From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 21 11: 5:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 077FE37B402 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:05:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from Kronstadt27@cs.com by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.3d.65f1bb8 (3316) for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:04:53 -0500 (EST) From: Kronstadt27@cs.com Message-ID: <3d.65f1bb8.279c8cd5@cs.com> Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:04:53 EST Subject: new to freebsd To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3d.65f1bb8.279c8cd5_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --part1_3d.65f1bb8.279c8cd5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been reading about unix systems and I like the freebsd system , I'm new to this system , and I'd like some help about how to install it in my wcomputer that has windows and also hot to use it and acces to the internet from my computer using freebsd system. Thank you for your help. --part1_3d.65f1bb8.279c8cd5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been reading about unix systems and I like the freebsd system , I'm new
to this system , and I'd like some help about how to install it in my
wcomputer that has windows and also hot to use it and acces to the internet
from my computer using freebsd system.
Thank you for your help. --part1_3d.65f1bb8.279c8cd5_boundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 21 12:20:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com [207.46.181.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823C237B402 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from default - 63.26.43.236 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:19:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000801c083e7$8281c2c0$ec2b1a3f@default> From: "jonjet57" To: Subject: HELP Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:19:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C083BD.94E3F980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C083BD.94E3F980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL A HP 660-C DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE = THE DISC TO DO SO.=20 IS THERE ANY WAY TO DOWN LOAD TO ME FROM THERE TO ME? PLESE REPLY. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C083BD.94E3F980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL = A HP 660-C=20 DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE THE DISC TO DO SO.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO DOWN LOAD TO ME = FROM THERE TO=20 ME? PLESE REPLY.

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C083BD.94E3F980-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 21 13:45: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta-1.gci.net (mta-1.gci.net [208.138.130.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647E637B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 13:44:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmp-1.gci.net ([208.138.130.80]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7J8EE00.T8H for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:44:38 -0900 Received: from chum ([24.237.49.121]) by mmp-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G7J8EF03.O14 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:44:39 -0900 Message-ID: <005e01c083eb$0df09e00$0201a8c0@salmon> From: "Rick Dennis" To: References: <000801c083e7$8281c2c0$ec2b1a3f@default> Subject: Mounting CD ROM Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 12:45:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C083A7.FF9B0360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C083A7.FF9B0360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium. I installed by booting to CD rom Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI) I do this: mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1 and get the error: cd9660: Invalid argument Any suggestions? Thanks, Rick Dennis Alaska ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jonjet57=20 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: HELP I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL A HP 660-C DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE = THE DISC TO DO SO.=20 IS THERE ANY WAY TO DOWN LOAD TO ME FROM THERE TO ME? PLESE REPLY. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C083A7.FF9B0360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I just completed my first install of = FreeBSD on=20 Intel Pentium.

I installed by booting to CD = rom

Now I am having trouble mounting the CD = ROM=20 (ATAPI)

I do this:

mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c=20 /mnt/cd1

and get the error:

cd9660: Invalid argument

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Rick Dennis

Alaska

----- Original Message -----=20

From: jonjet57=20

To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG =

Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:19 PM

Subject: HELP

I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL = A HP 660-C=20 DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE THE DISC TO DO SO.

IS THERE ANY WAY TO DOWN LOAD TO ME = FROM THERE TO=20 ME? PLESE REPLY.

------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C083A7.FF9B0360-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 21 14:47: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from vigilante.net (vigilante.net [216.246.8.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A9A237B401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:46:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (anime@localhost) by vigilante.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29649 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:46:44 -0800 Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 14:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: samba configuration Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, been tinkerin with freeBSD in my "spare time" for about 3 months time to get the windows box to talk to the my freeBSD box, snagglepuss running freeBSD 4.2 Samba 2.0.7 i did testparm and my smb.conf seems to test out fine after starting samba i get this message when checking my smbstatus ERROR: Failed to initialise share modes Can't initialise shared memory - exiting any words of wisdom would be helpful please let me know if more information is needed thanks -- - anime vigilante www.animevigilante.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 21 16:39:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC4E37B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 16:38:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA21824; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:38:52 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts003d41.mer-id.concentric.net (ts003d41.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.149]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA18403; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 19:38:45 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 15:36:28 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: Rick Dennis Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mounting CD ROM In-Reply-To: <005e01c083eb$0df09e00$0201a8c0@salmon> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try: mount /cdrom [Grin] ML Duke > I do this: > > mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1 > > and get the error: > > cd9660: Invalid argument > > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Rick Dennis > Alaska > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jonjet57 > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 12:19 PM > Subject: HELP > > > I NEED INFORMATION ON HOW TO REINSTALL A HP 660-C DESKJET. I DO NOT HAVE THE DISC TO DO SO. > IS THERE ANY WAY TO DOWN LOAD TO ME FROM THERE TO ME? PLESE REPLY. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 21 18:25:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f98.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927C937B400 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:24:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:24:50 -0800 Received: from 161.142.232.12 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:24:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [161.142.232.12] From: "BSD Blood" To: cyberhawk@home.com, bastill@sa.apana.org.au Cc: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, mike@sixpak.net, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 02:24:50 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2001 02:24:50.0427 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F306CB0:01C0841A] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a Creative Labs 3D Voodoo Banshee. In my case, redhat detected my video card perfectly. FreeBSD had problems with it. I'm using the same version of X. I believe it's in the OS; i.e. how they have enhanced the configuration, detection, etc. >From: hawk >To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au >CC: Doug Young , Mike , >freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:58:00 -0800 > >Oddly Enough it shouldnt do that ;) >I have Several Linux/BSD installations on my Test cpu (debian, Mandrake, >RH, Slackware, BEos, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD, hey its my test cpu ;) >and in general, the only change you need to do to get the sever running is >Play with >the monitor type. I know strange, i think, the problem is that each distro >detects >monitors a different way? Possibly, oh well =) > >Brian Astill wrote: > > > Strange.... > > I tried to install RH6.2 on free space on my second HD. It balked >(permanently) > > when it came to installing X. > > Then I obtained FreeBSD 4.2. Installed X with no trouble at all. > > The monitor is a cheap generic SVGA, the card Diamond Stealth 2000 Pro >(4MB). > > > > Does this mean that certain combinations of HW & SW simply won't work >together? > > I still don't understand why RH would not install, where FreeBSD went >"like a > > charm" when SFAIK the versions of Xfree86 are the same. > > > > Brian. > > > > On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > > > > > > I've had exactly the same problems several times when I tried to >install X, haven't been too concerned because my main use for FreeBSD has >been gateway boxes that are probably better off wihout X anyway (seems most >experts believe so for security reasons). > > > > > > Occasionally I get a 3.x "X" setup to work fine (never once a 4.x) >although its not consistent enough to use regularly. I still have >nightmares from my linux (gasp, cough, splutter) days thinking about KDE >lockups / crashes etc and haven't yet used XFCE sufficiently to feel at >homewith it .......If I really want a Unix GUI then I install Solaris 8 >which works properly EVERY time & has reliable support for applications I >use (particularly StarOffice / Oracle that as far as I'm aware are still >quite experimental in FreeBSD). For what its worth, X is probably fairly >straightforward but like most things its just the inadequate explanation >about configuring it that causes lots of people so much aggro. > > > > > > If I did have a pressing need for FreeBSD 4.x / XFree something / >StarOffice I'd be browsing sites like freebsddiary.org, bsdvault.net, >mostgraveconcern (links from previous sites) which generally have >docomentation better suited to us non-experts than official stuff like the >Handbook etc. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Mike > > > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > > Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 10:46 AM > > > Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X > > > > > > > > > I've tried installing from CD (4.0) > > > I've tried installing from ftp (4.2) > > > I've tried installing the 5.0 current > > > ... > > > and in each case somehow the installation goes wacked when it comes >to X. > > > > > > Everytime I try to run XF86Setup it pauses for 30 seconds and tells >me it can't initialize the (X) server. > > > > > > What I WANT to do is install minimally, adding things as I learn and >grow, not have everything but the kitchen sink installed and then try to >make sense of it. But whenever it comes to X, I'm cursed. > > > > > > One time I got it running correctly, but somehow I ended up with >parts of XFree 3.3.3 and XFree4.0 mixed up. It was a confusing mess. So >I'm starting over for the 20th+ time. > > > > > > Is anyone else having install problems with X? What kind of install >are you doing (I'm doing X-User, maybe I should go with developer to get >source files?) and what version of FreeBSD are you using? (I'm TRYING to >get 4.2 to work) > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Content-Type: text/html; name="unnamed" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Content-Description: > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Brian > > > > ******************************************************** > > Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow > > Flinders University Institute of International Education > > Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 > > bastill@sa.apana.org.au > > ******************************************************** > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 3: 4: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D7937B401 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0085.cvx5-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net (pool0085.cvx5-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.152.85]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA10874 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:03:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 03:14:06 -0800 (PST) From: Barry Lew X-Sender: bwlew@darkstar.example.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 5:46:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.sat.net.pk (unknown [202.5.153.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB837B401 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 05:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from client1 ([202.133.66.132]) by pop.sat.net.pk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f0MNj4R01508 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:45:08 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> From: "faisal" To: "freebad" Subject: AMD Duron Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:48:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd ??? I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz so help me out here AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........??? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 10:30:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4721D37B6A3 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5279; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:34:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3A6C7B87.DE0A5C8F@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:27:19 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hawk Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <01012016444104.02698@PhD_1.testname.com.au> <3A6A7A68.ADB51D19@home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hawk wrote: > > I know strange, i think, the problem is that each distro detects > monitors a different way? Possibly, oh well =) Sounds reasonable for me. Especially depending on your video card. I tried Redhat once and it insisted on using "superprobe" to detect my video card. The installation would always *reboot* when it ran superprobe, and I couldn't find any way to turn superprobe off. I later found out that xf86config says *not* to probe my particular card. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 10:40:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4827C37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:39:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA58D5; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:44:11 -0800 Message-ID: <3A6C7DCA.B3B7A564@acuson.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:36:58 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X (now moving to the Ports system) References: <001801c0827a$60a63460$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> <008201c0827c$e1ba1c40$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <006401c082a8$539898c0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mike wrote: > I guess the next step is the CVS Tree? (or something like that) I configured > it once, so can do it again, but is it upgrading my 4.2 for me? Giving me > updates? or what? Can someone explain this thing a little better to me? I usually use cvsup, but there are a variety of ways to keep you system in sync. In any case, there are two parts to your system, the sources and the ports. I never bother with keeping the sources up to date. 4.3 will be here soon enough and I'm patient. I do keep the ports tree up to date though. If you do decide to update your sources and do all that "build world" stuff, remember that the Handbook says that you *MUST* subscribe to freebsd-current and/or freebsd-stable. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 15:17:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from first.bief.ru (unknown [194.186.141.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E91037B6B8 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 15:17:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxm [212.46.218.141] by bief.ru [194.186.141.10] with SMTP (MDaemon.v3.1.0.R) for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:15:45 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:15:24 +0200 From: "Maxim V. Kostikov" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.46d) Personal Reply-To: "Maxim V. Kostikov" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1942692882.20010123011524@bief.ru> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Return-Path: root@bief.ru X-MDRcpt-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-MDRemoteIP: 212.46.218.141 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 16:59:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from serunix.diginet.com.mx (diginet.com.mx [148.245.213.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D19737B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 16:58:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from diginet.com.mx (cablec5mia.cybercable.net.mx [200.53.245.158]) by serunix.diginet.com.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA75077 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:37:07 GMT (envelope-from alfonso@diginet.com.mx) Message-ID: <3A6CD778.6DC009FB@diginet.com.mx> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:59:36 -0600 From: alfonso palacios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: solicito ayuda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Solicito ayuda para conseguir un tutorial de freebsd en espanol.. gracias por su attencion.... Atte: Juan Palacios.... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 17:24:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723CE37B400 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:23:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from stanfordalumni.org (1Cust74.tnt15.tco2.da.uu.net [63.38.134.74]) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15946; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:23:49 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200101230123.RAA15946@albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net> To: alfonso palacios Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Don Tyson Subject: Re: solicito ayuda In-reply-to: <3A6CD778.6DC009FB@diginet.com.mx> References: <3A6CD778.6DC009FB@diginet.com.mx> Comments: In-reply-to alfonso palacios message dated "Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:59:36 -0600." Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 20:23:55 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Solicito ayuda para conseguir un tutorial de freebsd en espanol.. > > gracias por su attencion.... > > Atte: Juan Palacios.... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > http://www.freebsd.org/es To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 22 18:52:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B8237B401 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:51:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from home.com ([65.5.120.39]) by femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010123025123.VBYZ2567.femail1.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 18:51:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:53:04 -0800 From: hawk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: faisal Cc: freebad Subject: Re: AMD Duron References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok in my psuedo-expert opinion AMD works better with UNIX in general. Why, i dont know why it just does. (Perhaps Intel is based for Windows, and AMD isnt, but thats just speculation =) Anyays AMD is better for me. Better for the servers i run, better for the lab i run. =) hope that answers it. Also look out for the new AMD chip, something like 5ghz with no fan 4 floating points. (i know i thought the 5ghz was a typo too ;) something like $700 each. Ok i forgot what i was saying.. best to shut up now ;) -Hawk faisal wrote: > Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd ??? > I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz > so help me out here > AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........??? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 1:45:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts8.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D0A537B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 01:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from franck ([64.229.224.43]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010123094529.DCYY10080.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@franck> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:45:29 -0500 From: "SITI 2001 - Media Publik" To: "" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 01 04:39:41 -0500 Subject: CALL FOR PAPERS - SITI 2001 Reply-To: "Media Publik" X-Mailer: EMailing List Pro 3.5 Message-Id: <20010123094529.DCYY10080.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@franck> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ************* C A L L F O R P A P E R S *************** SITI 2001 / Montreal - May 22-25, 2001 Media Publik is seeking for Speakers to present at the SITI, International Information Technologies Week, that will be held from May 22nd to 25th, 2001. 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To apply for a Speaker position, or for further information about the SITI 2001, please visit our web site at : www.mediapublik.com/en/cfpmain_en.php Keynote Nominations To nominate an executive for a keynote speaking opportunity, please contact: Caroline Desmarais Tel: 1 (514) 866-5162 or mailto:caroline@mediapublik.com, Thank you for your interest in SITI Conferences and Expos, the International Information Technologies Week, and we look forward to hearing from you soon. ************************************************************ SITI 2001 - May 22-25, 2001 Palais des congres de Montreal Montreal, CANADA SITI is owned and managed by Media Publik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 2:51: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 315AF37B698 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 02:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09043; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:49:12 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdqi9041; Tue Jan 23 20:49:08 2001 Message-ID: <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "hawk" , "faisal" Cc: "freebad" References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> Subject: Re: AMD Duron Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:49:04 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm guessing the intended use of the systems under discussion is mainly for playing games ... if so AMD chips may possibly be OK for the purpose. My experience with computers is totally business related ..... I have no interest whatever in games. No associate of mine who works in the same area would even think of using the things. I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many users wish to dual boot FreeBSD & Windows. From my experience with a fair cross-section of machines running virtually every version of Windows, I wouldn't wish an AMD on my worst enemy ... the weird "features" they give, particularly with WinNT & Win2000 are just not worth the dollars saved. Intel Pentiums are probably overpriced by comparison, but Celerons aren't that much more expensive than comparable AMD's & they work properly (and consistently) with every operating system known to mankind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hawk" To: "faisal" Cc: "freebad" Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:53 AM Subject: Re: AMD Duron > Ok in my psuedo-expert opinion AMD works better with UNIX in general. > Why, i dont know why it just does. (Perhaps Intel is based for Windows, and > AMD > isnt, but thats just speculation =) Anyays AMD is better for me. Better for > the > servers i run, better for the lab i run. =) hope that answers it. > > Also look out for the new AMD chip, something like 5ghz with no fan 4 floating > > points. (i know i thought the 5ghz was a typo too ;) something like $700 > each. Ok i forgot what i was saying.. best to shut up now ;) > > -Hawk > > > faisal wrote: > > > Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd ??? > > I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz > > so help me out here > > AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........??? > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 3:13:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7698337B699 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule ([24.16.193.228]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010123111253.CTXY9070.