From owner-freebsd-libh Mon Sep 10 13:49:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55BA537B401 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:49:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (relay2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.3.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3-2) with ESMTP id f8AKndc27822; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (root@kawoserv.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.180.1]) by r220-1.rz.RWTH-Aachen.DE (8.10.1/8.11.3/5) with ESMTP id f8AKndu27818; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de [134.130.181.28]) by kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA06542; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:37 +0200 Received: by zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB42614B59; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:49:38 +0200 From: Alexander Langer To: Nicolai Petri Cc: libh@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Where can I best help with the libh effort ? Message-ID: <20010910224938.A51309@zerogravity.kawo2.rwth-aachen.d> References: <002501c136ad$53803dc0$8632a8c0@atomic.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <002501c136ad$53803dc0$8632a8c0@atomic.dk>; from freebsd@petri.cc on Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:24:17AM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-PGP-at: finger alex@big.endian.de X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thus spake Nicolai Petri (freebsd@petri.cc): > But to help this effort on the way I was wondering where developing manpower > is best spend ? > I'm primarily a C++ geek and have worked alot with QT on windows and unix. > (ofcourse I have coded C on FreeBSD both kernel and userspace :o) > Can I help/how ? Yes, you can! Great! I hope the repo will be available again soon, so you can use anoncvs to check it out. This is the latest CVS snap, and a good place to start: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~alex/libh/libh-2001-09-06.tar.gz I suggest you first try to play around with it and look, how stuff works. The package system has still wide parts unimplemented (the package database, actually), and that's were I can really need your help! Let me know if you have any problems understanding the source :-) Once you understood it and are still willing to help (most people just disappear once they've taken a look at the source), you'll probably also fast find out what's needed. If not, let me know :) Thanks Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-libh" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-libh Wed Sep 12 13: 1:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 363A937B40B for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from there ([213.105.80.222]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010912200140.ZTNA29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:01:40 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Jonathan Belson Organization: Jon's Place To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Subject: Some thoughts Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:04:17 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010912200140.ZTNA29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Sender: owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiya I've just been having a play with libh (though I haven't manged to get the last snapshot to compile completely - still looking into it) and a couple of things occur to me: One of the things I miss from when I used Linux is the Tk kernel configuration utility (make xconfig). Command line purists may disagree, but personally I find it easier to choose options from a well laid out gui than editing a large text file. This could be another useful application for libh. Personally I think TVision is pig ugly. Both Qt and GTK have versions that render to a frame buffer - would it be possible to have a third target for VGA capable displays using FreeBSD's frame buffer interface? Qt/Embedded is under GPL unfortunately but AIR GTK is LGPL. Thoughts? -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-libh" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-libh Wed Sep 12 13:53:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5731537B407 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8CKrMT61940; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: jon@witchspace.com Cc: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Some thoughts In-Reply-To: <20010912200140.ZTNA29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20010912200140.ZTNA29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010912135322U.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:53:22 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 12 Sender: owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Personally I think TVision is pig ugly. Both Qt and GTK have versions > that render to a frame buffer - would it be possible to have a third > target for VGA capable displays using FreeBSD's frame buffer interface? > Qt/Embedded is under GPL unfortunately but AIR GTK is LGPL. The goal of TurboVision is to support the many FreeBSD server systems out there which have no graphics card in them and will never SEE a graphics card - all their needs, from installation to maintenance, are handled by a serial console. If it isn't capable of working with a VT100 terminal emulator, it isn't capable of serving our needs. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-libh" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-libh Wed Sep 12 14:20:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-libh@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2353637B406; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:20:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lexx ([213.105.80.222]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010912212033.EBVL288.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lexx>; Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:20:33 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c13bd1$1f5125e0$0100a8c0@lexx> From: "Jonathan Belson" To: "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: References: <20010912200140.ZTNA29790.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20010912135322U.jkh@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Some thoughts Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:23:09 +0100 Organization: Jon's place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-libh@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiya > The goal of TurboVision is to support the many FreeBSD server systems > out there which have no graphics card in them and will never SEE a > graphics card - all their needs, from installation to maintenance, are > handled by a serial console. If it isn't capable of working with a > VT100 terminal emulator, it isn't capable of serving our needs. I wasn't suggesting replacing TurboVision, just offering another option for people who do have VGA capable displays. I installed RedHat on a machine recently and I was struck by how much Linux installers have improved over the last few years - a well laid out graphical installer gives a more 'professional' appearance IMO. -- C-YA Jon http://www.witchspace.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-libh" in the body of the message