From owner-freebsd-ia64 Fri Sep 21 8:33:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from sherline.net (216-203-226-2.customer.algx.net [216.203.226.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D336537B40A for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 61245 invoked from network); 21 Sep 2001 15:33:33 -0000 Received: from server.sherline.net (HELO server) (216.203.226.3) by sherline.net with SMTP; 21 Sep 2001 15:33:33 -0000 Message-ID: <00a201c142b2$c5658060$03e2cbd8@server> From: "Jeremiah Gowdy" To: Subject: Need FreeBSD IA-64 status Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:33:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm doing a presentation at the ToorCon Security Expo very soon here on x86-64 and IA-64. I need to know the status of the two ports, and any additional information on your experiences with the GCC ports. Any and all information you could provide on anything related to these two architectures, would be greatly appreciated. I tried collecting this information about two months ago, but then I realized how much would, and did, change in that time. I know the FreeBSD port is not anywhere near done, but I would like to know where it is, if anywhere. I'm also trying to draw some conclusions about how branch registers would affect stack overflow attacks, since the return IP wouldn't be on the stack. If you have any ideas about this, once again, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks. ___________________________________________ Jeremiah Gowdy IT Manager - Senior Network Administrator Sherline Products Inc 3235 Executive Ridge Vista CA 92083-8527 IT Dept: 760-727-9492 Sales: 1-800-541-0735 International: (760) 727-5857 Fax: (760) 727-7857 ___________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Fri Sep 21 9:10:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from iraun2.uka.de (iraun2.uka.de [129.13.10.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1D137B419 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 09:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from i30nb2.ira.uka.de ([129.13.30.52]) by iraun2.uka.de with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #7 (Debian)) id 15kSsY-0005uP-00 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:10:14 +0200 Received: (from esk@localhost) by i30nb2.ira.uka.de (8.11.5/8.11.3) id f8LG9nO65005; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:09:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from esk) From: Espen Skoglund MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15275.26188.313102.995219@i30nb2.ira.uka.de> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:09:48 +0200 To: freebsd-ia64 Subject: Re: Need FreeBSD IA-64 status In-Reply-To: <00a201c142b2$c5658060$03e2cbd8@server> References: <00a201c142b2$c5658060$03e2cbd8@server> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Jeremiah Gowdy] > I'm doing a presentation at the ToorCon Security Expo very soon here > on x86-64 and IA-64. I need to know the status of the two ports, > and any additional information on your experiences with the GCC > ports. BTW, what kind of binutils do people use for IA-64? I recently compiled a 2.11.2 version with target ia64-elf and everything built fine. The code which was generated by `as', however, was completely messed up. Returning back to using an *ancient* version with an ia64-unknown-linux target worked ok (except that it couldn't be used together with gcc 3.0.1). eSk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Fri Sep 21 12: 0:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F76437B407 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx ([147.11.46.201]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA12165; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <00a201c142b2$c5658060$03e2cbd8@server> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Jeremiah