1000); 10 Sep 2001 11:48:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:48:58 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: Satoshi Asami Cc: jason andrade , "Jose M. Alcaide" , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug Message-ID: <20010910144858.A50798@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Satoshi Asami , jason andrade , "Jose M. Alcaide" , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jason@dstc.edu.au on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:39:41PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:39:41PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > > > Now that the cvsup ports have been updated, is there any chance to get > > the updated packages included in 4.4-RELEASE? > > sigh.. didn't even realise the 4.4RCs had been appearing.. let alone > that 4.4 was release and had packages already. 4.4 itself is not released yet; however, the ports tree freeze did pass, and the INDEX and the packages are already built. Satoshi (CC'd), what are the chances of rolling in a new package build, or *at least* a rebuild of the INDEX and the cvsup{,-devel} packages? It would be.. interesting.. if we released 4.4 with a CVSup with a S1G bug :) G'luck, Peter -- If I had finished this sentence, To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 9:35: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4DB37B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AGXvT51458; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:33:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: jason@dstc.edu.au Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: References: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:33:57 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 76 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I must have missed the attached rant from Will, but let me first just say this: Forget about Lightning Internet - they're chapter 11 and out of the picture. ftp.freesoftware.com, RIP. All the release engineering team is concerned with at this point is ftp-master.freebsd.org. We'll put the bits up on there, wait some 12-24 hours before making the public announcement (to allow some amount of mirror propagation to take place) and then send out the announcement. After that, it's up to the individual mirror maintainers to ensure that they're either talking to the master site or to their primary mirror given whichever tier they happen to be in. There won't be any one person taking charge of all the mirrors, the mirrors will have to rely on their individual admins to keep things straight. As to release dates, I'm still waiting for the security team to green light the release. They haven't come back with fixes for all the issues they highlighted over the weekend. - Jordan From: jason andrade Subject: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:29:55 +1000 (EST) > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Will Andrews wrote: > > > I think so too. It would allow us to give mirrors priority when we've > > got releases coming, and there's a release that's supposed to be on > > ftp.freebsd.org *TOMORROW*. HELLO LIGHTNING, JKH, ET AL, WE HAVE A > > RELEASE AND ITS COMING OUT TOMORROW!!! WHERE THE HELL IS OUR > > INFRASTRUCTURE?!?! d:) > > in a bid to be proactive and hopefully not have things like the above > again, can we start timetabling how mirrors will do releases of 4.4? > > does the freebsd development group have a timetable on when 4.4 RC > releases will start shipping and then a fuzzyish date on 4.4 itself > as well as a methodology for giving tier-1 mirrors access worldwide > so that all mirrors don't swamp ftp-master as well as lots of users > swamping ftp.freebsd.org as the "only" site which has this content. > > > useful things to know: > > o is any *one* person going to co-ordinate this between mirror sites > and the developer group - lack of any person taking ownership of > this makes it difficult (peter wemm ? too busy?) > > o dates for releases > > o disk space needed to be allocated for > - source tree (branches? cvsup? CTM?) > - releases binaries for i386, alpha, PPC? > - package application trees > - ISO images > > o mirror methodology for distribution (e.g conditions, pre-release, > tiering system) > > o list of sites who will have a complete 4.4 distribution for inclusion > when press releases are made and for inclusion on any web pages and > pointers. > > o liasing with slashdot/bsdtoday/bsdcentral/whoever in the > press to ensure there is no leakage before a release date > and to ensure they are aware of mirrors. > > > regards, > > -jason > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 10:22:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9809537B406; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8AH3qa96875; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:03:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:03:52 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Xm/fll+QQv+hsKip" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org>; from jkh@freebsd.org on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:33:57AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Xm/fll+QQv+hsKip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:33:57AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > As to release dates, I'm still waiting for the security team to green > light the release. They haven't come back with fixes for all the > issues they highlighted over the weekend. In the last thread about this, you concluded with: > Well, there does appear to be a lot of general feeling that we should > wait, so how would people feel about a push-back to the 14th? That > would put it out next Friday. There was strong approval for this. In particular, the point that was argued was that the previous date, the 8th, didn't allow enough time for people to test during this week (weekends, people have lives, other things to do, and so forth). That being the case, why are you now pulling the release date *forward*? A further push-back I could understand, given recent traffic on -stable, but forward? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --Xm/fll+QQv+hsKip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjuc8ncACgkQk6gHZCw343Xi+gCeNwx8YZ0KmhRYwwUO8kvS0v88 o+gAn3MPhaXdI2LVPvS3eaNq3iMlBMvr =Akiy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Xm/fll+QQv+hsKip-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 10:52:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A8D37B403; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8AHqeZ10670; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200109101752.f8AHqeZ10670@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > There won't be any one person taking charge of all the mirrors, the > mirrors will have to rely on their individual admins to keep things > straight. Sounds like you totally missed Jason's point, again. The people who run the mirrors need to know IN ADVANCE from the release-engineering team how much data to expect and when. My mirror job was running several days behind last week since you did not give me (and all the other mirror operators) an opportunity to clear out sufficient disk space for 4.4-RC4. This is a substantial investment of resources on our part, and a small effort on your part is not unreasonable to ask. Furthermore, if the mirrors are to do any good at all, you need to wait at least 24 hours after putting the bits on ftp-master. Most people's mirror jobs run once a day, in the early hours of the morning. I'm not going to sit here manually pushing the button every few minutes just in case you put something up -- I do have an actual job I'm supposed to be doing here -- but I'm perfectly willing to manually grab the bits *given timely notice*. If you publish the files first in 600 mode (readable only by whatever user runs rsyncd on ftp-master), then it would be possible for all of us to get the files well in advance without making the bits available until all the t's are crossed. (Assuming the mirror operators do like I do and run rsync under a different uid than ftpd runs under.) -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 11:23:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from boco.fee.vutbr.cz (boco.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.9.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3B137B405; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz [147.229.8.12]) by boco.fee.vutbr.cz (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AIN3q96468 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168 bits) verified OK); Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from cejkar@localhost) by kazi.dcse.fee.vutbr.cz (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8AIN3w64303; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:23:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:23:03 +0200 From: Cejka Rudolf To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <20010910202303.A63504@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> References: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org>; from jkh@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:33:57AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ... removing CC: -stable Jordan Hubbard wrote (2001/09/10): > say this: Forget about Lightning Internet - they're chapter 11 and out > of the picture. ftp.freesoftware.com, RIP. If I understand correctly, we know it, but we afraid about the possibility of similar situation and threat of ftp-master.FreeBSD.org = RIP :-), about unnecessary pushing too big load on ftp-master. Somebody wants to be decent. :-) > We'll put the bits up on there, wait some 12-24 hours before making the > public announcement (to allow some amount of mirror propagation to take > place) and then send out the announcement. Ok, 12 hours is our new rule like 1 hour update rule for CVS. So I'm changing my rsync update times to every 6 hours for FreeBSD and every 2 hours for CERT subtree. Feel free to say "Hey all, no, setup all your mirrors in a different way". (Note it could not be so strange because I update CVS subtrees locally (once a day).) > There won't be any one person taking charge of all the mirrors, the > mirrors will have to rely on their individual admins to keep things > straight. Is it possible at least to warn us on freebsd-hubs about upcoming big changes like "4.4-RELEASE with all the packages is ready on the ftp-master, so it is good time to check status of your mirrors" or "10 GB of new data are on ftp-master and there are no plans to remove the older stuff, so it is good time to run for bigger disk"? ;-) I have 75 GB disk, so is it sufficient for the near future or do I have to do something to get bigger disk space? It seems that there are no any afraids about disk space again. > > o list of sites who will have a complete 4.4 distribution for inclusion > > when press releases are made and for inclusion on any web pages and > > pointers. Maybe it is possible to create some script which will scan rsync & cvsup logs on the ftp-master and determine itself when and which mirrors are done its work and further maybe it is possible to display this list when anybody try to do finger @ftp-master.FreeBSD.org :-) ... isn't anybody in Paris right now to welcome FreeBSD 4.4 together? :-) -- Rudolf Cejka (cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz; http://www.fee.vutbr.cz/~cejkar) Brno University of Technology, Faculty of El. Engineering and Comp. Science Bozetechova 2, 612 66 Brno, Czech Republic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 11:30:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6460C37B405; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AITtT52032; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:29:55 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 45 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, again Nik, I asked how people would *feel* about it (read what I said very carefully), I didn't say that I was announcing a push-back to that date - that would have occurred in a follow-up making it clear in no uncertain terms what the new date was. Some people did feel that the 14th was a really good idea and others, who communicated with me more privately, felt that it was a very bad idea for various reasons I won't go into. I've since been trying to come up with a firm date which would make all parties happy and since I have yet to confirm that, you haven't seen an announcement declaring the new release date. Hopefully we can have all this resolved in the next 24 hours or so. - Jordan From: Nik Clayton Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:03:52 +0100 > On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:33:57AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > As to release dates, I'm still waiting for the security team to green > > light the release. They haven't come back with fixes for all the > > issues they highlighted over the weekend. > > In the last thread about this, you concluded with: > > > Well, there does appear to be a lot of general feeling that we should > > wait, so how would people feel about a push-back to the 14th? That > > would put it out next Friday. > > There was strong approval for this. In particular, the point that was > argued was that the previous date, the 8th, didn't allow enough time for > people to test during this week (weekends, people have lives, other > things to do, and so forth). > > That being the case, why are you now pulling the release date *forward*? > A further push-back I could understand, given recent traffic on -stable, > but forward? > > N > -- > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ > > --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 11:32:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from amun.isnic.is (amun.isnic.is [193.4.58.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E5D37B407 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from oli@localhost) by amun.isnic.is (8.11.4/8.11.4/isnic) id f8AIW8v63769 for hubs@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:32:08 GMT (envelope-from oli) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:32:08 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Icelandic Mirror Message-ID: <20010910183208.G40234@isnic.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have searched through the archives but didn't find any reference to another address than this one to send this request, it this is the wrong place please correct me. :) I'm writing to ask if I may set up an official FreeBSD mirror on ftp.rhnet.is in Iceland. I'm seting this machine up with a public mirror of many open source projects. Our machine at RHnet is called draupnir.rhnet.is and is connected with a 45Mb connection to NorduNET Denmark and we have from 100-1000Mb peering connections inside Iceland. RHnet is the Icelandic University Research Network. My intentions are to do a full mirror, that is everything over cvsup and ftp. I would also like to ask how one should go about to ask for a change in the administration of is.freebsd.org as the person running it is most of the time unavailable, is connected on a small (2Mb) connection and doesn't update anything on a daily bases. Oli -- Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet Iceland inc. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 11:46:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from eden.ispol.com (eden.ispol.com [206.239.103.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CAB37B40A; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (grisha@localhost) by eden.ispol.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8AIkNN27965; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from grisha@verio.net) X-Authentication-Warning: eden.ispol.com: grisha owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:46:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy" X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: ftp2.freebsd.org access denied In-Reply-To: <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter (or someone with administrative access to master): I just checked rsync logs on ftp2 and for the past 3-4 days we've been getting: @ERROR: access denied to FreeBSD from ftp2.freebsd.org (129.250.31.161) Grisha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 11:56: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.clickarray.com (dune.clickarray.com [209.10.62.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0923637B40B; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vader.clickarray.com (nattedaddress.clickarray.com [10.2.1.199]) by mail.clickarray.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4985EF09; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:45:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.clickarray.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f8AIZJk84921; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: vader.clickarray.com: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: Peter Pentchev Cc: jason andrade , "Jose M. Alcaide" , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@FreeBSD.ORG, ports@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug References: <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> <20010910144858.A50798@ringworld.oblivion.bg> From: asami@clickarray.com (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 10 Sep 2001 11:35:18 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20010910144858.A50798@ringworld.oblivion.bg> (Peter Pentchev's message of "Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:48:58 +0300") Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.14.5 (based on Gnus v5.8.7) (revision 06) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * From: Peter Pentchev * 4.4 itself is not released yet; however, the ports tree freeze did pass, * and the INDEX and the packages are already built. * * Satoshi (CC'd), what are the chances of rolling in a new package build, * or *at least* a rebuild of the INDEX and the cvsup{,-devel} packages? * It would be.. interesting.. if we released 4.4 with a CVSup with a S1G bug :) Sorry, I guess didn't announce it publically. There will be another ports freeze later this week and the package set will be rebuilt for 4.4. So whatever fix that's already in the tree will be included. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 12:13:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rfnj.org (rfnj.org [216.239.237.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEC837B408; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from megalomaniac.biosys.net (megalomaniac.rfnj.org [216.239.237.200]) by rfnj.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84DB136CA; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:12:48 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> X-Sender: asym@rfnj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:13:13 -0400 To: Jordan Hubbard , nik@FreeBSD.ORG From: Allen Landsidel Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:29 AM 9/10/2001 -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >in no uncertain terms what the new date was. Some people did feel >that the 14th was a really good idea and others, who communicated with Personally I feel it should be pushed back until things are working.. trying to pin a date on it, especially one so soon, is silly. I look at the pcic problems as a definite show-stopper for a -RELEASE.. having only one slot working is minor and can be worked around (by most people) during install by just using the other slot.. having the system freeze up solid after half an hour to an hour however is really bad.. in most cases, this isn't enough time to complete an install. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 12:40:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (cerberus.tcoip.com.br [200.220.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6331337B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcoip.com.br (ob3r9ijg0kwimkzt@[192.168.60.194]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8AGbOG05160 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:37:24 -0300 Message-ID: <3B9D1672.3040302@tcoip.com.br> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:37:22 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010808 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Servers down Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not sure if sending this kind of message here is appropriate or not (feel free to let me me know :), but... Due to hardware problems, the server on which we were providing ftp, web and cvsup mirrors is down. Talk about bad timing. It should remain down for one or two days, more if spare parts are not available locally. The IP address of the server is 200.220.255.66 and it is one of the IPs assigned to: www3.br.freebsd.org ftp4.br.freebsd.org cvsup4.br.freebsd.org -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net He who hesitates is not only lost, but several miles from the next freeway exit. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 12:48:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44B537B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AJlWT52332; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <200109101752.f8AHqeZ10670@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109101752.f8AHqeZ10670@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910124732B.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:47:32 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 27 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:52:40 -0400 (EDT) > Sounds like you totally missed Jason's point, again. No, I didn't miss it. You and Jason are simply asking for information I don't have to give you and you're not going to get. Each release comes together from a number of sources and nobody knows in advance just how big it's all going to be in the aggregate. I might know how big the "release bits" are (about 380MB), but I don't know the size of all the packages until I get them broken out by Steve, and he tends to get those sets to me as late as possible. He, in turn, has little idea how big the final ISO images of them are going to be since mkisofs using quite a few megabytes just for the metadata, and that depends largely on the sheer number of files there are on a given volume. Add to this the fact that 4.4-RELEASE will be the first one to incorporate 5 ISO images by default, so we can't even go by past metrics to come up with an exact size. If you haven't got the time or energy to properly administer a mirror given these sorts of unknowns then I can only suggest that you find someone else to administer it for you or take it off line. We have plenty of mirrors these days for which disk space isn't at such a premium that they have to clean house in advance of every release. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 12:50: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CB537B403 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AJnNT52343; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: cejkar@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910202303.A63504@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910202303.A63504@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910124923G.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:49:23 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Cejka Rudolf Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:23:03 +0200 > Is it possible at least to warn us on freebsd-hubs about upcoming > big changes like "4.4-RELEASE with all the packages is ready on the > ftp-master, so it is good time to check status of your mirrors" or Sure, that I can do no problem. Once it's fully uploaded to ftp-master, it's easy to say how much space it's going to take. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13: 2: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5131B37B408; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AK1ZT52443; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:01:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: all@biosys.net Cc: nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910130135H.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:01:35 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 18 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Allen Landsidel Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:13:13 -0400 > Personally I feel it should be pushed back until things are working.. > trying to pin a date on it, especially one so soon, is silly. > > I look at the pcic problems as a definite show-stopper for a -RELEASE.. Erm, OK. Are you working on this then? For all the other "issues" people have raised, I have someone flagged to fix it within a fixed time-frame and I know the impact it will have on the release date. I will not, however, accept any "showstoppers" that don't also have firm committments from some set of developers and a declared fix date. Otherwise we're just holding the release date up indefinitely for something that only *might* be fixed and everybody loses. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13: 6: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BA737B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AK4eg00996; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:04:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8AK4do51571; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109102004.f8AK4do51571@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: dl@leo.org Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010910124906.E46870@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20010910124906.E46870@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010910124906.E46870@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Daniel Lang wrote: > > The ports and packages are not updated yet. I'll do that next. > I've seen a change in two patch-files for the cvsup port. > Does this mean, cvsup may now again be built from the ports ? Yes. > Since this is no snap, but a p2 release, would you rather > recommend the port-release or the snap from the sources, > you made public on the S1G page ? I guess it probably > doesn't matter much. I recommend the "net/cvsup-devel" port. It is a port version of the snapshot that is on the S1G page. The snapshot is better because it includes many minor bugfixes that the release doesn't have. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13: 8:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D883837B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AK6ig01018; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:06:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8AK6hR51590; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:06:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109102006.f8AK6hR51590@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jose@we.lc.ehu.es Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010910131143.D314@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es>, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > > Now that the cvsup ports have been updated, is there any chance to get > the updated packages included in 4.4-RELEASE? The port managers and release engineers are aware of the situation. Although I haven't gotten formal approval from them yet, I am confident they'll make sure these updates get into the release. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:10:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF1337B409; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AKA7607313; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8AKA7t27002; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:10:07 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200109102010.f8AKA7t27002@harmony.village.org> To: Jordan Hubbard Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Cc: all@biosys.net, nik@FreeBSD.ORG, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:01:35 PDT." <20010910130135H.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010910130135H.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:10:07 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <20010910130135H.jkh@freebsd.org> Jordan Hubbard writes: : From: Allen Landsidel : Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring : Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:13:13 -0400 : : > Personally I feel it should be pushed back until things are working.. : > trying to pin a date on it, especially one so soon, is silly. : > : > I look at the pcic problems as a definite show-stopper for a -RELEASE.. : : Erm, OK. Are you working on this then? For all the other "issues" : people have raised, I have someone flagged to fix it within a fixed : time-frame and I know the impact it will have on the release date. I : will not, however, accept any "showstoppers" that don't also have firm : committments from some set of developers and a declared fix date. : Otherwise we're just holding the release date up indefinitely for : something that only *might* be fixed and everybody loses. I have no pcic fixes in my queue. If I need to, please get in touch with me asap. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:12: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D0B37B409 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:11:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AKBYg01072; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:11:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8AKBWJ51615; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109102011.f8AKBWJ51615@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: roam@ringlet.net Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug In-Reply-To: <20010910112417.C2053@ringworld.oblivion.bg> References: <20010909123920.G45219-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET> <200109092255.f89Mtws48647@vashon.polstra.com> <20010909175836.M30764@curie.physics.purdue.edu> <20010910112417.C2053@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010910112417.C2053@ringworld.oblivion.bg>, Peter Pentchev wrote: > Well, there was a Bugtraq post today about a S1G bug in MySQL > (and quite possibly other SQL servers as well) and keeping Unix > timestamps in (var)?char fields :) (not that I really understand why > anyone would want to keep a Unix timestamp in a character field..) What's frustrating about the CVSup bug is that it was only "accidentally" an S1G bug. The broken code didn't deal with specifically with dates or timestamps or anything like that. It was a simple text scanning routine, and the bug was a typo in which I typed the name of one variable when I meant to type the name of a different variable. By "luck" (bad luck, that is) this happened to cause no problems until the decimal representation of the date gained a digit. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:13:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A61537B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8AKD6d15598; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:13:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:13:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910124732B.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109101752.f8AHqeZ10670@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010910124732B.jkh@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > No, I didn't miss it. You and Jason are simply asking for information > I don't have to give you and you're not going to get. You are trying to tell me you are incapable of running `du -s | mail freebsd-hubs' before copying the files onto ftp-master?! You have no place casting aspersions on other people's competence, then. > Add to this the fact that 4.4-RELEASE will be the first one > to incorporate 5 ISO images by default ...which we, and I suspect most mirrors, absolutely WILL NOT carry. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:21: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B9F37B407 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AKKsg01133; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8AKKsW51656; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109102020.f8AKKsW51656@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au Subject: Re: CVSup upgrade to fix the timestamp bug (linux binaries) In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , jason andrade wrote: > Just trying to be helpful (i'd asked about linux binaries earlier). > > I've managed to get PM3 installed on my RedHat 7.0 server and used > that to compile up some linux binaries in case people out there are > having trouble upgrading (it takes a while to build stuff..) > > They have been built using PM3-1.1.15 + RH7.1 patches and used to > build cvsup-snap-16.1d. Many thanks to you and to the others who have been making binaries available! I am gathering them up and will get them onto the web page today. In some cases I've gotten binaries from several people for the same platform, so I hope nobody will feel bad if theirs doesn't get used. Right now I think I'm all set for: Red Hat 6.2 - 7.1 Debian GNU/Linux i386 potato (whatever _that_ is :-) FreeBSD-3.5 I have access to one Solaris machine, and an offer of access to another one. But the last time I built Solaris binaries it was a tough job, and I'm not sure yet when I can spend that much time on it. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:49:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rfnj.org (rfnj.org [216.239.237.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6AB37B405; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from megalomaniac.biosys.net (megalomaniac.rfnj.org [216.239.237.200]) by rfnj.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2B5136CA; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:49:35 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910164542.00a9eda8@rfnj.org> X-Sender: asym@rfnj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:50:01 -0400 To: Jordan Hubbard From: Allen Landsidel Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Cc: nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org, Warner Losh In-Reply-To: <20010910130135H.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:01 PM 9/10/2001 -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: >Erm, OK. Are you working on this then? For all the other "issues" Warner is working on it.. we go back and forth on -mobile almost daily. I'm providing him with dmesgs and whatever else he needs on request, and making new worlds/kernels for the laptop and testing them out as soon as I see commits to anything in the pccard areas.. along with diffs he sends on occasion for me to test without having comitted them first. >people have raised, I have someone flagged to fix it within a fixed >time-frame and I know the impact it will have on the release date. I >will not, however, accept any "showstoppers" that don't also have firm I can't say what his priorities are.. a lot of us on -mobile have had or are having problems since the NEWCARD stuff was MFC'd.. I'm ccing him on this so he can see it and have a chance to be involved in this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:50: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA7F37B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EA47950; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:46 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.24.91]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365AD10AC1; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:45 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id 18C2A13688; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:45 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: Garrett Wollman Cc: Jordan Hubbard , hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <20010910224945.A48267@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109101752.f8AHqeZ10670@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010910124732B.