From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Aug 26 2:39:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ctonet.it (mail.ctonet.it [212.110.160.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA6E37B407; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 02:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olgeni@FreeBSD.org) Received: from olgeni.olgeni (ppp-49.dial3.ctonet.it [212.110.178.49]) by mail.ctonet.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF641226F; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:39:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olgeni.olgeni (8.11.5/8.11.5) with ESMTP id f7Q9dZY81564; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:39:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olgeni@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:39:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Jimmy Olgeni X-X-Sender: To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: Subject: XFree86-4 & ISO Message-ID: <20010824214923.Q56582-100000@olgeni.olgeni> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I see that we have XFree-4 on the first ISO, both in single-package and multi-package form: this adds much bloat to the already crowded CD. * The multiple package set is never needed as a dependency: we current do not ship packages compiled for XFree4 because XFree4 is not installed by default (and let's leave it this way: see xf86cfg) * The monolithic package currently has some security fixes that the multiple set lacks. * If you really want to install XFree4, chances are that you want the full working version, at the cost of having maybe some more fonts that you won't need. I think that the multiple package set may go away from the CD, freeing some space to add some applications that people usually expect to find (like the recently added rsync). In my opinion, the set of applications on the first CD needs to be more "formalized". We currently have a very small set of "granted" applications, and the rest is more of a lottery. For example, the RC1 ISO only has very very few gnome packages. Is the current packages script actually used in ISO releases? :) I made a new print-cdrom-packages.sh script which should take into account some of the common libraries, applications, development tools and build dependencies. Unfortunately, KDE and Gnome take so much space :( Comments are welcome. I'm currently working on a package set for CD#3 (with larger stuff like TeX) (script at http://people.freebsd.org/~olgeni/print-cdrom-packages.sh, about 415MB worth of packages) -- jimmy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Aug 26 10:10:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B34637B41D; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:10:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f7QHAcw17115; Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:10:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: olgeni@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86-4 & ISO In-Reply-To: <20010824214923.Q56582-100000@olgeni.olgeni> References: <20010824214923.Q56582-100000@olgeni.olgeni> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010826101038C.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 10:10:38 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 56 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not sure what the deal with XFree86 4.0 is, but I agree that there should be only one copy, whatever form we distribute it in, since XFree86 3.3.6 is still the "official version" for us. As to the lottery for packages on CD #1, that is indeed what print-cdrom-packages is for, though as you've also correctly surmised, the resulting package set also has to _fit_ or the follow-up commit will only be one which removes things again. Good luck. :) - Jordan From: Jimmy Olgeni Subject: XFree86-4 & ISO Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 11:39:35 +0200 (CEST) > > Hi! > > I see that we have XFree-4 on the first ISO, both in single-package > and multi-package form: this adds much bloat to the already crowded > CD. > > * The multiple package set is never needed as a dependency: we current > do not ship packages compiled for XFree4 because XFree4 is not > installed by default (and let's leave it this way: see xf86cfg) > > * The monolithic package currently has some security fixes that the > multiple set lacks. > > * If you really want to install XFree4, chances are that you want the > full working version, at the cost of having maybe some more fonts that > you won't need. > > I think that the multiple package set may go away from the CD, freeing some > space to add some applications that people usually expect to find (like the > recently added rsync). > > In my opinion, the set of applications on the first CD needs to be more > "formalized". We currently have a very small set of "granted" applications, > and the rest is more of a lottery. For example, the RC1 ISO only has very > very few gnome packages. Is the current packages script actually used in > ISO releases? :) > > I made a new print-cdrom-packages.sh script which should take into account > some of the common libraries, applications, development tools and build > dependencies. Unfortunately, KDE and Gnome take so much space :( > > Comments are welcome. I'm currently working on a package set for CD#3 > (with larger stuff like TeX) > > (script at http://people.freebsd.org/~olgeni/print-cdrom-packages.sh, about > 415MB worth of packages) > > -- > jimmy > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Aug 27 7:56:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from storage-1.netscalibur.it (mail1.netscalibur.it [194.244.215.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CFC37B401; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:56:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olgeni@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.localdomain.net (194.244.229.102) by storage-1.netscalibur.it (5.5.040) id 3B69D5C7000307D5; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:56:11 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.localdomain.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7REtAt24153; Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:55:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olgeni@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:55:10 +0200 (CEST) From: Jimmy Olgeni X-X-Sender: To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Subject: Re: XFree86-4 & ISO In-Reply-To: <20010826101038C.jkh@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20010827164334.X24103-100000@server.localdomain.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > As to the lottery for packages on CD #1, that is indeed what > print-cdrom-packages is for, though as you've also correctly surmised, > the resulting package set also has to _fit_ or the follow-up commit > will only be one which removes things again. Good luck. :) I actually managed to get the package set under 400MB (!), that is the current size of the -rc1 packages, and there's still some free space. I also put some larger applications on the 3rd CD, leaving the 2nd CD empty for the usual stuff (repository, demos, etc). If you don't mind I'd like to commit the latest version (same location), it looks good for a -release. If it doesn't work you could back it out and poke fun of me :) -- jimmy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 12:53:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF9137B401; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id B8C184B65D; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:59:26 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.4-RC2 is now available Message-ID: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NMuMz9nt05w80d4+" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ 4.4rc2-install.iso (The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there soon). We have working GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2 packages on this release as well as a number of bug fixes since RC1. Please help us work out the final kinks so that we can ship a high-quality 4.4 release! Thanks, - Murray --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7i/gdtNcQog5FH30RAsE+AJ44lI7a9k59TaHjQNQrWEFIZWys7ACcCLt3 fTHb9+m5TBL2eKW60pcobCo= =jxy6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 12:59:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A884237B407; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f7SJxel62792; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:59:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828155252.052c4bc0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:53:38 -0400 To: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does this include the commits to the fs and ata drivers from this morning ? It would be nice to test these a bit in an RC no ? ---Mike At 12:59 PM 8/28/01 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > 4.4rc2-install.iso > >(The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there >soon). > > We have working GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2 packages on this release as >well as a number of bug fixes since RC1. Please help us work out the >final kinks so that we can ship a high-quality 4.4 release! > > Thanks, > > - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 13: 8: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C071E37B403; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:07:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SK7cr27546; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:07:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200108282007.f7SK7cr27546@spoon.beta.com> To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Aug 2001 15:53:38 EDT." <5.1.0.14.0.20010828155252.052c4bc0@marble.sentex.ca> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:07:38 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have not worked with RC2 yet. However, as of a snapshot a couple of days ago, there was still a large amount of 'non-intuitive behavior' in sysinstall, and by 'non-intuitive', I mean its behavior works directly against the on-screen documentation in places, and where its not documented, just acts bad. Before anyone says 'Quote examples', I'll point you to the freebsd-qa mailing list, where I've given exact locations and behaviors that didn't make sense (repeatedly). I expect RC2 will still have some of these behaviors, as the snapshot mentioned above still had them. I will probably therefore push for at least an RC3 before we go to -RELEASE, or at least as many RCs as to get to where an RC could be 'shipped'. Hopefully, if you fixes didn't get in there, we could have a follow on RC in a few days that would definately have it. Why I'm on the topic, who is the 'official' person doing Release Engineering and/or working on sysinstall (I'm used to Jordan doing both)? -Brian > > Does this include the commits to the fs and ata drivers from this morning ? > It would be nice to test these a bit in an RC no ? > > ---Mike > > At 12:59 PM 8/28/01 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ > >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > 4.4rc2-install.iso > > > >(The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there > >soon). > > > > We have working GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2 packages on this release as > >well as a number of bug fixes since RC1. Please help us work out the > >final kinks so that we can ship a high-quality 4.4 release! > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Murray > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 13:16:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9937337B408; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:16:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f7SKGmv03126; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:16:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: murray@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-Reply-To: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> References: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010828131648U.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:16:48 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 26 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks, Murray! I just want to echo the sentiments below - please, TEST the heck out of this release! We can't address problems in 4.4 before its release if people don't report the bugs they find. Thanks! - Jordan From: Murray Stokely Subject: 4.4-RC2 is now available Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:59:26 -0700 > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > 4.4rc2-install.iso > > (The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there > soon). > > We have working GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2 packages on this release as > well as a number of bug fixes since RC1. Please help us work out the > final kinks so that we can ship a high-quality 4.4 release! > > Thanks, > > - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 13:33:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C222737B405; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f7SKTxv03174; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@freebsd.org) To: mcgovern@beta.com Cc: mike@sentex.net, murray@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-Reply-To: <200108282007.f7SK7cr27546@spoon.beta.com> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828155252.052c4bc0@marble.sentex.ca> <200108282007.f7SK7cr27546@spoon.beta.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010828132959Y.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:29:59 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 20 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: Brian McGovern Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:07:38 -0400 > Before anyone says 'Quote examples', I'll point you to the freebsd-qa mailing > list, where I've given exact locations and behaviors that didn't make sense > (repeatedly). I believe that all known sysinstall bogons should be fixed this week and there will, indeed, be another RC rolled to cover those. Probably fairly soon, making the lifetime of RC2 a bit short. > Why I'm on the topic, who is the 'official' person doing Release Engineering > and/or working on sysinstall (I'm used to Jordan doing both)? Both Murray and I are doing the RE work, with Eric doing some of the brea^H^H^H^Hfixes for sysinstall. Any one of us will jump in on any known problems before RC3 ships since, as you note, time is short. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 13:35:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (mail.urx.com [63.170.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87D3237B40C; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0906C00274; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:28 -0700 Message-ID: <3B8C008E.6E0D24C1@urx.com> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:35:26 -0700 From: Kent Stewart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Tancsa Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available References: <5.1.0.14.0.20010828155252.052c4bc0@marble.sentex.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Tancsa wrote: > > Does this include the commits to the fs and ata drivers from this morning ? > It would be nice to test these a bit in an RC no ? That was also one of my concerns. I checked the time for the src files and they were created at 4:26 am and the ata- patches were comitted much later. Kent > > ---Mike > > At 12:59 PM 8/28/01 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: > >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ > >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > > 4.4rc2-install.iso > > > >(The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there > >soon). > > > > We have working GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2 packages on this release as > >well as a number of bug fixes since RC1. Please help us work out the > >final kinks so that we can ship a high-quality 4.4 release! > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Murray > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA It is hard to believe you are soaring with Eagles (las águilas) when you accept SPAM like a mouse (el ratón). mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 13:54:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569B737B405; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7SKsPr27683; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:54:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200108282054.f7SKsPr27683@spoon.beta.com> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: mcgovern@beta.com, mike@sentex.net, murray@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, mcgovern@spoon.beta.com Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 28 Aug 2001 13:29:59 PDT." <20010828132959Y.jkh@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:54:25 -0400 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Why I'm on the topic, who is the 'official' person doing Release Engineeri ng > > and/or working on sysinstall (I'm used to Jordan doing both)? > > Both Murray and I are doing the RE work, with Eric doing some of > the brea^H^H^H^Hfixes for sysinstall. Any one of us will jump in on > any known problems before RC3 ships since, as you note, time is short. Thanks, Jordan. Its nice to know who to talk to when there are issues :) Would it be possible to get a proposed schedule of RCs with a tentative release date sent to freebsd-qa? It would help poor souls like myself who only have enough bandwidth to test RCs, and need the approximations to schedule life accordingly (no, honey... Theres an RC due out tonight, and I really need to work on it tomorrow night, rather than sit with you whilest you watch Notting Hill for the Nth time.... ;) ). -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 20:54:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-57-209.knology.net [24.214.57.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D57B37B405; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 20:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f7T3sgw72756; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:54:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200108290354.f7T3sgw72756@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: David Kelly Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-reply-to: Message from Murray Stokely of "Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:59:26 PDT." <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 22:54:42 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Murray Stokely writes: > > --NMuMz9nt05w80d4+ > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > 4.4rc2-install.iso > > (The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there > soon). Is still not there 8 hours later: ftp> dir 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for 'file list'. total 2593390 -r--r--r-- 1 1006 1006 663183360 Jul 27 2000 3.5.1-install.iso -r--r--r-- 1 1006 1006 668108800 Nov 22 2000 4.2-install.iso -r--r--r-- 1 1006 1006 674414592 Apr 21 23:46 4.3-install.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 649920512 Aug 16 10:59 4.4rc1-install.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 1006 1006 60 Aug 16 11:01 4.4rc1-install.md5 -r--r--r-- 1 1006 1006 173 May 2 03:54 CHECKSUM.MD5 -r--r--r-- 1 1006 1006 1052 Jan 19 2001 README.TXT 226 Transfer complete. ftp> bye 221 Goodbye! % date Tue Aug 28 22:51:21 CDT 2001 % -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 21:23:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 716E337B403; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 21:23:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f7T4NB232575; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:23:11 +0200 (SAT) (envelope-from jhay) From: John Hay Message-Id: <200108290423.f7T4NB232575@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-Reply-To: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> from Murray Stokely at "Aug 28, 2001 12:59:26 pm" To: murray@FreeBSD.ORG (Murray Stokely) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:23:11 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I see that the X in the XF86336 directory is the same as what shipped in RC1. That, at least according to the file dates, are from the beginning of 2000. Is that on purpose? Couldn't we ship at least the X from the 4.3 release? John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ > ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > 4.4rc2-install.iso > > (The ISO and package set are still mirroring but should be there > soon). > > We have working GNOME 1.4 and KDE 2.2 packages on this release as > well as a number of bug fixes since RC1. Please help us work out the > final kinks so that we can ship a high-quality 4.4 release! > > Thanks, > > - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 23:19:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A5BD37B405 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 9D6F74B65D; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:25:34 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: John Hay Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available Message-ID: <20010828232534.D22318@windriver.com> References: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> <200108290423.f7T4NB232575@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108290423.f7T4NB232575@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za>; from jhay@icomtek.csir.co.za on Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:23:11AM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:23:11AM +0200, John Hay wrote: > I see that the X in the XF86336 directory is the same as what shipped in RC1. > That, at least according to the file dates, are from the beginning of 2000. > Is that on purpose? Couldn't we ship at least the X from the 4.3 release? The next snapshot and final release will contain a version of X built in a clean 4.4 environment. For the first two snapshots I just used a symlink to an XF86336 directory already on the FTP site. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Aug 28 23:33:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D6537B403; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@stokely.org) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 773134B65D; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 23:39:19 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: David Kelly Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available Message-ID: <20010828233919.E22318@windriver.com> References: <200108290354.f7T3sgw72756@grumpy.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200108290354.f7T3sgw72756@grumpy.dyndns.org>; from dkelly@hiwaay.net on Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:54:42PM -0500 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Aug 28, 2001 at 10:54:42PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > Is still not there 8 hours later: Argh.. The ISO has been sitting on ftp-master since this morning and the FTP-release has been there since last night. There are multiple entries from ftp.freebsd.org in the rsync log but for some reason the ISO isn't being transfered. I've emailed the ftp.FreeBSD.org admins so hopefully we can get this resolved soon. In the meantime I'm copying the release over to releng4.freebsd.org In 28 minutes you should be able to get the ISO from : ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES Thanks, - Murray --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7jI4WtNcQog5FH30RApLlAJwL8ebqMx+Qc+DF20p+ZA4jMRGdIQCgmQWW UlxR5AA6GHHI1TYd4B5cAAM= =HI0W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Aug 29 6:19:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0A837B405; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (pyroxene.sentex.ca [199.212.134.18]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f7TDJTj61282; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:19:29 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010829091014.05963aa0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:13:22 -0400 To: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available ( Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 12:59 PM 8/28/01 -0700, Murray Stokely wrote: >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.4-RC2/ >ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > 4.4rc2-install.iso There does not seem to be the md5 there. Can you post what it should be ? cfd964cd85401e42b1dc4e59efcd00da is what I got on the download. ftp> dir 227 Entering Passive Mode (209,180,6,227,4,39) 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for 'file list'. total 629505 -rw-r--r-- 1 2124 5 644612096 Aug 29 07:08 4.4rc2-install.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 root 5 0 Aug 29 08:36 CHECKSUM.MD5 -rw-r--r-- 1 root 5 652 Aug 16 10:56 README.TXT ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Aug 29 6:30:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ED3937B401; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 06:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f7TDUVv15630; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:30:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7TDUV832332; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:30:31 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: ury.york.ac.uk: gavin owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:30:31 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Murray Stokely Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-Reply-To: <20010828233919.E22318@windriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 28 Aug 2001, Murray Stokely wrote: > Argh.. The ISO has been sitting on ftp-master since this morning > and the FTP-release has been there since last night. There are > multiple entries from ftp.freebsd.org in the rsync log but for some > reason the ISO isn't being transfered. I've emailed the > ftp.FreeBSD.org admins so hopefully we can get this resolved soon. In > the meantime I'm copying the release over to releng4.freebsd.org > > In 28 minutes you should be able to get the ISO from : > ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES I've now managed to get a copy of this and it is mirrored in the UK (via http only I'm afraid - i'm firewalled) at http://ury.york.ac.uk/~ftp/FreeBSD/4.4rc2-install.iso It will be accessible from there until the ISO image becomes available from some of the UK ftp servers. This server is located on JANET, so should be fast to donwnload to other UK universities. md5 of this is cfd964cd85401e42b1dc4e59efcd00da, though please note this has not been confirmed as correct by 'those in charge'... Gavin -- "Experience is directly proportional to the value of equipment destroyed." -- Carolyn Scheppner - - Gavin Atkinson - Head Of Computing - University Radio York - - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Aug 29 13:57:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6CEF237B406 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 13:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 43370 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2001 20:57:22 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 29 Aug 2001 20:57:22 -0000 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 23:00:32 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.53bis) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <156271052552.20010829230032@buz.ch> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: murray@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: 4.4-RC2 is now available In-Reply-To: <20010828131648U.jkh@freebsd.org> References: <20010828125926.J21804@windriver.com> <20010828131648U.jkh@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Jordan, Tuesday, August 28, 2001, 10:16:48 PM, you wrote: > Thanks, Murray! > I just want to echo the sentiments below - please, TEST the heck > out of this release! We can't address problems in 4.4 before its > release if people don't report the bugs they find. Thanks! I haven't got the time to do an install from FTP just now, but are the broken 1,44mb floppies that were unable to boot completely from 4.3 fixed now? I for myself needed to use the 4.2 floppies to get 4.3 on my machines... Best regards, Gabriel R -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBO41J5MZa2WpymlDxAQH5VAf/QzWEDd3BePmHMJ8demEssB6D6LQqE1qC CqW7o+eccLPVv3Brvvf7b0aEY/njQ1VPDY6e5hRiu8Op1Y2km57RAaRqI3tJHgxJ FPvIhfqssT467yO706rFAVrYI8NvM/KIDDSLxeK1eQugpnTiF8gk/0evsli+/jt4 Ei2wXwP+CilZOhBcJghlUy5OZAFjWXLakpslOFgDSrvP4iVRbyFxbyAOH33fmdKM cAgDDR2zjr5aVEndthQzprnN1/3g+L/TgHAnnmPnUovJXFiBD1vcKlsXKk7w9aFj dlfrMYcHDLYn+t/BzbemYUk6jOHhjXGQ9xQV/fnBbwD3lak0KYeX7A== =v7TZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Aug 29 14:28:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wrs.com (unknown-1-11.windriver.com [147.11.1.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F8AB37B406 for ; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:28:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@[147.11.46.201]) by mail.wrs.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA10355; Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010828232534.D22318@windriver.com> Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:28:29 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: 4.4-RC2 is now available Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, John Hay Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 29-Aug-01 Murray Stokely wrote: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2001 at 06:23:11AM +0200, John Hay wrote: >> I see that the X in the XF86336 directory is the same as what shipped in >> RC1. >> That, at least according to the file dates, are from the beginning of 2000. >> Is that on purpose? Couldn't we ship at least the X from the 4.3 release? > > The next snapshot and final release will contain a version of X > built in a clean 4.4 environment. For the first two snapshots I just > used a symlink to an XF86336 directory already on the FTP site. I'm currently testing the updating of the X11 build scripts (I've got rid of the manual plists finally) and am currenlt running a clean test. Once that is done, I'll check in the changes and update the box to build a completely clean-room X build. -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 1 6:14:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EB737B406; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 06:14:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/20010730/$Revision: 1.25 $) with ESMTP id f81DEYXl018430; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 08:14:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19/Submit) id f81DEXcK018420; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:14:33 GMT Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 08:14:32 -0500 From: Larry Rosenman To: John Baldwin Cc: Eric Masson , qa@FreeBSD.org, marcel@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010901081432.A18399@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <86ofuugmah.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok, this is an oldie but moldie. Is *ANYTHING* going to be done about this ever? It appears nothing was done at all during the 4.4 cycle. LER * John Baldwin [010322 12:06]: > > On 22-Mar-01 Eric Masson wrote: > >>>>>> "John" == John Baldwin writes: > > > > Hello > > > > John> It looks like there may be a bug in buildworld. It seems that > > John> static binaries are being linked against /usr/lib/libc.a rather > > John> than /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/lib/libc/libc.a. > > > > Has this issue been adressed ? > > Fixing this requires more work and changes than can be done this close to > release. The fix is to just Don't Do That(tm). > > > TIA > > > > Eric Masson > > -- > > John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ > PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc > "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 1 11:49:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C0C37B406; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f81In4U35893; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.5) id f81In4e11605; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:49:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 11:49:03 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Larry Rosenman Cc: John Baldwin , Eric Masson , qa@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <86ofuugmah.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> <20010901081432.A18399@lerami.lerctr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20010901081432.A18399@lerami.lerctr.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 08:14:32AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: > Ok, this is an oldie but moldie. > > Is *ANYTHING* going to be done about this ever? It appears nothing > was done at all during the 4.4 cycle. If I have some time (yeah, right :-) I'll take a look at it. The quickest fix would be to define CPUTYPE as empty when building cross- and build-tools. This should override any definitions that are present in /etc/make.conf. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 1 13:22:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F355B37B407 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 6354 invoked from network); 1 Sep 2001 20:22:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Sep 2001 20:22:07 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:22:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John Baldwin To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: cputype=486 Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, Eric Masson , Larry Rosenman Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01-Sep-01 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 08:14:32AM -0500, Larry Rosenman wrote: >> Ok, this is an oldie but moldie. >> >> Is *ANYTHING* going to be done about this ever? It appears nothing >> was done at all during the 4.4 cycle. > > If I have some time (yeah, right :-) I'll take a look at it. The > quickest fix would be to define CPUTYPE as empty when building > cross- and build-tools. This should override any definitions that > are present in /etc/make.conf. That doesn't help. The problem is that the cross-tools built during buildworld are linked against the hosts' libc.a, and then run on the target machine in installworld. Thus, in this case you end up running a 686 libc.a in the cross tool on a 486 and it blows up. > -- > Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Sep 1 16:11:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D51CE37B405; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:10:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f81NAtU36576; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.11.6/8.11.5) id f81NAsj13067; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:10:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 16:10:54 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: John Baldwin Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org, Eric Masson , Larry Rosenman Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010901161054.B13047@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20010901114903.D11062@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.21i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 01:22:12PM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > >> > >> Is *ANYTHING* going to be done about this ever? It appears nothing > >> was done at all during the 4.4 cycle. > > > > If I have some time (yeah, right :-) I'll take a look at it. The > > quickest fix would be to define CPUTYPE as empty when building > > cross- and build-tools. This should override any definitions that > > are present in /etc/make.conf. > > That doesn't help. The problem is that the cross-tools built during buildworld > are linked against the hosts' libc.a, and then run on the target machine in > installworld. Thus, in this case you end up running a 686 libc.a in the cross > tool on a 486 and it blows up. > Ah yes. In that case it only works if you link shared, but then you have different problems. I guess this rules out CPUTYPE as a generic tunable. If you want the highest possible performance, you give up on portibility. You can't have it both... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message