From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 2:57:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dbtsvr1.dbtech.net (dbtsvr1.dbtech.net [204.214.208.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873A037B43C for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 02:57:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@dbtech.net) Received: from electro (electro.dbtech.net [204.214.208.243]) by dbtsvr1.dbtech.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA29006 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 04:58:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.20010527095743.00720c90@dbtech.net> X-Sender: dave@dbtech.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 04:57:43 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Dave Subject: Re: Freeside Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At the risk of being a "me too", I have to second the comments regarding OptiGold. We continually have problems with errors in creditcard batched posted paymnets. We have to manually check every entry - and often find errors. The database is indeed prone to corruption. It is also very slow. (returning to lurk mode) Dave At 09:21 PM 5/26/01 -0500, you wrote: >Hugh Blandford wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> email addresses aside. Has anyone looked at Optigold ISP from Digital Point >> Solutions as an alternative over Platypus? I would be interested in >> comments. >> >> http://www.digitalpoint.com/products/isp/ >> >> Thanks, >> >> Hugh >I cringe at the thought of it. It's awful. It won't scale, the database >is very easily corrupted, it lacks flexibility, and the support is >nearly useless. > >I'll spare the list my unsolicited testimonial and just say that >Platypus justifies the NT boxen on my network. >-- >Bob Martin, CTO >InterNet Unlimited >http://www.inu.net >mailto:bob@inu.net > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Sir, are you classified as human? "Ah, negative. I am a meat popsicle" +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 5:38: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-248.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DB737B424 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 05:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4RCbts89743; Sun, 27 May 2001 08:37:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 08:37:54 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Jorge Biquez Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advice on ISP services Please. Message-ID: <20010527083754.C89414@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3B104586.A643F9A9@buckhorn.net> <005201c0e64d$0c068cc0$0bdea8c0@island.net.au> <000d01c0e65b$c78d1be0$83a3ded1@hei.net> <5.0.2.1.2.20010526221708.02912720@icsmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010526221708.02912720@icsmx.com>; from jbiquez@icsmx.com on Sat, May 26, 2001 at 10:45:40PM -0500 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, May 26, 2001 at 10:45:40PM -0500, Jorge Biquez thus sprach: Others have answered you other questions. > - How to avoid users have access to telnet services. I've turned telnet off entirely on several machines I maintain. Only access is via 'ssh'. Do that in addition to using a non-existant shell. I like to use /usr/bin/false [habit from a long time ago]. /sbin/nologin is used but that gives you an 'account is currently not available message'. If you do run telnet you might think of putting -h after telentd in the inetd.conf file. This way you only find out what OS is running AFTER you complete the login. Giving as few hints as possible as to the OS and version is good practice IMO. Either of the above 'false' or 'nologin' do display the OS and version. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 8:38:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (imo-d08.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C58837B42C for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 08:38:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id e.d.154a3821 (25305); Sun, 27 May 2001 11:38:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:38:20 EDT Subject: Re: Freeside To: andy@xecu.net Cc: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 5/26/01 6:44:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andy@xecu.net writes: > This is tangential, but you do realize AIM works with AOL users, even if > you don't subscribe to AOL? I'm on AIM all the time...and I talk to my > parents, who use AOL (via TCP/IP, dialed up to Xecunet) all the time. > What is wrong with you? I use AOL mail. Deal with it. Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 9:14: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from intratec.com.mx (intratec.com.mx [200.33.246.239]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C7337B422; Sun, 27 May 2001 09:13:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbiquez@icsmx.com) Received: from mipc.intranet.com.mx (200.33.246.120) by intratec.com.mx with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 3.0.2); Sun, 27 May 2001 11:14:49 -0600 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20010527110806.01d6fd70@icsmx.com> X-Sender: jbiquez@icsmx.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:12:49 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@freebsd.org From: Jorge Biquez Subject: Re: Advice on ISP services Please. In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010526221708.02912720@icsmx.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all. Thanks to all for all your very good tips and advice on how to handle this. I'm studying your suggestion on the man pages to implement what we need as soon as possible. My friend thanks you all also: "Muchas gracias a todos por su ayuda, si podemos corresponder alguna vez por favor haganoslo saber" Thanks again for all your help. JB LSCA. Jorge Enrique Biquez Alvarez Consultant http://www.icsmx.com http://www.biquez.com jbiquez@icsmx.com jbiquez@yahoo.com Homero 1610 PB Col. Los Morales Polanco CP 11510 (frente a Pabellon Polanco) Mexico DF MEXICO Tels. +525 2821012, +525 2820779, +525 2820289 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 15: 2: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.covysoft.net (anaconda.covysoft.net [217.13.33.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB3F37B422 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pc2@mail.covysoft.net) Received: by anaconda.covysoft.net (CovySoft MTA, from userid 1051) id 03B7C46831; Mon, 28 May 2001 00:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:01:49 +0200 From: pc2@covysoft.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: uff Message-ID: <20010528000149.A22220@covysoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org uff To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 15: 3:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.covysoft.net (anaconda.covysoft.net [217.13.33.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B474837B423 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 15:03:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pc2@mail.covysoft.net) Received: by anaconda.covysoft.net (CovySoft MTA, from userid 1051) id 5A04146831; Mon, 28 May 2001 00:03:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:03:17 +0200 From: pc2@covysoft.net To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010528000317.B22220@covysoft.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-isp pc2@covysoft.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 21:20:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from systemadmin.sheltonbbs.com (mal-asc1-ppp02.sheltonbbs.com [63.102.142.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9B337B423 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 21:20:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from butch@sheltonbbs.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by systemadmin.sheltonbbs.com (8.11.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f4S4KtN13206; Sun, 27 May 2001 23:20:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from butch@sheltonbbs.com) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:20:52 -0500 (CDT) From: Butch Evans X-Sender: root@systemadmin.sheltonbbs.com To: Jorge Biquez Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Advice on ISP services Please. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010526221708.02912720@icsmx.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 26 May 2001, Jorge Biquez wrote: > - How to restrict the access of FTP to only the specified directory of the > user. And that they can not see other users directories. > - How to implement quotas with FTP so users only can have a limit on space. Look into Proftp for all ftp services. http://www.proftpd.net/ > - How to avoid users have access to telnet services. man inetd or check into xinetd http://www.synack.net/xinetd/ You may want to set up ssh as a means of access to the server for yourself. If you do want to allow access via telnet/ssh for users, you may want to look at "jail" (man jail). > - How to avoid that a script of a user can consume lot of resources and > could crash the machine. Not sure what you mean with this one. Though I believe that you can limit system resources via login classes. Is something like that what you mean? "man 5 login.conf" should give some details -- Butch Evans http://www.ChristInVerse.com/ http://www.HeIsComingSoon.com/ (in the works) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun May 27 22:52:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from dioda.ibe.si (dioda.ibe.si [194.249.225.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F97B37B620 for ; Sun, 27 May 2001 22:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damir.horvat@ibe.si) Received: from ibe.si ([172.16.11.170]) by dioda.ibe.si (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id HAA16322 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 07:53:27 +0200 Message-Id: <200105280553.HAA16322@dioda.ibe.si> Received: from IBE/SpoolDir by ibe.si (Mercury 1.44); 28 May 01 07:53:06 +1 Received: from SpoolDir by IBE (Mercury 1.44); 28 May 01 07:53:01 +1 From: "Damir Horvat" Organization: IBE To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 07:52:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Advice on ISP services Please. References: <5.0.2.1.2.20010526221708.02912720@icsmx.com> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27 May 01, at 23:20, Butch Evans wrote: > > - How to avoid that a script of a user can consume lot of resources > > and could crash the machine. > > Not sure what you mean with this one. Though I believe that you can > limit system resources via login classes. Is something like that what > you mean? "man 5 login.conf" should give some details I think there is also a way with PAM. Regards. Damir Computer analyst to programmer: "You start coding. I'll go find out what they want." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 28 9:39:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from wumpus.lan.edmarketing.com (djinn.edmarketing.com [209.167.170.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F88537B424 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 09:39:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from areid@wumpus.lan.edmarketing.com) Received: (from areid@localhost) by wumpus.lan.edmarketing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4SGcL904749; Mon, 28 May 2001 12:38:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from areid) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:38:20 -0400 From: Antoine Reid To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: andy@xecu.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freeside Message-ID: <20010528123820.A4148@wumpus.lan.edmarketing.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Bsdguru@aol.com on Fri, May 25, 2001 at 08:46:36PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 08:46:36PM -0400, Bsdguru@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/25/01 4:02:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andy@xecu.net > writes: [snip] > > What a snob! > > Actually, when you get 1000 messages a day, AOL mail is nice, particularly > when dialing up, because 1) all the message subjects are available with no > download and 2) they dont clutter my disk and 3) if i dont feel like getting > messages from a list for awhile I can easily block the domain and I'll never > see the messages. > > With Eudora it took 15 minutes just to get my mail, particularly on weekends. > So laugh all you want, Im happy with the setup. Oh oh, time to switch to IMAP :-> Cyrus is very efficient server-side, and you can do server-side filtering... Good clients will also use the IMAP search capabilities. > Bryan just my 2cents CDN Antoine -- | Antoine Reid | | System and Network Admin, Hanson Publications. | |-------------------------------------------------------| | One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, | | One IP to bring them all and in one zone, bind them. | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 28 9:45:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r03.mx.aol.com (imo-r03.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9470537B422 for ; Mon, 28 May 2001 09:45:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id 5.89.7533691 (3964); Mon, 28 May 2001 12:45:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: <89.7533691.2843daa5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:45:25 EDT Subject: Re: Freeside To: fluke@kernel-panic.net Cc: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 05/28/2001 12:39:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, fluke@kernel-panic.net writes: > Oh oh, time to switch to IMAP :-> > Cyrus is very efficient server-side, and you can do server-side filtering... > > Good clients will also use the IMAP search capabilities. > Why bother? I can just use AOL :-) Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 28 15: 6:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CEE37B423; Mon, 28 May 2001 15:06:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA10249; Mon, 28 May 2001 17:05:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma010217; Mon, 28 May 01 17:05:52 -0500 Message-ID: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 17:05:50 -0500 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christophe Prevotaux Cc: deepak@ai.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface References: <20010525140739.3fd000e8.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org IMO 622=OC12...perhaps I'm misled? Shouldn't OC48 be 2.488Gbps? Just checking... L: Christophe Prevotaux wrote: > > the Forerunner HE 622 ( STM16 ) 622Mbps requires a 64Bits slot > and there are no drivers for FreeBSD as of today , however > if you post in the atm@freebsd.org mailing list > you might get people to port their drivers or maybe you can port > the drivers > > In fact I need to use such a card too under FreeBSD > > There are alos several other cards I would like to be able to use > under FreeBSD like the prosum card > > http://www.prosum.fr > > these people are ready to support anyone who want to write a FreeBSD driver > for their hardware ( STM4 ) 155Mbps ATM adapter using IDT SAR > > On Thu, 24 May 2001 16:32:25 -0400 > "Deepak Jain" wrote: > > > > > I know the first thing everyone will say is "What about BUS speed, and what > > about packet copying overhead, etc." Let's say we've been there and done > > that. > > > > Lucent has server-based OC48/STM-16 cards. Any idea what they'd take to work > > in a BSD box? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Deepak Jain > > AiNET > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > -- > =================================================================== > Christophe Prevotaux Email: chris@hexanet.fr > HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ > Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 > 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 > BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 > 51689 Reims Cedex 2 > FRANCE > =================================================================== > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Laurence Berland Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 28 18:42: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from inet03.citec.qld.gov.au (inet03.citec.qld.gov.au [203.5.10.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850E837B422; Mon, 28 May 2001 18:41:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au) Received: by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au; id LAA09445; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:41:19 +1000 (EST) Received: from guru.citec.qld.gov.au( 147.132.22.88) by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xmaa09145; Tue, 29 May 01 11:41:11 +1000 Received: from localhost (sgcccdc@localhost) by guru.citec.qld.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA91477; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:41:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au) X-Authentication-Warning: guru.citec.qld.gov.au: sgcccdc owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:41:09 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Campbell To: Laurence Berland Cc: Christophe Prevotaux , , , Subject: Re: OC48 interface In-Reply-To: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Pedant alert! According to the book in front of me (ISP Survival Guide (Wiley) by Geoff Huston) The Synchronous Digital Hierarchy Level US International Mbps ------------------------------------------------------------- 1 OC-1 51.84 2 OC-3 STM-1 155.52 3 OC-9 STM-3 466.56 4 OC-12 STM-4 622.08 5 OC-18 STM-6 933.12 6 OC-24 STM-8 1244.16 8 OC-36 STM-12 1866.24 9 OC-48 STM-16 2488.32 10 OC-192 STM-64 9953.28 On Mon, 28 May 2001, Laurence Berland wrote: > IMO 622=OC12...perhaps I'm misled? > > Shouldn't OC48 be 2.488Gbps? Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon May 28 21:32:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-173.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.173]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A6737B424; Mon, 28 May 2001 21:32:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4T4VRd04268; Tue, 29 May 2001 00:31:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:31:26 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Colin Campbell Cc: Laurence Berland , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface Message-ID: <20010529003126.C3968@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:41:09AM +1000 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:41:09AM +1000, Colin Campbell thus sprach: > Hi, > > Pedant alert! According to the book in front of me (ISP Survival Guide > (Wiley) by Geoff Huston) > The Synchronous Digital Hierarchy > Level US International Mbps > ------------------------------------------------------------- > 1 OC-1 51.84 > 2 OC-3 STM-1 155.52 > 3 OC-9 STM-3 466.56 > 4 OC-12 STM-4 622.08 > 5 OC-18 STM-6 933.12 > 6 OC-24 STM-8 1244.16 > 8 OC-36 STM-12 1866.24 > 9 OC-48 STM-16 2488.32 > 10 OC-192 STM-64 9953.28 > However in the US [I don't know abou elsewhere] there is no OC-1. No OC-9, 18, 34, or 36. You will see OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 and OC-192. There is doubt that the OC-768 will have wide distribution - that about 40Gbs - because it's part of the SONET and TDM methods, it's not going to to see much acceptance. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 2:33: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jhs.muc.de (jhs.muc.de [193.149.49.84]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208F337B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 02:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@jhs.muc.de) Received: from park.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4SMvuc22835; Mon, 28 May 2001 22:57:56 GMT (envelope-from jhs@park.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200105282257.f4SMvuc22835@jhs.muc.de> To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: bv@wjv.com, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freeside In-Reply-To: Message from Bsdguru@aol.com of "Sat, 26 May 2001 11:47:43 EDT." <9a.14dd3669.28412a1f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:57:56 +0200 From: "Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs.muc.de" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bsdguru@aol.com, > Are you somehow implying that in order to post to this this I am obligated to > use FreeBSD as my mail client? If you _choose_ to avoid all BSD mail tools, that's rather suspect: BSD people generally use BSD where they can, & only use M$-Inc platform based stuff if constrained to no other choice. Some import personal BSD hosts to hang on the company net, rather than use MS stuff. ( But we're on majordomo@freebsd.org admin'd lists to discuss FreeBSD issues, which do not extend to opinions about MS/Mac based client mail binaries, unless BSD server protocol problems are referenced. ) Use your BSD Guru skills (&/or matching derived income), to try: - All of 4.3 & current /usr/ports/mail/* - Porting a better mail client to FreeBSD/ports/ from another OS, - Writing a better package for free source distribution, - Paying to a fund for someone else to write code for BSD, Unless perhaps you'r just a part time BSD user, & non contributor ? The name Bsdguru is suspect: I started Unix in 1977, (I'm certainly no guru, but) I've met/ know a few who one might call gurus, but I've met none who call _themselves_ gurus. Quote your resume URL referencing many BSD kernel hacks & packages contributed, BSD books written, & conference BSD tutorials lectured, to avoid the wide suspicion you are most probably a fake Guru. Criticising Bill Vermillion seems suspect: Don't you know he's a helpful asset on isp@ ? (He helped me among many others) Better that your postings be discouraged, rather than his. > Im just trying to do my job. We're not paid to help. Many read in their own time, not employer's time. A suspect fake Guru can attract more derision & less free help than a real name. Julian - Julian Stacey Unix Consultant - Munich Germany http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Kau/Schnupftabak probieren ! Like Linux ? Then also look at FreeBSD with its 5000+ packages ! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 5:30:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-79.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5062037B423 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 05:30:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4TCUov07073; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:30:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:30:49 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: isp@freebsd.org, jhs@jhs.muc.de Cc: Bsdguru@aol.com, bv@wjv.com, isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freeside Message-ID: <20010529083049.C6684@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <9a.14dd3669.28412a1f@aol.com> <200105282257.f4SMvuc22835@jhs.muc.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105282257.f4SMvuc22835@jhs.muc.de>; from jhs@jhs.muc.de on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 12:57:56AM +0200 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 12:57:56AM +0200, Julian Stacey Jhs@jhs.muc.de thus sprach: > Bsdguru@aol.com, > Criticising Bill Vermillion seems suspect: > Don't you know he's a helpful asset on isp@ ? (He helped me > among many others) Better that your postings be discouraged, > rather than his. I'm not easily discouraged after posting to Usenet newsgroups and mailing lists for Unix for the past 15 years. Thanks for the comment. As to your comments on gurus: The idea is that we all help each other. I know 3 or 4 whom I would call gurus' but they always deny that and point to someone else more knowledgable. One of those - years ago in SysV.3 - got so tired of the 'disappearing inodes' that plagued that release, that he finally disaseembled the vendor supplied kernel, and found the bug that those with the source code had been unable to find for 2 years. Then he built a binary patch and put on the 'net. To me, his is a guru, but he denies that he is. > We're not paid to help. Many read in their own time, not employer's time. A > suspect fake Guru can attract more derision & less free help than a real name. > > Julian > - > Julian Stacey Unix Consultant - Munich Germany http://bim.bsn.com/~jhs/ > Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Kau/Schnupftabak probieren ! > Like Linux ? Then also look at FreeBSD with its 5000+ packages ! > -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 8: 9: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (imo-r20.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EB637B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:09:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id 8.e4.15c15d4e (9819); Tue, 29 May 2001 11:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:08:26 EDT Subject: Re: Freeside To: jhs@jhs.muc.de Cc: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 05/29/2001 5:32:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jhs@jhs.muc.de writes: > > Are you somehow implying that in order to post to this I am obligated > to > > use FreeBSD as my mail client? > > If you _choose_ to avoid all BSD mail tools, that's rather suspect: > BSD people generally use BSD where they can, & only use M$-Inc > platform based stuff if constrained to no other choice. I think that your statement shows that you are incapable of making a rational decision, therefore diluting your opinion to the point of irrelevancy. Just because I CAN make is all work doesn't mean that I want to spend a lot of time getting BSD to do something that my windows box does naturally (the fact that I have to reboot it twice daily not withstanding). Anyone who thinks that 'BSD is a more powerful or useful desktop than windows isn't reasoning with a full deck. You can avoid cheeseburgers for religous reasons if you want, but don't criticize me because I enjoy them. Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 8:12: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r05.mx.aol.com (imo-r05.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2EE37B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:11:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-r05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id n.31.157fdfbc (9819) for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: <31.157fdfbc.2845162e@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:11:42 EDT Subject: Re: Freeside To: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 05/29/2001 8:31:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@wjv.com writes: > > Don't you know he's a helpful asset on isp@ ? (He helped me > > among many others) Better that your postings be discouraged, > > rather than his. > > I'm not easily discouraged after posting to Usenet newsgroups and > mailing lists for Unix for the past 15 years. Thanks for the > comment. > > As to your comments on gur so your logic is that because he helped you and he is knowledgable then he is therefore permitted to make assinine statements and not be subject to criticism? Very sound. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 8:14:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kermit.netivity.nl (wc-68.r-195-85-144.essentkabel.com [195.85.144.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A798637B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:14:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from enriko.groen@netivity.nl) Received: by KERMIT with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:14:48 +0200 Message-ID: <510EAC2065C0D311929200A0247252622F7743@NETIVITY-FS> From: Enriko Groen To: "'Bsdguru@aol.com'" , jhs@jhs.muc.de Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Freeside Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:16:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Bsdguru@aol.com [mailto:Bsdguru@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 17:08 > To: jhs@jhs.muc.de > Cc: isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Freeside > I think that your statement shows that you are incapable of > making a rational > decision, therefore diluting your opinion to the point of irrelevancy. Hellowah! Can this be over? Whenever did I join bsdguruornot-discussion@freebsd.org? personally Guru's make me think of bugging/crashing Amiga's (Guru Meditation), but that's totaly irrelevant. -- -------------------------------------------------------- netivity bv www.netivity.nl enriko.groen@netivity.nl 038 - 850 1000 van nagellstraat 4 8011 eb zwolle -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 8:18:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hex.databits.net (hex.databits.net [207.29.192.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AA9B337B423 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:18:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from petef@hex.databits.net) Received: (qmail 20632 invoked by uid 1001); 29 May 2001 15:18:09 -0000 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:18:09 -0400 From: Pete Fritchman To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Freeside Message-ID: <20010529111809.E4269@databits.net> References: <31.157fdfbc.2845162e@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <31.157fdfbc.2845162e@aol.com>; from Bsdguru@aol.com on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 11:11:42AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ picking a random post to reply to ] Can we all stop this bantering? There are two things about this thread: (1) bsdguru@aol.com may or may not be a "BSD Guru". I don't know, nor do I care and I don't see why *anybody* should really care. Was there really a need to point out the humor in this address on the mailing list? The person who did this must have known it was going to start something. Why do you want to see his resume? Are you interested in working for him? (By the way, I doubt he would want to work for you given your attitude.) (2) Not all BSD users are addicted to BSD like crack. So he uses AOL, so he uses Windows. Is there really a need to keep pointing it out over and over again? Now, not wanting to start a flamewar, BSD isn't the best solution for everybody on their desktop. Maybe it *can* do the same things Windows does, with tweaking. See archives of pretty much any BSD-related mailing list for the same discussion over and over. Do we have to have it again? Let's stop now. Thanks. -pete ++ 29/05/01 11:11 -0400 - Bsdguru@aol.com: | In a message dated 05/29/2001 8:31:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@wjv.com | writes: | | > > Don't you know he's a helpful asset on isp@ ? (He helped me | > > among many others) Better that your postings be discouraged, | > > rather than his. | > | > I'm not easily discouraged after posting to Usenet newsgroups and | > mailing lists for Unix for the past 15 years. Thanks for the | > comment. | > | > As to your comments on gur | | so your logic is that because he helped you and he is knowledgable then he is | therefore permitted to make assinine statements and not be subject to | criticism? Very sound. | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 8:21:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sunmail.evertek.net (evertek.net [167.142.171.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5B7237B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 08:21:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbumsted@evertek.net) Received: from ibmtp ([167.142.171.33]) by sunmail.evertek.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA23476; Tue, 29 May 2001 09:19:14 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jamie Bumsted" To: "Pete Fritchman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Freeside Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 10:19:12 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010529111809.E4269@databits.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here here! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Pete Fritchman Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:18 AM To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Freeside [ picking a random post to reply to ] Can we all stop this bantering? There are two things about this thread: (1) bsdguru@aol.com may or may not be a "BSD Guru". I don't know, nor do I care and I don't see why *anybody* should really care. Was there really a need to point out the humor in this address on the mailing list? The person who did this must have known it was going to start something. Why do you want to see his resume? Are you interested in working for him? (By the way, I doubt he would want to work for you given your attitude.) (2) Not all BSD users are addicted to BSD like crack. So he uses AOL, so he uses Windows. Is there really a need to keep pointing it out over and over again? Now, not wanting to start a flamewar, BSD isn't the best solution for everybody on their desktop. Maybe it *can* do the same things Windows does, with tweaking. See archives of pretty much any BSD-related mailing list for the same discussion over and over. Do we have to have it again? Let's stop now. Thanks. -pete ++ 29/05/01 11:11 -0400 - Bsdguru@aol.com: | In a message dated 05/29/2001 8:31:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@wjv.com | writes: | | > > Don't you know he's a helpful asset on isp@ ? (He helped me | > > among many others) Better that your postings be discouraged, | > > rather than his. | > | > I'm not easily discouraged after posting to Usenet newsgroups and | > mailing lists for Unix for the past 15 years. Thanks for the | > comment. | > | > As to your comments on gur | | so your logic is that because he helped you and he is knowledgable then he is | therefore permitted to make assinine statements and not be subject to | criticism? Very sound. | | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Pete Fritchman Databits Network Services, Inc. finger petef@databits.net for PGP key To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 10: 8:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D90E337B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 64273 invoked from network); 29 May 2001 17:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.73) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 29 May 2001 17:07:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3B13D6DC.5040201@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Log file rotation with Apache. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache without disrupting webalizer? I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I would like to resolve that problem. Thanks! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 10:12:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB61837B43C for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:12:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 42776 invoked by uid 106); 29 May 2001 17:13:32 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 29 May 2001 17:13:32 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "FreeBSD-ISP" , "Jan Knepper" Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:16:50 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <3B13D6DC.5040201@digitaldaemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. Message-Id: <20010529171239.CB61837B43C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer on *.log.resolve. -Simon On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: >Hi! > >Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache >without disrupting webalizer? > >I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, >but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can >reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I >would like to resolve that problem. > >Thanks! >Jan > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 10:20: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4AC6E37B62F for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 64617 invoked from network); 29 May 2001 17:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.73) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 29 May 2001 17:18:47 -0000 Message-ID: <3B13D9D2.5060100@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:18:10 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. References: <20010529171239.CB61837B43C@hub.freebsd.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070805010904050409080309" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------070805010904050409080309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files. What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log files. I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen any problems with that yet. What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache log files without having to touch apache. Jan Simon wrote: > What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer on *.log.resolve. > > -Simon > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache >> without disrupting webalizer? >> >> I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, >> but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can >> reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I >> would like to resolve that problem. >> >> Thanks! >> Jan >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > --------------070805010904050409080309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files.
What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log files.
I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen any problems with that yet.