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu>; from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:13:06PM -0400 X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, Garrett Wollman wrote on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:13:06PM -0400: [..] > > No, I didn't miss it. You and Jason are simply asking for information > > I don't have to give you and you're not going to get. [..] > You are trying to tell me you are incapable of running `du -s | mail > freebsd-hubs' before copying the files onto ftp-master?! > > You have no place casting aspersions on other people's competence, > then. I just would like to suggest everyone to take it a bit more easy. I think this is not the time to summon hard feelings. Everything is a bit hectic these days, and a few unlucky things have happened. The banana-skin has two sides after all, but we all share the same goal. I guess it will be possible for the release folks, to give estimates on disk space. What Jordan has mentioned is sufficient for most mirrors I guess. I don't think a precise figure up to the last byte would be necessary. And a release date will also be given to the mirror maintainers. Thats all most of us needed. One could argue about the time, this happens in advance, but for now, it should be ok. Next time won't happen in a short interval. FreeBSD is no quirky Losix distribution where releases and foreign-language distributions are shipped every couple of weeks. On the other hand if a RC is due to be included or a release may be shipped within the next month or so, I guess its not a problem to notify. For the 5 CD-Set a final comment: The WC/Wind River CD-Set was never carried by the mirrors, as far as I'm recall, just the first CD of the set was, and I don't think this will change with 4.4-RELEASE. So anyway, I wrote much more, I intended to, so just keep up the good work. Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Cool people don't move, they just hang around. - Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * ++49 89 289 25735 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:52:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F9037B43B; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AKqK607450; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8AKqKt27317; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:52:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200109102052.f8AKqKt27317@harmony.village.org> To: Allen Landsidel Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Cc: Jordan Hubbard , nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:50:01 EDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20010910164542.00a9eda8@rfnj.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910164542.00a9eda8@rfnj.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:52:20 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <5.1.0.14.0.20010910164542.00a9eda8@rfnj.org> Allen Landsidel writes: : >Erm, OK. Are you working on this then? For all the other "issues" : : Warner is working on it.. we go back and forth on -mobile almost : daily. I'm providing him with dmesgs and whatever else he needs on : request, and making new worlds/kernels for the laptop and testing them out : as soon as I see commits to anything in the pccard areas.. along with diffs : he sends on occasion for me to test without having comitted them first. I'm not sure which problem you had, but I know of the following: o One slot of CL-PD6729/30 cards works, the other is busted. o Some card removal hangs o pcibios issues avoided by using ISA interrupts. Other than that, I'm unaware of any problems. While it would be nice to get those fixed by the release, they aren't show stopper for me. Am I forgetting something? : >people have raised, I have someone flagged to fix it within a fixed : >time-frame and I know the impact it will have on the release date. I : >will not, however, accept any "showstoppers" that don't also have firm : : I can't say what his priorities are.. a lot of us on -mobile have had or : are having problems since the NEWCARD stuff was MFC'd.. I'm ccing him on : this so he can see it and have a chance to be involved in this. Well, it wasn't NEWCARD that was merged. It was my upgrade of the pccard code to grok pci interrupts. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 13:58: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rfnj.org (rfnj.org [216.239.237.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D358237B403; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:57:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from megalomaniac.biosys.net (megalomaniac.rfnj.org [216.239.237.200]) by rfnj.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 910FC136CA; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:57:44 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910165021.00aa7890@rfnj.org> X-Sender: asym@rfnj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:58:10 -0400 To: Warner Losh , Jordan Hubbard From: Allen Landsidel Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200109102010.f8AKA7t27002@harmony.village.org> References: <20010910130135H.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:10 PM 9/10/2001 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >I have no pcic fixes in my queue. If I need to, please get in touch >with me asap. Oh jeeze.. last I heard was "I have some ideas I'm going to try out" or something to that effect, for the venerable Cirrus Logic PD 6729/6730. To date: 1. pcic0 picks up both pccard slots, but only slot-0 is functional. Inserting/removing cards from slot-1 has no discernable effect on the system. 2. pcic1 is still "detected" but results in the following : pcic1: Cannot get I/O range pcic1: failed to probe at port 0xfcfc iomem 0xd8000 irq 9 drq 0 on isa0 3. Shutting down via 'reboot' or Ctrl-Alt-Del results in a system freeze right after showing the uptime. 4. The system randomly freezes after anywhere from 30 to 90 minutes of uptime. Just in case you thought you fixed this, I'm cvsupping right now to build a new world and kernel for this laptop.. although I did this last a day or two ago and no dice. I have hw.pcic.inter_path=1 and hw.pcic.irq=0 in my /boot/loader.conf. Have tried variations of these values with no success. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14: 5:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B960437B407; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lobster.originative.co.uk (lobster [62.232.68.81]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B8E1D162; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:04:44 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:04:43 +0100 From: Paul Richards To: Jordan Hubbard , nik@freebsd.org Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --On Monday, September 10, 2001 11:29:55 -0700 Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Well, again Nik, I asked how people would *feel* about it (read what I > said very carefully), I didn't say that I was announcing a push-back > to that date - that would have occurred in a follow-up making it clear > in no uncertain terms what the new date was. Some people did feel > that the 14th was a really good idea and others, who communicated with > me more privately, felt that it was a very bad idea for various > reasons I won't go into. I've since been trying to come up with a > firm date which would make all parties happy and since I have yet to > confirm that, you haven't seen an announcement declaring the new > release date. Hopefully we can have all this resolved in the next > 24 hours or so. So, a large public response requesting a delay to do more testing is not as relevant as private correspondence which you won't go into? I think you should explain what the reasons are for not going with the majority opinion on the list. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd http://www.freebsd-services.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14: 9: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F059E37B618; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:08:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AL8ET52733; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:08:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200109101752.f8AHqeZ10670@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010910124732B.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910140814G.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:08:14 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 49 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 16:13:06 -0400 (EDT) > < said: > > > No, I didn't miss it. You and Jason are simply asking for information > > I don't have to give you and you're not going to get. > > You are trying to tell me you are incapable of running `du -s | mail > freebsd-hubs' before copying the files onto ftp-master?! > > You have no place casting aspersions on other people's competence, > then. I'm not casting aspersions on other people's competence and whatever it is that's causing you to be a grouchy old sod, I wish you'd take care of it by calling an escort service or something. What I SAID was that if you weren't up to doing the administration of a mirror, you should find someone else to do it or pull the mirror since I do understand that some mirror maintainers aren't capable of doing that and juggling their day jobs too. I'm perfectly able to run a du -s on ftp-master once all the various pieces have rendezvoused there, but that's not the kind of "advance notice" it appeared that you and others have been asking for or I'd have said "sure, fine" right from the outset. > > Add to this the fact that 4.4-RELEASE will be the first one > > to incorporate 5 ISO images by default > > ...which we, and I suspect most mirrors, absolutely WILL NOT carry. I don't care what the tier-n mirrors carry, where n is a positive integer greater than or equal to 2, but part of the responsibility of being a Tier-1 mirror, as clearly stated at the outset of ftp-master's entering service, is carrying a FULL and COMPLETE copy and I fully expect the tier-1 mirrors to continue doing so or be removed from the access list for Tier 1 mirrors. It's not like all of this (5 ISOs, Tier-1 rules) hasn't been discussed with more than adequate notice up to now so I honestly don't know what's got your butt-fur all knotted up at this late stage of the game. Here's a comb, have at it and get out of my mailbox now please. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14:18:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131BD37B403; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8ALGeT52806; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: dl@leo.org Cc: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910224945.A48267@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20010910124732B.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010910224945.A48267@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910141640G.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:16:40 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 21 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Daniel Lang Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:45 +0200 > For the 5 CD-Set a final comment: > > The WC/Wind River CD-Set was never carried by the mirrors, > as far as I'm recall, just the first CD of the set was, > and I don't think this will change with 4.4-RELEASE. It will change with 4.4-RELEASE, as previously decided at USENIX this year. Since I'm no longer affiliated with WC/Wind River and there are now multiple prospective players in the CD distribution game, it's up to the project (e.g. the re's) to release the appropriate bits and let the external publishers take them and do what they wish with them. It's not like we're releasing the full 6 CD toolkit ISOs too - that would certainly be overkill. Just FreeBSD + all the most important packages to go with it in ISO format. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14:24:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EDE537B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8ALNtT52885; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:23:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: paul@freebsd-services.com Cc: nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:23:55 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 19 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So, a large public response requesting a delay to do more testing is not as > relevant as private correspondence which you won't go into? Boy, are there some elections going on in the UK right now or something? I've never seen so much last-minute politicking! It's not a question of "comparative relevance" and I've certainly taken the public response into account or you'd be seeing 4.4 up on the mirrors right now. The people at WindRiver have their own time-lines to adhere to if we want to see anything in the way of another CD release from them and I'm trying to work within those constraints as well since the project has always enjoyed seeing those products on the shelves. I find it kind of ironic in light of that fact that your own sudden outpourings of concern stem from your own DVD product business issues vs some genuine concern for product stability or something. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14:51: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.originative.co.uk (mailgate.originative.co.uk [62.232.68.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1575237B407; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:50:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lobster.originative.co.uk (lobster [62.232.68.81]) by mailgate.originative.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454DC1D162; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:50:57 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:50:57 +0100 From: Paul Richards To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <239720000.1000158657@lobster.originative.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.0 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --On Monday, September 10, 2001 14:23:55 -0700 Jordan Hubbard wrote: >> So, a large public response requesting a delay to do more testing is not >> as relevant as private correspondence which you won't go into? > > Boy, are there some elections going on in the UK right now or > something? I've never seen so much last-minute politicking! > > It's not a question of "comparative relevance" and I've certainly > taken the public response into account or you'd be seeing 4.4 up on > the mirrors right now. > > The people at WindRiver have their own time-lines to adhere to if we > want to see anything in the way of another CD release from them and > I'm trying to work within those constraints as well since the project > has always enjoyed seeing those products on the shelves. I find it > kind of ironic in light of that fact that your own sudden outpourings > of concern stem from your own DVD product business issues vs some > genuine concern for product stability or something. I have always voiced concern over the way you roll releases according to CD mastering schedules. I have done so since we first got involved with WC all those years ago. My viewpoint has *always* been that a release is ready when it's working, not when the replication deadline looms for the company behind the scenes calling the shots. If we were looking out for our own interests then we'd have been pushing for a release sooner rather than later since that would bring the revenue in sooner. Far from pushing for an earlier release though we want to see a *good* release and we will not put our commercial interests ahead of the quality of the project. Paul Richards FreeBSD Services Ltd http://www.freebsd-services.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14:52:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-140-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9837B409; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f8ALfp300667; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:41:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:41:51 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <20010910224151.E6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org>; from jkh@freebsd.org on Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:29:55AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 11:29:55AM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > I didn't say that I was announcing a push-back > to that date - that would have occurred in a follow-up making it clear > in no uncertain terms what the new date was. Some people did feel > that the 14th was a really good idea=20 Yes. > and others, who communicated with > me more privately, felt that it was a very bad idea for various > reasons I won't go into. =20 Why not? If there's some ulterior motive for having the release at a specific time then we ("we" =3D=3D the project) should know about it. Who else is trying to dictate the project's release schedule? N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjudM58ACgkQk6gHZCw343VQgQCfTjrLnS8Ii9UNNuWnndkJ6zl4 UGEAnArgjlZeZc6vfMxpDVGjB+HEwLjj =zINq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KJY2Ze80yH5MUxol-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 14:59:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE90637B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se (brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27922; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:59:54 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200109102159.XAA27922@mother.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: Message from Jordan Hubbard of "Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:08:14 PDT." <20010910140814G.