Gowdy Subject: RE: Need FreeBSD IA-64 status Cc: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Sep-01 Jeremiah Gowdy wrote: > I'm doing a presentation at the ToorCon Security Expo very soon here on > x86-64 and IA-64. I need to know the status of the two ports, and any > additional information on your experiences with the GCC ports. Any and all > information you could provide on anything related to these two > architectures, would be greatly appreciated. I tried collecting this > information about two months ago, but then I realized how much would, and > did, change in that time. I know the FreeBSD port is not anywhere near > done, but I would like to know where it is, if anywhere. The x86-64 port isn't very far along, though FreeBSD/i386 should run on the hardware, it just won't take full advantage of it. I've heard a rumor that we can now load a very simple kernel and that can do very simple I/O over the serial console on IA-64 hardware, which hopefully means we are close to single user on IA64 hardware. However, you will want to get confirmation on that.. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Fri Sep 21 21:44: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mail2out.giga.net.tw (mail2out.giga.net.tw [203.133.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C2E37B41B for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from index (u24-164.u203-203.giga.net.tw [203.203.24.164]) by mail2out.giga.net.tw (Postfix) with SMTP id 25269146A3 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:43:49 +0800 (CST) To: From: gd168@24k.com.tw Subject: 環保雷射碳粉匣專題研究報告 Date: 星期六, 22 九月 2001 12:41:54 +0800 Message-Id: <37156.529097685184000.72434@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 受文者：呈　國立台灣大學暨所屬行政學術研究單位／ 　　　　　　全國各級機關團體／公司行號／公會或個人　請鑒核！ 發文者：企龍辦公用品有限公司　電話：(02)2701-2000 主　旨：使用〔環保雷射碳粉匣〕之優點及採購要點。 說　明：環保雷射碳粉匣之專題研究報告 （一）前言 　　　　　近年來，由於各項相關技術成熟，配合半導體產業篷勃發展 　　　使得雷射印表機價格大幅下滑，各廠商無不壓低價格，以擴大市 　　　場佔有率，再以後續的耗材賺回其利潤，您花在碳粉匣的費用， 　　　長期而言實在是一筆可觀的支出。 　　　　　　　　〔使用環保雷射碳粉匣之三大理由〕 　　　　 (1)技術上已突破：有鑑於碳粉匣和墨水匣需求量不斷成長， 　　　國人五年前開始著手，針對雷射印表機電子寫真技術及碳粉感光 　　　體，進行相關研發工作，研發小組成員皆為博碩士學歷，研發小 　　　組成員針對各大廠牌機器精密結構，已有深度了解，掌握許多相 　　　關技術，對碳粉匣的材料及製程參數有若干改進，以適應台灣亞 　　　熱帶高溫潮濕的氣候環境，經嚴格品管控制，國人所生產的環保 　　　雷射碳粉匣，列印品質和原廠同樣清晰，且不會傷害機器。 　　　　 (2)為環保盡心力：碳粉匣造成對環境的污染與日俱增，人類 　　　應反省覺悟，我們只有一個地球，為全人類及後代子孫，保留一 　　　個乾淨的生存環境，已到刻不容緩的地步！讓我們從校園做起， 　　　一起來回收並使用環保雷射碳粉匣。 　　　　 (3)節省列印費用：根據工商時報 90年4月12日報導指出，用 　　　環保雷射碳粉匣可節省４成左右的費用，不必多花錢。 （二）全球趨勢分析 　　　　　1999年碳粉卡匣再生回收使用比較： 　　　歐美市場再生回收卡匣使用率 ３０％ (約1/3) 　　　台灣市場再生回收卡匣使用率 　５％ 　　　(資料來源：Recharger期刊) 　　　　　台灣約有50萬台雷射印表機，預估每年使用約100∼200萬支 　　　雷射碳粉匣，製造出約2000∼2500公噸固體廢棄物，並且每年這 　　　個數目正在成長。而這些塑膠廢棄物須要超過十個世紀來分解， 　　　對台灣三萬六千平方公里的土地上，造成嚴重的負荷。 　　　　　歐美各國相關環保法令強制規定製造廠商的回收比率，已行 　　　之多年，對於回收業者也有對應的輔助政策，並不斷的教育使用 　　　者回收、減量再利用(Recycle, Reduce, Reuse)的觀念。 　　　　　事實證明，此舉不僅有助於環保且能降低支出，美國已明令 　　　聯邦政府的各單位必須使用環保碳粉匣。 （三）對環境保護及資源回收再利用，具有正面意義 　　　　　　如果製造每個卡匣需要超過三夸脫油，那麼台灣每年就會 　　　用掉近100 萬加崙的石油。如果您換買環保碳粉匣，很明確地， 　　　您已經對保護環境做出貢獻了，因為我們的圾圾場可以減少一個 　　　空間來存放您的卡匣。 　　　　　以台灣目前使用量愈來愈多的雷射印表機而言，每天丟棄的 　　　碳粉匣不知多少，而這些碳粉匣裡的碳粉色劑微粒，尺寸約6-12 　　　微米，卻會滲入地下水，污染水源，若想從水中除去這些碳粉微 　　　粒，就必須加裝特殊濾水設備，因此無論公司企業或學校及個人 　　　都有責任一起來防止碳粉匣污染環境的工作，碳粉匣的回收再利 　　　用，是目前的唯一途徑。 （四）環保碳粉匣之採購要點 　　　　　由於市售環保碳粉匣，供應商過多，各家的品質參差不齊， 　　　敬請認明企龍代理的環保碳粉匣，為目前台灣唯一專業導向之環 　　　保雷射碳粉匣，品質滿意保證，不滿包退，確保消費權益，避免 　　　買到劣質品，選擇企龍，品質有保障！ 　　　採購前務必詢問下列重要參考依據： 　　　1.環保雷射碳粉匣，是否完全以標準製程製造？　製程中，廢碳 　　　　粉槽及相關零件是否清理乾淨並檢試元件性能？ 　　　2.儲粉槽是否完全清潔乾淨後，才重新裝填全新碳粉？ 　　　3.所充填之碳粉，是否為國際間知名碳粉廠出品？ 　　　4.所有儲粉槽，是否以封條密封，完整交付使用人？ 　　　5.碳粉匣是否通過完整而嚴格品管測試後才出廠？ 　　　6.測試用之碳粉是否為外加？　所充填的碳粉數量和原廠碳粉匣 　　　　容量是否相同，會不會短少？ 　　　7.充填之碳粉是否經過精密測試，確認比標準值高才裝填？ 　　　8.所更換之感光鼓是否為國際間知名之高科技廠牌產品？ 　　　9.碳粉匣成品是否以黑色塑膠紙實施避光包裝後，並以氣泡袋或 　　　　特殊襯墊保護，再裝入保護槽，以確保運輸途中乃至使用前， 　　　　不受任何光線其他物理性，化學性傷害？ 　　　　企龍代理的環保雷射碳粉匣業已全數通過上述測試，全面實施 　　　　品質滿意保證再訂購，不滿意保證退貨！ （五）價格資訊：環保雷射碳粉匣之價格已公布於網站，歡迎上網查詢 　　　　　　　　網址：http://clik.to/96969180 （六）聯絡資訊：以上資料由企龍辦公用品有限公司所提供，如需訂購 　　　　　　　　請電：(02)2701-2000我們熱誠的同仁為您服務。 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message