What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache log files without having to touch apache.

Jan



Simon wrote:
What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer on *.log.resolve.

-Simon

On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote:

Hi!

Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache 
without disrupting webalizer?

I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, 
but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can 
reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I 
would like to resolve that problem.

Thanks!
Jan


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--------------070805010904050409080309-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 10:26:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CA1837B443 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 10:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 43991 invoked by uid 106); 29 May 2001 17:27:22 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 29 May 2001 17:27:22 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Jan Knepper" Cc: "FreeBSD-ISP" Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:30:40 -0400 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <3B13D9D2.5060100@digitaldaemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_29527792=_=_=_" Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. Message-Id: <20010529172629.7CA1837B443@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_29527792=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How often do you run webalizer? i doubt there is a way to rotate the log files without touching apache. It won't know what to do once the log file is gone. If you simply rename and then compress, apache will still append to the same file and will therefore corrupt it. -Simon --Original Message Text--- From: Jan Knepper Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:18:10 -0400 Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files. What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log files. I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen any problems with that yet. What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache log files without having to touch apache. Jan Simon wrote: What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer on *.log.resolve. -Simon On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: Hi! Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache without disrupting webalizer? I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I would like to resolve that problem. Thanks! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message --_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_29527792=_=_=_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
How often do you run webalizer? i doubt there is a way to
rotate the log files without touching apache. It won't know
what to do once the log file is gone. If you simply rename
and then compress, apache will still append to the same
file and will therefore corrupt it.

-Simon

--Original Message Text---
From: Jan Knepper
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:18:10 -0400

Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files.
What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log files.
I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen any problems with that yet.

What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache log files without having to touch apache.

Jan



Simon wrote:
What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer on *.log.resolve.

-Simon

On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote:

Hi!

Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache
without disrupting webalizer?

I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best,
but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can
reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I
would like to resolve that problem.

Thanks!
Jan


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--_=_=_=IMA.BOUNDARY.HTML_29527792=_=_=_-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 11:17:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6348837B423 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:17:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 66893 invoked from network); 29 May 2001 18:16:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.73) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 29 May 2001 18:16:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3B13E743.2010407@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:15:31 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090804080808040507050203" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------090804080808040507050203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I run webalizer once a day on low trafic domains and every hour on higher traffic domains or domains that require it. Actually, I had checked http://www.apache.org/ and found that the apache log can be "piped" into a log file handler. Just search for "log file rotation". I also figured that newsyslog can be used in some way since newsyslog is able to send a signal to a process after completion all it would need to so send a "kill -1" to the apache process it just trimmed a log file for. I just wondered if anyone else had battled this problem as I would think almost all of us here are running apache and sooner or later will have to take care of the log files.... Jan Simon wrote: > > How often do you run webalizer? i doubt there is a way to > rotate the log files without touching apache. It won't know > what to do once the log file is gone. If you simply rename > and then compress, apache will still append to the same > file and will therefore corrupt it. > > -Simon > > --Original Message Text--- > From: Jan Knepper > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:18:10 -0400 > > Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files. > What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log > files. > I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen > any problems with that yet. > > What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache > log files without having to touch apache. > > Jan > > > > Simon wrote: > What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run > webalizer on *.log.resolve. > > -Simon > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: > > Hi! > > Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache > without disrupting webalizer? > > I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, > but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can > reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I > would like to resolve that problem. > > Thanks! > Jan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > --------------090804080808040507050203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I run webalizer once a day on low trafic domains and every hour on higher traffic domains or domains that require it.

Actually, I had checked http://www.apache.org/ and found that the apache log can be "piped" into a log file handler. Just search for "log file rotation".

I also figured that
newsyslog can be used in some way since newsyslog is able to send a signal to a process after completion all it would need to so send a "kill -1" to the apache process it just trimmed a log file for.

I just wondered if anyone else had battled this problem as I would think almost all of us here are running apache and sooner or later will have to take care of the log files....

Jan



Simon wrote:

How often do you run webalizer? i doubt there is a way to
rotate the log files without touching apache. It won't know
what to do once the log file is gone. If you simply rename
and then compress, apache will still append to the same
file and will therefore corrupt it.

-Simon

--Original Message Text---
From: Jan Knepper
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:18:10 -0400

Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files.
What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log files.
I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen any problems with that yet.

What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache log files without having to touch apache.

Jan



Simon wrote:
What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer on *.log.resolve.

-Simon

On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote:

Hi!

Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache
without disrupting webalizer?

I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best,
but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can
reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I
would like to resolve that problem.

Thanks!
Jan


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--------------090804080808040507050203-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 11:18:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-63-205-16-205.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [63.205.16.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D50537B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@encontacto.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f4TII3u66182; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:18:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@encontacto.net) From: Edwin Culp Received: from 63.205.16.202 ( [63.205.16.202]) as user eculp@encontacto.net by Mail.CafeMania.Net with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:18:02 -0700 Message-ID: <991160282.3b13e7da2d2c4@Mail.CafeMania.Net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:18:02 -0700 To: Jan Knepper Cc: Simon , FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. References: <20010529171239.CB61837B43C@hub.freebsd.org> <3B13D9D2.5060100@digitaldaemon.com> In-Reply-To: <3B13D9D2.5060100@digitaldaemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 63.205.16.202 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Probably a bit simplistic but it has worked for me for a long time. I just run it out of crontab everynight at 11:59 and it doesn't touch apache. #!/bin/sh DATE=`date +%Y%m%d` LOGFILES="httpd-access.log httpd-error.log LOGDIR="/var/log" for i in $LOGFILES do cp /$LOGDIR/$i /$LOGDIR/$i.$DATE >/$LOGDIR/$i /usr/bin/gzip /$LOGDIR/$i.$DATE done Of course you can build on this.:-) ed Quoting Jan Knepper : > Well what I want to solve is the size of the log files. > What I remember from the Webalizer docco is that it will scan .gz log > files. > I run Apache and Webalizer on the same .log files and have not seen any > problems with that yet. > > What my current problem is is that I would like to rotate the apache log > files without having to touch apache. > > Jan > > > > Simon wrote: > > > What we do is rename *.log to *.log.resolve, restart apache, run webalizer > on *.log.resolve. > > > > -Simon > > > > On Tue, 29 May 2001 13:05:32 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache > >> without disrupting webalizer? > >> > >> I have tried to just run newsyslog on them as I would like this best, > >> but Apache seems to stop logging after the first trim. I know I can > >> reset Apache with a "kill -1", but don't think that's exactly the way I > >> would like to resolve that problem. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Jan > >> > >> > >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn and relearn. --Alvin Toffler To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 11:55: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5182837B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 11:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id c.3b.154c7fb9 (4411); Tue, 29 May 2001 14:54:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: <3b.154c7fb9.28454a62@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 14:54:26 EDT Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. To: jan@digitaldaemon.com Cc: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 05/29/2001 1:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jan@digitaldaemon.com writes: > Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache > without disrupting webalizer? Just use the signal option and everything will continue along smoothly. /usr/local/www/logs/access_log 644 5 8000 * - /usr/local/ww w/logs/httpd.pid do it on a timed basis to sync with webalizer. I usually do it by size. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 13:14:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B30FE37B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:14:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 70994 invoked from network); 29 May 2001 20:13:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.73) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 29 May 2001 20:13:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3B14025E.9040304@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:11:10 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. References: <3b.154c7fb9.28454a62@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020707030605020806010409" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------020707030605020806010409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the reply! This indeed is what I was looking for! I thought it might work this way, just wanted to make sure someone had tried something like this before! Thanks! Jan Bsdguru@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/29/2001 1:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jan@digitaldaemon.com writes: > >> Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache >> without disrupting webalizer? > > > Just use the signal option and everything will continue along smoothly. > > /usr/local/www/logs/access_log 644 5 8000 * - /usr/local/ww > w/logs/httpd.pid > > do it on a timed basis to sync with webalizer. I usually do it by size. > > > --------------020707030605020806010409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the reply!
This indeed is what I was looking for! I thought it might work this way, just wanted to make sure someone had tried something like this before!

Thanks!
Jan



Bsdguru@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 05/29/2001 1:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jan@digitaldaemon.com writes:

Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache 
 without disrupting webalizer?

Just use the signal option and everything will continue along smoothly.

/usr/local/www/logs/access_log    644  5     8000 *     -    /usr/local/ww
w/logs/httpd.pid

do it on a timed basis to sync with webalizer. I usually do it by size.