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:59:52 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Add to this the fact that 4.4-RELEASE will be the first one > > > to incorporate 5 ISO images by default > > = > > ...which we, and I suspect most mirrors, absolutely WILL NOT carry. > = > I don't care what the tier-n mirrors carry, where n is a positive > integer greater than or equal to 2, but part of the responsibility of > being a Tier-1 mirror, as clearly stated at the outset of ftp-master's > entering service, is carrying a FULL and COMPLETE copy and I fully > expect the tier-1 mirrors to continue doing so or be removed from the > access list for Tier 1 mirrors. It's not like all of this (5 ISOs, > Tier-1 rules) hasn't been discussed with more than adequate notice up > to now so I honestly don't know what's got your butt-fur all knotted > up at this late stage of the game. Here's a comb, have at it and get > out of my mailbox now please. I am sorry but this is simply not true! The tier-n thing has ben discusse= d, = but not implemented or agreed to in any formal way. If it is then that fa= ct has not = reached the mirror maintainers. = As=A0to the size, 5 ISO images is not that mouch compared to 52Gb in port= s... 4 = more ISO images is not a real problem for a complete mirror. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:11: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D245637B40A; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AMATT53047; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:10:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: paul@freebsd-services.com Cc: nik@freebsd.org, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <239720000.1000158657@lobster.originative.co.uk> References: <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> <239720000.1000158657@lobster.originative.co.uk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910151029W.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:10:29 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 44 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:50:57 +0100 > I have always voiced concern over the way you roll releases according to CD > mastering schedules. I have done so since we first got involved with WC all > those years ago. > > My viewpoint has *always* been that a release is ready when it's working, > not when the replication deadline looms for the company behind the scenes > calling the shots. Yes yes, this is all fine rhetoric and certainly nothing anyone could argue with if life were quite as simple as that. It is not, however, a simple matter of "calling our own shots" or somehow fending off all those wicked Nazi CDROM publishers who only want to enslave us for our precious bodily fluids (to quote Gen. Jack D Ripper). It is and always has been a question of ACCOMMODATION to various interests, your own company in the U.K. included, under the time honored principle of giving something to get something. In this case, what we want is to continue to see FreeBSD in the retail channel and direct sales markets, both here and abroad. I'm furthermore willing to bet you a dozen gold Krugerrands that if those products disappeared in the next 90 days, you'd hear no end of the screaming from FreeBSD enthusiasts wondering if this was the beginning of The End for FreeBSD since clearly the commercial folks wouldn't be deserting us if they didn't know something the rest of the user base did not. It would be unbelievably naive and short-sighted to think that CDROM publication of our product does not affect customer perception every bit as much, in its own fashion, as product reliability and all that other good stuff does. This is why the requirements for keeping that particular market alive and healthy have always been a part of the project's requirements for each release. They're not the only requirements, far from it, but they're certainly important and they ARE taken into account, just as show-stopper bugs and security holes are taken into account. You're not doing the project any service at all by spouting rhetoric which attempts to paint this as an either-or (or "us" vs "them") argument. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:12: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C46337B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AMBdT53064; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910224151.E6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910224151.E6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910151139C.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:11:39 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 9 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Why not? If there's some ulterior motive for having the release at a > specific time then we ("we" == the project) should know about it. Who > else is trying to dictate the project's release schedule? Nobody is "dictating" anything. People are making their concerns known, as always, and I'm trying to weigh the various concerns in a way which produces the best possible result. As always. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:16:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF8D37B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AMGIb05861 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:16:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:16:21 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD 4.4 thread (summary/finish?) In-Reply-To: <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, First of all, i've trimmed the headers on this - i didn't quite expect it'd get this noisy. Also, this mail wasn't meant to be an attack on jordan or the freebsd group - i was just trying to illustrate the problems we had with the last release and was hoping we might get them addressed for 4.4. This is looking very unlikely, but perhaps something can be done for 5.0 and we write that idea off for this release. > I must have missed the attached rant from Will, but let me first just > say this: Forget about Lightning Internet - they're chapter 11 and out > of the picture. ftp.freesoftware.com, RIP. that's a real shame. i was only including that mail for humour and to make a bit of a point. it wasn't meant to be taken literally (and i'm hoping will doesnt't shoot me for only quoting part of it..) > All the release engineering team is concerned with at this point is > ftp-master.freebsd.org. We'll put the bits up on there, wait some > 12-24 hours before making the public announcement (to allow some > amount of mirror propagation to take place) and then send out the unforunately this doesn't help. at all. there are thousands of people and automated sites watching and freebsd starts being downloaded well before any announcement by the group as well as getting posted to slashdot et al. Summary None of the points raised are able to be met for this release. no "advance" release to mirrors and no mirror co-ordinator available. Some statements about time involved and having "plenty of disk on lots of mirrors" are misguided. It's not a personal attack jordan, but the FreeBSD mirrors are gradually getting worse. It's significantly worse now than it was 3-4 years ago. In Australia there were 8 or so pretty keen and up to date mirrors. I don't believe there is even 1 anymore. There are still a few people coming along offering to do freebsd mirroring, but they don't realise the workload involved (and resources) and either soon drop out, or only carry a small subset. While i (now) realise there is lots of politics involved, is there any chance the freebsd group will admit that mirroring could be done better and it will need some changes over time (which will NOT be possible for this release). The 12 hours allocated before an announcement is made - with the 4.3 release, it took almost 3 days just to get some of the ISO images. The bottleneck at the time was partly our pacific links (lots of people from AU not finding anything on a local mirror and going to the US) and the freebsd site (lots of people not finding anything on a local mirror and...) being saturated. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:18:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 336C937B405 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:18:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AMIHT53107; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:18:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: pantzer@ludd.luth.se Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <200109102159.XAA27922@mother.ludd.luth.se> References: <200109102159.XAA27922@mother.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910151817S.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:18:17 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Mattias Pantzare Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:59:52 +0200 > I am sorry but this is simply not true! The tier-n thing has ben discussed, > but not implemented or agreed to in any formal way. If it is then that fact has not > reached the mirror maintainers. Well, I'm honestly not sure how the mirror maintainers could have missed the discussion in hubs at the time, but you may rest assured that the maintainers of ftp-master.freebsd.org see things this way and if you want to make it official, then consider it official. Only full and complete mirrors should be talking to ftp-master.freebsd.org. The whole multi-tier mirroring arrangement just can't work any other way. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:22:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F60937B403; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8AMMWM17044; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:22:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:22:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200109102222.f8AMMWM17044@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > Boy, are there some elections going on in the UK right now or > something? I've never seen so much last-minute politicking! I don't see any politicking going on. I do see a number of people getting increasingly pissed off at your cavalier attitude towards those who have volunteered their time and network resources for the benefit of this project, and your flat-out refusal to take steps which will make life easier for mirror operators. Perhaps it's time for you to step down as release engineer and let someone who is more interested in cooperation with us in the free distribution channel take over. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:34:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.14.150.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFF837B409 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8AMYQM64953 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:34:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id F26CC3808; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:34:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy" Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp2.freebsd.org access denied In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:34:24 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010910223425.F26CC3808@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Gregory (Grisha) Trubetskoy" wrote: > > Peter (or someone with administrative access to master): > > I just checked rsync logs on ftp2 and for the past 3-4 days we've been > getting: > > > @ERROR: access denied to FreeBSD from ftp2.freebsd.org (129.250.31.161) Sorry, fixed. when merging all the ACL's into a common set, I could no longer use the *.freebsd.org wildcard since cvsupd tries to forward resolve it at startup and fails. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:36:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8692A37B406 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8AMa9T53189; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:36:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <200109102222.f8AMMWM17044@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <225240000.1000155883@lobster.originative.co.uk> <20010910142355X.jkh@freebsd.org> <200109102222.f8AMMWM17044@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010910153609F.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:36:09 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 42 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Get over yourself, Garrett. As I've already clarified to Jason in a private mail, this isn't a question of my being "cavalier", this is a question of trying to simply get the bits up onto ftp-master.freebsd.org and then standing out of the way and letting the mirrors do their thing as planned. You asked for information I didn't have a great deal in advance and I explained to you why I didn't have it, but that's evidently not enough for you. Frankly, Garrett, I've had it up to here with you and your own attitude as well and if you want to start casting stones about pissing people off then maybe you should focus less on playing free-lance critic and more on doing some actual work for the project since I haven't seen squat out of you in I don't know how long. If tangible contributions to the project's welfare were currency you could spend on telling other people what to do, you'd be bankrupt. Why not just resign your commit bit already and go the hell away? - Jordan From: Garrett Wollman Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:22:32 -0400 (EDT) > < said: > > > Boy, are there some elections going on in the UK right now or > > something? I've never seen so much last-minute politicking! > > I don't see any politicking going on. I do see a number of people > getting increasingly pissed off at your cavalier attitude towards > those who have volunteered their time and network resources for the > benefit of this project, and your flat-out refusal to take steps which > will make life easier for mirror operators. Perhaps it's time for you > to step down as release engineer and let someone who is more > interested in cooperation with us in the free distribution channel > take over. > > -GAWollman > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:41:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.14.150.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E840637B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8AMfrM64995; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B433808; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jordan Hubbard , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <200109102013.f8AKD6d15598@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:41:52 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010910224153.97B433808@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > No, I didn't miss it. You and Jason are simply asking for information > > I don't have to give you and you're not going to get. > > You are trying to tell me you are incapable of running `du -s | mail > freebsd-hubs' before copying the files onto ftp-master?! FWIW, there is a staging area on the same filesystem as the archive on ftp-master. Please upload stuff to /archive/tmp, then rename it into the /archive/pub/FreeBSD/wherever tree when its done. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:44:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F0937B401; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.6/8.11.2) id f8AMiTW43346; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:44:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200109102244.f8AMiTW43346@earth.backplane.com> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring References: <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910224151.E6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910151139C.jkh@freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheesh, everyone's arguing over such trivial things, you'd think they dinna have day jobs! [8-o]h no. :-( -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:45:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mother.ludd.luth.se (mother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC3B37B403; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brother.ludd.luth.se (brother.ludd.luth.se [130.240.16.78]) by mother.ludd.luth.se (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00160; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:45:39 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200109102245.AAA00160@mother.ludd.luth.se> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: Message from Jordan Hubbard of "Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:18:17 PDT." <20010910151817S.jkh@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:45:37 +0200 From: Mattias Pantzare Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I am sorry but this is simply not true! The tier-n thing has ben discussed, > > but not implemented or agreed to in any formal way. If it is then that fact has not > > reached the mirror maintainers. > > Well, I'm honestly not sure how the mirror maintainers could have > missed the discussion in hubs at the time, but you may rest assured > that the maintainers of ftp-master.freebsd.org see things this way and > if you want to make it official, then consider it official. Only full > and complete mirrors should be talking to ftp-master.freebsd.org. The > whole multi-tier mirroring arrangement just can't work any other way. Nice, then we have to implement it. :-) We still have to agree on what amount of space one have to have available to have a complete mirror, and give mirror maintainers time to get more space when we realise that things are going to grow. Is is impossible to agree to be a complete mirror without that information. We also have to get the tier-2 sites some tier-1 sites to mirror from. But this will have to wait until after the release is done. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 15:59:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AFB237B403 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AMxFg02162 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 15:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Polstra & Co., Inc. From: John Polstra To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: More CVSup binaries are available Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've updated the web page with the CVSup binaries that people have sent me: http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ I've also got binaries for FreeBSD-2.2 in the pipeline. They'll be added to the web page later on today. If you don't see the platform you need, check again every day. I'll add new ones as I get them. John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Mon Sep 10 20:29:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from rfnj.org (rfnj.org [216.239.237.