From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 2:17: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from glitnir.cfar.umd.edu (glitnir.cfar.umd.edu [128.8.132.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D8337B503; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 02:17:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from glitnir.cfar.umd.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by glitnir.cfar.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA08244; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:16:52 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200102181016.FAA08244@glitnir.cfar.umd.edu> To: Uri.Shenderovich@lightscapenet.com Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Supporting threads by gcc-2.95.2 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:48:13 +0200." Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:16:52 -0500 From: Andrew Arensburger Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:48:13 +0200, Uri.Shenderovich@lightscapenet.com wrote: > Hi , > I've recently installed FreeBSD(4.1) and was trying to compile something > that requires > posix threads supported.The 'configure' discovered that gcc doesn't support > threads. > Is it true and I have to get sources and recompile the gcc ? > Or maybe I just , forgot to install something :( ? I believe that under Linux, to compile with threads, you link with the 'pthreads' library, i.e., you compile with "gcc -lpthread". Under FreeBSD, however, you compile with "gcc -pthread". Presumably the 'configure' script is broken. A quick and dirty hack is to edit 'configure' and replace all instances of "-lpthread" with "-pthread". -- Andrew Arensburger, Systems guy Center for Automation Research arensb@cfar.umd.edu University of Maryland How many programmers does it take to debug an AI? One, but the program has to really, really want to change. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 6:43:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FC137B491 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 06:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p253.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.253]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA124210; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:43:15 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00549; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:34:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 13:34:11 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: "G. Jason Middleton" Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The revolution will not be televised. Is this Beuys or Andy Warhol or where is this quote from ? Something from the early seventies or sixties. H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 8:47:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (smtp8.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455A837B401 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 08:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23147 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:47:06 +0100 (CET) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19091; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:47:06 +0100 (CET) From: "renven" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Subject: .:: how to make make make install? Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:57:50 +0100 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Message-ID: <96oua1$j7q$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have to make install the pptp client (because of some adsl en vpn things). I'm a real newbie and i'm wondering what to do when make tell me that he can't make install? Wath packages do i have to isntall additionally? thanks r To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 10:55:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from web9306.mail.yahoo.com (web9306.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.129.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 802C337B401 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:55:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20010218185518.14573.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [212.253.3.41] by web9306.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:55:18 PST Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 10:55:18 -0800 (PST) From: Omer Faruk Sen Subject: Turkish FreeBSD Installation guide. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. We have translated FreeBSD (4.2) Installation Guide to Turkish language and will be helpful for guys out there whose native language is Turkish. It is not a from scratch documentation.It has translated from Randy Pratt's http://people.freebsd.org/~rpratt/ documentation.Thanks for making some kind of document Randy. Turkish Guide resides at http://www.EnderUnix.org/documents/freebsd_kurulum/ We EnderUnix is also official mirror of FreeBSD,NetBSD and Qmail.We are also mirroring OpenBSD site.And have waiting answer from OBSD team to entitle as OBSD official mirror REGARDS __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 16: 5:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from lioness.tygger.net (CPE-144-132-5-13.vic.bigpond.net.au [144.132.5.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B4037B491 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by lioness.tygger.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4DBD31A; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:10:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:10:50 +0000 From: solitaire To: Heiko Recktenwald Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: test Message-ID: <20010219111050.A11260@lioness.tygger.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de on Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 01:34:11PM +0100 X-Religion: FreeBSD mutt slrn vim w3m Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 01:34:11PM +0100, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > The revolution will not be televised. > > Is this Beuys or Andy Warhol or where is this quote from ? > > Something from the early seventies or sixties. > Gil Scott-Heron - _The Revolution Will Not Be Televised_ , 1974 or 1975. He may have taken the line from elsewhere, I suppose, but it's the classic reference - "You will not be able to stay home, brother, you will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out" sol. . -- (o_ "You know you've been hacking too long when you can recognise a //\ console green on black 3x3 ascii art penguin... by the *noise* it v_/_ makes." -- attributed to sharkey (penguin by Carolyn) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 17:48:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (apana.internode.on.net [150.101.94.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7785337B684 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:48:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from PhD_1.testname.com.au (bra@dialup-10.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.139]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA04230 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:46:24 +1030 (CST) From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: "newbies" Subject: Cant find -questions Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 19:42:45 +1030 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The reason I am raising this problem in -newbies can be seen below. Solutions anyone? The original message was received at Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:55:13 +1030 (CST) from bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: >>>> RCPT To: <<< 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] ... Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] Warning: message still undelivered after 2 days Will keep trying until message is 1 week, 3 days -- Regards, Brian ******************************************************** Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow Flinders University Institute of International Education Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 bastill@sa.apana.org.au ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 17:48:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (apana.internode.on.net [150.101.94.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E97DA37B65D for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:48:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from PhD_1.testname.com.au (bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA14146; Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:55:57 +1030 (CST) From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: "newbies" , Subject: Cant find -questions (or -newbies) Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:49:50 +1030 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug, I am not getting through to either newbies or questions. As you are (a) a guru (b) involved with -newbies and -questions (c) an apana person I thought you might be the person from whom to seek help. This lack of communication started after I wrote to postmaster asking for a name-change to -newbiechat and asking for a public explanation if a change was not possible. Coincidence, I'm sure. ------------------ The reason I am raising this problem in -newbies can be seen below. Solutions anyone? The original message was received at Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:55:13 +1030 (CST) from bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138] ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: >>>> RCPT To: <<< 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] ... Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] Warning: message still undelivered after 2 days Will keep trying until message is 1 week, 3 days -- Regards, Brian ******************************************************** Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow Flinders University Institute of International Education Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 bastill@sa.apana.org.au ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 19: 8:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 136F637B4EC; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:08:24 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au Cc: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <065701c092dc$a322c840$847e03cb@apana.org.au> (dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Message-Id: <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:08:24 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org what does Sue Blake, Greg Lehey and the other old timers on the freebsd-newbies list have to say about the name change. in part this seems to be a simple matter of people not reading the mail list charter, which is sent to them when they first subscribe: > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > Welcome to FreeBSD! > This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. > > Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > (NOT to the newbies list please) > > Full info and FAK http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ > Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Feb 18 19:36:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A48537B4EC; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 19:36:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from [166.70.6.71] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14Uh86-0004sp-00; Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:36:50 -0700 From: Joe Warner To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 20:20:02 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="" Cc: hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01021820364301.00308@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 18 Feb 2001, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > what does Sue Blake, Greg Lehey and the other old timers on the > freebsd-newbies list have to say about the name change. I got a response from Greg Lehey saying that he didn't think a name change or doing away with the list all together would be a viable solution. He closed saying everyone will just have to live with things as they are. > > in part this seems to be a simple matter of people not reading the > mail list charter, which is sent to them when they first subscribe: Agreed but how many charters have you read in their entirety after subscribing to a list? Maybe you have a good habit of reading and understanding the charters before sending email, however I'm guilty of subscribing to lists and deleting the charters without reading them. Yes, I'm a bad boy sometimes. 8^) I initially subscribed to -newbies because I "assumed" it was a list where newbies could post technical questions. I made this assumption based on the current name of the list. If it would have been called "freebsd-dontaskquestionshere.org", I probably wouldn't have subscribed right away and posted my questions to -questions instead. > > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > > > Welcome to FreeBSD! > > This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > > Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. > > > > Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > (NOT to the newbies list please) > > > > Full info and FAK http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ > > Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html > > jmb Maybe the list should be renamed to "freebsd-newbies-readthecharterfirst.org"? (just kidding) 8^) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 0:16:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f36.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809AD37B4EC for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 00:16:33 -0800 Received: from 203.121.16.72 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:16:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.121.16.72] From: "BSD Blood" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: How's the term 'Port' used? Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:16:33 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Feb 2001 08:16:33.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[450F8190:01C09A4C] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From 'The Complete FreeBSD' and the 'FreeBSD Handbook' I notice that 'port' is used in a slightly different manner. 'FreeBSD Handbook' uses it to refer to a software package?. 'The Complete FreeBSD' used it to refer to additinal files needed to adapt a package to build on FreeBSD. So, obviously "install a port" can have 2 meanings. Is a package and port used in the same manner? Can anyone please clarify. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 1:28:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60DE37B4EC for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:28:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p178.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.178]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA107166; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:28:11 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA01104; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:00:08 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 02:00:08 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: solitaire Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: test In-Reply-To: <20010219111050.A11260@lioness.tygger.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the quote ! H. On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, solitaire wrote: > On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 01:34:11PM +0100, Heiko Recktenwald wrote: > > > The revolution will not be televised. > > > > Is this Beuys or Andy Warhol or where is this quote from ? > > > > Something from the early seventies or sixties. > > > > Gil Scott-Heron - _The Revolution Will Not Be Televised_ , 1974 or > 1975. He may have taken the line from elsewhere, I suppose, but it's > the classic reference - "You will not be able to stay home, brother, > you will not be able to plug in, turn on and cop out" > > sol. > . > -- > (o_ "You know you've been hacking too long when you can recognise a > //\ console green on black 3x3 ascii art penguin... by the *noise* it > v_/_ makes." > -- attributed to sharkey (penguin by Carolyn) > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 1:47:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1985D37B503; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 01:47:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA22698; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:47:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpde22696; Mon Feb 19 19:47:07 2001 Message-ID: <002d01c09a59$0338e100$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: , , , References: <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:47:43 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not totally certain, however I get the impression they strongly resent any attempt to change the status quo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: Cc: ; ; ; Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Hello from russia! > > what does Sue Blake, Greg Lehey and the other old timers on the > freebsd-newbies list have to say about the name change. > > in part this seems to be a simple matter of people not reading the > mail list charter, which is sent to them when they first subscribe: > > > FREEBSD-NEWBIES > > > > Welcome to FreeBSD! > > This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > > Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. > > > > Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > (NOT to the newbies list please) > > > > Full info and FAK http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ > > Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html > > jmb > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 5: 1: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (mailer.cse.iitd.ac.in [202.141.68.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1B637B491 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from cse.iitd.ernet.in (root@poorvi.cse.iitd.ernet.in [10.20.3.12]) by desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04997 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:34:21 +0530 Received: from localhost (csu96154@localhost) by cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01967 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:34:27 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: csu96154 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:34:27 +0530 (IST) From: Rakhesh Sasidharan X-Sender: csu96154@localhost.localdomain To: "newbies@FreeBSD.org" Subject: ifconfig error Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Upon assigning an address to an interface, I get an error like this. For eg: # ifconfig lo2 inet 10.20.3.12 netmask 0xff000000 in6_ifattach_addaddr: rtrequest failed. errno = 17 <<<<---- the error The assignment succeeds, but still, any idea on what this error is and why it is produced ? Regards. __ Rakhesh Sasidharan rakhesh at cse.iitd.ac.in To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 5: 4:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (mailer.cse.iitd.ac.in [202.141.68.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E27937B4EC for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 05:04:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from cse.iitd.ernet.in (root@poorvi.cse.iitd.ernet.in [10.20.3.12]) by desh.cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05061 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:38:05 +0530 Received: from localhost (csu96154@localhost) by cse.iitd.ernet.in (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02029 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:38:11 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: csu96154 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:38:11 +0530 (IST) From: Rakhesh Sasidharan X-Sender: csu96154@localhost.localdomain To: "newbies@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Oops! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm sorry ... I just sent a (newbie) technical question to newbies. I think that is not supposed to be correct, right ? I'm sorry if it was wrong. Regards. __ Rakhesh Sasidharan rakhesh at cse.iitd.ac.in To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 6:48:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [148.81.80.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CBF37B401; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 06:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 0BF377D009; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:48:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 15:48:14 +0100 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: "G. Jason Middleton" Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make clean Message-ID: <20010219154814.A43805@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 17, 2001 at 03:20:33PM -0500, G. Jason Middleton wrote: > can someone tell me exactly what the command make clean does? > > Thanks in advance > > G. Jason Middleton When you type make clean, the Makiefile is being serched for the target clean. You can define target clean as follows: clean: -rm -f $(OBJECTS) $(OBJMOC) $(SRCMOC) -rm -f *~ core In this case all object, objectmoc, core files are deleted. Usulally, all targets (clean, all etc.) need dependencies, dependencies can represent other targets and so on. Have a look at any makefile and try to figure out. Hope that helps /gregory -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 8:48:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5A737B401; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f1JGmVL25456; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:48:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200102191648.f1JGmVL25456@ptavv.es.net> To: "G. Jason Middleton" Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make clean In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:20:33 EST." Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:48:31 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:20:33 -0500 > From: "G. Jason Middleton" > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG > > can someone tell me exactly what the command make clean does? Literally, it does whatever the person who wrote the Makefile wants it to do. 'clean' is simply a make target. Normally 'make clean' will delete any files created by a 'make all' or most any other 'make'. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 8:55:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net [129.250.36.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A2037B491; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 08:55:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [129.250.38.56] (helo=dfw-corpmmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14Utae-0001Xa-00; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:55:08 +0000 Received: from [204.1.38.26] (helo=yongdell) by dfw-corpmmp1.email.verio.net with smtp id 14Utae-0004us-00; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 16:55:08 +0000 From: "Yong Lim" To: "Kevin Oberman" , "G. Jason Middleton" Cc: , Subject: RE: make clean (off topic) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:55:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200102191648.f1JGmVL25456@ptavv.es.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org So what does make dirty do? Or make naughty do..."whatever the person who wrote the Makefile wants it to do." Off topic...sorry I couldn't help. Yong : -----Original Message----- : From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG : [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Kevin Oberman : Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:49 AM : To: G. Jason Middleton : Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG : Subject: Re: make clean : : : > Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 15:20:33 -0500 : > From: "G. Jason Middleton" : > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG : > : > can someone tell me exactly what the command make clean does? : : Literally, it does whatever the person who wrote the Makefile wants it : to do. 'clean' is simply a make target. : : Normally 'make clean' will delete any files created by a 'make all' or : most any other 'make'. : : R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer : Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) : Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) : E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 : : : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org : with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Feb 19 11:11:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE9C37B503; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA82467; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:24:17 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 06:24:14 +1100 From: Sue Blake To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Message-ID: <20010220062412.U19976@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <065701c092dc$a322c840$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org>; from Jonathan M. Bresler on Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 07:08:24PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 07:08:24PM -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > what does Sue Blake, Greg Lehey and the other old timers on the > freebsd-newbies list have to say about the name change. I wanted something more explicit, like newbies-chat, at the outset, so of course I would support a change now. > in part this seems to be a simple matter of people not reading the > mail list charter, which is sent to them when they first subscribe: Exactly. I would say to anyone who claims this list should be used for questions, that one of the purposes of this list is to keep your chatter out of the other lists until you learn that it is essential to abide by list charters and develop an attitude of willingness to cooperate in an established team. The other lists would treat you very rudely indeed if you tried this sort of snottyness there. Newbies has space to tolerate and forgive anyone who's willing to learn, so it's a good place to learn proper mailing list use without getting an egg-splattered face that lasts for life. I can't guarantee that changing the name will fix our problems, but it will give a firmer foundation on which to demand that the restrictions which have always existed be adhered to. Just as importantly, it would save some new members who don't read the info from losing face on the first day, a big turn-off for insecure people. When the list was created I warned that linux-newbies is for questions so people coming from linux might assume freebsd-newbies is the same. Many more people are coming over from linux now, and naturally bringing this name-based assumption with them. I do take your point, Jonathan, that if they're not going to have the decency to read what's in front of them and go along with the established rules, it's not worth turning the world upside down to change something that will probably make little difference. In your position I would probably have been reluctant to make a change. I would point out, though, that some of the worst offenders over the years have been experienced people who want to be adored for giving (bad) technical support advice to grateful underlings but don't want to do it properly in -questions where their own wrongs are likely to be corrected by their own peers. They not only don't read the charter, but when they are pointed to it they scream blue murder and wave the list name around in a most assertive manner, refusing to follow the charter and asking others to ignore it too. They're gurus, so they know all don't they? For some strange reason, I have had no success in getting certain well known old timers to accept that we must live by this list charter too, or getting rid of them when they mislead newbies for their own ego gratification. The list name is always wielded as a sharp excuse in these cases. Yes, even by old timers. Note that we have had some very helpful non-technical contributions from people like Nik (writing docs) and Grog (using -questions) who do understand the purpose of this list and abide by the charter. But they too seem powerless to weed out the occasional self-styled saviour. Setting aside an enclave for newbies to socially interact alone with their peers presents a great freedom when it is most needed. It also makes newbies vulnerable to misinformation from any intruder with a known name or an assertive tone. It can only work if the charter is upheld here as strongly as it is in the other lists. Unfortunately, when charter and name seem to contradict most will cling to the name. Two things that many newbies want but can't get here are 1. A comfortable place to ask questions 2. A place to try answering easy questions FreeBSD-Questions is and should be both of these, and if ever it doesn't serve that purpose then the whole community must pull together to fix it. Bitching within freebsd-questions itself never got us anywhere. I believe that only newbies can say what is bad for newbies and how to make it right. FreeBSD-Newbies provides the only safe place where such issues can be discussed newbie-to-newbie without too much interference until thoughts become clear and problems, like the one currently under discussion, are resolved. That's why I've tried not to be too involved. Although I started the list and I'm available for guidance, I prefer to leave space for newbies to work out their own needs. They seem to be saying they need a name change. It is not for me to judge their decision, but you did ask for my view. Jonathan, while we're here... I've had trouble getting my mail through lately (two IPs here, hub sees the wrong one) so I'll tack this request on the bottom: Could you please change the URL in the majordomo intro/info file from > > Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html <-- wrong to Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html I think the old URL used to be a symlink but now it's become 404. TIA -- Regards, -*Sue*- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 8:15:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (user-uinjtfm.biz.mindspring.com [165.121.245.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1E437B4EC; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:15:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f1K2vho21567; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:57:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:57:43 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Cc: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Message-ID: <20010219215742.D21460@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <065701c092dc$a322c840$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org>; from jmb@hub.freebsd.org on Sun, Feb 18, 2001 at 07:08:24PM -0800 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, 18 February 2001 at 19:08:24 -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > what does Sue Blake, Greg Lehey and the other old timers on the > freebsd-newbies list have to say about the name change. Sorry, what name change? > in part this seems to be a simple matter of people not reading the > mail list charter, which is sent to them when they first subscribe: > >> FREEBSD-NEWBIES >> >> Welcome to FreeBSD! >> This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. >> Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. >> >> Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> (NOT to the newbies list please) >> >> Full info and FAK http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ >> Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 8:19:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (user-uinjtfm.biz.mindspring.com [165.121.245.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178E337B491 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:19:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f1K2R3O21396; Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:27:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:27:03 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: Brian Astill Cc: newbies , dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au Subject: Re: Cant find -questions (or -newbies) Message-ID: <20010219212703.C21307@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au>; from bastill@sa.apana.org.au on Fri, Feb 16, 2001 at 04:49:50PM +1030 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 16 February 2001 at 16:49:50 +1030, Brian Astill wrote: > Doug, > I am not getting through to either newbies or questions. > As you are (a) a guru (b) involved with -newbies and -questions (c) an apana > person I thought you might be the person from whom to seek help. > > This lack of communication started after I wrote to postmaster asking for a > name-change to -newbiechat and asking for a public explanation if a change was > not possible. Coincidence, I'm sure. > > ------------------ > > The reason I am raising this problem in -newbies can be seen below. > Solutions anyone? > > The original message was received at Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:55:13 +1030 (CST) > from bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138] > > ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- Note the word 'transient' here. > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: >>>>> RCPT To: > <<< 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] > ... Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] This is saying that your reverse mapping did not work on this occasion: the FreeBSD mail systems, in this case hub.FreeBSD.org, could not find the name of the host with the IP address 150.101.94.101. It's not fatal. > Warning: message still undelivered after 2 days This suggests, however, that it's been going on for quite a while. I've seen a number of messages from you, all on the same subjects, so it looks as if the problems got fixed, possibly with the help of DougY. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 8:25:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C37D37B491 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:25:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id CAA24619; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:24:48 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdc24617; Wed Feb 21 02:24:34 2001 Message-ID: <00d901c09b59$b5427540$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "Greg Lehey" , "Brian Astill" Cc: "newbies" References: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> <20010219212703.C21307@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Subject: Re: Cant find -questions (or -newbies) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 02:25:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Actually I thought it turned out the problem was something wrongly configured in the Apana S.A. POP .... or am I confused as usual ?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Lehey" To: "Brian Astill" Cc: "newbies" ; Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: Cant find -questions (or -newbies) > On Friday, 16 February 2001 at 16:49:50 +1030, Brian Astill wrote: > > Doug, > > I am not getting through to either newbies or questions. > > As you are (a) a guru (b) involved with -newbies and -questions (c) an apana > > person I thought you might be the person from whom to seek help. > > > > This lack of communication started after I wrote to postmaster asking for a > > name-change to -newbiechat and asking for a public explanation if a change was > > not possible. Coincidence, I'm sure. > > > > ------------------ > > > > The reason I am raising this problem in -newbies can be seen below. > > Solutions anyone? > > > > The original message was received at Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:55:13 +1030 (CST) > > from bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138] > > > > ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- > > Note the word 'transient' here. > > > > > > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > > ... while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: > >>>>> RCPT To: > > <<< 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] > > ... Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] > > This is saying that your reverse mapping did not work on this > occasion: the FreeBSD mail systems, in this case hub.FreeBSD.org, > could not find the name of the host with the IP address > 150.101.94.101. It's not fatal. > > > Warning: message still undelivered after 2 days > > This suggests, however, that it's been going on for quite a while. > > I've seen a number of messages from you, all on the same subjects, so > it looks as if the problems got fixed, possibly with the help of > DougY. > > Greg > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 10:36:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF8437B401 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:36:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA44F8; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:41:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3A92B883.83028A81@acuson.com> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 10:33:39 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BSD Blood Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How's the term 'Port' used? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org BSD Blood wrote: > > From 'The Complete FreeBSD' and the 'FreeBSD Handbook' I notice that 'port' > is used in a slightly different manner. 'FreeBSD Handbook' uses it to refer > to a software package?. 'The Complete FreeBSD' used it to refer to additinal > files needed to adapt a package to build on FreeBSD. So, obviously "install > a port" can have 2 meanings. Is a package and port used in the same manner? > Can anyone please clarify. Perhaps the Handbook needs to be clarified. A port is that collection of files used to build software on FreeBSD. A package is a prebuilt binary created using the ports system. Sometimes people use the shortcut of referring to both as a "port". David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 16:20:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id BB09837B401; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:20:26 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: grog@lemis.com Cc: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20010219215742.D21460@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> (message from Greg Lehey on Mon, 19 Feb 2001 21:57:43 -0500) Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Message-Id: <20010221002026.BB09837B401@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:20:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > On Sunday, 18 February 2001 at 19:08:24 -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > > > > what does Sue Blake, Greg Lehey and the other old timers on the > > freebsd-newbies list have to say about the name change. > > Sorry, what name change? > the suggestion is to change from "freebsd-newbies" to "freebsd-newbieschat" or some name that indicates that newbies is not a place to ask technical questions. jmb > > in part this seems to be a simple matter of people not reading the > > mail list charter, which is sent to them when they first subscribe: > > > >> FREEBSD-NEWBIES > >> > >> Welcome to FreeBSD! > >> This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > >> Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. > >> > >> Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> (NOT to the newbies list please) > >> > >> Full info and FAK http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/ > >> Resource list http://www.freebsd.org/newbies.html > > -- > Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 17:12:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f197.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.197]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC8B37B401 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:12:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdblood@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:12:37 -0800 Received: from 203.121.16.70 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:12:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.121.16.70] From: "BSD Blood" To: mlduke@concentric.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How's the term 'Port' used? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 01:12:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 01:12:37.0636 (UTC) FILETIME=[61097C40:01C09BA3] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The source archieve used by a port (in the ports tree) is different from the source archieve used by a package, right? >From: ML Duke >To: BSD Blood >Subject: Re: How's the term 'Port' used? >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:23:58 -0700 (MST) > >A port contains the information to both fetch (ftp) and install the >package, and is executed by "make" and "make install" (as root) while >in a particular port directory. If you have a "package," on the other >hand, you achieve the same end with the "package_add" command >(or pkg_add, I forget). > >ML Duke > > > >From 'The Complete FreeBSD' and the 'FreeBSD Handbook' I notice that >'port' > > is used in a slightly different manner. 'FreeBSD Handbook' uses it to >refer > > to a software package?. 'The Complete FreeBSD' used it to refer to >additinal > > files needed to adapt a package to build on FreeBSD. So, obviously >"install > > a port" can have 2 meanings. Is a package and port used in the same >manner? > > Can anyone please clarify. > > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 19: 0:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (apana.internode.on.net [150.101.94.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3252F37B401 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:00:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Received: from PhD_1.testname.com.au (bra@dialup-7.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.136]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07389; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:30:11 +1030 (CST) From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: Greg Lehey Subject: Re: Cant find -questions (or -newbies) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:24:12 +1030 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: newbies , dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au References: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> <20010219212703.C21307@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20010219212703.C21307@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01022113264709.00803@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > > This is saying that your reverse mapping did not work on this > occasion: the FreeBSD mail systems, in this case hub.FreeBSD.org, > could not find the name of the host with the IP address > 150.101.94.101. It's not fatal. > > > Warning: message still undelivered after 2 days > > This suggests, however, that it's been going on for quite a while. > > I've seen a number of messages from you, all on the same subjects, so > it looks as if the problems got fixed, possibly with the help of > DougY. Yes - the whole lot seems to have cleared through all at once. Doug was helpful, but it seems it was an apanaSA/Internode problem which has been fixed by them. -- Regards, Brian ******************************************************** Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow Flinders University Institute of International Education Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 bastill@sa.apana.org.au ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 19: 9:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tierzero.apana.org.au (apana.internode.on.net [150.101.94.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3127537B4EC; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:09:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bastill@sa.apana.org.au) Received: from PhD_1.testname.com.au (bra@dialup-7.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.136]) by tierzero.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07458; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:16 +1030 (CST) From: Brian Astill Reply-To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au To: Greg Lehey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:28:29 +1030 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.29] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, "newbies" References: <065701c092dc$a322c840$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <20010219030824.136F637B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> <20010219215742.D21460@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> In-Reply-To: <20010219215742.D21460@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0102211335520A.00803@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 18 February 2001 at 19:08:24 -0800, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > >> Welcome to FreeBSD! > >> This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > >> Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. I think THIS is part of the problem - WHAT "experiences"? "Personal experiences" would be better, but not a complete description. > >> Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >> (NOT to the newbies list please) This is another problem. What is a "support question"? "Technical questions" might be better. However, problems with wording would be completely solved with a simple name change to -newbiechat or similar. I cannot understand why a name change presents such a problem. Could we at least be given an explanation? -- Regards, Brian ******************************************************** Dr Brian Astill Visiting Research Fellow Flinders University Institute of International Education Bus 8201 3480 FAX 8449 9199 bastill@sa.apana.org.au ******************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 19:31:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id C46F737B401; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:31:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: bastill@sa.apana.org.au Cc: grog@lemis.com, dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <0102211335520A.00803@PhD_1.testname.com.au> (message from Brian Astill on Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:28:29 +1030) Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Message-Id: <20010221033146.C46F737B401@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:31:46 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > >> Welcome to FreeBSD! > > >> This list is a gathering place for people new to FreeBSD. > > >> Please feel free to share your experiences with others on this list. > > I think THIS is part of the problem - WHAT "experiences"? > "Personal experiences" would be better, but not a complete description. personal experiences are good. do we want to limit it to the personal? how about people that use freebsd at work. they might want to talk about their efforts to teach people new to freebsd....what they did and how they did it. i dont know what words to use here. all those that i come up with excludee valid topics. > > > >> Support questions should be sent to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > >> (NOT to the newbies list please) > > This is another problem. What is a "support question"? > "Technical questions" might be better. "technical questions" sounds good...those should be sent to freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org. i'll add that in the info file. > > However, problems with wording would be completely solved with a simple name > change to -newbiechat or similar. > I cannot understand why a name change presents such a problem. Could we at > least be given an explanation? because at this point it seems to me that the problem is not the name of the mailing list. we can change that. the problem is people using the list for something other than its purpose. perhaps that purpose has changed over time and renaming the list is the best thing to do. i have not read newbies for quite a while. i am hoping that greg and sue, who i hope have been with the list for quite a while, will express their opinion on the matter. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 19:58:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail.xmission.com (mail.xmission.com [198.60.22.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F019F37B401; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:58:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rootman@xmission.com) Received: from [166.70.13.75] (helo=blackmirror.xmission.com) by mail.xmission.com with smtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14VQPz-0001Nr-00; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:58:20 -0700 From: Joe Warner To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" , bastill@sa.apana.org.au Subject: Re: Hello from russia! Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:38:45 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="" Cc: grog@lemis.com, dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010221033146.C46F737B401@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20010221033146.C46F737B401@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01022020581200.00415@blackmirror.xmission.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ================== snip ============================== > > > > However, problems with wording would be completely solved with a simple name > > change to -newbiechat or similar. > > I cannot understand why a name change presents such a problem. Could we at > > least be given an explanation? > > because at this point it seems to me that the problem is not > the name of the mailing list. we can change that. the problem is > people using the list for something other than its purpose. perhaps > that purpose has changed over time and renaming the list is the best > thing to do. i have not read newbies for quite a while. i am hoping > that greg and sue, who i hope have been with the list for quite a > while, will express their opinion on the matter. > > jmb > They have already expressed their opinion on the matter. Sue is for a name change. She's stated previously that a different name would have made things better from the beginning. Greg doesn't think changing the lists name would be of any benefit and that we should just accept things the way they are and deal with it. These aren't their exact words but this is how I understood their opinions regarding this discussion from responses they posted previously. Sue/Greg, if I somehow misundestood your previous responses, my apologies and could you please restate your positions on this. Regards Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Feb 20 23:33:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from ratatosk.sveg.se.sykes.com (proxy.sveg.se.sykes.com [195.67.11.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D946237B401 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 23:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jukka.simila@sveg.se.sykes.com) Received: by RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:33:53 +0100 Message-ID: <8F68F32EB034D311A4A700508B4417D704108A7C@RATATOSK.sveg.se.sykes.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jukka_Simil=E4?= To: 'BSD Blood' , mlduke@concentric.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: How's the term 'Port' used? Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:33:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org wrong, I guess. You can make a package from any program in ports tree by doing "make package". AFAIK this is how the packages are done in the first place. on the other hand, you cannot extract port skeleton (the directory that contains information about the program, and installation locations and such) from a package. > -----Original Message----- > From: BSD Blood [mailto:bsdblood@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 2:13 AM > To: mlduke@concentric.net; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: How's the term 'Port' used? > > > The source archieve used by a port (in the ports tree) is > different from the > source archieve used by a package, right? > > > >From: ML Duke > >To: BSD Blood > >Subject: Re: How's the term 'Port' used? > >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 19:23:58 -0700 (MST) > > > >A port contains the information to both fetch (ftp) and install the > >package, and is executed by "make" and "make install" (as root) while > >in a particular port directory. If you have a "package," on the other > >hand, you achieve the same end with the "package_add" command > >(or pkg_add, I forget). > > > >ML Duke > > > > > >From 'The Complete FreeBSD' and the 'FreeBSD Handbook' I > notice that > >'port' > > > is used in a slightly different manner. 'FreeBSD > Handbook' uses it to > >refer > > > to a software package?. 'The Complete FreeBSD' used it to > refer to > >additinal > > > files needed to adapt a package to build on FreeBSD. So, > obviously > >"install > > > a port" can have 2 meanings. Is a package and port used > in the same > >manner? > > > Can anyone please clarify. > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ___________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 21 4: 2:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de [131.220.18.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC8D37B491; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:02:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from moritz.alleswirdgelber (ascend-tk-p15.dialin.uni-bonn.de [131.220.244.15]) by f1node03.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA60152; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:02:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgelber (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00510; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:43:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:43:00 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@moritz.alleswirdgelber To: Brian Astill Cc: Greg Lehey , "Jonathan M. Bresler" , dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, hamellr@heorot.1nova.com, Joe.Warner@smed.com, postmaster@FreeBSD.ORG, newbies Subject: Re: Hello from russia! In-Reply-To: <0102211335520A.00803@PhD_1.testname.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I cannot understand why a name change presents such a problem. Could we at > least be given an explanation? Never change a winning team ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 21 4:46:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (oe61.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.20.196]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3803E37B401 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:46:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mlbsd@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:46:09 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [64.228.162.98] From: "ML BSD" To: Subject: auth 52fa9d44 subscribe freebsd-newbies mlbsd@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:50:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Feb 2001 12:46:09.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[435833B0:01C09C04] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org auth 52fa9d44 subscribe freebsd-newbies mlbsd@hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 21 7:31: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (user-uinjtfm.biz.mindspring.com [165.121.245.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A97D37B699 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f1L1Wqe22086; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:32:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:32:52 -0500 From: Greg Lehey To: Doug Young Cc: Brian Astill , newbies Subject: Re: Cant find -questions (or -newbies) Message-ID: <20010220203252.C22007@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> <20010219212703.C21307@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <00d901c09b59$b5427540$847e03cb@apana.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <00d901c09b59$b5427540$847e03cb@apana.org.au>; from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au on Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 02:25:08AM +1000 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Your mailer incorrectly wraps quoted text. On Wednesday, 21 February 2001 at 2:25:08 +1000, Doug Young wrote: > On Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:27 PM, "Greg Lehey" wrote: >> On Friday, 16 February 2001 at 16:49:50 +1030, Brian Astill wrote: >>> Doug, >>> I am not getting through to either newbies or questions. As you >>> are (a) a guru (b) involved with -newbies and -questions (c) an >>> apana person I thought you might be the person from whom to seek >>> help. >>> >>> This lack of communication started after I wrote to postmaster >>> asking for a name-change to -newbiechat and asking for a public >>> explanation if a change was not possible. Coincidence, I'm sure. >>> >>> ------------------ >>> >>> The reason I am raising this problem in -newbies can be seen below. >>> Solutions anyone? >>> >>> The original message was received at Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:55:13 +1030 (CST) from bra@dialup-9.pasa.apana.org.au [203.14.158.138] >>> >>> ----- The following addresses had transient non-fatal errors ----- >> >> Note the word 'transient' here. >> >>> >>> >>> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- >>> ... while talking to hub.freebsd.org.: >>>>>>> RCPT To: >>> <<< 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] >>> ... Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [150.101.94.101] >> >> This is saying that your reverse mapping did not work on this >> occasion: the FreeBSD mail systems, in this case hub.FreeBSD.org, >> could not find the name of the host with the IP address >> 150.101.94.101. It's not fatal. >> >>> Warning: message still undelivered after 2 days >> >> This suggests, however, that it's been going on for quite a while. >> >> I've seen a number of messages from you, all on the same subjects, so >> it looks as if the problems got fixed, possibly with the help of >> DougY. > > Actually I thought it turned out the problem was something wrongly > configured in the Apana S.A. POP .... or am I confused as usual ?? Well, yes, that's what I was trying to say. I assumed that you were responsible for the fix. Greg -- When replying to this message, please take care not to mutilate the original text. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/email.html Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 21 8: 4:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail04.edsamail.com.ph (mail04.edsamail.com.ph [210.16.71.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E468A37B4EC for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from belfred@edsamail.com.ph) Received: (qmail 26226 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2001 16:08:49 -0000 Received: from mail03.edsamail.com.ph (HELO edsamail.com.ph) (210.16.71.8) by mail04.edsamail.com.ph with SMTP; 21 Feb 2001 16:08:49 -0000 X-Mailer: Edsamail 1.31 (Build 1024) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 00:12:08 +0800 From: "Belfred I Antonio" To: freeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: mount Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <20010221160427.E468A37B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Anyone who can help me with my problem. I can't mount a CD or a floppy that is formated with windows or dos what is the correct format or command to mount those media to my system. thanks in advance. Brian Philippines! __________________________________ www.edsamail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Feb 21 8:45:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from fep09-svc.tin.it (mta09-acc.tin.it [212.216.176.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0535137B401 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 08:45:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alba.grey@tin.it) Received: from [212.171.161.27] by fep09-svc.tin.it (InterMail vM.4.01.03.13 201-229-121-113) with SMTP id <20010221164522.IICN27359.fep09-svc.tin.it@[212.171.161.27]>; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:45:22 +0100 From: Cristiano To: freeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org, Luigi Subject: Re: mount Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:49:21 -1000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain References: <20010221160427.E468A37B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01022117495501.00320@> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org recompile kernel with options options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options "CD9660_ROOT" #CD-ROM usable as root. "CD9660" req'ed then mkdir /cdrom mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom ( I have ATAPI CdRom ) On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Belfred I Antonio wrote: > Anyone who can help me with my problem. I can't mount a CD or a floppy that is formated with windows or dos what is the correct format or command to mount those media to my system. thanks in advance. > > Brian > Philippines! > > __________________________________ > www.edsamail.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- -------------------------------- E-Mail: Cristiano This message was sent by Kmail This Computer is powered by FreeBSD O.S. (Berkeley University of California) ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 22 2:57: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [148.81.80.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B8937B4EC for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 02:57:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gregory@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id AA2727D04E; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:56:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:56:46 +0100 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: Belfred I Antonio Cc: freeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: mount Message-ID: <20010222115646.A48738@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <20010221160427.E468A37B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <20010221160427.E468A37B4EC@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:12:08AM +0800, Belfred I Antonio wrote: > Anyone who can help me with my problem. I can't mount a CD or a floppy that is formated with windows or dos what is the correct format or command to mount those media to my system. thanks in advance. > > Brian > Philippines! > > __________________________________ mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy mount -t cd9660 /dev/dev_name /cdrom But always try man mount. ;) gregory -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 22 11: 7:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (pimout1-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.77]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1245937B503 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 11:07:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ZEN_007@prodigy.net) Received: from prodigy.net (ppp-208-188-42-208.dialup.eulstx.swbell.net [208.188.42.208]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1MJ7l6195108 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:07:47 -0500 Message-ID: <3A956381.7C688560@prodigy.net> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:07:45 -0600 From: James Sprouls X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Any live freeBSD chats on the 'net? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And not yahoo - lol To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 22 18:23:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mw.egroups.com (mw.egroups.com [208.50.144.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 991A937B503 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 18:23:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from darrell_frazier@vanguard.com) X-eGroups-Return: darrell_frazier@vanguard.com Received: from [10.1.10.69] by mw.egroups.com with NNFMP; 23 Feb 2001 02:23:22 -0000 Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 02:23:19 -0000 From: darrell_frazier@vanguard.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: iplanet Message-ID: <974hin+cgt0@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 192.175.173.33 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there. Wondering if anyone has attempted the sun/netscape iplanet web server installation. Since I doubt bianry compatability with any of the supported platforms (except perhaps linux), I need to know if the source is available and if so which compiler needed, any quirks encountered or modifications required for a recompile. Thanx. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Feb 22 21:56:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx3out.umbc.edu (mx3out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D55D37B491 for ; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 21:56:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmiddl1@gl.umbc.edu) Received: from irix1.gl.umbc.edu (gmiddl1@irix1.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.8]) by mx3out.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA08734; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:56:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 00:56:47 -0500 From: "G. Jason Middleton" To: Cc: Subject: ping: sendto: No Buffer Sapce available (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the error i get when i try to ping a host on my network. My bsdbox drops right off the face of the earth when i am telneted into it. I cannot make it happen it just happens at random times....it also happens when i use WEBMIN which i am sure some of you are familiar with....it is one of the ports. Anywa all i have to do to bring it back up on the network is ifconfig down up and it works again. Can i downsize the MTU and solve this problem? Someone mentioned NMBclusters at one time...whatever shall i do? Regards, G. Jason Middleton _______________________________________________________________________________ Announcement: The revolution will not be televised. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 23 10:58:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1out.umbc.edu (mx1out.umbc.edu [130.85.253.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D419A37B684; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 10:58:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gmiddl1@gl.umbc.edu) Received: from linux1.gl.umbc.edu (IDENT:gmiddl1@linux1.gl.umbc.edu [130.85.60.38]) by mx1out.umbc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19404; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:58:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:58:51 -0500 (EST) From: "G. Jason Middleton" To: Cc: Subject: dual homed host Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org i am setting up a firewall and i have been battling with getting the damn things to work together.. i am using sysinstall to chagne the ip addys and the dns entries and the mask etc etc. I set de0 up for the live ip (internet ip from my ISP) and i set up dc0 with the dead ip (192.168.0.1 or 192.168.0.2) not sure which one i should use. SO when i am setting up dc0 what should i set the dns entry to? And what should i set the gateway to? Can they be on the same subnet? Info would be appreciated and yes i am already reading the handbook and lso Greg Lehey's book as well as Oreilly's tcp/ip for netork administrators. Have a good weekend to all. Regards, G. Jason Middleton _______________________________________________________________________________ Announcement: The revolution will not be televised. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 23 11:42:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88E737B401 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from agogol@mediaone.net) Received: from jody (h00a0cc75e86c.ne.mediaone.net [66.31.202.100]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f1NJgWS17140 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:42:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000801c09dd1$14b69690$64ca1f42@jody> From: "Mom" To: Subject: X - Windows system, help! Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 14:44:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09DA7.2AFFCB80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09DA7.2AFFCB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How do i acces the x-windows system. i can only get to the command = prompt. Please Help! ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09DA7.2AFFCB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How do i acces the x-windows system. i = can only get=20 to the command prompt.
 
Please Help!
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C09DA7.2AFFCB80-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 23 12:33:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6201337B65D for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA4325; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:38:17 -0800 Message-ID: <3A96C91D.5719663E@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:33:33 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mom Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: X - Windows system, help! References: <000801c09dd1$14b69690$64ca1f42@jody> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Mom wrote: > > How do i acces the x-windows system. i can only get to the command > prompt. I hate to sound like a broken record, but -newbies is not the mailing list for questions like this. Q: Why can't you even answer a simple question like this? A: Because we have no idea what video card or monitor you are using. Besides which, an improperly configured X can literally destroy your monitor. Q: Well, where do I go to find help? A: The FreeBSD believes in helping those who first help themselves. We hear that even the Big Guy does it that way. The FreeBSD Handbook, cheefully included with your OS, or available online, has an excellent chapter on configuring and using Xfree86. After first reading that section, then you can ask any technical questions to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. Q: Okay fine, I'll buy that. But what CAN you tell me? A: First, you will need to properly configure XFree86 to work with your hardware. If you went through the complete FreeBSD installation process, there was a step that included this. If this process was successful, then you should be set for the next stuff. If not, use the sysinstall program while logged in as root to get it configured. Second, if you are running too high of a security level in FreeBSD-4.2, X will not run. This tiny bit of information is not included in the documentation, so I do not feel guilty by conveying it to you in the -newbies forum. Third, you need to start X. There are many ways to do this, but I have heard that some people simply use the command "startx". Finally, if the window manager that you chose (during installation) leaves you underwhelmed, I can recommend some others. Blackbox is small, fast, and elegant. Windowmaker is bigger, but still fast and elegant and with more polish. KDE and GNOME are desktops that add a unified look-and-feel, control panels, utilities, etc, to your window manager. KDE comes with its own window manager, but GNOME doesn't, so use the Sawmill window manager with it. There are other great window managers available, but as a newbie, I would save exploring these for later. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 23 13:16:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mail10.speakeasy.net (mail10.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD64637B4EC for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from czr@dunces.org) Received: (qmail 18725 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2001 21:16:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dunceee) ([64.81.23.94]) (envelope-sender ) by mail10.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Feb 2001 21:16:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c09dde$68f410e0$5e175140@adobecorp> From: "Burke Martin" To: References: <000801c09dd1$14b69690$64ca1f42@jody> <3A96C91D.5719663E@acuson.com> Subject: Re: X - Windows system, help! Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:20:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The funny thing about this is that the email from people asking the wrong thing isnt nearly as annoying as hearing this shit about this being -newbies. Maybe you should make this a digest so I dont have to look at this crap anymore.... Burke ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Johnson" To: "Mom" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: Re: X - Windows system, help! > > Mom wrote: > > > > How do i acces the x-windows system. i can only get to the command > > prompt. > > I hate to sound like a broken record, but -newbies is not the mailing > list for questions like this. > > Q: Why can't you even answer a simple question like this? > > A: Because we have no idea what video card or monitor you are using. > Besides which, an improperly configured X can literally destroy your > monitor. > > Q: Well, where do I go to find help? > > A: The FreeBSD believes in helping those who first help themselves. We > hear that even the Big Guy does it that way. The FreeBSD Handbook, > cheefully included with your OS, or available online, has an excellent > chapter on configuring and using Xfree86. After first reading that > section, then you can ask any technical questions to > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org. > > Q: Okay fine, I'll buy that. But what CAN you tell me? > > A: First, you will need to properly configure XFree86 to work with your > hardware. If you went through the complete FreeBSD installation process, > there was a step that included this. If this process was successful, > then you should be set for the next stuff. If not, use the sysinstall > program while logged in as root to get it configured. > > Second, if you are running too high of a security level in FreeBSD-4.2, > X will not run. This tiny bit of information is not included in the > documentation, so I do not feel guilty by conveying it to you in the > -newbies forum. > > Third, you need to start X. There are many ways to do this, but I have > heard that some people simply use the command "startx". > > Finally, if the window manager that you chose (during installation) > leaves you underwhelmed, I can recommend some others. Blackbox is small, > fast, and elegant. Windowmaker is bigger, but still fast and elegant and > with more polish. KDE and GNOME are desktops that add a unified > look-and-feel, control panels, utilities, etc, to your window manager. > KDE comes with its own window manager, but GNOME doesn't, so use the > Sawmill window manager with it. There are other great window managers > available, but as a newbie, I would save exploring these for later. > > David > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 23 13:25:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from odin.acuson.com (odin.acuson.com [157.226.230.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD1D37B503 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:25:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from djohnson@acuson.com) Received: from acuson.com ([157.226.47.12]) by odin.acuson.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.54) with ESMTP id AAA5DA5; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:30:07 -0800 Message-ID: <3A96D546.ABE8F64E@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:25:26 -0800 From: David Johnson Organization: Acuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Burke Martin Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: X - Windows system, help! References: <000801c09dd1$14b69690$64ca1f42@jody> <3A96C91D.5719663E@acuson.com> <000501c09dde$68f410e0$5e175140@adobecorp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Burke Martin wrote: > > The funny thing about this is that the email from people asking the wrong > thing isnt nearly as annoying as hearing this shit about this > being -newbies. Maybe you should make this a digest so I dont have to look > at this crap anymore.... So I take it that this is your vote for a list name change? I'm all for it! David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Feb 23 23:45:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from bom9.vsnl.net.in (smtp.vsnl.com [202.54.1.72]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AADB37B401 for ; Fri, 23 Feb 2001 23:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from root@varelinux.org) Received: from varelinux.org (unknown [203.199.85.48]) by bom9.vsnl.net.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5F52592D for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:06:13 +0500 (GMT+0500) Message-ID: <3A97685C.1030109@varelinux.org> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 13:23:00 +0530 From: Prakash Shetty Organization: VareLinux User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-21mdk i686; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: newbies Subject: [Off-Topic-News] FreeBSD.org.in Launched References: <01021519442201.11833@PhD_1.testname.com.au> <20010219212703.C21307@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <00d901c09b59$b5427540$847e03cb@apana.org.au> <20010220203252.C22007@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Freinds, We are proud to announce the launch of FreeBSD.org.in ... a web site and portal for FreeBSD users in India and around the world. The mailing list shall be online in few days. We Request you to kindly visit it and also help us by submitting news,reviews,articles,links etc. Regards Prakash Shetty To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 24 11:27:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from exchange.naturalwonders.com (mail.naturalwonders.com [208.36.31.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F4E37B401 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:27:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from GAno@NaturalWonders.COM) Received: by EXCHANGE with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:22:14 -0800 Message-ID: <1077EA82B488D31193FB0008C724A284AC721F@EXCHANGE> From: Godfrey Anonical To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Subject: Screen Resolution in KDE (FreeBSD) Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 11:22:07 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I just recenly installed freebsd and am using KDE. The problem is the output screen on my monitor is only displaying a portion of the entire desktop. I have to scroll down just to see the panel on the bottom of the screen (default). Did I do something wrong during the Xfree86 configuration? Please advise. Thank you To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 24 19:20:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E2737B4EC for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 19:20:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Isomer1@aol.com) Received: from Isomer1@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v29.5.) id n.b5.78f869a (3971) for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:19:54 -0500 (EST) From: Isomer1@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2001 22:19:53 EST Subject: cable modem gateway To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_b5.78f869a.27c9d3d9_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --part1_b5.78f869a.27c9d3d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I may go mad. I installed 4.2 this morning via ftp, the install went fine. I'm attempting to set up this freebsd machine as a gateway between my cable modem and internal network. I have tried the FreeBSD 'Handbook' but the section on networking is useless. I have managed to piece together some idea of what needs to be done from freebsddiary.org and newsgroup tidbits. I have NOT rebuilt the kernel, I'm assuming since the install asks "Enable Gateway?" that the default 4.2 installation must include the IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT options already enabled. The machines can reach one another, the cable modem lights up when the internal machines attempt to talk out, but the outside worlds response does not get back to the internal machines. in /etc/rc.conf I added: firewall_enable = yes in /etc/rc.firewall I added: /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via de0 /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any also done: natd -interface de0 any assistance would be appreciated -Ralph N. Isomer1@aol.com --part1_b5.78f869a.27c9d3d9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think I may go mad.
I installed 4.2 this morning via ftp, the install went fine.
I'm attempting to set up this freebsd machine as a gateway
between my cable modem and internal network.

I have tried the FreeBSD 'Handbook' but the section on
networking is useless.  I have managed to piece together
some idea of what needs to be done from freebsddiary.org
and newsgroup tidbits.

I have NOT rebuilt the kernel, I'm assuming since the install
asks "Enable Gateway?" that the default 4.2 installation must
include the IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT options already enabled.
The machines can reach one another, the cable modem lights
up when the internal machines attempt to talk out, but the outside
worlds response does not get back to the internal machines.

in /etc/rc.conf I added:
      firewall_enable = yes
in /etc/rc.firewall I added:
      /sbin/ipfw -f flush
      /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via de0
      /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any
also done:
      natd -interface de0

any assistance would be appreciated
-Ralph N.
Isomer1@aol.com --part1_b5.78f869a.27c9d3d9_boundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 24 20:57:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4226137B401 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:57:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vcardona@home.com) Received: from marx.marvic.chum ([24.17.229.11]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20010225045738.YWQG29411.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@marx.marvic.chum>; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 20:57:38 -0800 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.marvic.chum (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id EAA01317; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:58:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:58:56 -0600 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: Isomer1@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cable modem gateway Message-ID: <20010225045856.A1302@home.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Isomer1@aol.com on Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:19:53PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 10:19:53PM -0500, Isomer1@aol.com wrote: > I have NOT rebuilt the kernel, I'm assuming since the install > asks "Enable Gateway?" that the default 4.2 installation must > include the IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT options already enabled. > The machines can reach one another, the cable modem lights > up when the internal machines attempt to talk out, but the outside > worlds response does not get back to the internal machines. > > in /etc/rc.conf I added: > firewall_enable = yes > in /etc/rc.firewall I added: > /sbin/ipfw -f flush > /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via de0 > /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any > also done: > natd -interface de0 You need to recompile the kernel, and add support for ipfirewall and ipdivert. They are not in the default kernel. Victor Cardona To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Feb 24 21:37:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts6.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E7D37B401 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2001 21:37:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from j.telford@sympatico.ca) Received: from johnny2k ([64.229.51.172]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010225053729.IRWE25007.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@johnny2k>; Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:37:29 -0500 Message-ID: <001901c09eed$2f22a010$ac33e540@johnny2k> From: "John Telford" To: , References: Subject: Re: cable modem gateway Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 00:38:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You are already warm if you are at freebsddiary.org This http://www.freebsddiary.org/athome.html got my connection talking to the outside world in a flash. You should probably get the freebsd box communicating with the public side before moving onto the gateway/firewall part. You DO have to add the lines and rebuild the kernel to get the firewall to work. There's lots of good stuff on it out there, I found it was a matter of reading different documents until I found one that hit at my skill level and took it from there. Don't go nuts or give up, FreeBSD works great, there is a price to pay in research though over the 'pointy click, skip readme and hope it loads windows stuff'. I have 5 cable connected divisions fronted with FreeBSD boxes. They only go down when there is a problem with the cable company. These are my settings, you may not require all of them: The kernel. At the end of my GENERIC (well I cp it to GENFIRE) I copy the following out of LINT: # IPFIREWALL enables support for IP firewall construction, in # conjunction with the `ipfw' program. IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE sends # logged packets to the system logger. IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT # limits the number of times a matching entry can be logged. # # WARNING: IPFIREWALL defaults to a policy of "deny ip from any to any" # and if you do not add other rules during startup to allow access, # YOU WILL LOCK YOURSELF OUT. It is suggested that you set firewall_type=open # in /etc/rc.conf when first enabling this feature, then refining the # firewall rules in /etc/rc.firewall after you've tested that the new kernel # feature works properly. # # IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT causes the default rule (at boot) to # allow everything. Use with care, if a cracker can crash your # firewall machine, they can get to your protected machines. However, # if you are using it as an as-needed filter for specific problems as # they arise, then this may be for you. Changing the default to 'allow' # means that you won't get stuck if the kernel and /sbin/ipfw binary get # out of sync. # # IPDIVERT enables the divert IP sockets, used by ``ipfw divert'' # # IPSTEALTH enables code to support stealth forwarding (i.e., forwarding # packets without touching the ttl). This can be useful to hide firewalls # from traceroute and similar tools. # # TCPDEBUG is undocumented. # options MROUTING # Multicast routing options IPFIREWALL #firewall options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE #print information about # dropped packets options IPFIREWALL_FORWARD #enable transparent proxy support options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE_LIMIT=100 #limit verbosity options IPFIREWALL_DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT # USE TO GET IT GOING THEN # TAKE IT OUT, or DON'T USE AND #SET TYPE TO 'OPEN' IN /etc/rc.conf SEE BELOW. options IPDIVERT #divert sockets options IPSTEALTH #support for stealth forwarding options TCPDEBUG # The following options add sysctl variables for controlling how certain # TCP packets are handled. # # TCP_DROP_SYNFIN adds support for ignoring TCP packets with SYN+FIN. This # prevents nmap et al. from identifying the TCP/IP stack, but breaks support # for RFC1644 extensions and is not recommended for web servers. # # TCP_RESTRICT_RST adds support for blocking the emission of TCP RST packets. # This is useful on systems which are exposed to SYN floods (e.g. IRC servers) # or any system which one does not want to be easily portscannable. # options TCP_DROP_SYNFIN #drop TCP packets with SYN+FIN options TCP_RESTRICT_RST #restrict emission of TCP RST # ICMP_BANDLIM enables icmp error response bandwidth limiting. You # typically want this option as it will help protect the machine from # D.O.S. packet attacks. # options ICMP_BANDLIM # DUMMYNET enables the "dummynet" bandwidth limiter. You need # IPFIREWALL as well. See the dummynet(4) manpage for more info. # BRIDGE enables bridging between ethernet cards -- see bridge(4). # You can use IPFIREWALL and dummynet together with bridging. options DUMMYNET ########## END -An rc.conf to get going then tweak it from there: hostname="crxxxxxxx-x" # Set this cable account name firewall_enable="YES" # Set to YES to enable firewall functionality firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall" # Which script to run to set up the firewall firewall_type="OPEN" # Firewall type (see /etc/rc.firewall) # once it's working then start creating your own rule set. firewall_quiet="NO" # Set to YES to suppress rule display firewall_flags="" # Flags passed to ipfw when type is a file natd_enable="YES" # Enable natd (if firewall_enable == YES). natd_interface="fxp0" # Public interface or IPaddress to use. natd_flags="" # Additional flags for natd. network_interfaces="auto" # List of network interfaces (or "auto"). ifconfig_lo0="inet 127.0.0.1" # default loopback device configuration. ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" ifconfig_fxp1="inet 192.168.1.200 netmask 255.255.255.0" # internal network # named_enable="YES" # you have to do some named work to use this # other option would be set to NO and to point your internal machines to use the cable's # dns address which should magically appear in /etc/resolv.conf once you get # connected. ### Network routing options: ### defaultrouter="24.xx.xx.xx" # Set to Cable's default gateway (or NO). sendmail_enable="NO" # Run the sendmail daemon (or NO). Good luck, John. ----- Original Message ----- From: Isomer1@aol.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: cable modem gateway I think I may go mad. I installed 4.2 this morning via ftp, the install went fine. I'm attempting to set up this freebsd machine as a gateway between my cable modem and internal network. I have tried the FreeBSD 'Handbook' but the section on networking is useless. I have managed to piece together some idea of what needs to be done from freebsddiary.org and newsgroup tidbits. I have NOT rebuilt the kernel, I'm assuming since the install asks "Enable Gateway?" that the default 4.2 installation must include the IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT options already enabled. The machines can reach one another, the cable modem lights up when the internal machines attempt to talk out, but the outside worlds response does not get back to the internal machines. in /etc/rc.conf I added: firewall_enable = yes in /etc/rc.firewall I added: /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via de0 /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any also done: natd -interface de0 any assistance would be appreciated -Ralph N. 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