From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 1 12:29:30 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 12:29:28 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421CF37B404 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:29:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (Ipitythefoolthattrustsident@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA77825 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:29:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f01KTQG27140 for freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:29:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:29:26 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010101122926.A27055@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee on Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 10:51:44AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: obrien@NUXI.com Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jun 08, 2000 at 10:51:44AM +0200, Narvi wrote: > We have the chices of: > 1) the AIX/PowerOpen ABI > 2) the SYSV4 PPC ABI > 3) the EABI > 4) grow our own Looking at this today, I'm choosing #3 - the EABI, unless someone knows that it will be very hard to run using this EABI on the Mac G4. Reading the EABI spec, I believe this to be the best choice since the real target of FreeBSD/PowerPC isn't to complete with Darwin on G4's, but for embedded applications. The Mac G4 just makes a damn nice development platform for your embedded development work. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Jan 1 17:21:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 17:21:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from igw8.watson.ibm.com (igw8.watson.ibm.com [198.81.209.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EBC37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 17:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from sp1n189at0.watson.ibm.com (sp1n189at0.watson.ibm.com [9.2.104.62]) by igw8.watson.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/05-14-1999) with ESMTP id UAA13376 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:21:28 -0500 Received: from mal-ach.watson.ibm.com (mal-ach.watson.ibm.com [9.2.223.70]) by sp1n189at0.watson.ibm.com (8.9.3/Feb-20-98) with ESMTP id UAA24976 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:21:27 -0500 Received: from watson.ibm.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mal-ach.watson.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3/01-10-2000) with ESMTP id UAA22022 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:21:27 -0500 Message-Id: <200101020121.UAA22022@mal-ach.watson.ibm.com> To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi In-Reply-To: Message from "David O'Brien" of "Mon, 01 Jan 2001 12:29:26 PST." <20010101122926.A27055@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:21:27 -0500 From: David Edelsohn Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "David O'Brien" writes: David> Looking at this today, I'm choosing #3 - the EABI, unless someone knows David> that it will be very hard to run using this EABI on the Mac G4. Reading David> the EABI spec, I believe this to be the best choice since the real target David> of FreeBSD/PowerPC isn't to complete with Darwin on G4's, but for embedded David> applications. The Mac G4 just makes a damn nice development platform for David> your embedded development work. FreeBSD/PowerPC should use System V Release 4 PowerPC ABI. PowerPC Linux uses it. BSDI/powerpc uses it. There is no reason to be different. Using PowerPC eABI is subtly different than SVR4/ELF PowerPC and unecessarily constrainted. FreeBSD/PowerPC is a great development platofmr for embedded systems. That is exactly the point: it is the host, not the target. One should be able to run eABI applications created by a cross-compiler, but using eABI will just subtly hurt the FreeBSD/PowerPC port because of the stricter alignment requirements making the host OS run slower on non-embedded PowerPC processors than necessary. PowerPC-based Macs, IBM POP boards, and RS/6000 systems do not use embedded PowerPC processors. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 1:20:43 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 01:20:41 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D6D37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:20:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (Ipitythefoolthattrustsident@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA80464 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:20:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f029Kd631736 for freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:20:39 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200101020121.UAA22022@mal-ach.watson.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200101020121.UAA22022@mal-ach.watson.ibm.com>; from dje@watson.ibm.com on Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:21:27PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: obrien@NUXI.com Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:21:27PM -0500, David Edelsohn wrote: > FreeBSD/PowerPC is a great development platofmr for embedded > systems. That is exactly the point: it is the host, not the target. Actually I'm looking forward to the target. > One should be able to run eABI applications created by a > cross-compiler, Why use a cross-compiler when you can just use the native one? I'm not sure I'm going to put the ability to do either in the base system. > but using eABI will just subtly hurt the FreeBSD/PowerPC port because > of the stricter alignment requirements making the host OS run slower on > non-embedded PowerPC processors than necessary. This is true, but I'm not that concerned about the performance hit. > PowerPC-based Macs, IBM POP boards, and RS/6000 systems do not use > embedded PowerPC processors. The purpose of the PowerPC effort [at least mine] is not to complete with Darwin and run on Mac's, but to provide a platform for PowerPC embedded development. Those that push JKH and others hard for a PowerPC port want it for use in the embedded market. The G4 would just be the reference and development box -- but not the main use and target. I am not sure anyone will take the PowerPC port and polish it for desktop or server use. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 6:11:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 06:11:35 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from pobox.rwwa.com (pobox.rwwa.com [216.254.75.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971EF37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:11:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwwa.com (spooky.rwwa.com [192.124.97.13]) by pobox.rwwa.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA70296; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:29:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from witr@rwwa.com) Message-Id: <200101021429.JAA70296@pobox.rwwa.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: David Edelsohn Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Jan 2001 20:21:27 EST." <200101020121.UAA22022@mal-ach.watson.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 09:11:33 -0500 From: Robert Withrow Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG dje@watson.ibm.com said: :- That is exactly the point: it is the host, not the target. I completely disagree. Many of us want to use FreeBSD as the *target*! And my folks will even be cross-developing using Solaris as the host! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA, witr@rwwa.COM To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 8:49:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 08:49:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate3.austin.ibm.com (mg03.austin.ibm.com [192.35.232.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4910037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 08:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.ibm.com (netmail1.austin.ibm.com [9.53.250.96]) by mailgate3.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA54492 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:48:09 -0600 Received: from GATECH (gatech.austin.ibm.com [9.53.230.101]) by austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA78410 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:49:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:47:25 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: Dwayne Grant McConnell To: Subject: Re: the abi In-Reply-To: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: Dwayne McConnell/Austin/IBM@d04nm103.raleigh.ibm.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:21:27PM -0500, David Edelsohn wrote: > The purpose of the PowerPC effort [at least mine] is not to complete with > Darwin and run on Mac's, but to provide a platform for PowerPC embedded > development. Those that push JKH and others hard for a PowerPC port want > it for use in the embedded market. The G4 would just be the reference > and development box -- but not the main use and target. > > I am not sure anyone will take the PowerPC port and polish it for desktop > or server use. So the only FreeBSD PowerPC port in progress right now is for embedded? Or are there multiple efforts ongoing? If a desktop/server port is in progress or occurs in the future would it also use the same ABI or a different one? -- Dwayne Grant McConnell work: dwayne@austin.ibm.com PowerPC Linux Team home: dgm69@austin.rr.com IBM Linux Technology Center notes: dwayne@us.ibm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 9:17:47 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 09:17:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from isris.pair.com (isris.pair.com [209.68.2.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C05937B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:17:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 34353 invoked by uid 3130); 2 Jan 2001 17:17:42 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:17:42 -0500 From: Garrett Rooney To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> Mail-Followup-To: Garrett Rooney , freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dwayne@austin.ibm.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600 Sender: rooneg@isris.pair.com Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600, Dwayne Grant McConnell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:21:27PM -0500, David Edelsohn wrote: > > The purpose of the PowerPC effort [at least mine] is not to complete with > > Darwin and run on Mac's, but to provide a platform for PowerPC embedded > > development. Those that push JKH and others hard for a PowerPC port want > > it for use in the embedded market. The G4 would just be the reference > > and development box -- but not the main use and target. > > > > I am not sure anyone will take the PowerPC port and polish it for desktop > > or server use. > > So the only FreeBSD PowerPC port in progress right now is for embedded? > Or are there multiple efforts ongoing? If a desktop/server port is in > progress or occurs in the future would it also use the same ABI or a > different one? I believe that the current port in progress is intended for use on embedded systems, but that the reference platform is the powermac G4. So well it will likely be used for embedded work, it will most likely be possible to make use of it in a desktop/server capacity. I imagine that more drivers would have to be written to make it really useful, but once the initial port is completed that should be considerably easier. Of course I'm not one of the people doing the actual work, so all of this is just what I've gleaned from lurking on the mailing lists. -garrett -- garrett rooney my pid is inigo montoya. rooneg@electricjellyfish.net you kill -9 my parent process. http://electricjellyfish.net/ prepare to vi. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 10:37:44 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 10:37:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urpower.com (neutron.urpower.com [216.248.44.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527FC37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from rory@localhost) by mail.urpower.com (8.10.1/8.8.7) id f02IWUd32461 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:32:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:32:29 -0500 From: Rory Arms To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010102133229.B32158@urpower.com> References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dwayne@austin.ibm.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600 Organization: URPOWER INC. Sender: rory@mail.urpower.com Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600, Dwayne Grant McConnell wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:21:27PM -0500, David Edelsohn wrote: > > The purpose of the PowerPC effort [at least mine] is not to complete with > > Darwin and run on Mac's, but to provide a platform for PowerPC embedded > > development. Those that push JKH and others hard for a PowerPC port want > > it for use in the embedded market. The G4 would just be the reference > > and development box -- but not the main use and target. > > > > I am not sure anyone will take the PowerPC port and polish it for desktop > > or server use. > > So the only FreeBSD PowerPC port in progress right now is for embedded? > Or are there multiple efforts ongoing? If a desktop/server port is in > progress or occurs in the future would it also use the same ABI or a > different one? Well, I'm a user who would be interested in seeing FreeBSD/ppc targeted for desktop/server use. What ABI does NetBSD/ofppc use? How about OpenBSD/powerpc? I imagine they both use the same one. BTW, does anyone out there use or know someone who is using a PPC system based on IBM's POP platform. I know that siliconfruit was supposedly making a system based on the platform, but I see nothing new from them other than schematics. It seems like POP has lost some of its momentum, which is surprising. It seems like it would be an appealing choice, at least to the thin server market. -rory To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 10:46:41 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 10:46:39 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3514137B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (Ipitythefoolthattrustsident@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA82918; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:46:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f02IkaQ67305; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:46:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:46:36 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Dwayne Grant McConnell Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010102104636.A67285@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from dwayne@austin.ibm.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: obrien@NUXI.com Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600, Dwayne Grant McConnell wrote: > So the only FreeBSD PowerPC port in progress right now is for embedded? That is *my personal* thrust. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 10:52:15 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 10:52:13 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from relay.nuxi.com (nuxi.cs.ucdavis.edu [169.237.7.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2790137B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (Ipitythefoolthattrustsident@trang.nuxi.com [209.152.133.57]) by relay.nuxi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA82948; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f02IqAx67340; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:52:10 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Rory Arms Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010102105210.B67285@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102133229.B32158@urpower.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010102133229.B32158@urpower.com>; from rory@urpower.com on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 01:32:29PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: obrien@NUXI.com Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 01:32:29PM -0500, Rory Arms wrote: > Well, I'm a user who would be interested in seeing FreeBSD/ppc targeted for > desktop/server use. What ABI does NetBSD/ofppc use? How about OpenBSD/powerpc? > I imagine they both use the same one. Interested? Or will put in effort? Sorry, but I'm a little pissy on this... idle opinions don't help. At this point I tend to discount opinions by people that are doing something. Thus I don't care what NetBSD or OpenBSD do. My slant in which to use is dictatated by the toolchain. NetBSD does not contribute back their changes, nor can I use them (or look at them), else I taint FreeBSD's GNU toolchain with bits that I have to maintain forever as they cannot be made part of the official distributions. Of course if you know about a strong technical issue, that I'm interested in hearing. [please see disclaimer at the bottom] -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) GNU is Not Unix / Linux Is Not UniX Disclaimer: Not speaking for FreeBSD, just expressing my own opinion. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 12:27:21 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 12:27:19 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate3.austin.ibm.com (mg03.austin.ibm.com [192.35.232.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5283737B402 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:27:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from austin.ibm.com (netmail1.austin.ibm.com [9.53.250.96]) by mailgate3.austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA52318 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:26:01 -0600 Received: from GATECH (gatech.austin.ibm.com [9.53.230.101]) by austin.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA70528 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:27:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:25:18 -0600 (Central Standard Time) From: Dwayne Grant McConnell To: Subject: Re: the abi In-Reply-To: <20010102104636.A67285@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: Dwayne McConnell/Austin/IBM@d04nm103.raleigh.ibm.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600, Dwayne Grant McConnell wrote: > > So the only FreeBSD PowerPC port in progress right now is for embedded? > > That is *my personal* thrust. Okay. Thanks for the information. -- Dwayne Grant McConnell work: dwayne@austin.ibm.com PowerPC Linux Team home: dgm69@austin.rr.com IBM Linux Technology Center notes: dwayne@us.ibm.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Tue Jan 2 16:25:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 16:25:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.jeamland.net (rafe.jeamland.net [203.18.243.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028BC37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:25:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C654270606; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:25:08 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:25:08 +1100 From: Benno Rice To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: the abi Message-ID: <20010103112508.D27798@rafe.jeamland.net> References: <20010102012039.A31690@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010102121741.A33602@electricjellyfish.net>; from rooneg@electricjellyfish.net on Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:17:42PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Apologies for sending this to you twice Garrett, I hit 'r' instead of 'g' =/] On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 12:17:42PM -0500, Garrett Rooney wrote: > On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 10:47:25AM -0600, Dwayne Grant McConnell wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 01, 2001 at 08:21:27PM -0500, David Edelsohn wrote: > > > The purpose of the PowerPC effort [at least mine] is not to complete with > > > Darwin and run on Mac's, but to provide a platform for PowerPC embedded > > > development. Those that push JKH and others hard for a PowerPC port want > > > it for use in the embedded market. The G4 would just be the reference > > > and development box -- but not the main use and target. > > > > > > I am not sure anyone will take the PowerPC port and polish it for desktop > > > or server use. > > > > So the only FreeBSD PowerPC port in progress right now is for embedded? > > Or are there multiple efforts ongoing? If a desktop/server port is in > > progress or occurs in the future would it also use the same ABI or a > > different one? > > I believe that the current port in progress is intended for use on > embedded systems, but that the reference platform is the powermac G4. > So well it will likely be used for embedded work, it will most likely > be possible to make use of it in a desktop/server capacity. I imagine > that more drivers would have to be written to make it really useful, but > once the initial port is completed that should be considerably easier. > > Of course I'm not one of the people doing the actual work, so all of > this is just what I've gleaned from lurking on the mailing lists. I'm currently working on getting the kernel building. It currently compiles but doesn't link due to the fact that I haven't written all the necessary machine dependant functions yet. I'm developing it on an iMac (G3) but I'm hoping to get a hold of some embedded reference units (any people with contacts in Motorola or IBM, I'd love to talk to you =)) and I'd also like to have it running on the Apple desktop machines, and yes that means I'd like to target the dual-G4 boxes as well. Basically I'd like the FreeBSD/powerpc port to support pretty much anything with a powerpc in it, within reason. -- Benno Rice benno@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jan 5 8:18:25 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 08:18:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from plexus-g.actel.com (plexus-g.actel.com [204.33.72.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C4B37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from proto.amer.actel.com (proto [10.20.81.21]) by plexus-g.actel.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3/Actel_hub) with ESMTP id IAA13653; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from actel.com (hummer.amer.actel.com [10.20.81.189]) by proto.amer.actel.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02981; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:17:44 -0500 (EST) Sender: drew@actel.com Message-ID: <3A55F3A4.1589A9A9@actel.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:17:40 -0500 From: Drew Reynolds Organization: Actel Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-ppc awreynolds@mac.com end -- Andrew Reynolds internet: drew@actel.com Actel Corporation phone: (973) 770-4700 ext. 3124 200 Valley Road, Suite 300 fax: (973) 770-0800 Mt. Arlington, NJ 07856, USA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Jan 5 8:18:49 2001 From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 08:18:48 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from plexus-g.actel.com (plexus-g.actel.com [204.33.72.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E416737B698 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:18:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from proto.amer.actel.com (proto [10.20.81.21]) by plexus-g.actel.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3/Actel_hub) with ESMTP id IAA13743; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 08:18:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from actel.com (hummer.amer.actel.com [10.20.81.189]) by proto.amer.actel.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02995; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Sender: drew@actel.com Message-ID: <3A55F3D5.5E7AFBFC@actel.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 11:18:29 -0500 From: Drew Reynolds Organization: Actel Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: info Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG info end -- Andrew Reynolds internet: drew@actel.com Actel Corporation phone: (973) 770-4700 ext. 3124 200 Valley Road, Suite 300 fax: (973) 770-0800 Mt. 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