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0844F37B405; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from megalomaniac.biosys.net (megalomaniac.rfnj.org [216.239.237.200]) by rfnj.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BDDA13B12; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:29:01 +0000 (GMT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910232436.00a97cc8@rfnj.org> X-Sender: asym@rfnj.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:29:31 -0400 To: Warner Losh From: Allen Landsidel Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Cc: Jordan Hubbard , nik@FreeBSD.ORG, jason@dstc.edu.au, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200109102052.f8AKqKt27317@harmony.village.org> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010910164542.00a9eda8@rfnj.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> <20010910180352.C6391@clan.nothing-going-on.org> <20010910112955V.jkh@freebsd.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20010910151020.00a95a70@rfnj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:52 PM 9/10/2001 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >I'm not sure which problem you had, but I know of the following: > o One slot of CL-PD6729/30 cards works, the other is busted. > o Some card removal hangs > o pcibios issues avoided by using ISA interrupts. >Other than that, I'm unaware of any problems. While it would be nice >to get those fixed by the release, they aren't show stopper for me. > >Am I forgetting something? Nope, the first one is me, along with the others in my previous email. After latest cvsup as of today, same problems I listed.. although the random freeze seems to have gone away or at least is not manifesting right now. Still only one card slot working though, and the machine still won't gracefully reboot no matter what I do.. I'd like to see that one fixed for -RELEASE even if the card slot isn't working. >Well, it wasn't NEWCARD that was merged. It was my upgrade of the >pccard code to grok pci interrupts. Ah ok, my bad.. I've thought all this time it was NEWCARD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 0:42: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A3E537B405; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 00:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id ADEC35DA5; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:41:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:41:53 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Mattias Pantzare Cc: Jordan Hubbard , hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <20010911094153.C56165@skriver.dk> References: <200109102245.AAA00160@mother.ludd.luth.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109102245.AAA00160@mother.ludd.luth.se>; from pantzer@ludd.luth.se on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:45:37AM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:45:37AM +0200, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > > > I am sorry but this is simply not true! The tier-n thing has ben discussed, > > > but not implemented or agreed to in any formal way. If it is then that fact has not > > > reached the mirror maintainers. > > > > Well, I'm honestly not sure how the mirror maintainers could have > > missed the discussion in hubs at the time, but you may rest assured > > that the maintainers of ftp-master.freebsd.org see things this way and > > if you want to make it official, then consider it official. Only full > > and complete mirrors should be talking to ftp-master.freebsd.org. The > > whole multi-tier mirroring arrangement just can't work any other way. > > Nice, then we have to implement it. :-) > > We still have to agree on what amount of space one have to have available to > have a complete mirror, and give mirror maintainers time to get more space > when we realise that things are going to grow. Is is impossible to agree to > be a complete mirror without that information. I agree, I just had to do a "emergency" upgrade of ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org when it's former 65 GB RAID5 thingy ran out of space during the 4.4-RC* run ... If we can decide that a tier1 mirror is required to have, say 100 GB available, then it's up to the release engineer to ensure that no more than 98 GB is on ftp-master, thus ensuring that the mirrors won't run out of space. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 2: 3:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C47037B40C; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8B93m920892; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:03:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8B8w2j00707; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:58:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:58:02 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: Jesper Skriver Cc: Mattias Pantzare , Jordan Hubbard , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Message-ID: <20010911105802.A323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <200109102245.AAA00160@mother.ludd.luth.se> <20010911094153.C56165@skriver.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010911094153.C56165@skriver.dk>; from jesper@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:41:53AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 09:41:53AM +0200, Jesper Skriver wrote: > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:45:37AM +0200, Mattias Pantzare wrote: > > We still have to agree on what amount of space one have to have available to > > have a complete mirror, and give mirror maintainers time to get more space > > when we realise that things are going to grow. Is is impossible to agree to > > be a complete mirror without that information. > > I agree, I just had to do a "emergency" upgrade of ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org > when it's former 65 GB RAID5 thingy ran out of space during the 4.4-RC* > run ... > > If we can decide that a tier1 mirror is required to have, say 100 > GB available, then it's up to the release engineer to ensure that > no more than 98 GB is on ftp-master, thus ensuring that the > mirrors won't run out of space. I like that idea. BTW, port distfiles represent a significative percentage of a FreeBSD mirror's storage needs (near 12GB and growing). Couldn't the distfiles be moved to a different archive? IMHO, port distfiles are not an "official" part of FreeBSD, since they are not required for installing FreeBSD or even for building ports. The distfiles archive is useful, indeed, but I think that carrying them should not be a requirement for being declared "complete FreeBSD mirror". Also, I remember that building a new "FreeBSD-archive" was discussed a few months ago. That FreeBSD-archive would store "old" FreeBSD bits (what's old and what's not?). Maybe that archive could also include the port distfiles. Cheers, JMA -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 3: 3:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5E237B40A for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8BA3m921260 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:03:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8BA1U201083 for hubs@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:01:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:01:30 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Looking for a complete tier-1 mirror in Europe/TEN-155 Message-ID: <20010911120130.C323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="H1spWtNR+x+ondvy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I run the ftp3.es.freebsd.org mirror. Currently it is a tier-1 mirror, but I think that if I could find a tier-1 mirror in Europe, with good connectivity to the TEN-155 European research network, then I would change ftp3.es to a tier-2 mirror. I am looking for a *complete* FreeBSD mirror (including port distfiles), frequently updated from ftp-master. Thanks, JMA --=20 ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7neD6w3dKzMIhX8MRArMnAJ9PKH5ozSLjAAhEI1KxtvSq25fPngCeLXWU txghbSrPpJzPObSNEaBYEBM= =yYnN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --H1spWtNR+x+ondvy-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 3:11:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from securemail.webpartner.dk (securemail.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A89E37B406 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpserver1.hq.webpartner.dk ([195.184.96.248]) by securemail.webpartner.dk (NAVGW 2.5.1.6) with SMTP id M2001091112120025400 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:12:00 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:15:36 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror Thread-Index: AcE6qW1DRMpGGIz+SVCYAkMqb/GBWAAASwIg From: "Tommy Eriksen" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, >=20 > We've set up a mirror of ftp.freebsd.org. Right now it=20 > mirrors via ftp every 4 hours - if you prefer another=20 > mirroring-mechanism, please let us know so we can switch over. =20 > The machine itself is a P3-500 on STM1/T3-connections. It is=20 > located in Copenhagen, Denmark. >=20 > Thanks in advance, Venlig hilsen / Best regards Tommy Eriksen WEBPARTNER A/S www.webpartner.dk e-mail: te@webpartner.dk Telefon: +45 70 26 23 00 Fax: +45 70 26 23 01=20 Direkte: +45 35 25 47 78 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 3:16:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E4C37B40C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2FEE25DA3; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:16:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:16:23 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Tommy Eriksen Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror Message-ID: <20010911121623.A58214@skriver.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from te@webpartner.dk on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:15:36PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:15:36PM +0200, Tommy Eriksen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We've set up a mirror of ftp.freebsd.org. Right now it > > mirrors via ftp every 4 hours - if you prefer another > > mirroring-mechanism, please let us know so we can switch over. > > > The machine itself is a P3-500 on STM1/T3-connections. It is > > located in Copenhagen, Denmark. Denmark allready has 3 tier 1 mirrors ftp.FreeBSD.org ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org ftp2.dk.FreeBSD.org I think that's sufficient for a country of 5 million people ... /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 3:24: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB4837B422 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:23:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8BANJb07763; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:23:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:23:22 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010911105802.A323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: (please note, i've trimmed the headers since i have assumed those people who were on it are seeing this via hubs@ anyway) > even for building ports. The distfiles archive is useful, indeed, but I > think that carrying them should not be a requirement for being declared > "complete FreeBSD mirror". > > Also, I remember that building a new "FreeBSD-archive" was discussed a few > months ago. That FreeBSD-archive would store "old" FreeBSD bits (what's > old and what's not?). Maybe that archive could also include the port > distfiles. i would say a Tier-2 Official FreeBSD mirror could be defined as: o carrying FreeBSD release trees (3 releases including the latest?) o carrying FreeBSD releases ISOs (3 ?) o carrying FreeBSD packages o carrying FreeBSD security (aka CERT) o carrying FreeBSD docs o must be up to date with all of the above to within 48 hours ? and that would meet the minimum requirements of what 75% of the general population want - a site to download or install FreeBSD from. this would not stop Tier-2s from carrying additional content such as o FreeBSD distfiles o FreeBSD branches source tree o FreeBSD CVSup source tree o FreeBSD CTM source tree o FreeBSD misc/development content o FreeBSD archive releases o FreeBSD SNAP releases Of course there are a number of official FreeBSD mirrors now that can only carry a partial release tree (only the latest releases or a specific architecture, usually i386), so we'd have to think about how that could fit into things as a Tier-2. comments ? -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 3:26:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from securemail.webpartner.dk (securemail.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2A3237B40C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpserver1.hq.webpartner.dk ([195.184.96.248]) by securemail.webpartner.dk (NAVGW 2.5.1.6) with SMTP id M2001091112270129941 ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:27:01 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:30:37 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror Thread-Index: AcE6q1mq8b9uY6hASACVIcAkreag3wAAMeow From: "Tommy Eriksen" To: "Jesper Skriver" Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:15:36PM +0200, Tommy Eriksen wrote: > > > Hi, > > >=20 > > > We've set up a mirror of ftp.freebsd.org. Right now it=20 > > > mirrors via ftp every 4 hours - if you prefer another=20 > > > mirroring-mechanism, please let us know so we can switch over. > > =20 > > > The machine itself is a P3-500 on STM1/T3-connections. It is=20 > > > located in Copenhagen, Denmark. >=20 > Denmark allready has 3 tier 1 mirrors >=20 >ftp.FreeBSD.org >ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org >ftp2.dk.FreeBSD.org It would seem that ftp.dk.freebsd.org and ftp2.dk.freebsd.org are in fact the same machine (boulder.tele.dk) and that the 2 (3?) servers are hosted at the same ISP (TDC) which is why we wanted to provide a mirror at another ISP. Venlig hilsen / Best regards Tommy Eriksen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 3:58:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailout2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9FAB37B40E for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 03:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by mailout2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F478109; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:58:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.24.91]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5856310AC1; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:58:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id 74D0C1367C; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:58:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:58:12 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Looking for a complete tier-1 mirror in Europe/TEN-155 Message-ID: <20010911125812.C63247@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20010911120130.C323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010911120130.C323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es>; from jose@we.lc.ehu.es on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:01:30PM +0200 X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Jose M. Alcaide wrote on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:01:30PM +0200: [..] > I run the ftp3.es.freebsd.org mirror. Currently it is a tier-1 mirror, but > I think that if I could find a tier-1 mirror in Europe, with good > connectivity to the TEN-155 European research network, then I would change > ftp3.es to a tier-2 mirror. I am looking for a *complete* FreeBSD mirror > (including port distfiles), frequently updated from ftp-master. Try ftp.leo.org aka ftp4.de.freebsd.org we have an excellent TEN-155 connection. It's sort of complete. The 4.4-rc4 packages are not completed yet, but I hope this will be the case soon. distfiles should be up to date. We update daily from ftp-master. I just recently changed vom rsync to cvsup. Once the packages are completed I may switch to a more frequent mirroring. You may access FreeBSD via FTP or rsync. Just ask, if you have any questions. Best regards, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - May His Shadow fall upon thee - *Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 25735 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 4:53:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from tigerdyr.wheel.dk (tigerdyr.wheel.dk [62.242.234.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9658B37B406 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tigerdyr.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1002) id B92F9229C5; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:53:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:53:07 +0200 From: Michael =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lyngb=F8l?= To: Tommy Eriksen Cc: Jesper Skriver , hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror Message-ID: <20010911135307.S38427@tigerdyr.wheel.