From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 9:47: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f252.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE11C37B719; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:46:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jefffbsd@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 09:46:59 -0800 Received: from 161.184.39.167 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:46:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.39.167] From: "Jeffrey Sewell" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Jailed Apache/Bind/sshd Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:46:57 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2001 17:46:59.0066 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E58FDA0:01C0AFD3] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For each IP do you need a separate Jail and daemon running? Or can you have one jail on lets say ip; 204.31.19.1 and bind the rest '204.31.19.2..thru 254' with the one Jail? Thank-You, Jeff _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 14:35: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from server.soekris.com (dnai-216-15-61-44.cust.dnai.com [216.15.61.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A5937B71A for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:34:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Received: from soekris.com ([192.168.1.4]) by server.soekris.com (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA06240 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:35:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from soren@soekris.com) Message-ID: <3AB5380F.C5A7D65D@soekris.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 14:34:55 -0800 From: Soren Kristensen Organization: Soekris Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RFC: Very high density servers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Everybody, This might be a little off tropic, but let me ask anyway: I'm working on designing a very high density server appliance, and would really love some input from some potential users and sources of authority. Current design specs: Single 500-700 Mhz PIII/Celeron mobile processor Up to 1 Gbyte ECC SDRAM 2 Ethernet ports CompactFlash for booting Up to 2 x 2.5" IDE drives, currently max 30 Gbyte/drive No CD-ROM, no floppy, no video Headless operation using serial port 4 servers per 1U rack, 12" deep Hotplug of individual servers 15-20W power per server Optional -48V power supply Optional redundant power supply in 2U and larger chassis Optional built dual ethernet switch with gigabit uplink Low cost Is that something you would consider using ? Anything you would like to add ? Will disk performance be a limiting factor ? Will CPU performance be a limiting factor ? Does anybody use fancy management, like IPMI ? Thanks, Soren Kristensen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 19: 8:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dqc.org (106.76.44.208.in-addr.arpa [208.44.76.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B53437B719 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:08:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pyr@dqc.org) Received: by dqc.org (Postfix, from userid 1110) id 2829BBBA2; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:08:15 -0800 (PST) From: Karim Halai To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: multiple ppp connections. User-Agent: Emerald Emacs/20.2.1 (i386-openbsd2.8) Message-Id: <20010319030815.2829BBBA2@dqc.org> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:08:15 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have to setup a machine with availability in mind. Will have 2-5 ppp connections to different ISP's while only one default route will be active. How can I detect a break in the current line and magically switch my default route to the other ppp device thats alive. Is this possible? Thanks in advance for you help. PS cc to me, I'm not subscribed to this list. -- Karim Halai pyr@dqc.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 19:28:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from proxy.outblaze.com (proxy.outblaze.com [202.77.223.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5013E37B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 19:28:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from yusufg@outblaze.com) Received: (qmail 75222 invoked from network); 19 Mar 2001 03:28:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yusufg.portal2.com) (202.77.181.217) by proxy.outblaze.com with SMTP; 19 Mar 2001 03:28:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 4543 invoked by uid 500); 19 Mar 2001 03:31:06 -0000 Date: 19 Mar 2001 03:31:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20010319033106.4542.qmail@yusufg.portal2.com> From: Yusuf Goolamabbas To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Multiple PPP connections and switching dynamically between them Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, A friend of mine asked me if the following was possible A FreeBSD box has multiple analog modems [56K], each of these modems is dialed-up to a different ISP. The BSD box also acts as a gateway to a LAN of Windoze boxen. For redundancy purposes, my friend would like the gateway to switch to a different ISP automatically should anyone analog link break down [poor man's multi-homing/BGP ?] Is this possible, any recipes or war stories from people who have done this. If there is a hardware appliance which one buys and can do this stuff. Pointers to that would also be appreciated Regards, Yusuf -- Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg@outblaze.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 21:50:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.csocs.com (csocs.com [63.175.234.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBB237B719 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 21:50:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@csocs.com) Received: from csocs.com (wolfman@Bdialup79.chyn.uswest.net [209.181.14.238]) by shell.csocs.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2J5laX18043 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:47:36 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from admin@csocs.com) Message-ID: <3AB59DE3.801B23C9@csocs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:49:24 -0700 From: J & C Frazier Organization: CSOCS Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Bandwidth limits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a few individuals who are running games servers from their shell accounts. I don't have a problem with it really, but I would like to establish a bandwidth limit on 2 IP's specifically to prevent possible problems later on once their hosts become more well known. Right now I have the following firewall config set up: ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any in ipfw add 200 pipe 2 ip from any to any out ipfw pipe 1 config mask dst-ip 0xffffffff ipfw pipe 2 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff Basically all I have set up is a basic dummynet to monitor bandwidth usage via cron scripts. I have tried to add other rules to limit the bandwidth on my customers as shown below: ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any in ipfw add 200 pipe 2 ip from any to any out ipfw pipe 1 config mask dst-ip 0xffffffff bw 256Kbytes/s queue 10Kbytes ipfw pipe 2 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff bw 256Kbytes/s queue 10Kbytes But that effects all IP's on the system and causes a major slowdown. I'm not extremely familiar with ipfw and what all I can do with it yet other then what I've read on the man pages. I'm hoping some of you experts that deal with this type of thing all the time might be able to enlighten me or give me a few ideas. Thanks. J.C. Frazier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 22: 7:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-63-205-16-205.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [63.205.16.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BFD37B71A; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:07:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2J675363560; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:07:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) From: Edwin Culp Received: from 63.205.16.202 ( [63.205.16.202]) as user eculp@EnContacto.Net by Mail.InternetSalon.Org with HTTP; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:07:04 -0800 Message-ID: <984982024.3ab5a208925e9@Mail.InternetSalon.Org> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:07:04 -0800 To: Yusuf Goolamabbas Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, Karim Halai Subject: Re: Multiple PPP connections and switching dynamically between them References: <20010319033106.4542.qmail@yusufg.portal2.com> In-Reply-To: <20010319033106.4542.qmail@yusufg.portal2.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 63.205.16.202 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A very simple example would be to use the output of ifconfig ppp[0-3] or tun{0-3] and seperate the assigned gateway from the assigned ip and write a simple script using the results of fping or ping -c1 and sleeping the time interval that you want. You might want to set squid (/usr/ports/www/squid23 or 24 up as a proxy to take advantage of the unused connections and bandwidth to fetch web pages, ftp, etc for your internal network. Provecho, ed Quoting Yusuf Goolamabbas : > Hi, A friend of mine asked me if the following was possible > > A FreeBSD box has multiple analog modems [56K], each of these modems > is dialed-up to a different ISP. The BSD box also acts as a gateway to > a LAN of Windoze boxen. > > For redundancy purposes, my friend would like the gateway to switch to > a different ISP automatically should anyone analog link break down > [poor man's multi-homing/BGP ?] > > Is this possible, any recipes or war stories from people who have done > this. If there is a hardware appliance which one buys and can do this > stuff. Pointers to that would also be appreciated > > Regards, Yusuf > > -- > Yusuf Goolamabbas > yusufg@outblaze.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Mar 18 22:26:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from shell.csocs.com (csocs.com [63.175.234.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6268337B718 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 22:26:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@csocs.com) Received: from csocs.com (wolfman@Bdialup79.chyn.uswest.net [209.181.14.238]) by shell.csocs.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2J6NJX18224 for ; Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:23:20 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from admin@csocs.com) Message-ID: <3AB5A643.1D6D1AEA@csocs.com> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:25:07 -0700 From: J & C Frazier Organization: CSOCS Internet Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bandwidth limits References: <3AB59DE3.801B23C9@csocs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also, as a side question: Is there any performance increase/decrease or noticable ping differences in using a queue? What is generally the correlation between the bandwidth limit and the queue size? Just curious. Thanks again. J & C Frazier wrote: > I have a few individuals who are running games servers from their > shell accounts. I don't have a problem with it really, but I would like > > to establish a bandwidth limit on 2 IP's specifically to prevent > possible > problems later on once their hosts become more well known. Right > now I have the following firewall config set up: > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any in > ipfw add 200 pipe 2 ip from any to any out > ipfw pipe 1 config mask dst-ip 0xffffffff > ipfw pipe 2 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff > > Basically all I have set up is a basic dummynet to monitor bandwidth > usage via cron scripts. I have tried to add other rules to limit the > bandwidth on my customers as shown below: > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any in > ipfw add 200 pipe 2 ip from any to any out > ipfw pipe 1 config mask dst-ip 0xffffffff bw 256Kbytes/s queue 10Kbytes > ipfw pipe 2 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff bw 256Kbytes/s queue 10Kbytes > > But that effects all IP's on the system and causes a major slowdown. > I'm not extremely familiar with ipfw and what all I can do with it yet > other then what I've read on the man pages. I'm hoping some of you > experts that deal with this type of thing all the time might be able to > enlighten me or give me a few ideas. Thanks. > > J.C. Frazier > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 19 4:50:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from news.lucky.net (news.lucky.net [193.193.193.