--------------020707030605020806010409-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 13:27:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D69E37B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 71725 invoked from network); 29 May 2001 20:26:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.73) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 29 May 2001 20:26:55 -0000 Message-ID: <3B1405EA.6030407@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:26:18 -0400 From: Jan Knepper User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Using DNS/bind for external and internal IP-block. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Currently I'v got DNS (bind) running for my primary and secundary IP-block which works great. However, now I came up with the idea of also DNS'ing the internal network 192.168.x.x. By itself no problem, but how do I setup bind in such a way that everything related to the 192.168.x.x. block stays inside the local network. Worse, I would like to use: .domain.ext, .domain.ext, etc. for the machines on the local network while domain.ext points to a public IP address. Any ideas? Thanks! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 13:31:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52BAA37B43F; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:31:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA12051; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:31:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: from confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma011534; Tue, 29 May 01 15:30:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3B1406F2.E4DCBD0F@confusion.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:30:42 -0500 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Colin Campbell , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface References: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> <20010529003126.C3968@wjv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > However in the US [I don't know abou elsewhere] there is no OC-1. > No OC-9, 18, 34, or 36. > > You will see OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 and OC-192. There is doubt > that the OC-768 will have wide distribution - that about 40Gbs - > because it's part of the SONET and TDM methods, it's not going to > to see much acceptance. > > Bill /me, who isn't as familiar with SONET as he'd like to be, doesn't understand why OC-768 will not be used when it becomes needed. What am I missing? TIA, -- Laurence Berland Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 13:45:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [205.134.163.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CC637B424; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:45:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Received: from blood (adsl-138-88-46-113.bellatlantic.net [138.88.46.113]) by aries.ai.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14103; Tue, 29 May 2001 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Reply-To: From: "Deepak Jain" To: "Laurence Berland" , Cc: "Colin Campbell" , "Christophe Prevotaux" , , Subject: RE: OC48 interface Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:48:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3B1406F2.E4DCBD0F@confusion.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Unless Bill is suggesting one of the proposed Ethernet standards as taking priority (in the FreeBSD world) over OC-768, I am not sure what he means. The trend to use GigE over OC12, even in metro-area networks is evident and could be extrapolated. My opinion is that by the time anything > 10GB/s is seeing wide spread implementation (18-24months out, conservatively) the same chipset will support SONET or ethernet and it'll really be an end users preference. Lucent showed the world that OC48 did not need to be a premium chipset. Cisco and others used to charge > $100,000 per card for OC48, at the same time Lucent's set was rumored < $500.00 in quantity (that is a decimal point, not a comma). Deepak Jain AiNET -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Laurence Berland Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 4:31 PM To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Colin Campbell; Christophe Prevotaux; deepak@ai.net; questions@FreeBSD.ORG; isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface Bill Vermillion wrote: > However in the US [I don't know abou elsewhere] there is no OC-1. > No OC-9, 18, 34, or 36. > > You will see OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 and OC-192. There is doubt > that the OC-768 will have wide distribution - that about 40Gbs - > because it's part of the SONET and TDM methods, it's not going to > to see much acceptance. > > Bill /me, who isn't as familiar with SONET as he'd like to be, doesn't understand why OC-768 will not be used when it becomes needed. What am I missing? TIA, -- Laurence Berland Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 13:46:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCDB37B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:46:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA23838 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:46:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma023555; Tue, 29 May 01 15:46:10 -0500 Message-ID: <3B140A8F.2036FDEB@confusion.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:46:07 -0500 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Good BGP related tools for FreeBSD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, I'm looking for some tools for FreeBSD or any UNIX that will work like traceroute etc on a cisco. Basically, ways to determine the AS of a hop, an aspath output, etc. I know I can use the looking glass at n.d.n but it'd be cool/nice/interesting to have them as a cli. TIA< -- Laurence Berland Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 13:54:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from support.euronet.nl (support.euronet.nl [194.134.32.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5570F37B43F for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 13:54:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frans@quanza.net) Received: from localhost (franst@localhost) by support.euronet.nl (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4TKs7498954; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: support.euronet.nl: franst owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:54:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Frans ter Borg X-Sender: franst@support.euronet.nl To: Laurence Berland Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Good BGP related tools for FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3B140A8F.2036FDEB@confusion.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 May 2001, Laurence Berland wrote: > I'm looking for some tools for FreeBSD or any UNIX that will > work like traceroute etc on a cisco. Basically, ways to determine the > AS of a hop, an aspath output, etc. I know I can use the looking > glass at n.d.n but it'd be cool/nice/interesting to have them as a > cli. You can download a version of traceroute that will do AS lookups per hop from ftp://ftp.ripe.net/tools/traceroute.tar.Z Have fun, Frans To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 15:26:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2727E37B506; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f4TNgFO45882; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:42:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:42:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Colin Campbell , Laurence Berland , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface In-Reply-To: <20010529003126.C3968@wjv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 May 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > The Synchronous Digital Hierarchy > > > Level US International Mbps > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1 OC-1 51.84 > > 2 OC-3 STM-1 155.52 > > 3 OC-9 STM-3 466.56 > > 4 OC-12 STM-4 622.08 > > 5 OC-18 STM-6 933.12 > > 6 OC-24 STM-8 1244.16 > > 8 OC-36 STM-12 1866.24 > > 9 OC-48 STM-16 2488.32 > > 10 OC-192 STM-64 9953.28 > > > > However in the US [I don't know abou elsewhere] there is no OC-1. No > OC-9, 18, 34, or 36. An OC-1 is an STS-1 (DS3 with sonet info) equivalent, only optical. Bill is correct about not having 9,18,34..etc because you can carve those out of a bigger OC-3,12,48 pipe down to the VT1.5 (DS1) granularity (on most transport platforms). > > You will see OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 and OC-192. There is doubt that the > OC-768 will have wide distribution - that about 40Gbs - because it's > part of the SONET and TDM methods, it's not going to to see much > acceptance. What will be seen in the data world is 10Gb Ethernet which is equivalent to an OC-192. 10Gb Ethernet should not use SONET technology but plug directly into your WDM system taking a lambda. Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 15:54:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [205.134.163.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C7937B422; Tue, 29 May 2001 15:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Received: from blood (adsl-138-88-46-113.bellatlantic.net [138.88.46.113]) by aries.ai.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA19652; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:54:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Reply-To: From: "Deepak Jain" To: "Nick Rogness" , Cc: "Colin Campbell" , "Laurence Berland" , "Christophe Prevotaux" , , Subject: RE: OC48 interface Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:58:16 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org An OC-1 is an STS-1 (DS3 with sonet info) equivalent, only optical. Bill is correct about not having 9,18,34..etc because you can carve those out of a bigger OC-3,12,48 pipe down to the VT1.5 (DS1) granularity (on most transport platforms). Most platforms above OC12 do not go below OC3 or DS3, but some newer ones do. The vast installed base of OC12 and OC48 muxes (Lucent, Fujitsu) do not. > > You will see OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 and OC-192. There is doubt that the > OC-768 will have wide distribution - that about 40Gbs - because it's > part of the SONET and TDM methods, it's not going to to see much > acceptance. What will be seen in the data world is 10Gb Ethernet which is equivalent to an OC-192. 10Gb Ethernet should not use SONET technology but plug directly into your WDM system taking a lambda. This is ignoring 10GbE over copper, but its the same idea. The WDM gear will support both OC192 and 1/10 GbE. Gear from Sycamore supports 1GbE and POSIP/SONET in the same box. Deepak Jain AiNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 17: 5:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-146.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FD037B424; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:05:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4U05K711197; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:05:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 20:05:19 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Laurence Berland Cc: bv@wjv.com, Colin Campbell , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface Message-ID: <20010529200519.B11016@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> <20010529003126.C3968@wjv.com> <3B1406F2.E4DCBD0F@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B1406F2.E4DCBD0F@confusion.net>; from stuyman@confusion.net on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 03:30:42PM -0500 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 03:30:42PM -0500, Laurence Berland thus sprach: > > > > > However in the US [I don't know abou elsewhere] there is no OC-1. > > No OC-9, 18, 34, or 36. > > > > You will see OC-3, OC-12, OC-48 and OC-192. There is doubt > > that the OC-768 will have wide distribution - that about 40Gbs - > > because it's part of the SONET and TDM methods, it's not going to > > to see much acceptance. > > > > Bill > /me, who isn't as familiar with SONET as he'd like to be, doesn't > understand why OC-768 will not be used when it becomes needed. > What am I missing? I'm still learning all this too but from what I've read the opinions are the OC-768 won't happen because SONET is a TDM [Time Division Multiplexing] method and carries a lot of overhead with it. Speeds will be there, but it just won't be SONET. I remember sitting through some tutorials about 2 years ago - and Ciena was calling all the SONET upgrades 'fork lift upgrades' because it doesn't upgrade that well. It makes sense. I know that were I have some machines located [in a Level 3 facility] they say their goal is to drop all SONET and become a pure IP transport. If I'm mis-understanding this, please let me know. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 17:38:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B576337B423 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 17:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id qbjbaaaa for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 10:37:27 +1000 Message-ID: <3B144171.E6B1463@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:40:17 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Knepper Cc: FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re: Using DNS/bind for external and internal IP-block. References: <3B1405EA.6030407@digitaldaemon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Knepper wrote: > > Hi! > > Currently I'v got DNS (bind) running for my primary and secundary > IP-block which works great. > However, now I came up with the idea of also DNS'ing the internal > network 192.168.x.x. By itself no problem, but how do I setup bind in > such a way that everything related to the 192.168.x.x. block stays > inside the local network. > Worse, I would like to use: .domain.ext, > .domain.ext, etc. for the machines on the local network while > domain.ext points to a public IP address. > > Any ideas? I dont know about doing it with bind, but djbdns might be able to do something like that... There was an artical in Daemon news about it recently, I dont remember exactly what it was about, but I seem to recall it was doing something like you want... There are a few web sites about it: Dan Bernstein's djbdns homepage http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html Unoffical homepage http://www.djbdns.org FAQ http://www.fefe.de/djbdns/ Good luck! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 18:31:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from phoncella.outreachnetworks.com (adsl-dynamic35-169.detroit.mi.ameritech.net [64.108.244.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B01F37B43F for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 18:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ehoward@phoncella.outreachnetworks.com) Received: (from ehoward@localhost) by phoncella.outreachnetworks.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4U1VZp19618 for isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:31:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 21:31:35 -0400 From: "Eric L. Howard" To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Good BGP related tools for FreeBSD Message-ID: <20010529213135.D18707@outreachnetworks.com> Mail-Followup-To: isp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3B140A8F.2036FDEB@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from frans@quanza.net on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 10:54:06PM +0200 X-FavoriteScripture: Romans 8:18 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At a certain time, now past, Frans ter Borg spake thusly: > On Tue, 29 May 2001, Laurence Berland wrote: > > > I'm looking for some tools for FreeBSD or any UNIX that will > > work like traceroute etc on a cisco. Basically, ways to determine the > > AS of a hop, an aspath output, etc. I know I can use the looking > > glass at n.d.n but it'd be cool/nice/interesting to have them as a > > cli. > > You can download a version of traceroute that will do AS lookups per > hop from ftp://ftp.ripe.net/tools/traceroute.tar.Z > or 'cd /usr/ports/net/traceroute' 'make install' if you've got the ports tree installed. ~ELH~ -- Eric L. Howard e l h @ o u t r e a c h n e t w o r k s . c o m ---------------------------------------------------------------------- www.OutreachNetworks.com 313.297.9900 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 19:51: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from cody.jharris.com (cody.jharris.com [205.238.128.83]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E07537B423; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:50:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Received: from localhost (nick@localhost) by cody.jharris.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f4U47bF47248; Tue, 29 May 2001 23:07:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nick@rogness.net) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 23:07:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Nick Rogness X-Sender: nick@cody.jharris.com To: Deepak Jain Cc: bv@wjv.com, Colin Campbell , Laurence Berland , Christophe Prevotaux , questions@FreeBSD.ORG, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: OC48 interface In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 29 May 2001, Deepak Jain wrote: > > > An OC-1 is an STS-1 (DS3 with sonet info) equivalent, only > optical. Bill is correct about not having 9,18,34..etc because > you can carve those out of a bigger OC-3,12,48 pipe down to the > VT1.5 (DS1) granularity (on most transport platforms). > > Most platforms above OC12 do not go below OC3 or DS3, but some newer ones > do. The vast installed base of OC12 and OC48 muxes (Lucent, Fujitsu) do not. This is true in the long-haul...but not in metro platforms. Cisco's 15454, Nortel's OPTerra 3500 are just 2 out of the many multi-service platforms that range from DS1-OC48 in the same box. But I guess each vendor has "the right way to do things" or so they all think. Anyway...this thread is way off topic...I'm going to try to restrain myself. Sorry for the OT post again. Nick Rogness - Keep on Routing in a Free World... "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 19:57: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from ns.morning.ru (ns.morning.ru [195.161.98.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A8F37B423 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 19:56:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from poige@morning.ru) Received: from NIC1 ([195.161.98.236]) by ns.morning.ru (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA37543; Wed, 30 May 2001 10:56:38 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from poige@morning.ru) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:56:52 +0700 From: Igor Podlesny X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/7) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Organization: Morning Network X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <166166640816.20010530105652@morning.ru> To: Kal Torak Cc: Jan Knepper , FreeBSD-ISP Subject: Re[2]: Using DNS/bind for external and internal IP-block. In-Reply-To: <3B144171.E6B1463@quake.com.au> References: <3B1405EA.6030407@digitaldaemon.com> <3B144171.E6B1463@quake.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BIND supports multiple views... > Jan Knepper wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> Currently I'v got DNS (bind) running for my primary and secundary >> IP-block which works great. >> However, now I came up with the idea of also DNS'ing the internal >> network 192.168.x.x. By itself no problem, but how do I setup bind in >> such a way that everything related to the 192.168.x.x. block stays >> inside the local network. >> Worse, I would like to use: .domain.ext, >> .domain.ext, etc. for the machines on the local network while >> domain.ext points to a public IP address. >> >> Any ideas? > I dont know about doing it with bind, but djbdns might be able to do something > like that... > There was an artical in Daemon news about it recently, I dont remember exactly > what it was about, but I seem to recall it was doing something like you want... > There are a few web sites about it: > Dan Bernstein's djbdns homepage > http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html > Unoffical homepage > http://www.djbdns.org > FAQ > http://www.fefe.de/djbdns/ > Good luck! > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Igor mailto:poige@morning.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 20:48:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hecky.it.northwestern.edu (hecky.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267BA37B424 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 20:48:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stuyman@confusion.net) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by hecky.it.northwestern.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA24103; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from confusion.net (dhcp089069.res-hall.nwu.edu [199.74.89.69]) by hecky.acns.nwu.edu via smap (V2.0) id xma023976; Tue, 29 May 01 22:47:58 -0500 Message-ID: <3B146D6C.E4EE89F6@confusion.net> Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:47:56 -0500 From: Laurence Berland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Colin Campbell , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface References: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> <20010529003126.C3968@wjv.com> <3B1406F2.E4DCBD0F@confusion.net> <20010529200519.B11016@wjv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bill Vermillion wrote: > I'm still learning all this too but from what I've read the opinions > are the OC-768 won't happen because SONET is a TDM [Time Division > Multiplexing] method and carries a lot of overhead with it. AFAIK TDM isn't frowned upon all that much. It carries overhead as far as someone needing to provide clock, but it seems like the best way to make truly separate channels in the same band on the same fibre/pair/transmitter area. Or CDM, I suppose. Ethernetish technologies are better, IMHO, for things where you just want a big fat pipe. I guess this is why bandwidth ppl like it, but for traditional telco stuff you might want sonet. > > Speeds will be there, but it just won't be SONET. I remember > sitting through some tutorials about 2 years ago - and Ciena > was calling all the SONET upgrades 'fork lift upgrades' because it > doesn't upgrade that well. I'm guessing this has to do with the timeslices getting smaller, but I really don't know enough to say (if anyone wants an intern who will work for cheap, loves unix, and wants to learn all the crazy network stuff, please email me!!!). > > It makes sense. I know that were I have some machines located [in > a Level 3 facility] they say their goal is to drop all SONET and > become a pure IP transport. I assume by IP u mean ethernet or some similar technology with IP running on it, or am I being dense again. > > If I'm mis-understanding this, please let me know. > I think we're both on the right track. I wish I had more experience in all this... > Bill > -- Laurence Berland Northwestern '04 stuyman@confusion.net http://www.isp.northwestern.edu/~laurence "The world has turned and left me here" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 21:10:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-146.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D984037B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 21:10:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4U49wr51638; Wed, 30 May 2001 00:09:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:09:57 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Laurence Berland Cc: bv@wjv.com, Colin Campbell , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface Message-ID: <20010530000957.D51041@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3B12CBBE.567B1A8D@confusion.net> <20010529003126.C3968@wjv.com> <3B1406F2.E4DCBD0F@confusion.net> <20010529200519.B11016@wjv.com> <3B146D6C.E4EE89F6@confusion.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B146D6C.E4EE89F6@confusion.net>; from stuyman@confusion.net on Tue, May 29, 2001 at 10:47:56PM -0500 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, May 29, 2001 at 10:47:56PM -0500, Laurence Berland thus sprach: > > Bill Vermillion wrote: > > I'm still learning all this too but from what I've read the opinions > > are the OC-768 won't happen because SONET is a TDM [Time Division > > Multiplexing] method and carries a lot of overhead with it. > AFAIK TDM isn't frowned upon all that much. It carries overhead > as far as someone needing to provide clock, but it seems like the > best way to make truly separate channels in the same band on the > same fibre/pair/transmitter area. Or CDM, I suppose. Ethernetish > technologies are better, IMHO, for things where you just want a > big fat pipe. I guess this is why bandwidth ppl like it, but for > traditional telco stuff you might want sonet. Absolutely - but we have the 'circuit switched' tradition in telco. A certain cell is associated with a certain link. The electrical equivalnet of pictures form the early days of telco with poles with dozens of cross-bars and hundreds of wires. Separate channels is indeed a ciruit switched philophy. But the world is moving rapidly to packet-switch, but telcos have a lot of SONET infrastructure. I rember the first data muxes I saw - pure TDM - four channels of 2400 each on a 9600 line. It only took a few years for statistically multiplexing to replace that. ATM is more like that and, and with the really high speeds coming you should be able to get enough data to be ensure packets enough so it would be the same as TDM. > > Speeds will be there, but it just won't be SONET. I remember > > sitting through some tutorials about 2 years ago - and Ciena > > was calling all the SONET upgrades 'fork lift upgrades' because it > > doesn't upgrade that well. > I'm guessing this has to do with the timeslices getting smaller, > but I really don't know enough to say (if anyone wants an intern > who will work for cheap, loves unix, and wants to learn all the > crazy network stuff, please email me!!!). I'm envisoning a lot of empty cells as the speed get higher - but the big growth is appearing to be in things that want wide highspeed bandwidth. DS3's dedicated to a continuing video stream are getting to be much cheaper and reliable than a satellite feed for continous broadcast use. You surely don't need SONET for that. > > It makes sense. I know that were I have some machines located [in > > a Level 3 facility] they say their goal is to drop all SONET and > > become a pure IP transport. > I assume by IP u mean ethernet or some similar technology with IP > running on it, or am I being dense again. I'm assuming a lot will be ATM. Ethernot has a lot of overhead too. I'm just getting my feet wet there, and I've got a DSL link coming up next week - and it's ATM. PPoA. If it were PPoE you'd enacapsulate the Ethernet in the ATM and do the reverse at the far end. Native mode makes more sens. > > If I'm mis-understanding this, please let me know. > I think we're both on the right track. I wish I had more > experience in all this... I'm just learning this too so if I'm wrong somebody please correct me in a hurry. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue May 29 22:33:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0F037B422 for ; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 154yRH-0006mu-00; Tue, 29 May 2001 22:22:35 -0700 Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 22:22:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Laurence Berland , Colin Campbell , Christophe Prevotaux , deepak@ai.net, isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface In-Reply-To: <20010530000957.D51041@wjv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 May 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > I'm still learning all this too but from what I've read the opinions > > > are the OC-768 won't happen because SONET is a TDM [Time Division > > > Multiplexing] method and carries a lot of overhead with it. > > > AFAIK TDM isn't frowned upon all that much. It carries overhead > > as far as someone needing to provide clock, but it seems like the > > best way to make truly separate channels in the same band on the > > same fibre/pair/transmitter area. Or CDM, I suppose. Ethernetish > > technologies are better, IMHO, for things where you just want a > > big fat pipe. I guess this is why bandwidth ppl like it, but for > > traditional telco stuff you might want sonet. > > Absolutely - but we have the 'circuit switched' tradition in telco. > A certain cell is associated with a certain link. The electrical > equivalnet of pictures form the early days of telco with poles with > dozens of cross-bars and hundreds of wires. Separate channels is > indeed a ciruit switched philophy. But the world is moving rapidly > to packet-switch, but telcos have a lot of SONET infrastructure. Telcos want to move to packet switching, because they want to oversubscribe the network capacity. At the end of the day, many people want guarrenteed dedicated bandwidth. I see the use of SONET increasing. POS (packet over sonet) links are more and more common on the various backbone providers. Basically POS is PPP over Sonet. SONET is much simpler than ethernet, so it requires PPP for IP encapsulation. The efficiency of such links is very high. Much better than ATM. ... > > > It makes sense. I know that were I have some machines located [in > > > a Level 3 facility] they say their goal is to drop all SONET and > > > become a pure IP transport. > > > I assume by IP u mean ethernet or some similar technology with IP > > running on it, or am I being dense again. > > I'm assuming a lot will be ATM. Ethernot has a lot of overhead > too. I'm just getting my feet wet there, and I've got a DSL link > coming up next week - and it's ATM. PPoA. If it were PPoE you'd > enacapsulate the Ethernet in the ATM and do the reverse at the far > end. Native mode makes more sens. ATM has tons of overhead. About 10 to 15% usually. Ethernet is pretty light in comparision. PPP is basically nothing in comparison. Long haul links are expensive, and most backbones are switching to POS. ATM is disappearing on many backbone networks. Some backbone providers (ie. Teleglobe) refuses to put any IP over ATM. ATM is in significant decline. I'm aware of some regional IP providers who are phasing out all ATM links in favour of PPP links (POS, DS3, etc.). All the OC192 router interfaces that Cisco and Juniper make today are POS, not ATM. I'm sure that Cisco and Juniper are going to be all over OC768 POS too. ATM makes sense for DSL, because usually people want DSLAMs to be simple, so they make the ATM network do the work. I've worked on direct bridged DSL (ethernet over ATM) and PPPoE (PPP over ethernet over ATM) network. The biggest problem with DSL is not the bandwidth, but getting the DSLAM traffic to the IP network. Paying another 5% overhead seems small in comparsion to how difficult your ILEC/CLEC might make this for you. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 2: 5:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrdp.com (harp.dublin.wrdp.net [212.147.130.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0AFB37B424 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 02:05:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jraftery@wrdp.com) Received: from jraftery (jraftery.dublin.wrdp.net [172.16.4.52]) by mail.wrdp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CD9CB2D786 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:05:05 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <005801c0e8e7$9f262320$340410ac@jraftery> From: "James Raftery" To: "FreeBSD-ISP" References: <3B1405EA.6030407@digitaldaemon.com> <3B144171.E6B1463@quake.com.au> Subject: Re: Using DNS/bind for external and internal IP-block. Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 10:05:06 +0100 Organization: Worldport Communications Inc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BIND 9 and tinydns, the authoritative server from djbdns, support giving different answers to DNS clients based on source IP address. Read up on "views" for BIND 9 and see http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/faq/tinydns.html#differentiation for tinydns. Regards, james ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kal Torak" To: "Jan Knepper" Cc: "FreeBSD-ISP" Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:40 AM Subject: Re: Using DNS/bind for external and internal IP-block. > I dont know about doing it with bind, but djbdns might be able to do something > like that... > > There was an artical in Daemon news about it recently, I dont remember exactly > what it was about, but I seem to recall it was doing something like you want... > > There are a few web sites about it: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 5:54: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CCE37B423 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 05:54:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1555UE-0001Oc-00; Wed, 30 May 2001 14:54:06 +0200 Received: from b858a.pppool.de ([213.7.133.138] helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1555UE-0007gD-00; Wed, 30 May 2001 14:54:06 +0200 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4UBKxZ04269; Wed, 30 May 2001 13:21:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200105301121.f4UBKxZ04269@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 13:20:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. To: jan@digitaldaemon.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3B13D6DC.5040201@digitaldaemon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 29 Mai, Jan Knepper wrote: > Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache > without disrupting webalizer? man rotatelogs (it comes with apache) Bye, Alexander. -- The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 9:32: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from venus.Sun.COM (venus.Sun.COM [192.9.25.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221CC37B422 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:32:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pgatz@mysun.com) Received: from custmail.sun.com (custmail.sun.com [192.18.97.201]) by venus.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24300 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mysun.com ([127.0.0.1]) by custmail.sun.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GE5PIM00.B6X; Wed, 30 May 2001 10:23:10 -0600 From: "Peter Gatsoulis" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: suppt@eth1.com Reply-To: pg@eth1.com Message-ID: <1fd161b08b.1b08b1fd16@mysun.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:23:10 -0700 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: multi-link 2 dedicated dialups via router X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not an ISP but I have 2 locations location1 has frac T1 via router to the internet. location1 has FBSD4.3 box which needs to be configured to use 2 dialtone lines (2 modems) to call location2 box. location2 has FBSD4.3 box which needs to be configured to wait for location1's calls on both its incoming modem lines These calls s/ be multilinked to increase bandwidth The calls should dial again continously 24x7 if either connection drops Only location1 will dial INTO location2 Preferably no passwds just a "quik" login to connect together also location2 should HANGUP quickly if wrong number ... only location1 box will ever dial these dedicated phone numbers into location2 Routing; the few Windoze98 desktops @location2 will need to be routed to the internet via location2's LAN, via location2 FBSD box to location1 FBSD box to location1's router and finally out the router which is designated at location1 as the default gateway. Any suggestions, comments to make life easier ?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 9:33:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from home.cg.nu (home.cg.nu [213.196.2.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1018B37B422 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:33:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henk@home.cg.nu) Received: from kpnlep (netfreak.xs4all.nl [213.84.69.96]) by home.cg.nu (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B8D915919D; Wed, 30 May 2001 18:33:22 +0200 (CEST) From: "Henk Wevers" To: "Alexander Leidinger" , Cc: Subject: RE: Log file rotation with Apache. Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:33:21 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <200105301121.f4UBKxZ04269@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The correct way could be In the /etc/newsyslog.conf logfilename owner.group mode count size time [ZB] [/pid_file] [sig_num] /var/log/httpd-access.log 664 14 * 168 Z /var/run/httpd.pid 1 Henk -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Alexander Leidinger Sent: woensdag 30 mei 2001 13:21 To: jan@digitaldaemon.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. On 29 Mai, Jan Knepper wrote: > Does any of you know about a "clean" way to do log file for Apache > without disrupting webalizer? man rotatelogs (it comes with apache) Bye, Alexander. -- The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 9:55:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700F737B422 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 09:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id LAA05775; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:55:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-16.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.16) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma005769; Wed May 30 11:54:49 2001 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20010530114026.031d3d40@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:54:17 -0500 To: Jan Knepper , FreeBSD-ISP From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Using DNS/bind for external and internal IP-block. In-Reply-To: <3B1405EA.6030407@digitaldaemon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 04:26 PM 5/29/01 -0400, Jan Knepper wrote: >Hi! > >Currently I'v got DNS (bind) running for my primary and secundary IP-block >which works great. >However, now I came up with the idea of also DNS'ing the internal network >192.168.x.x. By itself no problem, but how do I setup bind in such a way >that everything related to the 192.168.x.x. block stays inside the local >network. Use the allow-query feature for the zone to only allow local address to the in-addr zone. >Worse, I would like to use: .domain.ext, .domain.ext, >etc. for the machines on the local network while domain.ext points to a >public IP address. Not quite sure what you want here. You could delegate a subdomain to an internal DNS server and restrict that. Don't think the granularity of control allows for records, but allow-query could be used for the subdomain's zone. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 10: 4:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DBB37B43C for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 10:04:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4UH59F74585; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:05:14 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:05:09 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: pg@eth1.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: multi-link 2 dedicated dialups via router In-Reply-To: <1fd161b08b.1b08b1fd16@mysun.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This question probably should have been posted to the freebsd-questions. This isn't really an ISP question, and it would be seen by more people. On Wed, 30 May 2001, Peter Gatsoulis wrote: > I have 2 locations ... > location1 has frac T1 via router to the internet. ... > location2 has FBSD4.3 box which needs to be configured to wait for > location1's calls on both its incoming modem lines > > These calls s/ be multilinked to increase bandwidth > The calls should dial again continously 24x7 if either connection drops > Only location1 will dial INTO location2 Sounds like a straightforward job for ppp. Take a good read through the manpage (by typing man ppp), as well as the handbook, which has a few appropriate sections on setting up PPP. There are also the various example configuration files located in: /usr/share/examples/ppp > Preferably no passwds just a "quik" login to connect together > also location2 should HANGUP quickly if wrong number ... only location1 > box will ever dial these dedicated phone numbers into location2 Always use at least passwords. :) Just set the same: set authname MyUserName set authkey MyPassword on both ends of the connection. This will make it at least slightly more difficult for someone to break in through that connection. > Routing; the few Windoze98 desktops @location2 will need to be routed > to the internet via location2's LAN, via location2 FBSD box to > location1 FBSD box to location1's router and finally out the router > which is designated at location1 as the default gateway. Sounds straightforward. Again, have a good read through the output of 'man ppp' and the example config files, then give it a try. If you have any problems with specifics, please don't hesitate to fire off a question to FreeBSD-questions, and we'll be glad to help! Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 11:23:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from luke.cpl.net (luke.cpl.net [63.169.72.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7081537B422; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shawn@cpl.net) Received: from Shawn100 (shawn.office.cpl.net [63.169.72.34]) by luke.cpl.net (8.11.3/8.11.3/check_local4.1) with SMTP id f4UINBq76234; Wed, 30 May 2001 11:23:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Filter: check_local@luke.cpl.net by digitalanswers.org Message-ID: <009201c0e935$5e5e49f0$2248a93f@Shawn100> From: "Shawn Ramsey" To: Cc: Subject: ATM WAN Adapter? Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 11:21:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know if there are any WAN adapters with an ATM interface with FreeBSD drivers? Something like the SDLComm 1050 WANic. Unfortunetly, there are no FreeBSD drivers for that card. In fact, the Linux drivers are not even done yet from what I understand... Is there any other card to similar to this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 12:47: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBD637B422; Wed, 30 May 2001 12:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rix@estpak.ee) Received: from estpak.ee (unknown [194.126.126.5]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE8422D0B; Wed, 30 May 2001 21:46:44 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3B154E1D.6104198A@estpak.ee> Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 21:46:37 +0200 From: rivo nurges X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Ramsey Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? References: <009201c0e935$5e5e49f0$2248a93f@Shawn100> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------msCB73609E817727B1F0101AD4" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------msCB73609E817727B1F0101AD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > Does anyone know if there are any WAN adapters with an ATM interface with > FreeBSD drivers? Something like the SDLComm 1050 WANic. Unfortunetly, there > are no FreeBSD drivers for that card. In fact, the Linux drivers are not > even done yet from what I understand... Is there any other card to similar > to this? from 4.3 relnotes - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters - Efficient Networks, Inc. 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Then just cache everthing else...you could sertainly limit domain transfers to that server only on said domains and even set up a replicating schedule to make you maintenance a bit easier... cheers, mikel Mark Drayton wrote: > Nick Rogness (nick@rogness.net) wrote: > > On Tue, 22 May 2001, Mark Drayton wrote: > > > > > Recently I set up a caching only nameserver at work which all our > > > office machines, servers and dialup customers use for resolution > > > instead of our two authoritative nameservers. A few days ago our > > > internet connection went down, meaning that the caching nameserver > > > couldn't get to the root nameservers and therefore couldn't resolve > > > anything it didn't have cached. As it couldn't get to the root > > > servers it also couldn't answer any queries for zones that we are > > > authoritative for (even though the authoritative namesevers are on > > > the same network). > > > > > > The end result of this was that customers who dialled into us > > > couldn't see our site or pick up their mail as the caching > > > nameserver wouldn't resolve the hostnames of the web/mail servers. > > > > One solution maybe to add your authoritative name servers as > > forwarders in your caching only server config. > > If I do that won't the caching servers pass *all* requests to the > authoritative servers (unless it has a valid answer cached)? One og the > reasons I'm setting up the caching servers is to take the load off of > the authoritative servers. Ultimately I don't want the authoritative > servers to answer recursive queries. > > I was looking through the BIND docs and it appears I can define 'forward > zones' with their own list of forwarders that override the global > forwarders {} statement. I might try configuring the caching namesever > with forward zones for all our zones to pass the requests to our > authoritative servers. Any problems with this setup? > > > No, caching nameserver should get the info directly if it is not > > cached locally, plain and simple. The TTL for that record on the > > caching nameserver will take affect after it has been cached locally > > on the caching nameserver. > > Hm, it seems to be working now... > > Cheers, > > -- > > Mark Drayton > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 14:32:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [205.134.163.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAACF37B422 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 14:32:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Received: from blood (adsl-138-88-49-91.bellatlantic.net [138.88.49.91]) by aries.ai.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29422; Wed, 30 May 2001 17:32:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Reply-To: From: "Deepak Jain" To: "Tom Samplonius" , Cc: "Laurence Berland" , "Colin Campbell" , "Christophe Prevotaux" , Subject: RE: OC48 interface Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 17:36:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Tom Samplonius [mailto:tom@sdf.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:22 AM To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Laurence Berland; Colin Campbell; Christophe Prevotaux; deepak@ai.net; isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface On Wed, 30 May 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > > > I'm still learning all this too but from what I've read the opinions > > > are the OC-768 won't happen because SONET is a TDM [Time Division > > > Multiplexing] method and carries a lot of overhead with it. > > > AFAIK TDM isn't frowned upon all that much. It carries overhead > > as far as someone needing to provide clock, but it seems like the > > best way to make truly separate channels in the same band on the > > same fibre/pair/transmitter area. Or CDM, I suppose. Ethernetish > > technologies are better, IMHO, for things where you just want a > > big fat pipe. I guess this is why bandwidth ppl like it, but for > > traditional telco stuff you might want sonet. > > Absolutely - but we have the 'circuit switched' tradition in telco. > A certain cell is associated with a certain link. The electrical > equivalnet of pictures form the early days of telco with poles with > dozens of cross-bars and hundreds of wires. Separate channels is > indeed a ciruit switched philophy. But the world is moving rapidly > to packet-switch, but telcos have a lot of SONET infrastructure. Telcos want to move to packet switching, because they want to oversubscribe the network capacity. At the end of the day, many people want guarrenteed dedicated bandwidth. I see the use of SONET increasing. --- The theory of telco-style multiplexing (simplified) is the following. I can sell 2000 1mb/s pipes and have 700 mb/s of capacity and NEVER deny any packet to anyone. This means no increased latency and no packet drops. The ISP-style of multiplexing (aka oversubscribing) is similar to the following. I will sell 20 1mb/s pipes when I have 10mb/s of capacity. The problem is that usage patterns don't become statistically predictable below a certain point and therefore while the ISP is sold at only 50% of capacity, he may be at 90+% utilization all the time. In the telco model, its almost never that way. Until you throw data sessions in. Then usage patterns grow. Multiplexing is still beneficial for end-user traffic, but generally not on core<>core traffic. --- POS (packet over sonet) links are more and more common on the various backbone providers. Basically POS is PPP over Sonet. SONET is much simpler than ethernet, so it requires PPP for IP encapsulation. The efficiency of such links is very high. Much better than ATM. --- SONET is a physical layer protocol that (when implemented) can provide switching around cut fiber in sub milliseconds. There is no such thing as native IP over Fiber, but POSIP is the closet thing we have. IP has no extension that can tell you if a link is up or not. -- ... > > > It makes sense. I know that were I have some machines located [in > > > a Level 3 facility] they say their goal is to drop all SONET and > > > become a pure IP transport. > > > I assume by IP u mean ethernet or some similar technology with IP > > running on it, or am I being dense again. > > I'm assuming a lot will be ATM. Ethernot has a lot of overhead > too. I'm just getting my feet wet there, and I've got a DSL link > coming up next week - and it's ATM. PPoA. If it were PPoE you'd > enacapsulate the Ethernet in the ATM and do the reverse at the far > end. Native mode makes more sens. ATM has tons of overhead. About 10 to 15% usually. Ethernet is pretty light in comparision. PPP is basically nothing in comparison. Long haul links are expensive, and most backbones are switching to POS. ATM is disappearing on many backbone networks. Some backbone providers (ie. Teleglobe) refuses to put any IP over ATM. ATM is in significant decline. I'm aware of some regional IP providers who are phasing out all ATM links in favour of PPP links (POS, DS3, etc.). All the OC192 router interfaces that Cisco and Juniper make today are POS, not ATM. I'm sure that Cisco and Juniper are going to be all over OC768 POS too. ATM makes sense for DSL, because usually people want DSLAMs to be simple, so they make the ATM network do the work. I've worked on direct bridged DSL (ethernet over ATM) and PPPoE (PPP over ethernet over ATM) network. The biggest problem with DSL is not the bandwidth, but getting the DSLAM traffic to the IP network. Paying another 5% overhead seems small in comparsion to how difficult your ILEC/CLEC might make this for you. Tom --- Keep in mind that ATM is very good with multiplexing and QoS because it has a very high IP overhead (~30% in the real-IP world). Since you are definitely oversubscribing in a DSLAM case, this helps make sure everyone gets enough bandwidth to be happy, and the heaviest users get curbed the most when needed. ATM connections have other advantages like having a cell cloud where you can have multiple DSLAMs in multiple cities and connect to that cloud via a single entrance per ISP. If a single company were doing all the DSLAMs the cost would be no better than a single point-to-point from each CO to the datacenter. Since multiple ISPs provide DSL service to the same set of DSLAMs, its either FR or ATM, and FR is generally provided over ATM anyway nowadays. Deepak Jain AiNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 15:16:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-147.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.147]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DD537B42C for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 15:16:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4UMGVQ00542; Wed, 30 May 2001 18:16:31 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:16:30 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Deepak Jain Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OC48 interface Message-ID: <20010530181630.A501@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from deepak@ai.net on Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:36:14PM -0400 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:36:14PM -0400, Deepak Jain thus sprach: > > SONET is a physical layer protocol that (when implemented) can > provide switching around cut fiber in sub milliseconds. Nice when it works. We lost our DS3 for about 18 hours 2 weeks ago. Seventeen OC-48 links were cut. When we asked the about the self-healing, they said, normally it would, but not with the many gone. They couldn't get permission to dig up the road so that had to patch around, that made the repair take twice as long. And two days later, before they could the patched section buried, a truck took the same 17 out one more time. They were running overhead. Local politics I assume kept them from doing it the right way the first time. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 15:24:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [205.134.163.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A9637B424 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 15:24:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Received: from blood (adsl-138-88-49-91.bellatlantic.net [138.88.49.91]) by aries.ai.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08427; Wed, 30 May 2001 18:24:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Reply-To: From: "Deepak Jain" To: Cc: Subject: RE: OC48 interface Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:28:19 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20010530181630.A501@wjv.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Bill Vermillion Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:17 PM To: Deepak Jain Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:36:14PM -0400, Deepak Jain thus sprach: > > SONET is a physical layer protocol that (when implemented) can > provide switching around cut fiber in sub milliseconds. Nice when it works. We lost our DS3 for about 18 hours 2 weeks ago. Seventeen OC-48 links were cut. When we asked the about the self-healing, they said, normally it would, but not with the many gone. -- This happens when (if actually implemented as a ring), the Service and Protect are in the same fiber run. Sort of pointless with physical cuts. That is a problem with the user, not the technology. -- They couldn't get permission to dig up the road so that had to patch around, that made the repair take twice as long. And two days later, before they could the patched section buried, a truck took the same 17 out one more time. They were running overhead. Local politics I assume kept them from doing it the right way the first time. --- You must be dealing with a CLEC or an IXC. RBOCs can open emergency permits without prior authorization. They are considered a utility and a vital public service. Competitors are not. Deepak Jain AiNET -- Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 15:59:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (dhcp-1-4.n01.orldfl01.us.ra.verio.net [157.238.210.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B41E37B422 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 15:59:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bill@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4UMxau01016; Wed, 30 May 2001 18:59:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bill) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 18:59:35 -0400 From: Bill Vermillion To: Deepak Jain Cc: bv@wjv.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OC48 interface Message-ID: <20010530185935.A967@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <20010530181630.A501@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from deepak@ai.net on Wed, May 30, 2001 at 06:28:19PM -0400 Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 06:28:19PM -0400, Deepak Jain thus sprach: > > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:36:14PM -0400, Deepak Jain thus sprach: > > SONET is a physical layer protocol that (when implemented) can > > provide switching around cut fiber in sub milliseconds. > > Nice when it works. We lost our DS3 for about 18 hours 2 weeks > ago. Seventeen OC-48 links were cut. When we asked the about the > self-healing, they said, normally it would, but not with the many > gone. > This happens when (if actually implemented as a ring), the > Service and Protect are in the same fiber run. Sort of pointless > with physical cuts. That is a problem with the user, not the > technology. > -- > > They couldn't get permission to dig up the road so that had to > patch around, that made the repair take twice as long. And two > days later, before they could the patched section buried, a truck > took the same 17 out one more time. They were running overhead. > > Local politics I assume kept them from doing it the right way the > first time. > You must be dealing with a CLEC or an IXC. RBOCs can open > emergency permits without prior authorization. They are considered > a utility and a vital public service. Competitors are not. I suspect you may have heard of them. Fairly large. One of the Baby Bells that covers the 9 southern states - Bell South. But digging up hiways in Orlando with our miserable traffic problem is not something the local governments are going to permit in daylight hours. They could not dig up the street - they had to go overhead. Our DS3 was in that link from BS and I guess there are about 20 feet or more of racks with Lucent Max units in them for AOL. My guesstimate is about 35,000 modems. I have no idea, but I suspect 10-15K AOL users lost connectivity. About 1/2 of those are back-hauled in from another city. There is so much contruction going on in this area fibre cuts are becoming a way of life. OTOH there is more fiber going into the ground than I can any use for. Sprint ran some across the street - about 40 feet away - just two months ago. Then two weeks ago I see 4 or 5 more conduits going in the ground. That was an AT&T run and talking with the crew a pedestal is coming soon. And this is in a residential area and Bell South ran through the lawn in front of my house on this side of the street 18 months ago. Be thankful that you don't have to deal with two major carriers who have exclusive franchies in adjoing parts of the metro area. Pure hell. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 19:44:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [204.244.213.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0AE37B422 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 19:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 155IHz-0000zN-00; Wed, 30 May 2001 19:34:19 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 19:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Deepak Jain , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OC48 interface In-Reply-To: <20010530181630.A501@wjv.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 May 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:36:14PM -0400, Deepak Jain thus sprach: > > > > > SONET is a physical layer protocol that (when implemented) can > > provide switching around cut fiber in sub milliseconds. > > Nice when it works. We lost our DS3 for about 18 hours 2 weeks > ago. Seventeen OC-48 links were cut. When we asked the about the > self-healing, they said, normally it would, but not with the many > gone. I find it funny when people put redundant links right next to the circuit it is protected. Bundles get cut, not individual fibres. The whole idea of self healing ring, is that the redundant fibres be run somewhere else entirely. I know that AT&T Canada put a ring in recently nearby. The two paths are at least a 100 kilometres apart for most of the distance. When it enters the destination city, each path should be in a separate conduit running down different streets. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed May 30 22:15:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aries.ai.net (aries.ai.net [205.134.163.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EA237B424 for ; Wed, 30 May 2001 22:15:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Received: from blood (adsl-138-88-72-27.dc.adsl.bellatlantic.net [138.88.72.27]) by aries.ai.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA04478; Thu, 31 May 2001 01:15:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from deepak@ai.net) Reply-To: From: "Deepak Jain" To: "Tom Samplonius" , Cc: Subject: RE: OC48 interface Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----Original Message----- From: Tom Samplonius [mailto:tom@sdf.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:34 PM To: bv@wjv.com Cc: Deepak Jain; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OC48 interface On Wed, 30 May 2001, Bill Vermillion wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:36:14PM -0400, Deepak Jain thus sprach: > > > > > SONET is a physical layer protocol that (when implemented) can > > provide switching around cut fiber in sub milliseconds. > > Nice when it works. We lost our DS3 for about 18 hours 2 weeks > ago. Seventeen OC-48 links were cut. When we asked the about the > self-healing, they said, normally it would, but not with the many > gone. I find it funny when people put redundant links right next to the circuit it is protected. Bundles get cut, not individual fibres. The whole idea of self healing ring, is that the redundant fibres be run somewhere else entirely. I know that AT&T Canada put a ring in recently nearby. The two paths are at least a 100 kilometres apart for most of the distance. When it enters the destination city, each path should be in a separate conduit running down different streets. Tom ---- While AT&T Canada may build the ring correctly, there is no telling what will happen to that ring in a year or two. They could split the ring to double their capacity, or companies who lease capacity could lease it in just one path. Companies that buy circuits from the lessor would be screwed in the event of a cut. But I guess everyone already knows this... Deepak Jain AiNET To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 2:55:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from freak.rural (speedfreak.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55B037B42C; Thu, 31 May 2001 02:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Received: from freak (locahost.rural [127.0.0.1]) by freak.rural (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f4V9sxg01424; Thu, 31 May 2001 11:54:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:54:59 +0200 From: Christophe Prevotaux To: rivo nurges Cc: shawn@cpl.net, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? Message-Id: <20010531115459.7167328d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> In-Reply-To: <3B154E1D.6104198A@estpak.ee> References: <009201c0e935$5e5e49f0$2248a93f@Shawn100> <3B154E1D.6104198A@estpak.ee> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.62 (GTK+ 1.2.8; i386--freebsd4.3) Organization: HEXANET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 May 2001 21:46:37 +0200 rivo nurges wrote: > Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if there are any WAN adapters with an ATM interface with > > FreeBSD drivers? Something like the SDLComm 1050 WANic. Unfortunetly, there > > are no FreeBSD drivers for that card. In fact, the Linux drivers are not > > even done yet from what I understand... Is there any other card to similar > > to this? > from 4.3 relnotes > > - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters > - Efficient Networks, Inc. ENI-155p ATM PCI Adapters > > -- > rix > http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/whois?rix@estpak.ee these are not produced anymore AFAIK -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: chris@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 51689 Reims Cedex 2 FRANCE =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 4:35:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8E437B423; Thu, 31 May 2001 04:35:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rix@estpak.ee) Received: from estpak.ee (anarchy.estpak.ee [194.126.115.55]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id F406722D4A; Thu, 31 May 2001 13:35:17 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <3B162C71.7A4F312E@estpak.ee> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:35:13 +0200 From: rivo nurges X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christophe Prevotaux , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? References: <009201c0e935$5e5e49f0$2248a93f@Shawn100> <3B154E1D.6104198A@estpak.ee> <20010531115459.7167328d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christophe Prevotaux wrote: > > - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters > > - Efficient Networks, Inc. ENI-155p ATM PCI Adapters > these are not produced anymore AFAIK Maybe, but i know because i have one FORE card. -- rix http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/whois?rix@estpak.ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 5:12:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C65937B423; Thu, 31 May 2001 05:12:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from d7k (matrix.aspenworks.com [216.38.199.82]) by aspenworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA59318; Thu, 31 May 2001 06:11:35 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <03a801c0e9ca$c6de0ac0$1900a8c0@d7k> From: "Alex Huppenthal" To: "Christophe Prevotaux" , "rivo nurges" Cc: , , References: <009201c0e935$5e5e49f0$2248a93f@Shawn100><3B154E1D.6104198A@estpak.ee> <20010531115459.7167328d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:11:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That strange, we just bought a bunch of PCA200's. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe Prevotaux" To: "rivo nurges" Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:54 AM Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? > On Wed, 30 May 2001 21:46:37 +0200 > rivo nurges wrote: > > > Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know if there are any WAN adapters with an ATM interface with > > > FreeBSD drivers? Something like the SDLComm 1050 WANic. Unfortunetly, there > > > are no FreeBSD drivers for that card. In fact, the Linux drivers are not > > > even done yet from what I understand... Is there any other card to similar > > > to this? > > from 4.3 relnotes > > > > - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters > > - Efficient Networks, Inc. ENI-155p ATM PCI Adapters > > > > -- > > rix > > http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/whois?rix@estpak.ee > > these are not produced anymore AFAIK > > > -- > =================================================================== > Christophe Prevotaux Email: chris@hexanet.fr > HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ > Z.A Farman Sud Tel: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 05 > 9 rue Roland Coffignot Direct: +33 (0)3 26 79 08 02 > BP415 Fax: +33 (0)3 26 79 30 06 > 51689 Reims Cedex 2 > FRANCE > =================================================================== > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 5:16:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from aspenworks.com (aspenworks.com [192.94.236.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5060337B422; Thu, 31 May 2001 05:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Received: from d7k (matrix.aspenworks.com [216.38.199.82]) by aspenworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA59374; Thu, 31 May 2001 06:16:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from alex@aspenworks.com) Message-ID: <03b401c0e9cb$634ac010$1900a8c0@d7k> From: "Alex Huppenthal" To: "Christophe Prevotaux" , "rivo nurges" Cc: , , References: <009201c0e935$5e5e49f0$2248a93f@Shawn100><3B154E1D.6104198A@estpak.ee> <20010531115459.7167328d.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:15:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's a link to suppliers of the OC3 PCA-200E card in the US. http://shopper.cnet.com/shopping/resellers/0-7085-311-134006.html?tag=st.sh. sr.mp.pr134006 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe Prevotaux" To: "rivo nurges" Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 3:54 AM Subject: Re: ATM WAN Adapter? > On Wed, 30 May 2001 21:46:37 +0200 > rivo nurges wrote: > > > Shawn Ramsey wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know if there are any WAN adapters with an ATM interface with > > > FreeBSD drivers? Something like the SDLComm 1050 WANic. Unfortunetly, there > > > are no FreeBSD drivers for that card. In fact, the Linux drivers are not > > > even done yet from what I understand... Is there any other card to similar > > > to this? > > from 4.3 relnotes > > > > - FORE Systems, Inc. PCA-200E ATM PCI Adapters > > - Efficient Networks, Inc. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 6:58:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7314837B423 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 06:58:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Alexander@leidinger.net) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 155Sxx-0005lZ-00; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:58:21 +0200 Received: from b8442.pppool.de ([213.7.132.66] helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 155Sxx-0004rq-00; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:58:21 +0200 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4VBlkO03592; Thu, 31 May 2001 13:47:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200105311147.f4VBlkO03592@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:47:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. To: henk@home.cg.nu Cc: jan@digitaldaemon.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 30 Mai, Henk Wevers wrote: [my previous message was about "rotatelogs" which comes with apache] > The correct way could be > In the /etc/newsyslog.conf > > logfilename owner.group mode count size time [ZB] [/pid_file] > [sig_num] > /var/log/httpd-access.log 664 14 * 168 Z > /var/run/httpd.pid 1 Why send a signal to apache (and interrupt it), if you are able to do it without it (SIGHUP closes currently open connections)? There are even superior replacements for rotatelogs, if the available featureset isn't enough for you (it wasn't for me, so I hacked in something (e.g. automatically [gb]zipping the rotated file and a human readable date format) some time ago). Bye, Alexander. -- I believe the technical term is "Oops!" http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 7:57:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from Thanatos.Shenton.Org (a3.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82CBD37B423 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 07:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 47643 invoked by uid 1000); 31 May 2001 14:57:45 -0000 To: "Simon" Cc: "Jan Knepper" , "FreeBSD-ISP" Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. References: <20010529172629.7CA1837B443@hub.freebsd.org> From: Chris Shenton Date: 31 May 2001 10:57:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20010529172629.7CA1837B443@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <87ofs94lcm.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Simon" writes: > How often do you run webalizer? i doubt there is a way to > rotate the log files without touching apache. It won't know > what to do once the log file is gone. If you simply rename > and then compress, apache will still append to the same > file and will therefore corrupt it. The supplied "rotatelogs" program is very useful: the logs get piped through it and rotated automatically. The latest release has features to provide more human-friendly naming of rotated log files, and IIRC, more control over when rotation occurs. This means you don't have to stop/start or kill -HUP your daemon, a *major* win. Here's the doc: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/programs/rotatelogs.html Here's how I'm using it on one site (names changed): # Now that I'm using a CustomLog which includes the virtual server # name:port, we can distinguish accesses in the single log file. # Unfortunately we can't do this with ErrorLog, so use separate files # distinguised by filename. Automatically rotate them every 24 hours # to keep size in check. ServerName testing.shenton.org ServerAdmin cshenton@shenton.org DocumentRoot /usr/local/www/data ErrorLog "|/usr/local/www/bin/rotatelogs /usr/local/www/logs/testing.shenton.org:8203_error 86400" CustomLog "|/usr/local/www/bin/rotatelogs /usr/local/www/logs/access_log 86400" virtual I too am curious if webalizer can deal with this: can I just point it at my current log file (access_log) as well as the rotated ones with the UNIX timestamp-suffix? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 12: 9: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5062937B422 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 12:08:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id n.f7.aba48dc (3965) for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:08:49 EDT Subject: Gigabit Card of choice? To: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the gigabit card of choice for FreeBSD? Anyone passing some serious traffic through (over 300Mb/s regularly)? Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 12:30: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from seed.pacific.net.sg (seed.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592BF37B422 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 12:29:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@sg.freebsd.org) Received: from pop2.pacific.net.sg (pop2.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.86]) by seed.pacific.net.sg with ESMTP id f4VJTsg15158; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:29:55 +0800 (SGT) Received: from evilfry (spoff99.pacific.net.sg [203.120.94.99]) by pop2.pacific.net.sg with SMTP id DAA03720; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:29:54 +0800 (SGT) Message-ID: <007b01c0ea08$2444cae0$635e78cb@evilfry> From: "James Lim" To: , References: Subject: Re: Gigabit Card of choice? Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 03:30:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi , The hardware compatibility list has some to start with. Alteon Networks PCI Gigabit Ethernet NICs based on the Tigon 1 and Tigon 2 chipsets, including the following: 3Com 3c985-SX (Tigon 1 and 2) Alteon AceNIC 1000baseSX (Tigon 1 and 2) Alteon AceNIC 1000baseT (Tigon 2) DEC/Compaq EtherWORKS 1000 Farallon PN9000SX NEC Gigabit Ethernet Netgear GA620 (Tigon 2) Netgear GA620T (Tigon 2, 1000baseT) Silicon Graphics Gigabit Ethernet regards, James ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:08 AM Subject: Gigabit Card of choice? > What is the gigabit card of choice for FreeBSD? Anyone passing some serious > traffic through (over 300Mb/s regularly)? > > Bryan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 15: 0: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.104]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE6337B422 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Bsdguru@aol.com) Received: from Bsdguru@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.22.) id n.3c.c74ebac (4242) for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 17:59:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bsdguru@aol.com Message-ID: <3c.c74ebac.284818df@aol.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:59:59 EDT Subject: RE: Gigabit Ethernet To: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 139 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In a message dated 05/31/2001 3:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, james@sg.freebsd.org writes: > The hardware compatibility list has some > to start with. > > Alteon Networks PCI Gigabit Ethernet NICs based on > the Tigon 1 and Tigon 2 > chipsets, including the following: > 3Com 3c985-SX (Tigon 1 and 2) > Alteon AceNIC 1000baseSX (Tigon 1 and 2) > Alteon AceNIC 1000baseT (Tigon 2) > DEC/Compaq EtherWORKS 1000 > Farallon PN9000SX > NEC Gigabit Ethernet > Netgear GA620 (Tigon 2) > Netgear GA620T (Tigon 2, 1000baseT) > Silicon Graphics Gigabit Ethernet > so you are claiming that all of the cards are equal? Perhaps I didnt make it clear that i was looking for RECOMMENDATIONS from those that have actual experiece with the products. Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 15: 3: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from EXCHANGE.bwalk.com (exchange.bwalk.com [139.142.15.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F94E37B42C for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adam@suitesystems.com) Received: by EXCHANGE.bwalk.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 31 May 2001 16:02:08 -0600 Message-ID: <493DE418616E9D48A5DB8E9FAAE1A8CF028EA267@EXCHANGE.bwalk.com> From: Adam Serediuk To: "'Bsdguru@aol.com'" , isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Gigabit Card of choice? Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:02:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've used both the Intel EtherExpress Pro/1000 gigabit cards and the 3Com 985 Tigon 2 and have good experiences with both. The 3Com is currently sitting in a heavy load full news feed server, and I have had 0 problems with the card. -----Original Message----- From: Bsdguru@aol.com [mailto:Bsdguru@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 1:09 PM To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Gigabit Card of choice? What is the gigabit card of choice for FreeBSD? Anyone passing some serious traffic through (over 300Mb/s regularly)? Bryan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 15:18:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22EB237B422 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 15:18:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesper@skriver.dk) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3C03A5D3B; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:20:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 00:20:21 +0200 From: Jesper Skriver To: Bsdguru@aol.com Cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet Message-ID: <20010601002021.B18352@skriver.dk> References: <3c.c74ebac.284818df@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3c.c74ebac.284818df@aol.com>; from Bsdguru@aol.com on Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:59:59PM -0400 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 05:59:59PM -0400, Bsdguru@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 05/31/2001 3:30:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > james@sg.freebsd.org writes: > > > The hardware compatibility list has some > > to start with. > > > > Alteon Networks PCI Gigabit Ethernet NICs based on > > the Tigon 1 and Tigon 2 > > chipsets, including the following: > > 3Com 3c985-SX (Tigon 1 and 2) > > Alteon AceNIC 1000baseSX (Tigon 1 and 2) > > Alteon AceNIC 1000baseT (Tigon 2) > > DEC/Compaq EtherWORKS 1000 > > Farallon PN9000SX > > NEC Gigabit Ethernet > > Netgear GA620 (Tigon 2) > > Netgear GA620T (Tigon 2, 1000baseT) > > Silicon Graphics Gigabit Ethernet > > so you are claiming that all of the cards are equal? Apart from the amount of memory yes, as I understand it. > Perhaps I didnt make it > clear that i was looking for RECOMMENDATIONS from those that have actual > experiece with the products. I have good experiences with the 3Com 3c985-SX /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu May 31 20:56:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (dhcp.looksmart.com.au [202.53.47.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CA137B422 for ; Thu, 31 May 2001 20:56:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msergeant@snsonline.net) Received: from xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f513s6V02099; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:54:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msergeant@snsonline.net) Message-Id: <200106010354.f513s6V02099@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Mark Sergeant" To: Alexander Leidinger , henk@home.cg.nu Cc: jan@digitaldaemon.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Log file rotation with Apache. X-Mailer: Pronto v2.2.5 On freebsd/mysql Date: 31 May 2001 22:54:05 EST Reply-To: "Mark Sergeant" In-Reply-To: <200105311147.f4VBlkO03592@Magelan.Leidinger.net> References: <200105311147.f4VBlkO03592@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I decided another solution was needed and wrote a simple shell script that would rotate the apache logs for the 40+ domains my machine hosts. If you are after an example let me know. Cheers, Mark On Thu, 31 May 2001 13:47:45 +0200 (CEST), Alexander Leidinger said: :: On 30 Mai, Henk Wevers wrote: :: :: [my previous message was about "rotatelogs" which comes with apache] :: :: > The correct way could be :: > In the /etc/newsyslog.conf :: > :: > logfilename owner.group mode count size time [ZB] [/pid_file] :: > [sig_num] :: > /var/log/httpd-access.log 664 14 * 168 Z :: > /var/run/httpd.pid 1 :: :: Why send a signal to apache (and interrupt it), if you are able to do it :: without it (SIGHUP closes currently open connections)? :: :: There are even superior replacements for rotatelogs, if the available :: featureset isn't enough for you (it wasn't for me, so I hacked in :: something (e.g. automatically [gb]zipping the rotated file and a human :: readable date format) some time ago). :: :: Bye, :: Alexander. :: -- Mark Sergeant Unix Systems Administrator Fortune follows... we will invent new lullabies, new songs, new acts of love, we will cry over things we used to laugh & our new wisdom will bring tears to eyes of gentile creatures from other planets who were afraid of us till then & in the end a summer with wild winds & new friends will be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 1 1:35:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from reef.island.net.au (reef.island.net.au [203.28.142.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4EDB37B422 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 01:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hugh@island.net.au) Received: from gaul (fwuser@portal.island.net.au [203.28.142.8]) by reef.island.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f518Ypc07280 for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:34:51 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <002601c0ea75$a6ce8740$038ea8c0@island.net.au> From: "Hugh Blandford" To: Subject: OT: Apache Content Neg. Chinese overwrites English!! Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:34:17 +1000 Organization: Island Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, apologies for the off topic but I'm hoping someone out there has seen this one already. I have just installed the latest apache+modssl port with mod-fastcgi. I haven't really changed the default config yet. When I connected to the server the first time, the normal 'It Worked' page came up in strange characters. After playing around I worked out that the Chinese page is displayed in preference to the English pages. If I set the language of the browser to French or something, the 'It Worked' page is displayed perfectly. If I rename the index.html.zh to chinese.html.zh (ie remove it from the choices for index.html) and remove all language choices from the browser the English page is displayed perfectly. Even if I put English as my language choice, I get the Chinese page. This happens in both Internet Explorer and Netscape. I have tried various options in the LanguagePriority config line and it hasn't made any difference either. Apart from not having any Chinese pages on the server, does anyone have any suggestions here on what the problem might be? Thanks, Hugh Blandford Island Internet To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jun 1 8:35:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from terra.ombra.org (c1080065-a.chmpgn1.il.home.com [24.17.3.230]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D54437B43C for ; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:35:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgiacomoni@ombra.org) Received: by terra.ombra.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 890155E0B; Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 10:36:10 -0500 From: John Giacomoni To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Closed Source apache linux plugins on FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20010601103610.P90541@terra.ombra.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have any experience using a closed source 3rd party apache plugin for linux on freebsd? Presently I'm looking to use BEA's load ballancing proxy plugin. Is it possible to use a 3rd party closed source plugin with a FreeBSD native compile of apache or do I need to run a linux compiled version of apache? my reading of the handbook leads me to beleive I'd have to run a linux version of apache. thanks John G -- Code is obstinate like a two year old... with logic To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message