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 4.3-RELEASE-p12 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CA6 3789 1455 8FC2 D499 F22A D763 1ABB 9E4A 37AE X-PGP-Public-Key: finger lyngbol@tigerdyr.wheel.dk Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11.09.2001 12:30:37 +0000, Tommy Eriksen wrote: > > > > > > > > We've set up a mirror of ftp.freebsd.org. Right now it > > > > mirrors via ftp every 4 hours - if you prefer another > > > > mirroring-mechanism, please let us know so we can switch over. > > > > > > > The machine itself is a P3-500 on STM1/T3-connections. It is > > > > located in Copenhagen, Denmark. > > > > Denmark allready has 3 tier 1 mirrors > > > >ftp.FreeBSD.org > >ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org > >ftp2.dk.FreeBSD.org > > It would seem that ftp.dk.freebsd.org and ftp2.dk.freebsd.org are in > fact the same machine (boulder.tele.dk) and that the 2 (3?) servers are > hosted at the same ISP (TDC) which is why we wanted to provide a mirror > at another ISP. Wierd. ftp2.dk.freebsd.org used to be a CNAME for thot.dkuug.dk. The only two hosted at TDC should be ftp.FreeBSD.org + ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org. (which is suffient for Denmark) /Michael -- Michael Lyngbøl -- michael at lyngbol dot dk TDC Tele Danmark, DataNetworks, IP section To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 4:56:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0B737B407; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 04:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 99C2C5D33; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:56:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 13:56:41 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Tommy Eriksen Cc: hubs@freebsd.org, phk@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror Message-ID: <20010911135641.D58214@skriver.dk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from te@webpartner.dk on Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:30:37PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:30:37PM +0200, Tommy Eriksen wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 12:15:36PM +0200, Tommy Eriksen wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We've set up a mirror of ftp.freebsd.org. Right now it > > > > mirrors via ftp every 4 hours - if you prefer another > > > > mirroring-mechanism, please let us know so we can switch over. > > > > > > > The machine itself is a P3-500 on STM1/T3-connections. It is > > > > located in Copenhagen, Denmark. > > > > Denmark allready has 3 tier 1 mirrors > > > >ftp.FreeBSD.org > >ftp.dk.FreeBSD.org > >ftp2.dk.FreeBSD.org > > It would seem that ftp.dk.freebsd.org and ftp2.dk.freebsd.org are in > fact the same machine (boulder.tele.dk) and that the 2 (3?) servers are > hosted at the same ISP (TDC) which is why we wanted to provide a mirror > at another ISP. ftp2 used to be a DKUUG, phk, do you know if it's down for a shorter time, or permanently ? At a different ISP could be usefull, but again, Denmark is fairly well connected between ISP's, but it's your call. /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 5:30:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from securemail.webpartner.dk (securemail.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAAD937B406; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wpserver1.hq.webpartner.dk ([195.184.96.248]) by securemail.webpartner.dk (NAVGW 2.5.1.6) with SMTP id M2001091114310816621 ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:31:08 +0200 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:34:44 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FW: New FreeBSD FTP-mirror Thread-Index: AcE6uWEKTR3Y0N0nQwOcX3tOfNQWkwAA/ufQ From: "Tommy Eriksen" To: "Jesper Skriver" Cc: Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At a different ISP could be usefull, but again, Denmark is fairly > well connected between ISP's, but it's your call. The machine is up and running anyway. And it's got plenty of space. If you people think it could be useful with a mirror at another ISP, I'll start mirroring - but if the general feeling about it is "not nescessary", I'll just drop it. However - if I start mirroring - how do you prefer it being done? rsync? Venlig hilsen / Best regards Tommy Eriksen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 7:51:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (cerberus.tcoip.com.br [200.220.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B2137B407 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcoip.com.br (v0mmcip7ant2wovj@[192.168.60.194]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8BBkVM30539; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:46:31 GMT Message-ID: <3B9E23C5.9080500@tcoip.com.br> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:46:29 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010808 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jason andrade Cc: "Jose M. Alcaide" , hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jason andrade wrote: > > i would say a Tier-2 Official FreeBSD mirror could be defined as: > > o carrying FreeBSD release trees (3 releases including the latest?) > o carrying FreeBSD releases ISOs (3 ?) > o carrying FreeBSD packages > o carrying FreeBSD security (aka CERT) > o carrying FreeBSD docs > o must be up to date with all of the above to within 48 hours ? > > and that would meet the minimum requirements of what 75% of the general > population want - a site to download or install FreeBSD from. It just so happens that the packages distributions is what takes most space. Distfiles may be 12 Gb, but it's only one thing. Packages go at 4, 4.5 Gb and there is a copy for each release, one for each architecture. Alas, there is a good chance that 5.0 will have more than two architectures. > this would not stop Tier-2s from carrying additional content such as > > o FreeBSD distfiles > o FreeBSD branches source tree > o FreeBSD CVSup source tree > o FreeBSD CTM source tree > o FreeBSD misc/development content > o FreeBSD archive releases > o FreeBSD SNAP releases Now, here is the funny thing. Everyone I know uses ports exclusively. Everyone I know uses cvsup to keep up to date. Branches and the cvsup source tree combined number at little more than 4 Gb. Everything else takes little space. So, from where I sit, it is much more important to keep distfiles and cvsup source tree than keeping, say, 4.2-release packages. > Of course there are a number of official FreeBSD mirrors now that can > only carry a partial release tree (only the latest releases or a specific > architecture, usually i386), so we'd have to think about how that could > fit into things as a Tier-2. > > comments ? Honestly, I think people's priority vary too much for what you propose. What I _would_ propose is that Tier-2 mirrors keep everything (CTM, archive, snap and misc excepted), but just the latest release and stable for both platforms. I think this would impose a lesser minimum disk penalty, scale better, and see to most needs. Of course, whatever else a Tier-2 may carry is up to each one. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts. -- Ehrlich To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 7:55: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (cerberus.tcoip.com.br [200.220.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C269C37B406; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcoip.com.br (pnljskt160qvcioz@[192.168.60.194]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8BBr5M30823; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:53:05 GMT Message-ID: <3B9E254F.9020908@tcoip.com.br> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:53:03 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010808 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: pantzer@ludd.luth.se, hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring References: <200109102159.XAA27922@mother.ludd.luth.se> <20010910151817S.jkh@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan Hubbard wrote: > From: Mattias Pantzare > Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:59:52 +0200 > > >>I am sorry but this is simply not true! The tier-n thing has ben discussed, >>but not implemented or agreed to in any formal way. If it is then that fact has not >>reached the mirror maintainers. >> > > Well, I'm honestly not sure how the mirror maintainers could have > missed the discussion in hubs at the time, but you may rest assured > that the maintainers of ftp-master.freebsd.org see things this way and > if you want to make it official, then consider it official. Only full > and complete mirrors should be talking to ftp-master.freebsd.org. The > whole multi-tier mirroring arrangement just can't work any other way. Well, it was most a case of "fine, we'll do it this way", and then no one came forward to do the coordination required. Nobody said "these are the tier-1 mirrors, this is what tier-2 mirrors must carry, I'll keep the list of tier-1 and 2 mirrors and place it at this url" and then go and do all the work. I guess this would be Peter's job, but no one told him that. Me, I saw the discussion, noticed I wouldn't be a tier-1 mirror, and then waited for someone to come up and inform us which the tier-1 mirrors were. -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net In the case of a lady named Frost, Whose cunt's a good two feet acrost, It's the best part of valor To bugger the gal, or You're apt to fall in and get lost. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 7:55:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3092337B401 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 07:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8BEtQb23310; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:55:26 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:55:30 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <3B9E23C5.9080500@tcoip.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > It just so happens that the packages distributions is what takes most > space. Distfiles may be 12 Gb, but it's only one thing. Packages go at > 4, 4.5 Gb and there is a copy for each release, one for each > architecture. Alas, there is a good chance that 5.0 will have more than > two architectures. it was a suggestion - i expected we would refine it.. if a few more people comment, maybe we can come up with something sensible. > So, from where I sit, it is much more important to keep distfiles and > cvsup source tree than keeping, say, 4.2-release packages. > > Honestly, I think people's priority vary too much for what you propose. > What I _would_ propose is that Tier-2 mirrors keep everything (CTM, > archive, snap and misc excepted), but just the latest release and stable > for both platforms. I think this would impose a lesser minimum disk > penalty, scale better, and see to most needs. Of course, whatever else a > Tier-2 may carry is up to each one. well, anyone can carry anything they'd like - i'm just trying to come up with a workable system for `official' mirrors which are at the very least a tier-2. it needs to be looked at from both sides too. at the very least there should be a minimum set of freebsd that is carried IMHO. cheers, -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 8:23: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1065937B407 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:22:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8BFMqc27621; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:22:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 11:22:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200109111522.f8BFMqc27621@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010911105802.A323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <200109102245.AAA00160@mother.ludd.luth.se> <20010911094153.C56165@skriver.dk> <20010911105802.A323@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > BTW, port distfiles represent a significative percentage of a FreeBSD > mirror's storage needs (near 12GB and growing). Couldn't the distfiles be > moved to a different archive? One interpretation of the GPL says that we must offer the distfiles (of GPL'ed software) for as long as we offer any of the binaries generated therefrom. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 8:25:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (cerberus.tcoip.com.br [200.220.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0A737B40C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcoip.com.br (v9g2q3c6nckeseex@[192.168.60.194]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8BCO1M31701; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:24:01 GMT Message-ID: <3B9E2C8E.7000702@tcoip.com.br> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 12:23:58 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010808 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cejka Rudolf Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring References: <20010420111439.Q5017@casimir.physics.purdue.edu> <20010910093357K.jkh@freebsd.org> <20010910202303.A63504@dcse.fee.vutbr.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cejka Rudolf wrote: > > Jordan Hubbard wrote (2001/09/10): > > > Ok, 12 hours is our new rule like 1 hour update rule for CVS. So I'm > changing my rsync update times to every 6 hours for FreeBSD and every > 2 hours for CERT subtree. Feel free to say "Hey all, no, setup all your > mirrors in a different way". (Note it could not be so strange because > I update CVS subtrees locally (once a day).) Mmmmm. Is this a minimum or a maximum? atm, I run rsync every four hours (less than that for CERT). -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net As he came in his chubby choirboy, Father Burke said, "There's no greater joy! If no sodomy levens And possible heavens, Existence will merely annoy." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 9:44:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EBD137B40C; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8BGiJT56770; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: jesper@freebsd.org Cc: pantzer@ludd.luth.se, hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring In-Reply-To: <20010911094153.C56165@skriver.dk> References: <200109102245.AAA00160@mother.ludd.luth.se> <20010911094153.C56165@skriver.dk> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010911094419N.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:44:19 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 28 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Jesper Skriver Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.4 upcoming release/timetabling/mirroring Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:41:53 +0200 > If we can decide that a tier1 mirror is required to have, say 100 > GB available, then it's up to the release engineer to ensure that > no more than 98 GB is on ftp-master, thus ensuring that the > mirrors won't run out of space. Well, I can only give you a range since there has to be *some* room for variation and the "release engineer" cannot give you any assurances that the size will stay under X because the release engineer only controls a portion of the content on ftp-master.freebsd.org. Some of the largest content there represents various versions of the packages collection and the distfiles, for example, and that content is managed directly by various portmeisters and buildmasters. All I can really tell you is that current demands are around 65GB and should be expected to get no larger than 150GB over the next 12 months since I'd expect us to prune some content as the packages collection grows and subsequent releases are made. If there's any one truism about disk space, however, it's that content grows exponentially to fill it and I expect ftp-master to be no exception. Even with the most aggressive pruning and an attention to removing old stuff, I have to be a pessimist about this and figure that 100GB in the near future is a scenario not at all out of the question. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Tue Sep 11 10:20:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tcoip.com.br (cerberus.tcoip.com.br [200.220.254.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55BF37B408 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 10:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tcoip.com.br (p7emj2cvph28xn26@[192.168.60.194]) by mail.tcoip.com.br (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f8BHGKP03210; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:16:20 -0300 Message-ID: <3B9E46E4.3020908@tcoip.com.br> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:16:20 -0300 From: "Daniel C. Sobral" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010808 X-Accept-Language: en, pt-br, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Daniel C. Sobral" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Servers down References: <3B9D1672.3040302@tcoip.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The server is now on-line again. Daniel C. Sobral wrote: > Not sure if sending this kind of message here is appropriate or not > (feel free to let me me know :), but... > > Due to hardware problems, the server on which we were providing ftp, web > and cvsup mirrors is down. Talk about bad timing. It should remain down > for one or two days, more if spare parts are not available locally. > > The IP address of the server is 200.220.255.66 and it is one of the IPs > assigned to: > > www3.br.freebsd.org > ftp4.br.freebsd.org > cvsup4.br.freebsd.org > -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) Daniel.Sobral@tcoip.com.br dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@notorious.bsdconspiracy.net Put not your trust in money, but put your money in trust. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Sep 12 9:48:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A5237B408 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f8CGmPZ92693; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:48:25 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:48:25 -0300 To: hubs@freebsd.org Cc: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Subject: ftp-master Message-ID: <20010912134825.A92514@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Quote: What are you looking for in my mail headers ? X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-URL: http://www.jonny.eng.br Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Could you please add 146.164.53.65 (roma.coe.ufrj.br, ftp.br.freebsd.org) to ftp-master access list? I thought it was already listed there, but I can get no ftp access. TIA, Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís jonny@jonny.eng.br Networking Engineer jcml@ieee.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Sep 12 14:28:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mrout1.yahoo.com (mrout1.yahoo.com [216.145.54.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB91337B408 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yahoo-inc.com (zoot.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.52.89]) by mrout1.yahoo.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/y.out) with ESMTP id f8CLSEs69126 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:28:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B9FD36E.739596B@yahoo-inc.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:28:14 -0700 From: Doug Barton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: ftp4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Guys, ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/ is inoperative, http://ftp4.freebsd.org/ is a little... weird. FYI. -- Doug Barton, Yahoo! DNS Administration and Development If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough. Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Sep 12 17:11:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5AA37B403 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (lxpx258.lx.ehu.es [158.227.26.158]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8D0BB928873 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:11:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8D0A4V00900 for hubs@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:10:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 02:10:04 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: ports/i386/.message outdated Message-ID: <20010913021004.A876@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/.message needs to be synchronized with the current contents of that directory. Just FYI. Cheers, JMA -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Sep 12 17:25: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 664) id 0F97E37B406; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:25:05 -0700 From: David O'Brien To: Doug Barton Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp4 Message-ID: <20010912172504.A12042@hub.freebsd.org> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3B9FD36E.739596B@yahoo-inc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B9FD36E.739596B@yahoo-inc.com>; from DougB@yahoo-inc.com on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:28:14PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 02:28:14PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > ftp://ftp4.freebsd.org/ is inoperative, http://ftp4.freebsd.org/ is a > little... weird. ftp4 is not allowing anonymous logins. Quite a shame given its proximity net-wise to many in the B.A. This machine has had problems many times over the past of having stale bits. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Wed Sep 12 17:25:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 664) id E3E9B37B407; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:25:42 -0700 From: David O'Brien To: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: ftp.us.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010912172542.B12042@hub.freebsd.org> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since ftp.freebsd.org is not longer in the US, can we please have a ftp.us and ftp2.us, etc aliases? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 0:59:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6CD837B407 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3C78D4B6A6; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:58:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:58:42 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: HEADSUP: 4.4 RC5 - 18 hours away Message-ID: <20010913005842.S9233@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EP0wieDxd4TSJjHq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --EP0wieDxd4TSJjHq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline FreeBSD 4.4 RC5 (x86) will be released this evening (Thursday September 13). The release candidate ISO and net-install bits should be on ftp-master by 6pm PST. There will not be a new package set for this release, so it's important to keep the RC4 packages directory in place as it will be symlinked from 4.4-RC5/packages. Thanks, - Murray --EP0wieDxd4TSJjHq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7oGcxtNcQog5FH30RAoAqAJ9HTsd597x/94rRKubxrEP6F8wBagCeIEOj QlP7eNYTW0N1XOTGZ6kpDe8= =C1YR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EP0wieDxd4TSJjHq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 1:44:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11C3337B40A; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699A57992; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:44:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.24.91]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCB6A10AC1; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:44:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id 2FAA81367C; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:44:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 10:44:13 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: David O'Brien Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010913104413.A68770@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: <20010912172542.B12042@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010912172542.B12042@hub.freebsd.org>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 05:25:42PM -0700 X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, David O'Brien wrote on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 05:25:42PM -0700: > Since ftp.freebsd.org is not longer in the US, can we please have a > ftp.us and ftp2.us, etc aliases? Hmm, by thinking a bit further, it could make sense, to move all US sites under a us.freebsd.org domain, and select the "master" sites without cc-subdomain from within the most capable sites, all over the world ? Hmm I hope this is not considered as heresy. :-} Just a suggestion. Bye, Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Eddie would go! - Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 25735 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 13: 0: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA6337B406; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f8DJnWF06930; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:49:32 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:49:32 -0300 To: Daniel Lang Cc: "David O'Brien" , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010913164932.G6701@roma.coe.ufrj.br> References: <20010912172542.B12042@hub.freebsd.org> <20010913104413.A68770@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010913104413.A68770@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>; from dl@leo.org on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 10:44:13AM +0200 X-Quote: What are you looking for in my mail headers ? X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-URL: http://www.jonny.eng.br Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Somebody told me that Daniel Lang said: > David O'Brien wrote on Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 05:25:42PM -0700: > > Since ftp.freebsd.org is not longer in the US, can we please have a > > ftp.us and ftp2.us, etc aliases? > > Hmm, by thinking a bit further, it could make sense, > to move all US sites under a us.freebsd.org domain, and select > the "master" sites without cc-subdomain from within the > most capable sites, all over the world ? May I also sugest that we create ftp1.XX.freebsd.org, and that ftp.XX.freebsd.org is just a round robin for all country's sites? A very good idea would be to include some kind of proximity detector in sysinstall, and select only a country or the top level. A simple ping RTT measurement would probably suffice. Just my two cents. Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís jonny@jonny.eng.br Networking Engineer jcml@ieee.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 15: 1:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from piglet.dstc.edu.au (piglet.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A639E37B414 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from azure.dstc.edu.au (azure.dstc.edu.au [130.102.176.27]) by piglet.dstc.edu.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8DM13b22307; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:01:03 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 08:01:08 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010913164932.G6701@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > May I also sugest that we create ftp1.XX.freebsd.org, and that > ftp.XX.freebsd.org is just a round robin for all country's sites? this might work for some places, but overall it would not be a good idea - ftp.XX.freebsd.org should always be the `primary' (a tier-1 if possible) for the country (aka ftp1.XX.freebsd.org). if possible the other ftpX.XX.freebsd.org sites should try and (in order of preference) mirror from ftp1, a close tier-1, a close tier-2. in most countries, all the freebsd mirrors are NOT identical and in fact some have very different structures. if you round robin you might find installations/end users have very different paths or content to deal with every time. -jason To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 15:42: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from bigfatpipe.net (silicone.bigfatpipe.net [128.241.64.110]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8695F37B40F for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cra (helo=localhost) by bigfatpipe.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15hfCv-000M1l-00; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:43:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 15:43:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net]" To: jason andrade Cc: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis , Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > this might work for some places, but overall it would not be a good > idea - ftp.XX.freebsd.org should always be the `primary' (a tier-1 > if possible) for the country (aka ftp1.XX.freebsd.org). if possible > the other ftpX.XX.freebsd.org sites should try and (in order of preference) > mirror from ftp1, a close tier-1, a close tier-2. > > in most countries, all the freebsd mirrors are NOT identical and in > fact some have very different structures. if you round robin you > might find installations/end users have very different paths or content > to deal with every time. Suggestions: ftp#.freebsd.org Tier-I, Primary sites, etc. These would be CNAME or duplicate A records for a Tier-II name. ftp#.cc.freebsd.org Tier-II Secondary sites, sites not carrying the full distribution and collections, etc. Every site could have this style name, regardless of whether they carried the full content. Benefits: -- Easy ability to distinguish between Tier-I-capability sites and other sites. -- Easier ability to change the pointers for Tier-I sites. Ie: ftp4.us.freebsd.org would still be ftp4.us.freebsd.org, but it'd be easy to retarget the ftp4.freebsd.org record to point to ... ftp.hr.freebsd.org as an example. -- Knowing that the ftp#.freebsd.org will be Tier-I with regular updates, those could be listed in the installer for a round-robin style selection as was suggested earlier. Just my $0.02. -CA -- Christopher R. Allen ------------- cra@bigfatpipe.net -- -- "The art of life lies in constant readjustment to our -- -- surroundings." ----------------------- Okakura Kakuzo -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 16:10:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from roma.coe.ufrj.br (roma.coe.ufrj.br [146.164.53.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F341237B408 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jonny@localhost) by roma.coe.ufrj.br (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f8DNAE310134; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:10:14 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from jonny) From: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:10:14 -0300 To: jason andrade Cc: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis , hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010913201013.A10095@roma.coe.ufrj.br> References: <20010913164932.G6701@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jason@dstc.edu.au on Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 08:01:08AM +1000 X-Quote: What are you looking for in my mail headers ? X-Operating-System: FreeBSD X-URL: http://www.jonny.eng.br Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Somebody told me that jason andrade said: > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > > > May I also sugest that we create ftp1.XX.freebsd.org, and that > > ftp.XX.freebsd.org is just a round robin for all country's sites? > > this might work for some places, but overall it would not be a good > idea - ftp.XX.freebsd.org should always be the `primary' (a tier-1 > if possible) for the country (aka ftp1.XX.freebsd.org). if possible > the other ftpX.XX.freebsd.org sites should try and (in order of preference) > mirror from ftp1, a close tier-1, a close tier-2. > > in most countries, all the freebsd mirrors are NOT identical and in > fact some have very different structures. if you round robin you > might find installations/end users have very different paths or content > to deal with every time. In this case, I would let the country's hostmaster verify the sites and decide which ftp sites are tier 1. The only effective change would be to add ftp1.XX to the sysisntall site list. If the hostmaster decides not to use round robin, just point ftp.XX to ftp1.XX or anyone else. Note that I did not say that every site in the country would be automatically added to ftp.XX.FreeBSD.org. And the definition of "close tier 1" would be easier with the proximity algoritm I described earlier. How many FreeBSD users really know which site is closer to them? How to check this before installing FreeBSD? I know how to, but definitely, most users don't. Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís jonny@jonny.eng.br Networking Engineer jcml@ieee.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 17:32:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from coffee.q9media.com (coffee.q9media.com [216.94.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC9B37B406; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mike@localhost) by coffee.q9media.com (8.11.2/8.11.3) id f8E0aGE29827; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:36:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:36:16 -0400 From: Mike Barcroft To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.org Subject: CVSup mirrors (was Re: Alpha kernel breakage) Message-ID: <20010913203616.C27113@coffee.q9media.com> References: <20010912215531.A27113@coffee.q9media.com> <20010912222146.B60181@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20010913025827.B27113@coffee.q9media.com> <200109131812.f8DICZW66779@vashon.polstra.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109131812.f8DICZW66779@vashon.polstra.com>; from jdp@polstra.com on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 11:12:35AM -0700 Organization: The FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -hubs, BCC'd to -current] John Polstra writes: > In article <20010913025827.B27113@coffee.q9media.com>, > Mike Barcroft wrote: > > It appears this was the problem. Switching to cvsup2.FreeBSD.org > > seems to have have solved it. I assume this is a result of the S1G > > bug in cvsup. FYI: I was using cvsup.ca.FreeBSD.org. > > Not intending to single out you folks in particular, but ... > > Just a reminder, people: Please, if you think something is wrong > with a CVSup mirror, write to the maintainer of that mirror and tell > him. All of the maintainers' e-mail addresses are listed in the > Handbook: > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvsup.html#CVSUP-MIRRORS > > It doesn't do any good to tell the -current list; you have to tell > the maintainer or the problem won't get fixed. I was actually intending to contact the maintainer, but it looks like the problem has already been fixed. Would it be possible for us to be more proactive and check to make sure all the offical CVSup mirrors are running the corrected version? Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 17:36:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A2137B407; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8E0aqg24368; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8E0apZ67759; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109140036.f8E0apZ67759@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: mike@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup mirrors (was Re: Alpha kernel breakage) In-Reply-To: <20010913203616.C27113@coffee.q9media.com> References: <20010912215531.A27113@coffee.q9media.com> <20010913025827.B27113@coffee.q9media.com> <200109131812.f8DICZW66779@vashon.polstra.com> <20010913203616.C27113@coffee.q9media.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010913203616.C27113@coffee.q9media.com>, Mike Barcroft wrote: > Would it be possible for us to be more proactive and check to > make sure all the offical CVSup mirrors are running the corrected > version? I believe that Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven has already e-mailed all of the maintainers of the laggard sites. BTW, the easy way to check a server's version is with "telnet the.server.example.com 5999". The greeting message contains the version string. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Thu Sep 13 23:22:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from ams2eusosrv15.ams.ops.eu.uu.net (ams2eusosrv15.ams.ops.eu.uu.net [146.188.99.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06337B401; Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:22:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net by ams2eusosrv15.ams.ops.eu.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net [146.188.99.137]) id QQlgkf27795; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:22:08 GMT Received: from localhost by asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mvisser@localhost) id QQlgkf06588; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:22:08 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:22:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Visser X-Sender: mvisser@asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, mike@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CVSup mirrors (was Re: Alpha kernel breakage) In-Reply-To: <200109140036.f8E0apZ67759@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > In article <20010913203616.C27113@coffee.q9media.com>, Mike Barcroft > wrote: > > > Would it be possible for us to be more proactive and check to > > make sure all the offical CVSup mirrors are running the corrected > > version? > > I believe that Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven has already e-mailed > all of the maintainers of the laggard sites. > > BTW, the easy way to check a server's version is with "telnet > the.server.example.com 5999". The greeting message contains the > version string. cvsup2.nl.freebsd.org hasn't been updated yet, since i've got no cvsupd working yet under Solaris (where cvsup runs at now). Self compiling with binary m3build didn't produce a working binary. I've turned off updates the day it got mailed that we have the bug, but due to time constraints here i've not been able to fully fix it further (; If someone has working SunOS stuff, please mail John and have it put on the webpage. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 1:51:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F089537B40B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8E8pb905791; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:51:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8E8gkh30868; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:42:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 10:42:46 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: Joao Carlos Mendes Luis Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010914104246.B30476@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <20010913164932.G6701@roma.coe.ufrj.br> <20010913201013.A10095@roma.coe.ufrj.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010913201013.A10095@roma.coe.ufrj.br>; from jonny@jonny.eng.br on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:10:14PM -0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RC Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 08:10:14PM -0300, Joao Carlos Mendes Luis wrote: > And the definition of "close tier 1" would be easier with the > proximity algoritm I described earlier. How many FreeBSD users really > know which site is closer to them? How to check this before > installing FreeBSD? I know how to, but definitely, most users don't. The concept of "closer" on the Internet is not clear. For example, I am running a tier-2 mirror in Spain (ftp3.es.freebsd.org) and, since it resides in an University (Universities are well connected to the TEN-155 European research network) I am using a tier-1 mirror located in another University in Germany (ftp4.de.freebsd.org) as the source. I have *much* better connectivity with ftp4.de than with ftp.es or ftp2.es. Moreover, users from other Spanish Universities and research centers should use ftp3.es as the "closer" mirror for the same reasons. BTW, I want to thank to Daniel Lang (ftp4.de's maintainer) for permitting me to use that server as mirror source, and my apologies for the bandwidth abuse :-) JMA -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 6:50:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.254.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A534E37B403 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 06:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.0.81]) by mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4AD7A8E; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:50:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: from atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de [131.159.24.91]) by tuminfo2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B9710AC1; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:50:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: by atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Postfix, from userid 20455) id 64DF21367C; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:50:09 +0200 From: Daniel Lang To: "Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net]" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ftp.us.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010914155009.B71206@atrbg11.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cra@bigfatpipe.net on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:43:41PM -0700 X-Geek: GCS/CC d-- s: a- C++$ UBS++++$ P+++$ L- E-(---) W+++(--) N++ o K w--- O? M? V? PS+(++) PE--(+) Y+ PGP+ t++ 5+++ X R+(-) tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G++ e+++ h---(-) r++>+++ y+ Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Christopher Allen [BigFatPipe.Net] wrote on Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 03:43:41PM -0700: [..] > ftp#.cc.freebsd.org Tier-II Secondary sites, sites not carrying the > full distribution and collections, etc. Every > site could have this style name, regardless of > whether they carried the full content. There is major drawback. Aware people will use a 'cc'-servername to choose to install from, as to benefit from probable proximity. So to relax the requirement of 'cc' to be not tier-1 at all, could be problem. There should at least be some 'cc' server that are tier-1, too. (One could suggest maybe ftp.cc, ftp1.cc and ftp2.cc, more if available). Something like that. Daniel -- IRCnet: Mr-Spock - Der Schatten von Hasenfuss ist ziemlich dunkel - *Daniel Lang * dl@leo.org * +49 89 289 25735 * http://www.leo.org/~dl/* To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 7:46:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1347337B408 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8EEkEg28640; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8EEkD569098; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109141446.f8EEkD569098@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: mark@nl.uu.net Subject: Re: CVSup mirrors (was Re: Alpha kernel breakage) In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article , Mark Visser wrote: > cvsup2.nl.freebsd.org hasn't been updated yet, since i've got no cvsupd > working yet under Solaris (where cvsup runs at now). I put binaries for Solaris onto the s1g web page yesterday evening. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 12: 6:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C71C37B408; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8EJ6em70558; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f8EJ6xf01337; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:06:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:06:56 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: hubs@FreeBSD.org Cc: jdp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Randomizing access to CVSup mirrors shows inconsistency Message-ID: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I recently changed my setup to not hardcode a single CVSup mirror, but instead define a group of mirrors and randomize the access. The egocentic intend here is to be resistent to mirror failures, but I can't deny that it helps distribute the load on the mirrors as a nice side effect :-) Unfortunately, it doesn't work without glitches. The biggest and most annoying glitch is that I see my complete repository touched by SetAttrs. Not always, but depending on the random order in which I use the mirrors. I noticed it when I used cvsup7.FreeBSD.org after using cvsup3.FreeBSD.org. Using cvsup13.FreeBSD.org after cvsup7.FreeBSD.org exhibits another problem. I see under CVSROOT that commits have been made, but the collections aren't updated. After aborting cvsup13, I restarted the script and got cvsup14. This touched my complete repository again. Ok, now the questions: 1. Is it actually valid to randomize access to mirrors? 2. Can it be something in my configuration (attached)? 3. If it has something to do with the version of cvsupd, is it possible to automaticly regulate access to mirrors based on version information? (a simple abort or proceed will do just fine) Below the randomization script for your amusement and my CVSup config. Thanks, PS: Please keep me CC'd, I'm not subscribed. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=lcvsup #!/bin/csh # # environment variables: # CVSUP_DOMAIN The domain to select the servers from. # CVSUP_MIRRORS The number of servers in the domain. # set logfile=/var/tmp/lcvsup.log set cvsup=/usr/local/bin/cvsup if (! $?CVSUP_DOMAIN) then echo error: CVSUP_DOMAIN undefined. exit 1 endif if (! $?CVSUP_MIRRORS) then echo error: CVSUP_MIRRORS undefined. exit 1 endif set mirrors=${CVSUP_MIRRORS} set mirror_list=`jot ${mirrors}` rm $logfile; touch $logfile while ($mirrors) set mirror=`jot -r 1 1 $mirrors` set host=cvsup$mirror_list[$mirror].$CVSUP_DOMAIN if ({ $cvsup -1 -g -h $host /etc/cvsup.freebsd >>& $logfile }) then exit 0 endif set mirror_list[$mirror]=$mirror_list[$mirrors] @ mirrors-- end cat $logfile | mail -s "`hostname`: lcvsup failed" marcel exit 0 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cvsup.freebsd" *default host=cvsup11.freebsd.org *default base=/usr/local *default prefix=/home/ncvs *default release=cvs *default compress delete umask=2 use-rel-suffix src-all doc-all ports-all --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 12:11:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04B6E37B40C for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8EJB8k98075; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:11:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200109141911.f8EJB8k98075@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Randomizing access to CVSup mirrors shows inconsistency In-Reply-To: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > 1. Is it actually valid to randomize access to mirrors? No. There is (by intention) no synchronization between the mirrors' own updates from the master, so it is possible that two consecutive updates from different servers will actually retrograde your repository. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 12:29: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F5637B410 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8EJSwg30017; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id f8EJSv169439; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200109141928.f8EJSv169439@vashon.polstra.com> To: hubs@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Cc: marcel@xcllnt.net Subject: Re: Randomizing access to CVSup mirrors shows inconsistency In-Reply-To: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In article <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net>, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > I recently changed my setup to not hardcode a single CVSup mirror, > but instead define a group of mirrors and randomize the access. > The egocentic intend here is to be resistent to mirror failures, > but I can't deny that it helps distribute the load on the mirrors > as a nice side effect :-) > > Unfortunately, it doesn't work without glitches. The biggest and > most annoying glitch is that I see my complete repository touched > by SetAttrs. Not always, but depending on the random order in > which I use the mirrors. I noticed it when I used cvsup7.FreeBSD.org > after using cvsup3.FreeBSD.org. > Using cvsup13.FreeBSD.org after cvsup7.FreeBSD.org exhibits another > problem. I see under CVSROOT that commits have been made, but the > collections aren't updated. After aborting cvsup13, I restarted > the script and got cvsup14. This touched my complete repository > again. If you are getting a bunch of SetAttrs then something is wrong. I pull my updates from many random mirrors and I never see this problem. It could be that one or more of the mirrors is still running a server with the s1g bug. See http://people.freebsd.org/~jdp/s1g/ for instructions on how to find out which version a mirror is running. If you yourself have not upgraded your CVSup client, you would also see this problem. These SetAttrs could also be caused by use of an inconsistent umask setting when your script runs, or by cron jobs you have forgotten about. All of the possibilities are discussed in the CVSup FAQ at http://www.polstra.com/projects/freeware/CVSup/ > Ok, now the questions: > 1. Is it actually valid to randomize access to mirrors? Yes, as long as you realize that moving quickly from one mirror to another may actually regress your files, because the mirrors are not perfectly in sync with each other. > 2. Can it be something in my configuration (attached)? Could be. See the URLs above. > 3. If it has something to do with the version of cvsupd, > is it possible to automaticly regulate access to > mirrors based on version information? (a simple > abort or proceed will do just fine) It shouldn't be caused by the server version, except for the s1g bug. Most of the mirrors are upgraded now. If you find any that aren't, please write to their maintainers and ask them to upgrade or shut down the service. Maintainers are listed in the handbook along with the list of mirrors. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 12:29:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EB3237B403 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f8EJTlm70607; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:29:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.3) id f8EJU5a01457; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:30:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:30:04 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Garrett Wollman Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Randomizing access to CVSup mirrors shows inconsistency Message-ID: <20010914123003.C1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <200109141911.f8EJB8k98075@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200109141911.f8EJB8k98075@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 03:11:08PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < said: > > > 1. Is it actually valid to randomize access to mirrors? > > No. There is (by intention) no synchronization between the mirrors' > own updates from the master, so it is possible that two consecutive > updates from different servers will actually retrograde your > repository. I was afraid of that. I assume there's no option in the CVSup protocol that handles randomization by preventing the client from retrograding. I don't mind picking up a server that hasn't yet sync'd up to where I already happen to be, provided it can be made a no-op. I know I will sync up the next hour, so all I've lost is an hour. In more than 90% of the cases this isn't even a loss. An alternative is to set my interval to more than an hour (say 2 hours) so that I've guaranteed that all mirrors had a change to sync-up and are at least equal to me or ahead of me. This depends on the greatest interval used by the servers in the domain I picked. Can I assume that all mirrors sync once every hour? -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 12:47:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BC837B419 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 12:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8EJl9H98292; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:47:09 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:47:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200109141947.f8EJl9H98292@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Randomizing access to CVSup mirrors shows inconsistency In-Reply-To: <20010914123003.C1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010914120655.A1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <200109141911.f8EJB8k98075@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010914123003.C1150@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < said: > Can I assume that all mirrors sync once every hour? That is the recommended interval, and it's the one used by the cvsup-mirror port. -GAWollman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hubs Fri Sep 14 14:42:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from ams2eusosrv15.ams.ops.eu.uu.net (ams2eusosrv15.ams.ops.eu.uu.net [146.188.99.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E6537B40F for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 14:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net by ams2eusosrv15.ams.ops.eu.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net [146.188.99.137]) id QQlgmo06211; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:42:33 GMT Received: from localhost by asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: mvisser@localhost) id QQlgmo21979; Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:42:33 GMT Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:42:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Mark Visser X-Sender: mvisser@asoserve0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net To: John Polstra Cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup mirrors (was Re: Alpha kernel breakage) In-Reply-To: <200109141446.f8EEkD569098@vashon.polstra.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 14 Sep 2001, John Polstra wrote: > In article , > Mark Visser wrote: > > cvsup2.nl.freebsd.org hasn't been updated yet, since i've got no cvsupd > > working yet under Solaris (where cvsup runs at now). > > I put binaries for Solaris onto the s1g web page yesterday evening. cvsup2.nl.freebsd.org is running with new binaries now, and everything has updated. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hubs" in the body of the message