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD08837B71A for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:50:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from news@news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: (from mail@localhost) by news.lucky.net (8.Who.Cares/8.Who.Cares) id OTI08947 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:50:12 +0200 (envelope-from news@news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) From: "Andrey Simonenko" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bandwidth limits Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:31:37 +0300 Organization: NTUU "KPI" Message-ID: <994ued$lnm$1@igloo.uran.net.ua> References: <3AB59DE3.801B23C9@csocs.com> X-Trace: igloo.uran.net.ua 985005325 22262 10.18.54.109 (19 Mar 2001 12:35:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As I know you should specify IPFW pipes defore their usage. J & C Frazier wrote in message news:3AB59DE3.801B23C9@csocs.com... > I have a few individuals who are running games servers from their > shell accounts. I don't have a problem with it really, but I would like > > to establish a bandwidth limit on 2 IP's specifically to prevent > possible > problems later on once their hosts become more well known. Right > now I have the following firewall config set up: > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any in > ipfw add 200 pipe 2 ip from any to any out > ipfw pipe 1 config mask dst-ip 0xffffffff > ipfw pipe 2 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff > > Basically all I have set up is a basic dummynet to monitor bandwidth > usage via cron scripts. I have tried to add other rules to limit the > bandwidth on my customers as shown below: > > ipfw add 100 pipe 1 ip from any to any in > ipfw add 200 pipe 2 ip from any to any out > ipfw pipe 1 config mask dst-ip 0xffffffff bw 256Kbytes/s queue 10Kbytes > ipfw pipe 2 config mask src-ip 0xffffffff bw 256Kbytes/s queue 10Kbytes > > But that effects all IP's on the system and causes a major slowdown. > I'm not extremely familiar with ipfw and what all I can do with it yet > other then what I've read on the man pages. I'm hoping some of you > experts that deal with this type of thing all the time might be able to > enlighten me or give me a few ideas. Thanks. > > J.C. Frazier > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 19 13: 1: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.amigo.net (smtp1.amigo.net [209.94.64.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDFE37B726 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:01:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Received: from amigo.net (billing.amigo.net [209.94.67.250]) by smtp1.amigo.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2JL2eM03350 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:02:41 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from randys@amigo.net) Message-ID: <3AB6739E.8090209@amigo.net> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:01:18 -0700 From: Randy Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386; en-US; 0.8) Gecko/20010314 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: FrontPage 2000 Extentions, Apache 1.3.19 and FreeBSD 4.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I am considering install FrontPage 2000 Extentions on my web server running Apache 1.3.19 and FreeBSD 4.2. I am wondering what experiences you all have had (if any) with FPX and Apache and if the security concerns that surrounded previous versions of FPX have been answered. -- Randy Smith Amigo.Net Systems Administrator 719-589-6100 ext. 4185 http://www.amigo.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 19 18:27:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web1.nidhog.com (web1.nidhog.com [192.204.160.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5042A37B735 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:27:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chosey@web1.nidhog.com) Received: from localhost (chosey@localhost) by web1.nidhog.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2K2S4245347 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:28:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chosey@web1.nidhog.com) X-Authentication-Warning: web1.nidhog.com: chosey owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:28:04 -0500 (EST) From: Chet Hosey To: Subject: Sendmail+STARTTLS Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone successfully used sendmail with TLS? I'm being denied by an Exchange server, since sendmail will automatically try to use TLS if the server offers it, even if sendmail has not been given certificates, etc. Is it possible, without a recompile, to prevent sendmail from using STARTTLS when acting as a client? Incidentally, I'm a recently converted long-time Linux admin. While I am generally impressed with the quality of FreeBSD vs. the hackish Linux environment, I am disappointed that a feature which, when misconfigured, could severely limit interoperability would be enabled by default and yet remain so poorly documented. That this might be the case is one of the few things that darkens my view of an otherwise impressive OS. Is there a place to which one wanting to stay in the know might look for help? I dislike the thought of interrupted service, especially if I might have overlooked an obvious source of information. Thanks in advance for any help you might provide. ________________________________________________________________________ Chet Hosey ________________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Mar 19 18:46:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailsrv.amplex.net (mailsrv.amplex.net [209.57.124.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5272D37B737 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:46:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@amplex.net) Received: from mark2000 (dhcp58.amplex.net [209.57.124.58]) (authenticated) by mailsrv.amplex.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2K2jiX36989; Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Radabaugh - Amplex" To: "'Chet Hosey'" Cc: Subject: RE: Sendmail+STARTTLS Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:44:57 -0500 Message-ID: <00f901c0b0e7$c078f3a0$3a7c39d1@mark2000> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think I know what you are refering to... add: define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A') to your sendmail.mc file and recreate sendmail.mc. Seems to me I also deleted mail-auth-info (not sure on this one.. try it and see if it does what you want). Seems to make it happier with Exchange. Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 833-3635 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chet Hosey > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:28 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Sendmail+STARTTLS > > > Has anyone successfully used sendmail with TLS? I'm being denied by an > Exchange server, since sendmail will automatically try to use > TLS if the > server offers it, even if sendmail has not been given > certificates, etc. > > Is it possible, without a recompile, to prevent sendmail from using > STARTTLS when acting as a client? > > > Incidentally, I'm a recently converted long-time Linux admin. > While I am > generally impressed with the quality of FreeBSD vs. the hackish Linux > environment, I am disappointed that a feature which, when > misconfigured, > could severely limit interoperability would be enabled by > default and yet > remain so poorly documented. That this might be the case is > one of the few > things that darkens my view of an otherwise impressive OS. Is there a > place to which one wanting to stay in the know might look for help? > > I dislike the thought of interrupted service, especially if I > might have > overlooked an obvious source of information. > > Thanks in advance for any help you might provide. > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > > Chet Hosey > > ______________________________________________________________ > __________ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 20 7:27:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web1.nidhog.com (web1.nidhog.com [192.204.160.129]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAA37B71E for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 07:27:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chosey@web1.nidhog.com) Received: from localhost (chosey@localhost) by web1.nidhog.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2KFOUj71047 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:24:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chosey@web1.nidhog.com) X-Authentication-Warning: web1.nidhog.com: chosey owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:24:30 -0500 (EST) From: Chet Hosey To: Subject: RE: Sendmail+STARTTLS In-Reply-To: <00f901c0b0e7$c078f3a0$3a7c39d1@mark2000> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for your response! It seems, unfortunately, that I was not quite successful in accurately describing the problem which is occurring. I am trying to send mail to a server which reports itself as Microsoft Exchange, version 5.5.2650.21, using sendmail 8.11.3 under FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE, updated via cvsup and rebuilt last Thursday evening. I have no auth-info file; sendmail.cf includes: # list of authentication mechanisms #O AuthMechanisms=GSSAPI KERBEROS_V4 DIGEST-MD5 CRAM-MD5 # default authentication information for outgoing connections #O DefaultAuthInfo=/etc/mail/default-auth-info # SMTP AUTH flags O AuthOptions=A # CA directory #O CACERTPath # CA file #O CACERTFile # Server Cert #O ServerCertFile # Server private key #O ServerKeyFile # Client Cert #O ClientCertFile # Client private key #O ClientKeyFile # DHParameters (only required if DSA/DH is used) #O DHParameters # Random data source (required for systems without /dev/urandom under OpenSSL) #O RandFile pasta# sendmail -q -v Running /var/spool/mqueue/f2GLJ3i91640 (sequence 1 of 1) ... Connecting to bcmail.bc.pitt.edu. via esmtp... 220 bcmail.bc.pitt.edu ESMTP Server (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service 5.5.2650.21) ready >>> EHLO pasta.mydomain.com 250-bcmail.bc.pitt.edu Hello [pasta.mydomain.com] 250-XEXCH50 250-HELP 250-ETRN 250-DSN 250-SIZE 0 250-AUTH LOGIN 250-AUTH=LOGIN 250-STARTTLS 250 TLS >>> STARTTLS 220 Go ahead ... Deferred: 403 4.7.0 ... TLS handshake failed. Closing connection to bcmail.bc.pitt.edu. We have a key and a certificate from Thawte, which I tried to specify as ClientKeyFile and ClientCert. This did not help. Sendmail does not offer STARTTLS in response to EHLO. I would gladly offer more configuration information as necessary. ________________________________________________________________________ Chet Hosey ________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 19 Mar 2001, Mark Radabaugh - Amplex wrote: > I think I know what you are refering to... > > add: > > define(`confAUTH_OPTIONS', `A') > > to your sendmail.mc file and recreate sendmail.mc. > > Seems to me I also deleted mail-auth-info (not sure on this > one.. try it and see if it does what you want). > > Seems to make it happier with Exchange. > > Mark Radabaugh > Amplex > (419) 833-3635 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Chet Hosey > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 9:28 PM > > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Sendmail+STARTTLS > > > > > > Has anyone successfully used sendmail with TLS? I'm being denied by an > > Exchange server, since sendmail will automatically try to use > > TLS if the > > server offers it, even if sendmail has not been given > > certificates, etc. > > > > Is it possible, without a recompile, to prevent sendmail from using > > STARTTLS when acting as a client? > > > > > > Incidentally, I'm a recently converted long-time Linux admin. > > While I am > > generally impressed with the quality of FreeBSD vs. the hackish Linux > > environment, I am disappointed that a feature which, when > > misconfigured, > > could severely limit interoperability would be enabled by > > default and yet > > remain so poorly documented. That this might be the case is > > one of the few > > things that darkens my view of an otherwise impressive OS. Is there a > > place to which one wanting to stay in the know might look for help? > > > > I dislike the thought of interrupted service, especially if I > > might have > > overlooked an obvious source of information. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you might provide. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > Chet Hosey > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 20 11:17:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from coffee.q9media.com (coffee.q9media.com [216.94.229.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B229D37B71B; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:17:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@q9media.com) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (vega.tct.net [216.94.230.13]) by coffee.q9media.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2KJNre74016; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:23:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@q9media.com) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:17:25 -0500 Subject: Chili!Soft ASP on FreeBSD? From: Mike Barcroft To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Organization: q9 media Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [BCC'd to advocacy, apologies for the cross-posting.] Originally posted to Daily Daemon News (http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1700) Later picked up by Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/bsd/01/03/20/0923202.shtml) "I spoke with Chili!Soft today about Chili!Soft ASP for FreeBSD. The sales person I spoke with told me they are interested in doing a port to FreeBSD, but they'd like to see enough interest to make the port worth while. So if anyone is interested in ASP software on FreeBSD, I encourage you to call them at (425) 957-1122 and speak to one of their sales representatives. Be sure to tell them how many server licenses you'd expect to buy. They also have an online request form for new platforms (http://www.chilisoft.com/platforms/platreq.htm)." Best regards, Mike Barcroft To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 20 11:20:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from andcoke.aeon.networktel.net (andcoke.aeon.networktel.net [216.83.238.151]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B23037B719 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:20:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phill@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (phill@localhost) by andcoke.aeon.networktel.net (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2KJJxZ55696; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:20:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from phill@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: andcoke.aeon.networktel.net: phill owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:19:59 -0600 (CST) From: Phillip Salzman X-Sender: phill@andcoke.aeon.networktel.net To: Mike Barcroft Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Chili!Soft ASP on FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I also think its quite odd how they have a Windows XX(XX) version of their iASP software, too. But I guess some people actually run stuff of other than IIS on their win32 boxen. --- Phillip Salzman phill@FreeBSD.Org http://www.sysctl.net/ |<- My Website. Are you scared yet? -------------------------------------------------------------- "If A equals success, then the formula is A = X + Y + Z. X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut." -- Albert Einstein -------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Mike Barcroft wrote: > > [BCC'd to advocacy, apologies for the cross-posting.] > > > Originally posted to Daily Daemon News > (http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1700) > > Later picked up by Slashdot > (http://slashdot.org/bsd/01/03/20/0923202.shtml) > > > "I spoke with Chili!Soft today about Chili!Soft ASP for FreeBSD. The sales > person I spoke with told me they are interested in doing a port to FreeBSD, > but they'd like to see enough interest to make the port worth while. So if > anyone is interested in ASP software on FreeBSD, I encourage you to call > them at (425) 957-1122 and speak to one of their sales representatives. Be > sure to tell them how many server licenses you'd expect to buy. They also > have an online request form for new platforms > (http://www.chilisoft.com/platforms/platreq.htm)." > > > Best regards, > Mike Barcroft > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Mar 20 11:23:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F8B637B71C for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:23:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 78955 invoked by uid 106); 20 Mar 2001 19:34:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 20 Mar 2001 19:34:12 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "isp@freebsd.org" , "Mike Barcroft" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:27:07 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Chili!Soft ASP on FreeBSD? Message-Id: <20010320192352.8F8B637B71C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do you want ASP on FreeBSD platform in the first place? Those who want ASP usually want the rest of NT software such as MS Access, etc... one thing will lead to another and you will most probably find ASP useless in this setup. -Simon On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:17:25 -0500, Mike Barcroft wrote: > >[BCC'd to advocacy, apologies for the cross-posting.] > > >Originally posted to Daily Daemon News >(http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1700) > >Later picked up by Slashdot >(http://slashdot.org/bsd/01/03/20/0923202.shtml) > > >"I spoke with Chili!Soft today about Chili!Soft ASP for FreeBSD. The sales >person I spoke with told me they are interested in doing a port to FreeBSD, >but they'd like to see enough interest to make the port worth while. So if >anyone is interested in ASP software on FreeBSD, I encourage you to call >them at (425) 957-1122 and speak to one of their sales representatives. Be >sure to tell them how many server licenses you'd expect to buy. They also >have an online request form for new platforms >(http://www.chilisoft.com/platforms/platreq.htm)." > > >Best regards, >Mike Barcroft > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 21 2: 4:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f3.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C9437B744; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:04:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jefffbsd@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:03:11 -0800 Received: from 161.184.39.167 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.184.39.167] From: "Jeffrey Sewell" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Routing/2 Nic Help-please and thanks Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 10:03:11 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Mar 2001 10:03:11.0998 (UTC) FILETIME=[235CA1E0:01C0B1EE] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My issue; have 2 NICs set with 'External' IPs on different wires(diff hubs), and only one responds to external pings (xl0). xl0 = 161.184.39.164 (works) xl1 = 24.68.217.232 (doesn't respond) I setup DHCP for both interfaces and ifconfig shows that they both get their ips. xl0 listens properly, while xl1 won't respond to pings and what not. I figure it's because xl1 receives the ping and xl0 replies because of the routes setup. However I'm not very good at routes, so I need help :) Can someone please advise how to fix this solution? I provided my information: * netstat -rn ********************************************************* Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif Expire default 161.184.32.1 UGSc 2 9 xl0 24.68.216/22 link#2 UC 0 0 xl1 => 24.68.217.232 0:1:2:ec:27:ff UHLW 0 4 lo0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 161.184.32/21 link#1 UC 0 0 xl0 => 161.184.32.1 0:d0:63:64:f4:0 UHLW 2 0 xl0 1200 * end of netstat -rn ************************************************** * ifconfig -a ********************************************************* xl0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::250:daff:fe6c:b738%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 161.184.39.164 netmask 0xfffff800 broadcast 161.184.39.255 ether 00:50:da:6c:b7:38 media: autoselect (100baseTX) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UT P 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX xl1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet6 fe80::201:2ff:feec:27ff%xl1 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x2 inet 24.68.217.232 netmask 0xfffffc00 broadcast 24.68.219.255 ether 00:01:02:ec:27:ff media: autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active supported media: autoselect 100baseTX 100baseTX 10baseT/UT P 10baseT/UTP 100baseTX * end of ifconfig -a **************************************************** * arp -an *************************************************************** ? (24.68.217.232) at 0:1:2:ec:27:ff permanent [ethernet] ? (161.184.32.1) at 0:d0:63:64:f4:0 [ethernet] * end of arp -an ******************************************************** _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 21 12: 4:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from gibbon.kungfumonkey.com (dsl254-084-215.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.84.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3410B37B735; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jolly@gibbon.kungfumonkey.com) Received: from localhost (jolly@localhost) by gibbon.kungfumonkey.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA16663; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:37 -0500 (EST) From: Jacob Frelinger To: Jeffrey Sewell Cc: , Subject: Re: Routing/2 Nic Help-please and thanks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: by Your Mother's Brand Of Detergent X-Archive: No MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jeffrey Sewell wrote: [snip] > * netstat -rn ********************************************************* > > Internet: > Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Netif > Expire > default 161.184.32.1 UGSc 2 9 xl0 > 24.68.216/22 link#2 UC 0 0 xl1 => > 24.68.217.232 0:1:2:ec:27:ff UHLW 0 4 lo0 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this line is your problem. the address is on the loopback interface. now whats the cause or the fix, i've no idea, which is odd as later ifconfig shows it on the correct addapter. but its why you aren't getting responses from xl1 (if you're trying to ping from the same network as xl1), and the default route should have nothing to do with it. you may want to try manualy deleting that route and re-adding it on the correct interface as a temporary fix. (see man route) -- Jacob "I'm Brainy For Zombie Pops" Frelinger Resident Psycho http://www.thecoffinclub.com Jolly at TheCoffinClub dot Com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 21 14: 4:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ebola.biohz.net (ebola.biohz.net [206.80.1.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC9837B71D for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from renaud@waldura.org) Received: from renaud (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ebola.biohz.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 97FD2115247 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00b601c0b252$ebacb2c0$3902010a@zerog.int> From: "Renaud Waldura" To: Subject: ISP2150 Dedicated Disk Issue Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:04:37 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found this thread in the mailing-list archives: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1786619+1790694+/usr/local/www/d b/text/2000/freebsd-questions/20000716.freebsd-questions http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=1904625+1908565+/usr/local/www/d b/text/2000/freebsd-questions/20000716.freebsd-questions It mentions problems with "dangerously dedicated" disks in the Intel ISP2150 2U rackmount box. This very same problem has bitten me when upgrading ours with IBM Ultrastar 36XP drives (DRHS 36D). Basically the machine won't boot at all (it dies right before the boot0 stage?) whenever this disk is partitioned in "dangerously dedicated" fashion. It doesn't even need to be the boot drive, just having present in the machine is enough. Solution: partition the disk with fdisk ("fdisk -BI" was the exact incantation I believe) to create a "true partition entry", and then disklabel it. One more argument in favor of non-DD disks. On one machine I've got a Seagate 2Gb also, DD-partitioned. It works fine, the problem is only with IBM drives (or maybe drives > a specific size?). The box is running BIOS 12.3, with all the latest firmware stuff. Maybe I should mention this to Intel. --Renaud To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Mar 21 17:46:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.chartermi.net (060upc075.chartermi.net [24.213.60.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CEA37B71D for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wrath@shianet.org) Received: from danrc ([24.213.24.43]) by mail.chartermi.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71004U47242L33562S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:46:33 -0500 Message-ID: <002701c0b271$ec9721b0$2b18d518@fear.wrath.net> From: "Brian" To: Subject: rackmount Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:46:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I posted this to freebsd-hardware@ last week and got few replies, sorry if you get to see it again. I'm really looking for the standards and parts. I know there's got to be a place to for each of those things. I'm also interested in what _works_ for other people. I'm also looking for information on rackmount hardware. I'm interested in the standards such as placement of fasteners, power cords, network cables, and mounting. Ideally, this would be a learning experience--otherwise I'd just go plop my money down at intel. For the first time, I've had a reason to get into rackmount cases. I haven't found much in the list archives and my clueless web searches haven't provided me much in the way of results. I've found a few companies that provide them but they list minimal information and the cheapest I've found anything is $200 for a (empty) 2U case. I've found: http://www.rackmaster.com/products.htm http://www.calpc.com/html/contents.html http://www.aristaipc.com/chassis/chassis.htm http://www.antec-inc.com/product/product.html http://www.starbox.net/ (no parts) http://www.servercase.com/Rackmountcases.html (most impressive as far as quantity) http://www.gorilla.net/ to name a few. I'm also looking at boards. I use a SuperMicro P6DBE for everything, but I'm open to suggestions. All I need is a bare minimum of a BX chipset with support for dual P3 Katmai processors and nothing slower than Ultra33. SCSI is definitely not needed. It'd be nice if video and a 10/100 ethernet controller were on board. Since the 600MHz Katmai is on the rise, I can suffer with 800MHz or better FC-PGA processors. Ideally, the board would be $200 or less whether it be new or used. I've found a few boards that meet my needs: slot1: Intel N440BX and L440GX SuperMicro P6DBE and P6DGE Tyan 1832 and 1834 Asus P2BD Abit BP6 socket370: Abit VP6 and BP6 Tyan 2507 Gigabyte 6VXD7 and 6VXC7 Thanks for your time -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Mar 22 5:56:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from psknet.com (psknet.com [63.171.251.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0675337B718 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 80755 invoked from network); 22 Mar 2001 13:56:29 -0000 Received: from abyss.dashit.net (HELO ABYSS) (63.171.251.250) by psknet.com with SMTP; 22 Mar 2001 13:56:29 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: "Brian" , Subject: RE: rackmount Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:56:29 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <002701c0b271$ec9721b0$2b18d518@fear.wrath.net> X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by Pulaski Networks (http://www.psknet.com) using AMaViS (http://www.amavis.org) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian, >From your post, it sounds like you've already got a pretty good handle on what you need to get. I've had good luck with SVEC cases, they're quite nice for the price. $200 for a 2U case is very cheap, and I'd watch out for airflow issues. It's really easy to bake your HD and CPU if you're not carefull. Look for a well designed case that's easy to work in and has good airflow. You don't want to have to pull out everything else just to add some ram, and you don't want the flow of air to be blocked around your CPU or HDs. I bought a pre-built system for the first time last month. I ended up with a 1U box from thinhardware.com, and I must say that I'm impressed with it so far. They even double-package the thing for shipping, I was amazed to see over 10" of foam to protect the thing. I'm sure I'll be buying more from them as needed. For your rackmount server needs, just go with whatever you're most comfortable with. On the hardware side, you've got a pretty good list going already. I'd add the IWILL line of products to that list, they've proven themselves to be very reliable to me. I've even got one that's been running for over 4 years without issue (HX Chipset, onboard UW SCSI :), an LX that's been running for about 3 years, and a BX that's been up close to 2 years now. For ethernet, I can't reccoment Intel Pro/100 cards enough. I got handed a box of used ones a long time ago, and from the first moment I saw one in action, I was impressed. It's all I use now. Good luck, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 ** -----Original Message----- ** From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ** [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Brian ** Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 8:47 PM ** To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org ** Subject: rackmount ** ** ** I posted this to freebsd-hardware@ last week and got few ** replies, sorry if ** you get to see it again. ** ** I'm really looking for the standards and parts. I know there's ** got to be a ** place to for each of those things. I'm also interested in what ** _works_ for ** other people. ** ** I'm also looking for information on rackmount hardware. I'm ** interested in ** the standards such as placement of fasteners, power cords, ** network cables, ** and mounting. Ideally, this would be a learning ** experience--otherwise I'd ** just go plop my money down at intel. ** ** For the first time, I've had a reason to get into rackmount cases. I ** haven't found much in the list archives and my clueless web ** searches haven't ** provided me much in the way of results. I've found a few companies that ** provide them but they list minimal information and the cheapest ** I've found ** anything is $200 for a (empty) 2U case. ** ** I've found: ** http://www.rackmaster.com/products.htm ** http://www.calpc.com/html/contents.html ** http://www.aristaipc.com/chassis/chassis.htm ** http://www.antec-inc.com/product/product.html ** http://www.starbox.net/ (no parts) ** http://www.servercase.com/Rackmountcases.html (most impressive as far as ** quantity) ** http://www.gorilla.net/ ** to name a few. ** ** I'm also looking at boards. I use a SuperMicro P6DBE for everything, but ** I'm open to suggestions. All I need is a bare minimum of a BX ** chipset with ** support for dual P3 Katmai processors and nothing slower than ** Ultra33. SCSI ** is definitely not needed. It'd be nice if video and a 10/100 ethernet ** controller were on board. Since the 600MHz Katmai is on the rise, I can ** suffer with 800MHz or better FC-PGA processors. Ideally, the ** board would be ** $200 or less whether it be new or used. ** ** I've found a few boards that meet my needs: ** slot1: ** Intel N440BX and L440GX ** SuperMicro P6DBE and P6DGE ** Tyan 1832 and 1834 ** Asus P2BD ** Abit BP6 ** socket370: ** Abit VP6 and BP6 ** Tyan 2507 ** Gigabyte 6VXD7 and 6VXC7 ** ** ** ** Thanks for your time ** -Brian ** ** ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ** with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message ** ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 0:53:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bom2.vsnl.net.in (bom2.vsnl.net.in [202.54.1.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA5737B720; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:52:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from toner1@asianwired.net) Received: from 202.54.1.1 (rsvp-208-187-151-175.ac05.dlls.eli.net [208.187.151.175]) by bom2.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B0C32B28B; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:20:28 +0530 (GMT+5:30) To: customer@republic.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 01 03:22:20 EST From: toner1@asianwired.net Subject: toner supplies Message-Id: <20010323085039.9B0C32B28B@bom2.vsnl.net.in> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org PLEASE FORWARD TO THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR PURCHASING YOUR LASER PRINTER SUPPLIES **** VORTEX SUPPLIES **** -SPECIALS OF THE DAY ON LASER TONER SUPPLIES AT DISCOUNT PRICES-- LASER PRINTER TONER CARTRIDGES COPIER AND FAX CARTRIDGES WE ARE -->THE<-- PLACE TO BUY YOUR TONER CARTRIDGES BECAUSE YOU SAVE UP TO 30% FROM OFFICE DEPOT'S, QUILL'S OR OFFICE MAX'S EVERY DAY LOW PRICES ORDER BY PHONE:1-888-288-9043 ORDER BY FAX: 1-888-977-1577 CUSTOMER SERVICE: 1-888-248-2015 E-MAIL REMOVAL LINE: 1-888-248-4930 UNIVERSITY AND/OR SCHOOL PURCHASE ORDERS WELCOME. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 5:35:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.abc.mk.ua (mail.abc.mk.ua [212.109.42.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7299937B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:35:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sergei@vasilyev.mk.ua) Received: from ras.abc.mk.ua (ras.abc.mk.ua [212.109.42.135]) by smtp.abc.mk.ua (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f2NDYfX03936 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:34:42 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:35:34 +0200 (EET) From: Sergei Vasilyev X-Sender: sergei@ras.abc.mk.ua To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: gated does not export static rip Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi I've got GateD on my FreeBSD router. gated.conf is somth. like traceoptions "/var/log/gated.trace" size 100k files 2 parse route; rip yes { interface lo0 noripin noripout; interface ppp0 noripin noripout; interface tun0 noripin noripout; interface ed1 ripin ripout; traceoptions packets request response other; trustedgateways a.a.a.a b.b.b.b; }; static { n.n.n.n masklen 24 gateway x.x.x.x ; m.m.m.m masklen 24 gateway x.x.x.x ; }; export proto rip interface ed1 { proto static{ n.n.n.n masklen 24 ; m.m.m.m masklen 24 ; };}; where x.x.x.x is IP on other side of ppp0 link. I see that there is no records in gated.trace about sending announce about routes that described in "static" section. And no routes to n.n.n.n and m.m.m.m on a.a.a.a and b.b.b.b routers that listen rip and trust my router ( they are plagged in the same ehternet hub as my ed1) What can I do with gated.conf to correct this situation? I wish that route to n.n.n.n and m.m.m.m be announced when ppp link is up and not announsed when ppp link goes down. Thanks in advance, Sergei Vasilyev To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 5:47:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from velvet.sensation.net.au (serial1-2-velvet-brunswick.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 473B837B71E for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 05:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost) by velvet.sensation.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA56804 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:46:46 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: velvet.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:46:42 +1100 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gated does not export static rip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Sergei Vasilyev wrote: Sergei, > > I've got GateD on my FreeBSD router. > gated.conf is somth. like I haven't used gated for a while but it looks ok at first glance. I don't think your config will use RIPv2 by default, you might want to try enabling that. Also, you can use "tcpdump -vvni ed1 -s 1024 port 520" to get a dump of what RIP advertisements are travelling over your network. I used gated for a while and in the end I found that the tracing and general debugging of routing was too clunky, so I changed to MRTd (www.medit.edu/~mrt) which has an interactive CLI for both configuration and debugging. Zebra is a similar tool. Cheers. -- Rowan Crowe http://www.rowan.sensation.net.au/ Sensation Internet Services http://info.sensation.net.au/ Melbourne, Australia Phone: +61-3-9388-9260 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 6: 3:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07D537B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:03:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA17155 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:58:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: Subject: Good server motherboard? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:58:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c0b3a1$4a8c7740$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am planning to use FreeBSD as my primary OS for an ISP that I am = starting. I am beginning my research for the best motherboard to use = for a production environment. One that is reliable and performs well = (with reliable being the number one priority!). Here are some questions = that I have: 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? Or what = chipset is the best and most stable with FreeBSD? Or a suggestion where = to look? =20 2. How about some that have built in RAID 1? =20 3. Any inexpensive (but reliable) tape drive suggestions? Thanks to all, Ed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 9: 2:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sixpence.mtcibs.com (sixpence.solveinteractive.com [204.62.227.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E236F37B71B for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rch@solveinteractive.com) Received: from gold.mtcibs.com (gold [204.62.225.30]) by sixpence.mtcibs.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20240 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:02:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from trinity.solveinteractive.com (trinity.solveinteractive.com [204.62.225.170]) by gold.mtcibs.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00085 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:02:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rch@localhost) by trinity.solveinteractive.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f2NH2fR11689 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:02:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rch@solveinteractive.com) X-Authentication-Warning: trinity.solveinteractive.com: rch set sender to rch@solveinteractive.com using -f Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:02:41 -0500 From: Robert Hough To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? Message-ID: <20010323120241.E11151@solveinteractive.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <000001c0b3a1$4a8c7740$0464a8c0@pnt004> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000001c0b3a1$4a8c7740$0464a8c0@pnt004>; from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 08:58:06 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 23, 2001, Ed Henderson wrote: > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong performers too, but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several Tyan Tomcats that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without any problems. > Or a suggestion where to look? Tom's hardware guide is generally a good source of hardware information. I'm sure there are many others as well. > 2. How about some that have built in RAID 1? I'd keep away from boards with "built" in components. They are nice for workstations, but I'd avoid them on production servers. > 3. Any inexpensive (but reliable) tape drive suggestions? I'm stuck in the DLT world, nothing inexpensive about that, but then again, it's been my experience that when you go cheap in your emergency restoration department - it fails you at the worst possible time... -- Robert Hough (rch@solveinteractive.com) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 9:24:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AA837B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:24:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04604; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:25:23 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010323123209.02384e40@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:42:18 -0500 To: Robert Hough , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dennis Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? In-Reply-To: <20010323120241.E11151@solveinteractive.com> References: <000001c0b3a1$4a8c7740$0464a8c0@pnt004> <000001c0b3a1$4a8c7740$0464a8c0@pnt004> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:02 PM 03/23/2001, Robert Hough wrote: >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001, Ed Henderson wrote: > > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? > >I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong performers too, >but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several Tyan Tomcats >that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without any problems. I completely and totally believe the exact opposite. Several Tyan MBs, for example, spontaneously reboot regularly with power supplies of less then 200 watts. They are so poorly engineered that Tyan doesn't know why, and they dont have electrical specs on the MBs. Intel's comparable all-in-one, for example, is spec'd to require a minimum of 146watts and works nicely with a 150watt supply. My conversations with tyan indicate that they dont engineer their boards very well, nor do they test them in a wide range of environments. Luckily, they did take back a boatload of MBs even though we had no boxes, so at least they recognize their problems. Dennis . To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 9:34:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D863137B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:34:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA13996 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:29:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: Subject: RE: Good server motherboard? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:29:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000d01c0b3be$c5828f80$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <20010323120241.E11151@solveinteractive.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >=20 > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? >=20 > I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong=20 > performers too, > but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several Tyan Tomcats > that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without=20 > any problems. >=20 > > Or a suggestion where to look? >=20 > Tom's hardware guide is generally a good source of hardware > information. I'm sure there are many others as well. > =20 Are there specifice chipsets that work better in FreeBSD than others? I = know that most MBs are optimized for Windows and often require chipset = drivers to be loaded after installation of Windows. Would FreeBSD work = just fine with a MB like that where there was no FreeBSD drivers = available? Or am I being too paranoid? Thanks, Ed. =20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 9:38: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860E437B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:38:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14004; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:31:38 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: "'Dennis'" , "'Robert Hough'" , Subject: RE: Good server motherboard? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:31:28 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c0b3bf$18148fa0$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010323123209.02384e40@mail.etinc.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dennis, Am I to assume your are recommending Intel MBs? Ed. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dennis > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:42 PM > To: Robert Hough; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? >=20 >=20 > At 12:02 PM 03/23/2001, Robert Hough wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001, Ed Henderson wrote: > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? > > > >I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong=20 > performers too, > >but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several=20 > Tyan Tomcats > >that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without=20 > any problems. >=20 >=20 > I completely and totally believe the exact opposite. >=20 > Several Tyan MBs, for example, spontaneously reboot regularly=20 > with power=20 > supplies of less then 200 watts. They are so poorly=20 > engineered that Tyan=20 > doesn't know why, and they dont have electrical specs on the=20 > MBs. Intel's=20 > comparable all-in-one, for example, is spec'd to require a minimum of=20 > 146watts and works nicely with a 150watt supply. >=20 > My conversations with tyan indicate that they dont engineer=20 > their boards=20 > very well, nor do they test them in a wide range of=20 > environments. Luckily,=20 > they did take back a boatload of MBs even though we had no=20 > boxes, so at=20 > least they recognize their problems. >=20 > Dennis >=20 > . >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 12: 1:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38D437B718 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:01:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@cpl.net) Received: from Shawn100 ([63.169.72.34]) by luke.cpl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA17836; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00e101c0b3d3$b5074dc0$2248a93f@Shawn100> From: "Shawn Ramsey" To: "Ed Henderson" , "'Dennis'" , "'Robert Hough'" , References: <000f01c0b3bf$18148fa0$0464a8c0@pnt004> Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:59:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Henderson" To: "'Dennis'" ; "'Robert Hough'" ; Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Good server motherboard? > Dennis, > Am I to assume your are recommending Intel MBs? > > Ed. > > We use Tyan boards as well. Never had a problem with crashing boards, the last one we put up hasn't crashed once. (since october last year) Thats a Trinity KT board running an Athlon 900 MHz. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 14:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wrench.toolcity.net (wrench.toolcity.net [208.0.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCBA37B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (dap-208-11-233-18.meadville-tnt-0.pa.toolcity.net [208.11.233.18]) by wrench.toolcity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA07037; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:50:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: Cc: "'Bob Martin'" Subject: RE: Good server motherboard? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:33:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001c01c0b3ea$df109920$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <3ABB91E2.C052C643@inu.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here is some more info: > Ed Henderson wrote: > >=20 > > I am planning to use FreeBSD as my primary OS for an ISP=20 > that I am starting. I am beginning my research for the best=20 > motherboard to use for a production environment. One that is=20 > reliable and performs well (with reliable being the number=20 > one priority!).. Here are some questions that I have: > A decision that has been proven by ISP's all over the world! >=20 > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? =20 > Or what chipset is the best and most stable with FreeBSD? Or=20 > a suggestion where to look? > This is the wrong question. What processor[s] do you want to use? What > is your budget? Is the box going to be a rack mount? If so, how many > U's? (The second question is the most important!) >=20 I plan to use AMD Athlon chips, tower case, IDE drives/peripherals, at = least 256MB RAM. Budget is limited since we are just beginning: approx. = $1300 per server (not including tape drive which is seperate see #3 = below). Servers will host typical ISP apps: DNS, RADIUS, mail, Apache, = etc. > > 2. How about some that have built in RAID 1? > If you just want raid1, use vinum. (Software raid). I personally don't > like anything critical built into the board. It's much easier, and > faster, to change a bad SCSI controller than it is to change a MB. >=20 Good point! > > 3. Any inexpensive (but reliable) tape drive suggestions? > These are mutually exclusive for the most part, and also depend on how > big you need. OK. I have budgeted $1500 for a tape drive. Any suggestions? > =20 > > Thanks to all, > > Ed. > >=20 > I think if you give us a little more information, we'll be=20 > able to give > you better answers. > --=20 > Bob Martin, CTO > InterNet Unlimited > http://www.inu.net > mailto:bob@inu.net >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 16: 4:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from marble.fbcc.com (ns2.fbcc.com [216.54.252.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC22B37B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:04:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Received: (qmail 3908 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2001 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from 216-52-255-8.fbcc.com (HELO bluto.jimking.net) (216.54.255.8) by ns2.fbcc.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2001 00:13:17 -0000 Received: from marble (marble.lgc.com [134.132.228.4]) by bluto.jimking.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2O049j87389; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:04:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jim@jimking.net) Message-ID: <001501c0b3f5$f40b8910$04e48486@marble> From: "Jim King" To: "Ed Henderson" , Cc: "'Bob Martin'" References: <001c01c0b3ea$df109920$0464a8c0@pnt004> Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:04:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Ed Henderson" wrote: >I plan to use AMD Athlon chips, tower case, IDE drives/peripherals, >at least 256MB RAM. Budget is limited since we are just beginning: >approx. $1300 per server (not including tape drive which is seperate >see #3 below). Servers will host typical ISP apps: DNS, RADIUS, >mail, Apache, etc. When I looked a couple months ago none of the Athlon motherboards supported ECC memory. Considering the amount of potential grief you'll avoid by using ECC memory I'd say that Athlon shouldn't be considered. :-( Jim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 16:57:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D407437B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:57:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shawn@luke.cpl.net) Received: (from shawn@localhost) by luke.cpl.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA34901; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:57:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:57:43 -0800 From: Shawn Ramsey To: Jim King Cc: Ed Henderson , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, "'Bob Martin'" Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? Message-ID: <20010323165743.B57362@cpl.net> References: <001c01c0b3ea$df109920$0464a8c0@pnt004> <001501c0b3f5$f40b8910$04e48486@marble> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001501c0b3f5$f40b8910$04e48486@marble>; from jim@jimking.net on Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:04:09PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:04:09PM -0600, Jim King wrote: > "Ed Henderson" wrote: > >I plan to use AMD Athlon chips, tower case, IDE drives/peripherals, > >at least 256MB RAM. Budget is limited since we are just beginning: > >approx. $1300 per server (not including tape drive which is seperate > >see #3 below). Servers will host typical ISP apps: DNS, RADIUS, > >mail, Apache, etc. > > When I looked a couple months ago none of the Athlon motherboards supported > ECC memory. Considering the amount of potential grief you'll avoid by using > ECC memory I'd say that Athlon shouldn't be considered. :-( > > Jim Perhaps that was true then, certainly not now. Besides, I have never seen a problem caused by using non-ECC memory. Thats not to say that ECC memory shouldn't be used, but from what I have seen it is an unneccesary expense. Though I do believe the most RAM you can currently get on an Athlon MB is 2GB, so if you need more than that your out of luck. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 20: 7:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from lotl.clari.net.au (lotl.clari.net.au [203.26.127.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D84637B71B for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danny@helium.clari.net.au) Received: from helium.clari.net.au (helium.clari.net.au [203.8.14.114]) by lotl.clari.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA90813 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:07:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from danny@helium.clari.net.au) Received: from localhost (danny@localhost) by helium.clari.net.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05382 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:07:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from danny@helium.clari.net.au) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:07:41 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Callaghan" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: DSL services to apartments Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm thinking of providing Internet access to an apartment block via a DSL line. DSL is new to Melbourne and I have not actually used one myself, yet, so please bear with me. I get the impression that the best way to do this is: Internet | DSLRouter-----[SWITCH] | | | | A B C D...etc I'd like to use a FreeBSD box in place of SWITCH, but there is an issue of port density. If the above scenario is appropriate then I can use either a dumb switch or a programmable switch. The dumb switch would allow people to see PCs in other apartments. The programmable switch could prevent that. Can anyone let me know (a) is it worth putting in the programmable switch, or should I just tell people to secure their own PCs; (b) what are people's recommendations for a low cost per port programmable switch? Also, is there a completely different approach that I should consider? I'm open to any suggestions, provided the cost to the end user is realistic. Thanks, Danny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 20:36:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8857637B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:36:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from localhost (bri@localhost) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2O4ZD209261; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:35:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:35:12 -0800 (PST) From: Brian X-X-Sender: To: Dennis Cc: Robert Hough , Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010323123209.02384e40@mail.etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Power supplies less than 200 watts? You recycling 386 cases? I don't believe I've seen less than 250 in awhile. Brian On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dennis wrote: > At 12:02 PM 03/23/2001, Robert Hough wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001, Ed Henderson wrote: > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? > > > >I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong performers too, > >but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several Tyan Tomcats > >that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without any problems. > > > I completely and totally believe the exact opposite. > > Several Tyan MBs, for example, spontaneously reboot regularly with power > supplies of less then 200 watts. They are so poorly engineered that Tyan > doesn't know why, and they dont have electrical specs on the MBs. Intel's > comparable all-in-one, for example, is spec'd to require a minimum of > 146watts and works nicely with a 150watt supply. > > My conversations with tyan indicate that they dont engineer their boards > very well, nor do they test them in a wide range of environments. Luckily, > they did take back a boatload of MBs even though we had no boxes, so at > least they recognize their problems. > > Dennis > > . > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 20:41: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com [24.13.23.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C67837B71A for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:40:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Received: from localhost (bri@localhost) by cx175057-a.ocnsd1.sdca.home.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2O4dtm09278; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:39:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@sonicboom.org) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:39:55 -0800 (PST) From: Brian X-X-Sender: To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: Subject: Re: DSL services to apartments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It kind of to me depends on whether these apartment dwellers will be paying customers, or are you just lookin to get the building wired for giant lan parties and such? Seriously, my take is that it is on you to provide some security from the net, blocking spoofing, icmp mischief, and other traffic types. How many potential users btw? Perhaps recommend software firewalls, black ice as an example, to the end users. Brian On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > I'm thinking of providing Internet access to an apartment block via a DSL > line. DSL is new to Melbourne and I have not actually used one myself, > yet, so please bear with me. I get the impression that the best way to do > this is: > > Internet > | > DSLRouter-----[SWITCH] > | | | | > A B C D...etc > > I'd like to use a FreeBSD box in place of SWITCH, but there is an issue of > port density. > > If the above scenario is appropriate then I can use either a dumb switch > or a programmable switch. The dumb switch would allow people to see PCs > in other apartments. The programmable switch could prevent that. > > Can anyone let me know (a) is it worth putting in the programmable switch, > or should I just tell people to secure their own PCs; (b) what are > people's recommendations for a low cost per port programmable switch? > > Also, is there a completely different approach that I should consider? > I'm open to any suggestions, provided the cost to the end user is > realistic. > > Thanks, > > Danny > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Mar 23 20:45:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from tester.diversified-data.com.au (saints.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.242.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E23737B719 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:45:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from support@diversified-data.com.au) Received: from diversified-data.com.au (IDENT:duzzell@tester [127.0.0.1]) by tester.diversified-data.com.au (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f2O4bSj13843; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:37:30 +1100 Message-ID: <3ABC2488.FEAC12D8@diversified-data.com.au> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:37:28 +1100 From: Support Organization: Saints PC Pty Ltd T/a Diversified-data.com.au X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brian wrote: > Power supplies less than 200 watts? You recycling 386 cases? I don't > believe I've seen less than 250 in awhile. > Rackmount Case's like 1RU's have 150Watt supplies and 2RU's can have 150's or 200's David > > Brian > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dennis wrote: > > > At 12:02 PM 03/23/2001, Robert Hough wrote: > > >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001, Ed Henderson wrote: > > > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? > > > > > >I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong performers too, > > >but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several Tyan Tomcats > > >that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without any problems. > > > > > > I completely and totally believe the exact opposite. > > > > Several Tyan MBs, for example, spontaneously reboot regularly with power > > supplies of less then 200 watts. They are so poorly engineered that Tyan > > doesn't know why, and they dont have electrical specs on the MBs. Intel's > > comparable all-in-one, for example, is spec'd to require a minimum of > > 146watts and works nicely with a 150watt supply. > > > > My conversations with tyan indicate that they dont engineer their boards > > very well, nor do they test them in a wide range of environments. Luckily, > > they did take back a boatload of MBs even though we had no boxes, so at > > least they recognize their problems. > > > > Dennis > > > > . > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 0:39:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A2837B718 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:39:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA28393; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 02:39:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-228.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.228) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma028386; Sat Mar 24 02:39:01 2001 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20010323234111.029c0df0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 02:35:19 -0600 To: Shawn Ramsey , Jim King , Ed Henderson From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010323165743.B57362@cpl.net> References: <001501c0b3f5$f40b8910$04e48486@marble> <001c01c0b3ea$df109920$0464a8c0@pnt004> <001501c0b3f5$f40b8910$04e48486@marble> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:57 PM 3/23/01 -0800, Shawn Ramsey wrote: >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001 at 06:04:09PM -0600, Jim King wrote: > > "Ed Henderson" wrote: > > >I plan to use AMD Athlon chips, tower case, IDE drives/peripherals, > > >at least 256MB RAM. Budget is limited since we are just beginning: > > >approx. $1300 per server (not including tape drive which is seperate > > >see #3 below). Servers will host typical ISP apps: DNS, RADIUS, > > >mail, Apache, etc. > > > > When I looked a couple months ago none of the Athlon motherboards supported > > ECC memory. Considering the amount of potential grief you'll avoid by > using > > ECC memory I'd say that Athlon shouldn't be considered. :-( > > > > Jim > >Perhaps that was true then, certainly not now. Besides, I have never seen a >problem caused by using non-ECC memory. Thats not to say that ECC memory >shouldn't be used, but from what I have seen it is an unneccesary expense. >Though I do believe the most RAM you can currently get on an Athlon MB is >2GB, so if you need more than that your out of luck. The VIA KT133 does not support ECC and can support only 3 DIMMs for 1.5 GB of memory. The KX133 did support ECC and up to 4 DIMMS for 2 GB of memory. At least VIA did not continue with the lack of ECC support. The KT266 will support it and up to 4 GB. Of course PC DDR200/266 SDRAM (aka PC1600/2100) is a bit pricy. However the chipset can use PC133 SDRAM. Dependent on the MB of course. As for ECC, using it (or not) doesn't "cause" problems. It can detect and correct them and is highly recommended for servers, especially when filling memory to capacity. The same for using registered memory, which is required with many chipsets/boards when using more than 2 DIMMs. The price difference is small for the peace of mind should there be a problem with the memory. Ask anyone that has had to track down a memory problem or wonder why they cannot add a 3rd or 4th module when they didn't use registered memory. Of course with an Athlon system using the KT133 chipset you would be best served by using high quality memory, such as Micron. More so since ECC is not an option. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 6:17: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2237B71A for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21590; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:11:10 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: "'Daniel O'Callaghan'" , Cc: "'Brian'" Subject: RE: DSL services to apartments Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c0b46c$41eb9640$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > It kind of to me depends on whether these apartment dwellers will be > paying customers, or are you just lookin to get the building wired for > giant lan parties and such? Seriously, my take is that it is=20 > on you to > provide some security from the net, blocking spoofing, icmp=20 > mischief, and > other traffic types. How many potential users btw? Perhaps recommend > software firewalls, black ice as an example, to the end users. >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 Zonealarm is a great personal firewall for PCs with Windows. It works = very well and is easily installed/configured and is free for personal = use. Ed. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 8:27:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.k2access.net (mail.k2access.net [63.140.99.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFC7937B718 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:27:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from exs@kka.com) Received: from mephisto ([208.41.204.124]) by mail.k2access.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59171U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:26:07 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Eric D. Stanfield" To: "freebsd2" Subject: server problem Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:27:13 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c0b47f$485a5620$7ccc29d0@thestanfields.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <000301c0b46c$41eb9640$0464a8c0@pnt004> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wondering if anyone else has ever had this happen. I have a server set up that runs the online game CounterStrike. Basically, cron launches counterstrike every evening at 5pm then turns it off at 8am by calling a little shell script (for both launch and kill). Counterstrike sets aside 128M of ram for its own use. This has worked well for months. Yesterday, cron turned counterstrike on. Then cron did it again. And again. I telnetted in from home and saw around 12-15 counterstrike processes fighting to load/stay loaded. The login process itself took about 20 minutes to get from prompting for a username to giving me a command prompt. I barely managed to do a ps -ax to see all the c-s processes before getting dumped out of telnet. At that point it would appear that inetd died because ftp/telnet no longer accept connections. Oddly enough, Apache is still running and I can pull a web page off the machine albeit at a snail's pace. As I said, the server has been running this scenario without problems for months. I've not edited cron or changed anything else on the machine. The server is running 4.2-Current and is a p2-266 with 256M of ram and endless gigs of disk space. Has anyone seen this happen before? I'm guessing that cron is bugging out and repeatedly launching this counterstrike process. I can't find anything related to bugs with cron in this release. While this is "only a game machine" I do run a number of production machines on 4.2-current and I'm very worried at this point that I might find myself dealing with this in a much more critical environment. Thanks, Eric To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 8:46:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B6737B71B for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:46:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA04389; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:47:01 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324115850.02122a90@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:03:46 -0500 To: "Ed Henderson" From: Dennis Subject: RE: Good server motherboard? Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <000f01c0b3bf$18148fa0$0464a8c0@pnt004> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010323123209.02384e40@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:31 PM 03/23/2001, you wrote: >Dennis, >Am I to assume your are recommending Intel MBs? I think that my "point" was that you cant recommend a manufacturer, and that looking for a "recommendation" is not necessarily going to save you any headaches. Just because MB A works for Mr B doesnt mean that you wont have problems unless you mirror his setup and conditions. Some MBs crap out under extreme conditions. Some of fickle about power. Intel MBs have problems with stray interrupts (or so say the people in power at freebsd), and they dont take AMD processors so you may not like them. You have to do your homework and buy from someone who will take it back if you have problems. There is no "certainty" with MBS. Dennis >Ed. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Dennis > > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 12:42 PM > > To: Robert Hough; freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Good server motherboard? > > > > > > At 12:02 PM 03/23/2001, Robert Hough wrote: > > >On Fri, Mar 23, 2001, Ed Henderson wrote: > > > > > > > 1. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good MB to use? > > > > > >I like the Tyan boards for reliability. They are strong > > performers too, > > >but other boards are known to be faster. I've got several > > Tyan Tomcats > > >that have been running for close 3-4 years non-stop, without > > any problems. > > > > > > I completely and totally believe the exact opposite. > > > > Several Tyan MBs, for example, spontaneously reboot regularly > > with power > > supplies of less then 200 watts. They are so poorly > > engineered that Tyan > > doesn't know why, and they dont have electrical specs on the > > MBs. Intel's > > comparable all-in-one, for example, is spec'd to require a minimum of > > 146watts and works nicely with a 150watt supply. > > > > My conversations with tyan indicate that they dont engineer > > their boards > > very well, nor do they test them in a wide range of > > environments. Luckily, > > they did take back a boatload of MBs even though we had no > > boxes, so at > > least they recognize their problems. > > > > Dennis > > > > . > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 9:13:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C54E37B719; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:13:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04472; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:14:20 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324122812.038f4eb0@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:31:05 -0500 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" From: Dennis Subject: Re: AW: Best Gigabit ethernet for 4.x Cc: "Schmalzbauer, Harald" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20001118150437.A15956@panzer.kdm.org> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001118113245.032d3130@mail.etinc.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20001118113245.032d3130@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:04 PM 11/18/2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: >On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 11:33:29 -0500, Dennis wrote: > > At 04:28 PM 11/17/2000, Schmalzbauer, Harald wrote: > > >I just heard that Intel doesn't supply documentation on ther chipset > and the > > >FreeBSD and Linux support is quiet bad. The Netgear GA620 is said to be > > >twice as fast. The same Chipset (Alteon Tigon/AceNIC) is on the 3com985. > > > > > > Are all of the cards supported that use this chipset? I read somewhere > that > > the netgear card has a smallish buffer, and that the alteon was a better > > choice. How does the 3com card compare in that respect? > >The Netgear boards have 512K SRAM, the 3Com boards have 1MB SRAM. > >You can get Alteon-branded boards (with either 512K or 1MB SRAM), but >generally only directly from Alteon, and you're going to pay more than you >would for either the 3Com or Netgear boards. > >The 3Com and Netgear boards are identical to the Alteon boards. The only >difference is they've got "Netgear" or "3Com" silk-screened on them, and >the Alteon boards don't have any logos on them. > >FWIW, 3Com is buying Alteon's NIC group. Apparantly (according to an >Alteon engineer who posted on the linux-acenic list) they're just buying >the technology, not hiring the engineers: When you say "identical", that implies that they are the same...or do you just mean that they use the same parts? It seems unlikely that alteon would allow netgear to license its product and them sell it for 1/2 the price. Price is not an issue at this level as performance is tantamount, but Im not sure you'd need more than 512M with unix unless you have several NICs in a box. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 9:31: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A0F37B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:31:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04553 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:32:05 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324123145.038f58a0@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:48:49 -0500 To: isp@freebsd.org From: Dennis Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. In-Reply-To: References: <200103240805.f2O856h92540@mobile.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A better approach is to find someone poor with no chance for employment (or a criminal, with no garnishable income), have them sign the NDA and then have them post the documents on a public site. NDAs have no value if the breechor has no net worth. Saves a lot of negotiating. Dennis At 11:48 AM 03/24/2001, you wrote: > > 1 - Give a select group of people the docs under NDA > > 2 - If there are any specific features Intel wants avoided, get them to > > identify > > them up front. > > 3 - Let them write a driver that uses whatever features that are > useful, with > > header files that define the register bits etc that are reasonably > related > > to the features used. > > 4 - Hand over the driver to intel for "final veto" with a pre-agreement in > > place so that if they do not respond in 30 days we can release it > as-is. > > 5 - If they have specific features or register bit definitions that > they want > > removed, then do so as long as it isn't going to hopelessly cripple the > > driver. If they want something removed that wasn't covered in the > list at > > the start and is going to cause severe performance problems (say a 10% > > performance or efficiency drop), too bad. > > 6 - Repeat the loop for 'final veto' but with a week timeout instead of 30 > > days. > > > > Regarding step 5; if the information is already "out there" (other open > > source drivers, leaked onto the internet, etc) then it is fair game and we > > can use it. > >Step 4 is a lose. That will never fly because they don't have the interest >or bandwidth to review. > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 9:58:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA79D37B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:58:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA04664; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:59:28 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324130843.02127dd0@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:16:13 -0500 To: Luigi Rizzo From: Dennis Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200103241731.SAA49447@info.iet.unipi.it> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:31 PM 03/24/2001, you wrote: >I have read the thread for a while, and i wonder: > >why in the world someone should go through the effort and >responsibility of SIGNING THE NDA _and_ negotiating with Intel >for getting permissions to redistribute the code ? > >I do not see how this is doing any good to the project, given that >1) there are alternatives (for 100Mbit quite a few of them), and some > cards are even better and cheaper than the "fxp"; >2) even if you have hardware with an "fxp" on board, adding a second > supported card is cheap and easy -- nothing like having to put > in a second video card; > >Of course if you need support for this card in your own business, >you do what you need (including NDA's etc), but that is a totally >different story (and it appears to be a relatively straightforward >and quick thing to do if you do not need to redistribute the source >code). > >I think we all have better ways to use our time for FreeBSD than >dealing with the legal department of some company. The real answer is very simple. Let J. Lemon distribute the driver as a binary (boy wouldnt it be neat to have real support for binary distributions in FreeBSD!!!) and if you need source make it available from intel or J. Lemon after an intel NDA had been signed. You get your driver and your source, if and only if you need it. Why? Because its good to have support for major manufacture's products in the OS. Its gives commercial vendors another reason to chose FreeBSD. You are right, FreeBSD can probably do without it, but to let a perfectly good driver go to waste is a waste. Of course, J. L. could sell his driver also...theres no law that says he has to give it away. His NDA gives him the potential for a feature advantage which he can capitalize on, which is Intels intention in protecting their developers. Intel is just reserving their right to deny him from disclosing, which he should have known when he signed the NDA. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 11:11:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD16C37B71E for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:11:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04894; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:12:11 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324142619.03a8a690@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:28:54 -0500 To: From: Dennis Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > Well then I suggest you ALL start writing Intel every single day >to RELEASE DOCS WITH NO NDA. Then this problem will go away. Matt had the >best Idea so far. To take an NDA manual and get Intel to release the basic >functinoality parts of it openly. And that is what I sent to Linda Sanchez >at Intel. You are dealing with a company with more lawyers than FreeBSD has users. it will take them the life of the product to decide what is proprietary and what is not. Whining hackers wont get Intel to change their policy. dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 11:20:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574D637B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:20:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scanner@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11994; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:20:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:20:07 -0500 (EST) From: To: Dennis Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324142619.03a8a690@mail.etinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Dennis wrote: > You are dealing with a company with more lawyers than FreeBSD has > users. it will take them the life of the product to decide what is > proprietary and what is not. > Whining hackers wont get Intel to change their policy. I would hardly consider my discussions as whining. So I can count you on board for removing fxp from CVS then dennis? :-) You're obviously in agreement Intel is not going to change its way's. ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 11:43:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA7137B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:43:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05018; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:44:36 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324144957.03d1c300@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:01:17 -0500 To: scanner@jurai.net From: Dennis Subject: Re: Intel driver doc's Take 2. Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324142619.03a8a690@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:20 PM 03/24/2001, scanner@jurai.net wrote: >On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Dennis wrote: > > > You are dealing with a company with more lawyers than FreeBSD has > > users. it will take them the life of the product to decide what is > > proprietary and what is not. > > Whining hackers wont get Intel to change their policy. > > I would hardly consider my discussions as whining. So I can count >you on board for removing fxp from CVS then dennis? :-) You're obviously >in agreement Intel is not going to change its way's. You dont need to sign an NDA to do a driver. You just need to work a little harder. Blaming Intel because the driver sucks is a cop-out. They provide enough info to get the job done. db To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 11:45:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E217337B718; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:45:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id MAA18654; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:45:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:45:12 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Dennis Cc: "Schmalzbauer, Harald" , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AW: Best Gigabit ethernet for 4.x Message-ID: <20010324124511.A18612@panzer.kdm.org> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20001118113245.032d3130@mail.etinc.com> <20001118150437.A15956@panzer.kdm.org> <5.0.0.25.0.20010324122812.038f4eb0@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324122812.038f4eb0@mail.etinc.com>; from dennis@etinc.com on Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 12:31:05PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 12:31:05 -0500, Dennis wrote: > At 05:04 PM 11/18/2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > >On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 11:33:29 -0500, Dennis wrote: > > > At 04:28 PM 11/17/2000, Schmalzbauer, Harald wrote: > > > >I just heard that Intel doesn't supply documentation on ther chipset > > and the > > > >FreeBSD and Linux support is quiet bad. The Netgear GA620 is said to be > > > >twice as fast. The same Chipset (Alteon Tigon/AceNIC) is on the 3com985. > > > > > > > > > Are all of the cards supported that use this chipset? I read somewhere > > that > > > the netgear card has a smallish buffer, and that the alteon was a better > > > choice. How does the 3com card compare in that respect? > > > >The Netgear boards have 512K SRAM, the 3Com boards have 1MB SRAM. > > > >You can get Alteon-branded boards (with either 512K or 1MB SRAM), but > >generally only directly from Alteon, and you're going to pay more than you > >would for either the 3Com or Netgear boards. > > > >The 3Com and Netgear boards are identical to the Alteon boards. The only > >difference is they've got "Netgear" or "3Com" silk-screened on them, and > >the Alteon boards don't have any logos on them. > > > >FWIW, 3Com is buying Alteon's NIC group. Apparantly (according to an > >Alteon engineer who posted on the linux-acenic list) they're just buying > >the technology, not hiring the engineers: > > When you say "identical", that implies that they are the same...or do you > just mean that they use the same parts? It seems unlikely that alteon would > allow netgear to license its product and them sell it for 1/2 the price. Alteon evidently didn't want to undersell their OEMs. I think most of their NIC business was via sales from Netgear, 3Com, etc., and not via direct sales of their own NICs. (Which you could only buy direct from Alteon.) And the cards are pretty much the same, except that the Alteon boards generally have no identifying markings on them, whereas the Netgear and (I think) 3Com boards have the vendor's name silk-screened on the board. > Price is not an issue at this level as performance is tantamount, but Im > not sure you'd need more than 512M with unix unless you have several NICs > in a box. I'd like to see a Gigabit board with 512M. :) Assuming you mean 512K, you're probably right, that would be sufficient in many situations. The thing to remember is that you don't get the entire 512K for caching packets, since part of it (less than half) is used for the firmware and data structures. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 11:57:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from et-gw.etinc.com (et-gw.etinc.com [207.252.1.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8392C37B71F for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:57:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Received: from dbsys.etinc.com (dbsys.etinc.com [207.252.1.18]) by et-gw.etinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05117; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:58:19 GMT (envelope-from dennis@etinc.com) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324151230.03bc66d0@mail.etinc.com> X-Sender: dennis@mail.etinc.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:15:01 -0500 To: "Kenneth D. Merry" From: Dennis Subject: Re: AW: Best Gigabit ethernet for 4.x Cc: isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010324124511.A18612@panzer.kdm.org> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20010324122812.038f4eb0@mail.etinc.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20001118113245.032d3130@mail.etinc.com> <20001118150437.A15956@panzer.kdm.org> <5.0.0.25.0.20010324122812.038f4eb0@mail.etinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:45 PM 03/24/2001, you wrote: >On Sat, Mar 24, 2001 at 12:31:05 -0500, Dennis wrote: > > At 05:04 PM 11/18/2000, Kenneth D. Merry wrote: > > >On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 11:33:29 -0500, Dennis wrote: > > > > At 04:28 PM 11/17/2000, Schmalzbauer, Harald wrote: > > > > >I just heard that Intel doesn't supply documentation on ther chipset > > > and the > > > > >FreeBSD and Linux support is quiet bad. The Netgear GA620 is said > to be > > > > >twice as fast. The same Chipset (Alteon Tigon/AceNIC) is on the > 3com985. > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all of the cards supported that use this chipset? I read somewhere > > > that > > > > the netgear card has a smallish buffer, and that the alteon was a > better > > > > choice. How does the 3com card compare in that respect? > > > > > >The Netgear boards have 512K SRAM, the 3Com boards have 1MB SRAM. > > > > > >You can get Alteon-branded boards (with either 512K or 1MB SRAM), but > > >generally only directly from Alteon, and you're going to pay more than you > > >would for either the 3Com or Netgear boards. > > > > > >The 3Com and Netgear boards are identical to the Alteon boards. The only > > >difference is they've got "Netgear" or "3Com" silk-screened on them, and > > >the Alteon boards don't have any logos on them. > > > > > >FWIW, 3Com is buying Alteon's NIC group. Apparantly (according to an > > >Alteon engineer who posted on the linux-acenic list) they're just buying > > >the technology, not hiring the engineers: > > > > When you say "identical", that implies that they are the same...or do you > > just mean that they use the same parts? It seems unlikely that alteon > would > > allow netgear to license its product and them sell it for 1/2 the price. > >Alteon evidently didn't want to undersell their OEMs. I think most of >their NIC business was via sales from Netgear, 3Com, etc., and not via >direct sales of their own NICs. (Which you could only buy direct from >Alteon.) > >And the cards are pretty much the same, except that the Alteon boards >generally have no identifying markings on them, whereas the Netgear and (I >think) 3Com boards have the vendor's name silk-screened on the board. > > > Price is not an issue at this level as performance is tantamount, but Im > > not sure you'd need more than 512M with unix unless you have several NICs > > in a box. > >I'd like to see a Gigabit board with 512M. :) Assuming you mean 512K, >you're probably right, that would be sufficient in many situations. The >thing to remember is that you don't get the entire 512K for caching >packets, since part of it (less than half) is used for the firmware and >data structures. If you put it on its own 64bit bus there will be no problems at all. I wouldnt use it on a shared 32-bit bus however. Dennis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 12: 1:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1C837B71A for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:01:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2OK77I51957; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:07:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:07:07 -0600 (CST) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: "Daniel O'Callaghan" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DSL services to apartments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Daniel O'Callaghan wrote: > > I'm thinking of providing Internet access to an apartment block via a DSL > line. DSL is new to Melbourne and I have not actually used one myself, > yet, so please bear with me. I get the impression that the best way to do > this is: > > Internet > | > DSLRouter-----[SWITCH] > | | | | > A B C D...etc > > I'd like to use a FreeBSD box in place of SWITCH, but there is an > issue of port density. That is an issue. Use a switch instead. > > If the above scenario is appropriate then I can use either a dumb > switch or a programmable switch. The dumb switch would allow people > to see PCs in other apartments. The programmable switch could prevent > that. You have to provide VLAN's to these people...no question about it. Most people want their privacy. > > Can anyone let me know (a) is it worth putting in the programmable > switch, or should I just tell people to secure their own PCs; (b) what > are people's recommendations for a low cost per port programmable > switch? You want a some switch that can do VLANs. > > Also, is there a completely different approach that I should consider? > I'm open to any suggestions, provided the cost to the end user is > realistic. > Here is another approach you may find interesting. ISP | BSD---VLAN capable switch | |- DSL Switch |--------(Copper pair)---Apt #1 (VLAN #1) |--------(Copper pair)---Apt #2 (VLAN #2) |--------(Copper pair)---Apt #3 (VLAN #3) |--------(Copper pair)---Apt #4 (VLAN #4) Couple of notes. In this setup the DSL lines to the apartments are seen as an ETHERNET bridge between the VLAN switch and the node at the apartment. You have a couple of options that are low cost to do this type of setup. Look at PairGain (www.pairgain.com) SDSL product (the 768K megabit modem). This allows you to not have to fork over the cost of a DSLAM. Basically it is a pair of DSL boxes, one at the DSL switch location and one at the apartment location. Each Apartment uses up 1 port on your VLAN switch: VLAN switch |============| VLAN #1 port 1 ---Pairgain---Copper pair ---APT #1 Pairgain VLAN #2 port 2 ---Pairgain---Copper pair ---APT #1 Pairgain . . . VLAN n port n The BSD machine would provide the following features: - natd to allow for private IP space in the apartments and firewall capability, both from the internet and between apartments (between VLAN's). You could even route an apartment a small public subnet without effecting service of other apartments (at an additional cost). If someone doesn't need to have a public IP then you're not burning valueable IP space from the ISP. -DUMMYNET could be used to rate limit bandwidth (charging more for additional bandwidth) -You could also use SQUID to do HTTP proxy caching. -Intrusion detection further protecting your apartments. - Special request (at an additional charge) for other services, VPN's,etc. The best part about this setup is it has a low cost of entry and if someone wants to stop service with you, you can re-use their equipment for another apartment. You would be safe to charge 40-50 US dollars a month for this type of service, and you would be making money (depending on demand) after the equipment is paid for. It doesn't require much more than that. Furthermore, I know this setup works because I have done it before. Contrary to popular belief, you can strech these things about 16-18000 feet. This is SDSL service not ADSL. these connections are symmetrical and you get about 3/4 of a T1 worth of bandwidth running full bore both upstream and downstream. Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 16:50:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web10905.mail.yahoo.com (web10905.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.131.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3609337B71E for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bytehedd@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010325005022.13442.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [149.2.32.24] by web10905.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:50:22 PST Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:50:22 -0800 (PST) From: Anthony Volodkin Subject: Bridging on FreeBSD - lost data in packets! To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I've setup a bridge on a freebsd machine with 2 network cards, according the following document (except i just have one pass all rule in the ipfw, for testing purposes): http://people.freebsd.org/~nsayer/bdg-ipfw.txt . I plugged a computer (10Mbps nic) into one of the interfaces (100Mbps) with a crossover cable, and the other interface (100Mbps) of the bridge into the network. When i try to ping another machine from the network from the box behind the bridge, i don't get any replies. Occasionally though, the packets do get thru and i get a few replies (around 99% packet loss). I ran tcpdump on the bridge to see what can be wrong. Here's the line that caught my attention: 20:27:33.722272 truncated-ip - 38 bytes missing!10.10.9.111 > 10.10.8.24: icmp: echo request (DF) Same happens if i try to access a webserver or do other things, it loses a different amount of bytes every time though. Has anyone else had this problem before? Can this be happening because the machine behind the bridge has a 10Mbit nic while the bridge has 100Mbit cards? Any help is greatly appreciated Regards, Anthony Volodkin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 18:21:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF0537B719 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:21:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: from temp19 (modem-125-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.125]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA21725 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:16:26 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <043001c0b4d2$7a675ca0$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au> From: "Tim McCullagh" To: Subject: Wireless ISP Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:22:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Folks Is anyone on the list providing a wireless ISP Service. If so what sort of equipment are you using Cisco 802.11 Aeronet ? Breezcom Integrety Others How do you find your equipment? Would you recomend it? Anything to watch out for? thanks Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 19:24:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0ABB037B71E for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 71919 invoked by uid 1001); 25 Mar 2001 03:24:23 -0000 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:24:23 -0500 From: Pete Fritchman To: Tim McCullagh Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Wireless ISP Message-ID: <20010324222423.C71603@databits.net> References: <043001c0b4d2$7a675ca0$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <043001c0b4d2$7a675ca0$6500a8c0@halenet.com.au>; from timbo@halenet.com.au on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 12:22:42PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI, you might want to check out http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-wireless/. Great source on wireless internet for ISPs. -pete ++ 25/03/01 12:22 +1000 - Tim McCullagh: >Hi Folks > >Is anyone on the list providing a wireless ISP Service. > >If so what sort of equipment are you using > >Cisco 802.11 Aeronet ? > >Breezcom > >Integrety > >Others > >How do you find your equipment? >Would you recomend it? >Anything to watch out for? > >thanks > >Tim > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Mar 24 19:28:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from smtp012.mail.yahoo.com (smtp012.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF4F937B71E for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:28:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bytehedd@yahoo.com) Received: from d83b5f53.dsl.flashcom.net (HELO ghetto) (216.59.95.83) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2001 03:28:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <003b01c0b4db$86655800$0201a8c0@nonstandard.net> From: "Anthony Volodkin" To: Subject: Bridging on FreeBSD - loss of data in packets. Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Today I setup bridging on a Freebsd 4.2 machine with dual Intel EEPRO100s. Added the kernel option, set the sysctl variables, and setup ipfw to allow all traffic (got my info from here: http://people.freebsd.org/~nsayer/bdg-ipfw.txt ) Then i connected another machine to fxp1 via a crossover cable. Fxp0 is connected to the rest of the network. When I try to ping any machine on the other side of the bridge from the box behind it, most of my packets (149 of 150 pings) get lost. Occasionally a few make it through. I decided to tcpdump on the bridge to see if I can see anything unusual. Here's what grabbed my attention: 20:27:33.722272 truncated-ip - 38 bytes missing!10.10.9.1 > 10.10.9.2: icmp: echo request (DF) 20:27:59.511615 truncated-ip - 14 bytes missing!10.10.9.1.1887 > d83b5f53.dsl. flashcom.net.http: S 3132881080:3132881080(0) win 5840 (DF) There were LOTS of these from the 10.10.9.1, the box behind the router! I guess they are the reason its not working. The only reason I can think of is the fact that the box behind the bridge is equipped with a 10Mbit card while the bridge itself has 100Mbit cards. Has anyone else ever had this problem? What can I do to diagnose this further, or fix it? Any input is highly appreciated. Thanks! Anthony Volodkin http://non-standard.net/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message