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@mule> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:12:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:12:56 -0800 From: Y X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) Personal Reply-To: Y Organization: CCAAFF X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <921331965.20010123031256@home.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: AMD Duron In-reply-To: <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Doug, Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 02:49:04, you wrote: DY> I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've DY> found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste DY> time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the only problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs out using it. TIA -- Best regards, Y To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 3:17:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dunces.org (dunces.org [64.81.23.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A337F37B69F for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (czr@localhost) by dunces.org (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0NBYqo12454; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:34:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 03:34:51 -0800 (PST) From: To: Y Cc: Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron In-Reply-To: <921331965.20010123031256@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why do I keep hearing about win2k and nt when these things ahve no relevance to this list. better yet, they dont even have any relevance to the original question. To answer you, i have an duron 800 overclocked running freebsd and slackware and its the best experience yet. Burke On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Y wrote: > Hello Doug, > > Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 02:49:04, you wrote: > > DY> I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've > DY> found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste > DY> time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many > > on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a > MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server > machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one > server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine > is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the only > problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums > as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am > asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs > out using it. > > TIA > -- > Best regards, > Y > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 4: 8:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha1.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC4937B69B for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 04:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from co3027913-a ([203.164.216.140]) by mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010123120803.RFOR26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@co3027913-a> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:08:03 +1100 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:12:10 +1000 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Andrew Luke Nesbit Subject: Re: AMD Duron X-Mailer: Opera 5.01 build 840 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <20010123120803.RFOR26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@co3027913-a> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AMD chips are great! Especially if you want to experiment with overclocking. I'm a big fan of the concept of overclocking, not only because of the extra speed increase, but also because you can learn a lot about hardware by doing it... consider it to be a practical way of learning about some PC hardware. Sorry, I digress a lot :-) AMD processors work *beautifully*, provided that you take care in choosing and setting up your hardware properly: First of all, it is absolutely *essential* that the heatsink + thermal paste are applied to the CPU core. If you do not do this, you *will* permanently damage the chip. Once they are applied properly, then the chance of heat damage to the chip is no greater than that of Intel chips. Take extra special care, and take your time, when installing the heatsink. Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on hardware which performs to spec.) Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have substandard RAM as their cause. Four. A badly designed motherboard can mess with the operation of a PC, due to things like badly designed traces on the printed circuit board wreaking havoc with memory timings, etc, etc. Also, take care that the mobo that you choose has an appropriate chipset. At the moment, most mobos supporting AMD CPUs have VIA brand chipsets, but AMD have one or two chipsets on the market, too. You will not find an Intel chipset on a mobo supporting AMD. Avoid PC Chips brand motherboards like the plague. (Check out the amd.com for lists of AMD-approved PSU's, mobos, etc.) SO to sum up, AMD is great, especially for the person who likes to get under the hood. But remember to choose your all your supporting hardware carefully, because if you do, then you're system will *probably* be more stable. Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card. $0.02 by Andrew Nesbit. 23/01/01 9:49:04 PM, "Doug Young" wrote: >I'm guessing the intended use of the systems under discussion is mainly for >playing games ... if so AMD chips >may possibly be OK for the purpose. My experience with computers is totally >business related ..... I have no interest whatever in games. No associate of >mine who works in the same area would even think of using the things. > > >I personally have never tried an AMD chip with any version of unix, but I've >found them a total dog with WinNT & Win2000 so I'm not inclined to waste >time with them. From postings I've seen to this list it appears that many >users wish to dual boot FreeBSD & Windows. From my experience with a fair >cross-section of machines running virtually every version of Windows, I >wouldn't wish an AMD on my worst enemy ... the weird "features" they give, >particularly with WinNT & Win2000 are just not worth the dollars saved. >Intel Pentiums are probably overpriced by comparison, but Celerons aren't >that much more expensive than comparable AMD's & they work properly (and >consistently) with every operating system known to mankind. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "hawk" >To: "faisal" >Cc: "freebad" >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 12:53 AM >Subject: Re: AMD Duron > > >> Ok in my psuedo-expert opinion AMD works better with UNIX in general. >> Why, i dont know why it just does. (Perhaps Intel is based for Windows, >and >> AMD >> isnt, but thats just speculation =) Anyays AMD is better for me. Better >for >> the >> servers i run, better for the lab i run. =) hope that answers it. >> >> Also look out for the new AMD chip, something like 5ghz with no fan 4 >floating >> >> points. (i know i thought the 5ghz was a typo too ;) something like $700 >> each. Ok i forgot what i was saying.. best to shut up now ;) >> >> -Hawk >> >> >> faisal wrote: >> >> > Hello i am going to upgrade to AMD Duron 650 in this good with freebsd >??? >> > I can also go for intell pentium III 600 mhz >> > so help me out here >> > AMD is good for me regarding cost so...........??? >> > >> > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message >> > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 6:22:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589D937B6A3 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 06:22:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p196.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.196]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA32274; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:22:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00256; Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:59:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 11:59:17 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: "J. D. Kent" Cc: "freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: RE: slow is beautiful [was: FreeBSD on Macintosh] In-Reply-To: <01C05387.3DD2F620.boris@froggernet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue: > > new puppy-dog achievement. Once you've been a contented 386 or 486 > > user > > for a while, your friends will start to notice. An old computer is much more than no computer. In this sense, I just got an Indy, well, no more soundcard driver troubles anymore. Such an once luxurious "unix workstation" is slow today too. It is still luxurious, if you want to learn.. I have a 486 that I like very much. 1542, in such a system, this is still a great card. Etcpp. Maybe 200 MB is to small for email, but it worked great. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 8:28:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (scandd1.dresden.fhg.de [192.102.167.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA9237B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from scandd1.fhg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0NGS3504496; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:28:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from iis.fhg.de (iis.iis.fhg.de [153.96.172.2]) by scandd1.fhg.de (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0NGS2I04492; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:28:02 +0100 (MET) Received: by iis.fhg.de with ESMTP; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:28:00 +0100 (MET) from sunserv02.iis.fhg.de Received: from gmx.net by sunserv02.iis.fhg.de (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id RAA25292; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:27:59 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A6DB087.84C828B1@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:25:43 +0100 From: Michael Haertl Organization: private X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Dennis Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting CD ROM References: <000801c083e7$8281c2c0$ec2b1a3f@default> <005e01c083eb$0df09e00$0201a8c0@salmon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Rick, have you tried the string "iso9660" instead of "cd9660" ? > just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium. > I installed by booting to CD rom > Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI) > > I do this: > mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1 > > and get the error: > cd9660: Invalid argument > > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Rick Dennis > Alaska -- /* Michael Haertl */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 8:51: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from burdell.cc.gatech.edu (burdell.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.3.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB84037B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:50:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from felix.cc.gatech.edu (felix.cc.gatech.edu [130.207.107.11]) by burdell.cc.gatech.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA13825; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (dibble@localhost) by felix.cc.gatech.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04531; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:50:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:50:48 -0500 (EST) From: Dibble To: Michael Haertl Cc: Rick Dennis , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mounting CD ROM In-Reply-To: <3A6DB087.84C828B1@gmx.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Try using either: /sbin/mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /mnt or /sbin/mount /dev/wcd0c /mnt Those combinations are what I have used for the past few years. The first command is what I use for 4.2-stable and I know it works. On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, Michael Haertl wrote: > Hello Rick, > > have you tried the string "iso9660" instead of "cd9660" ? > > > > just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium. > > I installed by booting to CD rom > > Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI) > > > > I do this: > > mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1 > > > > and get the error: > > cd9660: Invalid argument > > > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Rick Dennis > > Alaska > > -- > /* Michael Haertl */ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > ####################### Jeff Lee http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~dibble/ Student Assistant Dibble@cc.gatech.edu GTRI-ITTL 404-206-1365 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 9:27:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [216.99.218.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5967E37B401 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:27:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.pantherdragon.org [216.99.218.166]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DA444002 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:27:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A6DBEE8.2A89B966@pantherdragon.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:27:04 -0800 From: dmp@pantherdragon.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD Duron References: <20010123120803.RFOR26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@co3027913-a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on > hardware which performs to spec.) Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v. Pay no attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on the sticker on the side of the PS. > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have > substandard RAM as their cause. Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty safe. If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware. > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card. Why not? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 9:29:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mta-1.gci.net (mta-1.gci.net [208.138.130.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AED37B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmp-2.gci.net ([208.138.130.81]) by mta-1.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7MLX303.U83 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:29:27 -0900 Received: from chum ([24.237.49.121]) by mmp-2.gci.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id G7MLX401.80I; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:29:28 -0900 Message-ID: <004d01c08559$c00dfe60$0201a8c0@salmon> From: "Rick Dennis" To: "Michael Haertl" Cc: References: <000801c083e7$8281c2c0$ec2b1a3f@default> <005e01c083eb$0df09e00$0201a8c0@salmon> <3A6DB087.84C828B1@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Mounting CD ROM Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 08:30:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all for the help. I soon discovered the problem came from trying to mount a CD-R in a non-multi-session CDROM. Since then, I picked up a newer CDROM and I can mount all my self-burned CDs. using the standard ' mount /cdrom ' works fine. RD ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Haertl To: Rick Dennis Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:25 AM Subject: Re: Mounting CD ROM Hello Rick, have you tried the string "iso9660" instead of "cd9660" ? > just completed my first install of FreeBSD on Intel Pentium. > I installed by booting to CD rom > Now I am having trouble mounting the CD ROM (ATAPI) > > I do this: > mount -t cd9660 -o ro /dev/acd0c /mnt/cd1 > > and get the error: > cd9660: Invalid argument > > Any suggestions? > Thanks, > Rick Dennis > Alaska -- /* Michael Haertl */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 9:32:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.utexas.edu (wb2-a.mail.utexas.edu [128.83.126.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D65237B69D for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 09:32:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8898 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jan 2001 17:32:35 -0000 Received: from chepe.cc.utexas.edu (HELO chepe.mail.utexas.edu) (128.83.135.25) by umbs-smtp-2 with SMTP; 23 Jan 2001 17:32:35 -0000 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20010123112121.00b535c0@mail.utexas.edu> X-Sender: oscars@mail.utexas.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:31:27 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Oscar Ricardo Silva Subject: Installation of FreeBSD fails on machine with large disks Cc: questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have a PC with the following configuration: Pentium III 650MHz 256MB RAM 3COM 3C905C-TX 3 hard drives: Primary master: IBM DPTA-373420 Primary slave: IBM DPTA-373420 Secondary master: IBM DPTA-373420 Secondary slave: ATAPI CD-ROM The drives are all 32GB and all on the ATA-33 bus. I have tried installing FreeBSD 4.1 and 4.2 but each time, when the machine boots after the install, I get a prompt: No /boot/loader >>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel boot: No /kernel >>FreeBSD/i386 BOOT Default: 0:ad(0,a)/kernel boot: I've tried changing the drive modes in the BIOS, using NORMAL, LBA and LARGE, reinstalling the OS after each change. The result is still the same. I've also tried the STANDARD install and the CUSTOM installation, even taking the defaults for the slice sizes some of the times. Still the same thing. I tried the default slice sizes so that the "/" slice would be at the beginning of the drive, hopefully within 1024 cylinders. From what I understand though, FreeBSD 4.2 doesn't have this limitation and can be installed anywhere on the drive. I can't see why there should be a problem installing on such a system with these types of drives. I haven't had any problems installing FreeBSD on systems with 9GB SCSI drives or 13.6GB IDE drives. Any information would be appreciated. I would like to stay with FreeBSD and changing the hardware in the system is not an option. I've looked through the Handbook, The Complete FreeBSD and the mailing list archives. There are some similar messages but nothing that points me to getting this fixed. I've tried some of the suggestions and have installed the system over 7 times, all with the same result. Booting off of CD2 with the live filesystem, I see that the OS files are on the drive and I see that there is indeed a /boot/loader but I always get the same message as above. Thanks, Oscar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 11:40:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524CF37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: [from pobox3.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA24121 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:40:21 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by pobox3.mot.com (MOT-pobox3 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA20378 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:36:33 -0700 (MST)] Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:40:20 -0600 Message-ID: From: libby charles-ccl044 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "'Don Tyson'" , alfonso palacios Subject: RE: solicito ayuda Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:40:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2651.58) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The only problem is the tutorials are all in english. I just downloaded those tutorials from the web page and will be working on translating them. This will take time and I lack some of the specialized vocabulary, but I would like to see them in spanish as well. I would be interested in proofreaders once I get some of the work done. Charles S. Libby Technical Instructor iDEN (847) 576-0617 Rom 10:9-10 -----Original Message----- From: Don Tyson [mailto:tyson@stanfordalumni.org] Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 7:24 PM To: alfonso palacios Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: solicito ayuda > Solicito ayuda para conseguir un tutorial de freebsd en espanol.. > > gracias por su attencion.... > > Atte: Juan Palacios.... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > http://www.freebsd.org/es To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 11:59:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C3A37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 11:59:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA09528; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:59:25 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdPE9526; Wed Jan 24 05:59:20 2001 Message-ID: <005d01c08576$f985e230$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: , References: <20010123120803.RFOR26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@co3027913-a> <3A6DBEE8.2A89B966@pantherdragon.org> Subject: Re: AMD Duron Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 05:59:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't overclock CPU's, don't use computers for games, and don't have either the time or the inclination to mess around with components that are excessively "fussy" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:27 AM Subject: Re: AMD Duron > Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: > > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum > > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on > > hardware which performs to spec.) > > Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v. Pay no > attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is > relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on > the sticker on the side of the PS. > > > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this > > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips > > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be > > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even > > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have > > substandard RAM as their cause. > > Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty > safe. If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a > vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware. > > > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card. > > Why not? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 12:27:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE29A37B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike [192.168.10.2]) by mail.sixpak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04947 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:12:11 -0500 Message-ID: <010601c0857a$f9eae8c0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: Subject: FreeBSD 4.2 and X (now moving to the Ports system) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 15:27:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well this is a production box so I'm perfectly content to wait for "official upgrades" versus playing around with the kernel on a daily basis. So basically the only thing that needs to be "kept up to date" is the ports tree? No sources anywhere? CVSup is the one to use for a constant net connection right? Man, this whole box has been an experiment and a half. I did such a poor job (or too good depending on how you look at it) on my firewall that I couldn't even ping localhost :) I've resolved that but somehow only root can ping and normal users can't touch it. I'm wanting to blow the whole thing out and start over, but then again, ya learn more by fixing things that doin it the MS way. I still have DNS and pop3 to install. At least the web server can wait :) (DNS is crucial though, hope this little "Complete FreeBSD" book is right on the money. It appears to have been written for an earlier version of BSD, but at least I know it still references Bind 8. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "Mike" Cc: Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 1:36 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.2 and X (now moving to the Ports system) > > Mike wrote: > > > > > I guess the next step is the CVS Tree? (or something like that) I > configured > > > it once, so can do it again, but is it upgrading my 4.2 for me? Giving > me > > > updates? or what? Can someone explain this thing a little better to me? > > > > I usually use cvsup, but there are a variety of ways to keep you system > > in sync. In any case, there are two parts to your system, the sources > > and the ports. I never bother with keeping the sources up to date. 4.3 > > will be here soon enough and I'm patient. I do keep the ports tree up to > > date though. > > > > If you do decide to update your sources and do all that "build world" > > stuff, remember that the Handbook says that you *MUST* subscribe to > > freebsd-current and/or freebsd-stable. > > > > David > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 12:32:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B45037B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:32:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA09560; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:29:36 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdJk9558; Wed Jan 24 06:29:30 2001 Message-ID: <007501c0857b$30785d00$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "Y" , References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> <921331965.20010123031256@home.com> Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:29:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety ..... spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid installation "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD drive. I've had no end of weird hardware conflicts with both WinNT & Win2000 that can never be properly resolved, & the uncertain lifetime of the CPU is a concern (they don't appear to have anything like the life of Intel ones) I can't imagine overclocking the things ... they don't last much more than a year in standard form anyway !!!! (and YES the ones I've tried all had heatsink paste / bigger fans / blah / blah / blah) Actually we DID have an AMD in a FreeBSD box used as a news server ...... well it was built & commissioned but it never did work for longer than a day before crashing. Every component of the system was replaced (several times over / various breeds) without making the slightest difference. It was only when the CPU was replaced by a proper Intel that the problems disappeared. Since then we'll never have another of those disasters in the place ... none of the Intel sytems have given unusual hardware problems like those experienced with the AMD one. The problems I've had are mostly "off topic" for this list as they don't concern FreeBSD directly, however a number of enquiries talk about dual booting so thats why I reported my experiences. Given the apparently "features" of AMD that I've seen with other operating systems I can't see the point in using them in FreeBSD. Judging from the email addresses of those who swear AMD chips are the bees knees, they are probably mostly gameplayers. As I said in an earlier posting I have no interest whatever in that area ..... however I'll need to be convinced that AMD have lifted their game considerably before I'll use another one in a business environment. > on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a > MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server > machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one > server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine > is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the only > problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums > as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am > asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs > out using it. > > TIA > -- > Best regards, > Y > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 12:43:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.wanadoo.es (unknown [62.36.220.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E69D37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from es.freebsd.org (usuario1-36-130-186.dialup.uni2.es [62.36.130.186]) by smtp.wanadoo.es (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f0NKgti21240; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:42:55 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A6DEDAE.E8C068BA@es.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:46:38 +0100 From: ncalvo X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: libby charles-ccl044 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: solicito ayuda References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, [replying also to -newbies since this might be of interest] libby charles-ccl044 wrote: > > The only problem is the tutorials are all in english. I just downloaded those tutorials from the web page and will be working on translating them. This will take time and I lack some of the specialized vocabulary, but I would like to see them in spanish as well. I would be interested in proofreaders once I get some of the work done. There is a general purpose FreeBSD mailing list in Spanish. To subscribe send mail to: majordomo@es.freebsd.org with the body of the message containing: subscribe freebsd I already told this to Alfonso Palacios , the originator of this thread. So far, the website, the faq and part of the handbook are translated. You can visit: http://www.freebsd.org/es SGML source can be found at: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/.0/FreeBSD/branches/-current/doc/es_ES.ISO_8859-1 The coordinator of the Spanish translation project is Jesus Rodriguez and he can be reached in the mentioned mailing list. Greetings. ncalvo _ PS: I would be glad to help you proofreading, feel free to contact me. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 13:10:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136537B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:09:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike [192.168.10.2]) by mail.sixpak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA05000; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:52:02 -0500 Message-ID: <011801c08580$8cd74480$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: "Doug Young" , "Y" , References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> <921331965.20010123031256@home.com> <007501c0857b$30785d00$837e03cb@dougy> Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:07:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have to disagree with Doug here. I've had experience with two different AMD CPUs directly and have built servers using them for customers for the past six months. NONE of these servers have had any type of problem for any reason. My current Linux server for home use has been operating flawlessly for over six months (I had to boot it due to a power outage almost three months ago that lasted longer than my UPS). This server runs a variety of services so the processor is definently running (although I'm sure rarely at 100% unless I'm compiling something) all the time. The other AMD processer was an old 200MHz that's been running and operating for about four years. I just purchased a 1GHz AMD processor for a windows box and I'm proud to say that Windows hasn't crashed any more often than it did with my 450MHz Intel processor. I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad motherboard. It happens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Young" To: "Y" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron > Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety ..... > spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid installation > "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD > drive. I've had no end of weird hardware conflicts with both WinNT & Win2000 > that can never be properly resolved, & the uncertain lifetime of the CPU is > a concern (they don't appear to have anything like the life of Intel ones) I > can't imagine overclocking the things ... they don't last much more than a > year in standard form anyway !!!! (and YES the ones I've tried all had > heatsink paste / bigger fans / blah / blah / blah) > > Actually we DID have an AMD in a FreeBSD box used as a news server ...... > well it was built & commissioned but it never did work for longer than a day > before crashing. Every component of the system was replaced (several times > over / various breeds) without making the slightest difference. It was only > when the CPU was replaced by a proper Intel that the problems disappeared. > Since then we'll never have another of those disasters in the place ... none > of the Intel sytems have given unusual hardware problems like those > experienced with the AMD one. > > The problems I've had are mostly "off topic" for this list as they don't > concern FreeBSD directly, however a number of enquiries talk about dual > booting so thats why I reported my experiences. Given the apparently > "features" of AMD that I've seen with other operating systems I can't see > the point in using them in FreeBSD. Judging from the email addresses of > those who swear AMD chips are the bees knees, they are probably mostly > gameplayers. As I said in an earlier posting I have no interest whatever in > that area ..... however I'll need to be convinced that AMD have lifted their > game considerably before I'll use another one in a business environment. > > > > on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a > > MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server > > machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one > > server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine > > is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro the > only > > problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums > > as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am > > asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs > > out using it. > > > > TIA > > -- > > Best regards, > > Y > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 13:17:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ggaweb.ch (mail.ggaweb.ch [62.2.33.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AD4137B402 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:17:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlin (client87-179.hispeed.ch [62.2.87.179]) by mail.ggaweb.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA08477; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:17:25 +0100 From: "Benjamin Lutz" To: Cc: "Benjamin Lutz" Subject: Why is the FreeBSD kernel so much bigger than the Linux kernel? Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:17:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Talking with a few friends we suddenly noticed that the FreeBSD kernel is lots bigger (about 3 times) than the Linux kernel - how so? Also, what average kernel size do you guys have? My FreeBSD box is configured as gateway/NATD/firewall, other than that there are not too many bells and whistles. The resulting kernel is a whopping 1'932'208 bytes. Is there something obvious I did not see? Also... how do I display the total size of all files in a single directory? Have a lot of fun, Ben PS: Dont forget to CC your answers to benlutz@datacomm.ch . thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 13:22:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CBE37B69C for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:21:31 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09615; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:19:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from dougy.apana.org.au(203.3.126.131), claiming to be "dougy" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdDw9613; Wed Jan 24 07:19:33 2001 Message-ID: <00c901c08582$2e2e68d0$837e03cb@dougy> From: "Doug Young" To: "Mike" , "Y" , References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> <921331965.20010123031256@home.com> <007501c0857b$30785d00$837e03cb@dougy> <011801c08580$8cd74480$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:19:30 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A bad half dozen motherboards & only with AMD ?? ..... while its possible I very much doubt it, especially since the problems with the socket 7 ones disappeared immediately the CPU was replaced with an Intel one. If others wish to use those things then its their funeral .... I certainly won't use one in a clients box & I won't have an AMD in any system I control again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: "Doug Young" ; "Y" ; Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron > I have to disagree with Doug here. I've had experience with two different > AMD CPUs directly and have built servers using them for customers for the > past six months. NONE of these servers have had any type of problem for any > reason. My current Linux server for home use has been operating flawlessly > for over six months (I had to boot it due to a power outage almost three > months ago that lasted longer than my UPS). This server runs a variety of > services so the processor is definently running (although I'm sure rarely at > 100% unless I'm compiling something) all the time. > > The other AMD processer was an old 200MHz that's been running and operating > for about four years. > > I just purchased a 1GHz AMD processor for a windows box and I'm proud to say > that Windows hasn't crashed any more often than it did with my 450MHz Intel > processor. > > I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad motherboard. > It happens. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Young" > To: "Y" ; > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:29 PM > Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron > > > > Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety ..... > > spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid > installation > > "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD > > drive. I've had no end of weird hardware conflicts with both WinNT & > Win2000 > > that can never be properly resolved, & the uncertain lifetime of the CPU > is > > a concern (they don't appear to have anything like the life of Intel ones) > I > > can't imagine overclocking the things ... they don't last much more than a > > year in standard form anyway !!!! (and YES the ones I've tried all had > > heatsink paste / bigger fans / blah / blah / blah) > > > > Actually we DID have an AMD in a FreeBSD box used as a news server ...... > > well it was built & commissioned but it never did work for longer than a > day > > before crashing. Every component of the system was replaced (several times > > over / various breeds) without making the slightest difference. It was > only > > when the CPU was replaced by a proper Intel that the problems disappeared. > > Since then we'll never have another of those disasters in the place ... > none > > of the Intel sytems have given unusual hardware problems like those > > experienced with the AMD one. > > > > The problems I've had are mostly "off topic" for this list as they don't > > concern FreeBSD directly, however a number of enquiries talk about dual > > booting so thats why I reported my experiences. Given the apparently > > "features" of AMD that I've seen with other operating systems I can't see > > the point in using them in FreeBSD. Judging from the email addresses of > > those who swear AMD chips are the bees knees, they are probably mostly > > gameplayers. As I said in an earlier posting I have no interest whatever > in > > that area ..... however I'll need to be convinced that AMD have lifted > their > > game considerably before I'll use another one in a business environment. > > > > > > > on a net i administer we have two small offices as parts of a > > > MAN that we run on Durons plus one TBird MS SQL 7 server > > > machine on MSI and DFI boards. 38 NT 4 workstations and one > > > server: no AMD specific problems whatsoever. this home machine > > > is also Duron 600(512 RAM) running FreeBSD, Linux and W2k Pro > the > > only > > > problems i noticed with Win are the same we have with Pentiums > > > as well. What troubles do you experience with AMD ? I am > > > asking, because we are contemplating to lay a few larger LANs > > > out using it. > > > > > > TIA > > > -- > > > Best regards, > > > Y > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 13:26:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from felch.internot (d2-u30.acld.clear.net.nz [203.97.48.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B8737B698 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:25:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from clear.net.nz (felch [10.0.0.1]) by felch.internot (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0NLPoG55532; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:25:50 +1300 (NZDT) (envelope-from jamiew@clear.net.nz) Message-ID: <3A6DF6DE.FF2B279F@clear.net.nz> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:25:50 +1300 From: Jamie Walker Organization: A Touch of Evil X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Lutz Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why is the FreeBSD kernel so much bigger than the Linux kernel? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Benjamin Lutz wrote: > Talking with a few friends we suddenly noticed that the FreeBSD kernel is > lots bigger (about 3 times) than the Linux kernel - how so? Also, what > average kernel size do you guys have? The Linux kernel is compressed on disk. I suspect the FreeBSD kernel may not be. -- Email: jamiew@clear.net.nz ICQ: 5632563 or shout loudly To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 13:35:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.scana.com (falcon.scana.com [161.156.101.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D5837B69C for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by falcon.scana.com; id QAA18276; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:34:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from maildmis.scana.com(161.156.252.90) by falcon.scana.com via smap (V5.5) id xma018235; Tue, 23 Jan 01 16:34:13 -0500 Received: from msg21.scana.com [161.156.252.90] by MSG21.SCANA.COM [161.156.252.90] (CMSPraetor 4.1.3395) with ESMTP id 459C9C41F15111D4B0970002A507E1C8 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:33:41 -0500 Received: by maildmis.scana.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:33:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Re[2]: AMD Duron Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:33:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad > motherboard. I can't testify to which CPU is better, I have had good luck with both AMD and Intel on FreeBSD. I can, however, testify to the effects of a bad motherboard. I had a cheap PC Chips MB with an 'illegal' BIOS chip. I would get random reboots all the time. Sometimes after 3 minutes, sometimes after a week, sometimes under heavy load, sometimes when idle. There was no explaining it. Swapped out the MB and never had a problem since (same CPU and memory). I can see how it would be real easy to blame the CPU (not that anyone is :-) ). ...Michael... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 13:49: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270C437B69E for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 13:48:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA09649; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:48:31 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdsH9647; Wed Jan 24 07:48:23 2001 Message-ID: <00bf01c08586$400bc940$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" , References: Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 07:48:38 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quite apart from all the dual-booting WinWhatever issues, the (FreeBSD 3.2) news server episode here is a fair example of why I have no time for AMD ... everything but the CPU was replaced several times over (with various breeds of component readily available in OZ) without making the slightest difference .... it was only when the AMD was replaced by an Intel that the machine functioned for more than a day without crashing . Maybe its possible to eventually find a combination of bits that do work properly with AMD but I've got more than enough things to do than mess around with that nonsense. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:33 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: AMD Duron > > I think Doug just got a bad CPU for whatever reason or a bad > > motherboard. > > I can't testify to which CPU is better, I have had good luck with both AMD > and Intel on FreeBSD. > > I can, however, testify to the effects of a bad motherboard. > > I had a cheap PC Chips MB with an 'illegal' BIOS chip. I would get random > reboots all the time. Sometimes after 3 minutes, sometimes after a week, > sometimes under heavy load, sometimes when idle. There was no explaining > it. > > Swapped out the MB and never had a problem since (same CPU and memory). > > I can see how it would be real easy to blame the CPU (not that anyone is :-) > ). > > ...Michael... > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 14: 8:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54E3C37B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:08:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E1F7A18B9; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:31:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFA418B8; Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:31:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 14:31:20 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Doug Young Cc: "SILVER, MICHAEL A" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: AMD Duron In-Reply-To: <00bf01c08586$400bc940$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Quite apart from all the dual-booting WinWhatever issues, the (FreeBSD 3.2) > news server episode here is a fair example of why I have no time for AMD ... > everything but the CPU was replaced several times over (with various breeds > of component readily available in OZ) without making the slightest > difference .... it was only when the AMD was replaced by an Intel that the > machine functioned for more than a day without crashing . Maybe its possible > to eventually find a combination of bits that do work properly with AMD but > I've got more than enough things to do than mess around with that nonsense. Understandable... though totally 100% contradicts the my experiences with AMD. BUT... I have heard of people with lots of problems... the only unifiying factor was the CHIPSETS of the motherboards. Of course in these cases these were companies building bargain-basement home-PC boxes. For the record, Asus and Soltek are the only motherboards I'll buy. Both run AMD chips flawlessly. :) In fact I've now officially had more bad Intel chips pass through my hands then AMD chips. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 17:27:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from monet.studio1620.com (cc4443-a.taylor1.mi.home.com [24.0.58.182]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685D237B6B6 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:27:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by monet.studio1620.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0O1NPE04371 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:23:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from larry) From: Larry Coleman To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Oracle 8i on FreeBSD Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 20:21:47 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01012320232500.04348@monet.studio1620.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone here tried to set up Oracle 8i on FreeBSD? If so, is there anything I should watch out for in the install process that would be different from LInux? -- Larry Coleman larry@studio1620.com Democracy: Two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Constitutional Republic: Same as above, but lamb's not on the menu (unless the wolves are REALLY hungry). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 17:28:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B028D37B6B6 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551CC6AB73; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:58:12 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:58:12 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: Benjamin Lutz Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is the FreeBSD kernel so much bigger than the Linux kernel? Message-ID: <20010124115812.G37060@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from benlutz@datacomm.ch on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 10:17:09PM +0100 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 23 January 2001 at 22:17:09 +0100, Benjamin Lutz wrote: > Talking with a few friends we suddenly noticed that the FreeBSD kernel is > lots bigger (about 3 times) than the Linux kernel - how so? Also, what > average kernel size do you guys have? > > My FreeBSD box is configured as gateway/NATD/firewall, other than > that there are not too many bells and whistles. The resulting kernel > is a whopping 1'932'208 bytes. Is there something obvious I did not > see? I have a Linux box here: [grog@capellorosso /boot]$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1621492 Aug 23 06:26 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 That's not very different. Note that a lot of hardware support in Linux is done in loadable modules, while FreeBSD has it in the kernel. > Also... how do I display the total size of all files in a single > directory? In general, not by asking two questions at once. This one should go to FreeBSD-questions. > PS: Dont forget to CC your answers to benlutz@datacomm.ch . thanks. Our convention is to group reply. Your From: line is correct, but if it wasn't, you should put in a Reply-To: header. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 17:56:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC58137B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA38D7; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:00:28 -0800 Message-ID: <3A6E3583.B5F42F16@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 17:53:07 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Lehey Cc: Benjamin Lutz , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is the FreeBSD kernel so much bigger than the Linux kernel? References: <20010124115812.G37060@wantadilla.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greg Lehey wrote: > I have a Linux box here: > > [grog@capellorosso /boot]$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1621492 Aug 23 06:26 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 > > That's not very different. Note that a lot of hardware support in > Linux is done in loadable modules, while FreeBSD has it in the kernel. Your Linux is a default kernel off of some distribution (the -22 gives it away). A 2.2.16 kernel I just compiled to support only the hardware actually present on the system weighs in at only 416,492 bytes. That's a quarter the size you gave. (a FreeBSD kernel compiled for the same system was over one megabyte). Granted, FreeBSD has a different architecture than Linux. Comparing the sizes of the kernels is like comparing apples and oranges. But Ben's question was a good one, so I'll expand on it. Does putting the hardware support into the kernel instead of modules account for this big of a difference? David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 18:18: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F7437B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:17:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EDCD6AB73; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:46 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:46 +1030 From: Greg Lehey To: David Johnson Cc: Benjamin Lutz , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is the FreeBSD kernel so much bigger than the Linux kernel? Message-ID: <20010124124746.L37060@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20010124115812.G37060@wantadilla.lemis.com> <3A6E3583.B5F42F16@acuson.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A6E3583.B5F42F16@acuson.com>; from djohnson@acuson.com on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 05:53:07PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 23 January 2001 at 17:53:07 -0800, David Johnson wrote: > Greg Lehey wrote: > >> I have a Linux box here: >> >> [grog@capellorosso /boot]$ ls -l /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 >> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1621492 Aug 23 06:26 /boot/vmlinux-2.2.16-22 >> >> That's not very different. Note that a lot of hardware support in >> Linux is done in loadable modules, while FreeBSD has it in the kernel. > > Your Linux is a default kernel off of some distribution (the -22 gives > it away). A 2.2.16 kernel I just compiled to support only the hardware > actually present on the system weighs in at only 416,492 bytes. That's a > quarter the size you gave. (a FreeBSD kernel compiled for the same > system was over one megabyte). It's also compressed. > Granted, FreeBSD has a different architecture than Linux. Comparing > the sizes of the kernels is like comparing apples and oranges. But > Ben's question was a good one, so I'll expand on it. Does putting > the hardware support into the kernel instead of modules account for > this big of a difference? I don't know. As you say, the comparison isn't too meaningful anyway. I suspect that new things like the CAM layer are much bigger than their old counterparts. My first BSD/386 kernel was only about 600 kB, so there has been a lot of growth. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 18:26:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [216.99.218.165]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1F037B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:26:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.pantherdragon.org [216.99.218.166]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D177744002; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:26:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A6E3D3C.23C00A88@pantherdragon.org> Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 18:26:04 -0800 From: dmp@pantherdragon.org X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Young Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: AMD Duron References: <20010123120803.RFOR26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@co3027913-a> <3A6DBEE8.2A89B966@pantherdragon.org> <005d01c08576$f985e230$837e03cb@dougy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug Young wrote: > > I don't overclock CPU's, don't use computers for games, and don't have > either the time or > the inclination to mess around with components that are excessively "fussy" How does the desire to overclock or play games factor into this discussion? AMDs aren't excessively fussy. In fact, I find them to be less trouble than Intel chips. > > Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: > > > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum > > > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on > > > hardware which performs to spec.) > > > > Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v. Pay no > > attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is > > relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on > > the sticker on the side of the PS. > > > > > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this > > > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips > > > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be > > > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even > > > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have > > > substandard RAM as their cause. > > > > Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty > > safe. If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a > > vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware. > > > > > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card. > > > > Why not? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 21:29:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.sat.net.pk (unknown [202.5.153.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CC637B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:29:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from client1 ([202.133.65.183]) by pop.sat.net.pk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f0OFRoR29805 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:27:55 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <003c01c08633$e6fc91a0$01010101@client1> From: "faisal" To: "freebad" Subject: Kernal size Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:31:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey can you tell me please hoe can you see the size of the kernal file what files are they ? thanks newbie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 21:36:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca [142.177.1.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684FA37B401 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from hlfx38-34.ns.sympatico.ca ([142.177.88.34]) by jubilee.ns.sympatico.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-68925U141000L141000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:36:11 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 01:34:52 -0400 (AST) From: miguel@ns.sympatico.ca (Michael Black) X-Sender: miguel@HOBBITON.SHIRE To: bsd-newbies Subject: Re: Kernal size In-Reply-To: <003c01c08633$e6fc91a0$01010101@client1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think what you are asking is how do you see the size of the kernel file... what you do is go to the root directory than type: ls -a kernel what will show you the size of your kernel... Later, Michael Black On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, faisal wrote: > Hey can you tell me please hoe can you see the size of the kernal file what > files are they ? > > thanks > newbie > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 21:50:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rdc2.il.home.com (ha2.rdc2.il.home.com [24.2.1.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA1537B400 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from marx.marvic.chum ([24.17.229.11]) by mail.rdc2.il.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010124055004.TROO24600.mail.rdc2.il.home.com@marx.marvic.chum>; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 21:50:04 -0800 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.marvic.chum (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id XAA09045; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:53:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:53:11 -0600 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: dmp@pantherdragon.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: AMD Duron Message-ID: <20010123235311.C8473@home.com> References: <20010123120803.RFOR26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@co3027913-a> <3A6DBEE8.2A89B966@pantherdragon.org> <005d01c08576$f985e230$837e03cb@dougy> <3A6E3D3C.23C00A88@pantherdragon.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3A6E3D3C.23C00A88@pantherdragon.org>; from dmp@pantherdragon.org on Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 06:26:04PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 06:26:04PM -0800, dmp@pantherdragon.org wrote: > Doug Young wrote: > How does the desire to overclock or play games factor into this > discussion? > > AMDs aren't excessively fussy. In fact, I find them to be less trouble > than Intel chips. I agree. AMD chips have never given me any problems. I have used them for years on Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD systems. They have always worked great. -- Victor R. Cardona GnuPG Key fingerprint = 62B1 7995 A830 432C 74E8 1337 EDDB E682 3C76 7404 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 23 23:46: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DCB37B404 for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mule ([24.16.193.228]) by femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010124074538.KYXD9070.femail12.sdc1.sfba.home.com@mule> for ; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:45:38 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:45:40 -0800 From: Y X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) Personal Reply-To: Y Organization: CCAAFF X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1521736827.20010123234540@home.com> To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[4]: AMD Duron In-reply-To: <007501c0857b$30785d00$837e03cb@dougy> References: <005b01c084e7$051ccfe0$844285ca@client1> <3A6D9AD0.A408B578@home.com> <002c01c0852a$1d0a5170$837e03cb@dougy> <921331965.20010123031256@home.com> <007501c0857b$30785d00$837e03cb@dougy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Doug, Tuesday, January 23, 2001, 12:29:28, you wrote: DY> Various problems, generally of the "tearing hair out" variety ..... DY> spontaneous reboots are common with WinNT, as are really stupid installation DY> "features" with Win2000 (gets started normally then "loses" the (IDE) CD DY> drive. ........................... sounds like a VIA chipset DMA issue to me, has nothing to do with the AMD chips. SP from www.via.com.tw should be applied, plus VIA DMATOOL, plus HD_TACH would not hurt regardless of chip religion...sounds like a system integrator issue to me...besides, this is not an Offtopic'2000 group :-) I hope that you will sort it out eventually, - there is a number of articles on MSFT website. we even run W2K/NT4 on 4 SOYO 5EMA+ with "illegal" AMD K6-3 333 27/4 I know a website with rather high arrival rate hosted on MSI KT7Pro-2A boards with a Thunderbirds... SCSI, of course. Certainly, if you have fewer troubles w Intel, by all means use it, it's a fine chip, excellent ingeneering, simply a dead end from architectural point of view nowadays IMHO. And I would not care too much for the Co that goes as far as selling "Spy Inside". As for overclocking, those ingeneers aint stupid ;-) -- Best regards, Y mailto:ure.fake@home.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 3:48:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pop.sat.net.pk (unknown [202.5.153.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB12137B6A8 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 03:48:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from client1 ([202.133.65.189]) by pop.sat.net.pk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f0OLl5R07060 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:47:08 -0500 (GMT) Message-ID: <000d01c08668$dd57bf50$bd4185ca@client1> From: "faisal" To: "freebad" Subject: thanks AMD Duron Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:50:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Thanks all you guys out there i was the one who asked this question ... > thank you for your opinions . > well i dont know about high server but i have some experience with desktop > machines i have used pentium III > 550/650 mhz with 100/133 mhz front bus 128MB > And i bought Duron 650 with 200 mhz front bus 64 MB for myself . > And my still runs better dont know why !!! but a friend of mine tells me > that i should compare P III with Athlon which in my case is not so..... > > > anyway thanks for the advises > Faisal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Doug Young" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 6:26 PM > Subject: Re: AMD Duron > > > > Doug Young wrote: > > > > > > I don't overclock CPU's, don't use computers for games, and don't have > > > either the time or > > > the inclination to mess around with components that are excessively > "fussy" > > > > How does the desire to overclock or play games factor into this > > discussion? > > > > AMDs aren't excessively fussy. In fact, I find them to be less trouble > > than Intel chips. > > > > > > Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: > > > > > Secondly, you need a good quality power supply unit for maximum > > > > > reliability (because AMD chips are very particular about running on > > > > > hardware which performs to spec.) > > > > > > > > Specifically, you need a PS that can output 25A on +5v. Pay no > > > > attention to the PS being 250-watt or 300-watt, that number is > > > > relatively worthless, always check the per-voltage output ratings on > > > > the sticker on the side of the PS. > > > > > > > > > Thirdly, it's a good idea to have good quality RAM modules (this > > > > > means that the printed circuit board design must be good, the chips > > > > > themselves must be good, and the construction of the module must be > > > > > good.) This is much more important if you're overclocking, but even > > > > > you're not, you'd be surprised at how many flakey PC's have > > > > > substandard RAM as their cause. > > > > > > > > Buy any generic PC133 stick and use it as PC100 and you're pretty > > > > safe. If you need/want to run 133MHz, buy from Crucial Tech or a > > > > vendor specializing in overclocker/gaming hardware. > > > > > > > > > Oh, and do not use a SoundBlaster Live! card. > > > > > > > > Why not? > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 6:31:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f154.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.154]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D923037B69E for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:31:17 -0800 Received: from 212.147.11.241 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:31:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.147.11.241] Reply-To: MEVickery@hotmail.com From: "M. Vickery" To: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 09:31:17 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2001 14:31:17.0712 (UTC) FILETIME=[500FCD00:01C08612] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe FreeBSD-newbies _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 10:17:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ittoolbox.com (unknown [207.153.236.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC10537B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from Donna [151.197.205.110] by ittoolbox.com (SMTPD32-5.05) id ABFCEF03D8; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:16:31 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Donna Peterson" To: , , , , , Subject: Press Release Question Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:15:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, One of my peers passed your contact information to me, because she felt that your website contained a lot of great information regarding UNIX. The reason that I am contacting you is because I was wondering if your site accepts IT related press releases, (in this case you would just receive those regarding UNIX, although let me know if you would be interested in ones from any of the other portals on our network) and if so, to whom should they be directed? If you could, just send me back a quick "yes" or "no"! If yes, please say where I should send them, the contact name, and if they are posted on your site or not. Thanks, I appreciate your help! Regards, Donna Peterson www.ITtoolbox.com 610.280.9216 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 10:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web6203.mail.yahoo.com (web6203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76E4B37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:36:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010124183637.13007.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.134.68] by web6203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:36:37 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: RS Subject: PPP To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying to get my laptop onto the net, and I cant seem to do it. Any help will be greatly appreciated!! ===== **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) "Look at all the pretty C shells" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 10:38:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.sc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44B537B404 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 10:38:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from sc.rr.com ([24.88.102.101]) by mail5.sc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.537.53); Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:38:32 -0500 Received: (from dmaddox@localhost) by sc.rr.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f0OIdYn79133; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:39:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dmaddox) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:39:34 -0500 From: "Donald J . Maddox" To: RS Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PPP Message-ID: <20010124133934.A79120@cae88-102-101.sc.rr.com> Reply-To: dmaddox@sc.rr.com Mail-Followup-To: RS , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010124183637.13007.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010124183637.13007.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com>; from khalel1@yahoo.com on Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:36:37AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ppp/index.html On Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 10:36:37AM -0800, RS wrote: > Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying to > get my laptop onto the net, and I cant seem to do it. > Any help will be greatly appreciated!! > > ===== > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 11: 2:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4DC37B402 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id FAA10888; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:02:03 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdr10886; Thu Jan 25 05:01:51 2001 Message-ID: <009901c08638$26bbb420$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "RS" , References: <20010124183637.13007.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: PPP Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:02:06 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have a look at http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd ----- Original Message ----- From: "RS" To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:36 AM Subject: PPP > Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying to > get my laptop onto the net, and I cant seem to do it. > Any help will be greatly appreciated!! > > ===== > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 11:51:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web6203.mail.yahoo.com (web6203.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EB33837B404 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:51:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010124195125.23562.qmail@web6203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.134.68] by web6203.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:51:25 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 11:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: RS Subject: Re: PPP To: Doug Young , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug, The site you gave me doesnt come up. --- Doug Young wrote: > Have a look at http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RS" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:36 AM > Subject: PPP > > > > Does anyone have a newbie guide to PPP? Im trying > to > > get my laptop onto the net, and I cant seem to do > it. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated!! > > > > ===== > > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great > prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of > the message ===== **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) "Look at all the pretty C shells" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 12:47:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web6201.mail.yahoo.com (web6201.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.22.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6626B37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010124204732.2495.qmail@web6201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [192.128.134.68] by web6201.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:32 PST Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:47:32 -0800 (PST) From: RS Subject: Modem question To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do I need to configure these devices before I do the set up PPP? If so, how? TIA!! P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie. ===== **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) "Look at all the pretty C shells" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 13: 3:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (imo-d01.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFEF37B401 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from bikeamile@netscape.net by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.ec.a005c4 (16226) for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from netscape.com (aimmail09.aim.aol.com [205.188.144.201]) by air-in02.mx.aol.com (v77.35) with ESMTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:03:24 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:03:35 -0500 From: bikeamile@netscape.net To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe freebsd-newbies Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <5EB2023B.556DD240.02E4CE0F@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Franklin Webmailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe freebsd-newbies __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 13: 5:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63D9F37B400 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 13:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA10980; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:04:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdk10978; Thu Jan 25 07:04:28 2001 Message-ID: <010a01c08649$476af3a0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "RS" , References: <20010124204732.2495.qmail@web6201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Modem question Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 07:04:42 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If your hardware is supported, network configuration with FreeBSD is usually a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a few dialog boxes pop up with simple english questions & thats about it. The unstated proviso is that its assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick to a very short list of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably every time but some people have either more time than I do or more interest in messing about. Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due to the often weird components used so you'll need to check the hardware compatibility list carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for laptop installers but I've never used it If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it ... at least every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "RS" To: Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM Subject: Modem question > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do > I need to configure these devices before I do the set > up PPP? If so, how? TIA!! > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie. > > ===== > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 14: 4:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3337B6B7 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:04:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E07118BB; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:27:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AFF218BA; Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:27:45 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:27:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Doug Young Cc: RS , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Modem question In-Reply-To: <010a01c08649$476af3a0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You might also ask in -questions, as -newbies is not for technical questions (and answers,) whatsoever. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > If your hardware is supported, network configuration with FreeBSD is usually > a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a few dialog boxes > pop up > with simple english questions & thats about it. The unstated proviso is that > its > assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick to a very short > list > of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably every time but > some > people have either more time than I do or more interest in messing about. > > Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due to the often weird > components used so you'll need to check the hardware compatibility list > carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for laptop installers > but > I've never used it > > If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it ... at least > every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RS" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM > Subject: Modem question > > > > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you > > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the > > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the > > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with > > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD > > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do > > I need to configure these devices before I do the set > > up PPP? If so, how? TIA!! > > > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie. > > > > ===== > > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 14:28:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f269.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.240.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866A637B400; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 14:28:38 -0800 Received: from 208.7.67.84 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:28:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.7.67.84] From: "Dead Line" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to "Quota" / "upgrade." Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 22:28:38 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2001 22:28:38.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF2F2AF0:01C08654] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I did and read alot about upgrading the version, and about CVSup or re building the kernel for some reasons like to enable the sound card or any other things. But i still confused too much about this subject, I hope this will be my first guide from you. I'm on FreeBSD 4.2-Release. For Disk Quotas, 1) I First Edit my kernel /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC to options QUOTA or should I cp GENERIC MYKERNEL and then edit MYKERNEL insted of GENERIC ? im confused here. :< 2) Second I edit /etc/rc.conf to enable_quotas=``YES'' 3) Edit /etc/fstab to enable disk quotas /dev/da1s2g /home ufs rw,groupquota 1 2 what is the 1 2 after groupquota ? should i write the groups name for example /dev/da1s2g /home ufs rw,groupquota test assuming that test is a group. 4) Now i should recompile the kernel, this is the problem :< what i should do now? can please kindly someone guide me throe this steps how to compile ? === For system UPdate, im On FreeBSD 4.2-release as i mentiond. If i want to upgrade to 4.2-stable what i do? Should i install /ports/net/cvsup-bin ? and then? Sorry if my questions is too long or silly for you. but the freebsd.org handbook, mention lot of things and im confuse about it, i would like to take the info from here. Thank you again and again. -Marwan _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 24 15:16:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419E137B698 for ; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from charter (24-240-235-35.hsacorp.net [24.240.235.35]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD9E7177EA7; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:16:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <004d01c0865b$ccd486c0$0204a8c0@net.Daimon> From: "Michael J. Turner" To: "RS" , References: <20010124204732.2495.qmail@web6201.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Modem question Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:17:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have to configure your ppp.conf and set it to what com your modem is on. and set the number to your ISP and so forth -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "RS" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 2:47 PM Subject: Modem question > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do > I need to configure these devices before I do the set > up PPP? If so, how? TIA!! > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie. > > ===== > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 0:28:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ratatosk.sveg.se.sykes.com (proxy.sveg.se.sykes.com [195.67.11.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D2A37B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:27:58 +0100 Message-ID: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D70410895C@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= To: RS Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, 'Rick Hamell' Subject: RE: Modem question Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:27:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I double that, and recommend to ask in -mobile, since they now A LOT about laptops.. Just when you ask, remember to tell your laptop model, modem model (if you know it) and definitely the freebsd version (the newer the better, at least on laptops) Laptop internal modems tend to be winmodems, so you might need to buy a pcmcia. And that said, you can see why you shouldn't ask questions in -newbies. Below you can see that Doug said PCMCIA modems tend to be winmodems, I say integrated modems tend to be winmodems. Which is correct, or are they both? (I know that at least I'M right :) You can never be sure that answers on -newbies list are correct. -------------------------------------------- - www.jukkis.net - Jukkis - www.jukkis.net - -------------------------------------------- > > You might also ask in -questions, as -newbies is not > for technical > questions (and answers,) whatsoever. :) > > Rick > > ******************************************************************* > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > > > If your hardware is supported, network configuration with > FreeBSD is usually > > a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a > few dialog boxes > > pop up > > with simple english questions & thats about it. The > unstated proviso is that > > its > > assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick > to a very short > > list > > of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably > every time but > > some > > people have either more time than I do or more interest in > messing about. > > > > Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due to > the often weird > > components used so you'll need to check the hardware > compatibility list > > carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for > laptop installers > > but > > I've never used it > > > > If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it > ... at least > > every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "RS" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM > > Subject: Modem question > > > > > > > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you > > > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the > > > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the > > > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with > > > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD > > > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do > > > I need to configure these devices before I do the set > > > up PPP? If so, how? TIA!! > > > > > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie. > > > > > > ===== > > > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > > > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 0:43:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663B837B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 00:42:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA11605; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:42:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdK11603; Thu Jan 25 18:42:37 2001 Message-ID: <00a801c086aa$ce8bbac0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= , "RS" Cc: , "'Rick Hamell'" References: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D70410895C@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> Subject: Re: Modem question Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:42:50 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm not 100% certain about all PCMCIA modems available elsewhere in the world, but late last year I searched high & low in OZ for both PCMCIA & GSM modems that weren't winmodems. There were only three, all industrial grade external GSM models (Falcom / Ericsson / Siemens). The local agents for all other PCMCIA & internal products readily available here in OZ confirmed that their products were winmodems & only suitable for Win98 & possibly WinME. I've yet to find any currently available internal modem (PCI / PCMCIA / GSM) that works in FreeBSD, Solaris, WinNT, or Win2000. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jukka Simil�" To: "RS" Cc: ; "'Rick Hamell'" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: RE: Modem question > I double that, and recommend to ask in -mobile, since > they now A LOT about laptops.. > > Just when you ask, remember to tell your laptop model, > modem model (if you know it) and definitely the > freebsd version (the newer the better, at least on laptops) > > Laptop internal modems tend to be winmodems, so you might need > to buy a pcmcia. > > And that said, you can see why you shouldn't ask questions > in -newbies. Below you can see that Doug said PCMCIA modems tend > to be winmodems, I say integrated modems tend to be winmodems. > Which is correct, or are they both? (I know that at least I'M right :) > > You can never be sure that answers on -newbies list are correct. > > -------------------------------------------- > - www.jukkis.net - Jukkis - www.jukkis.net - > -------------------------------------------- > > > > > You might also ask in -questions, as -newbies is not > > for technical > > questions (and answers,) whatsoever. :) > > > > Rick > > > > ******************************************************************* > > Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd > > Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware > > ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org > > > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Doug Young wrote: > > > > > If your hardware is supported, network configuration with > > FreeBSD is usually > > > a quite straightforward part of normal installation .... a > > few dialog boxes > > > pop up > > > with simple english questions & thats about it. The > > unstated proviso is that > > > its > > > assumed you've got compatible hardware. I personally stick > > to a very short > > > list > > > of stuff that I've found from experience to work reliably > > every time but > > > some > > > people have either more time than I do or more interest in > > messing about. > > > > > > Laptops are inclined to be a pain in the posterior due to > > the often weird > > > components used so you'll need to check the hardware > > compatibility list > > > carefully. I believe there is a special page or site for > > laptop installers > > > but > > > I've never used it > > > > > > If the modem is a PCMCIA one you may be out of luck with it > > ... at least > > > every one of those I've met was of the winmodem family. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "RS" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 6:47 AM > > > Subject: Modem question > > > > > > > > > > OK. Ive gotten some great sites on PPP help from you > > > > guys. Funny, I didnt even notice the link on the > > > > FreeBSD.org site. Anyway, let me give you guys the > > > > whole scenario. A friend of mine gave me a laptop with > > > > RH Linux on it. I blew it out, then installed FreeBSD > > > > on it. This laptop has a modem and a ethernet card. Do > > > > I need to configure these devices before I do the set > > > > up PPP? If so, how? TIA!! > > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry, but im the ultimate newbie. > > > > > > > > ===== > > > > **R.S.** (pronounced R-dot S-dot) > > > > "Look at all the pretty C shells" > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 2:37:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kconline.com (kconline.com [216.241.132.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C65E37B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from kconline.com (usr1-334.warsaw.kconline.com [216.241.130.146]) by mail.kconline.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0PAb5v01795 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:37:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from billsr@kconline.com) Message-ID: <3A700003.F837E9AF@kconline.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:29:23 -0500 From: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: free-bsd newbies Subject: PPP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, have a pci diamond supra-max internal v.90 modem on com3, when setting up Kppp, error sorry can't open modem. How do i know if bsd 4.0 knows i have a modem? Bill L. Johnson Sr. billsr@kconline.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 2:46:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kconline.com (kconline.com [216.241.132.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5C237B401 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:46:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kconline.com (usr1-284.warsaw.kconline.com [216.241.130.30]) by mail.kconline.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f0PAkDv03945 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:46:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from billsr@kconline.com) Message-ID: <3A700227.42165770@kconline.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:38:31 -0500 From: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: free-bsd newbies Subject: Apache Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Again All, Is Apache a stand alone web browser like Opera and Netscape??? Bill L. Johnson Sr. billsr@kconline.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 2:49:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CB1937B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:49:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11705; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:49:17 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdn11703; Thu Jan 25 20:49:06 2001 Message-ID: <011a01c086bc$79f8dc60$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." , "free-bsd newbies" References: <3A700227.42165770@kconline.com> Subject: Re: Apache Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:49:18 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Apache is a server ..... Opera & Netscape (navigator /communicator) are clients ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." To: "free-bsd newbies" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:38 PM Subject: Apache > Hi Again All, > Is Apache a stand alone web browser like Opera and Netscape??? > > Bill L. Johnson Sr. > billsr@kconline.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 2:55:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05C937B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 02:55:34 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA11716; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:55:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdf11714; Thu Jan 25 20:55:19 2001 Message-ID: <012601c086bd$58a93900$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." , "free-bsd newbies" References: <3A700003.F837E9AF@kconline.com> Subject: Re: PPP Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:55:33 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org COM3 isn't enabled in default installations, a kernel compile is necessary to use it. I'd be VERY surprised if that modem will work anyway because I have never met an internal PCI modem that isn't a winmodem ..... maybe some exist in yankeeland but they certainly don't in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." To: "free-bsd newbies" Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: PPP > Hi All, > have a pci diamond supra-max internal v.90 modem on com3, when setting > up Kppp, error sorry can't open modem. How do i know if bsd 4.0 knows i > have a modem? > > Bill L. Johnson Sr. > billsr@kconline.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 3: 4: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6172537B404 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 03:03:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from WhizKid (r16.bfm.org [216.127.220.112]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:05:34 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010125050359.009c24d0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:03:59 -0600 To: "Bill L. Johnson Sr." , free-bsd newbies From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: Apache In-Reply-To: <3A700227.42165770@kconline.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:38 25-01-2001 -0500, Bill L. Johnson Sr. wrote: >Hi Again All, >Is Apache a stand alone web browser like Opera and Netscape??? Apache is not a browser. It is a web server, that is the software that runs a web site. Adam --- Whiz Kid Technomagic - brand name computers for less. See http://www.whizkidtech.net/pcwarehouse/ for details. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 8:26: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.uky.edu (smtp.uky.edu [128.163.2.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC40D37B6A8 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:25:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from balthasar.pop.uky.edu ([128.163.244.98]) by smtp.uky.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA84432 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:25:44 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.1.4.0.20010125112704.009f1cb0@pop.uky.edu> X-Sender: jbpoll0@pop.uky.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.1 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:28:39 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: James Polly Subject: how apache works... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Knowing that Apache is a web server, and knowing that it is very widely used, how exactly is it used, and how does it work? Thanks James. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 8:53:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lanshark.lanminds.com (lanshark.lanminds.com [208.25.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F281D37B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from drtboi.lmi.net (drtboi.lanminds.com [207.33.49.4]) by lanshark.lanminds.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23325; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 08:53:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.0.20010125112704.009f1cb0@pop.uky.edu> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:07:22 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Meister To: James Polly Subject: RE: how apache works... Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25-Jan-2001 James Polly wrote: > Knowing that Apache is a web server, and knowing that it is very widely > used, how exactly is it used, and how does it work? > I suggest you check out http://www.apache.org In particular http://www.apache.org/httpd Also, if you download the source and check out the default configuration files, you will find they are very well-documented (look at httpd.conf). As a brief, and perhaps mis-focused answer to your question (which was a tad vague), Apache runs as a daemon on a *nix server (FreeBSD, Linux, HP/UX, whatever). It reads config information from a file called httpd.conf, which can be specified on the apache command line (something to the effect of /httpd -f /httpd.conf). It is very easy to compile and install (though you should, of course, read all documentation, first). I managed to have my first web server up and running, back when I could barely install FreeBSD on my own, in a few hours. -Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 9:44:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bsd.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CDD37B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:44:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike.sixpak.net [192.168.10.2]) by bsd.sixpak.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f0PHhvI00287 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:44:02 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sixpak.net) Message-ID: <00ea01c086f6$8d611300$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: Subject: Frustrated with FreeBSD Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:45:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C086CC.A15F4680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C086CC.A15F4680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have spent the last 48 - 72 hours pounding my head against the wall = attempting to get a few things to work correctly. FreeBSD 4.2 running on a pretty basic hardware setup. It seems to be = running just fine. My problems are when I start trying to configure a = few things Sendmail and Qpopper I've managed to get working. This was a pleasant = surprise :) DNS may NOT be working. It's hard to tell from inside my network but = I'm beginning to suspect that it's my secondary name server which is = resolving the domain for the world. Named is starting up and tells me = things like Zone "name" (file) is using SOA minimum and that named is = ready to answer queries. However, the seconday won't load, my secondary DNS still has the old = entries, and in Linux it used to say "Zone MASTER" now it just says = "Zone". The firewall is a nightmare. I followed the default using client and = simple and both of those lock me out and prevent forwarding. I get = "Failed to write packet back (Permission Denied)". Only "open" works. = I also tried the example from the graveconcern site and I get the same = problems. I've followed the examples straight out of the complete = FreeBSD book and STILL my inside network can't get out. Just when I = leave the firewall wide open. Has anyone experienced similiar problems? Anyone have any = recommendations for me to conduct some last bit of research before I = throw in the towel? I'm not stupid, I've managed to get my linux server = running, but I'm having WAY too many problems with no information here. = Some things are just NOT making sense. Mike ------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C086CC.A15F4680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have spent the last 48 - 72 hours = pounding my=20 head against the wall attempting to get a few things to work=20 correctly.

FreeBSD 4.2 running on a pretty basic = hardware=20 setup. It seems to be running just fine. My problems are = when I=20 start trying to configure a few things

Sendmail and Qpopper I've managed to = get=20 working. This was a pleasant surprise :)

DNS may NOT be working. It's hard = to tell=20 from inside my network but I'm beginning to suspect that it's my = secondary name=20 server which is resolving the domain for the world. Named is = starting up=20 and tells me things like Zone "name" (file) is using SOA minimum and = that named=20 is ready to answer queries.

However, the seconday won't load, my = secondary DNS=20 still has the old entries, and in Linux it used to say "Zone MASTER" now = it just=20 says "Zone".

The firewall is a nightmare. I = followed the=20 default using client and simple and both of those lock me out and = prevent=20 forwarding. I get "Failed to write packet back (Permission = Denied)". =20 Only "open" works. I also tried the example from the graveconcern = site and=20 I get the same problems. I've followed the examples straight out = of the=20 complete FreeBSD book and STILL my inside network can't get out. = Just when=20 I leave the firewall wide open.

Has anyone experienced similiar = problems? =20 Anyone have any recommendations for me to conduct some last bit of = research=20 before I throw in the towel? I'm not stupid, I've managed to get = my linux=20 server running, but I'm having WAY too many problems with no=20 information here. Some things are just NOT making = sense.

Mike

------=_NextPart_000_00E7_01C086CC.A15F4680-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 9:58:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nths.nvusd.k12.ca.us (nths-exchange.nths.nvusd.k12.ca.us [209.232.116.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFE537B6A2 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:58:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: crontab To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.5 September 22, 2000 Message-ID: From: CBurdick@nths.nvusd.k12.ca.us Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:00:01 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on THSServer0/NAPATH(Release 5.0.5 |September 22, 2000) at 01/25/2001 10:00:06 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://packetstorm.securify.com/advisories/freebsd/FreeBSD-SA-01:09.crontab To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 11:16:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B55E537B6A2 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:15:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from WhizKid (rh26.bfm.org [216.127.220.219]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:17:48 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010125131613.009be8b0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:16:13 -0600 To: James Polly , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: how apache works... In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.0.20010125112704.009f1cb0@pop.uky.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:28 25-01-2001 -0500, James Polly wrote: >Knowing that Apache is a web server, and knowing that it is very widely >used, how exactly is it used, and how does it work? Apache is a very complex piece of software to be explained "exactly" in a single message. But you can read its FAQ at: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html That should either answer your questions or point you in the right direction. Cheers, Adam --- Whiz Kid Technomagic - brand name computers for less. See http://www.whizkidtech.net/pcwarehouse/ for details. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 20:55:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3690B37B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:55:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike [192.168.10.2]) by mail.sixpak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA01106; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 00:40:57 -0500 Message-ID: <007c01c08754$3eb92ea0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: Cc: "Ryan" , "Michael J. Turner" , "Doug Young" Subject: Frustrated but trying again Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:55:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug. Between the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the leap again. This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with php3, and of course a firewall. With your help and input - I hope to transform this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process. Perhaps this will help some folks as well. Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information. People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first page, see some articles, and that was it. Holy Shit, I never clicked on "Index". I had no idea all that info was available. Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning Step #4 - I'm installing bash. I like bash, ALOT. It's 10x better than csh. Besides, it easy :) Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources? Do I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall? What do YOU recommend? So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step instructions. But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the right direction. Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea? I can end up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 21: 6:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F8437B400 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C26D718BE; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A9B18BD; Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:29:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Mike Cc: FreeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again In-Reply-To: <007c01c08754$3eb92ea0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step > instructions. But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the > right direction. Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea? I can end > up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress. You really should post questions in -questions... that's what it is for. -Newbies is *NOT* a technical list for many reasons. :) You might also want to check some of my links below... Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 21: 7:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADCA137B698 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA12646; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:06:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdo12644; Fri Jan 26 15:06:47 2001 Message-ID: <013d01c08755$d1d45f60$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Mike" , Cc: "Ryan" , "Michael J. Turner" References: <007c01c08754$3eb92ea0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:07:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've only just started messing with CVS & firewalls after nearly two years of FreeBSD .... got it updating ports & source but from what I've seen to date I'd rate the whole CVS bit as useless. Broken ports (yes there are a heap of them) are still broken even after several weeks of updates. Its probably simpler to just buy (or download the ISO) & replace the o/s every major version. At least kernel compiles are a lot more straightforward than those stupid thousand line disasters common to linux & they don't usually result in 987,000 error messages before crashing in a smouldering heap either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Cc: "Ryan" ; "Michael J. Turner" ; "Doug Young" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Frustrated but trying again > First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug. Between > the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the > leap again. > > This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server > which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with php3, > and of course a firewall. With your help and input - I hope to transform > this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process. > Perhaps this will help some folks as well. > > Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information. > People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first page, > see some articles, and that was it. Holy Shit, I never clicked on "Index". > I had no idea all that info was available. > > Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE > > Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning > > Step #4 - I'm installing bash. I like bash, ALOT. It's 10x better than > csh. Besides, it easy :) > > Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources? Do > I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall? What do YOU > recommend? > > So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step > instructions. But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the > right direction. Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea? I can end > up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress. > > Mike > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 25 23:14:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail01.vsnl.net (mail01.vsnl.net [203.197.12.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5649337B402 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 23:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from subdimension.com ([203.197.78.65]) by mail01.vsnl.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id G7RDF803.9DV for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:43:56 +0530 Message-ID: <3A7122D0.44D0CADD@subdimension.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:40:08 +0530 From: Anirudh Dutt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: unmounting cd rom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi well, mounting the cdrom wasn't such an issue. the problem i had (or rather have) is with umounting. when i say: # umount /cdrom it says that the devide is busy. "eject" seems to be missing from my system (or is it supposed to be that way?). i am aware that i doesn't unmount cdrom if there is a file of the cd open in one of the terminals or if u are in one of it's subdirectories...i checked for both of these but no such thing. so what's causing the "deive busy" and preventing the unmount bye ]# Anirudh Dutt ...pilot of the storm who leaves no trace Like thoughts inside a dream To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 26 5:12:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (ha1.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au [203.164.2.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A705637B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:12:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from RYAN ([203.164.161.45]) by mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20010126131201.YCXY26799.mss.rdc2.nsw.optushome.com.au@RYAN>; Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:12:01 +1100 From: "Ryan" To: "'Mike'" , Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" , "'Doug Young'" Subject: RE: Frustrated but trying again Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 00:12:28 +1000 Message-ID: <001501c087a2$060e0e10$0200a8c0@RYAN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <007c01c08754$3eb92ea0$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey mike i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to routing/natd/firewall leave the firewall open then install the services you need dns first as the others will depend on it www smtp pop3 then start tweaking the firewall -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young Subject: Frustrated but trying again First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug. Between the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the leap again. This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with php3, and of course a firewall. With your help and input - I hope to transform this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process. Perhaps this will help some folks as well. Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information. People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first page, see some articles, and that was it. Holy Shit, I never clicked on "Index". I had no idea all that info was available. Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning Step #4 - I'm installing bash. I like bash, ALOT. It's 10x better than csh. Besides, it easy :) Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources? Do I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall? What do YOU recommend? So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step instructions. But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the right direction. Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea? I can end up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress. Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 26 5:18:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113BF37B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 05:18:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA12998; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:18:10 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdq12996; Fri Jan 26 23:18:05 2001 Message-ID: <011e01c0879a$73684320$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Ryan" , "'Mike'" , Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" References: <001501c087a2$060e0e10$0200a8c0@RYAN> Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 23:18:15 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'd be interested in hearing if the kernel compile works properly ..... a few of us have been getting compile failures in 4.2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan" To: "'Mike'" ; Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" ; "'Doug Young'" Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 12:12 AM Subject: RE: Frustrated but trying again > hey mike > i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to > routing/natd/firewall > > leave the firewall open > > then install the services you need > > dns first as the others will depend on it > > www > > smtp > > pop3 > > then start tweaking the firewall > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike > Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young > Subject: Frustrated but trying again > > > First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug. Between > the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the > leap again. > > This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server > which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with php3, > and of course a firewall. With your help and input - I hope to transform > this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process. > Perhaps this will help some folks as well. > > Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information. > People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first page, > see some articles, and that was it. Holy Shit, I never clicked on "Index". > I had no idea all that info was available. > > Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE > > Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning > > Step #4 - I'm installing bash. I like bash, ALOT. It's 10x better than > csh. Besides, it easy :) > > Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources? Do > I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall? What do YOU > recommend? > > So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step > instructions. But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the > right direction. Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea? I can end > up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we progress. > > Mike > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 26 7: 7:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.sixpak.net (adsl-151-204-22-8.adsl.bellatlantic.net [151.204.22.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C879637B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mike (mike [192.168.10.2]) by mail.sixpak.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA01585; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:52:27 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c087a9$cbf49340$020aa8c0@sixpak.net> From: "Mike" To: "Doug Young" , "Ryan" , References: <001501c087a2$060e0e10$0200a8c0@RYAN> <011e01c0879a$73684320$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The last time I recompiled I ran into problems with the USB section during make. I'll give it a whirl here in just a few and let you know how it pans out. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Young" To: "Ryan" ; "'Mike'" ; Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Frustrated but trying again > I'd be interested in hearing if the kernel compile works properly ..... > a few of us have been getting compile failures in 4.2 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ryan" > To: "'Mike'" ; > Cc: "'Michael J. Turner'" ; "'Doug Young'" > > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 12:12 AM > Subject: RE: Frustrated but trying again > > > > hey mike > > i'd probably get the network up and running stuff related to > > routing/natd/firewall > > > > leave the firewall open > > > > then install the services you need > > > > dns first as the others will depend on it > > > > www > > > > smtp > > > > pop3 > > > > then start tweaking the firewall > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike > > Sent: Friday, 26 January 2001 2:56 PM > > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG > > Cc: Ryan; Michael J. Turner; Doug Young > > Subject: Frustrated but trying again > > > > > > First I want to say a heart-felt Thank You to Ryan, Mike, and Doug. > Between > > the three of you guys and your various comments and humor - I'm making the > > leap again. > > > > This system needs to make the leap of replacing my current linux server > > which runs sendmail and pop, dns for a couple of domains, apache with > php3, > > and of course a firewall. With your help and input - I hope to transform > > this box into exactly that replacement and document the entire process. > > Perhaps this will help some folks as well. > > > > Step #1 - www.freebsddiary.com has an unbelievable amount of information. > > People had referred me to it previously, but I would look at the first > page, > > see some articles, and that was it. Holy Shit, I never clicked on > "Index". > > I had no idea all that info was available. > > > > Step #2 - I just did a reinstall (via ftp) of 4.2-RELEASE > > > > Step #3 - I'm getting some sleep and hitting this hard tomorrow morning > > > > Step #4 - I'm installing bash. I like bash, ALOT. It's 10x better than > > csh. Besides, it easy :) > > > > Step #5 - I dunno??? Do I create the CVS thingie and update the sources? > Do > > I recompile my kernel in preparation for natd and firewall? What do YOU > > recommend? > > > > So I don't scare you away - I don't need hand holding and step by step > > instructions. But occasionally things get buggy and I need a step in the > > right direction. Is this corn-balled or is this a decent idea? I can end > > up posting everything on a website or submit it all to diary as we > progress. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 26 9: 0:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE8D37B400 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA08862; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:00:01 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from ts005d27.mer-id.concentric.net (ts005d27.mer-id.concentric.net [206.173.184.231]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA29256; Fri, 26 Jan 2001 11:59:58 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 07:57:43 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke