From owner-freebsd-small Sun Sep 16 19:51:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AC737B408 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:33:32 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8GNXAW26518 for small@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:33:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:33:10 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A guy I know bought a Compaq Ipaq IA1 for a song and wants to try FreeBSD on it (Linux has problems with the ethernet card). Basically it has a 16 MB flash sandisk (i.e. virtual IDE hard disk), 16MB of mem, but no floppy. He can however yank the flash card, take it to a friends, and load it up via dd on a laptop. What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? Thanks, Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com P.S. FWIW, here's the full hardware list: AMD K6-2/266 Cyberblade i7 VIA chipset 16mb Ram non upgradeable 16mb Flash Drive Sandisk 4 usb ports Audio Out Compact Flash Connector 10" Dual Scan 800x600 LCD screen (http://www.linux-hacker.net/ipaq/) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Sep 18 6:56:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (ns.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E533637B40F for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 06:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phantom.cris.net (phantom.cris.net [212.110.130.74]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA11088; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:55:47 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from ml@localhost) by phantom.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f8IDvxE87426; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:57:59 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ml) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:57:59 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Randall Hopper Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net> References: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com>; from aa8vb@nc.rr.com on Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 07:33:10PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, About one year ago I made an installation image for 4Mb IDE flash disk. It was almost clean picoBSD distribution with some hacks to loader and additional utilities (like ssh and pccardd) added. It works as a watch for year at about 10 PC based routers in different places of city and mountains here :) According to hardware it's mostly 486dx100 and Pentium 100, with 16Mb RAM, 4Mb Flash and WaveLan card. On Sun, Sep 16, 2001 at 07:33:10PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote: > A guy I know bought a Compaq Ipaq IA1 for a song and wants to try FreeBSD > on it (Linux has problems with the ethernet card). > > Basically it has a 16 MB flash sandisk (i.e. virtual IDE hard disk), 16MB > of mem, but no floppy. He can however yank the flash card, take it to a > friends, and load it up via dd on a laptop. > > What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? > Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load > everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? Use PicoBSD. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Sep 18 13:23:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DADFF37B414; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:23:36 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8IKNAb58151; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:23:10 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:23:10 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com> References: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net>; from phantom@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:57:59PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alexey Zelkin: |> What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? |> Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load |> everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? | |Use PicoBSD. AFAICT, the problem with using PicoBSD is that it is based on 3.x which doesn't support the Kawasaki USB ethernet card in the IPaq. So I think I need to look at 4.x. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Sep 18 13:40: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6817C37B412 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 13:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:39:55 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8IKdOm58356; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:39:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:39:24 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: John Kozubik Cc: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010918163924.B58036@nc.rr.com> References: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from john@kozubik.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 11:41:20AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Kozubik: |> What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? |> Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load |> everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? | |http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/solid-state/index.html | |this will show you step by step how to boot off of a fixit disk and run |each command to prepare and load an image onto a flash device. Thanks. Merging its disk prep tips with some I found in the archives, I cooked an empty disk image (with boot blocks) for his sandisk using the procedure listed below. After dd'ing it to his flash, he says the IPaq boots and gives the expected FreeBSD boot prompt with the "No /boot/loader" and "No /boot/loader" messages. Cool! Now I need to find out how much of the FreeBSD system I can netboot. That is, have virtually nothing on the sandisk and boot the kernel and an MFS root off the network. Ideally then /usr and other FSs could be NFS-mounted, removing the need to whittle down FreeBSD to a bare minimum so it'll fit in the 16MB flash. Is this possible? If anyone on the list done it, I'd sure appreciate any pointers you could offer! If not, tips on how to whittle down FreeBSD would also be helpful. I haven't located the "installsmallworld" target in the 4.x source tree yet. Is it mythical? Randall ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ dd if=/dev/zero of=mfsroot bs=1k count=16000 vnconfig -e -s labels vn0 mfsroot disklabel -r -w vn0 auto disklabel -e /dev/vn0c # <- dup the 'c' partition to an 'a', and save disklabel -B vn0 newfs /dev/vn0a #mount /dev/vn0a /mnt # SHou #umount /mnt vnconfig -u vn0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Sep 18 16:24:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from fe100.worldonline.dk (fe100.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.211]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C16BE37B406 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9776 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2001 23:24:46 -0000 Received: from 213.237.101.114.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk (HELO there) (213.237.101.114) by fe100.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 18 Sep 2001 23:24:46 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Simon L.Nielsen To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 01:24:41 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net> <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010918232447.C16BE37B406@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 18 September 2001 22:23, Randall Hopper wrote: > AFAICT, the problem with using PicoBSD is that it is based on 3.x which > doesn't support the Kawasaki USB ethernet card in the IPaq. So I think I > need to look at 4.x. It is based on the version you build it on. It builds fine from 4.x sources - at least 4.3, hasn't gotten around to testing with 4.4 yet but it should work fine. The rc startup system (the shell scripts) is still based on 3.x (but there are patches which "fixes" that), but since the kernel can be 4.x i'm rather sure you can make a PicoBSD with support for the driver you want. - -- /Simon -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7p9e58kocFXgPTRwRAim9AJsEHU1xm8Mrrkm2Cet8GllVKbv/ZwCaAzSN J8Alusq4ivxHD0xlqVqVNNI= =xXUX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Sep 18 16:35:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (fe5.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046FC37B409 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 16:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:35:03 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8INYc061534 for small@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:34:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 19:16:31 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: "Simon L. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010918191631.A61041@nc.rr.com> References: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net> <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com> <200109182305.f8IN5je07784@ncmx01.mgw.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200109182305.f8IN5je07784@ncmx01.mgw.rr.com>; from simon@nitro.dk on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 01:05:19AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Simon L. Nielsen: |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |Hash: SHA1 | |On Tuesday 18 September 2001 22:23, you wrote: | |> AFAICT, the problem with using PicoBSD is that it is based on 3.x which |> doesn't support the Kawasaki USB ethernet card in the IPaq. So I think I |> need to look at 4.x. | |It is based on the version you build it on. It builds fine from 4.x |sources - at least 4.3, hasn't gotten around to testing with 4.4 yet but |it should work fine. | |The rc startup system (the shell scripts) is still based on 3.x (but there |are patches which "fixes" that), but since the kernel can be 4.x i'm rather |sure you can make a PicoBSD with support for the driver you want. Ok, I'll read up on PicoBSD. This is the URL that implied that PicoBSD was 3.x: http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html Thanks, Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 4:47:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (ns.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A0237B417 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 04:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ark.cris.net (ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA71736; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:47:08 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f8JBkbW45890; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:46:37 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:46:37 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Randall Hopper Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010919144637.A45222@ark.cris.net> References: <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net> <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com>; from aa8vb@nc.rr.com on Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:23:10PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, I think problem is quite bigger. IPAQ is Strong-ARM, not ix86 based computer. But FreeBSD does not support ARM based machines for now :( Such project is going on, but it's at early stage now. On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:23:10PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote: > Alexey Zelkin: > |> What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? > |> Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load > |> everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? > | > |Use PicoBSD. > > AFAICT, the problem with using PicoBSD is that it is based on 3.x which > doesn't support the Kawasaki USB ethernet card in the IPaq. So I think I > need to look at 4.x. > > Randall > > -- > Randall Hopper > aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 9:15:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jupiter.linuxengine.net (jupiter.linuxengine.net [209.61.188.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90CD137B406; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 09:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jupiterweb.commercevault.com (jupiterweb.commercevault.com [209.61.179.16] (may be forged)) by jupiter.linuxengine.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f8JGQ2P05491; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:26:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:26:02 -0500 (CDT) From: John Utz X-X-Sender: To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: Randall Hopper , Subject: Re: Booting from Flash In-Reply-To: <20010919144637.A45222@ark.cris.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG randall, where you talking about a legacy free iPaq desktop machine or the iPaq handheld? if u where talking about the handheld, then you are utterly hosed. as Alexey alludes to here, that's a *strongarm* not an x86! u'd have just as much luck trying to install on an imac, maybe better even :-) i had assummed that you where referring to one of those little desktop things. On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Alexey Zelkin wrote: > hi, > > I think problem is quite bigger. IPAQ is Strong-ARM, not ix86 based computer. > But FreeBSD does not support ARM based machines for now :( Such project is > going on, but it's at early stage now. > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 04:23:10PM -0400, Randall Hopper wrote: > > Alexey Zelkin: > > |> What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? > > |> Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load > > |> everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? > > | > > |Use PicoBSD. > > > > AFAICT, the problem with using PicoBSD is that it is based on 3.x which > > doesn't support the Kawasaki USB ethernet card in the IPaq. So I think I > > need to look at 4.x. > > > > Randall > > > > -- > > Randall Hopper > > aa8vb@nc.rr.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > -- John L. Utz III john@utzweb.net Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 14: 0: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail7.nc.rr.com (mail7.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F6E37B411; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:59:46 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8JKxPf13125; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:59:25 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Alexey Zelkin , John Utz Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010919165925.A12571@nc.rr.com> References: <20010919144637.A45222@ark.cris.net> <20010916193310.A26261@nc.rr.com> <20010918165759.A87390@phantom.cris.net> <20010918162310.A58036@nc.rr.com> <20010919144637.A45222@ark.cris.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010919144637.A45222@ark.cris.net>; from phantom@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 02:46:37PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alexey Zelkin: |> |> What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? |> |> Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load |> |> everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? | |I think problem is quite bigger. IPAQ is Strong-ARM, not ix86 based computer. |But FreeBSD does not support ARM based machines for now :( Such project is |going on, but it's at early stage now. John Utz: |randall, where you talking about a legacy free iPaq desktop machine or the |iPaq handheld? It's the 10" LCD Desktop, not the handheld. - K6-2/266 CPU - 16MB RAM, & 16MB Flash Drive - 800x600 10" LCD screen - Cyberblade i7 VIA chipset - Kawasaki USB->Ethernet - USB Keyboard/Mouse See http://www.linux-hacker.net/ipaq/ If we can just get the network card, XFree86, and an xterm running on it, I'll be satisfied. Using it as an X server for remote apps is probably the best option given it's memory size. But that may be a problem for PicoBSD (as it doesn't support X, or so the docs say...), so I'll keep reading. Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 15:12:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f271.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF9237B40C for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:12:44 -0700 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:12:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck TheMascot" To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:12:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2001 22:12:44.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[35272590:01C14158] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds quite a bit like the I-Opener I played with last year. The Kawasaki USB chip in my Netgear USB adapter was supported by 4.2 and worked, sort of. The performance was all over the place and I occasionally got timeout errors from the device driver, nothing but a reboot recovered the timeout errors. Perhaps 4.4 is better. One of the Linux guys had a Linux distro called Jailbait that included X and ran from the I-Opener's 16mb flash. I had a hard disk attached to mine so I never bothered trying to put FreeBSD into the flash. I'll bet you can get X running under Pico, remember Pico is just a stripped down version of FreeBSD. The PicoBSD web pages are badly out of date, basically ignore them. I've found http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~brucem/pico_notes.htm to be the best info on PicoBSD. I'm just installing 4.4 now, perhaps some of docs have been updated. The docs that came with 4.3 were also out of date. >It's the 10" LCD Desktop, not the handheld. > > - K6-2/266 CPU > - 16MB RAM, & 16MB Flash Drive > - 800x600 10" LCD screen > - Cyberblade i7 VIA chipset > - Kawasaki USB->Ethernet > - USB Keyboard/Mouse > > See http://www.linux-hacker.net/ipaq/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 18:50:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E6C37B411 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA03034; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:50:15 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:50:15 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Chuck TheMascot Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010919185015.A3012@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from freebsdfan@hotmail.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:12:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:12:44PM -0700, Chuck TheMascot wrote: > Sounds quite a bit like the I-Opener I played with last year. The > Kawasaki USB chip in my Netgear USB adapter was supported by 4.2 and > worked, sort of. The performance was all over the place and I > occasionally got timeout errors from the device driver, nothing but a > reboot recovered the timeout errors. Perhaps 4.4 is better. I own three I-Openers. One is in service with the mother-in-law, but the other two are still in un-opened boxes. I bought them with the intention of running FreeBSD on them Do you still have any scripts, etc. laying around? I know the USB port works for a mouse. Do you think it would work for external storage (floppy or hard disk)? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 19:55:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail8.nc.rr.com (fe8.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6F037B406 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stealth.cary.dummynet ([66.26.231.240]) by mail8.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:55:19 -0400 Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.cary.dummynet (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8K2smI17731; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:54:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from aa8vb@nc.rr.com) X-Authentication-Warning: stealth.cary.dummynet: rhh set sender to aa8vb@nc.rr.com using -f Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:54:48 -0400 From: Randall Hopper To: Chuck TheMascot Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010919225448.D17530@nc.rr.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from freebsdfan@hotmail.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:12:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chuck TheMascot: |Sounds quite a bit like the I-Opener I played with last year. The Kawasaki |USB chip in my Netgear USB adapter was supported by 4.2 and worked, sort of. | The performance was all over the place and I occasionally got timeout |errors from the device driver, nothing but a reboot recovered the timeout |errors. Perhaps 4.4 is better. ... Cool. I too would be interested in any notes/configs you might have lying around from your I-Opener work. I'm trying to help this Linux guy set things up by remote control 1000 miles away, so any tips you might have could save some serious time iterating. Thanks, Randall -- Randall Hopper aa8vb@nc.rr.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 21:13:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f119.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A58137B408 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:13:38 -0700 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 04:13:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck TheMascot" To: aa8vb@nc.rr.com Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:13:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2001 04:13:38.0282 (UTC) FILETIME=[9FA5CCA0:01C1418A] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >I own three I-Openers. One is in service with the mother-in-law, >but the other two are still in un-opened boxes. I bought them with >the intention of running FreeBSD on them > >Do you still have any scripts, etc. laying around? I know the USB >port works for a mouse. Do you think it would work for external >storage (floppy or hard disk)? > > -crl >-- It was a standard FreeBSD 4.0 installation. I have a 2.5 inch hard disk attached to mine so I didn't try to install FreeBSD on the flash. Basically all I did was use a 2.5 inch to 3.5 inch adapter to hook the laptop drive to my "normal" system and then I did a "normal" FreeBSD installation from CDROM. I then recompiled the kernel for the I-Opener and the moved the configured and ready to go hard disk over to the I-Opener. I didn't try any USB attached storage, but I believe it should work. I remember at least one person reporting success with USB Zip drives on an I-Opener under FreeBSD. You guys are getting me interested in this toy again. I haven't turned it on months, I just hooked it up again to get the configuration file. I had originally planned on making the I-Opener into a firewall to replace my aging 486, but I gave up when I discovered how flaky the USB Ethernet adapter was. I'm currently building a replacement firewall using a Soekris net4501. I'll try building a 4.4 PicoBSD for the I-opener when I get time, with the boot manager it should be easy to test since I can boot from hard disk or flash at the press of a key. The only problem I had was that the I-Opener BIOS leaves the screen in graphics mode when it boots and FreeBSD (4.0) never put it back into character mode. You had to hit the key to switch from the graphic "nothin' but 'net" screen to the BIOS screen before FreeBSD booted, otherwise the console screen was never be displayed. To fix this problem I added the following to /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/boot2.c at the top of main(): v86.addr = 0x10; v86.eax = 3; v86int(); v86.eax = 0x500; v86int(); By the way the "Jailbait" Linux distribution can be found @ http://sourceforge.net/projects/jailbait/ , there's some talk in the forum about porting it to the IA-1. Here's the configuration file for my I-Opener with a NetGear EA101 USB Ethernet adapter(for FreeBSD 4.0): --- snip --- machine i386 cpu I386_CPU cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident IOPENER maxusers 32 #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options INET #InterNETworking #options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device options NFS #Network Filesystem options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extentions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed #options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel #options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O # Optionally these may need tweaked, (defaults shown): #options NCPU=2 # number of CPUs #options NBUS=4 # number of busses #options NAPIC=1 # number of IO APICs #options NINTR=24 # number of INTs device isa #device eisa device pci # Floppy drives #device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 #device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 #device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 #device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives #device atapifd # ATAPI floppy drives #device atapist # ATAPI tape drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI Controllers #device ahb # EISA AHA1742 family #device ahc # AHA2940 and onboard AIC7xxx devices #device amd # AMD 53C974 (Teckram DC-390(T)) #device dpt # DPT Smartcache - See LINT for options! #device isp # Qlogic family #device ncr # NCR/Symbios Logic #device sym # NCR/Symbios Logic (newer chipsets) #device adv0 at isa? #device adw #device bt0 at isa? #device aha0 at isa? #device aic0 at isa? # SCSI peripherals #device scbus # SCSI bus (required) #device da # Direct Access (disks) #device sa # Sequential Access (tape etc) #device cd # CD #device pass # Passthrough device (direct SCSI access) # RAID controllers #device ida # Compaq Smart RAID #device amr # AMI MegaRAID #device mlx # Mylex DAC960 family # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? # Enable this and PCVT_FREEBSD for pcvt vt220 compatible console driver #device vt0 at isa? #options XSERVER # support for X server on a vt console #options FAT_CURSOR # start with block cursor # If you have a ThinkPAD, uncomment this along with the rest of the PCVT lines #options PCVT_SCANSET=2 # IBM keyboards are non-std # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? disable flags 0x20 # Advanced Power Management # PCCARD (PCMCIA) support #device card #device pcic0 at isa? irq 10 port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 #device pcic1 at isa? irq 11 port 0x3e2 iomem 0xd4000 disable # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 #device sio2 at isa? disable port IO_COM3 irq 5 #device sio3 at isa? disable port IO_COM4 irq 9 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer #device plip # TCP/IP over parallel #device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NICs. #device de # DEC/Intel DC21x4x (``Tulip'') #device fxp # Intel EtherExpress PRO/100B (82557, 82558) #device tx # SMC 9432TX (83c170 ``EPIC'') #device vx # 3Com 3c590, 3c595 (``Vortex'') #device wx # Intel Gigabit Ethernet Card (``Wiseman'') # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. device miibus # MII bus support #device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes #device rl # RealTek 8129/8139 #device sf # Adaptec AIC-6915 (``Starfire'') #device sis # Silicon Integrated Systems SiS 900/SiS 7016 #device ste # Sundance ST201 (D-Link DFE-550TX) #device tl # Texas Instruments ThunderLAN #device vr # VIA Rhine, Rhine II #device wb # Winbond W89C840F #device xl # 3Com 3c90x (``Boomerang'', ``Cyclone'') # ISA Ethernet NICs. #device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 iomem 0xd8000 #device ex #device ep # WaveLAN/IEEE 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the WaveLAN/IEEE really # exists only as a PCMCIA device, so there is no ISA attatement needed # and resources will always be dynamically assigned by the pccard code. #device wi # Aironet 4500/4800 802.11 wireless NICs. Note: the declaration below will # work for PCMCIA and PCI cards, as well as ISA cards set to ISA PnP # mode (the factory default). If you set the switches on your ISA # card for a manually chosen I/O address and IRQ, you must specify # those paremeters here. #device an # The probe order of these is presently determined by i386/isa/isa_compat.c. #device ie0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 iomem 0xd0000 #device fe0 at isa? port 0x300 #device le0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 5 iomem 0xd0000 #device lnc0 at isa? port 0x280 irq 10 drq 0 #device cs0 at isa? port 0x300 #device sn0 at isa? port 0x300 irq 10 # requires PCCARD (PCMCIA) support to be activated #device xe0 at isa? # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" #pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface #device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) #device ugen # Generic #device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" #device ukbd # Keyboard #device ulpt # Printer #device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da #device ums # Mouse # USB Ethernet, requires mii #device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet #device cue # CATC USB ethernet device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Sep 19 23:53:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9849B37B40F for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA03707; Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:53:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:53:36 -0700 From: "Chad R. Larson" To: Chuck TheMascot Cc: aa8vb@nc.rr.com, small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: <20010919235336.B3647@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from freebsdfan@hotmail.com on Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:13:37PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 09:13:37PM -0700, Chuck TheMascot wrote: >>I own three I-Openers. One is in service with the mother-in-law, >>but the other two are still in un-opened boxes. I bought them with >>the intention of running FreeBSD on them > > You guys are getting me interested in this toy again. I haven't > turned it on months, I just hooked it up again to get the > configuration file. My ideal would be to have a web/ftp server that had all the tools and instructions you would need. I'd be happy to host such a thing at DCF, Inc. So, a person should be able to crack an I-Opener without a screwdriver. Perform the keyboard gymnastics to get to a QNX prompt as it powers up, dial up a PPP connection to the modem sitting on the DCF, Inc. server, download a PicoBSD and the tool to flash it and go. To be a bit more elaborate, you could flash just a kernel and plug some storage into the USB port, and have an almost real computer. > I'm currently building a replacement firewall using a Soekris net4501. I had been using an old 486DX50 running the firewall/NAT/router code from Network Safety (www.safety.net), but replaced it with a Linksys BEFSR11. Works just fine with my Cox@home, but I kinda miss the control I had before. So I too have ordered a net4501. Soren says the yield he's been getting is terrible, and I'm on backorder. Oh, well... -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Sep 20 4:59:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.du.gtn.com (mail.du.gtn.com [194.77.9.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B128C37B403 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from batman.roy.de (dsdf-d5141834.dsl.mediaWays.net [213.20.24.52]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by mail.du.gtn.com (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with ESMTP id f8KBxf410959 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:59:41 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20010920135043.02dbaec0@mail.du.gtn.com> X-Sender: pppsr01@mail.du.gtn.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:54:16 +0200 To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org From: siro Subject: i-opener In-Reply-To: <20010919235336.B3647@freeway.dcfinc.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, the thread about the i-opener sounds very interesting vor a mail-pc; and i visited the linux-hacker.net where can i get an i-opener in europe (germany)? simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Sep 20 7:58:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f207.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.207]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4EF37B41C for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 07:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 07:58:33 -0700 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 14:58:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck TheMascot" To: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 07:58:32 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2001 14:58:33.0200 (UTC) FILETIME=[B79DB700:01C141E4] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >My ideal would be to have a web/ftp server that had all the tools >and instructions you would need. I'd be happy to host such a thing >at DCF, Inc. > >So, a person should be able to crack an I-Opener without a screwdriver. >Perform the keyboard gymnastics to get to a QNX prompt as it powers up, >dial up a PPP connection to the modem sitting on the DCF, Inc. server, >download a PicoBSD and the tool to flash it and go. I haven't been following the I-Opener scene for quite a while, at one point they had disabled the backdoor into the QNX from the BIOS (after I wrote a program to reflash the BIOS from QNX :) ). Some of the original I-Openers had cgi scripts that could be accessed from a web server to do just about anything, there was one guy who started to author a site to do just that minus needing to get into Qnx. (Un)fortunately they closed that hole pretty quickly. >To be a bit more elaborate, you could flash just a kernel and plug >some storage into the USB port, and have an almost real computer. > > > I'm currently building a replacement firewall using a Soekris net4501. > >I had been using an old 486DX50 running the firewall/NAT/router code >from Network Safety (www.safety.net), but replaced it with a Linksys >BEFSR11. Works just fine with my Cox@home, but I kinda miss the >control I had before. So I too have ordered a net4501. Soren says >the yield he's been getting is terrible, and I'm on backorder. Oh, >well... A friend bought a NetGear Cable/DSL firewall/NAT/router box at BestBuy for $30 (probably a billing screw up, list was $119) about the same time I bought the net4501 for almost 10x as much ... I just couldn't stand giving up the control (and toy factor). My 486DX2-66 is on it's last legs, it freezes during the BIOS memory test from time to time. Luckily it's still solid after it's been on for a few minutes. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Sep 20 8: 1:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f145.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F96F37B40F for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:01:44 -0700 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:01:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck TheMascot" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i-opener Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:01:43 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2001 15:01:44.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[296F97E0:01C141E5] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >hi, > >the thread about the i-opener sounds very interesting vor a mail-pc; >and i visited the linux-hacker.net >where can i get an i-opener in europe (germany)? > >simon I'd try ebay. They were never easy to get outside of the US and the company is close to out of business (www.i-opener.net). Their web site doesn't say anything about how to buy one these days. Sorry. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Sep 20 8:29:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f262.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.8.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0D237B40A for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:29:44 -0700 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 20 Sep 2001 15:29:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck TheMascot" To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:29:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2001 15:29:44.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[12F36150:01C141E9] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just reread your message this time I noticed that the flash is a *removeable* CF card! Too cool. If the laptop runs FreeBSD and recognizes the CF card it should be a piece of cake ! If you run out of room in the 16mb for X, just buy a bigger CF card. Frys has 128mb CF cards for around $75. Does the IA-1 have a fan ? One thing that is (was) nice about the I-Opener is that it's completely slient. >A guy I know bought a Compaq Ipaq IA1 for a song and wants to try FreeBSD >on it (Linux has problems with the ethernet card). > >Basically it has a 16 MB flash sandisk (i.e. virtual IDE hard disk), 16MB >of mem, but no floppy. He can however yank the flash card, take it to a >friends, and load it up via dd on a laptop. > >What is the best way to get FreeBSD up and running on this box? >Is there a simple way to put a basic loader on the flash and then load >everything (kernel, MFS root, etc.) via the ethernet? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Sep 22 9: 7:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from atg2.atgnet.com (atg2.atgnet.com [165.254.146.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6420637B40C for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (blam@localhost) by atg2.atgnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA61277 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:11:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Bernardo Lam To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Booting from Flash Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have several I-openers and have installed/ran FreeBSD 4.3, Linux, Windows, all running off the same hard drive (and some Linux distros on the Flash drive). I currently have one of them running FreeBSD 4.3-snap-something as my dialup gateway to the Internet connected to a wireless access point via USB, the built in modem and the Ethernet/USB work fine. I did it just for the fun of it (and because I already had the Iopeners), using the SMC wireless Barricade with a modem may be a lot easier for a newbie for maybe about the same price. Having installed the jailbait and midori on the Sandisk, my next project is to install picobsd on the Sandisk, I like FreeBSD a lot better than the others. Any hints?, I'll follow the instructions for solid state devices on www.freebsd.org, lets see what happens... For those with the video problem on startup, there is a "patched" BIOS that solves this problem. I don't have the URL at this moment, but is easy to find at the linux-hacker site. Bernardo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Sep 22 9:59:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f217.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED84637B41E for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:59:40 -0700 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:59:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck TheMascot" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Kernel panic w/ Picobsd 4.4 & tftp boot Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:59:40 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2001 16:59:40.0735 (UTC) FILETIME=[F83B0CF0:01C14387] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been updating my PicoBSD firewall to the FreeBSD 4.4 release and it's working fine when booted with the nfs version of pxeboot. I've never had any success with the tftp only version of pxeboot, but I thought I'd give it a try again. When I boot my kernel with the tftp version I get the following crash: --- snip --- Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. syms=[0x4+0x490+0x4+0x203] Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #0: Fri Sep 21 14:30:53 PDT 2001 pink@floyd:/usr/src/sys/compile/PICOBSD-thewall.net4501.pxe.0.2 Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: AMD Enhanced Am486DX4 Write-Back (486-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x494 Stepping = 4 Features=0x1 real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 59330560 (57940K bytes) pnpbios: Bad PnP BIOS data checksum Preloaded elf kernel "kernel.gz" at 0xc05de000. md1: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 sis0: port 0xe000-0xe0ff mem 0xa0000000-0xa0000ff f irq 10 at device 18.0 on pci0 sis0: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:4c miibus0: on sis0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis1: port 0xe100-0xe1ff mem 0xa0001000-0xa0001ff f irq 11 at device 19.0 on pci0 sis1: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:4d miibus1: on sis1 ukphy1: on miibus1 ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto sis2: port 0xe200-0xe2ff mem 0xa0002000-0xa0002ff f irq 5 at device 20.0 on pci0 sis2: Ethernet address: 00:00:24:c0:00:4e miibus2: on sis2 ukphy2: on miibus2 ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto isa0: on motherboard orm0: