From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 0:36: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from surfnett.surfnett.de (surfnett.surfnett.de [195.88.140.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3EA37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 00:36:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mh@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from localhost (LuckySurfer-0038.b.SurfNett.de [195.211.217.38]) by surfnett.surfnett.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21029 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 09:45:26 +0200 Message-Id: <200105060745.JAA21029@surfnett.surfnett.de> Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 09:36:16 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) From: Matthias Heidbrink To: stable@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: subscribe Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 1:13:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dada.it (mail3.dada.it [195.110.96.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A51137B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 01:13:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ale@unixmania.net) Received: (qmail 30507 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 08:13:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO libero.sunshine.ale) (195.110.114.252) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 6 May 2001 08:13:37 -0000 Received: by libero.sunshine.ale (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 02BE05E94; Sun, 6 May 2001 10:13:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 10:13:36 +0200 From: Alessandro de Manzano To: Dave Uhring Cc: Wolfgang Zenker , John Grigoriev , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Message-ID: <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> Reply-To: Alessandro de Manzano References: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com>; from duhring@charter.net on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:40:00PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:40:00PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: > Works here, too, with just > > device pcm excuse my intrusion ;-) you mean you have this device : libero:(root)/root# cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 1 2001 14:11:58 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) and libero:(root)/root# dmesg | grep pcm pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0 (FreeBSD 4.3-stable of May, 1st) and works correctly ? I ask you because mine is not! :( If I try playing, example, a MP3 file with AMP 0.7.6 (it's in the ports) I only got errors "Unable to seq frequenct : 44100" The same with other MP3 players :( I tought such "AC'97" pseudo-audio devices were not (yet?) fully supported, but if your is working maybe I'm wrong ;) I don't understand what I could do to get it work ..:-| -- bye! Ale adm@unixmania.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 2:57:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ctonet.it (mail.ctonet.it [212.110.160.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E67D37B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 02:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olgeni@uli.it) Received: from olgeni.olgeni (ppp-48.dial5.ctonet.it [212.110.180.48]) by mail.ctonet.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C06121CD for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:57:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olgeni.olgeni (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f469vWD21045 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:57:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olgeni@uli.it) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 11:57:32 +0200 (CEST) From: Jimmy Olgeni X-X-Sender: To: Subject: buildkernel fails on screensavers if /usr/obj empty Message-ID: <20010505161732.O30021-100000@olgeni.olgeni> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi all, Just noticed a strange thing while running "make buildkernel" on a very late -stable. If I start the build with and empty /usr/obj/ directory, make buildworld, and then make buildkernel, it will stop when compiling syscons screensavers: host# pwd /usr/src host# make buildkernel -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Kernel build for BSDBOX started on Sat Apr 28 21:58:45 CEST 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------- ===> BSDBOX mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/sys cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX BSDBOX [...snip...] ld -Bshareable -o green_saver.ko setdef0.o green_saver.kld setdef1.o ===> syscons/logo make: don't know how to make /usr/src/sys/modules/syscons/logo/machine/ansi.h. Stop *** Error code 2 [...snip...] I have to run make manually in syscons: host# cd /usr/src/sys/modules/syscons host# make ===> blank Warning: Object directory not changed from original /usr/src/sys/modules/syscons/blank @ -> /usr/src/sys machine -> /usr/src/sys/i386/include [...snip...] ld -Bshareable -o apm_saver.ko setdef0.o apm_saver.kld setdef1.o Then I have to rerun buildkernel, and it will work: host# make buildkernel -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Kernel build for BSDBOX started on Sat Apr 28 22:14:07 CEST 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------- ===> BSDBOX mkdir -p /usr/obj/usr/src/sys cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin config -d /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/BSDBOX BSDBOX Don't forget to do a ``make depend'' [...snip...] cc -O -pipe -D_KERNEL -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -ansi -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I. -I@ -I@/../include -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -c setdef1.c ld -Bshareable -o if_wi.ko setdef0.o if_wi.kld setdef1.o -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Kernel build for BSDBOX completed on Sat Apr 28 22:26:27 CEST 2001 -------------------------------------------------------------- Am I doing anything wrong? -- jimmy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 3:48:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smarthost1.mail.easynet.fr (smarthost1.mail.easynet.fr [212.180.1.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC4C37B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 03:48:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fonvi@easynet.fr) Received: from mx1.mail.easynet.fr (slb-1-sippriv.mail.easynet.fr [10.0.1.57]) by smarthost1.mail.easynet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAD8B825 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:48:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vobiscum.styx.org (adsl-4-223.adsl.easynet.fr [195.114.94.223]) by mx1.mail.easynet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DE9B6A8 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by vobiscum.styx.org (8.11.3/8.9.3/ - 6/08/98) id f46ApW104526 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:51:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:51:32 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: aic support on Stable-branch? Message-ID: <20010506125131.A4255@vobiscum.styx.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Useless-Header: Black Metal inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hello, I've got an Adaptec AVA1505 scsi card running fine with FreeBSD 3.5-Stable. On 4.X this card isn't seen at boot. I noticed some changes on Current's source tree for this driver, maybe it could help me. Could someone MFC these changes? Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 3:48:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C0B37B43E for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 03:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave.uhring.com) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2276617; Sun, 06 May 2001 04:48:18 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: Alessandro de Manzano Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 05:48:24 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Wolfgang Zenker , John Grigoriev , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com> <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> In-Reply-To: <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050605482400.00352@dave.uhring.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 06 May 2001 03:13, Alessandro de Manzano wrote: > On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 03:40:00PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: > > Works here, too, with just > > > > device pcm > > excuse my intrusion ;-) > > > you mean you have this device : > > libero:(root)/root# cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 1 2001 14:11:58 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > and > > libero:(root)/root# dmesg | grep pcm > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff > irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0 > > (FreeBSD 4.3-stable of May, 1st) > > and works correctly ? > > I ask you because mine is not! :( > > If I try playing, example, a MP3 file with AMP 0.7.6 (it's in the > ports) I only got errors "Unable to seq frequenct : 44100" > > The same with other MP3 players :( > > I tought such "AC'97" pseudo-audio devices were not (yet?) fully > supported, but if your is working maybe I'm wrong ;) > > > I don't understand what I could do to get it work ..:-| From dmesg: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Sat Apr 28 19:44:10 CDT 2001 pcm0: port 0xe400-0xe403,0xe000-0xe003,0xdc00-0xdcff irq 11 at device 7.5 on pci0 The last 5 lines of kernconf file: # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter device pcm # cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Apr 28 2001 19:43:51 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xdc00 irq 11 (1p/1r channels duplex) # mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer speaker is currently set to 75:75 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 Mixer rec is currently set to 0:0 Mixer line1 is currently set to 75:75 Mixer phin is currently set to 0:0 Mixer phout is currently set to 0:0 Mixer video is currently set to 75:75 Mixer monitor is currently set to 0:0 And I'm listing to KING-FM radio from Seattle this moment using RealPlayer8. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 5:18: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beta.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 17F1537B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 05:18:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 33232 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 12:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO work.root.li) (62.2.99.33) by beta.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 6 May 2001 12:17:58 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:17:09 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <139857383021.20010506141709@buz.ch> To: Charlie Watts Cc: Jan Mikkelsen , Doug Russell , Matt Dillon , freebsd-stable Subject: Re[2]: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Charlie, Sunday, May 06, 2001, 1:53:20 AM, you wrote: >> IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With neither >> option, it is terrible, of course. > I see the same behaviour on one of those disks, too. But - aren't IBM's > DTLA-series disks the only IDE drives that support TCQ? > [ It's a -very- SCSI-feeling feature, in my mind. ] It was about time this was implemented in IDE disk as this takes them nearer to the ridiculously overpriced SCSI stuff. While I've always been a lover of IBM drives, this feature is really cool. Is it on by default if you use DTLA disks or do I need to activate it specifically, BTW? Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBOvUytsZa2WpymlDxAQE8UAf9GzBmTQEsSshBLmgYalLhO56mkiDm7w0m FxBjiSrVSjH2ht1ETUpzCEAxqoX3XwGSl6dZ41ZxM49RseROy+ckpGuHzRK/9U5M 3nhsK1QZa9K+IYfLSpi11vv2LwEJQ1xYKN03ZUPtFsrHaWj8oyCy1ONiuxmL4pNG 2N6ah3KEfljWv68ymAhe4uANxLLWHfZc1/r3DQd3oGXl5ZqqF6zx5ejhzXbnthQI mrN0v9dNK4ZBLsa3bh5zVN5lcZpJ7cr+mND+REAE4x8JYp8rTJOoocAMwDjJN7oE KrQlCcmnBE3bM+Dj0KCF1bBcOWGNLpcO9HofqcFrjAkH0xBo2dmGAg== =eNhO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 5:41: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hamilton.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (hamilton.th.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.162.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36E8837B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 05:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrad@th.physik.uni-bonn.de) Received: from merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.161.121]) by hamilton.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106125D1B; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:40:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix, from userid 145) id 1F6E93640E; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:40:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCC73260E; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:40:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:40:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Jan Conrad To: Jan Mikkelsen Cc: Doug Russell , Matt Dillon , freebsd-stable Subject: Tagged Queueing and ATA driver (was soft update should be default) In-Reply-To: <00b601c0d5bd$42ba1340$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, if I read the sources correctly, enabling tagged queueuing in the ata driver *IMPLIES* write caching!!! So it's pretty clear why tagged queueing is as good as write cacheing (or as bad :-) sys/dev/ata/ata-disk.c of 4.3R says /* enable write cacheing if allowed and not default on device */ if (ata_wc || ata_tags) { if (ata_command(adp->controller, adp->unit, ATA_C_SETFEATURES, 0, 0, 0, 0, ATA_C_F_ENAB_WCACHE, ATA_WAIT_INTR)) ata_printf(scp, device, "enabling write cache failed\n"); } What I really do not understand here - maybe it's trivial, as I am not an expert here - is why does tags imply wc for ATA but not for SCSI? The SCSI driver says 'Tagged Queueing Enabled' even on my SCSI disk (IBM DDYS-T18350N) where WCE is off! -Jan On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: > Doug Russell wrote: > > >On Sat, 5 May 2001, Matt Dillon wrote: > > > >> Not only will the hard drive not be able to write the write-cached > >> data to the media, but IDE hard drives will not guarentee write > >> ordering either. Someone did a test a while back and found that > >> under heavy disk loads an IDE drive could hold some of the dirty data > >> in its cache for an indefinite period of time without writing it out. > >> i.e. it would write out some of the dirty data but also hold some of > it > >> indefinitely, unwritten. > > > >Blech. IDE. Need I say more? :) > >(Yes, I do have some IDE disks, but I prefer SCSI. Don't we all? :) ) > >I don't have WCE on any IDE disk i can think of, but I don't normally run > >it on my SCSIs, either, unless I specifically need the write speed. > > > Good write speed is possible without using write cache by using tagged > command queueing. Have you measured tagged command queueing vs. write cache > for write speed on your SCSI drives? I get about the same (~23MB/sec) on an > IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With neither > option, it is terrible, of course. > > The question is how much performance the write ordering constraints in the > softupdates protocol removes. I have no idea, and I'm sure it would depend > on all sorts of stuff. Hopefully, aggregate throughput would be high, even > if individual operations were slow. > > Jan Mikkelsen > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Physikalisches Institut der Universitaet Bonn Nussallee 12 D-53115 Bonn GERMANY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 6: 4:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f81.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633CE37B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 06:04:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from messiah_man@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 May 2001 06:04:36 -0700 Received: from 212.97.250.29 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2001 13:04:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.97.250.29] From: "Munish Chopra" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 15:04:36 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2001 13:04:36.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[19F43100:01C0D62D] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If the following isn't an appropriate subject for discussion on this particular mailing list, please move ensuing discussion to one that is more appropriate (possibly -hackers or -hardware). We are a simply a few guys who at more or less the same time got tired of not having 3D-support for our NVIDIA cards in FreeBSD. So we decided to start 'The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative'. As the name may say, we tried to figure out how we were going to get hardware accelerated 3D drivers for FreeBSD. After going through a bit of work and contacting NVIDIA, it's come to this: We are located at http://nvidia.netexplorer.org, from where we try to keep people updated on how the effort is going. We have taken over Michael Carlson's petition for drivers (some of you may remember it from when it was started back in January), and if you haven't signed it yet, please come on over and do. There IS currently a team working on the drivers (not NVIDIA itself, but some people who are getting a bit of help from NVIDIA at least). We will keep you updated on how things go. For those of you wondering about the legal issues, they DID come up, and have been successfully resolved. Please drop by the site to sign the petition and check on how things are going. Cheers, Munish Chopra The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 7:50: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peace.mahoroba.org (peace.calm.imasy.or.jp [202.227.26.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DEA37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 07:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Received: from localhost (IDENT:451JFqyNddXVTrvvsQLYNp99Hw1HIBDtvXR2DAcVurBwCk3c8NezzkYNJ9CVmfbw@localhost [::1]) (authenticated as ume with CRAM-MD5) by peace.mahoroba.org (8.11.3/8.11.3/peace) with ESMTP/inet6 id f46En9105439; Sun, 6 May 2001 23:49:09 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from ume@mahoroba.org) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 23:49:05 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010506.234905.35097184.ume@mahoroba.org> To: Tim.Ehrhart@eln.ericsson.se Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPv6 address in /etc/resolv.conf ? From: Hajimu UMEMOTO In-Reply-To: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373C0@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> References: <7BA41B5547CCD411833B0002A52CD457F373C0@enlrynt306.etm.ericsson.se> X-Mailer: xcite1.38> Mew version 1.95b119 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 =?iso-2022-jp?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= X-PGP-Public-Key: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/publickey.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 0C 53 FC 5D D0 37 91 05 D0 B3 EF 36 9B 6A BC X-URL: http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ X-OS: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> On Fri, 4 May 2001 09:15:19 +0200 >>>>> "Tim Ehrhart (ELN)" said: Tim.Ehrhart> Sorry for not including all relevant info: Tim.Ehrhart> 1. I have a valid (Solaris) BIND9 IPv6 server running on the address listed Tim.Ehrhart> 2. I made bind-9.1.1 in /usr/ports/net/bind9 on "client" FreeBSD machine. Tim.Ehrhart> Should that be enough to be able to put IPv6 addresses in resolv.conf now ? I suspect your named doesn't listen on IPv6 correctly. Can you see IPv6 listen in the output of `netstat -a'? My bind-9.1.1 version of nslookup seems to query via IPv6 on my 4.3-RELEASE box. It was installed from ports/net/bind9. ume@piano:353> /usr/local/bin/nslookup -sil -type=any www.imasy.or.jp. Server: 2001:200:300:1:220:edff:fe88:788c Address: 2001:200:300:1:220:edff:fe88:788c#53 Non-authoritative answer: www.imasy.or.jp has AAAA address 3ffe:505:0:1:220:edff:fe88:788c www.imasy.or.jp has AAAA address 2001:200:300:1:220:edff:fe88:788c Name: www.imasy.or.jp Address: 202.227.24.5 Authoritative answers can be found from: imasy.or.jp nameserver = tasogare.imasy.or.jp. imasy.or.jp nameserver = light.imasy.or.jp. light.imasy.or.jp internet address = 202.227.24.4 light.imasy.or.jp has AAAA address 2001:200:300:1:2a0:c9ff:fe61:6521 light.imasy.or.jp has AAAA address 3ffe:505:0:1:2a0:c9ff:fe61:6521 tasogare.imasy.or.jp internet address = 202.227.24.5 -- Hajimu UMEMOTO @ Internet Mutual Aid Society Yokohama, Japan ume@mahoroba.org ume@bisd.hitachi.co.jp ume@{,jp.}FreeBSD.org http://www.imasy.org/~ume/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 8: 1: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from embelia.wanadoo.fr (smtp-rt-7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168A837B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 08:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jean-sebastien.roy@wanadoo.fr) Received: from villosa.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.122) by embelia.wanadoo.fr; 6 May 2001 17:01:00 +0200 Received: from powerdream.root (193.252.108.43) by villosa.wanadoo.fr; 6 May 2001 17:00:39 +0200 From: Jean-Sebastien ROY To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tagged Queueing and ATA driver (was soft update should be default) References: <00b601c0d5bd$42ba1340$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> Organization: - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:00:39 +0200 Message-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Jan Conrad) wrote: > Well, if I read the sources correctly, enabling tagged queueuing in the > ata driver *IMPLIES* write caching!!! > > So it's pretty clear why tagged queueing is as good as write cacheing (or > as bad :-) > > sys/dev/ata/ata-disk.c of 4.3R says > > /* enable write cacheing if allowed and not default on device */ > if (ata_wc || ata_tags) { > if (ata_command(adp->controller, adp->unit, ATA_C_SETFEATURES, > 0, 0, 0, 0, ATA_C_F_ENAB_WCACHE, ATA_WAIT_INTR)) > ata_printf(scp, device, "enabling write cache failed\n"); > } > > What I really do not understand here - maybe it's trivial, as I am not an > expert here - is why does tags imply wc for ATA but not for SCSI? > > The SCSI driver says 'Tagged Queueing Enabled' even on my SCSI disk (IBM > DDYS-T18350N) where WCE is off! > > > -Jan On a related note, is there a way to know if Tagged Queueing and/or Write Caching are -really- enabled ? I've got a Promise controller (), and looking at the code, it seems "Tagged Queueing" is disabled on some promise controllers. But : systctl -a | grep ata always returns what I've put in /boot/loader.conf ie : hw.ata.tags: 1 js To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 10: 5:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from realtime.net (dragon.realtime.net [205.238.128.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C085F37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 10:05:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain ([205.238.153.158]) by realtime.net ; Sun, 06 May 2001 12:00:45 -0600 Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f46H5Rh56488; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:05:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:05:27 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: Alessandro de Manzano , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Message-ID: <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com> <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale>; from adm@unixmania.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 10:13:36AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > you mean you have this device : > > libero:(root)/root# cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 1 2001 14:11:58 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 5 2001 21:57:13 Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 2 (1p/1r channels duplex) pcm1: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 (1p/1r channels) > > and > > libero:(root)/root# dmesg | grep pcm > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff > irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0 > bash-2.04$ dmesg|grep pcm pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff irq 2 at device 7.5 on pci0 pcm1: on sbc0 Note that I have the SB "stuff" enabled in the BIOS as well. This works for the most part. MTV won't work on it, it complains about this some stuff. xmovie will play on it, but xmovie seems to have problems syncing audio and video. For example, Nick Park's "Interview with a Lion" has these sync problems. The audio track runs too fast. This is on a MSI 694D board, btw. Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 10:17:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35EE37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 10:17:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2301444; Sun, 06 May 2001 11:17:11 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: Bruce Burden , Alessandro de Manzano , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:17:10 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain> In-Reply-To: <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050612171000.24178@dave> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 06 May 2001 12:05, Bruce Burden wrote: > > you mean you have this device : > > > > libero:(root)/root# cat /dev/sndstat > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 1 2001 14:11:58 > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 5 2001 21:57:13 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 2 (1p/1r channels duplex) > pcm1: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 (1p/1r channels) > > > and > > > > libero:(root)/root# dmesg | grep pcm > > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff > > irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0 > > bash-2.04$ dmesg|grep pcm > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff > irq 2 at device 7.5 on pci0 > pcm1: on sbc0 > > Note that I have the SB "stuff" enabled in the BIOS as well. > > This works for the most part. MTV won't work on it, it complains > about this some stuff. xmovie will play on it, but xmovie seems to > have problems syncing audio and video. For example, Nick Park's > "Interview with a Lion" has these sync problems. The audio track runs > too fast. > > This is on a MSI 694D board, btw. > What would you bet that the original poster has PnP=YES enabled in his BIOS? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 10:18:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dada.it (mail4.dada.it [195.110.96.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B71937B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 10:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ale@unixmania.net) Received: (qmail 17817 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 17:18:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO libero.sunshine.ale) (195.110.114.252) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 6 May 2001 17:18:36 -0000 Received: by libero.sunshine.ale (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DDF735ECA; Sun, 6 May 2001 19:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:18:24 +0200 From: Alessandro de Manzano To: Bruce Burden Cc: Alessandro de Manzano , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Message-ID: <20010506191824.A376@libero.sunshine.ale> Reply-To: Alessandro de Manzano References: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com> <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain>; from brucegb@realtime.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:05:27PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:05:27PM -0500, Bruce Burden wrote: > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 5 2001 21:57:13 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 2 (1p/1r channels duplex) > pcm1: at io 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 (1p/1r channels) have you also a second sound card ? > Note that I have the SB "stuff" enabled in the BIOS as well. Me too, but seems not to work :( I've enable legacy SB support in BIOS (my motherboard is a MSI 694D as well, dual cpu system) and I've both "device pcm" and "device sbc" in my kernel config file. Does you hear using pcm0 or pcm1 ? Does you have simply "device sbc" or "device sbc0 at isa etc etc etc" ? I really don't understand what's wrong :( many thanks! :-) -- bye! Ale ale@unixmania.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 10:19:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dada.it (mail2.dada.it [195.110.96.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C71C37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 10:19:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ale@unixmania.net) Received: (qmail 17030 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 17:19:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO libero.sunshine.ale) (195.110.114.252) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 6 May 2001 17:19:12 -0000 Received: by libero.sunshine.ale (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1DF555ECA; Sun, 6 May 2001 19:19:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:19:15 +0200 From: Alessandro de Manzano To: Dave Uhring Cc: Bruce Burden , Alessandro de Manzano , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Message-ID: <20010506191915.B376@libero.sunshine.ale> Reply-To: Alessandro de Manzano References: <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain> <01050612171000.24178@dave> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01050612171000.24178@dave>; from duhring@charter.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:17:10PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:17:10PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: > What would you bet that the original poster has PnP=YES enabled in his BIOS? Unfortunately not... :( it's something weird ;( -- bye! Ale ale@unixmania.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 10:47:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (dc-mx07.cluster0.hsacorp.net [209.225.8.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9482E37B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 10:47:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from duhring@charter.net) Received: from [24.217.148.161] (HELO dave) by dc-mx07.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.5) with SMTP id 2303409; Sun, 06 May 2001 11:47:09 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Dave Uhring To: Alessandro de Manzano Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:47:09 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: Bruce Burden , Alessandro de Manzano , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <01050612171000.24178@dave> <20010506191915.B376@libero.sunshine.ale> In-Reply-To: <20010506191915.B376@libero.sunshine.ale> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01050612470902.24178@dave> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sunday 06 May 2001 12:19, Alessandro de Manzano wrote: > On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:17:10PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: > > What would you bet that the original poster has PnP=YES enabled in his > > BIOS? > > Unfortunately not... :( > > it's something weird ;( What is the output of "mixer", i.e. # mixer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 11:14:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.dada.it (mail4.dada.it [195.110.96.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 60B6637B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ale@unixmania.net) Received: (qmail 21906 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 18:14:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO libero.sunshine.ale) (195.110.114.252) by mail.dada.it with SMTP; 6 May 2001 18:14:47 -0000 Received: by libero.sunshine.ale (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 559C65EC8; Sun, 6 May 2001 20:14:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:14:51 +0200 From: Alessandro de Manzano To: Dave Uhring Cc: Bruce Burden , Alessandro de Manzano , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Message-ID: <20010506201451.A512@libero.sunshine.ale> Reply-To: Alessandro de Manzano References: <01050612171000.24178@dave> <20010506191915.B376@libero.sunshine.ale> <01050612470902.24178@dave> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <01050612470902.24178@dave>; from duhring@charter.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:47:09PM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:47:09PM -0500, Dave Uhring wrote: > > it's something weird ;( > > What is the output of "mixer", i.e. libero:(root)/root# mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 75:75 Mixer pcm is currently set to 75:75 Mixer speaker is currently set to 75:75 Mixer line is currently set to 75:75 Mixer mic is currently set to 0:0 Mixer cd is currently set to 75:75 Mixer rec is currently set to 0:0 Mixer line1 is currently set to 75:75 Mixer phin is currently set to 0:0 Mixer phout is currently set to 0:0 Mixer video is currently set to 75:75 Unfortunately it's not so simple :( I start thinking is something hardware-related... :-| I've another FreeBSD box with a SB16 PCI that works fine with "device pcm", the software config is near identical to this machine. -- bye! Ale ale@unixmania.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 11:48:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from glatton.cnchost.com (glatton.cnchost.com [207.155.248.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28ACE37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:48:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bakul@bitblocks.com) Received: from bitblocks.com (adsl-209-204-185-216.sonic.net [209.204.185.216]) by glatton.cnchost.com id OAA29301; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:48:27 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.10] Message-ID: <200105061848.OAA29301@glatton.cnchost.com> To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Doug Russell" , "Matt Dillon" , "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 06 May 2001 12:06:55 +1200." Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 11:48:26 -0700 From: Bakul Shah Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Daryl says that IBM drives are less likely to cause corruption, as they > shipped with a decently-sized power capacitor which in most cases will have > enough power to complete the cache write-out. This doesn't help with caching > SCSI controllers, obviously. See http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/hdtest/ where Anton Ertl (author of the above test) says: I have tested a Quantum Fireball CR8.4A disk in the default configuration under Linux 2.2.1 on a Red Hat 5.1 distribution. The result was that block 0 was not even written once to the disk (i.e., the "last commited" line had the wrong magic number) before I turned off the power, while hundreds of other blocks were written. I got the same result on a IBM-DHEA-36480. I then turned off write caching on the Quantum with hdparm -W 0 /dev/ and repeated the test. In contrast to earlier hdtest was now quite noisy and produced the correct result. This implies that the hard disk originally (in the default setting) used write caching and somehow "optimized" the writes to block 0 away. My conclusion is that applications and file systems requiring in-order writes should turn off write caching for the disk they use. His program writes to a raw partition in a sequence like block 1000, block 0, block 1001, block 0, block 1002, block 0 ... and he powers off the machine in the middle and checks on reboot what happened. -- bakul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 11:52:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC9337B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 702E610F40F; Sun, 6 May 2001 13:52:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <012701c0d65d$ad7e1dc0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Munish Chopra" , References: Subject: Re: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 13:52:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think you're a little late, check out http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fbsd-nvdriver/ I'd hate to see the two teams work alone and make two separate drivers than together and one better driver. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Munish Chopra" To: Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 8:04 AM Subject: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative > If the following isn't an appropriate subject for discussion on this > particular mailing list, please move ensuing discussion to one that is more > appropriate (possibly -hackers or -hardware). > > We are a simply a few guys who at more or less the same time got tired of > not having 3D-support for our NVIDIA cards in FreeBSD. So we decided to > start 'The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative'. As the name may say, we tried > to figure out how we were going to get hardware accelerated 3D drivers for > FreeBSD. After going through a bit of work and contacting NVIDIA, it's come > to this: > > We are located at http://nvidia.netexplorer.org, from where we try to keep > people updated on how the effort is going. We have taken over Michael > Carlson's petition for drivers (some of you may remember it from when it was > started back in January), and if you haven't signed it yet, please come on > over and do. There IS currently a team working on the drivers (not NVIDIA > itself, but some people who are getting a bit of help from NVIDIA at least). > We will keep you updated on how things go. > > For those of you wondering about the legal issues, they DID come up, and > have been successfully resolved. Please drop by the site to sign the > petition and check on how things are going. > > Cheers, > Munish Chopra > The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 11:57:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3156237B626 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:57:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f46IvGv18578; Sun, 6 May 2001 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 11:57:16 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: Munish Chopra , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative Message-ID: <20010506115716.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <012701c0d65d$ad7e1dc0$931576d8@inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <012701c0d65d$ad7e1dc0$931576d8@inethouston.net>; from dwcjr@inethouston.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 01:52:19PM -0500 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * David W. Chapman Jr. [010506 11:52] wrote: > I think you're a little late, check out > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fbsd-nvdriver/ > > I'd hate to see the two teams work alone and make two separate drivers than > together and one better driver. I wouldn't say "late", this team seems to have some backing by NVIDIA. I think both groups should co-operate and sync on where they are right now. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12: 3: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33F437B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D2210F40F; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <015201c0d65f$2f4ebb60$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Alfred Perlstein" Cc: "Munish Chopra" , , "Erik Greenwald" References: <012701c0d65d$ad7e1dc0$931576d8@inethouston.net> <20010506115716.W18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Subject: Re: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:03:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey, give me a break I just woke up and wanted to get my message across =P I do agree though that both teams should atleast check out what the other is doing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Perlstein" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: "Munish Chopra" ; Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: Re: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative > * David W. Chapman Jr. [010506 11:52] wrote: > > I think you're a little late, check out > > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fbsd-nvdriver/ > > > > I'd hate to see the two teams work alone and make two separate drivers than > > together and one better driver. > > I wouldn't say "late", this team seems to have some backing by > NVIDIA. I think both groups should co-operate and sync on where > they are right now. > > -Alfred > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:13:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from syzyf.ids.gda.pl (syzyf.ids.gda.pl [153.19.20.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1567937B422; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jacol@ids.gda.pl) Received: from ids.gda.pl (jacol@kaliope01.ids.gda.pl [153.19.20.17]) by syzyf.ids.gda.pl (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f46JD5p11304; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:13:06 +0200 Message-ID: <3AF5A2D9.22DCE7BA@ids.gda.pl> Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:15:37 +0200 From: Jacek =?iso-8859-2?Q?J=EAdrzejczak?= Reply-To: jacol@ids.gda.pl X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.4.3 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm trying to install FreeBSD 4.3 on an old HP NetServer LH Plus server, with Mylex DAC960PL (2.73-0-00 firmware, 4MB) card, with no luck. mlx0: DAC96PL, 2 channels, firmware 2.73-0-00, 4MB mlxd0: on mlx0 mlxd0: 20335MB (41646080 sectors) RAID 5 (online) No matter which installation process i choose (floppies - kern.flp & mfsroot.flp or bootable cd) i always get this error message: bus_dmamap_load: Too many segs! buf_len = 0xaa0 mlx0: I/O error - attempt to write beyond end of drive The strange thing is that i was able to install FreeBSD 4.2 with no problem at all. Installation went smoothly and 4.2 was running just fine. Any thoughts/comments/solutions ? Thanks in advance, Jacol. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jacek Jedrzejczak e-mail: jacol@ids.gda.pl -----------------[ It takes a good man to admit a mistake ]----------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:16: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smarthost2.mail.easynet.fr (smarthost2.mail.easynet.fr [212.180.1.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3845537B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fonvi@easynet.fr) Received: from mx1.mail.easynet.fr (slb-1-sippriv.mail.easynet.fr [10.0.1.57]) by smarthost2.mail.easynet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577EAB8AE for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:15:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vobiscum.styx.org (adsl-3-147.adsl.easynet.fr [212.11.27.147]) by mx1.mail.easynet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D25B6A5 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:15:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from marc@localhost) by vobiscum.styx.org (8.11.3/8.9.3/ - 6/08/98) id f46JJFp06876 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:19:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from marc) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:19:15 +0200 From: Marc Fonvieille To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: aic support on Stable-branch? Message-ID: <20010506211915.A6846@vobiscum.styx.org> References: <20010506125131.A4255@vobiscum.styx.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010506125131.A4255@vobiscum.styx.org>; from fonvi@easynet.fr on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:51:32PM +0200 X-Useless-Header: Black Metal inc. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 12:51:32PM +0200, Marc Fonvieille wrote: > I've got an Adaptec AVA1505 scsi card running fine with FreeBSD > 3.5-Stable. On 4.X this card isn't seen at boot. I noticed some > changes on Current's source tree for this driver, maybe it could help > me. > > Could someone MFC these changes? > Sorry, for the lack of details in my previous message. I'm talking about aic(4) driver (Adaptec AIC-6260 and AIC-6360 SCSI driver). Under 4.3-Stable with the following line in the kernel config: device aic0 at isa? the card isn't detected. It gives me the same result if i set port and irq in the kernel config. Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:30:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scully.zoominternet.net (scully.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 446E837B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:30:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: (qmail 4069 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 19:28:53 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-28-174.zoominternet.net (HELO topperwein) (24.154.28.174) by scully.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 6 May 2001 19:28:53 -0000 Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:30:31 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: Chris BeHanna To: Subject: XFree 4.0.3 + Radeon QD Crashes 4.3-STABLE Message-ID: X-X-Sender: behanna@mail.zbzoom.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have the following configuration: Gigabyte GA-7DX mb (onboard ATA-100 and Creative sound) 256MB ECC PC2100 (Crucial) 1.33 Ghz Athlon Thunderbird ATI Radeon QD (64MB DDR VIVO) Adaptec 3950U2B HP CDWriter Plus 9120 Hitachi GD-2000 DVD-ROM Western Digital 45GB IDE drive TEAC floppy drive Whenever I try to start the X server, I crash the whole machine. No traceback, no savecore, no crashdump, nothing. The machine just goes away. I am booted into Win2K at the moment, so I cannot get to my kernel config or my dmesg output. I will post those later. Meanwhile, has anyone else run into this? Is there a workaround or a fix? Thanks, -- Chris BeHanna "This isn't a throttle; it's a *rheostat*!" Software Engineer behanna@zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:43:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from realtime.net (dragon.realtime.net [205.238.128.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F22437B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:43:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain ([205.238.153.158]) by realtime.net ; Sun, 06 May 2001 14:43:27 -0600 Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f46Jn7358317 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:49:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:49:07 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: symbol ktrgenio undefined, "streams.ko" failed to register! Message-ID: <20010506144907.A58294@tigerfish2.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi gang, Okay, I know the link_elf: symbol ktrgenio undefined is an old issue, but I can't find a reference to clear this up. Not that it seems to be hurting anything, but it is annoying. Now that I am running 4.3-STABLE, and not a RC version, I am getting: module_register: module streams already exists! linker_file_sysinit "streams.ko" failed to register! 17 okay,streams.ko is being loaded, kld verified that. Clearly, I have a file telling the kernel loader(?) to load steams.ko, and, I am sure, I have a directive in the kernel to load the streams driver as well. What file is telling the kernel loader, if that is the right process, to load streams.ko? Again, it isn't hurting anything, but it isn't nice to see. Thanks, Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:44:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from realtime.net (dragon.realtime.net [205.238.128.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65B8737B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain ([205.238.153.158]) by realtime.net ; Sun, 06 May 2001 14:37:17 -0600 Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f46JgK358271; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:42:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:42:20 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: Alessandro de Manzano Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... Message-ID: <20010506144220.A58249@tigerfish2.my.domain> References: <01050415400000.00825@dave.uhring.com> <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> <20010506120527.A56448@tigerfish2.my.domain> <20010506191824.A376@libero.sunshine.ale> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010506191824.A376@libero.sunshine.ale>; from ale@unixmania.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 07:18:24PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > have you also a second sound card ? > No, just the built in one. But, since MTV doesn't do audio with it, I probably will add a PCI SB card at some point. > > Does you hear using pcm0 or pcm1 ? > So far as I know, it is only pcm1. Never tried pcm1... > > Does you have simply "device sbc" or "device sbc0 at isa etc etc etc" ? > su-2.04# grep pcm /sys/i386/conf/BRUCE # pcmcia floppy. You will also need to add # pcm: PCM audio through various sound cards. #device pcm0 at isa? irq 10 drq 1 flags 0x0 device pcm # When used with 'device pcm' they also provide pcm sound services. su-2.04# grep sbc /sys/i386/conf/BRUCE # sbc: Creative SoundBlaster ISA PnP/non-PnP device sbc0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 5 drq 1 flags 0x15 Hmm... I didn't realize I had that, until I did the grep... Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:47:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753A937B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:47:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from messiah_man@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:47:20 -0700 Received: from 212.97.245.62 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2001 19:47:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.97.245.62] From: "Munish Chopra" To: dwcjr@inethouston.net, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:47:20 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2001 19:47:20.0418 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CD99C20:01C0D665] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >I think you're a little late, check out >http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fbsd-nvdriver/ > >I'd hate to see the two teams work alone and make two separate drivers than >together and one better driver. We're aware of them and link to them on our page. They're the guys actually coding things up. We're working together with them in the sense that we just 'blow it up' in the sense that we try to get news out to everyone about what's going on. Cheers, Munish _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:50:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts8.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC7437B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([64.228.153.241]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010506195010.CUMT15234.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Sun, 6 May 2001 15:50:10 -0400 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f46JlZN34094; Sun, 6 May 2001 15:47:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <002b01c0d665$001b8b60$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "Bruce Burden" , References: <20010506144907.A58294@tigerfish2.my.domain> Subject: Re: symbol ktrgenio undefined, "streams.ko" failed to register! Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:44:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Now that I am running 4.3-STABLE, and not a RC version, I am > getting: > > module_register: module streams already exists! > linker_file_sysinit "streams.ko" failed to register! 17 > > okay,streams.ko is being loaded, kld verified that. Clearly, I have > a file telling the kernel loader(?) to load steams.ko, and, I am sure, > I have a directive in the kernel to load the streams driver as well. This is where FreeBSD 4.x is broken. If you've got a module statically linked in the kernel, and then try and kldload the module later, it won't detect that it's already loaded, attempt to load it, and then fail with that message, because only then it realizes that it's loaded. kldstat will then show that it's loaded twice. I'm not sure if this affects the operation of the system (aside from wasting more resources). As far as I can tell, this is fixed in -CURRENT. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 12:58: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f126.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7AF37B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from messiah_man@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 6 May 2001 12:57:57 -0700 Received: from 212.97.245.62 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 May 2001 19:57:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.97.245.62] From: "Munish Chopra" To: bright@wintelcom.net, dwcjr@inethouston.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The FreeBSD NVIDIA Driver Initiative Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 21:57:57 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2001 19:57:57.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8AB3100:01C0D666] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > >* David W. Chapman Jr. [010506 11:52] wrote: > > I think you're a little late, check out > > http://www.sourceforge.net/projects/fbsd-nvdriver/ > > > > I'd hate to see the two teams work alone and make two separate drivers >than > > together and one better driver. > >I wouldn't say "late", this team seems to have some backing by >NVIDIA. I think both groups should co-operate and sync on where >they are right now. > >-Alfred I guess I should explain a bit. There were (more or less) FOUR initial efforts: 1) Michael Carlson (the petition started in January). 2) Jeramy Lee / Deven Kampenhout (these guys started something after a long long thread on -stable I believe) 3) Me. I just looked around and couldn't find much, so I got started mailing people and figuring stuff out. 4) The fbsd-nvdriver guys (There are a few guys, but the only one I know by name is Erik Greenwald). Efforts 2, 3 and 4 were started at more or less the same time. I hooked up with Jeramy and Deven after a few days and we decided to work together. We got Michael to give us his petition and continue it another week later. As for who's backed by NVIDIA and who's not, both of us (and we are not really separate efforts, so please do consider us one...or one-and-a-half) are backed by NVIDIA to a certain extent. We have Nick Triantos' blessings (head driver guy at NVIDIA), and so does fbsd-nvdriver. I know Erik actually has been on the phone with Nick to sort out licensing issues, so we're all working hard to get drivers for FreeBSD. NVIDIA has been very helpful, and I'm sure the guys at fbsd-nvdriver agree. I hope that explains things. We're not trying to step on fbsd-nvdriver's feet - we're just trying to make people aware that things are being done and maybe send the suits at NVIDIA a heads up (petition). By creating some awareness of how things are going, we want to avoid the issues that came up when NVIDIA wrote the Linux drivers (flame mails, misinterpretations of licensing, 3rd party code, etc.). Cheers, Munish _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 13: 6:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEAE37B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 13:06:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wUn1-0001Tk-00; Mon, 07 May 2001 08:05:59 +1200 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:05:59 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Bakul Shah Cc: Doug Russell , Matt Dillon , freebsd-stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <200105061848.OAA29301@glatton.cnchost.com> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, Bakul Shah wrote: > I have tested a Quantum Fireball CR8.4A disk in the default > I got the same result on a IBM-DHEA-36480. IDE drives... not SCSI. -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 13: 9:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7058737B422; Sun, 6 May 2001 13:09:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([64.228.153.241]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010506200925.EATJ16174.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:09:25 -0400 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f46K6oN34139; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:06:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <002101c0d667$b0a7b3d0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: Cc: , , Subject: Broken module loading and kernel dependencies Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:03:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After a couple of days working with some (frustrated) PPPoE users, I realized that dynamic module loading was broken and was forcing PPPoE users to statically compile all required netgraph modules into their kernel before PPPoE would work properly. This doesn't just affect netgraph users (although this is what brought it to my attention.) Some people have reported that if they have modules statically compiled into the kernel, and then try and kldload them later on (perhaps in rc scripts), error messages are produced although a subsequent kldstat shows the module loaded twice (once as part of kernel, and once as a KLD). I'm not sure how this affects the stability of the system from that point on, but it is cause for concern. From user reports, this is known to affect 4.2-REL, 4.3-RCx and 4.3-REL. I took a look through a whole bunch of kernel code (hoping to do a MFC on my own -STABLE machines), but it looks like the fix for this will involve much of the code to be updated to revs that include "First round implementation of a fine grain enhanced module to module version dependency system.", committed by peter. Sources that need to be updated include: sys/kern/kern_linker.c (v 1.52) sys/kern/kern_module.c (v 1.22) sys/kern/link_elf.c (v 1.27) sys/kern/link_aout.c (v 1.28) sys/kern/linker_if.m (v 1.2) sys/sys/linker.h (v 1.19) sys/sys/module.h (v 1.15) Is there anyone out there that can help in getting the appropriate bits MFC'd, or even shed a bit more light on how this stuff got broken? Even though there is a way around this problem, it still should be fixed ASAP. Thanks, -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 13:49:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail1.rdc1.on.home.com (femail1.rdc1.on.home.com [24.2.9.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB1937B422; Sun, 6 May 2001 13:49:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pnmurphy1@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.150.36.162]) by femail1.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010506204749.JAPB20469.femail1.rdc1.on.home.com@home.com>; Sun, 6 May 2001 13:47:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF5B8C2.9020306@home.com> Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 16:49:06 -0400 From: Paul Murphy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010425 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jacol@ids.gda.pl Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, pnmurphy1@home.com Subject: Re: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load References: <3AF5A2D9.22DCE7BA@ids.gda.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jacek Jêdrzejczak wrote: > > mlx0: DAC96PL, 2 channels, firmware 2.73-0-00, 4MB > mlxd0: on mlx0 > mlxd0: 20335MB (41646080 sectors) RAID 5 (online) > > No matter which installation process i choose (floppies - kern.flp & > mfsroot.flp or bootable cd) i always get this error message: > > > bus_dmamap_load: Too many segs! buf_len = 0xaa0 > mlx0: I/O error - attempt to write beyond end of drive > I have the exact same machine with the exact same problem! I sure would like to know the answer too. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 13:50:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F064937B423; Sun, 6 May 2001 13:50:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3979D10F40F; Sun, 6 May 2001 15:50:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003701c0d66e$32ee5280$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Matthew Emmerton" , Cc: , , References: <002101c0d667$b0a7b3d0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Subject: Re: Broken module loading and kernel dependencies Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:50:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I did not have to statically compile pppoe support in the kernel. Here are the modules I loaded ng_pppoe ng_ppp ng_socket ng_ether netgraph it all seemed to work good. I did have another problem though with conflicting modules if_dc and if_rl the 2 nics I had in the machine were kingston and a realtek 8139. I forget the model of the kingston, but I can get that. If I did kldload if_rl it would pick up the kingston but not the realtek, if I loaded if_dc it would pick up the kingston and then I would try to load if_rl and it would tell me its already loaded and wouldn't pick up the realtek, but I could not get both nic's to work until I compiled them into the kernel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 14:43:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nero.transactionsite.com (nero.transactionsite.com [203.14.245.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3154A37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:43:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from janm@transactionware.com) Received: (qmail 57363 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 21:38:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haym) (192.168.1.9) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 6 May 2001 21:38:35 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c0d675$2b269380$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> From: "Jan Mikkelsen" To: "Charlie Watts" Cc: "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: soft update should be default Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:40:27 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Charlie Watts wrote: >On Sun, 6 May 2001, Jan Mikkelsen wrote: >> Good write speed is possible without using write cache by using tagged >> command queueing. Have you measured tagged command queueing vs. write cache >> for write speed on your SCSI drives? I get about the same (~23MB/sec) on an >> IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With neither >> option, it is terrible, of course. > >I see the same behaviour on one of those disks, too. But - aren't IBM's >DTLA-series disks the only IDE drives that support TCQ? No, there's also another IBM series. :-) (Deskstar 60GXP; I can't remember the model numbers). Jan Mikkelsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 14:59:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nero.transactionsite.com (nero.transactionsite.com [203.14.245.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BFA6E37B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from janm@transactionware.com) Received: (qmail 57384 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 21:53:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haym) (192.168.1.9) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 6 May 2001 21:53:54 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c0d677$4e67c650$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> From: "Jan Mikkelsen" To: "Doug Russell" , "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: soft update should be default Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:55:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug Russell wrote: >Consider block X, which the OS is waiting to write. Block X is then >modified again. If block X were written to the drive right away, WCE or >not, we still have to send that block all the way to the disk, then write >it again. If the first block X was still dirty in the cache when the >second write came, hopefully the drive is smart enough just to update what >should be written to block X (if WCE is enabled), but not necessarily. On >the other hand, if the OS only writes block X out once, because it knew it >had changed before it decided it should be written to disk (hopefully >because it was passing by anyway). Well, there is the issue of whether the host thinks the write is complete or not. If the host is writing a block, and it doesn't believe that the operation is complete, will it issue another write? I don't expect so, because of the potential for the drive to reorder the writes. TCQ in effect ensures that the writes are serialised on the disk. >IDE disks will show a larger performance boost with WCE because they >usually can't write a continuous stream of data to the disk without >wasting at least part of a rotation due to the small maximum transfer >sizes and huge cylinders. They attempt to interleave these drives >correctly, but with such a huge variety of possible applications these >days, I have a feeling it doesn't really work very well. > >I'd still argue that your data is basically just as unsafe all the time on >one of these drives, when not battery backed, regardless of whether >softupdates is enabled. The real issue is notification of a completed write. With WCE, the host doesn't get notification that the write has been completed to the physical disk; it only knows when the data has been received by the drive. With tagged command queueing, the data goes to the same buffer and is written to disk. The difference is that the host gets told when the write is complete. This allows faster write performance by giving the drive more data to work with, so avoiding rotational latency issues. This also should make the data just as safe as no TCQ and no WCE. This is why I asked the question about the softupdates disk protocol. My understanding is that some writes must be ordered (ie: one must complete before the next one is issued for a given "transaction"). If this is the case, for that transaction only, tagged command queueing doesn't help. However, if there are multiple concurrent transactions, there can be multiple outstanding writes to the drive, and the drive can notify the host as they complete. I guess I should go and read the papers/source to see what is really going on. Jan Mikkelsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 15: 6:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nero.transactionsite.com (nero.transactionsite.com [203.14.245.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 233D837B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 15:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from janm@transactionware.com) Received: (qmail 57401 invoked from network); 6 May 2001 22:01:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO haym) (192.168.1.9) by 192.168.1.6 with SMTP; 6 May 2001 22:01:00 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c0d678$4c2c11b0$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> From: "Jan Mikkelsen" To: "Jan Conrad" Cc: "Doug Russell" , "Matt Dillon" , "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: Tagged Queueing and ATA driver (was soft update should be default) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:02:51 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jan Conrad wrote: >Well, if I read the sources correctly, enabling tagged queueuing in the >ata driver *IMPLIES* write caching!!! > >So it's pretty clear why tagged queueing is as good as write cacheing (or >as bad :-) > [...] >What I really do not understand here - maybe it's trivial, as I am not an >expert here - is why does tags imply wc for ATA but not for SCSI? > >The SCSI driver says 'Tagged Queueing Enabled' even on my SCSI disk (IBM >DDYS-T18350N) where WCE is off! Interesting. The real issue is when the notification of a completed write arrives. For the drive to have multiple outstanding writes, it must have a buffer to store the data (the "write cache"). If it tells the host that the write is completed when it actually is completely written to disk, rather than when it hits the buffer in the drive, I don't mind using the write cache memory. The real question is this: Does TCQ notify completion once the write is on the disk, or once the data is in the write cache? The second one doesn't make much sense to me, as I don't see where the win would be over plain write caching. Jan Mikkelsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 15:19:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts14.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E35037B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 15:19:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([64.228.153.241]) by tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010506221931.IFQH28559.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Sun, 6 May 2001 18:19:31 -0400 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f46MGtN34403; Sun, 6 May 2001 18:16:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <001701c0d679$de3b77c0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , References: <002101c0d667$b0a7b3d0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <003701c0d66e$32ee5280$931576d8@inethouston.net> Subject: Re: Broken module loading and kernel dependencies Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:14:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I did not have to statically compile pppoe support in the kernel. Here are > the modules I loaded > > ng_pppoe > ng_ppp > ng_socket > ng_ether > netgraph > > it all seemed to work good. Did you kldload all of these from the command prompt? The problem seems to crop up when one (or more) modules which are dependancies for others are loaded statically in the kernel, and the others are loaded dynamically. The dynamic loader doesn't see that the module is already present, and tries to load it again. (For PPPoE, the problem manifests when you only have 'options netgraph' in your kernel. This forces ppp to try and load the other ng_* modules dynamically and things fall apart.) > If I did kldload if_rl it would pick up the kingston but not the realtek, if > I loaded if_dc it would pick up the kingston and then I would try to load > if_rl and it would tell me its already loaded and wouldn't pick up the > realtek, but I could not get both nic's to work until I compiled them into > the kernel. I imagine this is because of 'device miibus', a dependency of both. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 15:24:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6274137B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 15:24:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4A3510F40F; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:24:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003501c0d67b$4c86d480$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Matthew Emmerton" , References: <002101c0d667$b0a7b3d0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <003701c0d66e$32ee5280$931576d8@inethouston.net> <001701c0d679$de3b77c0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> Subject: Re: Broken module loading and kernel dependencies Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 17:24:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > loaded statically in the kernel, and the others are loaded dynamically. The > dynamic loader doesn't see that the module is already present, and tries to > load it again. (For PPPoE, the problem manifests when you only have > 'options netgraph' in your kernel. This forces ppp to try and load the > other ng_* modules dynamically and things fall apart.) Ah, that's why it worked for me, I didn't have anything in my kernel > > > If I did kldload if_rl it would pick up the kingston but not the realtek, > if > > I loaded if_dc it would pick up the kingston and then I would try to load > > if_rl and it would tell me its already loaded and wouldn't pick up the > > realtek, but I could not get both nic's to work until I compiled them into > > the kernel. > > I imagine this is because of 'device miibus', a dependency of both. but isn't that the point of the kld miibus.ko? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 16:30:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57AF37B424 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:30:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4294D10F40F for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 18:31:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00fa01c0d684$9b251620$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "stable" Subject: Weird top stats Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:30:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When I run top I'm getting like 95-99 percent idle, even when processes like samba are taking up 25% of the cpu, any ideas about this? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 16:53:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C1337B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@uniserve.com) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 14wYLM-000NZh-00; Sun, 06 May 2001 16:53:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:53:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: stable Subject: Re: Weird top stats In-Reply-To: <00fa01c0d684$9b251620$931576d8@inethouston.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > When I run top I'm getting like 95-99 percent idle, even when processes like > samba are taking up 25% of the cpu, any ideas about this? WCPU? This is weighted CPU percentage. That means among the processes that are using CPU, samba is using 25%. You should probably read the top manpage. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 16:54:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from earth.backplane.com (earth-nat-cw.backplane.com [208.161.114.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C1937B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:54:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon@earth.backplane.com) Received: (from dillon@localhost) by earth.backplane.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f46NsTs55932; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dillon) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 16:54:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Dillon Message-Id: <200105062354.f46NsTs55932@earth.backplane.com> To: "Jan Mikkelsen" Cc: "Jan Conrad" , "Doug Russell" , "freebsd-stable" Subject: Re: Tagged Queueing and ATA driver (was soft update should be default) References: <004f01c0d678$4c2c11b0$0901a8c0@haym.transactionsite.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gee, maybe in another few years IDE will have implement the *entire* SCSI command set! Now wouldn't that be progress! Not! You will never see me turn on tagged queueing for IDE. If performance is an issue, SCSI is the solution. I want my data cooked over-easy thank you very much, not scrambled! -Matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 16:56: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8458E37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 16:56:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 403C510F40F; Sun, 6 May 2001 18:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001701c0d688$1d05f580$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Tom" Cc: "stable" References: Subject: Re: Weird top stats Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:56:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I said "CPU" not "WCPU", I am aware of the difference. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: "stable" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Weird top stats > > On Sun, 6 May 2001, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > > > When I run top I'm getting like 95-99 percent idle, even when processes like > > samba are taking up 25% of the cpu, any ideas about this? > > WCPU? This is weighted CPU percentage. That means among the processes > that are using CPU, samba is using 25%. > > You should probably read the top manpage. > > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 17: 1:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from arg1.demon.co.uk (arg1.demon.co.uk [194.222.34.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FECA37B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arg@arg1.demon.co.uk) Received: by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 300) id 828779B12; Mon, 7 May 2001 01:01:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arg1.demon.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A7B65D1C; Mon, 7 May 2001 01:01:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 01:01:26 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Gordon X-X-Sender: To: Alessandro de Manzano Cc: Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... In-Reply-To: <20010506101336.A3226@libero.sunshine.ale> Message-ID: <20010507004234.D76269-100000@server.arg.sj.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, Alessandro de Manzano wrote: > you mean you have this device : > > libero:(root)/root# cat /dev/sndstat > FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) May 1 2001 14:11:58 > Installed devices: > pcm0: at io 0xcc00 irq 5 (1p/1r channels duplex) > > and > > libero:(root)/root# dmesg | grep pcm > pcm0: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff > irq 5 at device 7.5 on pci0 > > (FreeBSD 4.3-stable of May, 1st) > > and works correctly ? It all depends what you mean by "correctly". And the above message is not enough to identify your sound hardware: the VIA 82C686 is effectively just a DMA engine, and the features you get depend on the AC97 chip attached to it. In particular, some motherboards only support a very limited range of sampling rates: I have one 82C686 motherboard here that supports only 48000Hz (and I have others that support multiple rates). These machines often come with Windows drivers that mimic the behaviour of a 'real' soundcard - ie. they use software to convert the sample rate of the input to the sample rate supported by the hardware. The FreeBSD driver just gives an error if you try to select a speed not supported by the hardware. This doesn't stop you using other software to solve the problem - for example "sox" (ports/audio/sox) will do sample rate interpolation. > I ask you because mine is not! :( > > If I try playing, example, a MP3 file with AMP 0.7.6 (it's in the > ports) I only got errors "Unable to seq frequenct : 44100" > > The same with other MP3 players :( Did you try mp3blaster? Last time I tried it, it ignored the error from the driver and just played the MP3 at the wrong speed. This isn't actually useful, but at least confirms the hardware is basically working. > I tought such "AC'97" pseudo-audio devices were not (yet?) fully > supported, but if your is working maybe I'm wrong ;) "AC97" is not a full description of your hardware's capabilities. Unfortunately, motherboard/soundcard manuals almost always contain only marketing buzzwords and no useful information whatever. Buying a soundcard is a game of chance. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 17:21:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (gilmore.nas.nasa.gov [129.99.32.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3037537B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:21:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@nas.nasa.gov) Received: from gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (IDENT:ryctCiIPgA2+oKA8RZPyQ8NM1wB/3QAK@localhost.nas.nasa.gov [127.0.0.1]) by gilmore.nas.nasa.gov (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f470KH049120; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:20:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tweten@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov) Message-Id: <200105070020.f470KH049120@gilmore.nas.nasa.gov> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Doug Russell Cc: Kevin Oberman , stable Subject: Re: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: Message from Doug Russell of "Sat, 05 May 2001 18:33:38 MDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:20:16 -0700 From: Dave Tweten Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG drussell@saturn-tech.com said: >WCE very dangerous. WCE very dangerous. WCE very dangerous. True, but since the new ATA driver was installed in STABLE about February 25, WCE has also become mandatory for my NEC Versa 6050 MX laptop. If I don't set hw.ata.wc=1, kernel buffers become corrupted. Perhaps the previous driver was silently setting write caching too, but things just don't feel as secure anymore. -- M/S 258-5 | 1024-bit PGP fingerprint: | tweten@nas.nasa.gov NASA Ames Research Center | 41 B0 89 0A 8F 94 6C 59 | (650) 604-4416 Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 | 7C 80 10 20 25 C7 2F E6 | FAX: (650) 604-4377 We each earn what freedom of speech we defend for those who most offend us. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 17:49:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts8.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEC937B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 17:49:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from xena.gsicomp.on.ca ([64.228.153.241]) by tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010507004923.FCRX15234.tomts8-srv.bellnexxia.net@xena.gsicomp.on.ca>; Sun, 6 May 2001 20:49:23 -0400 Received: from hermes (hermes.gsicomp.on.ca [192.168.0.18]) by xena.gsicomp.on.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f470kmN34728; Sun, 6 May 2001 20:46:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <001c01c0d68e$cf17d6c0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matthew Emmerton" To: "David W. Chapman Jr." , References: <002101c0d667$b0a7b3d0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <003701c0d66e$32ee5280$931576d8@inethouston.net> <001701c0d679$de3b77c0$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <003501c0d67b$4c86d480$931576d8@inethouston.net> Subject: Re: Broken module loading and kernel dependencies Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 20:44:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > If I did kldload if_rl it would pick up the kingston but not the > > realtek, if I loaded if_dc it would pick up the kingston and > > then I would try to load if_rl and it would tell me its already > > loaded and wouldn't pick up the realtek, but I could not get > > both nic's to work until I compiled them into the kernel. > > > > I imagine this is because of 'device miibus', a dependency of both. > > but isn't that the point of the kld miibus.ko? Yes, but as you can see, it's broken. In your case, the second driver load doesn't notice that the miibus module is already loaded, tries to load it, and it conflicts with the one that's already there. -- Matt Emmerton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 18:11:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.frontier.net (frontier.net [199.45.141.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB6B37B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 18:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cewatts@frontier.net) Received: from eggplant.frontier.net (cewatts.static.frontier.net [199.45.201.52]) by mail.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C7D3EE824; Sun, 6 May 2001 19:11:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:14:21 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) From: Charlie Watts To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re[2]: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <139857383021.20010506141709@buz.ch> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: cewatts@newmail.frontier.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hello Charlie, > > Sunday, May 06, 2001, 1:53:20 AM, you wrote: > > I see the same behaviour on one of those disks, too. But - aren't IBM's > > DTLA-series disks the only IDE drives that support TCQ? > > [ It's a -very- SCSI-feeling feature, in my mind. ] > > It was about time this was implemented in IDE disk as this takes them > nearer to the ridiculously overpriced SCSI stuff. While I've always > been a lover of IBM drives, this feature is really cool. > > Is it on by default if you use DTLA disks or do I need to activate it > specifically, BTW? In /boot/loader.conf: hw.ata.tags="1" I have several other random stupid IDE drives in this machine, too, and don't notice any adverse behaviour. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 18:14:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.frontier.net (frontier.net [199.45.141.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A25337B423 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 18:14:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cewatts@frontier.net) Received: from eggplant.frontier.net (cewatts.static.frontier.net [199.45.201.52]) by mail.frontier.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F28AE3EE87A; Sun, 6 May 2001 19:14:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 19:17:24 -0600 (Mountain Daylight Time) From: Charlie Watts To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: freebsd-stable Subject: Re[2]: soft update should be default In-Reply-To: <139857383021.20010506141709@buz.ch> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: cewatts@newmail.frontier.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 6 May 2001, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hello Charlie, > > Sunday, May 06, 2001, 1:53:20 AM, you wrote: > >> IBM DLTA-307030 Ultra ATA drive (tags/no WC vs. no tags/WC). With > neither > >> option, it is terrible, of course. > > I see the same behaviour on one of those disks, too. But - aren't > IBM's > > DTLA-series disks the only IDE drives that support TCQ? > > [ It's a -very- SCSI-feeling feature, in my mind. ] > > > It was about time this was implemented in IDE disk as this takes them > nearer to the ridiculously overpriced SCSI stuff. While I've always > been a lover of IBM drives, this feature is really cool. > > Is it on by default if you use DTLA disks or do I need to activate it > specifically, BTW? Of course, I should read all of my E-mail before responding. From other messages on freebsd-stable today: TCQ also turns on a -form- of write caching, it may not be quite the same as normal, but it still does, and should probably be considered not-totally safe. Bah. Sorry. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 21:51:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0892837B422; Sun, 6 May 2001 21:51:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pekkas@netcore.fi) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f474pf223640; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:51:41 +0300 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:51:41 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Cc: Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 5 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: Ok. This was caused by the dummynet rule, either directly or indirectly. The symptoms: 1) 'No buffer space available' 2) hard crashes: does not respond to ping, closole goes blank, ethernet link led in the switch goes off etc (about 3-4 times in 48h) 3) soft crashes: responds to ping, traceroute, tcp establishment ok, but the userland is dead (2 times in 48h) The first rule was: --- $fwcmd pipe 1 config delay 0 plr 0 bw 20000Kbit/s queue 100 $fwcmd add pipe 1 ip from any to any --- In addition, net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 and 50-500 ipfw rules (assigned using external signals). I recompiled the kernel with 100% same options, only leaving dummynet out. Everything wortked like a charm. Other things had also been tried, like removing SMP support, no luck. The traffic being shaped to 20Mbit/s ranged from 25-35 Mbit/s (steady), mostly outgoing. Has dummynet been tested in this kind of heavy environment? Is there a better value for 'queue', e.g. 1000Kbytes in this scenario? Regards, Pekka Savola > Running on 4.3-S on Dual P3/866 (self-compiled for SMP, dummynet etc.): > > [root@xxx /root] # snmpwalk xxx yyy > snmpwalk: Failure in sendto (No buffer space available) > > [root@xxx /root] # netstat -m > 8012/8576/65536 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > 6581 mbufs allocated to data > 1431 mbufs allocated to packet headers > 6300/6682/16384 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > 15508 Kbytes allocated to network (31% of mb_map in use) > 0 requests for memory denied > 0 requests for memory delayed > 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > [root@xxx /root] # sysctl kern | grep files > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > kern.openfiles: 2709 > > --- > last pid: 84147; load averages: 0.52, 0.66, 0.61 up 0+01:38:21 13:12:34 > 713 processes: 12 running, 688 sleeping, 13 stopped > CPU states: 14.1% user, 0.0% nice, 20.7% system, 4.0% interrupt, 61.3% idle > Mem: 516M Active, 316M Inact, 134M Wired, 37M Cache, 112M Buf, 1664K Free > Swap: 1024M Total, 92K Used, 1024M Free > --- > > Pushing through 20 Mbit/s steady as we speak. > > This seems to have been mentioned in the beginning of April with no clear > resolution. > > A few kernel options mentioned in the posts: > --- > cpu I686_CPU > maxusers 512 > options NMBCLUSTERS=16384 > options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel > options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O > --- > This is a system with 1 GB of RAM. Network card is: > > fxp0: port 0xccc0-0xccff mem > 0xf9000000-0xf90fffff,0xf9100000-0xf9100fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci1 > > > What's wrong? There definitely should be enough buffers. > > Also: userspace froze earlier today for some odd reason; ping and > traceroute responded, ipfw worked, tcp connection could be established but > the daemon listening to the port never replied. Nothing in the log or the > console. Ideas? > > Please Cc:. > > -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 23:28:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3034F37B423; Sun, 6 May 2001 23:28:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA93694; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:25:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200105070625.IAA93694@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] In-Reply-To: from Pekka Savola at "May 7, 2001 07:51:41 am" To: Pekka Savola Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 08:25:41 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, luigi@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Sat, 5 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: > > Ok. This was caused by the dummynet rule, either directly or indirectly. > > The symptoms: > 1) 'No buffer space available' > 2) hard crashes: does not respond to ping, closole goes blank, ethernet > link led in the switch goes off etc (about 3-4 times in 48h) > 3) soft crashes: responds to ping, traceroute, tcp establishment ok, but > the userland is dead (2 times in 48h) > > The first rule was: > --- > $fwcmd pipe 1 config delay 0 plr 0 bw 20000Kbit/s queue 100 > $fwcmd add pipe 1 ip from any to any > --- > In addition, net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 and 50-500 ipfw rules (assigned > using external signals). dummynet consumes 1 mbuf/cluster per queue entry, so if you only have one pipe as above that should not be a major problem. I can only think of some leak, e.g. caused by mishandling of ipfw reconfigurations, but have no specific example in mind -- in any case, if the problem is there, you should see the number of mbufs in use go up with time. I have a comment on your configuration though -- it sounds kind of strange to have a single pipe limiting everyghing (in and out) upfront, and then do the actual filtering afterwards. It would be much more efficient to do the filtering first, and replace all "accept" rules with a "skipto 60000" where at rule 60000 you have the pipe limiting outgoing traffic (and maybe a different one for limiting input traffic). This way you would also not need the net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 setting. Also, the 50-500 rules sound strange, wouldn't you be able to replace a fair amount of them with dynamic (aka stateful) rules ? cheers luigi > I recompiled the kernel with 100% same options, only leaving dummynet out. > Everything wortked like a charm. Other things had also been tried, like > removing SMP support, no luck. > > The traffic being shaped to 20Mbit/s ranged from 25-35 Mbit/s (steady), > mostly outgoing. > > Has dummynet been tested in this kind of heavy environment? > > Is there a better value for 'queue', e.g. 1000Kbytes in this scenario? > > Regards, > Pekka Savola > > > Running on 4.3-S on Dual P3/866 (self-compiled for SMP, dummynet etc.): > > > > [root@xxx /root] # snmpwalk xxx yyy > > snmpwalk: Failure in sendto (No buffer space available) > > > > [root@xxx /root] # netstat -m > > 8012/8576/65536 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > > 6581 mbufs allocated to data > > 1431 mbufs allocated to packet headers > > 6300/6682/16384 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > > 15508 Kbytes allocated to network (31% of mb_map in use) > > 0 requests for memory denied > > 0 requests for memory delayed > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > > > [root@xxx /root] # sysctl kern | grep files > > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > > kern.openfiles: 2709 > > > > --- > > last pid: 84147; load averages: 0.52, 0.66, 0.61 up 0+01:38:21 13:12:34 > > 713 processes: 12 running, 688 sleeping, 13 stopped > > CPU states: 14.1% user, 0.0% nice, 20.7% system, 4.0% interrupt, 61.3% idle > > Mem: 516M Active, 316M Inact, 134M Wired, 37M Cache, 112M Buf, 1664K Free > > Swap: 1024M Total, 92K Used, 1024M Free > > --- > > > > Pushing through 20 Mbit/s steady as we speak. > > > > This seems to have been mentioned in the beginning of April with no clear > > resolution. > > > > A few kernel options mentioned in the posts: > > --- > > cpu I686_CPU > > maxusers 512 > > options NMBCLUSTERS=16384 > > options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel > > options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O > > --- > > This is a system with 1 GB of RAM. Network card is: > > > > fxp0: port 0xccc0-0xccff mem > > 0xf9000000-0xf90fffff,0xf9100000-0xf9100fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci1 > > > > > > What's wrong? There definitely should be enough buffers. > > > > Also: userspace froze earlier today for some odd reason; ping and > > traceroute responded, ipfw worked, tcp connection could be established but > > the daemon listening to the port never replied. Nothing in the log or the > > console. Ideas? > > > > Please Cc:. > > > > > > -- > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 23:41:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net [129.250.36.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0696137B422 for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 23:41:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manek@ghur.net) Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp id 14wei7-0002Mi-00 for FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 May 2001 06:41:35 +0000 Received: from [63.180.20.35] (helo=rover) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with asmtp (110210324) id 14wei6-00051C-00 for FreeBSD-stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 07 May 2001 06:41:35 +0000 From: "Sameer R. Manek" To: Subject: 4.3 Support for NetGear MA401 Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 23:41:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Does anyone know if there is planned support for the Netgear MA401? It's Netgear's wireless (802.11b) pcmcia card. I didn't see anything mentioned in either the LINT file nor did egrep -i 'netgear|ma401' /usr/src/sys/pci/* if_ti.c: * - Raymond Lee of Netgear, for providing a pair of Netgear if_ti.c: "Netgear GA620 1000baseSX Gigabit Ethernet" }, if_ti.c: "Netgear GA620 1000baseT Gigabit Ethernet" }, if_tireg.h: * Netgear GA620 PCI vendor/device ID. Find anything useful Thanks Sameer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sun May 6 23:42:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E8637B42C for ; Sun, 6 May 2001 23:42:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pekkas@netcore.fi) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f476feR24164; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:41:41 +0300 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:41:40 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Luigi Rizzo Cc: Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] In-Reply-To: <200105070625.IAA93694@info.iet.unipi.it> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Luigi Rizzo wrote: > > On Sat, 5 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: > > > > Ok. This was caused by the dummynet rule, either directly or indirectly. > > > > The symptoms: > > 1) 'No buffer space available' > > 2) hard crashes: does not respond to ping, closole goes blank, ethernet > > link led in the switch goes off etc (about 3-4 times in 48h) > > 3) soft crashes: responds to ping, traceroute, tcp establishment ok, but > > the userland is dead (2 times in 48h) > > > > The first rule was: > > --- > > $fwcmd pipe 1 config delay 0 plr 0 bw 20000Kbit/s queue 100 > > $fwcmd add pipe 1 ip from any to any > > --- > > In addition, net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 and 50-500 ipfw rules (assigned > > using external signals). > > dummynet consumes 1 mbuf/cluster per queue entry, so if you only > have one pipe as above that should not be a major problem. > I can only think of some leak, e.g. caused by mishandling of > ipfw reconfigurations, but have no specific example in mind -- > in any case, if the problem is there, you should see the > number of mbufs in use go up with time. This should be no problem, I think -- netstat -m does not show significant increase in mbuf usage; both mbuf and mbuf cluster peaks are well below the average (see the original message). Of course, there _could_ be a surge just before the crash for some odd reason. If I re-enable dummynet, I'll put in a cron job to monitor this along with 'ipfw -ta l' and 'ipfw pipe list'. Any other issues to look for? I had also tried disabling the ""dynamic"" ipfw rule creation; it did not help for the crashing. > I have a comment on your configuration though -- it sounds kind of strange > to have a single pipe limiting everyghing (in and out) upfront, > and then do the actual filtering afterwards. > > It would be much more efficient to do the filtering first, > and replace all "accept" rules with a "skipto 60000" where at > rule 60000 you have the pipe limiting outgoing traffic (and > maybe a different one for limiting input traffic). > This way you would also not need the net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 > setting. Are there significant advantages to this? Only makes this more complex IMO. Worth a test anyway, if all else fails, I suppose. Why dummynet is used here, is because we've been "strongly encouraged" to use only 20Mbit/s max; it has no other traffic shaping functionality here. > Also, the 50-500 rules sound strange, wouldn't you be able to > replace a fair amount of them with dynamic (aka stateful) rules ? No; perhaps I didn't state this clearly. These are not "keep-state" kind of rules; more of "automatic IDS control" kind of rules. Regards, Pekka Savola > > I recompiled the kernel with 100% same options, only leaving dummynet out. > > Everything wortked like a charm. Other things had also been tried, like > > removing SMP support, no luck. > > > > The traffic being shaped to 20Mbit/s ranged from 25-35 Mbit/s (steady), > > mostly outgoing. > > > > Has dummynet been tested in this kind of heavy environment? > > > > Is there a better value for 'queue', e.g. 1000Kbytes in this scenario? > > > > Regards, > > Pekka Savola > > > > > Running on 4.3-S on Dual P3/866 (self-compiled for SMP, dummynet etc.): > > > > > > [root@xxx /root] # snmpwalk xxx yyy > > > snmpwalk: Failure in sendto (No buffer space available) > > > > > > [root@xxx /root] # netstat -m > > > 8012/8576/65536 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > > > 6581 mbufs allocated to data > > > 1431 mbufs allocated to packet headers > > > 6300/6682/16384 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > > > 15508 Kbytes allocated to network (31% of mb_map in use) > > > 0 requests for memory denied > > > 0 requests for memory delayed > > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > > > > > [root@xxx /root] # sysctl kern | grep files > > > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > > > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > > > kern.openfiles: 2709 > > > > > > --- > > > last pid: 84147; load averages: 0.52, 0.66, 0.61 up 0+01:38:21 13:12:34 > > > 713 processes: 12 running, 688 sleeping, 13 stopped > > > CPU states: 14.1% user, 0.0% nice, 20.7% system, 4.0% interrupt, 61.3% idle > > > Mem: 516M Active, 316M Inact, 134M Wired, 37M Cache, 112M Buf, 1664K Free > > > Swap: 1024M Total, 92K Used, 1024M Free > > > --- > > > > > > Pushing through 20 Mbit/s steady as we speak. > > > > > > This seems to have been mentioned in the beginning of April with no clear > > > resolution. > > > > > > A few kernel options mentioned in the posts: > > > --- > > > cpu I686_CPU > > > maxusers 512 > > > options NMBCLUSTERS=16384 > > > options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel > > > options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O > > > --- > > > This is a system with 1 GB of RAM. Network card is: > > > > > > fxp0: port 0xccc0-0xccff mem > > > 0xf9000000-0xf90fffff,0xf9100000-0xf9100fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci1 > > > > > > > > > What's wrong? There definitely should be enough buffers. > > > > > > Also: userspace froze earlier today for some odd reason; ping and > > > traceroute responded, ipfw worked, tcp connection could be established but > > > the daemon listening to the port never replied. Nothing in the log or the > > > console. Ideas? > > > > > > Please Cc:. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords > > > > > > > -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 0: 3:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from solfertje.student.utwente.nl (wit401310.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ED1A37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 00:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dalroi@wit401310.student.utwente.nl) Received: from solfertje.student.utwente.nl (localhost.student.utwente.nl [127.0.0.1]) by solfertje.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6882D1FBC; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:07:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:07:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Alban Hertroys Subject: Re: XFree 4.0.3 + Radeon QD Crashes 4.3-STABLE To: Chris BeHanna Cc: stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20010507070722.6882D1FBC@solfertje.student.utwente.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 6 May, Chris BeHanna wrote: > I have the following configuration: Same here, though on an ASUS A7M266 board (AMD761 northbridge, VIA 686B south) and with a 1.2 GHz Athlon. Many people on various OS's suffer from this. In my case it helped putting the option "NoAccel" in /etc/X11/XF86Config, but I've already read about people who still have the problem without acceleration. The problem is reported to the XFree86 bugtracker and standing since January or so... > Gigabyte GA-7DX mb (onboard ATA-100 and Creative sound) > 256MB ECC PC2100 (Crucial) > 1.33 Ghz Athlon Thunderbird > ATI Radeon QD (64MB DDR VIVO) > Adaptec 3950U2B > HP CDWriter Plus 9120 > Hitachi GD-2000 DVD-ROM > Western Digital 45GB IDE drive > TEAC floppy drive > > Whenever I try to start the X server, I crash the whole machine. No > traceback, no savecore, no crashdump, nothing. The machine just goes > away. > > I am booted into Win2K at the moment, so I cannot get to my kernel > config or my dmesg output. I will post those later. Meanwhile, has > anyone else run into this? Is there a workaround or a fix? > > Thanks, -- Alban Hertroys http://solfertje.student.utwente.nl - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CORBA, A poisonous snake that bites. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 0:25:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from info.iet.unipi.it (info.iet.unipi.it [131.114.9.184]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760FD37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 00:25:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from luigi@info.iet.unipi.it) Received: (from luigi@localhost) by info.iet.unipi.it (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA94039; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:22:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from luigi) From: Luigi Rizzo Message-Id: <200105070722.JAA94039@info.iet.unipi.it> Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] In-Reply-To: from Pekka Savola at "May 7, 2001 09:41:40 am" To: Pekka Savola Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:22:49 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > It would be much more efficient to do the filtering first, > > and replace all "accept" rules with a "skipto 60000" where at > > rule 60000 you have the pipe limiting outgoing traffic (and > > maybe a different one for limiting input traffic). > > This way you would also not need the net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass=0 > > setting. > > Are there significant advantages to this? Only makes this more complex > IMO. Worth a test anyway, if all else fails, I suppose. it is not more complex (it is a global sostitution in the script setting the rules), and avoids having to run through ipfw twice so you gain a little bit in terms of performance. > Why dummynet is used here, is because we've been "strongly encouraged" to > use only 20Mbit/s max; it has no other traffic shaping functionality > here. > > > Also, the 50-500 rules sound strange, wouldn't you be able to > > replace a fair amount of them with dynamic (aka stateful) rules ? > > No; perhaps I didn't state this clearly. These are not "keep-state" kind > of rules; more of "automatic IDS control" kind of rules. i realised that. Still if these rules all look similar you could have some serious performance gain by trying to implement them using keep-state rules (the latter are looked up using a hash table instead of scanning through the list, which seems to be long in your case). cheers luigi > Regards, > Pekka Savola > > > > I recompiled the kernel with 100% same options, only leaving dummynet out. > > > Everything wortked like a charm. Other things had also been tried, like > > > removing SMP support, no luck. > > > > > > The traffic being shaped to 20Mbit/s ranged from 25-35 Mbit/s (steady), > > > mostly outgoing. > > > > > > Has dummynet been tested in this kind of heavy environment? > > > > > > Is there a better value for 'queue', e.g. 1000Kbytes in this scenario? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Pekka Savola > > > > > > > Running on 4.3-S on Dual P3/866 (self-compiled for SMP, dummynet etc.): > > > > > > > > [root@xxx /root] # snmpwalk xxx yyy > > > > snmpwalk: Failure in sendto (No buffer space available) > > > > > > > > [root@xxx /root] # netstat -m > > > > 8012/8576/65536 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): > > > > 6581 mbufs allocated to data > > > > 1431 mbufs allocated to packet headers > > > > 6300/6682/16384 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) > > > > 15508 Kbytes allocated to network (31% of mb_map in use) > > > > 0 requests for memory denied > > > > 0 requests for memory delayed > > > > 0 calls to protocol drain routines > > > > > > > > [root@xxx /root] # sysctl kern | grep files > > > > kern.maxfiles: 16424 > > > > kern.maxfilesperproc: 16424 > > > > kern.openfiles: 2709 > > > > > > > > --- > > > > last pid: 84147; load averages: 0.52, 0.66, 0.61 up 0+01:38:21 13:12:34 > > > > 713 processes: 12 running, 688 sleeping, 13 stopped > > > > CPU states: 14.1% user, 0.0% nice, 20.7% system, 4.0% interrupt, 61.3% idle > > > > Mem: 516M Active, 316M Inact, 134M Wired, 37M Cache, 112M Buf, 1664K Free > > > > Swap: 1024M Total, 92K Used, 1024M Free > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Pushing through 20 Mbit/s steady as we speak. > > > > > > > > This seems to have been mentioned in the beginning of April with no clear > > > > resolution. > > > > > > > > A few kernel options mentioned in the posts: > > > > --- > > > > cpu I686_CPU > > > > maxusers 512 > > > > options NMBCLUSTERS=16384 > > > > options SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel > > > > options APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O > > > > --- > > > > This is a system with 1 GB of RAM. Network card is: > > > > > > > > fxp0: port 0xccc0-0xccff mem > > > > 0xf9000000-0xf90fffff,0xf9100000-0xf9100fff irq 10 at device 8.0 on pci1 > > > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong? There definitely should be enough buffers. > > > > > > > > Also: userspace froze earlier today for some odd reason; ping and > > > > traceroute responded, ipfw worked, tcp connection could be established but > > > > the daemon listening to the port never replied. Nothing in the log or the > > > > console. Ideas? > > > > > > > > Please Cc:. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > > > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > > > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 2:43:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779EA37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 02:43:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Robert.Hellwig@Sun.COM) Received: from eastmail2.East.Sun.COM ([129.148.1.241]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26661; Mon, 7 May 2001 02:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from swanaba.east (swanaba.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.54]) by eastmail2.East.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id FAA15273; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Sun.COM (swantty.East.Sun.COM [129.148.162.52]) by swanaba.east (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id FAA17292; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AF66E4B.75F78BBA@Sun.COM> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:43:39 +0200 From: Robert Hellwig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Donn Miller , Rasputin , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, Well I tried to build it by hand…but got the same wired error as when trying to built from the ports. I put the hole thing on hold and installed the linux 13 jdk. But what I really don't understand is, why? Why do I get these strange errors. Downloading the wrong src is no option because the files are being checksum-ed…I'm still puzzled but thanks for your time and patience. --Robert Juha Saarinen wrote: > > :: So, which are you better off installing? jdk12-beta is a native > :: port, and > :: gives much faster performance. linux-jdk13 seems more sluggish, and > :: it lacks a JIT feature, AFAIK. OTOH, it has the newest Java features > :: compared to jdk 1.2.2. Does the jdk12-beta port have a JIT feature? Are > :: there enough features added in 1.3 to justify installing linux-jdk13 as > :: opposed to jdk12-beta? > > Well, hrrmm... in my case, I was just obeying the Java developers' orders, > and installed linux-jdk 1.3. We're running Resin (www.caucho.com) and JDK > 1.3 is supposed to offer better performance and so forth. No empirical > evidence of that though... Java and good performace are two concepts that > don't seem to go together for me. ;-) > > I had to make it use the "classic" VM though, which presumably shaves off > some performance. I could be wrong about this, but FreeBSD doesn't seem to > be the best platform currently to run Java on. Had a quick look through the > ports, and it seems that the available JITs only work with JDK 1.1.8? > > As for features etc. well, you could sift through the huge amount of > documents at Sun's Java site... > > -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 3:33:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500D737B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 03:33:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wiJv-0002JR-00; Mon, 07 May 2001 22:32:51 +1200 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 22:32:51 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Robert Hellwig Cc: Donn Miller , Rasputin , "stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Still having problems with the jdk12beta port In-Reply-To: <3AF66E4B.75F78BBA@Sun.COM> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Robert Hellwig wrote: > Well I tried to build it by hand=85but got the same wired error as when > trying to built from the ports. Sorry, I missed that. Which "wired error" was that? --=20 Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 5:46:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E96B37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f47CkOc23077; Mon, 7 May 2001 05:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 05:46:24 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Nick's Lists" Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: panic: pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3 Message-ID: <20010507054623.Q18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net>; from mrlist@noid.org on Mon, Apr 30, 2001 at 02:03:33PM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Nick's Lists [010430 14:03] wrote: > The box is a dual P3 with 2g ram, running Qmail which is handling inbound > email. I'm running 4.2 Release (though I've had similar problems with 3.4 > Stable a few months back, and never solved them either). > > After a 36 - 48hrs, the box will panic with "panic: pipeinit: cannot > allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3". It doesn't seem to happen during > periods of peak load, the last crash occurred at 3:45AM and there have been > days when the box has made it through our peak load times with no problems. Here's a patch that should make pipe safe, it's untested. If it crashes you right away then let me know, I'll have a cleaned up patch ready later tonight. If it crashes you later then also let me know. :) For now give this a shot, it forces resource allocation to happen at pipe creation and safely resizes pipes when the system wants them to grow. Index: sys_pipe.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/sys_pipe.c,v retrieving revision 1.60.2.6 diff -u -r1.60.2.6 sys_pipe.c --- sys_pipe.c 2001/02/26 04:23:16 1.60.2.6 +++ sys_pipe.c 2001/05/07 12:40:13 @@ -144,7 +144,8 @@ static int amountpipekva; static void pipeclose __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); -static void pipeinit __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); +static void pipe_free_kmem __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); +static int pipe_create __P((struct pipe **cpipep)); static __inline int pipelock __P((struct pipe *cpipe, int catch)); static __inline void pipeunlock __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); static __inline void pipeselwakeup __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); @@ -154,7 +155,7 @@ static int pipe_direct_write __P((struct pipe *wpipe, struct uio *uio)); static void pipe_clone_write_buffer __P((struct pipe *wpipe)); #endif -static void pipespace __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); +static int pipespace __P((struct pipe *cpipe, int size)); static vm_zone_t pipe_zone; @@ -178,11 +179,13 @@ if (pipe_zone == NULL) pipe_zone = zinit("PIPE", sizeof (struct pipe), 0, 0, 4); - rpipe = zalloc( pipe_zone); - pipeinit(rpipe); + if (pipe_create(&rpipe) || pipe_create(&wpipe)) { + pipeclose(rpipe); + pipeclose(wpipe); + return (ENFILE); + } + rpipe->pipe_state |= PIPE_DIRECTOK; - wpipe = zalloc( pipe_zone); - pipeinit(wpipe); wpipe->pipe_state |= PIPE_DIRECTOK; error = falloc(p, &rf, &fd); @@ -231,52 +234,78 @@ /* * Allocate kva for pipe circular buffer, the space is pageable */ -static void -pipespace(cpipe) +static int +pipespace(cpipe, size) struct pipe *cpipe; + int size; { + struct vm_object *object; + caddr_t buffer; int npages, error; - npages = round_page(cpipe->pipe_buffer.size)/PAGE_SIZE; + npages = round_page(size)/PAGE_SIZE; /* * Create an object, I don't like the idea of paging to/from * kernel_object. * XXX -- minor change needed here for NetBSD/OpenBSD VM systems. */ - cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = vm_object_allocate(OBJT_DEFAULT, npages); - cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = (caddr_t) vm_map_min(kernel_map); + object = vm_object_allocate(OBJT_DEFAULT, npages); + buffer = (caddr_t) vm_map_min(kernel_map); /* * Insert the object into the kernel map, and allocate kva for it. * The map entry is, by default, pageable. * XXX -- minor change needed here for NetBSD/OpenBSD VM systems. */ - error = vm_map_find(kernel_map, cpipe->pipe_buffer.object, 0, - (vm_offset_t *) &cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size, 1, + error = vm_map_find(kernel_map, object, 0, + (vm_offset_t *) &buffer, size, 1, VM_PROT_ALL, VM_PROT_ALL, 0); + + if (error != KERN_SUCCESS) { + vm_object_deallocate(object); + return (ENOMEM); + } - if (error != KERN_SUCCESS) - panic("pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = %d", error); + /* free old resources if we're resizing */ + pipe_free_kmem(cpipe); + cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = object; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = buffer; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.size = size; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.in = 0; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.out = 0; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt = 0; amountpipekva += cpipe->pipe_buffer.size; + return (0); } /* * initialize and allocate VM and memory for pipe */ -static void -pipeinit(cpipe) - struct pipe *cpipe; +static int +pipe_create(cpipep) + struct pipe **cpipep; { + struct pipe *cpipe; + int error; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.in = 0; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.out = 0; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt = 0; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size = PIPE_SIZE; + *cpipep = zalloc(pipe_zone); + if (*cpipep == NULL) + return (ENOMEM); + + cpipe = *cpipep; + + /* so pipespace()->pipe_free_kmem() doesn't follow junk pointer */ + cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = NULL; +#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT + cpipe->pipe_map.kva = NULL; +#endif - /* Buffer kva gets dynamically allocated */ - cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = NULL; - /* cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = invalid */ + error = pipespace(cpipe, PIPE_SIZE); + if (error) { + *cpipep = NULL; + zfree(pipe_zone, cpipe); + return (error); + } cpipe->pipe_state = 0; cpipe->pipe_peer = NULL; @@ -296,6 +325,7 @@ cpipe->pipe_map.npages = 0; /* cpipe->pipe_map.ms[] = invalid */ #endif + return (0); } @@ -742,47 +772,16 @@ (wpipe->pipe_buffer.size <= PIPE_SIZE) && (wpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt == 0)) { - if (wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer) { - amountpipekva -= wpipe->pipe_buffer.size; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - (vm_offset_t)wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, - wpipe->pipe_buffer.size); - } - -#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT - if (wpipe->pipe_map.kva) { - amountpipekva -= wpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - wpipe->pipe_map.kva, - wpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE); - } -#endif - - wpipe->pipe_buffer.in = 0; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.out = 0; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt = 0; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.size = BIG_PIPE_SIZE; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = NULL; - ++nbigpipe; - -#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT - wpipe->pipe_map.cnt = 0; - wpipe->pipe_map.kva = 0; - wpipe->pipe_map.pos = 0; - wpipe->pipe_map.npages = 0; -#endif - - } - - - if( wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer == NULL) { if ((error = pipelock(wpipe,1)) == 0) { - pipespace(wpipe); + if (pipespace(wpipe, BIG_PIPE_SIZE) == 0) + nbigpipe++; pipeunlock(wpipe); } else { return error; } } + + KASSERT(wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer != NULL, ("pipe buffer gone")); ++wpipe->pipe_busy; orig_resid = uio->uio_resid; @@ -1132,6 +1131,33 @@ return 0; } +static void +pipe_free_kmem(cpipe) + struct pipe *cpipe; +{ + + if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer) { + if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.size > PIPE_SIZE) + --nbigpipe; + amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size; + kmem_free(kernel_map, + (vm_offset_t)cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, + cpipe->pipe_buffer.size); + } +#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT + if (cpipe->pipe_map.kva) { + amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE; + kmem_free(kernel_map, + cpipe->pipe_map.kva, + cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE); + cpipe->pipe_map.cnt = 0; + cpipe->pipe_map.kva = 0; + cpipe->pipe_map.pos = 0; + cpipe->pipe_map.npages = 0; + } +#endif +} + /* * shutdown the pipe */ @@ -1140,6 +1166,7 @@ struct pipe *cpipe; { struct pipe *ppipe; + if (cpipe) { pipeselwakeup(cpipe); @@ -1168,22 +1195,7 @@ /* * free resources */ - if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer) { - if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.size > PIPE_SIZE) - --nbigpipe; - amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - (vm_offset_t)cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size); - } -#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT - if (cpipe->pipe_map.kva) { - amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - cpipe->pipe_map.kva, - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE); - } -#endif + pipe_free_kmem(cpipe); zfree(pipe_zone, cpipe); } } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 6:47:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (diarmadhi.mushhaven.net [209.16.107.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C5137B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 06:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mistwolf@diarmadhi.mushhaven.net) Received: (from mistwolf@localhost) by diarmadhi.mushhaven.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f47DkgA86948; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:46:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mistwolf) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:46:41 -0400 From: Jamie Norwood To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Arplookup Message-ID: <20010507094641.A86895@mushhaven.net> References: <20010503070205.B43143@mushhaven.net> <200105031125.EAA05173@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105031125.EAA05173@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net>; from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net on Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:25:25AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:25:25AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > Run a tcpdump on your fxp0 interface, looking for any and > all packets from 209.16.96.1: > tcpdump -n -i fxp0 host 209.16.96.1 > > You'll probably see a bunch of link level broadcast packets, > probably even arp whohas or arp iam.Capture this and send > it to your co-location ISP and ask them why your seeing traffic > from this box on your port, you should not be, they have a > missconfigured switch or router more than likely.Or they > are trying to run multiple subnets on one physical network > segment. This is what they are doing, I am pretty sure. :/ > You could also do a funky route command: > route add 209.16.96.1 -interface fxp0 > then see if you get an arp entry and the messages go away. > If that works your ISP is sharing physical network segments, > which in todays world is a really bad idea. Didn't work, when I do this it then floods the logs of a message about the IP in question trying to modify the permanant arp entry. *sigh* > -- > Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net This is driving me bonkers. It is making my logs less than useless. This is what they say to me: > >This is normal traffic caused by our network configuration.We do not have >an internal network router that would filter these requests for you, rather >you have a direct connection to the router which controls the bandwidth to >your server.This removes one point of failure in the network but it does >mean that the arp traffic from the network will appear on your server.It >is not counted against your bandwidth allotment as that monitoring takes >place at the network point of entry and this traffic is generated after >that point. While I am relieved to know I don't have to PAY for this crap, it doesn't help me. I am getting this message every 30 seconds or so, on the average. If I type dmesg, all it is is the error. Does anyone have any suggestions at all on how I can suppress this? Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 7: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.altadena.net (ns.altadena.net [206.126.144.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBDD37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:05:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete@ns.altadena.net) Received: (from pete@localhost) by ns.altadena.net (8.11.3/8.8.8) id f47E4Rh54278 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 May 2001 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pete) From: Pete Carah Message-Id: <200105071404.f47E4Rh54278@ns.altadena.net> Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE and VIA VT82C686A sound... In-Reply-To: <20010507004234.D76269-100000@server.arg.sj.co.uk> To: stable@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a different "interesting" problem with this combination; conditions are: ASUS A7V133 with sound. I don't know what sound chip this uses. If I leave the sound enabled by jumpers (bios disable is NOT enough) a boot -v hangs at the "isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices" line (after the parallel port probe). A board-level audio-system disable is needed to fix this. (without -v it hangs after the parallel port probe...) This happens whether or not pcm is included in the kernel. Unfortunately I don't normally include the debugger in -stable kernels, so can't (yet) report more detail :-( Another (easier to cope with) problem is that the board (mem? cpu?) with 1.2G cpu and proper PC133 memory (which has been run at 133 before), is unstable with the bus-clock faster than 128mhz (sig-11 in cc during make world). At least the bios lets me set any integer mhz :-) Once it works, it does make world (stable) in 55mins; make -j2 world is about the same so the disk and cpu are apparently well-balanced for gcc (or everything is bus-limited). -- Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 8:31:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56C2E37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: from witchspace.com ([213.105.80.222]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010507153109.OTF285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@witchspace.com> for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:31:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:31:51 +0100 From: Jonathan Belson Organization: Jon's Place X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiya I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. Since it started happening a little while after I did the hardware upgrade I did wonder if it was hardware related, but the other OSes (Windows 2000 and BeOS 5) have had no problems at all. Has anyone experienced anything similar? -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 8:56: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from quarter.csl.sri.com (quarter.csl.sri.com [130.107.1.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2164937B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gilham@csl.sri.com) Received: from snapdragon.csl.sri.com (snapdragon.csl.sri.com [130.107.19.20]) by quarter.csl.sri.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f47Fu1N16065 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:56:01 -0700 Message-Id: <200105071556.f47Fu1N16065@quarter.csl.sri.com> To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: Message from Jonathan Belson of "Mon, 07 May 2001 16:31:51 BST." <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:56:01 -0700 From: Fred Gilham Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number of complete > lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly > freezes, I can't even ping the machine. Nothing in the logfiles > gives any hints. Since I upgraded to 4.3 I see the same thing under conditions where I've been doing heavy lisp development. The system will be running a compile and suddenly I'll notice that the compile is taking longer than normal and then I see that the X clock isn't moving. The only situation is a hard reset. No log information. Sometimes the system hangs with one of the disk activity lights on. The lisp compiler takes up to 100% of the CPU time (as seen in top) for fairly long periods of time. It also does disk I/O writing out the compiled files. I've got a 700 MHz Athlon on a Soyo motherboard (Fry's special) with 128M of pc133 memory. The CPU has a big heat sink (one of those circular kind that looks like a nuclear reactor). I found that I could get a stable system by reducing the memory speed to 100 Mhz -- the motherboard allows running the memory at 133 Mhz with the CPU running at 7 X 100Mhz. That used to work OK but not any more. I run XFree 3.3.6 but I just use twm. At first I thought the problem was heat related. I have five 4Gb scsi disks in the case. I have two fans to suck the air out from the top where the disks are and the air seems cool but I took the side cover off my system anyway to see if it would help. While cooling the CPU some (it was running around 41C, it went down to about 39C) it didn't seem to make a difference in the stability of the system. Only running the memory slower seemed to help. Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com ``This is mere entertainment featuring fictional characters. No real human relationships were shattered in the making of this TV series.'' To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 8:58: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE2537B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 08:58:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [195.11.243.26] (helo=Debug) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14wnOc-0007JT-00; Mon, 07 May 2001 15:58:02 +0000 To: Jonathan Belson , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: Wilko Bulte Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:58:02 GMT X-Mailer: www.webmail.nl.demon.net X-Sender: postmaster@freebie.demon.nl X-Originating-IP: 161.114.88.73 Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FWIW my Athlon 700 in an Abit KA7 (IIRC) is quite happy with 4.3 -stable Wilko > Hiya > > > I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number > of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + > KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping > the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. > > Since it started happening a little while after I did > the hardware upgrade I did wonder if it was hardware > related, but the other OSes (Windows 2000 and BeOS 5) > have had no problems at all. > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? > > > -- > C-YA > Jon > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org http://www.nlfug.nl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 9: 5:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6265737B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:05:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14833; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:05:22 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF6C7C3.DE4D6581@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:05:23 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Jonathan Belson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wilko Bulte wrote: > > FWIW my Athlon 700 in an Abit KA7 (IIRC) is quite happy with > 4.3 -stable > > Wilko > So is my Duron 700 in a DFI AK74-EC . . . jmc > > Hiya > > > > > > I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > > a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > > > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number > > of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + > > KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping > > the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. > > > > Since it started happening a little while after I did > > the hardware upgrade I did wonder if it was hardware > > related, but the other OSes (Windows 2000 and BeOS 5) > > have had no problems at all. > > > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? > > > > > > -- > > C-YA > > Jon > > > > > > < SNIP > > -- > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > http://www.nlfug.nl > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 9:39:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-172.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06DB937B625 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:39:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (topperwein.dyndns.org [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f47GdLu02361 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:39:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: XFree 4.0.3 + Radeon QD Crashes 4.3-STABLE In-Reply-To: <20010507070722.6882D1FBC@solfertje.student.utwente.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Alban Hertroys wrote: > On 6 May, Chris BeHanna wrote: > > I have the following configuration: > > Same here, though on an ASUS A7M266 board (AMD761 northbridge, VIA 686B > south) and with a 1.2 GHz Athlon. Many people on various OS's suffer > from this. So I've discovered. Apparently, the AMD 761 chipset is not yet supported. > In my case it helped putting the option "NoAccel" in > /etc/X11/XF86Config, but I've already read about people who still have > the problem without acceleration. Thanks. I'll give that a try. There were some other tricks in the Rage3D forum for getting a Rage 128 to work that I may also try. Meanwhile, I noticed that the Radeon is listening on irq 10, and so is one of my NICs. It's all PCI, and that should be fine (in fact, the Radeon gives me an 80x25 console just fine), but I'm going to try shuffling irqs around and see if that helps. I don't know if any PCI slots in my motherboard are hard-wired to a specific IRQ. I'll certainly find that out, although I'd like to keep my current configuration that leaves the slot next to the Radeon empty for air circulation. (What's also troubling is that this is supposedly a 64MB DDR VIVO, but only 32MB are seen in my dmesg. Winblows reports the same. Ah well, at least I can transfer the videos of my kids to a more permanent medium than magnetic tape, and hook up the 2nd satellite receiver to the back of the card....) > The problem is reported to the XFree86 bugtracker and standing since > January or so... Time is my biggest problem, but if I can't get this to work with the suggested workarounds, I may have to find some time to fix it. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 9:44:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-172.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE6F37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 09:44:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (topperwein.dyndns.org [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f47GiGu02382 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:44:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:44:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <3AF6C7C3.DE4D6581@webmail.bmi.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > FWIW my Athlon 700 in an Abit KA7 (IIRC) is quite happy with > > 4.3 -stable > > So is my Duron 700 in a DFI AK74-EC . . . Ditto my 1.33Ghz T-bird in a Gigabyte GA-7DX--as long as I don't try to run X (Radeon problem--see my other thread). It'll *build* X in 20 minutes, but it won't *run* X! If it helps you any, I'm using the CORE heatsink/fan combo, which tested significantly cooler than any other on the market (it's also significantly more expensive, but then, I want my hardware to last.) -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 10:28:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B63ED37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:28:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f47HSkO03770; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:28:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:28:46 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: "Sameer R. Manek" Cc: FreeBSD-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3 Support for NetGear MA401 Message-ID: <20010507102845.A28904@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from manek@ghur.net on Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:41:33PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:41:33PM -0700, Sameer R. Manek wrote: > Does anyone know if there is planned support for the Netgear MA401? It's > Netgear's wireless (802.11b) pcmcia card. I didn't see anything mentioned= in > either the LINT file nor did It's pretty likely this is yet another generic Prism II card which would make it supported by the wi driver. It looks like there are only three possiable config lines for wi cards at this point, so you probably just need to try them (see /etc/defaults/pccard.conf for samples.) -- Brooks --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE69ttNXY6L6fI4GtQRAlFPAKDeRkhHmVBebzC1M8Krv34bvKxkdgCgi41g Si1BBLSINqIf4LiQkgOuvPY= =lo80 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 10:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from math.teaser.net (math.teaser.net [213.91.2.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 544F637B424 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:30:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaco@teaser.fr) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (d34-105.ppp.teaser.fr [213.91.34.105]) by math.teaser.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 107D26C80B for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 19:30:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 319ED3396; Mon, 7 May 2001 19:21:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Attribution: Jaco To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon References: <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 07 May 2001 19:21:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> (Jonathan Belson's message of "Mon, 07 May 2001 16:31:51 +0100") Message-ID: <86lmo9dqi9.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090003 (Oort Gnus v0.03) Emacs/21.0.102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Belson writes: Jonathan> Hiya Jonathan> I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on Jonathan> a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. Have the same MB (KT7A-Raid) with a 1GHz Athlon and have no problem at all. You have not tried to "overclock" it, isn't it ? To find your problem, look at the dmesg and /var/log/messages first. If there's nothing wrong, check your cooler (but it seems it's not a harware problem as others OS are working well). -- Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1292699818 secondes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 10:37:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (GndRsh.dnsmgr.net [198.145.92.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7240B37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:37:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA18255; Mon, 7 May 2001 10:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <200105071737.KAA18255@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Arplookup In-Reply-To: <20010507094641.A86895@mushhaven.net> from Jamie Norwood at "May 7, 2001 09:46:41 am" To: mistwolf@mushhaven.net (Jamie Norwood) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 04:25:25AM -0700, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > Run a tcpdump on your fxp0 interface, looking for any and > > all packets from 209.16.96.1: > > tcpdump -n -i fxp0 host 209.16.96.1 > > > > You'll probably see a bunch of link level broadcast packets, > > probably even arp whohas or arp iam.Capture this and send > > it to your co-location ISP and ask them why your seeing traffic > > from this box on your port, you should not be, they have a > > missconfigured switch or router more than likely.Or they > > are trying to run multiple subnets on one physical network > > segment. > > This is what they are doing, I am pretty sure. :/ Then be aware that your packets on this wire are suseptable to sniffing and such by all these other hosts. > > You could also do a funky route command: > > route add 209.16.96.1 -interface fxp0 > > then see if you get an arp entry and the messages go away. > > If that works your ISP is sharing physical network segments, > > which in todays world is a really bad idea. > > Didn't work, when I do this it then floods the logs of a message about the > IP in question trying to modify the permanant arp entry. *sigh* Oh, yea, that would be a side effect of this. > This is driving me bonkers. It is making my logs less than useless. > This is what they say to me: > > > >This is normal traffic caused by our network configuration.We do not have > >an internal network router that would filter these requests for you, rather > >you have a direct connection to the router which controls the bandwidth to > >your server. That can not be the truth, if you had a direct connection to a router port you would not see these packets, as the router would not send them to this port. There is a hub or switch between you and the router port. > This removes one point of failure in the network but it does > >mean that the arp traffic from the network will appear on your server.It > >is not counted against your bandwidth allotment as that monitoring takes > >place at the network point of entry and this traffic is generated after > >that point. > > While I am relieved to know I don't have to PAY for this crap, it doesn't > help me. I am getting this message every 30 seconds or so, on the average. > If I type dmesg, all it is is the error. Does anyone have any suggestions > at all on how I can suppress this? Add ipfw or ipfilter functionality to your box and filter them? Nope, that won't work, arp packets are not ip packets so they don't hit the filter. Tell the damn ISP to fix there broken network design is about all I can say... -- Rod Grimes - KD7CAX @ CN85sl - (RWG25) rgrimes@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 11: 8: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wattres.Watt.COM (wattres.watt.com [205.178.120.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A1D37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@Watt.COM) Received: (from steve@localhost) by wattres.Watt.COM (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f47I7u731297; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:07:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve) Message-Id: <200105071807.f47I7u731297@wattres.Watt.COM> X-Newsgroups: local.freebsd-stable References: Organization: Watt Consultants, San Jose, CA, USA From: steve@Watt.COM (Steve Watt) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:07:56 -0700 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: pekkas@netcore.fi, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG pekkas@netcore.fi wrote: >On Sat, 5 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: >Ok. This was caused by the dummynet rule, either directly or indirectly. [...] >The traffic being shaped to 20Mbit/s ranged from 25-35 Mbit/s (steady), >mostly outgoing. >Has dummynet been tested in this kind of heavy environment? > >Is there a better value for 'queue', e.g. 1000Kbytes in this scenario? OK, this seems to me to be a guaranteed cause of "no buffer space available". If your pipe is only 20Mb and you're trying to stuff 25-35Mb though it, that's 5-15Mb that need to be stashed somewhere *every second*. A perfectly good place to stash that amount of stuff is /dev/null, unless you have some *huge* buffers allocated. Am I missing something? I don't know if dummynet supports it, but if you can enable random early dropping[1] (RED), that should do a decent job of throttling TCP connections to lower the demand. [1]OK, I *know* that's not what the RED acronym expands to, but it does the job... -- Steve Watt KD6GGD PP-ASEL-IA ICBM: 121W 56' 57.8" / 37N 20' 14.9" Internet: steve @ Watt.COM Whois: SW32 Free time? There's no such thing. It just comes in varying prices... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 11:21:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9522C37B42C for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f47ILK427403; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 11:21:20 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: "Nick's Lists" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: please test. Message-ID: <20010507112120.T18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <026b01c0d1b9$161f0320$3ba2640a@int.netzero.net> <20010507054623.Q18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010507054623.Q18676@fw.wintelcom.net>; from alfred@FreeBSD.ORG on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 05:46:24AM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Alfred Perlstein [010507 05:47] wrote: > * Nick's Lists [010430 14:03] wrote: > > The box is a dual P3 with 2g ram, running Qmail which is handling inbound > > email. I'm running 4.2 Release (though I've had similar problems with 3.4 > > Stable a few months back, and never solved them either). > > > > After a 36 - 48hrs, the box will panic with "panic: pipeinit: cannot > > allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = 3". It doesn't seem to happen during > > periods of peak load, the last crash occurred at 3:45AM and there have been > > days when the box has made it through our peak load times with no problems. > > Here's a patch that should make pipe safe, it's untested. If it crashes > you right away then let me know, I'll have a cleaned up patch ready > later tonight. If it crashes you later then also let me know. :) > > For now give this a shot, it forces resource allocation to happen at > pipe creation and safely resizes pipes when the system wants them to > grow. k, sorry about that, I did say it was untested... :) here's one that is tested and seems to boot fine. just: cd /usr/src/sys/kern && patch < /path/to/this/file then remake, install and boot your new kernel. Index: sys_pipe.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/kern/sys_pipe.c,v retrieving revision 1.60.2.6 diff -u -r1.60.2.6 sys_pipe.c --- sys_pipe.c 2001/02/26 04:23:16 1.60.2.6 +++ sys_pipe.c 2001/05/07 18:11:24 @@ -144,7 +144,8 @@ static int amountpipekva; static void pipeclose __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); -static void pipeinit __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); +static void pipe_free_kmem __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); +static int pipe_create __P((struct pipe **cpipep)); static __inline int pipelock __P((struct pipe *cpipe, int catch)); static __inline void pipeunlock __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); static __inline void pipeselwakeup __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); @@ -154,7 +155,7 @@ static int pipe_direct_write __P((struct pipe *wpipe, struct uio *uio)); static void pipe_clone_write_buffer __P((struct pipe *wpipe)); #endif -static void pipespace __P((struct pipe *cpipe)); +static int pipespace __P((struct pipe *cpipe, int size)); static vm_zone_t pipe_zone; @@ -170,7 +171,7 @@ int dummy; } */ *uap; { - register struct filedesc *fdp = p->p_fd; + struct filedesc *fdp = p->p_fd; struct file *rf, *wf; struct pipe *rpipe, *wpipe; int fd, error; @@ -178,11 +179,13 @@ if (pipe_zone == NULL) pipe_zone = zinit("PIPE", sizeof (struct pipe), 0, 0, 4); - rpipe = zalloc( pipe_zone); - pipeinit(rpipe); + if (pipe_create(&rpipe) || pipe_create(&wpipe)) { + pipeclose(rpipe); + pipeclose(wpipe); + return (ENFILE); + } + rpipe->pipe_state |= PIPE_DIRECTOK; - wpipe = zalloc( pipe_zone); - pipeinit(wpipe); wpipe->pipe_state |= PIPE_DIRECTOK; error = falloc(p, &rf, &fd); @@ -230,61 +233,82 @@ /* * Allocate kva for pipe circular buffer, the space is pageable + * This routine will 'realloc' the size of a pipe safely, if it fails + * it will retain the old buffer. + * If it fails it will return ENOMEM. */ -static void -pipespace(cpipe) +static int +pipespace(cpipe, size) struct pipe *cpipe; + int size; { + struct vm_object *object; + caddr_t buffer; int npages, error; - npages = round_page(cpipe->pipe_buffer.size)/PAGE_SIZE; + npages = round_page(size)/PAGE_SIZE; /* * Create an object, I don't like the idea of paging to/from * kernel_object. * XXX -- minor change needed here for NetBSD/OpenBSD VM systems. */ - cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = vm_object_allocate(OBJT_DEFAULT, npages); - cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = (caddr_t) vm_map_min(kernel_map); + object = vm_object_allocate(OBJT_DEFAULT, npages); + buffer = (caddr_t) vm_map_min(kernel_map); /* * Insert the object into the kernel map, and allocate kva for it. * The map entry is, by default, pageable. * XXX -- minor change needed here for NetBSD/OpenBSD VM systems. */ - error = vm_map_find(kernel_map, cpipe->pipe_buffer.object, 0, - (vm_offset_t *) &cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size, 1, + error = vm_map_find(kernel_map, object, 0, + (vm_offset_t *) &buffer, size, 1, VM_PROT_ALL, VM_PROT_ALL, 0); - if (error != KERN_SUCCESS) - panic("pipeinit: cannot allocate pipe -- out of kvm -- code = %d", error); + if (error != KERN_SUCCESS) { + vm_object_deallocate(object); + return (ENOMEM); + } + + /* free old resources if we're resizing */ + pipe_free_kmem(cpipe); + cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = object; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = buffer; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.size = size; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.in = 0; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.out = 0; + cpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt = 0; amountpipekva += cpipe->pipe_buffer.size; + return (0); } /* * initialize and allocate VM and memory for pipe */ -static void -pipeinit(cpipe) - struct pipe *cpipe; +static int +pipe_create(cpipep) + struct pipe **cpipep; { - - cpipe->pipe_buffer.in = 0; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.out = 0; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt = 0; - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size = PIPE_SIZE; + struct pipe *cpipe; + int error; - /* Buffer kva gets dynamically allocated */ - cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = NULL; - /* cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = invalid */ + *cpipep = zalloc(pipe_zone); + if (*cpipep == NULL) + return (ENOMEM); + cpipe = *cpipep; + + /* so pipespace()->pipe_free_kmem() doesn't follow junk pointer */ + cpipe->pipe_buffer.object = NULL; +#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT + cpipe->pipe_map.kva = NULL; +#endif + /* + * protect so pipeclose() doesn't follow a junk pointer + * if pipespace() fails. + */ cpipe->pipe_state = 0; cpipe->pipe_peer = NULL; cpipe->pipe_busy = 0; - vfs_timestamp(&cpipe->pipe_ctime); - cpipe->pipe_atime = cpipe->pipe_ctime; - cpipe->pipe_mtime = cpipe->pipe_ctime; - bzero(&cpipe->pipe_sel, sizeof cpipe->pipe_sel); #ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT /* @@ -296,6 +320,18 @@ cpipe->pipe_map.npages = 0; /* cpipe->pipe_map.ms[] = invalid */ #endif + + error = pipespace(cpipe, PIPE_SIZE); + if (error) { + return (error); + } + + vfs_timestamp(&cpipe->pipe_ctime); + cpipe->pipe_atime = cpipe->pipe_ctime; + cpipe->pipe_mtime = cpipe->pipe_ctime; + bzero(&cpipe->pipe_sel, sizeof cpipe->pipe_sel); + + return (0); } @@ -308,6 +344,7 @@ int catch; { int error; + while (cpipe->pipe_state & PIPE_LOCK) { cpipe->pipe_state |= PIPE_LWANT; if ((error = tsleep( cpipe, @@ -326,6 +363,7 @@ pipeunlock(cpipe) struct pipe *cpipe; { + cpipe->pipe_state &= ~PIPE_LOCK; if (cpipe->pipe_state & PIPE_LWANT) { cpipe->pipe_state &= ~PIPE_LWANT; @@ -337,6 +375,7 @@ pipeselwakeup(cpipe) struct pipe *cpipe; { + if (cpipe->pipe_state & PIPE_SEL) { cpipe->pipe_state &= ~PIPE_SEL; selwakeup(&cpipe->pipe_sel); @@ -355,7 +394,6 @@ struct proc *p; int flags; { - struct pipe *rpipe = (struct pipe *) fp->f_data; int error; int nread = 0; @@ -575,6 +613,7 @@ struct pipe *wpipe; { int i; + if (wpipe->pipe_map.kva) { pmap_qremove(wpipe->pipe_map.kva, wpipe->pipe_map.npages); @@ -597,7 +636,7 @@ */ static void pipe_clone_write_buffer(wpipe) -struct pipe *wpipe; + struct pipe *wpipe; { int size; int pos; @@ -629,6 +668,7 @@ struct uio *uio; { int error; + retry: while (wpipe->pipe_state & PIPE_DIRECTW) { if ( wpipe->pipe_state & PIPE_WANTR) { @@ -719,7 +759,6 @@ { int error = 0; int orig_resid; - struct pipe *wpipe, *rpipe; rpipe = (struct pipe *) fp->f_data; @@ -742,47 +781,16 @@ (wpipe->pipe_buffer.size <= PIPE_SIZE) && (wpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt == 0)) { - if (wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer) { - amountpipekva -= wpipe->pipe_buffer.size; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - (vm_offset_t)wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, - wpipe->pipe_buffer.size); - } - -#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT - if (wpipe->pipe_map.kva) { - amountpipekva -= wpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - wpipe->pipe_map.kva, - wpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE); - } -#endif - - wpipe->pipe_buffer.in = 0; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.out = 0; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.cnt = 0; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.size = BIG_PIPE_SIZE; - wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = NULL; - ++nbigpipe; - -#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT - wpipe->pipe_map.cnt = 0; - wpipe->pipe_map.kva = 0; - wpipe->pipe_map.pos = 0; - wpipe->pipe_map.npages = 0; -#endif - - } - - - if( wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer == NULL) { if ((error = pipelock(wpipe,1)) == 0) { - pipespace(wpipe); + if (pipespace(wpipe, BIG_PIPE_SIZE) == 0) + nbigpipe++; pipeunlock(wpipe); } else { return error; } } + + KASSERT(wpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer != NULL, ("pipe buffer gone")); ++wpipe->pipe_busy; orig_resid = uio->uio_resid; @@ -1004,10 +1012,10 @@ pipe_ioctl(fp, cmd, data, p) struct file *fp; u_long cmd; - register caddr_t data; + caddr_t data; struct proc *p; { - register struct pipe *mpipe = (struct pipe *)fp->f_data; + struct pipe *mpipe = (struct pipe *)fp->f_data; switch (cmd) { @@ -1056,7 +1064,7 @@ struct ucred *cred; struct proc *p; { - register struct pipe *rpipe = (struct pipe *)fp->f_data; + struct pipe *rpipe = (struct pipe *)fp->f_data; struct pipe *wpipe; int revents = 0; @@ -1132,6 +1140,34 @@ return 0; } +static void +pipe_free_kmem(cpipe) + struct pipe *cpipe; +{ + + if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer != NULL) { + if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.size > PIPE_SIZE) + --nbigpipe; + amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size; + kmem_free(kernel_map, + (vm_offset_t)cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, + cpipe->pipe_buffer.size); + cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer = NULL; + } +#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT + if (cpipe->pipe_map.kva != NULL) { + amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE; + kmem_free(kernel_map, + cpipe->pipe_map.kva, + cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE); + cpipe->pipe_map.cnt = 0; + cpipe->pipe_map.kva = 0; + cpipe->pipe_map.pos = 0; + cpipe->pipe_map.npages = 0; + } +#endif +} + /* * shutdown the pipe */ @@ -1140,6 +1176,7 @@ struct pipe *cpipe; { struct pipe *ppipe; + if (cpipe) { pipeselwakeup(cpipe); @@ -1168,22 +1205,7 @@ /* * free resources */ - if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer) { - if (cpipe->pipe_buffer.size > PIPE_SIZE) - --nbigpipe; - amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - (vm_offset_t)cpipe->pipe_buffer.buffer, - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size); - } -#ifndef PIPE_NODIRECT - if (cpipe->pipe_map.kva) { - amountpipekva -= cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE; - kmem_free(kernel_map, - cpipe->pipe_map.kva, - cpipe->pipe_buffer.size + PAGE_SIZE); - } -#endif + pipe_free_kmem(cpipe); zfree(pipe_zone, cpipe); } } To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 11:24:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB4F37B42C for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:24:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f47INZ374417; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: gilham@csl.sri.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <200105071556.f47Fu1N16065@quarter.csl.sri.com> References: <200105071556.f47Fu1N16065@quarter.csl.sri.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010507112335U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:23:35 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 7 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Odd. What sort of LISP environment are you running? I've got 4.3 running on my 900MHz Athlon + ASUS K7 motherboard and it works great and has for a long time. Are you running a custom kernel configuration? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 11:25:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcore.fi (netcore.fi [193.94.160.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9623B37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:25:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pekkas@netcore.fi) Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f47IPNg27349; Mon, 7 May 2001 21:25:24 +0300 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:25:23 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Steve Watt Cc: Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] In-Reply-To: <200105071807.f47I7u731297@wattres.Watt.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Steve Watt wrote: > pekkas@netcore.fi wrote: > >On Sat, 5 May 2001, Pekka Savola wrote: > >Ok. This was caused by the dummynet rule, either directly or indirectly. > > [...] > > >The traffic being shaped to 20Mbit/s ranged from 25-35 Mbit/s (steady), > >mostly outgoing. > > >Has dummynet been tested in this kind of heavy environment? > > > >Is there a better value for 'queue', e.g. 1000Kbytes in this scenario? > > OK, this seems to me to be a guaranteed cause of "no buffer space > available". If your pipe is only 20Mb and you're trying to stuff > 25-35Mb though it, that's 5-15Mb that need to be stashed somewhere > *every second*. A perfectly good place to stash that amount of > stuff is /dev/null, unless you have some *huge* buffers allocated. > > Am I missing something? > > I don't know if dummynet supports it, but if you can enable random > early dropping[1] (RED), that should do a decent job of throttling > TCP connections to lower the demand. I don't try to stuff 25-35 Mb/s through it exactly; that's what the traffic would be if there was no shaping at all. The point with this kind of traffic shaping is that packets need not necessarily be thrown away that much. If you let a packet here and there be dropped from a TCP connection, the protocol will automatically decrease the window size. The protocol algorithm will learn the optimal speed for the connection. Actual packet drop rate is well below 1%, which is something that could be buffered (with small delays) too. Not sure how dummynet does this. It also supports RED, but it's a bit heavier to set up. -- Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 11:48:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.viamidia.com (client02.icablenet.com.br [200.237.234.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB1C37B424 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hlj@viamidia.com) Received: from freebsd.brasilnet.net (freebsd.viamidia.com [192.168.0.254]) by www.viamidia.com (8.10.1/pre1.0-MySQL/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f47Im5q01965 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:48:06 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:48:08 -0300 (BRT) Organization: Helio Luchtenberg Junior From: hlj@viamidia.com To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe freebsd-stable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe freebsd-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 11:50:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C5E37B43C for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 11:50:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: from witchspace.com ([213.105.80.222]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010507185005.KGLO283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@witchspace.com> for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 19:50:05 +0100 Message-ID: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:50:46 +0100 From: Jonathan Belson Organization: Jon's Place X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon References: <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> <86lmo9dqi9.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eric Jacoboni wrote: > > >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Belson writes: > > Jonathan> Hiya > Jonathan> I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > Jonathan> a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > Have the same MB (KT7A-Raid) with a 1GHz Athlon and have no problem at > all. You have not tried to "overclock" it, isn't it ? No, no overclocking. Actually I'm underclocking to 1160MHz 8^) Are you using 133MHz ram? > To find your problem, look at the dmesg and /var/log/messages > first. If there's nothing wrong, check your cooler (but it seems it's > not a harware problem as others OS are working well). Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large and feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being overstretched since it's 250W, but I haven't really got a huge amount in the machine - but again, why do the other OSes work fine? -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 12:19:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-172.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7DB37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (topperwein.dyndns.org [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f47JJau02841 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:19:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jonathan Belson wrote: > Eric Jacoboni wrote: > > > > >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Belson writes: > > > > Jonathan> Hiya > > Jonathan> I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > > Jonathan> a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > > > Have the same MB (KT7A-Raid) with a 1GHz Athlon and have no problem at > > all. You have not tried to "overclock" it, isn't it ? > > No, no overclocking. Actually I'm underclocking to 1160MHz 8^) > Are you using 133MHz ram? > > > To find your problem, look at the dmesg and /var/log/messages > > first. If there's nothing wrong, check your cooler (but it seems it's > > not a harware problem as others OS are working well). > > Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large and > feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being overstretched > since it's 250W, but I haven't really got a huge amount in the ^^^^ > machine - but again, why do the other OSes work fine? AMD specs a 400W power supply for a T-bird. I don't know why the other OSes work fine, but I would not try much more in the hair-pulling department until you upgrade to an in-spec. power supply. Antec makes a nice one with a bottom intake that can be had for around $100, including shipping (that's what I'm running). Your 250-watter can then power your kids' Windoze box. As for me, I'm using PC2100 RAM (133Mhz DDR). If you are overclocking your memory, then instability is not to be unexpected. :-/ -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 12:26: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D98A37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:26:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from HP2500B (fuggle.veldy.net [64.1.117.28]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 23E1FBAA2 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:24:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003501c0d72b$640245d0$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: References: <200105071556.f47Fu1N16065@quarter.csl.sri.com> Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:24:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I've got a 700 MHz Athlon on a Soyo motherboard (Fry's special) with > 128M of pc133 memory. The CPU has a big heat sink (one of those > circular kind that looks like a nuclear reactor). I found that I > could get a stable system by reducing the memory speed to 100 Mhz -- > the motherboard allows running the memory at 133 Mhz with the CPU > running at 7 X 100Mhz. That used to work OK but not any more. It is pretty well know that you should not run an Athlon system with generic memory. Namebrand only. Micron is my recommendation. No problems here on my 600. ABIT KA7-100 motherboard. Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 12:45: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f59.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E362737B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:45:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajc13@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:45:03 -0700 Received: from 198.242.51.122 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 May 2001 19:45:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [198.242.51.122] From: "Andrew Card" To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:45:03 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 May 2001 19:45:03.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[35B42600:01C0D72E] Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG


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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 12:59:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tepid.osl.fast.no (tepid.osl.fast.no [213.188.9.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6906037B42C for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 12:59:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Raymond.Wiker@fast.no) Received: from raw.grenland.fast.no.fast.no (fw-oslo.fast.no [213.188.9.129]) by tepid.osl.fast.no (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA67515; Mon, 7 May 2001 19:59:04 GMT (envelope-from Raymond.Wiker@fast.no) From: Raymond Wiker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15094.65159.213219.918840@raw.grenland.fast.no> Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:59:03 +0200 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <20010507112335U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> References: <200105071556.f47Fu1N16065@quarter.csl.sri.com> <20010507112335U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard writes: > Odd. What sort of LISP environment are you running? I've got 4.3 > running on my 900MHz Athlon + ASUS K7 motherboard and it works great > and has for a long time. Are you running a custom kernel > configuration? I'm using an EPOX 8KTA3+ with a Duron 700 (7x100), a 256MB 133MHz SIMM and a 128MB 100MHz SIMM. I noticed that the actual RAM chips on the SIMMS were the same speed (7.5ns), so I forced the BIOS to use the 133MHz timing. With this setup, I saw the same behaviour as Fred Gilham reports. Sooo, I guess it could be either a marginal RAM chip, or possibly some slight incompatibility with the motherboard. (I've seen some talk on a resgroup dedicated to the EPOX 8KTA3+ that it's possible to configure the VIA KT133A chipset for a higher "RAM drive strength"; this is supposed to work with a wider range of SIMMS.) //Raymond. -- Raymond Wiker Raymond.Wiker@fast.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13: 0:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-172.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC76937B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:00:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (topperwein.dyndns.org [192.168.168.10]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f47K0Gu03064; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:00:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: Jamie Norwood Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <20010507152915.B95852@mushhaven.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG (Forwarded to -stable, due to relevance to a prior comment of mine.) On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jamie Norwood wrote: > On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 03:19:36PM -0400, Chris BeHanna wrote: > > AMD specs a 400W power supply for a T-bird. I don't know why the > > other OSes work fine, but I would not try much more in the > > hair-pulling department until you upgrade to an in-spec. power supply. > > Antec makes a nice one with a bottom intake that can be had for around > > $100, including shipping (that's what I'm running). Your 250-watter > > can then power your kids' Windoze box. > > Holy shit. Do you have a link on this spec? I just put a machine together > for my uncle with a 250w PS and a 1.33Mhz Tbird, but it was a windoze box... http://www1.amd.com/athlon/npower/index/1,1712,,00.html Looks like I spoke out of turn. *Some* mfgrs. power supplies are OK at 300W. *NO* 250W power supplies are listed. > www.coolerguys.com has a great 431wPS that I have in my personal system. > Has the downward fan, yet is far quieter than the 300w Antec it replaced, > for 99.99+shipping. Hmm. I bought Antec based upon a power supply review I read about two years ago, in which an Antec 300W power supply came out on top in terms of system stability when powering a K6-2 500Mhz chip. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13: 2:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CE437B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:02:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f47LiuZ01512; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:44:56 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:44:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Jonathan Belson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jonathan Belson wrote: > I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number > of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + > KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping > the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. > > Since it started happening a little while after I did > the hardware upgrade I did wonder if it was hardware > related, but the other OSes (Windows 2000 and BeOS 5) > have had no problems at all. > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? Try different memory. Most crashing problems on many Athlon machines seems to be caused by memory that may work fine in some other machine at PC133, but will crash at 133MHz in the Athlon. You can also try setting your memory speed to 100 MHz. The fact that other OSes don't crash means NOTHING. They don't push your machine anywhere near as hard as FreeBSD can. An extra clock cycle added in some specific access is all the extra delay you need to never see this type of problem. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13: 6: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F1E37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:06:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f47Ln8901527; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:49:08 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:49:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Fred Gilham Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <200105071556.f47Fu1N16065@quarter.csl.sri.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Fred Gilham wrote: > I've got a 700 MHz Athlon on a Soyo motherboard (Fry's special) with Try a new motherboard. I've seen more of those terrible Soyos die on people than you'd believe. Luckily, I've never bout one myself. :) Junk. Total junk. (I don't ever remember seeing a PROPERLY working, Soyo, actually) Got lots of broken and burned ones, though! :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13:11:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96D437B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:11:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: from witchspace.com ([213.105.80.222]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010507201110.OFNM283.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@witchspace.com>; Mon, 7 May 2001 21:11:10 +0100 Message-ID: <3AF70187.8241624D@witchspace.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:11:51 +0100 From: Jonathan Belson Organization: Jon's Place X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris BeHanna Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris BeHanna wrote: > > Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large and > > feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being overstretched > > since it's 250W, but I haven't really got a huge amount in the > ^^^^ > > machine - but again, why do the other OSes work fine? > > AMD specs a 400W power supply for a T-bird. I don't know why the > other OSes work fine, but I would not try much more in the > hair-pulling department until you upgrade to an in-spec. power supply. From the AMD web site, recommended power supplies for up to 1.2GHz processors start at 300W. Upgrading to a meatier PSU was on my list of things to try, but I thought I'd check to see if anyone else was having similar problems first. > As for me, I'm using PC2100 RAM (133Mhz DDR). If you are > overclocking your memory, then instability is not to be unexpected. :-/ I'm not overclocking anything. -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13:34:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.myzona.net (dsl027-179-064.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.27.179.64]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CECD837B42C for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:34:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@freebsd.myzona.net) Received: from parkson (adsl-64-166-85-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.166.85.98]) by freebsd.myzona.net (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f47KYl736900 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alex@freebsd.myzona.net) Message-ID: <001e01c0d734$d04dba40$ea31fea9@parkson> Reply-To: "Alex M" From: "Alex M" To: "FreeBSD STABLE" Subject: Adaptec 29160 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 13:32:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D6FA.206F3160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D6FA.206F3160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I am currently running FreeBSD on an old box, and planning on to install = 4.2 on my new server-type box, which has Adaptec 29160 SCSI card, the = thing is that i've checked the hardware compatibility list and didnt = find this model in there, nor the official adaptec site offers drivers = for freebsd.=20 Is it true it will not work? If yes, I hope support for this card would = be available soon. Best Regards, Alex M. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D6FA.206F3160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,
 
I am currently running FreeBSD on an = old box, and=20 planning on to install 4.2 on my new server-type box, which has Adaptec = 29160=20 SCSI card, the thing is that i've checked the hardware compatibility = list and=20 didnt find this model in there, nor the official adaptec site offers = drivers for=20 freebsd.
 
Is it true it will not work? If yes, I = hope support=20 for this card would be available soon.
 
Best Regards,
Alex M.
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C0D6FA.206F3160-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13:53:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from musique.teaser.fr (musique.teaser.net [213.91.2.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6637F37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:53:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jaco@teaser.fr) Received: from titine.fr.eu.org (d32-217.ppp.teaser.fr [213.91.32.217]) by musique.teaser.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69BE7250D for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:53:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by titine.fr.eu.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4C624335E; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:48:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Attribution: Jaco To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon References: <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> <86lmo9dqi9.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> From: Eric Jacoboni Date: 07 May 2001 22:48:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> (Jonathan Belson's message of "Mon, 07 May 2001 19:50:46 +0100") Message-ID: <86vgncdgwj.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> Lines: 21 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090003 (Oort Gnus v0.03) Emacs/21.0.102 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Belson writes: Jonathan> Are you using 133MHz ram? Yes, 133 SDRAM. Jonathan> Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large Jonathan> and feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being Jonathan> overstretched since it's 250W Mine is 300W. But i think the whole box will power out, not freeze, if it was a power problem. Jonathan> but I haven't really got a huge amount in the machine - but Jonathan> again, why do the other OSes work fine? Yep, seems curious, but Unix don't use hardware in the same conditions as others OS. Try to change RAM to test... Quality of RAM banks is often subject to caution. -- Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1292712209 secondes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13:56:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9BC37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f47Mex301651; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:40:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:40:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Jonathan Belson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jonathan Belson wrote: > machine - but again, why do the other OSes work fine? Because they can't possibly push your hardware as hard as FreeBSD does. Adding an extra clock cycle of net delay in one little operation is all it might take to make one of these timing issues never show up on another OS. (Not to mention, they don't usually stay up long enough to find out. :) ) All of these people who are seeing the same type of crashing problem, are all probably using memory that just isn't up to snuff. I've seen this NUMEROUS times on Athlons (I use mainly A7Vx boards). EVERY SINGLE TIME, changing to truly good RAM (ie. Micron, perhaps Infineon), has cured the problem. Most Hyundai I've seen, for example, will run fine at 100 MHz in the Athlon, but not at 133 MHz, but will work fine in many other boards at 133 MHz. Of course, I can usually make Windows crash with the poor memory, too. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 13:58:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailfarm.ipfnet.net (mailfarm.ipfnet.net [195.211.129.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8133B37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 13:58:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ml-freebsd-stable@phobgate.de) Received: from [192.168.2.94] (router-195-211-129.ipfnet.net [195.211.129.1]) (authenticated as ab@ipfnet.net) by mailfarm.ipfnet.net (8.11.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f47KwRW84227; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:58:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:58:26 +0200 From: alex Reply-To: alex To: Alex M , FreeBSD STABLE Subject: Re: Adaptec 29160 Message-ID: <1433828906.989276306@[192.168.2.94]> In-Reply-To: <001e01c0d734$d04dba40$ea31fea9@parkson> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG i have a adaptec 39160 running under freebsd 4.2, no problems. i think this is the same card, just 2 scsi channels instead one. dmesg: ahc0: port 0xcc00-0xccff mem 0xdfffd000-0xdfffdfff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 aic7899: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs ahc1: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem 0xdffff000-0xdfffffff irq 11 at device 10.1 on pci0 aic7899: Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, 32/255 SCBs --On Montag, 7. Mai 2001 13:32 -0700 Alex M wrote: > > Hello All, > > I am currently running FreeBSD on an old box, and planning on to install > 4.2 on my new server-type box, which has Adaptec 29160 SCSI card, the > thing is that i've checked the hardware compatibility list and didnt find > this model in there, nor the official adaptec site offers drivers for > freebsd. > Is it true it will not work? If yes, I hope support for this card would > be available soon. > Best Regards, > Alex M. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14: 2:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9843337B422; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:02:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from simoeon.sentex.net (simeon.sentex.ca [209.112.4.47]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f47L2c391466; Mon, 7 May 2001 17:02:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010507164940.0240bbd0@marble.sentex.ca> X-Sender: mdtpop@marble.sentex.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:56:59 -0400 To: Nick Sayer From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/crypto/telnet/libtelnet sra.c src/etc pam.conf src/secure/libexec/telnetd Makefile src/secure/usr.bin/telnet Makefile Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200105072038.f47KceV89108@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 01:38 PM 5/7/01 -0700, Nick Sayer wrote: >nsayer 2001/05/07 13:38:40 PDT > Log: > Add PAM support to SRA authentication. Cribbed mostly from ftpd. This > doesn't solve the problem of root being allowed to log in, but that sort > of thing is something PAM should be doing anyway. Yikes, I didnt realize this. How can you disable root from logging in right now via telnet ? ---Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14: 3:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (babyviolence.com [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2681E37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:03:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: from bluenugget.net (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by bluenugget.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3281364C; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: jaco@teaser.fr From: Jason DiCioccio Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Originating-Ip: 63.93.9.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Jason DiCioccio Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:04:46 PST X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon X-Webmail-User: geniusj@bluenugget.net Message-Id: <20010507210446.7D3281364C@bluenugget.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Unfortunately my athlon is running windows .. (T-bird 1.2ghz).. I do however have similar problems under 2000.. (and any other OS i've tried on that machine).. The box will be going along fine and all of a sudden and then the monitor will just shut off.. Or another one, I'll be using it.. again, going along just fine.. everything will freeze up (except the mouse), if I keep clicking mouse repetitively the PC Speaker will emit a beep and then EVERYTHING completely locks up. As much as I would love to blame this on windows it seems more like some sort of hardware issue to me. I dont know if you're having similar symptoms under FreeBSD but it would be interesting to find out what is causing your problem since it might be what's causing my problem. I have tested my memory with various boot-floppy type ram testing utilities and it's come up clean (let it run all day). So I would love to find out exactly what's going on with yours :-).. Cheers, -JD- On 07 May 2001 22:48:44 +0200 Eric Jacoboni wrote: > >>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Belson writes: > > Jonathan> Are you using 133MHz ram? > > Yes, 133 SDRAM. > > Jonathan> Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large > Jonathan> and feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being > Jonathan> overstretched since it's 250W > > Mine is 300W. But i think the whole box will power out, not freeze, if > it was a power problem. > > Jonathan> but I haven't really got a huge amount in the machine - but > Jonathan> again, why do the other OSes work fine? > > Yep, seems curious, but Unix don't use hardware in the same > conditions as others OS. Try to change RAM to test... Quality of RAM > banks is often subject to caution. > -- > Éric Jacoboni, né il y a 1292712209 secondes > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14: 5:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from technokratis.com (modemcable049.41-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.203.41.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFE937B424 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmilekic@technokratis.com) Received: (from bmilekic@localhost) by technokratis.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f47L9rf86448; Mon, 7 May 2001 17:09:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bmilekic) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:09:53 -0400 From: Bosko Milekic To: Pekka Savola Cc: Luigi Rizzo , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] Message-ID: <20010507170953.A86359@technokratis.com> References: <200105070625.IAA93694@info.iet.unipi.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from pekkas@netcore.fi on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 09:41:40AM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 09:41:40AM +0300, Pekka Savola wrote: > > dummynet consumes 1 mbuf/cluster per queue entry, so if you only > > have one pipe as above that should not be a major problem. > > I can only think of some leak, e.g. caused by mishandling of > > ipfw reconfigurations, but have no specific example in mind -- > > in any case, if the problem is there, you should see the > > number of mbufs in use go up with time. > > This should be no problem, I think -- netstat -m does not show significant > increase in mbuf usage; both mbuf and mbuf cluster peaks are well below > the average (see the original message). > > Of course, there _could_ be a surge just before the crash for some odd > reason. If I re-enable dummynet, I'll put in a cron job to monitor this > along with 'ipfw -ta l' and 'ipfw pipe list'. Any other issues to look > for? Earlier this week (or last week) in a post mentionning this behavior I saw the `netstat -m' output and, as you mention, the problem is not due to an mbuf or mbuf cluster shortage. The output revealed a very significant amount of remaining space in the mb_map. However, you could be running out of physical pages, although this is very unlikely. Check memory usage with top(1) to be sure. If, as I am assuming, it is not the latter, then I can see one or both of two `predictable problems:' 1. Somewhere ENOBUFS is returned even though the shortage is not the result of an mbuf or cluster shortage, but of some other network resource. 2. Bad stuff is happening in concerned code leading to the returning of ENOBUFS justifiably, in the sense that returning ENOBUFS is the correct thing to do, but getting to the point where we have to return ENOBUFS is not. As for exactly which of the two it is, I have no idea. If you are able to get the system to panic or die, enable debugging and try to reproduce. > -- > Pekka Savola "Tell me of difficulties surmounted, > Netcore Oy not those you stumble over and fall" > Systems. Networks. Security. -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords -- Bosko Milekic bmilekic@technokratis.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:12: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD74B37B424 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:12:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f47MvCB01697; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:57:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:57:12 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: Chris BeHanna Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chris BeHanna wrote: > AMD specs a 400W power supply for a T-bird. I don't know why the > other OSes work fine, but I would not try much more in the Actually, the sticker says: "it is strongly recommended that at least a 200-watt ATX power supply be used for this motherboard. Make sure that your ATX power supply can supply at least 20 amperes on the +5-volt lead and 10mA on the +5-volt standby lead (+5VSB). Your system may become unstable / unreliable and may experience difficulty in powering up if your power supply is inadequate." In real life, the practical minimum is a GOOD QUALITY 250W supply. Most $20 $250 supplies aren't going to cut it, which is what has led to many people saying 300 or 400W is required. You can't use one of the dinky 150W supplies that come in most name-brand consumer PCs, even if it says it'll put out 18A on the +5. Don't trust what your supply says on the ratings label, folks. Use your head. I've seen 300W supplies (cheap ones) that can't actually put out anywhere near that in clean, usable power, when you watch it on an oscilliscope while testing. I test power supplies with variable loads while watching on a digital storage scope, with a trigger voltage set to take samples when the voltage moves away from the voltage under test. You'd be surprised how poorly many supplies fare. (Even some pricey ones) This is how I find acceptable models for our PCs and customer upgrades. I find those that are reasonably priced, but actually perform well. I've said this before several times on this list over the years... There's NO SUBSTITUTE FOR QUALITY HARDWARE! Especially things like the P/S! If you search the mailing lists, you'll find numerous sinilar problems, usually with a follow up that says, "Yup! It was my power supply!" :) Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:13:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (babyviolence.com [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0E4837B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:13:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: from bluenugget.net (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by bluenugget.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4E313634; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: veldy@veldy.net From: Jason DiCioccio Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Originating-Ip: 63.93.9.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Jason DiCioccio Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 13:14:37 PST X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon X-Webmail-User: geniusj@bluenugget.net Message-Id: <20010507211437.AC4E313634@bluenugget.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you have a URL or anything explaining why? Not that I dont believe you, I'm just very curious as to why it would matter with Athlons and not Intel for example. This might be the cause of my problem, but I'm curious as to why this would be the case first :). Thanks in advance, -JD- On Mon, 7 May 2001 14:24:52 -0500 "Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote: > It is pretty well know that you should not run an Athlon system with > generic > memory. Namebrand only. Micron is my recommendation. No problems > here on > my 600. ABIT KA7-100 motherboard. > > Tom Veldhouse > veldy@veldy.net > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:24:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C3B37B42C for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00573; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:24:37 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105072124.OAA00573@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <86vgncdgwj.fsf@titine.fr.eu.org> from Eric Jacoboni at "May 7, 1 10:48:44 pm" To: jaco@teaser.fr (Eric Jacoboni) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:24:37 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Eric Jacoboni wrote: > "Jonathan" == Jonathan Belson writes: > > Jonathan> Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large > Jonathan> and feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being > Jonathan> overstretched since it's 250W > > Mine is 300W. But i think the whole box will power out, not freeze, if > it was a power problem. Not necessarily. When a switching power supply gets over (or near) its limit, it starts generating ripple in the DC power lines. It doesn't shut down unless it has overload protection built in, and even then only if the overload is significant (like, 20%). -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:26:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC4F37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:26:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm88@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.114.151.37]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010507212631.EDCI627.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:26:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3AF71388.E0C2CAD8@home.com> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:28:40 -0400 From: cjm88@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Merryweather Cooper Cc: Wilko Bulte , Jonathan Belson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon References: <3AF6C7C3.DE4D6581@webmail.bmi.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As a 'heads up'... I recently put together an Athlon 1.13G machine with 256M PC133 CAS Latency 2 memory and the the system has been rock solid. The only surprise was that even with an ATA 100 drive it seemed that IO hurts the responsiveness of the system more than when I configure slower SCSI drives in. Anyways... there was reference to the cpu cooler being circular (maybe a Thermaltake Orb type)... there was an excellent review of different cooling fans at www.tomshardware.com and the Orbs didn't perform very well... something about to much turbulence around the cooling fins... It may be that on the system exhibiting problems, those problems are the result of thermal stress. John Merryweather Cooper wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > FWIW my Athlon 700 in an Abit KA7 (IIRC) is quite happy with > > 4.3 -stable > > > > Wilko > > > > So is my Duron 700 in a DFI AK74-EC . . . > > jmc > > > Hiya > > > > > > > > > I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > > > a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > > > > > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number > > > of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + > > > KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping > > > the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. > > > > > > Since it started happening a little while after I did > > > the hardware upgrade I did wonder if it was hardware > > > related, but the other OSes (Windows 2000 and BeOS 5) > > > have had no problems at all. > > > > > > Has anyone experienced anything similar? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > C-YA > > > Jon > > > > > > > > > > < SNIP > > > -- > > | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org > > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte http://www.freebsd.org > > http://www.nlfug.nl > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:31:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BC737B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wsa1-0002sX-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 09:30:09 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: , "John Merryweather Cooper" Cc: "Wilko Bulte" , "Jonathan Belson" , Subject: RE: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:29:47 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3AF71388.E0C2CAD8@home.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: As a 'heads up'... I recently put together an Athlon 1.13G :: machine with 256M :: PC133 CAS Latency 2 memory and the the system has been rock :: solid. The only :: surprise was that even with an ATA 100 drive it seemed that IO hurts the :: responsiveness of the system more than when I configure slower :: SCSI drives in. These could be VIA chip sets issues as well, especially the ATA 100 stuff. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:33:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F2837B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:33:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id OAA00644; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:33:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105072133.OAA00644@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: from Doug Russell at "May 7, 1 04:57:12 pm" To: drussell@saturn-tech.com (Doug Russell) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:33:21 -0700 (MST) Cc: behanna@zbzoom.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Doug Russell wrote: > "it is strongly recommended that at least a 200-watt ATX power supply > be used for this motherboard. Make sure that your ATX power supply > can supply at least 20 amperes on the +5-volt lead and 10mA on the > +5-volt standby lead (+5VSB). Your system may become unstable / > unreliable and may experience difficulty in powering up if your power > supply is inadequate." AMD has a certification program for power supplies. Check out http://www1.amd.com/athlon/power -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:50:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F8837B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f47Nb1v01822; Mon, 7 May 2001 17:37:02 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:37:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: Eric Jacoboni , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <200105072124.OAA00573@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chad R. Larson wrote: > > Jonathan> Yes, that's what seems strange. My heatsink is quite large > > Jonathan> and feels cool to touch. I'm wondering if my PSU is being > > Jonathan> overstretched since it's 250W > > > > Mine is 300W. But i think the whole box will power out, not freeze, if > > it was a power problem. > > Not necessarily. > > When a switching power supply gets over (or near) its limit, it > starts generating ripple in the DC power lines. It doesn't shut > down unless it has overload protection built in, and even then only > if the overload is significant (like, 20%). Yes. The overload protection in most supplies is just short circuit protection, and/or catastrophic failure protection for your MOBO. I've seen many fried motherboards from cheap supplies who catastrophically failed, but the catastrophic failure protection failed catastrophically! :) I've seens some supplies put out a nice flat DC line to well above their rated output, but introduce occasional nasty spikey noise or nasty drops. The noisy DC, and/or quick voltage drops, are both easily responsible for these types of crashing problems. The M/B doesn't have THAT much storage capactitance on it.... One other thing I neglected to mention before, is that all supplies of a given wattage rating are not even attempting to all be equal in the first place. Back in the day of 5.25" hard disks, you needed lots and lots of 12 volt. An old-school 230 Watt AT power supply likely was rated to put out about 23A of +5 (115W), 10-12A +12 (120-144W), the reset negative. I've seen ATX 150W supplies RATED everything from about 10A +5/3.3, with about 8A of +12 supply, to 18A on the +5v, and only 4A on the +12. This is why AMD states something like "OEMS might use a smaller power supply as they have tighter control over the individual components." Most modern machines with a single hard disk drawing perhaps .4A of +5, and .25A of +12, a CD-ROM, motherboard, etc, doesn't need a supply capable of 100 watts of 12 volt supply. Good luck when you want to install a burner or something, though. I think this practice of putting just barely-adequate supplies in machines is terrible. Current 250W and 300W supplies vary significantly. I've seen many supposedly 300W supplies that are only rated at 20-22A on the +5, others at 30A. Also watch the total power allowed on the combined +3.3/+5. I've seen (and laughed at) supplies that are rated 30A on the +5, but then say "total power of the 3.3 and 5 must not be greater than 120 Watts". Uhh... didn't you just say you could put out 150W of +5 ??? I'd have to test one of those to see if it was a typo (possible), or really poor engineering. :) Quality hardwarte, folks. Quality hardware. It doesn't have to cost a fortune, you just have to find the parts with the most 'bang for the buck.' That's what I do every day. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 14:54:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4866637B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 14:54:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f47NfRQ01841; Mon, 7 May 2001 17:41:27 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:41:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: "Chad R. Larson" Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <200105072133.OAA00644@freeway.dcfinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chad R. Larson wrote: > AMD has a certification program for power supplies. > > Check out > http://www1.amd.com/athlon/power Yes, however, trying to buy the exact models that are certified is usually very difficult for the individual consumer. Especially when so many manufacturers make like 10 different supplies. Other supplies not listed may work, of course, but use your head, folks. Followups should probably go to -chat. Feel free to cc to me, as I am not currently on the -chat list. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:35:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D71E37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:35:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p243-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.243]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19150 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:26:06 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:36:31 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Subject: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I came from Linux and at that time I used CFLAGS to optimize general programs and linux kernel. For example: [i686]: CFLAGS='-O9 -funroll-loops -ffast-math -malign-double -mcpu=pentiumpro - -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' [i586]: CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math -funroll-loops - -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem -fforce-addr -malign-double - -fno-exceptions' [i486]: CFLAGS='-O3 -funroll-all-loops -malign-double -mcpu=i486 -march=i486 - -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' Can I use CFLAGS on FreeBSD too? If I put the CFLAGS on /etc/defaults/make.conf, the kernel is affected by it? Does CFLAGS can optimize programs and kernel on FreeBSD OS? Thanks very much, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvcjeY8HcgpjoE/HEQLwEwCdGkqAoAsEhqb2KBhSFv3EaD0DiGQAoM7N JC4u5v+blgW3vTmLpZBGhsKn =RVZx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:36:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9E937B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p243-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.243]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19159 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:27:04 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:37:35 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Bridging + DHCP +cable modems Message-ID: <20010507232744.S508-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I'm about to configure a FreeBSD gateway with a cable modem connection. I use 2 ethernet interfaces, one for the ISP-cable modem and the other for the local network. In this case, I have to setup a BRIDGE so I can pass information between the 2 ethernet interfaces. Resuming, I should use DHCP to find my dynamic IP number and BRIDGE to give the possibilily of my local network can communicate with the Internet via the ethernet interface of cable modem. Please tell me if I'm right and then configure the server. Thanks in advance, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvcjs48HcgpjoE/HEQKmewCg4iCaXqbxJTYkNd07Q0Z5tXNwF/MAoOXq jB4PVqxCCpWpz0iI4hrGYZw9 =25Dx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:45:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.nortenet.pt (mar.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A45037B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:45:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from guilherme@nortenet.pt) Received: from nortenet.pt (v1-pppS50.nortenet.pt [212.13.32.50]) by mail.nortenet.pt (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f47Mhro25978; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:43:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3AF71796.9C7538AD@nortenet.pt> Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:45:58 +0100 From: Guilherme Oliveira X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: pt, pt-BR, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nuno Teixeira , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization References: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > [i586]: > CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math -funroll-loops > - -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem -fforce-addr -malign-double > - -fno-exceptions' -fno-exceptions gives a lot's of errors when compiling . []'s To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:48:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from crotus.sc.intel.com (scfdns02.sc.intel.com [143.183.152.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE56237B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:48:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by crotus.sc.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.36 2001/04/18 16:16:02 root Exp $) with ESMTP id WAA10957 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 22:48:04 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.14 2001/01/02 18:39:59 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA15313 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:48:03 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id SAA00671 for stable@freebsd.org; Mon, 7 May 2001 18:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200105072248.SAA00671@hip186.ch.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Reynolds~ To: Nuno Teixeira Subject: Re: Bridging + DHCP +cable modems In-Reply-To: <20010507232744.S508-100000@gateway.bogus> References: <20010507232744.S508-100000@gateway.bogus> X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under Emacs 20.7.2 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [freebsd.og doesn't quite exist ... fixing typo and sending this again] [ On Monday, May 7, Nuno Teixeira wrote: ] > > I'm about to configure a FreeBSD gateway with a cable modem connection. > > I use 2 ethernet interfaces, one for the ISP-cable modem and the > other for the local network. In this case, I have to setup a BRIDGE so I > can pass information between the 2 ethernet interfaces. > > Resuming, I should use DHCP to find my dynamic IP number and BRIDGE to > give the possibilily of my local network can communicate with the Internet > via the ethernet interface of cable modem. > I don't know about specifically setting up a bridge. I've got the same sort of setup at home, and I really didn't have to do much. The settings that make all this happen in my /etc/rc.conf are: gateway_enable="YES" # this makes the host a "bridge" as you describe it ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" # 1st NIC goes to cable modem ifconfig_fxp1="inet 192.168.1.3" # 2nd NIC bridges to the switch. use whatever # IP you care to here in the "allowed range" dhclient and the /etc/rc* scripts will take care of everything else for you so long as /etc/dhclient.conf is setup correctly. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, (space for rent, cheap!) | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:48:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bluenugget.net (babyviolence.com [64.3.150.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5BE37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:48:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from geniusj@bluenugget.net) Received: from bluenugget.net (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by bluenugget.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2611E13634; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com From: Jason DiCioccio Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG X-Originating-Ip: 63.93.9.98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Jason DiCioccio Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:49:22 PST X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization X-Webmail-User: geniusj@bluenugget.net Message-Id: <20010507224925.2611E13634@bluenugget.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001 23:36:31 +0100 (WEST) Nuno Teixeira wrote: > Hello to all, > > I came from Linux Welcome! > and at that time I used CFLAGS to optimize general > programs and linux kernel. > > For example: > > [i686]: > CFLAGS='-O9 -funroll-loops -ffast-math -malign-double -mcpu=pentiumpro > - -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' Geeze... No comment. [...] > > Can I use CFLAGS on FreeBSD too? If I put the CFLAGS on > /etc/defaults/make.conf, the kernel is affected by it? > Does CFLAGS can optimize programs and kernel on FreeBSD OS? > Yes, dont modify /etc/defaults/*, put changed lines into /etc/make.conf. /etc/defaults is there for reference and is not supposed to be modified (it is there to make upgrades easier). COPTFLAGS should actually be used for kernel, CFLAGS for ports and userland. Cheers, -JD- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:53:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailb.telia.com (mailb.telia.com [194.22.194.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DAA37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:53:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailb.telia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04642 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:53:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA20139 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:53:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 7601 invoked by uid 1001); 7 May 2001 22:53:03 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:53:03 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508005303.A7567@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:36:31PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:36:31PM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello to all, > > I came from Linux and at that time I used CFLAGS to optimize general > programs and linux kernel. > > For example: > > [i686]: > CFLAGS='-O9 -funroll-loops -ffast-math -malign-double -mcpu=pentiumpro > - -march=pentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' You do know that gcc doesn't have any optimization-level above -O3 ? It is therefore fairly pointless to specify stuff like -O4 or -O9 > > [i586]: > CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math -funroll-loops > - -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem -fforce-addr -malign-double > - -fno-exceptions' > > [i486]: > CFLAGS='-O3 -funroll-all-loops -malign-double -mcpu=i486 -march=i486 > - -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' It is pointless to use both -mcpu=X and -march=X since -march=X implies -mcpu=X. > > Can I use CFLAGS on FreeBSD too? If I put the CFLAGS on > /etc/defaults/make.conf, the kernel is affected by it? > Does CFLAGS can optimize programs and kernel on FreeBSD OS? > Yes, you can use CFLAGS on FreeBSD. For the kernel you should use COPTFLAGS instead. Don't modify /etc/defaults/make.conf. Use /etc/make.conf instead. Finally a warning: using -O2 and -O3 is known to produce bad code sometimes. If you compile with any optimization flags other than -O you should not expect to get much help if anything breaks. (Other than the advise to use a plain -O instead.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:53:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-108.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320FA37B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AB59E66D53; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 15:53:22 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010507155322.A69703@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:36:31PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:36:31PM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > Hello to all, >=20 > I came from Linux and at that time I used CFLAGS to optimize general > programs and linux kernel. >=20 > For example: >=20 > [i686]: > CFLAGS=3D'-O9 -funroll-loops -ffast-math -malign-double -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro > -march=3Dpentiumpro -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' This ridiculous level of optimization *will* give you problems (BTW, what exactly do you think -O9 is supposed to do in gcc? Nothing more than -O3, I think you'll find). You can only safely use this kind of optimization in individual programs which you have tested continue to work when compiled that way; gcc is just too broken for this to work in general. For a general compiler setting, -O is the most you should go if you don't want your binaries to break; the FreeBSD mailing lists are full of documented cases where this has been demonstrated. > Can I use CFLAGS on FreeBSD too? If I put the CFLAGS on > /etc/defaults/make.conf, the kernel is affected by it? > Does CFLAGS can optimize programs and kernel on FreeBSD OS? It's all documented in /etc/defaults/make.conf -- come back if you still have questions. Kris --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE69ydhWry0BWjoQKURAr3OAKCHEWDH5tleDQ+uA1MVuUtTbMQE+ACeKRZT tprrfK+dCICqjp+ZmZE1EbA= =A8qw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 15:54:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1813037B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 15:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p243-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.243]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19488; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:44:43 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:55:14 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Guilherme Oliveira Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: <3AF71796.9C7538AD@nortenet.pt> Message-ID: <20010507235112.P508-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Guilherme, OK. But I'd like to know if I should use CFLAGS in a OS like FreeBSD. I know that I have good optimizations on Linux, but I don't know if in FreeBSD is the same, and I'm afraid of putting the FreeBSD stability in risk. Thanks, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com On Mon, 7 May 2001, Guilherme Oliveira wrote: > Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > > > [i586]: > > CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math -funroll-loops > > - -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem -fforce-addr -malign-double > > - -fno-exceptions' > > -fno-exceptions gives a lot's of errors when compiling . > > []'s > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvcn2Y8HcgpjoE/HEQLy4QCgq9PJKm75Vqlj1hNQw/xNHh1zngwAoMXe LaYwcQCKeM42YC6VRMAK04wQ =6Cbd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 16:25: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD21A37B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:25:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wuN0-00030m-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 11:24:50 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Nuno Teixeira" , "Guilherme Oliveira" Cc: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:24:27 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010507235112.P508-100000@gateway.bogus> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: > Nuno Teixeira wrote: :: > > :: > > [i586]: :: > > CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math -funroll-loops :: > > - -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem -fforce-addr -malign-double :: > > - -fno-exceptions' -O2/-O3 turn on -fforce-mem; -march implies -mcpu; -fno-exceptions doesn't make anything run faster, and could break some C++ code; I've had bad experience with any optflags above -O on FreeBSD. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 16:30:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F75837B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:30:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:35:54 -0700 Message-ID: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54BDD@ecx1.edifecs.com> From: Michael VanLoon To: 'Juha Saarinen' , Nuno Teixeira , Guilherme Oliveira Cc: FreeBSD Stable Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:35:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha@saarinen.org] > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 4:24 PM > > :: > Nuno Teixeira wrote: > :: > > > :: > > [i586]: > :: > > CFLAGS='-O3 -mcpu=pentium -march=pentium -ffast-math > -funroll-loops > :: > > - -fomit-frame-pointer -fforce-mem -fforce-addr -malign-double > :: > > - -fno-exceptions' > > -O2/-O3 turn on -fforce-mem; > -march implies -mcpu; > -fno-exceptions doesn't make anything run faster, and could > break some C++ > code; > > I've had bad experience with any optflags above -O on FreeBSD. Actually, implying that -O3 causes potential problems _in_FreeBSD_ is a misnomer. GCC is essentially the same, no matter which platform it's running on, especially if they're all Intel based. Linux has the same potential to be bitten by badly-formed -O3 code as FreeBSD/NetBSD/Linux/BeOS/etc. does. The point is that GCC doesn't always generate correct code when heavy optimizations are turned on. Whether you've been bitten by that yet, or not, can often times vary depending on how hard you push your system and how closely you pay attention. It can sometimes turn up in very infrequent, subtle ways. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 16:34:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B1137B423 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 16:34:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14wuVx-00031D-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 11:34:05 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Michael VanLoon" , "Nuno Teixeira" , "Guilherme Oliveira" Cc: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:33:43 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <36F7B20351634E4FBFFE6C6A216B30D54BDD@ecx1.edifecs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: The point is that GCC doesn't always generate correct code when heavy :: optimizations are turned on. Another issue that I forgot to mention is that you'll get different results with different flavours of GCC... -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 17:26:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from one.net (ip-216-23-51-122.adsl.one.net [216.23.51.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC3CE37B424 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 17:26:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cokane@one.net) Received: (from cokane@localhost) by one.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f480hQA32652; Mon, 7 May 2001 20:43:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from cokane) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 20:43:26 -0400 From: Coleman Kane To: alex Cc: Alex M , FreeBSD STABLE Subject: Re: Adaptec 29160 Message-ID: <20010507204326.B32268@cokane.yi.org> References: <001e01c0d734$d04dba40$ea31fea9@parkson> <1433828906.989276306@[192.168.2.94]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <1433828906.989276306@[192.168.2.94]>; from ml-freebsd-stable@phobgate.de on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:58:26PM +0200 X-Vim: vim:tw=70:ts=4:sw=4 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a box running with a 29160 card at 160 MB/s on 4.2-RELEASE. It runs = very nicely. Make world is a simple task now... ooohhhh... alex had the audacity to say: >=20 > i have a adaptec 39160 running under freebsd 4.2, no problems. i think th= is=20 > is the same card, just 2 scsi channels instead one. >=20 > dmesg: > ahc0: port 0xcc00-0xccff mem=20 > 0xdfffd000-0xdfffdfff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 > aic7899: Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=3D7, 32/255 SCBs > ahc1: port 0xdc00-0xdcff mem=20 > 0xdffff000-0xdfffffff irq 11 at device 10.1 on pci0 > aic7899: Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=3D7, 32/255 SCBs >=20 >=20 > --On Montag, 7. Mai 2001 13:32 -0700 Alex M wro= te: >=20 > > > > Hello All, > > > > I am currently running FreeBSD on an old box, and planning on to install > > 4.2 on my new server-type box, which has Adaptec 29160 SCSI card, the > > thing is that i've checked the hardware compatibility list and didnt fi= nd > > this model in there, nor the official adaptec site offers drivers for > > freebsd. > > Is it true it will not work? If yes, I hope support for this card would > > be available soon. > > Best Regards, > > Alex M. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message >=20 --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE690EsERViMObJ880RAeLaAJ4wNFiis/ye7MVCCqLnKQ69kujO8QCfSB5d LHZSzIiffS0HlFIoK+LU6Gw= =HH3F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rJwd6BRFiFCcLxzm-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 19:16:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from grumpy.dyndns.org (user-24-214-76-217.knology.net [24.214.76.217]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2979037B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 19:16:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grumpy.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f482GgP28394; Mon, 7 May 2001 21:16:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from dkelly@grumpy.dyndns.org) Message-Id: <200105080216.f482GgP28394@grumpy.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jonathan Belson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: Message from Jonathan Belson of "Mon, 07 May 2001 16:31:51 BST." <3AF6BFE7.91C416ED@witchspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 21:16:41 -0500 From: David Kelly Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jonathan Belson writes: > Hiya > > > I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number > of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + > KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping > the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. 800 MHz Athlon and Asus A7V, plain old PC133 memory, unknown CAS (let the BIOS read it off the stick). This system would lockup usually 30 minutes into a heavy load such as "make -j4 buildworld", which is a 55 minute job. The variable time between freezes was such that it could complete about 1 in 5. Started surfing the BIOS config. The last thing I changed before finding stability said something about PCI 2.2 standard in the comments in the printed manual, said nothing on the screen. I disabled it as all my PCI cards are pre-2.2. System has been rock solid since. And I buildworld several times per week just to make sure. All the while running the dnetc client. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@hiwaay.net ===================================================================== The human mind ordinarily operates at only ten percent of its capacity -- the rest is overhead for the operating system. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 19:27:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EB137B422; Mon, 7 May 2001 19:27:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f47M6bZ36760; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:06:37 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:06:36 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: questions@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Weekly FAQ changes Message-ID: <20010507230636.A36257@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FreeBSD FAQ Updates The following changes have been made to the FreeBSD FAQ since 2001-4-30: Questions that have changed: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D I have an IBM Thinkpad in the A, T, or X series that FreeBSD installs= =20 on, but then the machine locks up on next boot. How can I solve this? http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#BOOT-ON-THINKPAD Last change: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1= /books/faq/book.sgml?rev=3D1.187&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup I'm having problems setting up my printer. http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/book.html#PRINTER-SETUP Last change: http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1= /books/faq/book.sgml?rev=3D1.188&content-type=3Dtext/x-cvsweb-markup This is a weekly service. Updates will be posted to the FreeBSD -questio= ns and -stable mailing lists sometime every Monday. As always, you can read the complete FAQ at http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/ --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjr3HGwACgkQk6gHZCw343VygwCeLPMNs3IAaEvzO6w4tHnraYqJ EzsAn2oYtEWV1e0zY6ok2suFdMIRqopP =JQCF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 21:35: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from joliet.groenquist.com (cx707588-b.santab1.ca.home.com [65.5.150.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B30C37B422; Mon, 7 May 2001 21:34:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by joliet.groenquist.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f484Yct13643; Mon, 7 May 2001 21:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 21:34:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Groener Reply-To: Matt Groener To: Paul Murphy Cc: jacol@ids.gda.pl, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load In-Reply-To: <3AF5B8C2.9020306@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have been trying to get anyone to respond to this issue as well. I have offered both my time and the fact that I own many many Mylex cards and would be happy to test, mail them out, perform magic tricks, etc., to get some assistance. Greg Loomis (of vinum fame) helped me out with a problem with Mylex RAID's and vinum, only to have it fail again at this point. (He is not responsible for this error or Mylex drivers; I only mention this because he bailed me out last minute and then I still got stuck with this driver issue, which was a bummer for me). The problem is confirmed to not be present at 4.2-RELEASE. I have back-ported Greg's fix for 4.2-RELEASE to get around the Mylex problem for the time being. I am not using the Mylex card as a boot device if that is of concern. I only have Mylex cards with 2.73 firmware or lower (they are mostly scavenged cards from Alpha's now running in Intel chassis). It is possible that others do not experience with problem with other Mylex cards besides the 960's, or with newer firmware. Anyone comment on what has changed, or can the Mylex driver maintainer (looks to be msmith?) offer any thoughts for us stuck with cards that no longer work? Thanks, -matt On Sun, 6 May 2001, Paul Murphy wrote: > Jacek Jêdrzejczak wrote: > > > > > mlx0: DAC96PL, 2 channels, firmware 2.73-0-00, 4MB > > mlxd0: on mlx0 > > mlxd0: 20335MB (41646080 sectors) RAID 5 (online) > > > > No matter which installation process i choose (floppies - kern.flp & > > mfsroot.flp or bootable cd) i always get this error message: > > > > > > bus_dmamap_load: Too many segs! buf_len = 0xaa0 > > mlx0: I/O error - attempt to write beyond end of drive > > > > I have the exact same machine with the exact same problem! > > I sure would like to know the answer too. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 21:52:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC9737B422; Mon, 7 May 2001 21:52:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tadayuki@mediaone.net) Received: from photoniii (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.67.188]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f484qDx29482; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 01:02:36 -0400 From: Tadayuki OKADA To: stable@freebsd.org, msmith@freebsd.org Subject: What's the conclusion? (was soft update should be default) Message-Id: <20010508010236.30ada34b.tadayuki@mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <200105050142.f451gsl05388@mass.dis.org> References: <20010504205142.1a7013e6.tadayuki@mediaone.net> <200105050142.f451gsl05388@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.64 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 04 May 2001 18:42:54 -0700 Mike Smith wrote: > > Why 'soft update' is not default? > > It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces > performance (significantly). If this is the only problem, I think softupdates should be the default. Because: 'write caching' is not the default. Anyone who wants it can disable softupdates. Besides it seems 'write caching' is not recommended for the usual usage. If you have other resons not to do so, could you please explain it? -- Tadayuki OKADA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Mon May 7 23:19:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD49537B422 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (warez.scriptkiddie.org [209.162.142.38]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2077962D01 for ; Mon, 7 May 2001 23:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:21:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: <20010507112335U.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: <20010507231908.I10885-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've got a K7T900 in a Asus K7M (100MHz FSB) and 4.3 works fine. I keep getting errors about not being able to build some rc4 file when i do a buildkernel, but that's probably not hardware related... On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > Odd. What sort of LISP environment are you running? I've got 4.3 > running on my 900MHz Athlon + ASUS K7 motherboard and it works great > and has for a long time. Are you running a custom kernel > configuration? > > - Jordan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 0:52:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E78337B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f487nsB59058; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:49:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Matt Groener Cc: Paul Murphy , , , Subject: Re: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm, I just went through all of the mlx related files and none of them changed between 4.2-RELEASE and 4.3-RELEASE. So it looks like there is something more sinister going on. -gordon On Mon, 7 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > I have been trying to get anyone to respond to this issue as well. > I have offered both my time and the fact that I own many many Mylex > cards and would be happy to test, mail them out, perform magic > tricks, etc., to get some assistance. > > Greg Loomis (of vinum fame) helped me out with a problem with > Mylex RAID's and vinum, only to have it fail again at this point. > (He is not responsible for this error or Mylex drivers; I only > mention this because he bailed me out last minute and then I still > got stuck with this driver issue, which was a bummer for me). > The problem is confirmed to not be present at 4.2-RELEASE. I have > back-ported Greg's fix for 4.2-RELEASE to get around the Mylex > problem for the time being. > > I am not using the Mylex card as a boot device if that is of concern. > > I only have Mylex cards with 2.73 firmware or lower (they are mostly > scavenged cards from Alpha's now running in Intel chassis). It is possibl= e > that others do not experience with problem with other Mylex cards besides > the 960's, or with newer firmware. > > Anyone comment on what has changed, or can the Mylex driver maintainer > (looks to be msmith?) offer any thoughts for us stuck with cards that no > longer work? > > Thanks, > -matt > > > On Sun, 6 May 2001, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > Jacek J=EAdrzejczak wrote: > > > > > > > > mlx0: DAC96PL, 2 channels, firmware 2.73-0-00, 4MB > > > mlxd0: on mlx0 > > > mlxd0: 20335MB (41646080 sectors) RAID 5 (online) > > > > > > No matter which installation process i choose (floppies - kern.flp & > > > mfsroot.flp or bootable cd) i always get this error message: > > > > > > > > > bus_dmamap_load: Too many segs! buf_len =3D 0xaa0 > > > mlx0: I/O error - attempt to write beyond end of drive > > > > > > > I have the exact same machine with the exact same problem! > > > > I sure would like to know the answer too. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 0:57:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-108.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F87E37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:57:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C885967AF7; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 00:57:53 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: Guilherme Oliveira , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508005753.A87660@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3AF71796.9C7538AD@nortenet.pt> <20010507235112.P508-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010507235112.P508-100000@gateway.bogus>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:55:14PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 11:55:14PM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > Hi Guilherme, >=20 > OK. But I'd like to know if I should use CFLAGS in a OS like FreeBSD. I > know that I have good optimizations on Linux, but I don't know if > in FreeBSD is the same, and I'm afraid of putting the FreeBSD stability in > risk. The risk is the same in Linux; they both use gcc, and it's gcc which has the optimizer bugs. It's more common to use absurd gcc optimizations in the Linux community for some reason (perhaps they're used to code misbehaving, so additional brokenness from the gcc doesn't add much ;-) Just Say No. Kris --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE696cBWry0BWjoQKURAgYpAJ4qSFiAu+9uHfzBTmoyOmK4NYNpJgCgsE3C QjiZy3fYUPJ53ZF/tvH7NIM= =JCt5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WIyZ46R2i8wDzkSu-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 0:59:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCEF37B422; Tue, 8 May 2001 00:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4885Ji01622; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:05:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105080805.f4885Ji01622@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: Matt Groener , Paul Murphy , jacol@ids.gda.pl, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 May 2001 00:49:54 PDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:05:19 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hmm, I just went through all of the mlx related files and none of them > changed between 4.2-RELEASE and 4.3-RELEASE. So it looks like there is > something more sinister going on. This is a known problem. I don't know what's up, and I can't reproduce = it (as I don't have any of these cards). I suspect that it may be an = issue with non-page-aligned I/O and the very limited scatter-gather that = these cards support. You might try overriding the assignment in mlx_disk.c: 279 dsk->si_iosize_max =3D imin(s1, s2); = = and change it to eg. (8 * PAGE_SIZE) instead to see if this masks the = problem. > -gordon > = > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > = > > I have been trying to get anyone to respond to this issue as well. > > I have offered both my time and the fact that I own many many Mylex > > cards and would be happy to test, mail them out, perform magic > > tricks, etc., to get some assistance. > > > > Greg Loomis (of vinum fame) helped me out with a problem with > > Mylex RAID's and vinum, only to have it fail again at this point. > > (He is not responsible for this error or Mylex drivers; I only > > mention this because he bailed me out last minute and then I still > > got stuck with this driver issue, which was a bummer for me). > > The problem is confirmed to not be present at 4.2-RELEASE. I have > > back-ported Greg's fix for 4.2-RELEASE to get around the Mylex > > problem for the time being. > > > > I am not using the Mylex card as a boot device if that is of concern.= > > > > I only have Mylex cards with 2.73 firmware or lower (they are mostly > > scavenged cards from Alpha's now running in Intel chassis). It is pos= sible > > that others do not experience with problem with other Mylex cards bes= ides > > the 960's, or with newer firmware. > > > > Anyone comment on what has changed, or can the Mylex driver maintaine= r > > (looks to be msmith?) offer any thoughts for us stuck with cards that= no > > longer work? > > > > Thanks, > > -matt > > > > > > On Sun, 6 May 2001, Paul Murphy wrote: > > > > > Jacek J=EAdrzejczak wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > mlx0: DAC96PL, 2 channels, firmware 2.73-0-00, 4MB > > > > mlxd0: on mlx0 > > > > mlxd0: 20335MB (41646080 sectors) RAID 5 (online) > > > > > > > > No matter which installation process i choose (floppies - kern.fl= p & > > > > mfsroot.flp or bootable cd) i always get this error message: > > > > > > > > > > > > bus_dmamap_load: Too many segs! buf_len =F0xaa0 > > > > mlx0: I/O error - attempt to write beyond end of drive > > > > > > > > > > I have the exact same machine with the exact same problem! > > > > > > I sure would like to know the answer too. > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > = > = > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message -- = =2E.. every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1: 1:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088A637B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:01:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x2QZ-0003Pz-01; Tue, 08 May 2001 20:01:03 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Kris Kennaway" , "Nuno Teixeira" Cc: "Guilherme Oliveira" , "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:00:34 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010508005753.A87660@xor.obsecurity.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: The risk is the same in Linux; they both use gcc, and it's gcc which :: has the optimizer bugs. It's more common to use absurd gcc :: optimizations in the Linux community for some reason (perhaps they're :: used to code misbehaving, so additional brokenness from the gcc :: doesn't add much ;-) :: :: Just Say No. Hrrmm... that's tantamount to saying Linux and FreeBSD has a fundamentally b0rken compiler. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1: 5:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1585C37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:05:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f488AYi01702; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:10:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105080810.f488AYi01702@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , "Nuno Teixeira" , "Guilherme Oliveira" , "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 May 2001 20:00:34 +1200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:10:34 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > :: The risk is the same in Linux; they both use gcc, and it's gcc which > :: has the optimizer bugs. It's more common to use absurd gcc > :: optimizations in the Linux community for some reason (perhaps they're > :: used to code misbehaving, so additional brokenness from the gcc > :: doesn't add much ;-) > :: > :: Just Say No. > > Hrrmm... that's tantamount to saying Linux and FreeBSD has a fundamentally > b0rken compiler. It would be more accurate to say that Linux and FreeBSD have a compiler with optimiser bugs, but that's widely known. Don't sound so surprised. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1: 9: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD2A37B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x2YF-0003QH-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 20:08:59 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , "Nuno Teixeira" , "Guilherme Oliveira" , "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:08:31 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105080810.f488AYi01702@mass.dis.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: It would be more accurate to say that Linux and FreeBSD have a compiler :: with optimiser bugs, but that's widely known. Don't sound so :: surprised. 8) Heh, no, I'm not surprised, but I think the truth is probably inbetween... maybe the code fed to the compiler isn't always as perfect as it should be. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:11:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com [209.247.77.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DFC37B422; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gordont@bluemtn.net) Received: from localhost (gordont@localhost) by sdmail0.sd.bmarts.com (8.11.3/8.11.2/BMA1.1) with ESMTP id f488AAi60164; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 01:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Gordon Tetlow X-X-Sender: To: Mike Smith Cc: Matt Groener , Paul Murphy , , , Subject: Re: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load In-Reply-To: <200105080805.f4885Ji01622@mass.dis.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 8 May 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > This is a known problem. I don't know what's up, and I can't reproduce > it (as I don't have any of these cards). I suspect that it may be an > issue with non-page-aligned I/O and the very limited scatter-gather that > these cards support. > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > > > > > I have been trying to get anyone to respond to this issue as well. > > > I have offered both my time and the fact that I own many many Mylex > > > cards and would be happy to test, mail them out, perform magic > > > tricks, etc., to get some assistance. Perhaps you and Matt can coordinate since he seems willing to give up a card for a while? Don't want to impose, but if you have time (a scarce resource for sure) to take a look, I know that at least 2 people would be grateful. -gordon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:13:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2106337B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 1117 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 08:11:42 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (24.154.37.140) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 8 May 2001 08:11:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3AF7AA9E.C1DB678A@cvzoom.net> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 04:13:18 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Smith Cc: Juha Saarinen , Kris Kennaway , Nuno Teixeira , Guilherme Oliveira , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization References: <200105080810.f488AYi01702@mass.dis.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Smith wrote: > It would be more accurate to say that Linux and FreeBSD have a compiler > with optimiser bugs, but that's widely known. Don't sound so surprised. 8) Don't all compilers have optimization bugs? I mean, if they didn't, then they'd probably just optimize the code without you asking. I think Borland C++ (3.0-5.0) used to have some optimization bugs. You know what the best optimization is? Replacing those bubble sorts with quicksorts, etc. Basically, optimization levels above -O are not supported, so if you have problems, it's not our fault. 8-) Basically, stay away from optimizations with mission-critical stuff such as the kernel and userland. For ports, it's OK. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:19: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CC437B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:19:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x2hw-0003R4-01; Tue, 08 May 2001 20:19:00 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Donn Miller" , "Mike Smith" Cc: "Kris Kennaway" , "Nuno Teixeira" , "Guilherme Oliveira" , "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:18:32 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <3AF7AA9E.C1DB678A@cvzoom.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Basically, optimization levels above -O are not supported, so if you :: have problems, it's not our fault. 8-) Basically, stay away from :: optimizations with mission-critical stuff such as the kernel and :: userland. For ports, it's OK. Even though the kernel and userland might be the bits that would benefit the most from optimisations? -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:19:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.clarotech.co.za (falcon.clarotech.co.za [196.36.164.155]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAC037B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:19:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from TonyR@clarotech.co.za) Received: from jaguar.clarotech.co.za (jaguar.clarotech.co.za [192.168.250.2]) by falcon.clarotech.co.za (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f488JCx15454 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:19:12 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from TonyR@clarotech.co.za) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Termcap question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:19:11 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4397.0 Message-ID: <9EE3CF3AD1A3944BA070B48EC8E5264002F392@jaguar.clarotech.co.za> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Termcap question Thread-Index: AcDXl4/dzD6Ppxn2QPKMz7vnpGrwdQ== From: "Tony Russell" To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I use SCO Termlite to access a number of FreeBSD systems. The best emulation is to set TERM=3Dscoansi. I then receive the following message from time to time - specifically after logging in and after "su". "TERMCAP", line 0, terminal 'scoansi': remove_clock but no display_clock I can fix this by removing the RC tag from /usr/share/misc/termcap and rebuilding the database with cap_mkdb but the change to termcap returns when I installworld. There is no SC tag in termcap and I do not know what it should be set to. Any ideas why this message is printed - TERM=3Dcons25 or TERM=3Dansi = does not produce this message, but the emulation for SCO Termlite is not exactly correct Any info will be appreciated! __________________________________________________ Antony Russell (TonyR@Clarotech.co.za) Technical Director - Clarotech Consulting (Pty) Ltd Tel: (021) 671-5350; Fax: (021) 671-9656; Cell: (083) 264-0107 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:32:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E7A37B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f488TG377330; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:29:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: juha@saarinen.org Cc: dmmiller@cvzoom.net, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@obsecurity.org, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: References: <3AF7AA9E.C1DB678A@cvzoom.net> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010508012916Q.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:29:16 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 29 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Juha Saarinen" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:18:32 +1200 > :: Basically, optimization levels above -O are not supported, so if you > :: have problems, it's not our fault. 8-) Basically, stay away from > :: optimizations with mission-critical stuff such as the kernel and > :: userland. For ports, it's OK. > > Even though the kernel and userland might be the bits that would benefit the > most from optimisations? You seem to be arguing from an odd perspective. Yes, gcc has optimizer bugs. Yes, you can trigger them easily at higher levels of optimization. Yes, it's even conceivable that some bits might benefit from higher optimization if it were also possible to invoke it more reliably. We know all of those things already, so what's the real question? Is the question "why aren't they fixed?" The easy and obvious answer to that is because nobody has fixed them and you should certainly feel free to dive on in since they obviously won't fix themselves and have been around for awhile. Is the question "should they be fixed?" Certainly, but see the previous Q&A. The next place this subject usually goes is "why don't we use something other than gcc?" Any and all actual attempts to do so is left as an exercise for the reader. Like riding a unicycle, it's not as easy as it looks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:32:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.zsea.zp.ua (ZSEA.zp.ua [212.8.40.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909D137B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:32:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from laa@laa.zp.ua) Received: (from laa@localhost) by mx1.zsea.zp.ua with œ id f488Vwr10471; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:31:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from laa@laa.zp.ua)œ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:31:58 +0300 From: Alexandr Listopad To: Peter Choe Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: trouble upgrading to 4.3 stable Message-ID: <20010508113158.A10201@laa.zp.ua> References: <3AF2CE85.4ACBE91C@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3AF2CE85.4ACBE91C@mindspring.com>; from choepete@mindspring.com on Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:45:09AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 11:45:09AM -0400, Peter Choe wrote: > i have 3.5 stable on my machine right now. > > i have cvsup'ed the source tree for 4.3 stable. > > but when i go to do make buildworld -DNOPERL, i get the following error: > > ... > c++ -I usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include/g++ -O -pipe > -I/usr/obj/src/i386/usr/include > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/lib > -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/ -c > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc > > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:80 warning: > 'catch', 'throw', and 'try' are all C++ reserved words > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc: In > function 'void operator delete(void *)': > /usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/gperf/../../../contrib/gperf/src/new.cc:82: > declarationof 'operator delete(void *)' throws different exceptions... > :82: ...from previous declaration here > *** Error code 1 > > Stop. > .... > > any suggestions? Try to upgrade to 4.1.1-RELEASE first, and only after that upgrade to RELENG_4 (4.3-ST). Good Luck! -- Laa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:38: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from subnet.sub.net (subnet.sub.net [212.227.14.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBF137B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:38:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org) Received: from lyxys.ka.sub.org (uucp@localhost) by subnet.sub.net (8.8.8/8.8.8/1.2subnet-linux) with bsmtp id KAA22868; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:37:57 +0200 Received: from localhost (1463 bytes) by lyxys.ka.sub.org via sendmail with P:stdio/R:smart_host/T:inet_uusmtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:35:15 +0200 (CEST) (Smail-3.2.0.111 2000-Feb-17 #1 built 2000-Aug-23) Message-Id: From: wolfgang@lyxys.ka.sub.org (Wolfgang Zenker) Subject: Re: What's the conclusion? (was soft update should be default) In-Reply-To: <20010508010236.30ada34b.tadayuki@mediaone.net> "from Tadayuki OKADA at May 8, 2001 01:02:36 am" To: Tadayuki OKADA Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Cc: stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL88 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, > > > Why 'soft update' is not default? > > > It adds performance and stability, doesn't it? > > It requires disabling of write caching, which typically reduces > > performance (significantly). > If this is the only problem, I think softupdates should be the default. > Because: > 'write caching' is not the default. Anyone who wants it can disable softupdates. > Besides it seems 'write caching' is not recommended for the usual usage. > If you have other resons not to do so, could you please explain it? softupdates has a problem if you replace lots of files on small filesystems. If you delete a file on a file system with soft updates enabled, the free space is committed back to the file system only some time later. Now if you run a installworld with default slice sizes you could run into problems cause the replaced files still take up room on your disk for some time while you need the space for your new files. Wolfgang To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 1:39:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE5037B50C for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:39:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f488Tii01959; Tue, 8 May 2001 01:29:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105080829.f488Tii01959@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 May 2001 20:18:32 +1200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:29:44 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > :: Basically, optimization levels above -O are not supported, so if you > :: have problems, it's not our fault. 8-) Basically, stay away from > :: optimizations with mission-critical stuff such as the kernel and > :: userland. For ports, it's OK. > > Even though the kernel and userland might be the bits that would benefit the > most from optimisations? Let me say it again - the optimiser is BROKEN. Given perfectly valid input, it generates BAD CODE. It doesn't matter how much these parts of the system might benefit from it if it worked - it doesn't. End of story. OK? -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 2:39:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from myst.dohd.org (e194106.upc-e.chello.nl [213.93.194.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263D537B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 02:39:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maikel@myst.dohd.org) Received: by myst.dohd.org (Postfix, from userid 103) id 22A301E9F; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:39:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:39:18 +0200 From: Maikel Verheijen To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: IBM ServeRaid support Message-ID: <20010508113918.A14634@myst.dohd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi All! With my new netfinity X-series 330, I got an IBM ServeRaid 4L raid controller. Can anyone tell me if this card will be supported in the near future? (I already checked HARDWARE.TXT, just to see it wasn't supported yet) There are Linux drivers (source and binary) provided by IBM, but I am not that much of a coder :(. I can provide anyone interested with the source file, and I can test all driver patches... :) TIA, Maikel Verheijen There are a lot of crazy people in this world and I am only two or three of them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 2:41: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9A137B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 02:41:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f489f5B04423; Tue, 8 May 2001 02:41:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 02:41:04 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Maikel Verheijen Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM ServeRaid support Message-ID: <20010508024104.G18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010508113918.A14634@myst.dohd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010508113918.A14634@myst.dohd.org>; from maikel@myst.dyn.dohd.org on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 11:39:18AM +0200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Maikel Verheijen [010508 02:39] wrote: > Hi All! > > With my new netfinity X-series 330, I got an IBM ServeRaid 4L raid > controller. Can anyone tell me if this card will be supported in the near > future? (I already checked HARDWARE.TXT, just to see it wasn't supported > yet) There are Linux drivers (source and binary) provided by IBM, but I am > not that much of a coder :(. > > I can provide anyone interested with the source file, and I can test all > driver patches... :) Have you tried booting a machine with FreeBSD? Sometimes HARDWARE.TXT is out of date. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Daemon News Magazine in your snail-mail! http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 2:52:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF73337B422; Tue, 8 May 2001 02:52:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x4AG-0003UG-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 21:52:20 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:51:51 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105080829.f488Tii01959@mass.dis.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Let me say it again - the optimiser is BROKEN. Given perfectly valid :: input, it generates BAD CODE. It doesn't matter how much these parts of :: the system might benefit from it if it worked - it doesn't. End of :: story. OK? Is this documented anywhere? -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3: 3: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from clueless.redbus.aaisp.net (clueless.redbus.aaisp.net [213.161.73.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 11B4237B42C for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jon@witchspace.com) Received: from zebedee.innovision-group.com (HELO:witchspace.com) by clueless.redbus.aaisp.net for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 08 May 2001 10:33:38 +0100 Message-ID: <3AF7BD6F.1222911D@witchspace.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:33:35 +0100 From: Jonathan Belson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Nuno Teixeira , Guilherme Oliveira , FreeBSD Stable Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Juha Saarinen wrote: > -fno-exceptions doesn't make anything run faster, and could break some C++ > code; Disabling exceptions reportedly makes a fair difference for QT/KDE, although what will happen if an exception is thrown (eg. bad_alloc) is anyones guess. -- C-YA Jon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3: 3:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA9C37B5AF; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x4Ka-0003Vs-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 22:03:00 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: , , , , , Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:02:31 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010508012916Q.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: You seem to be arguing from an odd perspective. Well, the perspective, if there is any apart from general curiosity, is obscured by the lack of documentation. GCC has all these optimisations options, and you might be tempted to use them because obviously, you want to tune your set-up so it works errr... optimally. That can't be surprising to you or anyone else. :: We know all of those things already, so what's the real :: question? Is the question "why aren't they fixed?" The easy and :: obvious answer to that is because nobody has fixed them and you should :: certainly feel free to dive on in since they obviously won't fix :: themselves and have been around for awhile. Is the question "should :: they be fixed?" Certainly, but see the previous Q&A. Yes, but you must agree that this is a poorly documented area. If you look at the GCC documentation, it says that "optflag -x produces better code for processor/architecture Y". It's not so easy for people to work out which bits of the GCC documentation are bogus and which are not. If GCC optimisations are unequivocally bad, ie. not useful in any sense of the word, it might be an idea to patch the FreeBSD GCC so that it's not possible to use any optflags. :: The next place this subject usually goes is "why don't we use :: something other than gcc?" Any and all actual attempts to do so is :: left as an exercise for the reader. Like riding a unicycle, it's not :: as easy as it looks. Well, I never found riding a unicycle that hard, but I guess it's an individual experience and all that. ;-) It wouldn't hurt, I don't think, to have an alternative to GCC. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:10:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.fcg.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA3837B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.fcg.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14x41e-0003PI-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 10:43:26 +0100 To: ertr1013@student.uu.se, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: <20010508005303.A7567@student.uu.se> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 10:43:26 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You do know that gcc doesn't have any optimization-level above -O3 ? > It is therefore fairly pointless to specify stuff like -O4 or -O9 I suspect people dont know the difference between gcc and pgcc (which ends up being called 'gcc' on Linux I believe). pgcc does have optimisations up to O6 - http://www.goof.com/pcg/pgcc-faq.html#opts -pete. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:10:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-108.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B993937B424; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6B72D67AF7; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 03:10:01 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Juha Saarinen Cc: Jordan Hubbard , dmmiller@cvzoom.net, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@obsecurity.org, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508031001.A91590@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010508012916Q.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gKMricLos+KVdGMg" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:02:31PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:02:31PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Yes, but you must agree that this is a poorly documented area. If you look > at the GCC documentation, it says that "optflag -x produces better code f= or > processor/architecture Y". It's not so easy for people to work out which > bits of the GCC documentation are bogus and which are not. It's well documented in /etc/defaults/make.conf # CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. # Note that optimization settings above -O (-O2, ...) are not recommended # or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - please revert any # nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" before submitting bug reports # to the developers. # Note also that at this time the -O2 setting is known to produce BROKEN # CODE on the Alpha platform. > If GCC optimisations are unequivocally bad, ie. not useful in any sense of > the word, it might be an idea to patch the FreeBSD GCC so that it's not > possible to use any optflags. As already stated several times, they're not unequivocally bad; they're in fact very useful if used in controlled circumstances, i.e. where you test that the thing you're compiling still works as it should. They're bad when used unequivocally. > :: The next place this subject usually goes is "why don't we use > :: something other than gcc?" Any and all actual attempts to do so is > :: left as an exercise for the reader. Like riding a unicycle, it's not > :: as easy as it looks. >=20 > Well, I never found riding a unicycle that hard, but I guess it's an > individual experience and all that. ;-) >=20 > It wouldn't hurt, I don't think, to have an alternative to GCC. *sigh* Kris --gKMricLos+KVdGMg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE698X4Wry0BWjoQKURApSQAJ9jHSxJj/O+MazyqLNNYK0baX4WwwCguhXT YdawoXzeI/3qVKZ0fqBFgP4= =/WWn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gKMricLos+KVdGMg-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:16: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A43937B422; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:16:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x4Wr-0003Wd-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 22:15:41 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: "Jordan Hubbard" , , , , , Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:15:12 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010508031001.A91590@xor.obsecurity.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: It's well documented in /etc/defaults/make.conf :: :: # CFLAGS controls the compiler settings used when compiling C code. :: # Note that optimization settings above -O (-O2, ...) are not recommended :: # or supported for compiling the world or the kernel - please revert any :: # nonstandard optimization settings to "-O" before submitting bug reports :: # to the developers. :: # Note also that at this time the -O2 setting is known to produce BROKEN :: # CODE on the Alpha platform. This is "well documented"? It doesn't say *why* optflags above -O are bad. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:16:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from myst.dohd.org (e194106.upc-e.chello.nl [213.93.194.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F8037B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:16:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from maikel@myst.dohd.org) Received: by myst.dohd.org (Postfix, from userid 103) id AF5AD1E9F; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:16:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:16:55 +0200 From: Maikel Verheijen To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Maikel Verheijen , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IBM ServeRaid support Message-ID: <20010508121655.B14634@myst.dohd.org> References: <20010508113918.A14634@myst.dohd.org> <20010508024104.G18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010508024104.G18676@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:41:04AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 02:41:04AM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > Have you tried booting a machine with FreeBSD? Sometimes HARDWARE.TXT > is out of date. Yep, tried that too... Tried 4.3-release install, and even tried a 4.3-stable... wouldn't work :( > -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] > Daemon News Magazine in your snail-mail! http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ Groetjes, Maikel Verheijen There are a lot of crazy people in this world and I am only two or three of them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:19:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1C737B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:19:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f48AH9S04764; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 03:17:09 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Pete French Cc: ertr1013@student.uu.se, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508031708.I18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010508005303.A7567@student.uu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:43:26AM +0100 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Pete French [010508 03:10] wrote: > > You do know that gcc doesn't have any optimization-level above -O3 ? > > It is therefore fairly pointless to specify stuff like -O4 or -O9 > > I suspect people dont know the difference between gcc and pgcc (which ends up > being called 'gcc' on Linux I believe). pgcc does have optimisations up > to O6 - > > http://www.goof.com/pcg/pgcc-faq.html#opts I see at least one row where using -O3 turns on an option flagged as: "U" - Unstable. Not as problematic as D, but still there are some known problems with it. yikes. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Daemon News Magazine in your snail-mail! http://magazine.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:27:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D972237B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:27:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14x4f3-0003X6-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 22:24:09 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Pete French" , , Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:23:41 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: I suspect people dont know the difference between gcc and pgcc :: (which ends up :: being called 'gcc' on Linux I believe). pgcc does have optimisations up :: to O6 - :: :: http://www.goof.com/pcg/pgcc-faq.html#opts No, -O9 is a valid optflag, from 2.95.2 from what I can tell. - Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 3:38:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9710E37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 03:38:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id hccbaaaa for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 20:37:52 +1000 Message-ID: <3AF7CDEC.CF2CD24D@quake.com.au> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 20:43:56 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Help - Fatal Trap12's Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiyas, I have an old P166 with 32mb running as my gateway for my network... It has been running natd and ipfw (with only a few rules) for a while without any problems... But recently it has started to get panics and die... I usualy dont have a monitor pluged into it, but the two crashes I have seen were both fatal trap 12's in natd... This has only started happening with Tribes2 being played over the gateway, but that could just be coincidence or the load this puts on natd?... Anyone know what could be causing this? Nothing has changed on the machine in ages (its 4.0-Stable and hasnt moved since then), and this has just recently started happening... Anyway here is the latest crash: Fatal Trap 12: Page fault while in kernel mode Fault virtual address = 0x4b6d6e4a Faultcode = Supervisor read, page not present Instruction pointer = 0x8:0x4b6d6e4a Stack pointer = 0x10:0xc4acfd34 Frame pointer = 0x10:0xc4acfd54 Code Segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, sran 1 Processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL=0 Curret Process = 136 (natd) Interrupt mask = Trap number = 12 Panic: page fault Thanks for any help! Kal. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 7: 0:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kumquat.hlcca.org (kumquat.hlcca.org [209.244.192.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DA92B37B43C for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:00:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dakota@kumquat.hlcca.org) Received: (qmail 320 invoked by uid 143); 8 May 2001 09:59:16 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO kumquat.hlcca.org) (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 May 2001 09:59:16 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org From: lists@mediumgreen.com Subject: Re: Random (?) kernel panics In-Reply-To: Message from Kris Kennaway of "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:23:31 MST." <20010426132331.E2224@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 09:59:16 +0000 Message-Id: <20010508140009.DA92B37B43C@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I heard Kris Kennaway say: >On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:40:00AM +0000, lists@mediumgreen.com wrote: >>=20 >> FWIW, my 4.3-RC #1 machine has been panic'ing with the same message. It's >> happened twice now. I'm currently not saving cores, but will configure >> my machine to do so. I noticed yesterday before it happened that top >> was reporting nearly 100 MB free memory, but also that I had about 50MB >> of swap being used. I thought that was a little odd, but don't know >> enough about how things work to know if that is normal or not. I >> just had never noticed it before. > >Nothing wrong with that; it just means that at some point more free >memory was needed than available so something was pushed out to swap, >and it's stayed there because it hasn't been needed yet. > >Let the list know once you get the backtrace from your panic. I cvsup'd to the latest stable on Friday and installed a new kernel yesterday and got another panic with the same message (supervisor write, page not present). My panic's NEVER can complete sync'ing the disks, so I don't ever get core's. Jaime got a core from his pacnic's with the same message, though. Does anyone have any suggestions on what do next? This machine has been down for an average of 5 hours per week since this started happening - my users are getting kinda antsy (sp?). Thank you -matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 7: 2: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netrus.net (mail.netrus.net [206.251.192.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7A837B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troc@netrus.net) Received: from eyrie.homenet (whee@dialin-pm3-miami-FL-2-135.netrus.net [206.251.198.135]) by mail.netrus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA06652; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:01:47 -0400 Received: (from troc@localhost) by eyrie.homenet (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f48E1qh01599; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:01:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from troc) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 10:01:52 -0400 From: Rocco Caputo To: Doug Russell Cc: Jonathan Belson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Message-ID: <20010508100152.B934@eyrie.homenet> References: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from drussell@saturn-tech.com on Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:40:59PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had a problem with at Athlon-1000 HP machine (Pavilion 8860). It would run fine until I tried "make buildworld", and then it would freeze solid. This happened nearly every time, but it might take hours to hang the machine. Nothing else would kill it, though, and I tried a lot of things. Changing the RAM didn't help, and I tried six different modules (three 256MB pc133s; three 128MB pc100s) in a variety of combinations. I finally was able to reproduce the problem quickly and consistently with a small C program: 1. Allocate a 16MB chunk of memory, and strobe it constantly to keep it in physical memory. "strobe" is a function that increments every 256th byte to keep the region active. This strobed 16MB region is what finally made the testcase freeze the machine. Otherwise it would happily run for as long as I'd let it. 2. Allocate 50 chunks of memory, strobing the 16MB chunk after each malloc. 3. Fill each of the 50 memory chunks to swap them in, strobing the 16MB segment after each memset. 4. Free each of the 50 memory chunks, strobing the 16MB segment after each free. Repeat until the system stops responding. In my case, that's usually within 60 to 300 seconds. Yes, 1 to 5 minutes, sometimes a little longer, but a total system freeze every time. The Windows executable is at in case someone wants to try it. The file is under 16KB. By default, it allocates fifty 5MB chunks. All told, it's a little more than twice my machine's 128MB physical memory. The chunk size can be tweaked with a single integer argument. `hpdie 10` will allocate 10MB chunks (about 516MB total). `hpdie 0` will probably crash. :) I stupidly deleted the source, and the binary is for Windows, and the machine is on its way to a repair facility, so about all I can offer sourcewise is an untested rewrite from memory. Good luck. -- Rocco Caputo / troc@netrus.net / poe.perl.org / poe.sourceforge.net On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 04:40:59PM -0600, Doug Russell wrote: > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Jonathan Belson wrote: > > > machine - but again, why do the other OSes work fine? > > Because they can't possibly push your hardware as hard as FreeBSD does. > Adding an extra clock cycle of net delay in one little operation is all it > might take to make one of these timing issues never show up on another OS. > > (Not to mention, they don't usually stay up long enough to find out. :) ) > > All of these people who are seeing the same type of crashing problem, are > all probably using memory that just isn't up to snuff. > > I've seen this NUMEROUS times on Athlons (I use mainly A7Vx boards). > EVERY SINGLE TIME, changing to truly good RAM (ie. Micron, perhaps > Infineon), has cured the problem. Most Hyundai I've seen, for example, > will run fine at 100 MHz in the Athlon, but not at 133 MHz, but will work > fine in many other boards at 133 MHz. > > Of course, I can usually make Windows crash with the poor memory, too. > > Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 7:15: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694CB37B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA26217; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:14:13 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda26181; Tue May 8 07:13:55 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f48EDnb66893; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdi66891; Tue May 8 07:13:01 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f48ED2a22282; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105081413.f48ED2a22282@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdv22278; Tue May 8 07:12:37 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Mike Smith" , "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 May 2001 21:51:51 +1200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 07:12:37 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message , "Juha Saarinen" wr ites: > :: Let me say it again - the optimiser is BROKEN. Given perfectly valid > :: input, it generates BAD CODE. It doesn't matter how much these parts of > :: the system might benefit from it if it worked - it doesn't. End of > :: story. OK? > > Is this documented anywhere? I think you're asking the wrong crowd. Your question should be posted on a GCC forum. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 7:20:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fwall.in.markiza.sk (fwall.in.markiza.sk [195.168.51.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8328037B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oryon@w3design.sk) Received: from oryon (oryon.in.markiza.sk [192.168.213.3] (may be forged)) by fwall.in.markiza.sk (8.11.1/8.11.2) with SMTP id f48EM3326865; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:22:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oryon@w3design.sk) Message-ID: <004a01c0d7ca$1329dc50$03d5a8c0@oryon> From: "Vladislav Konecny" To: "Maikel Verheijen" , References: <20010508113918.A14634@myst.dohd.org> Subject: Re: IBM ServeRaid support Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:20:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maikel Verheijen" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: IBM ServeRaid support > Hi All! > > With my new netfinity X-series 330, I got an IBM ServeRaid 4L raid > controller. Can anyone tell me if this card will be supported in the near > future? (I already checked HARDWARE.TXT, just to see it wasn't supported > yet) There are Linux drivers (source and binary) provided by IBM, but I am > not that much of a coder :(. > > I can provide anyone interested with the source file, and I can test all > driver patches... :) I tried put this question in this mailing list before one year and all answers were NO :) If i can advise you, try some other RAID controller. I've tested the Adaptec's 3200S (with PCI64 slot) and it works fine and drivers are supported over the one year and it's very stable. Vladislav Konecny To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 7:52:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from veldy.net (w028.z064001117.msp-mn.dsl.cnc.net [64.1.117.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7723237B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 07:52:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from veldy@veldy.net) Received: from HP2500B (fuggle.veldy.net [64.1.117.28]) by veldy.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B3B15BAA2; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:50:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009c01c0d7ce$3c7f1490$3028680a@tgt.com> From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" To: "Rocco Caputo" , "Doug Russell" Cc: "Jonathan Belson" , References: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> <20010508100152.B934@eyrie.homenet> Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:50:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can you post that C-program? Tom Veldhouse veldy@veldy.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocco Caputo" To: "Doug Russell" Cc: "Jonathan Belson" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon > I had a problem with at Athlon-1000 HP machine (Pavilion 8860). It > would run fine until I tried "make buildworld", and then it would > freeze solid. This happened nearly every time, but it might take > hours to hang the machine. Nothing else would kill it, though, and I > tried a lot of things. > > Changing the RAM didn't help, and I tried six different modules (three > 256MB pc133s; three 128MB pc100s) in a variety of combinations. > > I finally was able to reproduce the problem quickly and consistently > with a small C program: > > 1. Allocate a 16MB chunk of memory, and strobe it constantly to keep > it in physical memory. "strobe" is a function that increments every > 256th byte to keep the region active. This strobed 16MB region is > what finally made the testcase freeze the machine. Otherwise it would > happily run for as long as I'd let it. > > 2. Allocate 50 chunks of memory, strobing the 16MB chunk after each > malloc. > > 3. Fill each of the 50 memory chunks to swap them in, strobing the > 16MB segment after each memset. > > 4. Free each of the 50 memory chunks, strobing the 16MB segment after > each free. > > Repeat until the system stops responding. In my case, that's usually > within 60 to 300 seconds. Yes, 1 to 5 minutes, sometimes a little > longer, but a total system freeze every time. > > The Windows executable is at in > case someone wants to try it. The file is under 16KB. By default, it > allocates fifty 5MB chunks. All told, it's a little more than twice > my machine's 128MB physical memory. The chunk size can be tweaked > with a single integer argument. `hpdie 10` will allocate 10MB chunks > (about 516MB total). `hpdie 0` will probably crash. :) > > I stupidly deleted the source, and the binary is for Windows, and the > machine is on its way to a repair facility, so about all I can offer > sourcewise is an untested rewrite from memory. > > Good luck. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 8: 1: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32CB037B42C for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:00:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mixtim@home.com) Received: from cg392862-a.adubn1.nj.home.com ([65.2.79.221]) by femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010508150056.GVNU6845.femail10.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cg392862-a.adubn1.nj.home.com> for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:00:56 -0700 Received: (from mixtim@localhost) by cg392862-a.adubn1.nj.home.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f48F0tO14491 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:00:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mixtim) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:00:55 -0400 From: Mixtim To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: ssh MFC Message-ID: <20010508110055.A14383@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Will the recent openssh commit be MFC'd to STABLE sometime this week? (please) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 8: 8:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD68937B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:08:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id IAA26975; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:08:34 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda26973; Tue May 8 08:08:29 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f48F8O667281; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdN67279; Tue May 8 08:08:04 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f48F83022521; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105081508.f48F83022521@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdZ22516; Tue May 8 08:07:53 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: David Kelly Cc: Jonathan Belson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 07 May 2001 21:16:41 CDT." <200105080216.f482GgP28394@grumpy.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 08:07:53 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200105080216.f482GgP28394@grumpy.dyndns.org>, David Kelly writes: > Jonathan Belson writes: > > Hiya > > > > > > I recently upgraded my machine to a 1.2GHz Athlon on > > a ABit KT7A motherboard, with 256MB RAM. > > > > Unfortunately I've started been experiencing a number > > of complete lock-ups when running FreeBSD (X3.3.6 + > > KDE 2.1.1) - it abruptly freezes, I can't even ping > > the machine. Nothing in the logfiles gives any hints. > > 800 MHz Athlon and Asus A7V, plain old PC133 memory, unknown CAS (let > the BIOS read it off the stick). This system would lockup usually 30 > minutes into a heavy load such as "make -j4 buildworld", which is a 55 > minute job. The variable time between freezes was such that it could > complete about 1 in 5. > > Started surfing the BIOS config. The last thing I changed before finding > stability said something about PCI 2.2 standard in the comments in the > printed manual, said nothing on the screen. I disabled it as all my PCI > cards are pre-2.2. System has been rock solid since. And I buildworld > several times per week just to make sure. All the while running the > dnetc client. When I purchased my PIII/933 on an ASUS CUSL2-C board, the system would hang hard. During most of the hangs the LED connected to the AHA-2940UW was lit. I was able to reproduce the hang 1 out of every 3 by using the external SCSI Zip-100 drive, though I/O to other devices on the SCSI bus would hang the system too (not as reproducible as I/O to the Zip drive). I discovered a web page at scsifaq.org that claimed that the 2940 and 100 MHz FSB (the CUSL2-C has a 133 MHz FSB) were incompatible, causing hard hangs, leading me to consider this a PCI problem. Disabling PCI 2.1 (reverting to PCI 2.0) in the BIOS solved the problem, no hangs since. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 8:26:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from the.oneinsane.net (the.oneinsane.net [66.42.61.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 040E937B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:26:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blovett@venus.n2.net) Received: from venus.n2.net (unknown [165.24.156.101]) by the.oneinsane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091069BA2; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by venus.n2.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EE83E15E; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:26:25 -0700 From: Ben Lovett To: Wayne Pascoe Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop on 2 networks - solutions ? Message-ID: <20010508082625.A1047@bsdguru.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 03:50:24PM +0100 X-Organization: San Diego BSD Users Group [http://www.sdbug.org] X-Disclaimer: All messages are the opinion of my employer.. They just don't know it yet. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD venus 4.3-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (99% of Full) X-GPG-Key: http://www.oneinsane.net/~blovett/blovett.pgp X-GPG-Fingerprint: C75F A722 1518 03B8 26C3 77A1 7C76 8AFA EBAB 2004 X-Uptime: 8:23AM up 45 mins, 5 users, load averages: 0.15, 0.14, 0.14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You can try pccard-site .. It works extrememly well for me, and a lot of other people who use it =) http://www.sdbug.org/download.php?op=mydown&did=1 -ben I believe I saw Wayne Pascoe (wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk) write this: > Hi all, > > I would be interested in hearing of solutions from people who use a > laptop on two different systems. > > I use my laptop at home (192.168.1.0/24) and at work > (192.168.2.0/24). At the moment, in /etc I have rc.conf.home and > rc.conf.work. Each of these has IP configs for the correct network. I > also have resolv.conf.home and resolv.conf.work. > > I have a script that copies the appropriate conf files into place, and > then I reboot. > > This all seems far more clumsy than needs be. Is there any better > solution than this out there? > > Also, I note that if I have fxp0 set to my home address and add an > alias to fxp0 of my work address, I am able to ping machines in my > work network. All I then have to do is change my gateway, as it seems > I can't have two routes for 0.0.0.0/0 (error message : > route: writing to routing socket: File exists > add net 0.0.0.0 gateway 192.168.1.30: File exists) > > Any tips on this would be great! Thanks :) > > -- > - Wayne Pascoe > E-mail: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk > Phone : +44 (0) 20 7544 4668 > Mobile: +44 (0) 788 431 1675 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ben Lovett printf("Hello world!); blovett@bsdguru.com return 0; -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 8:50:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from the.oneinsane.net (the.oneinsane.net [66.42.61.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EBF37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from blovett@venus.n2.net) Received: from venus.n2.net (unknown [165.24.156.101]) by the.oneinsane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847B19B9D for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by venus.n2.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 55EED15E; Tue, 8 May 2001 08:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 08:50:06 -0700 From: Ben Lovett To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Laptop on 2 networks - solutions ? Message-ID: <20010508085006.A615@bsdguru.com> References: <20010508082625.A1047@bsdguru.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010508082625.A1047@bsdguru.com>; from blovett@bsdguru.com on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 08:26:25AM -0700 X-Organization: San Diego BSD Users Group [http://www.sdbug.org] X-Disclaimer: All messages are the opinion of my employer.. They just don't know it yet. X-Operating-System: FreeBSD venus 4.3-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (99% of Full) X-GPG-Key: http://www.oneinsane.net/~blovett/blovett.pgp X-GPG-Fingerprint: C75F A722 1518 03B8 26C3 77A1 7C76 8AFA EBAB 2004 X-Uptime: 8:49AM up 4 mins, 4 users, load averages: 0.40, 0.28, 0.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG sorry about this, typed in the wrong alias and sent the mail here.. I believe I saw Ben Lovett (blovett@bsdguru.com) write this: > You can try pccard-site .. It works extrememly well for me, and a lot > of other people who use it =) > http://www.sdbug.org/download.php?op=mydown&did=1 > > -ben > > I believe I saw Wayne Pascoe (wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk) write this: > > Hi all, > > > > I would be interested in hearing of solutions from people who use a > > laptop on two different systems. > > > > I use my laptop at home (192.168.1.0/24) and at work > > (192.168.2.0/24). At the moment, in /etc I have rc.conf.home and > > rc.conf.work. Each of these has IP configs for the correct network. I > > also have resolv.conf.home and resolv.conf.work. > > > > I have a script that copies the appropriate conf files into place, and > > then I reboot. > > > > This all seems far more clumsy than needs be. Is there any better > > solution than this out there? > > > > Also, I note that if I have fxp0 set to my home address and add an > > alias to fxp0 of my work address, I am able to ping machines in my > > work network. All I then have to do is change my gateway, as it seems > > I can't have two routes for 0.0.0.0/0 (error message : > > route: writing to routing socket: File exists > > add net 0.0.0.0 gateway 192.168.1.30: File exists) > > > > Any tips on this would be great! Thanks :) > > > > -- > > - Wayne Pascoe > > E-mail: wayne.pascoe@realtime.co.uk > > Phone : +44 (0) 20 7544 4668 > > Mobile: +44 (0) 788 431 1675 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-mobile" in the body of the message > > > > -- > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Ben Lovett printf("Hello world!); > blovett@bsdguru.com return 0; > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > The dark ages were caused by the Y1K problem. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ben Lovett printf("Hello world!); blovett@bsdguru.com return 0; -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- All I ask of life is a constant and exaggerated sense of my own importance. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ben Lovett printf("Hello world!); blovett@bsdguru.com return 0; -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I believe the technical term is "Oops!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:13:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88AA537B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vcardona@home.com) Received: from marx.marvic.chum ([24.17.229.11]) by femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010508161352.JZFL937.femail18.sdc1.sfba.home.com@marx.marvic.chum>; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:13:52 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.marvic.chum (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f48GE4p26425; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:14:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 11:14:03 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: Juha Saarinen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508111403.A8425@marx.marvic.chum> Mail-Followup-To: Juha Saarinen , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:23:41PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:23:41PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > :: I suspect people dont know the difference between gcc and pgcc > :: (which ends up > :: being called 'gcc' on Linux I believe). pgcc does have optimisations up > :: to O6 - > :: > :: http://www.goof.com/pcg/pgcc-faq.html#opts > > No, -O9 is a valid optflag, from 2.95.2 from what I can tell. Anything > -O3 has been broken for ages. The options exist, but they don't do anything. Also, -O3 is rarely used because it is known to produce bad code. If you really want to know more about GCC then I suggest that you hang out on some of their forums. Unfortunately, this is not the place for this discussion. - v -- Victor R. Cardona vcardona@home.com "Behold the keyboard of Kahless, the greatest Klingon code warrior that ever lived!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:16:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815B337B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:16:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f48GGAR06622; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:16:10 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: lists@mediumgreen.com Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Random (?) kernel panics Message-ID: <20010508091610.J18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20010508140009.DA92B37B43C@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010508140009.DA92B37B43C@hub.freebsd.org>; from lists@mediumgreen.com on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 09:59:16AM +0000 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * lists@mediumgreen.com [010508 07:01] wrote: > > I cvsup'd to the latest stable on Friday and installed a new kernel > yesterday and got another panic with the same message (supervisor write, > page not present). My panic's NEVER can complete sync'ing the disks, so > I don't ever get core's. Jaime got a core from his pacnic's with the > same message, though. > > Does anyone have any suggestions on what do next? This machine has been > down for an average of 5 hours per week since this started happening - > my users are getting kinda antsy (sp?). Can you at least get a DDB traceback? -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Represent yourself, show up at BABUG http://www.babug.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:22:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kumquat.hlcca.org (kumquat.hlcca.org [209.244.192.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 31CA937B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:22:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dakota@kumquat.hlcca.org) Received: (qmail 42127 invoked by uid 143); 8 May 2001 12:21:50 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO kumquat.hlcca.org) (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 May 2001 12:21:50 -0000 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: lists@mediumgreen.com Subject: Re: Random (?) kernel panics In-Reply-To: Message from Alfred Perlstein of "Tue, 08 May 2001 09:16:10 MST." <20010508091610.J18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:21:50 +0000 Message-Id: <20010508162234.31CA937B422@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I think I heard Alfred Perlstein say: >* lists@mediumgreen.com [010508 07:01] wrote: >> >> I cvsup'd to the latest stable on Friday and installed a new kernel >> yesterday and got another panic with the same message (supervisor write, >> page not present). My panic's NEVER can complete sync'ing the disks, so >> I don't ever get core's. Jaime got a core from his pacnic's with the >> same message, though. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions on what do next? This machine has been >> down for an average of 5 hours per week since this started happening - >> my users are getting kinda antsy (sp?). > >Can you at least get a DDB traceback? Should be able to - I hadn't configure my system to use it since it runs unattended for most of the day, but since it can't reboot on its own anyway, there shouldn't be any harm. I'll get the installed today - will probably happen again within a day or so. -matthew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:26:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beta.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD49C37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 96153 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 16:26:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO work.root.li) (62.2.99.33) by beta.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 8 May 2001 16:26:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:25:44 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1061045097590.20010508182544@buz.ch> To: Chris BeHanna Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re[2]: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Chris, Monday, May 07, 2001, 9:19:36 PM, you wrote: >> machine - but again, why do the other OSes work fine? > AMD specs a 400W power supply for a T-bird. Uuh? Ever seen any major vendor even using 300W ones in consumer systems? I've got several friends which are using 250W PS with 1Ghz CPUs @ >1,3 without any problems (despite the usual heat issues) > As for me, I'm using PC2100 RAM (133Mhz DDR). If you are > overclocking your memory, then instability is not to be unexpected. :-/ I advise to stay away from the bloody cheap "VIA only" RAM that's showing up lately. There HAS to be a reason why Intel boards won't even boot in first place. Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBOvgP+cZa2WpymlDxAQHKUggAv3htawjtVh7cwCBMDDR7GQtAfMBoclWI HlZgAVuyjsOe//7HRHABlMWcrs5w734KV6sl9SOJNEfeXFlBI5CQbHdJZ4b2Nc5w gqKRgd9RhvizyJove1ul8SdKGaWdsPxMWkR6gcO8D+eU3g8I/sMhbTkjVCB2c2ul /NPkCX1A90R/dfZynnbx7cmrTpBXSUYglRgMO+6MA1lzMjzeD1h7GoG3j9fb3L1x QoQgzvNJz+m5BEXJWhn/nLJIMcS2UJu0EX3omA0wAL8Lur1KWy4O9MRT0cHjLut5 SyOuzoZQTt+1F0D/mNhoaYpc+saXsULhbfQIK62OscrHqTKEktiZCw== =UNsL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:30:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beta.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 137C437B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:30:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 96319 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 16:30:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO work.root.li) (62.2.99.33) by beta.root-servers.ch with SMTP; 8 May 2001 16:30:13 -0000 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:29:34 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.51) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1731045327541.20010508182934@buz.ch> To: Doug Russell Cc: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re[2]: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Doug, Monday, May 07, 2001, 11:49:08 PM, you wrote: > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Fred Gilham wrote: >> I've got a 700 MHz Athlon on a Soyo motherboard (Fry's special) with > Try a new motherboard. I've seen more of those terrible Soyos die on > people than you'd believe. Luckily, I've never bout one myself. :) > Junk. Total junk. > (I don't ever remember seeing a PROPERLY working, Soyo, actually) I'm afraid I've got to say the same about AOpen (we had several pre built machines "running" on them. Complete crap). Their book cases are pretty nice but since MSI are good as well AND supply sane MoBos, MSI 6215 is the system to for a cheap, small machine. Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBOvgQ38Za2WpymlDxAQGBdgf8CTkoru3yGimER4heHfmliD28ax2h/9zk +7p6D9QXLvY0iYEtnj+EcVfpEcn6ZKlt6RHyhZBUthL3IkNnHnJqxthYvakdV+Ty 4Wg/ZHW8vhdYVvpgkiLPWuh5Xfm8I8bh3P7sLGxGC348P8ERnRxSj+Rktk0HvHBJ MNGLgz772MLMSUFEQaastdozpjDDiNRL2gep3QQdMDwADVhkqputeXAElQcGKA7L KMG+xnUFf3Fo27bYnayc5k1S5ijCz6FiDgva7jpn81vkVYvlw1YjkC5vhDnG4ym1 NzjzKXf0QEFlcVABV70luCeh6ZppVK7zryjz21BBBS1xDKGcUsEmIw== =ydiu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:57:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web12004.mail.yahoo.com (web12004.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75A3A37B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xulfralos@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010508165734.84932.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.168.166.3] by web12004.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 08 May 2001 09:57:34 PDT Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:57:34 -0700 (PDT) From: SolarFlux Subject: RE: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I tried the workaround suggested by someone; install linux-netscape-4. It didn't work either, it has to get a bunch of RPMs (YUCK!) to build and it can't find them, like the script is way outdated. I started manually downloading the RPMs, but they weren't the correct ones. After about 5 times of reattempting 'make install', I'm ready to chuck 4.3 and go back to 4.2. I don't have time to mess around with tweaking to get it working. 4.76 should have been included; it is up to the user if they want a 'broken' browser or not on their system. They could have just put a warning instead of flat-out denying the user a FreeBSD version of Netscape. BTW, I also tried to install mozilla and linux-netscape6 from ports and they both failed too. Any more advice? I just want a working browser! --- SolarFlux wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:12:35 -0700 (PDT) > From: SolarFlux > Subject: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > Just installed 4.3-RELEASE last week and tried to > get > netscape47-communicator from ports. It says that it > is 4.76 and broken and doesn't install... So, how > to > get 4.77 on there, upgrade ports? Why wasn't 4.77 > put > in there in the first place, it's been out for a > number of weeks now. Just curious, TIA. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 9:59:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from wall.polstra.com (rtrwan160.accessone.com [206.213.115.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF5637B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: from vashon.polstra.com (vashon.polstra.com [206.213.73.13]) by wall.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f48GxE056951; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp@wall.polstra.com) Received: (from jdp@localhost) by vashon.polstra.com (8.11.3/8.11.0) id f48GxEa67055; Tue, 8 May 2001 09:59:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jdp) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 09:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105081659.f48GxEa67055@vashon.polstra.com> To: stable@freebsd.org From: John Polstra Reply-To: stable@freebsd.org Cc: mixtim@home.com Subject: Re: ssh MFC In-Reply-To: <20010508110055.A14383@home.com> References: <20010508110055.A14383@home.com> Organization: Polstra & Co., Seattle, WA Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20010508110055.A14383@home.com>, Mixtim wrote: > Will the recent openssh commit be MFC'd to STABLE sometime this week? > (please) Please NO. It is broken in -current, as has been reported by several people in the -current mailing list. No MFC until it's fixed. John -- John Polstra jdp@polstra.com John D. Polstra & Co., Inc. Seattle, Washington USA "Disappointment is a good sign of basic intelligence." -- Chögyam Trungpa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 10: 6:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B0537B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:06:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5490110F40F; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:06:32 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <01ab01c0d7e1$3c709b00$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "SolarFlux" , References: <20010508165734.84932.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 12:06:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have fixed, but the maintainer has not looked at it yet. I'm refering to the linux_base port. its downloading all those rpms because its part of the linux compatibility. Its not flat out denying you from using it, just comment out the BROKEN part in the makefile. Last time anyone checked, it wasn't out for freebsd, but that may have changed. > I tried the workaround suggested by someone; install > linux-netscape-4. > > It didn't work either, it has to get a bunch of RPMs > (YUCK!) to build and it can't find them, like the > script is way outdated. I started manually > downloading the RPMs, but they weren't the correct > ones. After about 5 times of reattempting 'make > install', I'm ready to chuck 4.3 and go back to 4.2. > > I don't have time to mess around with tweaking to get > it working. 4.76 should have been included; it is up > to the user if they want a 'broken' browser or not on > their system. They could have just put a warning > instead of flat-out denying the user a FreeBSD version > of Netscape. > > BTW, I also tried to install mozilla and > linux-netscape6 from ports and they both failed too. > > Any more advice? I just want a working browser! > > > --- SolarFlux wrote: > > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:12:35 -0700 (PDT) > > From: SolarFlux > > Subject: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? > > To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org > > > > Just installed 4.3-RELEASE last week and tried to > > get > > netscape47-communicator from ports. It says that it > > is 4.76 and broken and doesn't install... So, how > > to > > get 4.77 on there, upgrade ports? Why wasn't 4.77 > > put > > in there in the first place, it's been out for a > > number of weeks now. Just curious, TIA. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 10:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.netrus.net (mail.netrus.net [206.251.192.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1FF37B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troc@netrus.net) Received: from eyrie.homenet (whee@dialin-pm3-miami-FL-2-135.netrus.net [206.251.198.135]) by mail.netrus.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA17159; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:36:35 -0400 Received: (from troc@localhost) by eyrie.homenet (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f48HaZC03448; Tue, 8 May 2001 13:36:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from troc) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 13:36:34 -0400 From: Rocco Caputo To: Rocco Caputo Cc: Doug Russell , Jonathan Belson , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lockups with -Stable on Athlon Message-ID: <20010508133634.D934@eyrie.homenet> References: <3AF6EE86.FC021C05@witchspace.com> <20010508100152.B934@eyrie.homenet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010508100152.B934@eyrie.homenet>; from troc@netrus.net on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:01:52AM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, May 08, 2001 at 10:01:52AM -0400, Rocco Caputo wrote: [...] > > I stupidly deleted the source, and the binary is for Windows, and the > machine is on its way to a repair facility, so about all I can offer > sourcewise is an untested rewrite from memory. I rewrote the program (as best as I could remember it) for FreeBSD at Tom's request. He's able to run it fine, although it exhausts his swap space. I can't raise my memory limits high enough to test it, so your guess is as good as mine whether it works. The source code is at . -- Rocco Caputo / troc@netrus.net / poe.perl.org / poe.sourceforge.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 11: 3:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F3437B422; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f48I2u383322; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: juha@saarinen.org Cc: dmmiller@cvzoom.net, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, kris@obsecurity.org, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: References: <20010508012916Q.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010508110255K.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:02:55 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 14 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, the perspective, if there is any apart from general curiosity, is > obscured by the lack of documentation. It is documented in /etc/make.conf - the user is instructed to avoid the higher optimization flags. It is impossible to document just what sorts of code might be affected since if we knew gcc's optimizer bugs to that level of detail, we could also FIX the buggers. > It wouldn't hurt, I don't think, to have an alternative to GCC. I'm glad you feel that way. When do you think you'll have the first BETA version of juhacc ready to test? :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 11:17:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A57C37B42C; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:17:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f48IGb383402; Tue, 8 May 2001 11:16:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: juha@saarinen.org Cc: kris@obsecurity.org, dmmiller@cvzoom.net, msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: References: <20010508031001.A91590@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010508111636K.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 11:16:36 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > This is "well documented"? It doesn't say *why* optflags above -O are bad. It doesn't really have to. For the newbie user, all it matters is that it instructs them not to do this. It could also add "having the compiler break your code is bad, mmmkay?" but I don't see how that would be anything but a statement of the obvious. For developers, they're expected to play with the flags on a case-by-case basis since only a developer is likely to know whether or not they're doing something dangerous. Can we just drop this already? I think it should be obvious to all concerned at this point that we're not getting anywhere with this thread. If you really want to change things, get off your ass and start coding. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 12:28:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4885237B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f48JYRi01316; Tue, 8 May 2001 12:34:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200105081934.f48JYRi01316@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Maikel Verheijen Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: IBM ServeRaid support In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 08 May 2001 11:39:18 +0200." <20010508113918.A14634@myst.dohd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 12:34:27 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hi All! > > With my new netfinity X-series 330, I got an IBM ServeRaid 4L raid > controller. Can anyone tell me if this card will be supported in the near > future? (I already checked HARDWARE.TXT, just to see it wasn't supported > yet) There are Linux drivers (source and binary) provided by IBM, but I am > not that much of a coder :(. There have been a couple of attempts at writing a driver for this controller; I would be so bold as to say that until someone is willing to pay me to do it, it's probably not going to happen, sorry. 8( Regards, Mike (Yes, I am trying to find someone willing to support this work, amongst other things. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 13:12:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zuerich02.bluecobalt.net (zuerich02.bluecobalt.net [193.0.232.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FE6A37B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 13:12:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plm@mutsaers.com) Received: from mutsaers.com (adsl-unlimited.callino.ch [217.20.192.106] (may be forged)) by zuerich02.bluecobalt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08194; Tue, 8 May 2001 22:12:40 +0200 Received: (from plm@localhost) by mutsaers.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f48KCdS00558; Tue, 8 May 2001 22:12:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from plm) To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization References: <20010507230417.F508-100000@gateway.bogus> From: Peter Mutsaers Date: 08 May 2001 22:12:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: Nuno Teixeira's message of "Mon, 7 May 2001 23:36:31 +0100 (WEST)" Message-ID: <87wv7rmwg8.fsf@mutsaers.com> Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >> "Nuno" =3D=3D Nuno Teixeira writes: Nuno> I came from Linux and at that time I used CFLAGS to optimize Nuno> general programs and linux kernel. Nuno> For example: Nuno> [i686]: CFLAGS=3D'-O9 -funroll-loops -ffast-math Nuno> -malign-double -mcpu=3Dpentiumpro -march=3Dpentiumpro Nuno> -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-exceptions' On an AMD Athlon (i686 like) I use in =E6tc/make.conf: CFLAGS=3D -O2 -pipe -march=3Dpentiumpro and # To compile just the kernel with special optimisations, you should use # this instead of CFLAGS (which is not applicable to kernel builds anyway): # COPTFLAGS=3D -O2 -pipe -march=3Dpentiumpro -O2, according to man gcc, turns on all optimizations except those that involve a space-speed tradeoff, such as -funroll-loops. Especially for the kernel, the effect of that one might be negative (cache memory is small and precious). The correct -m... options are all implied by -march=3Dpentiumpro --=20 Peter Mutsaers | D=FCbendorf | UNIX - Live free or die plm@gmx.li | Switzerland | Sent via FreeBSD 4.3-stable To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 13:29:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40FD637B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 13:29:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14xE6M-0003sd-02; Wed, 09 May 2001 08:28:58 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Jordan Hubbard" Cc: , , , , , Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:28:30 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010508110255K.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: I'm glad you feel that way. When do you think you'll have the first :: BETA version of juhacc ready to test? :) Ahhh... uhh... it has a few problems with the optimiser at the moment. RSN, I hope. ;-) -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 13:30:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B61A37B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 13:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14xE6M-0003sd-01; Wed, 09 May 2001 08:28:58 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group" Cc: "Mike Smith" , "FreeBSD Stable" Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 08:28:30 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105081413.f48ED2a22282@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: I think you're asking the wrong crowd. Your question should be posted :: on a GCC forum. Yes, you're right about that. My point was that since so many new-comers to FreeBSD, especially from Linux, get bitten by the optimisations, it could be a good thing to expand on the subject. If the consensus is that it shouldn't... well, never mind then. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 14:33:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from joliet.groenquist.com (cx707588-b.santab1.ca.home.com [65.5.150.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EFC37B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:33:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by joliet.groenquist.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f48LXi515595; Tue, 8 May 2001 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@groenquist.com) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Groener Reply-To: Matt Groener To: Gordon Tetlow Cc: Mike Smith , Matt Groener , Paul Murphy , jacol@ids.gda.pl, freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mylex dac960pl and FreeBSD 4.3 - bus_dmamap_load In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I said, I can give up either a card which exhibits the problem, or you can feed me ideas (I will try the one you suggested, Mike), and I will plug them in and see what happens. I know no one has time for their day jobs much less anything else. I'm the same way, but we might find we can fix this or mask it in the meantime. Thanks everyone for comments and ideas to date. -matt On Tue, 8 May 2001, Gordon Tetlow wrote: > On Tue, 8 May 2001, Mike Smith wrote: > > > This is a known problem. I don't know what's up, and I can't reproduce > > it (as I don't have any of these cards). I suspect that it may be an > > issue with non-page-aligned I/O and the very limited scatter-gather that > > these cards support. > > > > > On Mon, 7 May 2001, Matt Groener wrote: > > > > > > > I have been trying to get anyone to respond to this issue as well. > > > > I have offered both my time and the fact that I own many many Mylex > > > > cards and would be happy to test, mail them out, perform magic > > > > tricks, etc., to get some assistance. > > Perhaps you and Matt can coordinate since he seems willing to give up a > card for a while? Don't want to impose, but if you have time (a scarce > resource for sure) to take a look, I know that at least 2 people would be > grateful. > > -gordon > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 15:48:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FF837B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) Received: from vpn38.ece.cmu.edu (ANNEX-3.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.3]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f48MmFH02668 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 18:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 18:48:04 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-S: No buffer space available [SOLVED: dummynet] Message-ID: <180940000.989362084@vpn38.ece.cmu.edu> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm seeing this with mpd_netgraph from (< 1 week ago) ports running a PPTP tunnel. "top" claims there is 39M free; netstat -m similarly shows that I'm getting nowhere near any limits; yet periodically I see not only "No buffer space available" but also other misbehaviors such as dropped keystrokes in XFree86. Raising maxusers doesn't affect it. What may be significant is that I'm also running natd to support a host-only VMware setup (but VMware is not running when these problems occur); I'll be disabling that next. (The system runs fine with natd but no mpd, though.) The system has yet to panic as a result, so nothing useful from a debug session. Any other suggestions as to tracking this down? -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 15:56:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woody.ichilton.co.uk (woody.ichilton.co.uk [216.29.174.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EEFB37B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 15:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@woody.ichilton.co.uk) Received: by woody.ichilton.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 48593809D; Tue, 8 May 2001 23:55:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 23:55:56 +0100 From: Ian Chilton To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: IPFW Questions Message-ID: <20010508235556.A4274@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Reply-To: Ian Chilton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I am running FreeBSD 4.3 from the stable tree. I have a few ipfw questions I wonder if someone could help with. They should be simple questions, but unfortunatly this mail got a little long! :) 1) Why are the same rules used twice? # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via ${oif} # Stop draft-manning-dsua-03.txt (1 May 2000) nets (includes RESERVED-1, # DHCP auto-configuration, NET-TEST, MULTICAST (class D), and class E) # on the outside interface ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via ${oif} # Network Address Translation. case ${natd_enable} in [Yy][Ee][Ss]) if [ -n "${natd_interface}" ]; then ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${oif} fi ;; esac # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface ${fwcmd} add deny all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via ${oif} # Stop draft-manning-dsua-03.txt (1 May 2000) nets (includes RESERVED-1, # DHCP auto-configuration, NET-TEST, MULTICAST (class D), and class E) # on the outside interface ${fwcmd} add deny all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif} ${fwcmd} add deny all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif} 2) What does this do?: # Allow TCP through if setup succeeded ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any established Will this let the machine itself and any NAT clients have unlimited access to the internet, without letting people make connections to services running on my gateway?? If not, how do I do this? :) If I am correct, this means I want to allow all packets but SYN packets..? 3) What does this do?: # Allow IP fragments to pass through ${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any frag 4) The only service I want to be able to access from the outside is SSH (+ the above full access from in outwards). Is this right??: # Allow setup of incoming ssh ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 22 setup # Reject&Log all setup of incoming connections from the outside ${fwcmd} add deny log tcp from any to any in via ${oif} setup # Allow setup of any other TCP connection ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any setup 5) What's that last rule above for? Doesn't this contridict, or is it there for a reason? (got it from rc.firewall) 6) I have an outside i/f ($oif with $oip) and 3 internal i/f's (ed1, ed2 and ed3, which have $iif1, $iif2, $iif3 which have ip's $iip1, $iip2, $iip3 and network $inet1, $inet2, $inet3). WHat I want, is each host to have full NAT access, which I think I have done with: ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${oif} Correct? But, I don't want them to talk to each other. Will this happen automatically, or do I have to do something like: ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet1} to ${inet2} ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet2} to ${inet1} ..etc.. ? Thanks in Advance! Bye for Now, Ian \|||/ (o o) /-----------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------\ | Ian Chilton E-Mail: ian@ichilton.co.uk | | IRC Nick: GadgetMan Backup: ichilton@www.linux.org.uk | | ICQ: 16007717 / 104665842 Web : http://www.ichilton.co.uk | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| | For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16: 1:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7701E37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:01:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77D310F40F; Tue, 8 May 2001 18:01:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <033301c0d812$c84749e0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Ian Chilton" , References: <20010508235556.A4274@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Subject: Re: IPFW Questions Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:01:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I believe it is because different sections refer to different setups > 1) Why are the same rules used twice? > > # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 172.16.0.0/12 via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.168.0.0/16 via ${oif} > > # Stop draft-manning-dsua-03.txt (1 May 2000) nets (includes > RESERVED-1, > # DHCP auto-configuration, NET-TEST, MULTICAST (class D), and class E) > # on the outside interface > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 0.0.0.0/8 via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 169.254.0.0/16 via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 192.0.2.0/24 via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 224.0.0.0/4 via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 240.0.0.0/4 via ${oif} > > # Network Address Translation. > case ${natd_enable} in > [Yy][Ee][Ss]) > if [ -n "${natd_interface}" ]; then > ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${oif} > fi > ;; > esac > > # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 172.16.0.0/12 to any via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.168.0.0/16 to any via ${oif} > > # Stop draft-manning-dsua-03.txt (1 May 2000) nets (includes > RESERVED-1, > # DHCP auto-configuration, NET-TEST, MULTICAST (class D), and class E) > # on the outside interface > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 0.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 169.254.0.0/16 to any via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 192.0.2.0/24 to any via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 224.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 240.0.0.0/4 to any via ${oif} > it allows access if the ip packet has an established flag. Basically if a connection has been established, allow it to continue > 2) What does this do?: > > # Allow TCP through if setup succeeded > ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any established > > Will this let the machine itself and any NAT clients have unlimited > access to the internet, without letting people make connections to > services running on my gateway?? > If not, how do I do this? :) > If I am correct, this means I want to allow all packets but SYN > packets..? > Allows fragmented packets just as the documentation says > 3) What does this do?: > # Allow IP fragments to pass through > ${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any frag > > > 4) The only service I want to be able to access from the outside is > SSH (+ the above full access from in outwards). Is this right??: > # Allow setup of incoming ssh > ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 22 setup > > # Reject&Log all setup of incoming connections from the outside > ${fwcmd} add deny log tcp from any to any in via ${oif} setup > > # Allow setup of any other TCP connection > ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any setup > > > 5) What's that last rule above for? Doesn't this contridict, or is it there for > a reason? (got it from rc.firewall) > > > 6) I have an outside i/f ($oif with $oip) and 3 internal i/f's (ed1, > ed2 and ed3, which have $iif1, $iif2, $iif3 which have ip's $iip1, > $iip2, $iip3 and network $inet1, $inet2, $inet3). > > WHat I want, is each host to have full NAT access, which I think I have > done with: ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${oif} > Correct? > > But, I don't want them to talk to each other. Will this happen > automatically, or do I have to do something like: > > ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet1} to ${inet2} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet2} to ${inet1} > ..etc.. > you should probably go through the ipfw man page thoroughly so you can have a better understanding of what is going on. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16: 6:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C71F37B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:06:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04771; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:05:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: from Juha Saarinen at "May 8, 1 08:00:34 pm" To: juha@saarinen.org (Juha Saarinen) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:05:49 -0700 (MST) Cc: kris@obsecurity.org, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Juha Saarinen wrote: > :: The risk is the same in Linux; they both use gcc, and it's gcc which > :: has the optimizer bugs. It's more common to use absurd gcc > :: optimizations in the Linux community for some reason (perhaps they're > :: used to code misbehaving, so additional brokenness from the gcc > :: doesn't add much ;-) > :: > :: Just Say No. > > Hrrmm... that's tantamount to saying Linux and FreeBSD has a > fundamentally b0rken compiler. Not "fundamentally" broken or else it couldn't generate a working system. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable if we changed the documentation to remove all references to any -O switch with a number attached? > -- Juha -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:13:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1276937B424; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA04870; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:13:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105082313.QAA04870@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: from Juha Saarinen at "May 8, 1 09:51:51 pm" To: juha@saarinen.org (Juha Saarinen) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:13:12 -0700 (MST) Cc: msmith@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Juha Saarinen wrote: >:: Let me say it again - the optimiser is BROKEN. Given perfectly valid >:: input, it generates BAD CODE. It doesn't matter how much these parts of >:: the system might benefit from it if it worked - it doesn't. End of >:: story. OK? > > Is this documented anywhere? You mean, besides on this list every month or so? -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:23:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CA737B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14xGpL-00044z-00; Wed, 09 May 2001 11:23:35 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: Cc: , , , Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:23:07 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Perhaps you'd be more comfortable if we changed the documentation to :: remove all references to any -O switch with a number attached? Dunno. In my experience, any -O switch with a number attached creates problems when compiling the kernel/userland on FreeBSD, so it seems pointless to have those options. OTOH Jordan pointed out that there are some instances for which the optflags can be useful. I don't know why the optflags produce broken code on FreeBSD, but not with Linux. Aren't we sick of this thread yet? -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:28:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 470D237B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:28:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f48NRr010665; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:27:53 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Juha Saarinen Cc: chad@DCFinc.com, kris@obsecurity.org, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508162753.O18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Juha Saarinen [010508 16:24] wrote: > :: Perhaps you'd be more comfortable if we changed the documentation to > :: remove all references to any -O switch with a number attached? > > Dunno. In my experience, any -O switch with a number attached creates > problems when compiling the kernel/userland on FreeBSD, so it seems > pointless to have those options. OTOH Jordan pointed out that there are some > instances for which the optflags can be useful. > > I don't know why the optflags produce broken code on FreeBSD, but not with > Linux. They can produce broken code on Linux. Please see the pgcc page that explains that -O3 includes optimizations that "can cause problems". > Aren't we sick of this thread yet? I was sick of it that last 5 times it came up. :( -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:28:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.communityconnect.com (mail.communityconnect.com [209.10.169.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A041B37B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marius@mail.communityconnect.com) Received: from amavis by mail.communityconnect.com with scanned-ok (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14xGuB-0005q3-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Tue, 08 May 2001 19:28:35 -0400 Received: from [206.28.215.90] (helo=dt-9-45.hq.communityconnect.com) by mail.communityconnect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.20 #1) id 14xGu4-0005mw-00; Tue, 08 May 2001 19:28:28 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:28:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Marius X-Sender: marius@utterlux.hq.communitconnect.com To: Ian Chilton Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: IPFW Questions In-Reply-To: <20010508235556.A4274@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Redirected to Questions... *snip* > 1) Why are the same rules used twice? *snip* To catch packets both before and after NAT translation. The NAT rule in between them changes the source or destination of some packets that pass through it. So we check it twice. > 2) What does this do?: > > # Allow TCP through if setup succeeded > ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any established This allows any connection that is on-going to continue going. So in one rule you allow yor internal net to make outgoing connections. And this rule allows all the packets that were started by that connection to pass through the firewall also. It is a good thing. > Will this let the machine itself and any NAT clients have unlimited > access to the internet, without letting people make connections to > services running on my gateway?? That is _part_ of the ruleset needed to do that. The rest of it you mention below. > > 3) What does this do?: > # Allow IP fragments to pass through > ${fwcmd} add pass all from any to any frag It allows fragment IP packets to pass through. If all works well your machine can reassemble a number of fragmented packets to get the info. Again, generally a good thing. > 4) The only service I want to be able to access from the outside is > SSH (+ the above full access from in outwards). Is this right??: > # Allow setup of incoming ssh > ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to ${oip} 22 setup > > # Reject&Log all setup of incoming connections from the outside > ${fwcmd} add deny log tcp from any to any in via ${oif} setup > > # Allow setup of any other TCP connection > ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from any to any setup In a nutshell, the above looks like what you want. > > > 5) What's that last rule above for? Doesn't this contridict, or is it there for > a reason? (got it from rc.firewall) > > It allows you to make any outgoing connections from inside your net. It is, a good thing. > 6) I have an outside i/f ($oif with $oip) and 3 internal i/f's (ed1, > ed2 and ed3, which have $iif1, $iif2, $iif3 which have ip's $iip1, > $iip2, $iip3 and network $inet1, $inet2, $inet3). > > WHat I want, is each host to have full NAT access, which I think I have > done with: ${fwcmd} add divert natd all from any to any via ${oif} > Correct? > > But, I don't want them to talk to each other. Will this happen > automatically, or do I have to do something like: > > ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet1} to ${inet2} > ${fwcmd} add deny all from ${inet2} to ${inet1} > ..etc.. > > ?] Are you set up so that ecah host is networked only to the FreeBSD box, so -all- packets have to pass through it to get anywhere? (i.e. all nets are physically/logicall seperate.) If they are all on differnt nets for NAT, then yes, they couldn't talk to each other. You wouldn't need any special rules. But if you are not set up like the above, then all bets are off. -Marius Rex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:32:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7F137B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:32:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f48NV7384397; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:31:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: juha@saarinen.org Cc: chad@DCFinc.com, kris@obsecurity.org, nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com, guilherme@nortenet.pt, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization In-Reply-To: References: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010508163107V.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 16:31:07 -0700 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I don't know why the optflags produce broken code on FreeBSD, but not with > Linux. I don't know how you managed to reach THAT conclusion. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:34: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-108.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.108]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E77637B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12084678BA; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:34:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:34:02 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Juha Saarinen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508163402.A5668@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="FCuugMFkClbJLl1L" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Aren't we sick of this thread yet? Yes. Perhaps you could take the lesson for the next time someone asks you to please read the archives instead of dragging out the same tired thread all over again. Kris --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6+IJqWry0BWjoQKURAoRiAKCzsGuVmbq5hDGB+vKqMVK4FmoW9QCcCZdt Y3xmbcwZbx4SY5Yn6fpIFDE= =bucP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:35:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailf.telia.com (mailf.telia.com [194.22.194.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C1F37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailf.telia.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f48NZDB11442 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 01:35:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id BAA08112 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 01:35:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 2747 invoked by uid 1001); 8 May 2001 23:35:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 01:35:15 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010509013515.A2725@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > :: Perhaps you'd be more comfortable if we changed the documentation to > :: remove all references to any -O switch with a number attached? > > Dunno. In my experience, any -O switch with a number attached creates > problems when compiling the kernel/userland on FreeBSD, so it seems > pointless to have those options. OTOH Jordan pointed out that there are some > instances for which the optflags can be useful. I have had both userland and kernel compiled using -O2 without noticing any problems. On the other hand I didn't notice much of a performance gain either so I decided that the extra compile time wasn't worth it. I would say that most programs work just fine when compiled with -O2/-O3 but not all and not all of the time. Although I am sure there are bugs gcc's optimization code I think that most of the time when programs work when compiled with -O but break when compiler with -O2 this is actually due to bugs in the program that only exposed when using high levels of optimization. > > I don't know why the optflags produce broken code on FreeBSD, but not with > Linux. Are you sure it doesn't produce bad code on Linux? Anyway, it might be that the bugs only trigger on certain code-sequences which occur in FreeBSD but not in Linux. (Or maybe not.) > > Aren't we sick of this thread yet? > Yes, we are. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:42:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5BD37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14xH7z-00046P-00; Wed, 09 May 2001 11:42:51 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: Subject: RE: CFLAGS Optimization Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:42:23 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010508163402.A5668@xor.obsecurity.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Yes. Perhaps you could take the lesson for the next time someone asks :: you to please read the archives instead of dragging out the same tired :: thread all over again. Nobody said that. I trust you will chastise all the other participants in this thread for having the temerity to "drag out the same tired thread all over again"? If the topic doesn't interest you, don't read it. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:44:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 419FF37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:44:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 29244 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 23:42:49 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (24.154.37.140) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 8 May 2001 23:42:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3AF884DC.41644622@cvzoom.net> Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 19:44:28 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erik Trulsson Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization References: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> <20010509013515.A2725@student.uu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Erik Trulsson wrote: > I have had both userland and kernel compiled using -O2 without noticing > any problems. On the other hand I didn't notice much of a performance > gain either so I decided that the extra compile time wasn't worth it. Translation: don't even think about using optimization levels beyond -O for mission-critical apps like userland and kernel without realizing the consequences. Save that for your projects that really need it, like scientific and multimedia stuff and your own "local" projects. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 16:58:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A919937B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 16:58:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p213-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.213]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA15788 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 00:49:35 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 01:00:10 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Subject: CFLAGS Optimization (I'm very sorry!!!) Message-ID: <20010509005253.C751-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I just want to say that I'm very sorry about the confusion that I've created on this mailing. I'm the one that posted this message, but isn't my intention to create confusions and discussions between the FreeBSD mailing members. I am very sorry about this question that I made. But anyway thanks a lot for all the replies. I have no more doubts about CFLAGS and I will never talk about it anymore. Bye and sorry, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOviIkI8HcgpjoE/HEQJ/rwCfTnyvKGgIOZp7lvUL7+8v1Ck2Km8AoKED 8SQ5EvPVD9ML8OajxUrmYNI9 =d2fP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 17:31:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cfw.com (flanders.ntelos.net [216.12.0.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F211937B42C for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:31:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cornwall@intelos.net) Received: (qmail 4376 invoked from network); 8 May 2001 20:31:30 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (127.0.0.1) by flanders.intelos.net with SMTP; 8 May 2001 20:31:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 20:31:30 -0400 (EDT) From: cornwall@intelos.net To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Oracle, Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is there any way that Oracle will work on FreeBSD? I have version 4.2 Stable FreeBSD and would like to install a reliable and stable database package for personal and production usage. Thank you, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 17:57:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCD537B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:57:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vcardona@home.com) Received: from marx.marvic.chum ([24.17.229.11]) by femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010509005712.PVHA18489.femail17.sdc1.sfba.home.com@marx.marvic.chum>; Tue, 8 May 2001 17:57:12 -0700 Received: (from vcardona@localhost) by marx.marvic.chum (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f490vQc43660; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:57:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from vcardona) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 19:57:26 -0500 From: "Victor R. Cardona" To: Juha Saarinen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: CFLAGS Optimization Message-ID: <20010508195726.A43604@marx.marvic.chum> Mail-Followup-To: Juha Saarinen , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200105082305.QAA04771@freeway.dcfinc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:23:07AM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > I don't know why the optflags produce broken code on FreeBSD, but not with > Linux. Actually, -O > 2 does produce broken code in Linux. The reason -O2 is used more often on a Linux system is because you never recompile the entire system. You compile individual components that were developed by developers who used those options when they tested their code. I would bet that if there was a Linux distribution that allowed you to recompile the entire kernel and userland in one shot, then you would see some of the same problems that the FreeBSD developers have already pointed out. > Aren't we sick of this thread yet? Yes. - v -- Victor R. Cardona vcardona@home.com "Behold the keyboard of Kahless, the greatest Klingon code warrior that ever lived!" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 19:21:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from purpledreams.com (purpledreams.com [64.26.155.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6118A37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:21:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from super@purpledreams.com) Received: (qmail 35569 invoked by uid 7770); 9 May 2001 02:22:02 -0000 Received: from win98.purpledreams.com (HELO purple) (10.11.12.13) by purpledreams.com with SMTP; 9 May 2001 02:22:02 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c0d82f$34593d20$0d0c0b0a@purpledreams.com> From: "R.D. Lacoste" To: Subject: invalid hostname Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 22:24:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ok, this has got me confused : # finger user Login: user Name: user Directory: /home/user Shell: /bin/tcsh Last login Tue May 8 12:17 (EDT) on ttyp0 from invalid hostname No Mail. what the hell is "invalid hostname"? so I checked the source code : (from lib/libutil/logwtmp.c. similar code is in login.c :) if (strlen(host) > UT_HOSTSIZE) { int error; struct addrinfo hints, *res; bzero(&hints, sizeof(struct addrinfo)); hints.ai_family = AF_UNSPEC; hints.ai_flags = AI_CANONNAME; error = getaddrinfo(host, NULL, &hints, &res); if (error != 0 || res->ai_addr == NULL) host = "invalid hostname"; else { error = getnameinfo(res->ai_addr, res->ai_addrlen, fullhost, strlen(fullhost), NULL, 0, NI_NUMERICHOST|NI_WITHSCOPEID); if (error != 0) { fprintf(stderr, "%d", error); host = "invalid hostname"; } } } So, if I understand this correctly, the utmp updater gets passed only the hostname, not the IP. And if the hostname is too long, it does a forward-lookup to identify the IP from the hostname. So the only way this would result in "invalid hostname" in my utmp file is if it couldn't complete the reverse lookup. after more looking around, i found the real IP, which exists both in the real world and in reverse-DNS world : # nslookup 47.129.153.69 Server: localhost Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: h69s153a129n47.user.nortelnetworks.com Address: 47.129.153.69 # nslookup h69s153a129n47.user.nortelnetworks.com Server: localhost.purpledreams.com Address: 127.0.0.1 Name: h69s153a129n47.user.nortelnetworks.com Address: 47.129.153.69 so why does it show "invalid hostname"?????? (yeah, i'm kinda going batty on this one :) it's not cuz the hostname's too long (fullhost has maxlength MAXHOSTNAMELEN which is 256 from sys/sys/param.h) so what is it???? Dana Lacoste super@purpledreams.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 19:48:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6744B37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 95674 invoked by uid 100); 9 May 2001 02:48:52 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15096.45076.601963.637343@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:48:52 -0500 To: cornwall@intelos.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG cornwall@intelos.net types: > Is there any way that Oracle will work on FreeBSD? I have version > 4.2 Stable FreeBSD and would like to install a reliable and stable > database package for personal and production usage. This is asked - and answered - on -questions every few months. Check the archives for that list for pointers to a howto on installing the Linux Oracle binaries on FreeBSD. On the other hand, there are a a number of open source database packages - including some SQL serverss - that are in production use on FreeBSD. Depending on your exact requirements, one of those may do the job. Look in /usr/ports/databases for more information. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 19:55:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hobbits.brel.com (hobbits.brel.com [203.127.231.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E919237B423 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 19:55:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from calvinng@hobbits.brel.com) Received: by hobbits.brel.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4578A3343; Wed, 9 May 2001 10:55:39 +0800 (SGT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:55:39 +0800 From: Calvin NG To: cornwall@intelos.net Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, Message-ID: <20010509105539.A52190@brel.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from cornwall@intelos.net on Tue, May 08, 2001 at 08:31:30PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Greetings, I have gotten the linux version of Oracle 8 to work on FreeBSD before (about 1 year ago). If you will kindly search the FreeBSD mail archive, you should be able to find my previous post. Also, go a search on Deja news, (groups.google), there are some how-tos out there from the linux community that contains detailed step-by-step instructions (for a older version of Oracle though). (Below is whatever I can remeber off my head, it has been more than a year since). Basically, you need 1 linux (redhat is the one I used) to run the java-based installation program. NFS mount the FreeBSD disk to this linux box during the installation. Once the installation(copying of files) is completed, you do not need the linux system any more. DO NOT use the wizard to create the database (db assist or something like that). It doesn't work (for me, and many others). Instead, create the database and the rest of the steps manually, on your FreeBSD server. (NB: this is where the how-tos come in handy) Good luck. Regards, /calvin lines with :> are quotes from cornwall@intelos.net's email :> Is there any way that Oracle will work on FreeBSD? I have version :> 4.2 Stable FreeBSD and would like to install a reliable and stable :> database package for personal and production usage. :> :> Thank you, :> John :> :> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 20: 9: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (af.speednet.com.au [202.135.188.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D4F37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 20:09:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Received: from backup.af.speednet.com.au (backup.af.speednet.com.au [172.22.2.4]) by backup.af.speednet.com.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4938ni21748; Wed, 9 May 2001 13:08:50 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from andyf@speednet.com.au) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 13:08:48 +1000 (EST) From: Andy Farkas X-X-Sender: To: Cc: Subject: Multilink ppp problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a remote server running 4.3-R setup to do multilink ppp using 3 modems. It dials into Lucent PortMaster 3's - everything works fine and traffic flows freely down all 3 lines. The problem is when it reboots - when ppp starts up again, it dials, connects, authenticates, and then disconnects straight away on all three lines! Over and over and over again :( Here is an extract from ppp.log when it does this: ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: SendIdent(16) state = Opened ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: 3: his = PAP, mine = none ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: Pap Output: remote ******** ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: Pap Input: SUCCESS (Login Succeeded) ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: mpserver: can't connect to bundle socket /var/run/ppp--03-123400000000 (Connection refused) ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: The previous server died badly ! ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: LayerDown ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: SendTerminateReq(7) state = Opened ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: State change Opened --> Closing ppp[165]: tun0: IPCP: 3: Error: Unexpected IPCP in phase Authenticate (ignored) I've tracked it down this: a file is leftover in /var/run. Here is what is currently in there and will be leftover on next reboot: # ls -l /var/run/ppp* srw------- 1 root wheel 0 May 9 11:36 ppp--03-123400000000= So my workaround is putting "rm /var/run/ppp*" in rc.network just before it starts ppp. Anyone else using multilink ppp seeing this? I'm wondering if this all started about 4 weeks ago when a set of changes were MFC'd? I've had this setup running since September 2000 and have only recently (towards the end of 4.2-S) had this trouble. -- :{ andyf@speednet.com.au Andy Farkas System Administrator Speednet Communications http://www.speednet.com.au/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 20:12: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ns.itga.com.au (ns.itga.com.au [202.53.40.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D1E37B422 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 20:11:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from lightning.itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by ns.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26255; Wed, 9 May 2001 13:11:40 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from gnb@itga.com.au) Received: from itga.com.au (lightning.itga.com.au [192.168.71.20]) by lightning.itga.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21125; Wed, 9 May 2001 13:10:25 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <200105090310.NAA21125@lightning.itga.com.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 From: Gregory Bond To: Ian Chilton Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPFW Questions In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 08 May 2001 23:55:56 +0100. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:10:25 +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > 1) Why are the same rules used twice? > # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface > ${fwcmd} add deny all from any to 10.0.0.0/8 via ${oif} > # Stop RFC1918 nets on the outside interface > ${fwcmd} add deny all from 10.0.0.0/8 to any via ${oif} They are not the same rules - check closely. The first stops all packets from outside destined for 10.x addresses. The second stops all packets on the outside net from 10.x addresses (incoming or outgoing). NATD has to happen between these two rules in case the user has 10.x addresses on their inside net. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 21:25:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.viasoft.com.cn (unknown [61.153.1.177]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9103137B423; Tue, 8 May 2001 21:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsddiy@163.net) Received: from xyf ([192.168.1.54]) by mail.viasoft.com.cn (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03148; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:24:27 +0800 Message-ID: <002f01c0d840$5ed38180$3601a8c0@xyf> From: "David Xu" To: Cc: Subject: kenel panic, vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:27:33 +0800 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I am using FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE, my machine has 64 RAM. I can use a fork bomb to crash kernel under some conditions, fork bomb program is: #include int main() { while(1) { if (fork() == 0) break; } return 0; } when kernel panic, it prints: vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted, then after some seconds, it reboots. I have found that if I use GENERIC kernel config, I can not trigger this bug, default maxusers value in GENERIC kernel config file is 32, this is fine, if I change it to 128 and recompile/install kernel, I can use the fork bomb to crash kernel. it seems this problem is RAM size and maxusers parameter related. what max value of maxusers should I use if my RAM is 64M? --- Regards, David Xu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Tue May 8 22:52:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from catastrophe.net (ss189-189.dvsn-chi-il.outlook.net [208.45.189.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7B0737B424 for ; Tue, 8 May 2001 22:52:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@catastrophe.net) Received: (qmail 26229 invoked by uid 40001); 9 May 2001 05:52:15 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:52:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Casey Jones To: , , Subject: Getty Problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello - It looks like this is nothing new as I've found some questions as such in the mailing list archives, but without solution :( I just did a cvsup and make world to 4.3-RELEASE My kernel was compiled with the same kernel config as before (one that worked without a problem). However, when I boot my machine, I get the following error can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port /dev/ttyv0 The boot cycle just hangs and it echo back that error every 30 seconds or so. I've definitely done a cd /dev && /bin/sh MAKEDEV all and all the devices are there properly. I can boot into single user mode and run "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" and get a console. This goes on even if I toy with the different parameters in /etc/ttys I can't seem to find a fix, and it's a bit critical. If you can please help I would appreciate it very much!! Thank you. Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 0:28:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from Awfulhak.org (awfulhak.demon.co.uk [194.222.196.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4322F37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 00:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brian@Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (root@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org [172.16.0.12]) by Awfulhak.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f497YMW15290; Wed, 9 May 2001 08:34:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@lan.Awfulhak.org) Received: from hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (brian@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.lan.Awfulhak.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f497SDB83802; Wed, 9 May 2001 08:28:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from brian@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org) Message-Id: <200105090728.f497SDB83802@hak.lan.Awfulhak.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Andy Farkas Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, brian@Awfulhak.org, brian@Awfulhak.org Subject: Re: Multilink ppp problem In-Reply-To: Message from Andy Farkas of "Wed, 09 May 2001 13:08:48 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 08:28:13 +0100 From: Brian Somers Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've just fixed this behaviour in -stable. I've attached the change in case you don't upgrade too often (save this mail to a file named patchfile and apply it by changing to /etc and running ``patch I have a remote server running 4.3-R setup to do multilink ppp using 3 > modems. It dials into Lucent PortMaster 3's - everything works fine and > traffic flows freely down all 3 lines. > > The problem is when it reboots - when ppp starts up again, it dials, > connects, authenticates, and then disconnects straight away on all three > lines! Over and over and over again :( > > Here is an extract from ppp.log when it does this: > > ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: SendIdent(16) state = Opened > ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: 3: his = PAP, mine = none > ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: Pap Output: remote ******** > ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: Pap Input: SUCCESS (Login Succeeded) > ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: mpserver: can't connect to bundle socket /var/run/ppp--03-123400000000 (Connection refused) > ppp[165]: tun0: Phase: The previous server died badly ! > ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: LayerDown > ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: SendTerminateReq(7) state = Opened > ppp[165]: tun0: LCP: 3: State change Opened --> Closing > ppp[165]: tun0: IPCP: 3: Error: Unexpected IPCP in phase Authenticate (ignored) > > I've tracked it down this: a file is leftover in /var/run. Here is what > is currently in there and will be leftover on next reboot: > > # ls -l /var/run/ppp* > srw------- 1 root wheel 0 May 9 11:36 ppp--03-123400000000= > > So my workaround is putting "rm /var/run/ppp*" in rc.network just before > it starts ppp. > > Anyone else using multilink ppp seeing this? I'm wondering if this all > started about 4 weeks ago when a set of changes were MFC'd? I've had this > setup running since September 2000 and have only recently (towards the end > of 4.2-S) had this trouble. > > -- > > :{ andyf@speednet.com.au > > Andy Farkas > System Administrator > Speednet Communications > http://www.speednet.com.au/ -- Brian Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! Index: rc =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/rc,v retrieving revision 1.212.2.24 diff -u -r1.212.2.24 rc --- rc 2001/04/25 09:19:03 1.212.2.24 +++ rc 2001/05/09 07:25:17 @@ -224,7 +224,7 @@ [ ."$file" = .. -o ."$file" = ... ] && continue [ -d "$file" -a ! -L "$file" ] && purgedir "$file" - [ -f "$file" ] && rm -f -- "$file" + [ -f "$file" -o -S "$file" ] && rm -f -- "$file" done ) done To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 1:15:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0DB537B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 01:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sven@chain.demon.nl) Received: from [195.173.248.152] (helo=chain.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14xP8Q-0004IV-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 09 May 2001 08:15:50 +0000 Received: from chain.demon.nl (spitfire.chain.loc [192.168.0.2]) by chain.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f497lx647939 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 09:47:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sven@chain.demon.nl) Message-ID: <3AF8F62B.3020906@chain.demon.nl> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 09:47:55 +0200 From: Sven Hazejager Organization: CHAIN Software Technology B.V. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; 0.8.1) Gecko/20010323 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Domino on FreeBSD? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I've been looking into Lotus Domino R5 Application a couple of times, but now I need a definite answer. Does this run??? I've tried it a couple of months ago, and it didn't, returning some error 0x19. I then gave up, but business requires me to look into it right now... Regards, Sven To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 3:30:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snoop.burghcom.com (burgcom.cust.stargate.net [209.166.166.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C877E37B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 03:30:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jl@burghcom.com) Received: (qmail 57253 invoked from network); 9 May 2001 10:30:24 -0000 Received: from host125.64-31-14.bignet.net (HELO celery) (64.31.14.125) by snoop.burghcom.com with SMTP; 9 May 2001 10:30:24 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> From: "JL" To: , References: Subject: Re: Oracle, Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 06:26:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, MySQL runs without linux emu and fits that bill. My FreeBSD server is the official MySQL development server for FreeBSD (It's nice having MySQL developers who are also admins on my production box). Jeff Love ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 8:31 PM Subject: Oracle, > Is there any way that Oracle will work on FreeBSD? I have version > 4.2 Stable FreeBSD and would like to install a reliable and stable > database package for personal and production usage. > > Thank you, > John > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 5:38:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from catastrophe.net (ss189-189.dvsn-chi-il.outlook.net [208.45.189.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 088A037B42C for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 05:38:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@catastrophe.net) Received: (qmail 27302 invoked by uid 40001); 9 May 2001 12:38:48 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 07:38:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Casey Jones To: , , Subject: Re: Getty Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello - Well, I found the problem I was experiencing. /etc/rc was sort of "blown away" during my mergemaster, and it caused no filesystem mounts to happen. So now that it is fixed, life is good. Thanks for reading this! On Wed, 9 May 2001, Casey Jones wrote: > > Hello - > > It looks like this is nothing new as I've found some questions as such > in the mailing list archives, but without solution :( > > I just did a cvsup and make world to 4.3-RELEASE > > My kernel was compiled with the same kernel config as before (one that > worked without a problem). > > However, when I boot my machine, I get the following error > > can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port /dev/ttyv0 > > The boot cycle just hangs and it echo back that error every 30 seconds or > so. > > I've definitely done a > > cd /dev && /bin/sh MAKEDEV all > > and all the devices are there properly. > > I can boot into single user mode and run "/usr/libexec/getty Pc" and get a > console. > > This goes on even if I toy with the different parameters in /etc/ttys > > I can't seem to find a fix, and it's a bit critical. If you can please > help I would appreciate it very much!! > > Thank you. > > Bill > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 6: 5: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B5B037B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 06:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id gicbaaaa for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 23:04:03 +1000 Message-ID: <3AF941AE.D698A163@quake.com.au> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:10:06 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Fatal Trap12 - Whats the cause? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hiyas, One of my fairly old boxs has suddenly been getting Fatal Trap12 then panicking and rebooting... All it dose is run natd and ipfw, the Fatal Trap12 seems to occur inside natd... I am guessing this is hardware related, I first thought it was brought on by load on natd, but it seems to just happen any old time when it feels like crashing... So what could be causing this to happen? Faulty memory? HDD? Heat issue? Any ideas? Thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 6:48:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF39137B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 06:48:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 9 May 2001 14:48:30 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 14:48:29 +0100 From: David Malone To: Kal Torak Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: Fatal Trap12 - Whats the cause? Message-ID: <20010509144829.A48546@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <3AF941AE.D698A163@quake.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF941AE.D698A163@quake.com.au>; from kaltorak@quake.com.au on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:10:06PM +1000 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:10:06PM +1000, Kal Torak wrote: > So what could be causing this to happen? Faulty memory? HDD? Heat issue? > Any ideas? Out of date modules WRT the kernel can cause this. (Among many other things, but...) David. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 9:57:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8965437B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 09:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 14xXGr-0003ya-00 for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 09 May 2001 12:57:05 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 12:57:05 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: applix 5.0 failing Message-ID: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since my last cvsup/build world to 4.3-STABLE from one of the RCs applix 5.0 has been failing to run with; pir@mrow> applix /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk12.so.2: Undefined symbol "getresuid" axnet error, axmain already started. The machines which are still at 4.2-R or 4.2-S (as of Feb 3rd) work fine. I've tried recompiling gtk and glib from ports, in case some symbols have changed but no joy. I can't recompile or otherwise change applix, since it's a binary product. Any idea what has changed here ? P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 12:44:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tensor.xs4all.nl (tensor.xs4all.nl [213.84.53.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0953337B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 12:44:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dim@xs4all.nl) Received: from matrix (matrix.xs4all.nl [192.168.1.2]) by tensor.xs4all.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B315615143; Wed, 9 May 2001 21:44:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <200105092144390341.0156740D@tensor.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20010508165734.84932.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20010508165734.84932.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (4) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:44:39 +0200 From: "Dimitry Andric" To: "SolarFlux" Cc: "FreeBSD Stable Mailing List" Subject: RE: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2001-05-08 at 09:57 SolarFlux wrote: >Any more advice? I just want a working browser! Edit /usr/ports/www/netscape4-communicator/Makefile and comment out (or delete) the following lines: .if (${PORTVERSION} =3D=3D "4.76") BROKEN=3D "Has a serious security hole, use 4.77 instead" .endif Then you can simply build all other Netscape ports (which depend on this one). If you cvsup these changes will be thrown out of course, so you might want to save a copy of Makefile. Also, don't forget to complain loudly to Netscape/AOL/TimeWarner that a FreeBSD build of 4.77 is needed! :) - -- Dimitry Andric PGP Key: http://www.xs4all.nl/~dim/dim.asc Fingerprint: 7AB462D2CE35FC6D42394FCDB05EA30A2E2096A3 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Encrypted with PGP Plugin for Calypso Comment: http://www.gn.apc.org/duncan/stoa_cover.htm iQA/AwUBOvmQDLBeowouIJajEQJiGwCeN9MlYKf7h1MSR2jw52OKiEpQFYQAoMQK x2B1jv2iflCJJ8xjUgAz8Zyo =3D2Ued -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 13:14:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from edgemaster.zombie.org (cx497943-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com [24.3.233.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B7537B424 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 13:14:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from smkelly@zombie.org) Received: by edgemaster.zombie.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 98D3855414; Wed, 9 May 2001 15:14:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:14:47 -0500 From: Sean Kelly To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Lock Problems? Message-ID: <20010509151447.A23512@edgemaster.zombie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Tue May 8 03:35:59 CDT 2001 root@edgemaster.zombie.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/EDGEMASTER Within the last few days, I've started experiencing problems with the procmail 3.15.1 port. I'm using it as my MDA from postfix-20010228.1. I've got stuff in ~/.procmailrc, such as: :0: * ^To:.*BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM boxes/bugtraq However, I've started to notice some bleeding of messages. Some messages were not ending up in boxes/freebsd-stable or boxes/freebsd-ports. This got me curious, so I turned on VERBOSE and LOGFILE. This is what I'm seeing: procmail: Assigning "MAILDIR=Mail/" procmail: Assigning "PGPLOG=autopgp.log" procmail: Assigning "MY_NAME=Sean Kelly" procmail: Assigning "MY_ADDR=smkelly@zombie.org" procmail: No match on "^Subject: *\/(send|get) (pgp|gpg|public)( key)?" procmail: Extraneous locallockfile ignored procmail: Extraneous locallockfile ignored procmail: Extraneous locallockfile ignored procmail: Match on "^To:.*BUGTRAQ@SECURITYFOCUS.COM" procmail: Locking "boxes/bugtraq.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=boxes/bugtraq" procmail: Opening "boxes/bugtraq" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock <---- ??? procmail: Error while writing to "boxes/bugtraq" <---- ??? procmail: Truncated file to former size procmail: Unlocking "boxes/bugtraq.lock" procmail: No match on "^Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG" ... procmail: Bypassed locking "/var/mail/smkelly.lock" procmail: Assigning "LASTFOLDER=/var/mail/smkelly" procmail: Opening "/var/mail/smkelly" procmail: Acquiring kernel-lock From owner-bugtraq@SECURITYFOCUS.COM Wed May 9 14:36:10 2001 Subject: Solaris mailx Vulnerability Folder: /var/mail/smkelly 5389 If it got the kernel lock, why would it fail in writing to it? Again, this is not every message that fails. I did start seeing this problem after rebuilding world/kernel, but I've also upgraded procmail. However, I have been told by other FreeBSD and procmail-3.15.1 users that they don't have the problem. I'm not entirely sure what's going on here. Since this doesn't happen all the time, and since it's being run from within my MTA, I'm not even sure how to debug it (i.e. ktrace). Is this a known problem, or does anybody have a suggestion how I can get more debugging information to figure out why my mail isn't being sorted properly? -- Sean Kelly | PGP KeyID: 77042C7B smkelly@zombie.org | http://www.zombie.org For PGP key, send e-mail with subject "send pgp key" <-- procmail allowing. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 14:23:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54F9A37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:23:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 18834 invoked by uid 100); 9 May 2001 21:23:30 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15097.46418.265527.654361@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:23:30 -0500 To: pir@pir.net Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: applix 5.0 failing In-Reply-To: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> References: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Radcliffe types: > Since my last cvsup/build world to 4.3-STABLE from one of the RCs > applix 5.0 has been failing to run with; > > pir@mrow> applix > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk12.so.2: Undefined symbol > "getresuid" > axnet error, axmain already started. > > The machines which are still at 4.2-R or 4.2-S (as of Feb 3rd) work > fine. > > I've tried recompiling gtk and glib from ports, in case some symbols > have changed but no joy. I can't recompile or otherwise change applix, > since it's a binary product. > > Any idea what has changed here ? The problem is that getresuid is now available in a library that Applixware doesn't link dynamically. The gtk port finds it at config time, and tries to use it. When invoked from Applixware, it can't find it because the library is missing, and you get the result you see here. The gtk port maintainer claims that Applixware is at fault for not having statically linked gtk. I'm not sufficiently conversant with FreeBSD's shared library mechanisms, but I figure that the gtk library should dynamically link in all the libraries it needs. Since that isn't happening, you have to work around the problem. If you clean the gtk port, then do "make config", you can go back and turn off HAVE_GETRESUID by hand in the appropriate include file. I forget the details, but I've been through it a couple of times. The resulting gtk library will then use a workaround so that you don't lose any functionality. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 14:36:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCE37B424 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:36:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA61416; Wed, 9 May 2001 23:36:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AF9B841.3D2ACF73@eboa.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 23:36:01 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JL Cc: cornwall@intelos.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: LRe: Oracle, References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG JL wrote: > > If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, MySQL runs without linux emu > and fits that bill. My FreeBSD server is the official MySQL development > server for FreeBSD (It's nice having MySQL developers who are also admins on > my production box). Not that this is the right list for this, but. For production usage you cannot compare Oracle with MySQL. There are alternatives to Oracle, even free ones like Interbase (or Firebird as it's now called but which doesn't install :() and possibly PostgreSQL. Those have transaction control (both by way of a versioning engine) and several more goodies which are needed in a production environment. Like stored procedures and triggers. They come close to Oracle. Especially Interbase/Firebird due to it being plain SQL instead of OO SQL. Yet even they lack several of the tuning needed for truly large production systems (terabytes and such). MySQL is a very good DBMS for what it does. But it has severe limits. Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 14:57:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nezu.gs.verio.net (nezu.gs.verio.net [204.27.65.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157B537B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 14:57:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeckermann@verio.net) Received: by NEZU with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2XWDMPJ6>; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:57:42 -0500 Message-ID: <08CD1781F85AD4118E0800A0C9B8580B094A75@NEZU> From: Jeff Eckermann To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Oracle, Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 16:57:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The recently-released PostgreSQL version 7.1 (in current ports) is a = big advance over previous versions. And it is as close to SQL standard compliance as about any other serious RDBMS. Definitely worth checking = out. > -----Original Message----- > From: Roelof Osinga [SMTP:roelof@eboa.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:36 PM > To: JL > Cc: cornwall@intelos.net; freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: LRe: Oracle, >=20 > JL wrote: > >=20 > > If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, MySQL runs without = linux > emu > > and fits that bill. My FreeBSD server is the official MySQL = development > > server for FreeBSD (It's nice having MySQL developers who are also > admins on > > my production box). >=20 > Not that this is the right list for this, but. >=20 > For production usage you cannot compare Oracle with MySQL. There are > alternatives to Oracle, even free ones like Interbase (or Firebird as > it's now called but which doesn't install :() and possibly = PostgreSQL. >=20 > Those have transaction control (both by way of a versioning engine) = and > several more goodies which are needed in a production environment. = Like > stored procedures and triggers. >=20 > They come close to Oracle. Especially Interbase/Firebird due to it > being plain SQL instead of OO SQL. Yet even they lack several of the > tuning needed for truly large production systems (terabytes and = such). >=20 > MySQL is a very good DBMS for what it does. But it has severe limits. >=20 > Roelof >=20 > --=20 > = _______________________________________________________________________ > eBOA=AE est. 1982 > http://eBOA.com/ tel. = +31-58-2123014 > mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=3DInformation_request fax. = +31-58-2160293 >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 16:19:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from scribe.pobox.com (scribe.pobox.com [208.210.124.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A6337B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:19:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamil_taylor@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (jamil.netaxs.com [207.8.144.30]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AC632585; Wed, 9 May 2001 19:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3AF9D08A.FB2BD58@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:19:38 -0400 From: Jamil Taylor X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: pir@pir.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: applix 5.0 failing References: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> <15097.46418.265527.654361@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmm. I built 4.3 STABLE right after a cvsup about four days ago. Applix works fine for me without me having to make any changes. I presume if I was to cvsup now, Applix would break? Mike Meyer wrote: > The problem is that getresuid is now available in a library that > Applixware doesn't link dynamically. The gtk port finds it at config > time, and tries to use it. When invoked from Applixware, it can't find > it because the library is missing, and you get the result you see > here. > > The gtk port maintainer claims that Applixware is at fault for not > having statically linked gtk. I'm not sufficiently conversant with > FreeBSD's shared library mechanisms, but I figure that the gtk library > should dynamically link in all the libraries it needs. Since that > isn't happening, you have to work around the problem. > > If you clean the gtk port, then do "make config", you can go back and > turn off HAVE_GETRESUID by hand in the appropriate include file. I > forget the details, but I've been through it a couple of times. The > resulting gtk library will then use a workaround so that you don't > lose any functionality. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 16:31: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A28037B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p122-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.122]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA16849 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 00:21:38 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:32:33 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Message-ID: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and then pass to the STABLE version. Thanks in advance, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvnTl48HcgpjoE/HEQJZRQCg873Uf25ySVZF9t0GnhP44y6s/R0Anjnd E2SDxbhI4e3TJ77TNns/2vQz =S4SA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 16:33:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dataloss.net (massive.dataloss.net [212.189.232.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 432C837B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:33:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@dataloss.net) Received: (qmail 39721 invoked by uid 1000); 9 May 2001 23:31:45 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:31:44 +0200 From: Peter van Dijk To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Message-ID: <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello to all, > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and > then pass to the STABLE version. RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? The tag for 4.3R is RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE. For going to 4.3-STABLE, that RELENG_4 tag works fine. Greetz, Peter -- dataloss networks '/ignore-ance is bliss' - me 'Het leven is een stuiterbal, maar de mijne plakt aan t plafond!' - me To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 16:34:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E64C37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:34:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 21747 invoked by uid 100); 9 May 2001 23:34:52 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15097.54300.488616.341808@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:34:52 -0500 To: Jamil Taylor Cc: pir@pir.net, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: applix 5.0 failing In-Reply-To: <3AF9D08A.FB2BD58@pobox.com> References: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> <15097.46418.265527.654361@guru.mired.org> <3AF9D08A.FB2BD58@pobox.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jamil Taylor types: > Hmm. I built 4.3 STABLE right after a cvsup about four days ago. Applix > works fine for me without me having to make any changes. I presume if I > was to cvsup now, Applix would break? The question isn't when you built your system, but what state your system was in when you built the gtk port. If you are running a recent enough version of FreeBSD - sometime when it called itself 4.2-STABLE - then you have getresuid, and the gtk port will detect and try and use it. This fails exactly as Peter reported. If your system doesn't have getresuid when you build the gtk library, you'll get the gtk-provided version, and everything works. It will continue doing so even if the system is upgraded, so long as gtk isn't upgraded. Mike Meyer wrote: > > The problem is that getresuid is now available in a library that > > Applixware doesn't link dynamically. The gtk port finds it at config > > time, and tries to use it. When invoked from Applixware, it can't find > > it because the library is missing, and you get the result you see > > here. > > > > The gtk port maintainer claims that Applixware is at fault for not > > having statically linked gtk. I'm not sufficiently conversant with > > FreeBSD's shared library mechanisms, but I figure that the gtk library > > should dynamically link in all the libraries it needs. Since that > > isn't happening, you have to work around the problem. > > > > If you clean the gtk port, then do "make config", you can go back and > > turn off HAVE_GETRESUID by hand in the appropriate include file. I > > forget the details, but I've been through it a couple of times. The > > resulting gtk library will then use a workaround so that you don't > > lose any functionality. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > -- Mike Meyer http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 16:47: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from alto.i-cable.com (alto.i-cable.com [210.80.60.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A13E537B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:46:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@chrisland.net) Received: from chrisland.net ([61.18.144.148]) by alto.i-cable.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA21267 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:47:23 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <3AF9D6E9.201CADC1@chrisland.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:46:49 +0800 From: Chris Organization: Chrisland X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: ping reply and ttl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, just upgraded to 4.3-STABLE #2. when ping to this machine: 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=0 ttl=59 time=26.476 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=26.393 ms before upgrading: 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=0 ttl=250 time=26.632 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1 ttl=250 time=44.669 ms looking around the source I found that in ip_icmp.c, "net.inet.ip.ttl" will be picked up since last commit. Any reasons, well, benefits, behind this commit? I get used to the old result and was alerted on the ttl values if something was wrong. Now I cannot rely on this value. Also in manpage of ping, it reads: In normal operation ping prints the ttl value from the packet it re- ceives. When a remote system receives a ping packet, it can do one of three things with the TTL field in its response: o Set it to 255; this is what current BSD systems do. In this case the TTL value in the received packet will be 255 minus the number of routers in the path from the remote system to the pinging host. time to change? Thanks. Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 16:50:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21E137B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 16:50:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.teixeira@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p122-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.122]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17290; Thu, 10 May 2001 00:40:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:51:26 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Peter van Dijk Cc: Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE In-Reply-To: <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> Message-ID: <20010510004213.K825-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Ok. With RELENG_4 I'm going to 4.3-STABLE right? Other short question: compile and install Please see if the following actions are correct if you please: finishing the cvsup program then: # cd /usr/src # make buildworld # make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL # make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL # shutdown now (with /etc/make.conf: DNOPROFILE=true) in single user mode # cd /usr/src # make installworld # mergemaster -v # shutdown -r now One doubt: What should I put on KERNCONF=??? ? I don't know if it is the same like "ident" on kernel config file. But if it is, the I could put "GATEWAY" like always do when I compile kernel. Thanks for your help. I'm very excited because cvsup is about to finish (I think). Bye, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com - -- PGP Public Key: http://www.pt-quorum.com/pgp/nunoteixeira.asc On Thu, 10 May 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello to all, > > > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. > > > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and > > then pass to the STABLE version. > > RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? The > tag for 4.3R is RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE. For going to 4.3-STABLE, that > RELENG_4 tag works fine. > > Greetz, Peter > -- > dataloss networks > '/ignore-ance is bliss' - me > 'Het leven is een stuiterbal, maar de mijne plakt aan t plafond!' - me > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvnYBY8HcgpjoE/HEQLGJQCg/y1E6ZxtWITfI3QxA5lVk33RLVQAmgOw pCC9zMOlTNkq/ioNpkpUiUb8 =odVH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 17: 0:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE3037B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:00:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14xdsU-00059U-00; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:00:22 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Nuno Teixeira" Cc: Subject: RE: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:59:54 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <20010510004213.K825-100000@gateway.bogus> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: One doubt: What should I put on KERNCONF=??? ? The name of your customised kernel configuration file, which you have perhaps edited to fit your system better (or to add/subtract various features). :: I don't know if it is the same like "ident" on kernel config file. But if :: it is, the I could put "GATEWAY" like always do when I compile kernel. Yes, if you have a file called "GATEWAY" in /usr/src/sys/i386/conf. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 17: 0:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF8B37B42C for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:00:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p122-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.122]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA17545 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 00:51:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:02:22 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE In-Reply-To: <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> Message-ID: <20010510005950.K825-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Ok. With RELENG_4 I'm going to 4.3-STABLE right? Other short question: compile and install Please see if the following actions are correct if you please: finishing the cvsup program then: # cd /usr/src # make buildworld # make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL # make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL # shutdown now (with /etc/make.conf: DNOPROFILE=true) in single user mode # cd /usr/src # make installworld # mergemaster -v # shutdown -r now One doubt: What should I put on KERNCONF=??? ? I don't know if it is the same like "ident" on kernel config file. But if it is, then I could put "GATEWAY" like always do when I compile kernel. Thanks for your help. I'm very excited because cvsup is about to finish (I think). Bye, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com On Thu, 10 May 2001, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hello to all, > > > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. > > > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and > > then pass to the STABLE version. > > RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? The > tag for 4.3R is RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE. For going to 4.3-STABLE, that > RELENG_4 tag works fine. > > Greetz, Peter > -- > dataloss networks > '/ignore-ance is bliss' - me > 'Het leven is een stuiterbal, maar de mijne plakt aan t plafond!' - me > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvnalI8HcgpjoE/HEQI1BQCg4a8j5HAk3z2eiIMoEJeqZCYQ2FMAnRbW XSJMm9OQhi0cMod87ilgAdlh =ntmd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 17:11:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moran.grauel.com (usr1-6.mintel.net [63.81.123.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7813137B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:11:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjk@moran.grauel.com) Received: (from rjk@localhost) by moran.grauel.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f49KGqm05049; Wed, 9 May 2001 15:16:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rjk) From: Richard J Kuhns MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15097.42419.737687.37834@moran.grauel.com> Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 15:16:51 -0500 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: pir@pir.net Subject: Re: applix 5.0 failing In-Reply-To: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> References: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.92 under 21.4 (patch 1) "Copyleft" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Radcliffe writes: > Since my last cvsup/build world to 4.3-STABLE from one of the RCs > applix 5.0 has been failing to run with; > > pir@mrow> applix > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/X11R6/lib/libgtk12.so.2: Undefined symbol > "getresuid" > axnet error, axmain already started. > > The machines which are still at 4.2-R or 4.2-S (as of Feb 3rd) work > fine. > > I've tried recompiling gtk and glib from ports, in case some symbols > have changed but no joy. I can't recompile or otherwise change applix, > since it's a binary product. > > Any idea what has changed here ? > > P. > Yeah, I bumped into this too. Versions of gtk > 1.2.8 (I think) build in a reference to getresuid(), but libc.so.3 (which applix requires) doesn't have it. I got around it by mangling gtk. I did a "make extract", edited the configure script so it just said getresuid() wasn't found, and continued with "make install". You may also be able to do something like: $ cc -shared -fPIC -DPIC -o /usr/lib/getresuid.so getresuid.c $ export LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/getresuid.so $ applix but I haven't tried it personally. Good luck. -- Richard Kuhns rjk@grauel.com PO Box 6249 Tel: (765)477-6000 \ 100 Sawmill Road x319 Lafayette, IN 47903 (800)489-4891 / To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 17:31:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9664C37B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from free@freep.org) Received: from terra ([64.166.224.190]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0GD3001DHFW9DT@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:27:26 -0700 From: Sam Subject: nfs and ipfw To: Freebsd-Stable Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0D8AD.513A7020" Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C0D8AD.513A7020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone know what rules one needs to get nfs through ipfw? 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I get used to the old > result and was alerted on the ttl values if something was wrong. Now I > cannot rely on this value. What do you mean? They are the exact same result. The first was done with a machine with a ttl of 64 (64-5=59), and the second had a ttl of 255 (255-5=250). > Also in manpage of ping, it reads: > > In normal operation ping prints the ttl value from the packet it > re- > ceives. When a remote system receives a ping packet, it can do one > of > three things with the TTL field in its response: > > o Set it to 255; this is what current BSD systems do. In this > case the > TTL value in the received packet will be 255 minus the number > of > routers in the path from the remote system to the pinging host. > > time to change? Seems accurate to me. The default of 255 can be changed with a sysctl now though. > > Thanks. > Chris Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 17:34:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from www.golsyd.net.au (golsyd.net.au [203.57.20.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4874D37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:34:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kaltorak@quake.com.au) Received: from [203.164.12.28] by www.quake.com.au (NTMail 4.30.0012/AB6169.63.5724aadf) with ESMTP id nkcbaaaa for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:33:16 +1000 Message-ID: <3AF9E335.4548E8D8@quake.com.au> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:39:17 +1000 From: Kal Torak X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Malone Cc: FreeBSD-stable Subject: Re: Fatal Trap12 - Whats the cause? References: <3AF941AE.D698A163@quake.com.au> <20010509144829.A48546@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Malone wrote: > > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 11:10:06PM +1000, Kal Torak wrote: > > So what could be causing this to happen? Faulty memory? HDD? Heat issue? > > Any ideas? > > Out of date modules WRT the kernel can cause this. (Among many other > things, but...) Everything is in sync... This only started happening a few days ago, the box was perfectly fine before (uptime of over 150 days last I checked) now Im lucky if it stays up a whole day... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 17:45:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF0B37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:45:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f4A0jDc20421; Wed, 9 May 2001 17:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:45:13 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Sam Cc: Freebsd-Stable Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw Message-ID: <20010509174513.D18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from free@freep.org on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 05:27:26PM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Sam [010509 17:32] wrote: > does anyone know what rules one needs to get nfs through ipfw? > > thank you so much, Sam Please do a web search, the way RPC services are done it's a difficult task to acomplish. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] Instead of asking why a piece of software is using "1970s technology," start asking why software is ignoring 30 years of accumulated wisdom. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 18:54:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0353B37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 18:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA62691 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 03:54:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 03:54:48 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: What gives? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG These last few days I've been upgrading. That is, attempting to. I tried Interbase/Firebird, Gnome 1.4, KDE 2, xemacs and some other ports. None of which succeeded. Some I tried multiple times. Alas. Which made me wonder. Is there a ports-stable? If not, why not? Surely there's a market for that. Do we really want to have Micro-Soft to have all the fun? Sure, they're trouble by bugs. Who isn't? But once you get the CD (or download) you can usually actually install and run it! So what stability does Micro-Soft has that FreeBSD hasn't? Just wondering. Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 19:47:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from radius.wavefire.com (radius.wavefire.com [139.142.95.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 424A337B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 19:47:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darcy@ok-connect.com) Received: (qmail 24922 invoked from network); 10 May 2001 03:01:03 -0000 Received: from ccliii.caniserv.com (HELO dbitech) (darcyb@139.142.95.253) by radius.wavefire.com with SMTP; 10 May 2001 03:01:03 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.32.20010509194716.0349b0c8@mail.ok-connect.com> X-Sender: darcyb@mail.ok-connect.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 19:47:16 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Darcy Buskermolen Subject: Re: What gives? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok when you say none were successful, what exactly was happening ? The "the thing broken" statement doesn't help much if we don't know what the thing is. At 03:54 AM 5/10/01 +0200, you wrote: >These last few days I've been upgrading. > >That is, attempting to. I tried Interbase/Firebird, Gnome 1.4, KDE 2, >xemacs and some other ports. None of which succeeded. > >Some I tried multiple times. Alas. > >Which made me wonder. Is there a ports-stable? > >If not, why not? Surely there's a market for that. Do we really want >to have Micro-Soft to have all the fun? Sure, they're trouble by bugs. >Who isn't? But once you get the CD (or download) you can usually >actually install and run it! > >So what stability does Micro-Soft has that FreeBSD hasn't? > >Just wondering. > >Roelof > >--=20 >_______________________________________________________________________ >eBOA=AE est. 1982 >http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 >mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=3DInformation_request fax. +31-58-2160293 > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 20:15: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web10001.mail.yahoo.com (web10001.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4848037B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ixkatl@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010510031456.82964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.172.73.210] by web10001.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 09 May 2001 20:14:56 PDT Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Sherrod Subject: RE: Oracle, To: Jeff Eckermann , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <08CD1781F85AD4118E0800A0C9B8580B094A75@NEZU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Question: Am I stupid enough to dive into a potential flame war? Answer: Apparently so. Just to correct the statement about MySQL not being of production grade... My current employer uses both Oracle and MySQL on our backend. Yes, MySQL lacks some of the features (transaction logging, transaction control, row level locking, 4th gen. language interface, adequate documentation of C interface, etc) but in cases where those features are not needed it is robust enough, and fast enough, to compete quite well with the bigger and more feature-filled databases. And, before I get bashed repeatedly, I know this is not the best forum for this. I just had to point out an apparent misperception. ags --- Jeff Eckermann wrote: > The recently-released PostgreSQL version 7.1 (in > current ports) is a big > advance over previous versions. And it is as close > to SQL standard > compliance as about any other serious RDBMS. > Definitely worth checking out. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roelof Osinga [SMTP:roelof@eboa.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 4:36 PM > > To: JL > > Cc: cornwall@intelos.net; > freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: LRe: Oracle, > > > > JL wrote: > > > > > > If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, > MySQL runs without linux > > emu > > > and fits that bill. My FreeBSD server is the > official MySQL development > > > server for FreeBSD (It's nice having MySQL > developers who are also > > admins on > > > my production box). > > > > Not that this is the right list for this, but. > > > > For production usage you cannot compare Oracle > with MySQL. There are > > alternatives to Oracle, even free ones like > Interbase (or Firebird as > > it's now called but which doesn't install :() and > possibly PostgreSQL. > > > > Those have transaction control (both by way of a > versioning engine) and > > several more goodies which are needed in a > production environment. Like > > stored procedures and triggers. > > > > They come close to Oracle. Especially > Interbase/Firebird due to it > > being plain SQL instead of OO SQL. Yet even they > lack several of the > > tuning needed for truly large production systems > (terabytes and such). > > > > MySQL is a very good DBMS for what it does. But it > has severe limits. > > > > Roelof > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > eBOA® > est. 1982 > > http://eBOA.com/ > tel. +31-58-2123014 > > mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request > fax. +31-58-2160293 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of > the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message ===== 'During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.' - Al Gore, March 9, 1999: On CNN's Late Edition __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 20:39:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smluc.org (smluc.org [206.138.44.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D004537B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 20:39:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from erik@smluc.org) Received: (from erik@localhost) by smluc.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA25871 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Wed, 9 May 2001 18:02:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:02:10 -0500 From: Erik Greenwald Message-Id: <200105092302.SAA25871@smluc.org> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Ok when you say none were successful, what exactly was happening ? > > The "the thing broken" statement doesn't help much if we don't know what > the thing is. > A few problems cropped up when I was reinstalling ports last weekend. The packages refused to install correctly. I'd let the thing go recursive and when it failed, I'd go into the port it failed in and run make. That'd immediately give me another sh prompt, so I'd do "make install", which did the same. The files, however, were not in place. So I did 'make deinstall', which told me that the package was not installed, and 'make install' again. For some reason, it'd succeed on the second make install. *shrug* This happened quite often when I was installing all the ports I like, and irritated me, but I didn't have time to dig in and solve it :) Another issue I was up against was that Mk/bsd.port.mk still has the fallback ftp server as ftp://ftp.freebsd.org which I guess is cached in my host table because I'm hitting the machine that that no longer allows anon ftp. That's probably all my end :) The final issue was that some of the ports were hopelessly out of date, and the servers didn't have old copies laying around. One particularly unpleasant occurance was print/tex :) I should probly email that person and complain that 7.2[ab] is dead and 7.3.3 is the only one on the servers :) -Erik [http://math.smsu.edu/~erik] The opinions expressed by me are not necessarily opinions. In all probability, they are random rambling, and to be ignored. Failure to ignore may result in severe boredom or confusion. Shake well before opening. Keep Refrigerated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 20:46:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4993D37B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 20:46:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15BE10F410; Wed, 9 May 2001 22:46:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <02cc01c0d903$bd8652c0$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Erik Greenwald" , References: <200105092302.SAA25871@smluc.org> Subject: Re: What gives? Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:46:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Make sure you do a make clean on them or make sure they are clean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Greenwald" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 6:02 PM Subject: Re: What gives? > > > > Ok when you say none were successful, what exactly was happening ? > > > > The "the thing broken" statement doesn't help much if we don't know what > > the thing is. > > > > > A few problems cropped up when I was reinstalling ports last weekend. > > The packages refused to install correctly. I'd let the thing go recursive and > when it failed, I'd go into the port it failed in and run make. That'd immediately > give me another sh prompt, so I'd do "make install", which did the same. The > files, however, were not in place. So I did 'make deinstall', which told me that > the package was not installed, and 'make install' again. For some reason, it'd > succeed on the second make install. *shrug* This happened quite often when > I was installing all the ports I like, and irritated me, but I didn't have time to dig > in and solve it :) > > Another issue I was up against was that Mk/bsd.port.mk still has the fallback > ftp server as ftp://ftp.freebsd.org which I guess is cached in my host table > because I'm hitting the machine that that no longer allows anon ftp. That's > probably all my end :) > > The final issue was that some of the ports were hopelessly out of date, and > the servers didn't have old copies laying around. One particularly unpleasant > occurance was print/tex :) I should probly email that person and complain that > 7.2[ab] is dead and 7.3.3 is the only one on the servers :) > > -Erik [http://math.smsu.edu/~erik] > > The opinions expressed by me are not necessarily opinions. In all probability, > they are random rambling, and to be ignored. Failure to ignore may result in > severe boredom or confusion. Shake well before opening. Keep Refrigerated. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 21:18:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from topperwein.dyndns.org (acs-24-154-28-172.zoominternet.net [24.154.28.172]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16A437B424 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 21:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Received: from browning.pennasoft.com (browning [192.168.168.11]) by topperwein.dyndns.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4A4INp00640 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 00:18:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from behanna@zbzoom.net) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:18:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris BeHanna Reply-To: Chris BeHanna To: FreeBSD-Stable Subject: Re: XFree 4.0.3 + Radeon QD Crashes 4.3-STABLE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 7 May 2001, Chris BeHanna wrote: > [...problems getting Radeon QD to work with XFree 4.0.3_1 on > 4.3-STABLE on an AMD 761-based motherboard with a T-bird and PC2100 > SDRAM...] > > [...Radeon and device dc0 are sharing IRQ 10...] An update: I went into the BIOS and increased the AGP memory hole from 32MB to 128MB. Now running X no longer crashes the box, but I am completely unable to get back to one of the virtual ttys via Alt-Fn or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace. The latter gets me to a blank screen that, after awhile, displays some vertical purple squiggles. At least I'm able to get in via ssh and launch X that way. The X server that runs has a giant white square where the "X" cursor should be. The Radeon, ostensibly a 64MB board, only shows 32MB probed (this is also true in Windows). Is there anyone out there who can tell me what to look for on the board to determine if my vendor ripped me off by selling me a 32MB board at a 64MB price? This *is* a VIVO board (it came with all the extra VIVO bits, and has the matching ports on the backplane), and all of the VIVO boards are 64MB, aren't they? I built KDE 2.1.1 and it runs, but none of the pixmaps are displayed, buttons are missing from dialog boxes, and my background shows portions of images from the wallpaper I used when I last ran Win2K. I have IRQs 2/9 and 13 free, but I don't know how to wire a PCI device to an IRQ. Is it done just like it is for ISA devices? Do I have to disable PnP in my BIOS? Any help is appreciated, and as I find more pieces of the puzzle, I'll report them. Meanwhile, I rebooted to the character console to avoid any potential damage to my video hardware by leaving it running in that gefiggled state. -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 21:28:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (cfedde.dsl.frii.net [216.17.139.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EBC37B423 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 21:28:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cfedde@fedde.littleton.co.us) Received: from fedde.littleton.co.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fedde.littleton.co.us (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4A4SG801532; Wed, 9 May 2001 22:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us> To: "Dimitry Andric" Cc: "SolarFlux" , "FreeBSD Stable Mailing List" Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) In-Reply-To: <200105092144390341.0156740D@tensor.xs4all.nl> From: Chris Fedde Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 22:28:16 -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 09 May 2001 21:44:39 +0200 "Dimitry Andric" wrote: +------------------ | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | On 2001-05-08 at 09:57 SolarFlux wrote: | | >Any more advice? I just want a working browser! | | Edit /usr/ports/www/netscape4-communicator/Makefile and comment out | (or delete) the following lines: | | .if (${PORTVERSION} == "4.76") | BROKEN= "Has a serious security hole, use 4.77 instead" | .endif | | Then you can simply build all other Netscape ports (which depend on | this one). If you cvsup these changes will be thrown out of course, | so you might want to save a copy of Makefile. | | Also, don't forget to complain loudly to Netscape/AOL/TimeWarner that | a FreeBSD build of 4.77 is needed! :) +------------------ Or install a recent port of Mozilla. It's not perfect yet but it is stable enough for my daily use. Good Luck -- Chris Fedde To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 23:11:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from core.usrlib.org (CC2-861.charter-stl.com [24.217.115.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D483C37B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 23:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajh3@core.usrlib.org) Received: by core.usrlib.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BE65FA8DB; Thu, 10 May 2001 01:10:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 01:10:54 -0500 From: Andrew Hesford To: Chris Fedde Cc: Dimitry Andric , SolarFlux , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Message-ID: <20010510011054.A12849@cec.wustl.edu> References: <200105092144390341.0156740D@tensor.xs4all.nl> <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us>; from chris@fedde.littleton.co.us on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:28:16PM -0600 X-Loop: Andrew Hesford Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 10:28:16PM -0600, Chris Fedde wrote: > On Wed, 09 May 2001 21:44:39 +0200 "Dimitry Andric" wrote: > +------------------ > | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > | Hash: SHA1 > | > | On 2001-05-08 at 09:57 SolarFlux wrote: > | > | >Any more advice? I just want a working browser! > | > | Edit /usr/ports/www/netscape4-communicator/Makefile and comment out > | (or delete) the following lines: > | > | .if (${PORTVERSION} == "4.76") > | BROKEN= "Has a serious security hole, use 4.77 instead" > | .endif > | > | Then you can simply build all other Netscape ports (which depend on > | this one). If you cvsup these changes will be thrown out of course, > | so you might want to save a copy of Makefile. > | > | Also, don't forget to complain loudly to Netscape/AOL/TimeWarner that > | a FreeBSD build of 4.77 is needed! :) > +------------------ > > Or install a recent port of Mozilla. It's not perfect yet but it is > stable enough for my daily use. > > Good Luck Has anybody mentioned the linux netscape port? This is up to 4.77, and will run as fast as the native FreeBSD port of netscape 4.76. You don't even need to recompile the kernel; just load the linux compatibility module and install the linux-base package. If you want to build mozilla, and are going to use the port, I would recommend manually configuring it, to remove debug options and (if you are like me) the "Mail and News" crap. -- Andrew Hesford ajh3@usrlib.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Wed May 9 23:38:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from solfertje.student.utwente.nl (wit401310.student.utwente.nl [130.89.236.150]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821A737B422 for ; Wed, 9 May 2001 23:38:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dalroi@wit401310.student.utwente.nl) Received: from solfertje.student.utwente.nl (localhost.student.utwente.nl [127.0.0.1]) by solfertje.student.utwente.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4341FC3; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:43:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:43:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Alban Hertroys Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: Peter van Dijk , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010510004213.K825-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20010510064310.0C4341FC3@solfertje.student.utwente.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I always put the "make installkernel" right after the "make installworld". I had it fail the other way around, once (I don't let that happen again). On 10 May, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > Ok. With RELENG_4 I'm going to 4.3-STABLE right? > > Other short question: compile and install > > Please see if the following actions are correct if you please: > > finishing the cvsup program then: > > # cd /usr/src > # make buildworld > # make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > # make installkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL > # shutdown now > > (with /etc/make.conf: DNOPROFILE=true) > > in single user mode > > # cd /usr/src > # make installworld > # mergemaster -v > # shutdown -r now To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 1:34:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64C637B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 01:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14xluB-0005os-00; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:34:42 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4A8YUG81387; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:34:30 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:34:30 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Peter van Dijk Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Message-ID: <20010510093430.A81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net>; from peter@dataloss.net on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:31:44AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Peter van Dijk [010510 00:35]: > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. > > > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and > > then pass to the STABLE version. > > RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? Because then you don't get an updated system after every cvsup? It's a lot easier than manually tracking BugTraq and downloading patches by hand. -- BLISS is ignorance Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 1:36: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ezifile.com.au (170.cust.pool01.adsl.syd.iprimus.net.au [203.134.164.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0419137B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 01:35:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kirild@bigpond.com) Received: from potaroo.ezifile.com.au ([192.168.17.198] helo=POTAROO) by mail.ezifile.com.au with smtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14xlyN-0001lJ-00 for stable@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:38:59 +1000 From: "Kiril Dunn" To: Subject: help Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:35:48 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 1:36:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D9537B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 01:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14xlvz-00069p-00; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:36:31 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4A8aOh81436; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:36:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:36:24 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? Message-ID: <20010510093624.B81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 03:54:48AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Roelof Osinga [010510 02:56]: > These last few days I've been upgrading. > > That is, attempting to. I tried Interbase/Firebird, Gnome 1.4, KDE 2, > xemacs and some other ports. None of which succeeded. > > Some I tried multiple times. Alas. > > Which made me wonder. Is there a ports-stable? You mean the packages on the CD? -- Man is a rational animal who always loses his temper when he is called upon to act in accordance with the dictates of reason. -- Oscar Wilde Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 3:50:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49A6C37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 03:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 2610 invoked from network); 10 May 2001 10:48:22 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (24.154.37.140) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 10 May 2001 10:48:22 -0000 Message-ID: <3AFA725D.3339AA56@cvzoom.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:50:05 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Fedde Cc: Dimitry Andric , SolarFlux , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) References: <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Chris Fedde wrote: > Or install a recent port of Mozilla. It's not perfect yet but it is > stable enough for my daily use. But does it work with java though? Galeon works with Java, I've heard. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 4:53:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de (jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de [132.176.7.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEFA37B424 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 04:53:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de) Received: from fernuni-hagen.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jfh00.fernuni-hagen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4ABrN303405; Thu, 10 May 2001 13:53:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de) Message-ID: <3AFA8133.ECE8964A@fernuni-hagen.de> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:53:23 +0200 From: Fritz Heinrichmeyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: CUV4X-DLS Board OK References: <200105092144390341.0156740D@tensor.xs4all.nl> <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us> <20010510011054.A12849@cec.wustl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Any experience with a CUV4X-DLS asus board with on board nic (intel 82559) and scsi (lsi 53c1010-33)? This will be the hardware for our next (hopefully freebsd) server. Thanks for any reply. -- Fritz Heinrichmeyer mailto:fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de FernUniversitaet Hagen, LG ES, 58084 Hagen (Germany) tel:+49 2331/987-1166 fax:987-355 http://www-es.fernuni-hagen.de/~jfh To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 5: 3: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439E237B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC82010F411; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:03:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <02eb01c0d949$1ba4d080$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Andrew Hesford" , "Chris Fedde" Cc: "Dimitry Andric" , "SolarFlux" , "FreeBSD Stable Mailing List" References: <200105092144390341.0156740D@tensor.xs4all.nl> <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us> <20010510011054.A12849@cec.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:02:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Has anybody mentioned the linux netscape port? This is up to 4.77, and > will run as fast as the native FreeBSD port of netscape 4.76. You don't > even need to recompile the kernel; just load the linux compatibility > module and install the linux-base package. Part of the problem is linux-base is broken right now, the distfiles are unfetchable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 5: 7:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E3F37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:07:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADDF467AFA; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:07:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 05:07:37 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Roelof Osinga Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gives? Message-ID: <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 03:54:48AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 03:54:48AM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote: > These last few days I've been upgrading. >=20 > That is, attempting to. I tried Interbase/Firebird, Gnome 1.4, KDE 2, > xemacs and some other ports. None of which succeeded. >=20 > Some I tried multiple times. Alas. Too bad you couldn't actually tell us what went wrong, we could have helped you. > Which made me wonder. Is there a ports-stable? >=20 > If not, why not? Surely there's a market for that. Do we really want > to have Micro-Soft to have all the fun? Sure, they're trouble by bugs. > Who isn't? But once you get the CD (or download) you can usually > actually install and run it! Not enough manpower, and it still wouldn't help if you screw up a ports-stable upgrade like you apparently did with your ports upgrade. > So what stability does Micro-Soft has that FreeBSD hasn't? Specious question, doesn't need an answer. Kris --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6+oSJWry0BWjoQKURAvWoAJ4lHoaLtkh6bBQsnzhIPXVPvWKitQCfRN/s RI8QsCOpNPxhHL6B0sW3Lnw= =qpCa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+HP7ph2BbKc20aGI-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 5:31: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from aifhs8.alcatel.fr (aifhs8.alcatel.fr [212.208.74.153]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525D637B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:31:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr) Received: from frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr (frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr [155.132.251.32]) by aifhs8.alcatel.fr (ALCANET/SMTP2) with SMTP id OAA06833; Thu, 10 May 2001 14:30:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by frmta003.netfr.alcatel.fr(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.7 (934.1 12-30-1999)) id C1256A48.0044B1D7 ; Thu, 10 May 2001 14:30:19 +0200 X-Lotus-FromDomain: ALCATEL From: Thierry.Herbelot@alcatel.fr To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: "Andrew Hesford" , "Chris Fedde" , "Dimitry Andric" , "SolarFlux" , "FreeBSD Stable Mailing List" Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 14:30:00 +0200 Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Note : linux emulation can also installed as a package, and this pakage is included in the FreeBSD 4.3-Release install CD (linux_base-6.1.tgz) TfH "David W. Chapman Jr." on 10/05/2001 14:02:38 To: "Andrew Hesford" , "Chris Fedde" cc: "Dimitry Andric" , "SolarFlux" , "FreeBSD Stable Mailing List" (bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) > Has anybody mentioned the linux netscape port? This is up to 4.77, and > will run as fast as the native FreeBSD port of netscape 4.76. You don't > even need to recompile the kernel; just load the linux compatibility > module and install the linux-base package. Part of the problem is linux-base is broken right now, the distfiles are unfetchable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 5:59:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDC337B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 05:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA65285; Thu, 10 May 2001 14:59:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "JL" Cc: , Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 May 2001 14:59:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "JL" writes: > If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, MySQL runs without linux emu > and fits that bill. No. MySQL is a fast-but-not-very-reliable storage manager with an SQL-like query and update language. PostgreSQL, on the other hand, is an SQL RDBMS. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 6: 2:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F063537B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA65301; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:02:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Andrew Sherrod Cc: Jeff Eckermann , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <20010510031456.82964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 May 2001 15:02:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20010510031456.82964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Andrew Sherrod writes: > Just to correct the statement about MySQL not being of > production grade... My current employer uses both > Oracle and MySQL on our backend. Yes, MySQL lacks some > of the features (transaction logging, transaction > control, row level locking, 4th gen. language > interface, adequate documentation of C interface, etc) > but in cases where those features are not needed it is > robust enough, and fast enough, to compete quite well > with the bigger and more feature-filled databases. No. You can't build a prober relational database without reference integrity and transaction integrity. MySQL has neither. Take my word for it as someone who has extensive experience developing applications on top of MySQL: it's not much more than a toy. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 6:36:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E58137B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:36:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 39803 invoked by uid 100); 10 May 2001 13:36:06 -0000 From: Mike Meyer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:36:06 -0500 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: "JL" , , Subject: Re: Oracle, In-Reply-To: References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dag-Erling Smorgrav types: > "JL" writes: > > If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, MySQL runs without linux emu > > and fits that bill. > No. MySQL is a fast-but-not-very-reliable storage manager with an > SQL-like query and update language. PostgreSQL, on the other hand, is > an SQL RDBMS. I never had much problems with reliability of MySQL, beyond the problems created by bugs in the code I had to provide to work around the lack of transactions. That was sufficient to convince me to never again use an RDBMS that doesn't have transaction support. I've been told MySQL has since acquired support for transactions, but haven't checked. If it's still missing referential integrity, I'd still look elsewhere. Someone asked me off-list about rdb. It's in the ports. If you've experience with it, they would probably appreciate a comment. I'd be interested in reading any comments you have as well. Thanx, http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 6:56:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD5937B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:56:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id GAA01999; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:56:08 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda01997; Thu May 10 06:55:51 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f4ADtjx12324; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdS12322; Thu May 10 06:55:04 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f4ADt4r07717; Thu, 10 May 2001 06:55:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105101355.f4ADt4r07717@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdFs7710; Thu May 10 06:54:47 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Sam , Freebsd-Stable Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 May 2001 17:45:13 PDT." <20010509174513.D18676@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:54:47 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010509174513.D18676@fw.wintelcom.net>, Alfred Perlstein writes: > * Sam [010509 17:32] wrote: > > does anyone know what rules one needs to get nfs through ipfw? > > > > thank you so much, Sam > > Please do a web search, the way RPC services are done it's a difficult > task to acomplish. Not only difficult but leaves large enough holes in your firewall to drive a Mack truck though it. Even if you could mitigate the holes in your firewall, the NFS protocol is extremely insecure which can lead to total compromise of your site. If both sites are trusted, e.g. managed by you personally, you could set up a VPN tunnel between both sites and route your NFS traffic through it. Having said that, I personally don't even allow NFS traffic through my VPN tunnels, as I try to keep sites as separate as possible reducing the risk of total compromise, should one of the sites be compromised, by containing any damage to only one site and if I can to one machine. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 7: 9: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from point.osg.gov.bc.ca (point.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E0A37B42C for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:08:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by point.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.8.7/8.8.8) id HAA02059; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:08:08 -0700 Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca(142.32.110.29) via SMTP by point.osg.gov.bc.ca, id smtpda02057; Thu May 10 07:07:58 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.11.2/8.9.1) id f4AE7rx12413; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:07:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys9.cwsent.com(10.2.2.1), claiming to be "cwsys.cwsent.com" via SMTP by passer9.cwsent.com, id smtpdO12407; Thu May 10 07:07:05 2001 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) id f4AE74P07804; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105101407.f4AE74P07804@cwsys.cwsent.com> Received: from localhost.cwsent.com(127.0.0.1), claiming to be "cwsys" via SMTP by localhost.cwsent.com, id smtpdRB7759; Thu May 10 07:06:06 2001 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group X-Sender: schubert To: Donn Miller Cc: Chris Fedde , Dimitry Andric , SolarFlux , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 May 2001 06:50:05 EDT." <3AFA725D.3339AA56@cvzoom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:06:06 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <3AFA725D.3339AA56@cvzoom.net>, Donn Miller writes: > Chris Fedde wrote: > > > Or install a recent port of Mozilla. It's not perfect yet but it is > > stable enough for my daily use. > > But does it work with java though? Galeon works with Java, I've heard. I've always had problems with Linux Netscape under FreeBSD. (Not sure how well Netscape runs under Linux itself, never had the opportunity to run it under Linux). Java eventually loops forever, freezing the Netscape application, requiring a kill -9 (it never responded to a kill -15). Switching to the native FreeBSD Netscape app, my java problems were reduced. I had this problem on a P120 with 80 MB of memory and a 333 MHz PII with 128 MB of RAM. Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA Province of BC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 7:29: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.abacus.co.uk (mailgate.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BC837B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:28:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antony@abacus.co.uk) Received: from abacus.co.uk (pcantony.bl.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.111]) by mailgate.abacus.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08875; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:27:26 +0100 Message-ID: <3AFAA59F.FFA53737@abacus.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:28:47 +0100 From: Antony T Curtis Organization: Abacus Polar PLC (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Meyer Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer wrote: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav types: > > "JL" writes: > > > If you want a reliable and stable SQL server, MySQL runs without linux emu > > > and fits that bill. > > No. MySQL is a fast-but-not-very-reliable storage manager with an > > SQL-like query and update language. PostgreSQL, on the other hand, is > > an SQL RDBMS. > > I never had much problems with reliability of MySQL, beyond the > problems created by bugs in the code I had to provide to work around > the lack of transactions. That was sufficient to convince me to never > again use an RDBMS that doesn't have transaction support. I've been > told MySQL has since acquired support for transactions, but haven't > checked. If it's still missing referential integrity, I'd still look > elsewhere. MySQL does have limited[*] transaction support when using Berkeley tables. I don't think MySQL will ever get referential integigrety ( FOREIGN KEYs et al ). Besides, there are also caevets when using such things. Remember the purpose of MySQL: It is a fast, cheap and cheerful database system for those who need something meatier than MSQL but not as fat as PostgreSQL. It has it's niche. Just because it lacks feature XYZ doesn't mean it's completely useless.... It only means that there some tasks are ill-advised to do without at least some extra thought. More many tasks which the average person is performing, it is more than adequate. Note * - If you're being strict about the definitions, it is limited. -- ANTONY T CURTIS Tel: +44 (1635) 36222 Abacus Polar Holdings Ltd Fax: +44 (1635) 38670 > The first time, it's a KLUDGE! > The second, a trick. > Later, it's a well-established technique! >  -- Mike Broido, Intermetrics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 7:39:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F332F37B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 07:39:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14xrbY-000C9l-00; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:39:48 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4AEdlu93795; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:39:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:39:47 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Antony T Curtis Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle, Message-ID: <20010510153947.A93543@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> <3AFAA59F.FFA53737@abacus.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AFAA59F.FFA53737@abacus.co.uk>; from antony@abacus.co.uk on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 03:28:47PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Antony T Curtis [010510 15:30]: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav types: > > > "JL" writes: > Remember the purpose of MySQL: It is a fast, cheap and cheerful database > system for those who need something meatier than MSQL but not as fat as > PostgreSQL. Fair enough, but in that case it's hardly a replacement for Oracle. > It has it's niche. Just because it lacks feature XYZ doesn't mean it's > completely useless.... Well, half the Net seem to use it these days, so you're right there. It's worth pointing out that: PostgreSQL is BSD-licensed, whereas MySQL has the G** Virus. PostgreSQL seems to hsve a better reputation for stability, but MySQL is much more popular. for some inexplicable reason. I could draw parallels between 2 operating systems here, but I won't. -- As the poet said, "Only God can make a tree" -- probably because it's so hard to figure out how to get the bark on. -- Woody Allen Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8: 4:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailgate.abacus.co.uk (mailgate.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16C637B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:04:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from antony@abacus.co.uk) Received: from abacus.co.uk (pcantony.bl.abacus.co.uk [194.130.48.111]) by mailgate.abacus.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24570; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:02:52 +0100 Message-ID: <3AFAADEC.DD77CE26@abacus.co.uk> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:04:12 +0100 From: Antony T Curtis Organization: Abacus Polar PLC (UK) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> <3AFAA59F.FFA53737@abacus.co.uk> <20010510153947.A93543@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rasputin wrote: > > * Antony T Curtis [010510 15:30]: > > Mike Meyer wrote: > > > > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav types: > > > > "JL" writes: > > > Remember the purpose of MySQL: It is a fast, cheap and cheerful database > > system for those who need something meatier than MSQL but not as fat as > > PostgreSQL. > > Fair enough, but in that case it's hardly a replacement for Oracle. To replace Oracle, PostgreSQL would be a better choice... However, for my tasks, it's JDBC driver is less featureful than I would like. Someone needs to complete it, and write the XA transaction stuff too. THEN it would suddenly become popular. > > It has it's niche. Just because it lacks feature XYZ doesn't mean it's > > completely useless.... > > Well, half the Net seem to use it these days, so you're right there. It's name rolls off the tounge easier than PostgreSQL.... Is there an official FAQ as to how to say it? I've always said it as "Post Gre S Q L". > It's worth pointing out that: > > PostgreSQL is BSD-licensed, whereas MySQL has > the G** Virus. True... But there again, I started using MySQL from before it had the GPL license. IMO, that was done more for "marketing" than any other reason. > PostgreSQL seems to hsve a better reputation for stability, but MySQL > is much more popular. for some inexplicable reason. > > I could draw parallels between 2 operating systems here, but I won't. Well - the reason why I have been using MySQL - due to it's simplicity and lower goals, it is much easier to hack and add in a little feature here or there. There's no stored produre support but manually writing one in isn't such a big problem. > -- > As the poet said, "Only God can make a tree" -- probably because it's > so hard to figure out how to get the bark on. > -- Woody Allen > Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: -- ANTONY T CURTIS Tel: +44 (1635) 36222 Abacus Polar Holdings Ltd Fax: +44 (1635) 38670 > Reality is for people who lack imagination. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:12:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gifw.genroco.com (genroco.com [205.254.195.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F20537B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:12:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from gi2.genroco.com (IDENT:root@gi2.genroco.com [192.133.120.3]) by gifw.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06719; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:12:31 -0500 Received: from scot.genroco.com (scot.genroco.com [192.133.120.125]) by gi2.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05139; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:13:07 -0500 Message-ID: <011a01c0d963$94929d00$7d7885c0@genroco.com> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Rasputin" Cc: References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> <20010510093430.A81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:12:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Rasputin" > * Peter van Dijk [010510 00:35]: > > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. > > > > > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > > > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > > > > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and > > > then pass to the STABLE version. > > > > RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? > > Because then you don't get an updated system after every cvsup? > It's a lot easier than manually tracking BugTraq and downloading patches by hand. > There is also the RELENG_4_3_0 Branch, whos purpose is to have only security related fixes applied. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:15:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from athena.hq.herculeez.com (adsl-213-254-161-195.mistral-uk.net [213.254.161.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0505237B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:15:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@herculeez.com) Received: (qmail 51463 invoked from network); 10 May 2001 15:14:53 -0000 Received: from madoka.hq.herculeez.com (HELO herculeez.com) (192.168.0.23) by athena.hq.herculeez.com with SMTP; 10 May 2001 15:14:53 -0000 Message-ID: <3AFAB0C9.765BC217@herculeez.com> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:16:25 +0100 From: Simon Loader Reply-To: simon@surf.org.uk Organization: www.herculeez.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en, fr, cs MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> <20010510093430.A81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <011a01c0d963$94929d00$7d7885c0@genroco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > by hand. > > > There is also the RELENG_4_3_0 Branch, whos purpose is to have only security > related fixes applied. > I thought that was RELENG_4_3 which kept up with security fixes and RELENG_4_3_0 is a tag and not a Branch ? -- Simon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:17:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zeppo.it.uu.se (zeppo.it.uu.se [130.238.15.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BFA37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@csd.uu.se) Received: (from ertr1013@localhost) by zeppo.it.uu.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19104 for stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:17:49 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:17:49 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Message-ID: <20010510171748.A16611@student.uu.se> References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> <20010510093430.A81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <011a01c0d963$94929d00$7d7885c0@genroco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <011a01c0d963$94929d00$7d7885c0@genroco.com>; from hetzels@westbend.net on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:12:06AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 10:12:06AM -0500, Scot W. Hetzel wrote: > From: "Rasputin" > > * Peter van Dijk [010510 00:35]: > > > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > > > > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to > STABLE. > > > > > > > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > > > > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > > > > > > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R > and > > > > then pass to the STABLE version. > > > > > > RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? > > > > Because then you don't get an updated system after every cvsup? > > It's a lot easier than manually tracking BugTraq and downloading patches > by hand. > > > There is also the RELENG_4_3_0 Branch, whos purpose is to have only security > related fixes applied. > The tag for that branch is actually RELENG_4_3 unless I am badly mistaken. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:21:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from gifw.genroco.com (genroco.com [205.254.195.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760FE37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from gi2.genroco.com (IDENT:root@gi2.genroco.com [192.133.120.3]) by gifw.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA06750; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:21:20 -0500 Received: from scot.genroco.com (scot.genroco.com [192.133.120.125]) by gi2.genroco.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05200; Thu, 10 May 2001 10:21:57 -0500 Message-ID: <014101c0d964$d07ec5e0$7d7885c0@genroco.com> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: , References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> <20010510093430.A81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <011a01c0d963$94929d00$7d7885c0@genroco.com> <3AFAB0C9.765BC217@herculeez.com> Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 10:20:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From: "Simon Loader" > > by hand. > > > > > There is also the RELENG_4_3_0 Branch, whos purpose is to have only security > > related fixes applied. > > > I thought that was > RELENG_4_3 which kept up with security fixes > and RELENG_4_3_0 is a tag and not a Branch ? > Your correct, it is RELENG_4_3. Scot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:21:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2605B37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:21:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4AFLeu23213 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:21:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4AFLe239151 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:21:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:21:40 +0100 (BST) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Subject: Re: Oracle, In-Reply-To: <3AFAADEC.DD77CE26@abacus.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 May 2001, Antony T Curtis wrote: > It's name rolls off the tounge easier than PostgreSQL.... Is there an > official FAQ as to how to say it? I've always said it as "Post Gre S Q > L". "Post Gres Q L". http://www.fr.postgres.org/postgresql.wav Gavin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:23:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zeppo.it.uu.se (zeppo.it.uu.se [130.238.15.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F231A37B424 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:23:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@csd.uu.se) Received: (from ertr1013@localhost) by zeppo.it.uu.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA19473 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:23:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:23:36 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Message-ID: <20010510172335.B16611@student.uu.se> References: <20010510002722.Q825-100000@gateway.bogus> <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> <20010510093430.A81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <011a01c0d963$94929d00$7d7885c0@genroco.com> <3AFAB0C9.765BC217@herculeez.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AFAB0C9.765BC217@herculeez.com>; from simon@herculeez.com on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:16:25PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:16:25PM +0100, Simon Loader wrote: > > > by hand. > > > > > There is also the RELENG_4_3_0 Branch, whos purpose is to have only security > > related fixes applied. > > > I thought that was > RELENG_4_3 which kept up with security fixes > and RELENG_4_3_0 is a tag and not a Branch ? > Yes, and no. RELENG_4_3 is the branch for "4.3-Release plus security-fixes but no new features." RELENG_4_3_0 doesn't exist. The tag for 4.3-Release is RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE. (And RELENG_4 gives 4-STABLE.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 8:44:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hercules.icarz.com (ns1.icarz.com [207.99.22.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2211D37B43C for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 08:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenm@icarz.com) Received: from newken (dhcp113.icarz.com [207.99.22.113]) by hercules.icarz.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f4AFi9F06993; Thu, 10 May 2001 11:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301c0d968$0eda7d40$711663cf@icarz.com> From: "Ken Menzel" To: "Andrew Sherrod" , "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" Cc: "Jeff Eckermann" , References: <20010510031456.82964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Oracle, Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:44:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Re: row locking, transactions and "toy", please see this page. http://netgraft.com/~mbac/research/mysqlmyths.html ----------------------------------------------------- Ken Menzel ICQ# 9325188 www.icarz.com kenm@icarz.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dag-Erling Smorgrav" To: "Andrew Sherrod" Cc: "Jeff Eckermann" ; Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Oracle, > Andrew Sherrod writes: > > Just to correct the statement about MySQL not being of > > production grade... My current employer uses both > > Oracle and MySQL on our backend. Yes, MySQL lacks some > > of the features (transaction logging, transaction > > control, row level locking, 4th gen. language > > interface, adequate documentation of C interface, etc) > > but in cases where those features are not needed it is > > robust enough, and fast enough, to compete quite well > > with the bigger and more feature-filled databases. > > No. You can't build a prober relational database without reference > integrity and transaction integrity. MySQL has neither. Take my word > for it as someone who has extensive experience developing applications > on top of MySQL: it's not much more than a toy. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:10:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (relay.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.34.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC76637B424 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mandric@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from EECS.Berkeley.EDU (mandric@argus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.79]) by relay.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05901; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandric@localhost) by EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23081; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: argus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU: mandric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Milan Andric To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Alfred Perlstein , Sam , Freebsd-Stable Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw In-Reply-To: <200105101355.f4ADt4r07717@cwsys.cwsent.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Can't you just allow udp from you nfs server ip? in rc.firewall: ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${ip} to NFS-SERVER ${fwcmd} add pass udp from NFS-SERVER to ${ip} Milan On Thu, 10 May 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > In message <20010509174513.D18676@fw.wintelcom.net>, Alfred Perlstein > writes: > > * Sam [010509 17:32] wrote: > > > does anyone know what rules one needs to get nfs through ipfw? > > > > > > thank you so much, Sam > > > > Please do a web search, the way RPC services are done it's a difficult > > task to acomplish. > > Not only difficult but leaves large enough holes in your firewall to > drive a Mack truck though it. > > Even if you could mitigate the holes in your firewall, the NFS protocol > is extremely insecure which can lead to total compromise of your site. > If both sites are trusted, e.g. managed by you personally, you could > set up a VPN tunnel between both sites and route your NFS traffic > through it. Having said that, I personally don't even allow NFS > traffic through my VPN tunnels, as I try to keep sites as separate as > possible reducing the risk of total compromise, should one of the sites > be compromised, by containing any damage to only one site and if I can > to one machine. > > > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:16:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from whistle.com (s205m131.whistle.com [207.76.205.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5703337B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dhw@whistle.com) Received: (from smap@localhost) by whistle.com (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f4AGGKM29345; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:16:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pau-amma.whistle.com( 207.76.205.64) by whistle.com via smap (V2.0) id xma029342; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:16:02 -0700 Received: (from dhw@localhost) by pau-amma.whistle.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4AGG2u97467; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:16:02 -0700 (PDT) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200105101616.f4AGG2u97467@pau-amma.whistle.com> To: mandric@EECS.Berkeley.EDU Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) >From: Milan Andric >Can't you just allow udp from you nfs server ip? >in rc.firewall: >${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${ip} to NFS-SERVER >${fwcmd} add pass udp from NFS-SERVER to ${ip} >Milan >On Thu, 10 May 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: >> Not only difficult but leaves large enough holes in your firewall to >> drive a Mack truck though it. Yup; that would qualify as "large enough holes in your firewall to drive a Mack truck though it". At least. (Was it your intent to provide an example of what Cy wrote...?) Actually, if you want all UDP to flow unhindered, why bother with a "firewall"??!? (OK; there could be some reasons -- like just tracking usage, to using dummynet facilities... but calling the result a "firewall" isn't very useful.) Cheers, david -- David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:19: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.newst.irs.ru (newst.irs.ru [212.164.94.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C2B37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:18:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fjoe@newst.net) Received: from lark.nsk.bsgdesign.com (lark.nsk.bsgdesign.com [192.168.3.21]) by mail.newst.irs.ru (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4AGIUK99072; Thu, 10 May 2001 23:18:30 +0700 (NOVST) (envelope-from fjoe@newst.net) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 23:18:30 +0700 (NOVST) From: Max Khon X-Sender: fjoe@lark.nsk.bsgdesign.com To: Antony T Curtis Cc: Rasputin , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, In-Reply-To: <3AFAADEC.DD77CE26@abacus.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, there! On Thu, 10 May 2001, Antony T Curtis wrote: > It's name rolls off the tounge easier than PostgreSQL.... Is there an > official FAQ as to how to say it? I've always said it as "Post Gre S Q > L". http://postgresql.readysetnet.com/postgresql.mp3 PostgreSQL is not that "fat". It should (and does in most cases) outperform MySQL under medium-to-high loads. This is why Sourceforge migrated to PostgreSQL recently. http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3 /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:28: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from web1005.mail.yahoo.com (web1005.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.23.95]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E09A37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedovaty@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29704 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2001 16:27:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20010510162759.29703.qmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.204.248.100] by web1005.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:27:59 PDT Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jano Lukac Subject: Re: Oracle (way ot) To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG WAY OFF TOPIC, sorry about that, but thought this would be a sneaky chance to ask if anyone knows a "news portal" thing (similar to slashcode or newspro) that works with postgresql. Didn't have much luck with freshmeat or google. I think squishdot might work, but that uses zope and I fear zope. --- Max Khon wrote: > hi, there! > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Antony T Curtis wrote: > > > It's name rolls off the tounge easier than PostgreSQL.... Is there an > > official FAQ as to how to say it? I've always said it as "Post Gre S Q > > L". > > > http://postgresql.readysetnet.com/postgresql.mp3 > > PostgreSQL is not that "fat". It should (and does in most > cases) outperform MySQL under medium-to-high loads. This is why > Sourceforge migrated to PostgreSQL recently. > http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3 > > > /fjoe > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:28:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6198337B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f4AGRw825021; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:27:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:27:57 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Milan Andric Cc: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group , Sam , Freebsd-Stable Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw Message-ID: <20010510092757.N18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <200105101355.f4ADt4r07717@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mandric@EECS.Berkeley.EDU on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:10:34AM -0700 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Milan Andric [010510 09:11] wrote: > > Can't you just allow udp from you nfs server ip? > in rc.firewall: > > ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${ip} to NFS-SERVER > ${fwcmd} add pass udp from NFS-SERVER to ${ip} What about mountd, statd and lockd? -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:31:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C0B37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:31:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA65970; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:31:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Mike Meyer Cc: "JL" , , Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 May 2001 18:31:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer writes: > I never had much problems with reliability of MySQL, beyond the > problems created by bugs in the code I had to provide to work around > the lack of transactions. That was sufficient to convince me to never > again use an RDBMS that doesn't have transaction support. I've been > told MySQL has since acquired support for transactions, but haven't > checked. If it's still missing referential integrity, I'd still look > elsewhere. MySQL 3.23 supports transactions if you use the (non-default) Sleepycat DB 3 as backing store. It also has row-level locking. I'm not sure how well either of these features work; they're both very new. It still doesn't support referential integrity, non-trivial constraints (i.e. anything more advanced than NULL and UNIQUE) or stored procedures. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:37: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051CC37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:36:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA65993; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:36:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: "Ken Menzel" Cc: "Andrew Sherrod" , "Jeff Eckermann" , Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <20010510031456.82964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <005301c0d968$0eda7d40$711663cf@icarz.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 May 2001 18:36:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <005301c0d968$0eda7d40$711663cf@icarz.com> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Ken Menzel" writes: > Re: row locking, transactions and "toy", please see this page. > http://netgraft.com/~mbac/research/mysqlmyths.html I've seen it before, thanks. When will people stop quoting this document as conclusive proof that MySQL is a real RDBMS? The only item of interest it mentions is the addition of transaction support in recent versions of MySQL. Everything else in there is either meaningless, irrelevant to the issue, or both. MySQL is still a toy. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:37:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (relay.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.34.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ED037B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mandric@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) Received: from EECS.Berkeley.EDU (mandric@argus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU [169.229.60.79]) by relay.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06641; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:37:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (mandric@localhost) by EECS.Berkeley.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23116; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: argus.EECS.Berkeley.EDU: mandric owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:37:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Milan Andric To: David Wolfskill Cc: Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw In-Reply-To: <200105101616.f4AGG2u97467@pau-amma.whistle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 May 2001, David Wolfskill wrote: > >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Milan Andric > > >Can't you just allow udp from you nfs server ip? > >in rc.firewall: > > >${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${ip} to NFS-SERVER > >${fwcmd} add pass udp from NFS-SERVER to ${ip} > > >Milan > > >On Thu, 10 May 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > >> Not only difficult but leaves large enough holes in your firewall to > >> drive a Mack truck though it. > > Yup; that would qualify as "large enough holes in your firewall to drive > a Mack truck though it". At least. (Was it your intent to provide an > example of what Cy wrote...?) > > Actually, if you want all UDP to flow unhindered, why bother with a > "firewall"??!? to limit it by ip, and wouldn't a reverse lookup keep people from spoofing? vpn is not currently an option here, so how else does one deal with nfs? Isn't it the most common way to share in unix environments? So it's probably a common problem. How do we deal with it sanely? If the answer is "don't use it." i'll accept that.. but it's not very helpful to those that are hooked. > (OK; there could be some reasons -- like just tracking > usage, to using dummynet facilities... but calling the result a > "firewall" isn't very useful.) > > Cheers, > david > -- > David Wolfskill dhw@whistle.com UNIX System Administrator > Desk: 650/577-7158 TIE: 8/499-7158 Cell: 650/759-0823 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:42: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy1.mitre.org (mb-20-100.mitre.org [129.83.20.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF8D37B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:42:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv1.mitre.org (avsrv1.mitre.org [129.83.20.58]) by smtpproxy1.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20686; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB1 (mailhub1.mitre.org [129.83.20.31]) by smtpsrv1.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA10891; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub1.mitre.org with SMTP id 6447730; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3AFAC4A4.9EAD5D4E@mitre.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:41:08 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Wolfskill Cc: mandric@eecs.berkeley.edu, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw References: <200105101616.f4AGG2u97467@pau-amma.whistle.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David Wolfskill wrote: > > >Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 09:10:34 -0700 (PDT) > >From: Milan Andric > > >Can't you just allow udp from you nfs server ip? > >in rc.firewall: > > >${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${ip} to NFS-SERVER > >${fwcmd} add pass udp from NFS-SERVER to ${ip} > > >Milan > > >On Thu, 10 May 2001, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: > > >> Not only difficult but leaves large enough holes in your firewall to > >> drive a Mack truck though it. > > Yup; that would qualify as "large enough holes in your firewall to drive > a Mack truck though it". At least. (Was it your intent to provide an > example of what Cy wrote...?) > > Actually, if you want all UDP to flow unhindered, why bother with a > "firewall"??!? (OK; there could be some reasons -- like just tracking > usage, to using dummynet facilities... but calling the result a > "firewall" isn't very useful.) Couldn't you specify something like: No UDP traffic allowed in on the external interface, Rest of firewall rules. You may not even have to be that severe, shouln't the anti-spoof provisions work fine as long as your NFS-SERVER is behind the firewall (which I have to assume it is, as NFS over the internet is not only dog slow, but completely and utterly exploitable. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:47: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tortugas.irbs.com (tortugas.irbs.com [216.86.160.243]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07AF37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:47:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jc@irbs.com) Received: by tortugas.irbs.com (Postfix, from userid 108) id C4DAF13627; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:46:53 -0400 From: John Capo To: Fritz Heinrichmeyer Cc: FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: CUV4X-DLS Board OK Message-ID: <20010510124653.A16442@tortugas.irbs.com> Reply-To: jc@irbs.com References: <200105092144390341.0156740D@tensor.xs4all.nl> <200105100428.f4A4SG801532@fedde.littleton.co.us> <20010510011054.A12849@cec.wustl.edu> <3AFA8133.ECE8964A@fernuni-hagen.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AFA8133.ECE8964A@fernuni-hagen.de>; from fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 01:53:23PM +0200 X-Organization: IRBS Engineering, inc. 954-463-3771 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have one CUV4X-DLS workstation and the only problem I found was VMware did not think the ATA CDROM was a CDROM. SCSI CDROM works fine. Should be fine as a server. John Capo Quoting Fritz Heinrichmeyer (fritz.heinrichmeyer@fernuni-hagen.de): > Any experience with a > CUV4X-DLS asus board with on board nic (intel 82559) and scsi (lsi > 53c1010-33)? > This will be the hardware for our next (hopefully freebsd) server. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 9:56:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.fcg.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A72037B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 09:56:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.fcg.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14xtjj-000IUR-00; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:56:23 +0100 To: des@ofug.org, kenm@icarz.com Subject: Re: Oracle, Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ixkatl@yahoo.com, jeckermann@verio.net In-Reply-To: Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:56:23 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > meaningless, irrelevant to the issue, or both. MySQL is still a toy. Define 'toy' - the usual meaning of the word implies that it has no useful purpose. Arguing that mySQL is not an RDBMS is reat, and anyone with half a brain will aree with you. Arguing that it has no usefulness in any situation is not a valid conclusion to draw fromthis - unless you are so narrow minded that you think computers are only good for RDBMS systems. The underlying filesystem has no support for RDBMS facilities either. This does not mean that it is an unsuitable place to store data, nor does it mean that fopen(), fclose() etc are 'toys' and unsuitable for writing real systems with. Preseumably you also consider 'dbm' and friends to be toys as well for similar reasons ? There is a useful skill known as "programming" which enables people to build systems on top of already supplied facilites. mySQL provides a set of facilities that extend what flat files provide and are useful to certain people build certain types of system. If you find that you cant live wthout transactional support then you are a poor programmer (there are ways to program around them). On the other hand it may well be a lot more cost-effective if you need them to move to an Oracle platform so you can devote brain power to doing more useful things that overcomming shortcommings of your chosen data storage platform. We have a website that needs fast access to a big list of data, mainly read only. For that we use mySQL. The financial stuff goes into an Oracle database sitting on an OpenVMS system at the backend. We could use the Oracle for the frontend, but it would be slower, much harder to program (there are no Oracle libraries existsing for the web development environment we are using) and extortionately expensive as Oracle dont provide sensible lisenses for the VMS versions of their products (despite this being the most stableplace to run them). In short maybe you should learn something about using the apoprorpiate tool for the job - and not denigrating other tols just because they are unsuitable for *your* job. -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 11: 8:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from peak.mountin.net (peak.mountin.net [207.227.119.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38F937B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 11:08:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by peak.mountin.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id NAA23191; Thu, 10 May 2001 13:06:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jeff-ml@mountin.net) Received: from dial-192.tnt1.rac.cyberlynk.net(209.224.182.192) by peak.mountin.net via smap (V1.3) id sma023189; Thu May 10 13:06:16 2001 Message-Id: <4.3.2.20010510130326.017e7ba0@207.227.119.2> X-Sender: jeff-ml@207.227.119.2 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:06:37 -0500 To: Alban Hertroys , Nuno Teixeira From: "Jeffrey J. Mountin" Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE Cc: Peter van Dijk , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010510064310.0C4341FC3@solfertje.student.utwente.nl> References: <20010510004213.K825-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 08:43 AM 5/10/01 +0200, Alban Hertroys wrote: >I always put the "make installkernel" right after the "make >installworld". I had it fail the other way around, once (I don't let >that happen again). This is bad advice for the reason that it is much easier to boot with the old kernel than to back out an entire installworld. I'd attribute your failure when doing it the correct way to a number of things, including pilot error, and not the official procedure. Jeff Mountin - jeff@mountin.net Systems/Network Administrator FreeBSD - the power to serve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 12: 6:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tethys.valhalla.net (tethys.valhalla.net [195.26.32.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF6937B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:06:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@tethys.valhalla.net) Received: by tethys.valhalla.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 1CF1C33009; Thu, 10 May 2001 20:06:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:06:36 +0100 From: Mark Drayton To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw Message-ID: <20010510200636.B31701@tethys.valhalla.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200105101616.f4AGG2u97467@pau-amma.whistle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mandric@EECS.Berkeley.EDU on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 09:37:22AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Milan Andric (mandric@EECS.Berkeley.EDU) wrote: > > On Thu, 10 May 2001, David Wolfskill wrote: > > > Actually, if you want all UDP to flow unhindered, why bother with a > > "firewall"??!? > to limit it by ip, and wouldn't a reverse lookup keep people > from spoofing? > > vpn is not currently an option here, so how else does one deal with > nfs? Isn't it the most common way to share in unix environments? So > it's probably a common problem. How do we deal with it sanely? If > the answer is "don't use it." i'll accept that.. but it's not very > helpful to those that are hooked. NFS is a useful way of sharing files between machines, but these machines are usually on the same network which is all behind one firewall. It's not normailly used to share data between sites over the internet. Depending what you want to do, rsync is a good way of replicating data between machines. It'll run over ssh for encryption and it would be easy to open a single port on your firewall to allow it. rsync is in the ports. Cheers, -- Mark Drayton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 12:57:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3828337B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 12:57:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14xwXd-0005w5-00; Fri, 11 May 2001 07:56:05 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group" , "Donn Miller" Cc: "Chris Fedde" , "Dimitry Andric" , "SolarFlux" , "FreeBSD Stable Mailing List" Subject: RE: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:55:36 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200105101407.f4AE74P07804@cwsys.cwsent.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: :: I've always had problems with Linux Netscape under FreeBSD. (Not sure :: how well Netscape runs under Linux itself, never had the opportunity to :: run it under Linux). Java eventually loops forever, freezing the :: Netscape application, requiring a kill -9 (it never responded to a kill :: -15). Switching to the native FreeBSD Netscape app, my java problems :: were reduced. I had this problem on a P120 with 80 MB of memory and a :: 333 MHz PII with 128 MB of RAM. :: Navigator does that under Linux as well... a lot. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 13:19:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [130.64.1.215]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC2037B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 13:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 14xwu1-0007nI-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Thu, 10 May 2001 16:19:13 -0400 Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 16:19:12 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: applix 5.0 failing Message-ID: <20010510161912.D22572@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20010509125705.B14261@pir.net> <15097.46418.265527.654361@guru.mired.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15097.46418.265527.654361@guru.mired.org>; from mwm@mired.org on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 04:23:30PM -0500 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Mike Meyer probably said: > If you clean the gtk port, then do "make config", you can go back and > turn off HAVE_GETRESUID by hand in the appropriate include file. I > forget the details, but I've been through it a couple of times. The > resulting gtk library will then use a workaround so that you don't > lose any functionality. Commented out #define HAVE_GETRESUID 1 in config.h, rebuilt gtk, and applix mostly works again - it's having font issues now, but that may be something else and it does run. Thanks, P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 14:51: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dojo.tao.ca (tao.ca [198.96.117.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D782837B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 14:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anarcat@tao.ca) Received: by dojo.tao.ca (Postfix, from userid 1823) id 0E2EC4EB5; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:51:04 -0400 From: The Anarcat To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: nfs and ipfw Message-ID: <20010510175104.A20106@dojo> Reply-To: anarcat@tao.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. I am suddenly becoming very interested in that thread. :) My home setup is the following: outside <----> router <----> hub <----> NFS server The "firewall" is of course on the router. The router often needs access to the read-only /usr/{src|obj|ports} shares of the NFS server for obvious reasons.=20 I only allow "client" NFS connections out from the router, and only originating from the router itself, of course.=20 Here are the 3 rules I used to allow the router to connect to the inside nfs server:=20 ${fwcmd} add pass udp from ${iip} to ${shall} 111 out xmit ${iif} keep-state ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from ${iip} to ${shall} 1000-1050 out xmit ${iif} set= up ${fwcmd} add pass tcp from ${iip} to ${shall} 22,2049 out xmit ${iif} setup 111 is for portmap, 1000-1050,2049 is for nfsd.=20 I do have strange "Bad RPC" messages when umounting /usr/ports, but apart from that, I have a working setup.=20 A. Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group wrote: >=20 > In message <20010509174513.D18676@fw.wintelcom.net>, Alfred Perlstein > writes: > > * Sam [010509 17:32] wrote: > > > does anyone know what rules one needs to get nfs through ipfw? > > > > > > thank you so much, Sam > > > > Please do a web search, the way RPC services are done it's a difficult > > task to acomplish. >=20 > Not only difficult but leaves large enough holes in your firewall to > drive a Mack truck though it. >=20 > Even if you could mitigate the holes in your firewall, the NFS protocol > is extremely insecure which can lead to total compromise of your site. > If both sites are trusted, e.g. managed by you personally, you could > set up a VPN tunnel between both sites and route your NFS traffic > through it. Having said that, I personally don't even allow NFS > traffic through my VPN tunnels, as I try to keep sites as separate as > possible reducing the risk of total compromise, should one of the sites > be compromised, by containing any damage to only one site and if I can > to one machine. >=20 > Regards, Phone: (250)387-8437 > Cy Schubert Fax: (250)387-5766 > Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Internet: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca > Open Systems Group, ITSD, ISTA > Province of BC >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- La s=E9mantique est la gravit=E9 de l'abstraction. --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjr7DUgACgkQ7uV99pHLOSJ49wCeIWYkxyjcUC11DMaLZVCOvz7k 7tsAnA7rXy4B+DQVxim7gxZnJvupBFEj =+UFQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LZvS9be/3tNcYl/X-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 15:29: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4996C37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:28:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B361766C04; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:28:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:28:57 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems Group Cc: Donn Miller , Chris Fedde , Dimitry Andric , SolarFlux , FreeBSD Stable Mailing List Subject: Re: NS 4.76 instead of 4.77 in 4.3-RELEASE? (GRRR) Message-ID: <20010510152857.C10234@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3AFA725D.3339AA56@cvzoom.net> <200105101407.f4AE74P07804@cwsys.cwsent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200105101407.f4AE74P07804@cwsys.cwsent.com>; from Cy.Schubert@uumail.gov.bc.ca on Thu, May 10, 2001 at 07:06:06AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 07:06:06AM -0700, Cy Schubert - ITSD Open Systems G= roup wrote: > In message <3AFA725D.3339AA56@cvzoom.net>, Donn Miller writes: > > Chris Fedde wrote: > >=20 > > > Or install a recent port of Mozilla. It's not perfect yet but it is > > > stable enough for my daily use. > >=20 > > But does it work with java though? Galeon works with Java, I've heard. I've had reasonably good results with the Java plugin..much better than with netscape (either version) although I've not played too much with it. Kris --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6+xYpWry0BWjoQKURAv5TAJ9nq3Ht8eFm3i2XPjGylSfBKewQQgCfemne E03iTvylgCrO8vl2rSNIrd0= =eFR4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4ZLFUWh1odzi/v6L-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 15:53:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imf10bis.bellsouth.net (mail010.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE5B037B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 15:53:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lauasanf@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([66.20.111.204]) by imf10bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.01.01 201-252-104) with ESMTP id <20010510225411.JDSN12553.imf10bis.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:54:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3AFB1BF2.2080605@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 17:53:38 -0500 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just cvsup'd 4.3, and my sound appears to have broken during the upgrade. I've got an SBLive! that has worked reliably under everything since 4.0-RELEASE. Did anything change, or did PCM just break? -- Cotharyus lauasanf@bellsouth.net ICQ: 8690555 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 17:19:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D6C837B505 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:19:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p069-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.69]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA09851 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:10:34 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:21:08 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: Reply-To: Nuno Teixeira To: Subject: mergemaster DEFAULT but STABLE? Message-ID: <20010511010844.A317-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I've just upgraded my system from 4.2R to 4-STABLE for the first time without any errors. The problem is the right use of mergemaster. I have see around this list that some of you use other techniques of find diffs and install, merge or do nothing about /etc files. For the first time I use mergemaster and I do a lot of wrong things, and the system stopted. But, I have a backup of /etc and now everything is working even with the old /etc files. What I like to know is what are the best way to use mergemaster (or other thing else) without puting in risk some important files but be updated? What I looking for is something like make buildworld, installworld, buildkernel, installkernel, etc..., because them doens't ask anything to the user but mergemaster do and if we do anything wrong, then the system maybe stops. Thanks very much. Now I am a STABLE guy! Bye, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvswe48HcgpjoE/HEQLosgCeMGfpXLvt5mV9slURrLGG2lqHHvYAniIR 15Du7+PS05B3ZlW2ehSLMaFr =OXed -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 17:34:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6904737B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:34:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p069-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.69]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA10058 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:25:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:36:21 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: Reply-To: Nuno Teixeira To: Subject: 4-STABLE and now the ports? Message-ID: <20010511013105.A317-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I have upgraded my system to 4-STABLE. Now I'd like to know how I upgrade my ports too. Should I use the /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile? Now I'll run cvsup regularly with the stable-supfile. Can I use both to keep my system stable but with the earlier ports? Thanks, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvs0Co8HcgpjoE/HEQL8eACgzXYsfIcHf9bvh0VEFhJzKcZ9Lj4AoM3S tYiIxXdArfoDdefoSjhXalso =Brgx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 17:49:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE91537B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 17:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA67944; Fri, 11 May 2001 02:49:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB36FC.BD2D711B@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:49:00 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510093624.B81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rasputin wrote: > > ... > You mean the packages on the CD? What CD? Nothing against Walnut Creek, au contraire actually, but the last time I installed something unixy from CD was a Linux release when Linux was not 1. Yet it was, barely, slackware. I mean, hey, I was young - figuratively speaking - and it was new and shiny. Downloading was murder in those days ('93/'94) and I was a sucker for shiny things. Magpies are we and all that jazz. Nonetheless, you are putting, nay forcing, the finger on a sore spot. That stuff works 'stabily' at release time does not mean it will keep on working stabily on latter times. Hence my query. For the record, I'm not knocking FreeBSD. Quite the contrary as it so happens. But I suppose, when I'm forced to be honest against both my (last) will and better judgement, I am knocking a perceived tendency to incline to release updates before they're time. Sure. There is something to be said for timely releases. Especially when you are - like Micro Soft - in it for the money, but there is also something to be said for, well, thrustworthiness I guess. Roelof PS again, this is after I had three to five ports fail on me just after I 'inspired' people onto FreeBSD. It's an emotional (over)reaction, like, of course, everything is ;). -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18: 0:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7545A37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greid@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sobek.openirc.co.uk ([62.252.8.22]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010511010013.WONP285.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@sobek.openirc.co.uk>; Fri, 11 May 2001 02:00:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:00:12 +0100 (BST) From: George Reid X-Sender: greid@sobek.openirc.co.uk To: Drew Sanford Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 In-Reply-To: <3AFB1BF2.2080605@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 May 2001, Drew Sanford wrote: > I've just cvsup'd 4.3, and my sound appears to have broken during the > upgrade. I've got an SBLive! that has worked reliably under everything > since 4.0-RELEASE. Did anything change, or did PCM just break? Yes, stuff changed. Some error messages (boot -v dmesg, pciconf -l etc) would help. greid -- +-------------------+---------------------+ | George Reid | FreeBSD Committer | | +44 7740 197460 | greid@FreeBSD.org | +-------------------+---------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18:10:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDE537B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:10:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA68018; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:10:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:10:44 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > ... > Too bad you couldn't actually tell us what went wrong, we could have > helped you. Oh, but I can. How many KB would be appropriate? Highlights are -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1955761 May 10 00:30 gnome -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 636835 May 10 02:46 kde2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2694 May 2 16:02 xemacs21 let's proceed with the latter. test:/root/cvsup$ cat /root/logs/ports/xemacs21 Script started on Wed May 2 16:02:09 2001 ===> Installing for xemacs-21.1.14 ===> xemacs-21.1.14 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/enriched.doc - not found ===> Verifying install for /usr/local/lib/xemacs/xemacs-packages/etc/enriched.doc in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages ===> Extracting for xemacs-packages-1.9 >> Checksum OK for xemacs/apel-1.20-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/auctex-1.24-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/c-support-1.16-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/cc-mode-1.24-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/debug-1.14-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum mismatch for xemacs/dired-1.09-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/edit-utils-1.57-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/efs-1.22-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/fsf-compat-1.08-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/hm--html-menus-1.16-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/ispell-1.22-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/mail-lib-1.36-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/mailcrypt-2.07-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/net-utils-1.15-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/os-utils-1.25-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/pcl-cvs-1.53-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/prog-modes-1.35-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/ps-print-nomule-1.05-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/psgml-1.23-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/sgml-1.08-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/sh-script-1.13-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/texinfo-1.20-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/text-modes-1.29-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/time-1.11-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/vc-1.26-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/viper-1.25-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/w3-1.18-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/xemacs-base-1.51-pkg.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for xemacs/xemacs-devel-1.31-pkg.tar.gz. Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file (/usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages/distinfo) are up to date. If you are absolutely sure you want to override this check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]". *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs21. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs21. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/editors/xemacs21. Script done on Wed May 2 16:02:13 2001 test:/root/cvsup$ OK, I've noticed the hint to define NO_CHECKSUM to be 'yes'. So? This is not the very first time I installed xemacs... > > Which made me wonder. Is there a ports-stable? > > ... > > Not enough manpower, and it still wouldn't help if you screw up a > ports-stable upgrade like you apparently did with your ports upgrade. That's a different discussion entirely. Usually it starts with RTFM. To which I would answer but I did RTFM! But now you're saying well... if it did not work then you did something wrong. Period. The lack of manpower I dig. No argument there. But that does not mean it's fine to release ports that will or even can not install. Again, it's not like it's very bleak but it sure does feel like it is happening more regurarly recently than it did in the (near) past. Feels bad to me. > > So what stability does Micro-Soft has that FreeBSD hasn't? > > Specious question, doesn't need an answer. A specious answer, did you really mean to say I'm a show off? Flippant I could've conde, yet specious... Nah. What I was trying to bring across was something that Bert Driehuis by private email picked up, to wit, that MS software at least would sort of run; whereas I'm beginning to get the impression that the same does not necessarily hold true for FreeBSD ports anymore. Still, to equate a visually pleasing question with a question that does not need answering... Well.... I ask you... > Kris Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18:36:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDD337B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:36:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA68115; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:36:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB4213.478BDACE@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:36:19 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darcy Buskermolen Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3.0.32.20010509194716.0349b0c8@mail.ok-connect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Darcy Buskermolen wrote: > > Ok when you say none were successful, what exactly was happening ? > > The "the thing broken" statement doesn't help much if we don't know what > the thing is. Well, it's a rant. Not a cry for help. If there's a decided buglet I report it using send-pr. When I try to draw peoples attention to a perceived wrong I post a message like this one ;). Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18:41:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE0137B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:41:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA68134 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:41:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB4349.9D5747D8@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:41:29 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510093624.B81309@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AFB36FC.BD2D711B@eboa.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Roelof Osinga wrote: > > tendency to incline to release updates before they're time. Ought to be 'their', naturally. Sorry for the inconvenience. RO To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18:47: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E0137B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14y21H-0006Am-00 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:47:03 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: SSH DSA key fingerprint changed after going from 4.2-STABLE -> 4.3-STABLE Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:46:18 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is this normal? I can't recall seeing that happening before, e.g. when going from 4.2-RELEASE to 4.2-STABLE, and 4.3-RELEASE to 4.3-STABLE. -- Juha The malformed orange Fails to satisfy the eye: Segmentation fault. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18:53:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3CC37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA12552; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105110151.SAA12552@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Simple question about cvsup: 4.2R -> STABLE In-Reply-To: <20010510013144.E313@dataloss.net> from Peter van Dijk at "May 10, 1 01:31:44 am" To: peter@dataloss.net (Peter van Dijk) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:51:52 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 12:32:33AM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > I have FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE installed and and want to pass it to STABLE. > > > > I have already started cvsup with the stable-supfile configured with > > "*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_4". > > > > I want to know if this is correct of should have to upgrade to 4.3R and > > then pass to the STABLE version. > > RELENG_4 is just fine. However, why not go to 4.3R and stay there? The > tag for 4.3R is RELENG_4_3_0_RELEASE. For going to 4.3-STABLE, that > RELENG_4 tag works fine. Even better would be the tag "RELENG_4_3", which is the 4.3 release with security and bug fixes, but with no "merged from current" new functionality. -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 18:54:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741D837B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 18:54:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA68191; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:53:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB4627.E9B7295@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:53:43 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Menzel Cc: Andrew Sherrod , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Jeff Eckermann , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <20010510031456.82964.qmail@web10001.mail.yahoo.com> <005301c0d968$0eda7d40$711663cf@icarz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ken Menzel wrote: > > Re: row locking, transactions and "toy", please see this page. > http://netgraft.com/~mbac/research/mysqlmyths.html I did. It only asks those questions it can answer favorably. Fact: MySQL does support transactions, just not by default because it's believed to be too significant a speed hit for most people to need. If you are willing to accept the speed hit for transactions you can use the BDB table type. As DAG said, it's not an option. As I said, MySQL is a nice DBMS for its niche. Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 19: 7:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E39737B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:07:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from oberman@ptavv.es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4B27Kc30622; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:07:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200105110207.f4B27Kc30622@ptavv.es.net> To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mergemaster DEFAULT but STABLE? In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 11 May 2001 01:21:08 BST." <20010511010844.A317-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.7) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart_Thu_May_10_19:06:30_2001-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 19:07:20 -0700 From: "Kevin Oberman" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Multipart_Thu_May_10_19:06:30_2001-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Here is my tutorial on running mergemaster. Please send any comments/complaints back to me if you think it useful. R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 --Multipart_Thu_May_10_19:06:30_2001-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mergemaster.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mergemaster-Why and How The purpose of mergemaster is to allow changes to files that are frequently/normally configured by an system administrator. These are mostly in the /etc tree. When you run mergemaster, it will build a copy of the root environment, normally in /var/tmp/temproot. Once this is done, you will get a list of files you have on your system that are not in the FreeBSD distribution. These are files that are not part of the distribution (e.g. passwd), files installed by X11 or files you have created. It's a good idea to scan over this list, but I'll admit that I seldom bother. Then you will start getting the output of "diff | more" for all files that are different from the new version. If the file is one you have not customized, you almost certainly want to select 'i' to install the newer file. You may also get some files that don't exist on your system because they were added to the tree since your prior installation. You almost certainly want to install 'i' these, too. If you have a reason to not want to install the new version or make any changes to the old version, choose 'd'. When you get to a file that you have edited, you probably want to do merge. If you select 'm', you will get an sdiff display where you can blend lines from your existing file (on the left) and the new file (on the right) by entering 'l' or 'r'. If the changes are such that simply selecting 'l' or 'r' does not do the right thing, you can choose 'e' to bring up the file in an editor so that you can make it look exactly like you want it to look. Always include the RCS version line from the new (right) version. This will keep you from needing to go through this every time you run mergemaster, even if there have been no changes made to the CVS version of the file. I always look at the differences, even though I know I will be selecting the new version. There is a lot of easily understandable information about changes in the system and it might cause you to realize that something is messed up in the current installation or something new that you want to learn more about. The first time you run mergemaster is the worst. After you have done your merges, future runs won't ask about the most files because the RCS versions will not be changed (unless, of course, the distribution file HAS changed.) Running mergemaster is usually a pretty quick operation if you update your system often as there are fewer changes to deal with on any run. I usually update at least once a month and sometime more often if I see patches that look like they are relevant to me. --Multipart_Thu_May_10_19:06:30_2001-1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 19:15: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD67537B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:14:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA68250; Fri, 11 May 2001 04:14:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB4B15.83C7FCB8@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:14:45 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Antony T Curtis Cc: Rasputin , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, References: <003b01c0d872$733f8d30$060aa8c0@celery> <15098.39238.25226.854963@guru.mired.org> <3AFAA59F.FFA53737@abacus.co.uk> <20010510153947.A93543@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AFAADEC.DD77CE26@abacus.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Antony T Curtis wrote: > > ... > It's name rolls off the tounge easier than PostgreSQL.... Is there an > official FAQ as to how to say it? I've always said it as "Post Gre S Q > L". You don't want to know. Originally, as I remember it and I can't look it up since I lent out that copy of Chris Date's Intro, there waa the actual Quel language from which grew the Sequel language - not to be confused with a lazy mans pronunciation of SQL (AKA Structured Query Language) - in the same time that QBE was surrected. [remember S/38 ?] I can't look it up because that party never returned that copy of the IBM's series of Systems Programming by Addison Wesley. Alas. My faith in humanity took a turn for the worse that era. The point is that from that initial Quel language, from which the Sequel language spawned, that inspired the SQL definition, became or was Ingres which came from the very same lap if not lab which PostgreSQL grew. From Ingres to Postgres one could say. Roelof PS OK, slap me, for I deserve to be punished for glossing things over -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 19:16:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from realtime.net (dragon.realtime.net [205.238.128.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B41E437B422; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:16:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brucegb@realtime.net) Received: from tigerfish2.my.domain ([205.238.179.171]) by realtime.net ; Thu, 10 May 2001 21:16:38 -0600 Received: (from brucegb@localhost) by tigerfish2.my.domain (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f4B2MKO15365; Thu, 10 May 2001 21:22:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brucegb) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:22:20 -0500 From: Bruce Burden To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: hmmm, getting 4.3 to talk to net yypasswd file... Message-ID: <20010510212220.A15329@tigerfish2.my.domain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi gang, I have a 4.3 box at work. I have YP and NIS installed, and running. The problem is, I can't log in using my corporate UID. This is due to one of two problems (I think!) 1. The 4.3 box is using KerberosV encryption on the passwords, and the net is using either crypt (likely) or md5 (unlikely). 2. I don't have ksh installed, and my yp password entry specified ksh as the shell. I say it is likely the corporate network is using crypt, because crypt and md5 are the two options my SUN workstation talk about, and that uses YP/NIS. It is unlikely a SVR4 shop would be using md5, but... It is also possible that I have both problems. Where can I find a ksh to download? The one in ports fails looking for INIT, and I haven't found a ksh package. I can view the password and hosts entries, so I am fairly confident YP/NIS is working. Yes, I am aware that I could set up a local password entry for my UID, with matching UID/GID, but I would prefer to use the coroporate entry, in case the MIS group decides to change things... :-) Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 19:33:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762F337B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:33:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA68330; Fri, 11 May 2001 04:33:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB4F6C.8E87B813@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:33:16 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete French Cc: des@ofug.org, kenm@icarz.com, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ixkatl@yahoo.com, jeckermann@verio.net Subject: Re: Oracle, References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Pete French wrote: > > > meaningless, irrelevant to the issue, or both. MySQL is still a toy. > > Define 'toy' - the usual meaning of the word implies that it has no Goody, an argument! 3 : something for a child to play with according to Merriam-Webster. And nobody is arguing with that. So why are you? > useful purpose. Arguing that mySQL is not an RDBMS is reat, and anyone > with half a brain will aree with you. Arguing that it has no usefulness Worse. Those with a full brain will agree too. > in any situation is not a valid conclusion to draw fromthis - unless you > are so narrow minded that you think computers are only good for RDBMS > systems. Nope. For like I said, it's perfect for children to play with. So what's the problem? > The underlying filesystem has no support for RDBMS facilities either. > This does not mean that it is an unsuitable place to store data, nor does > it mean that fopen(), fclose() etc are 'toys' and unsuitable for writing > real systems with. By that you're knocking Oracle running on, say, Linux? I warn you, some might say that Linux is an unsuitable place to store Mission-Critical data! > Preseumably you also consider 'dbm' and friends to be toys as well for > similar reasons ? Nah. Not for *similar* reasons! ;) > There is a useful skill known as "programming" which enables people to > build systems on top of already supplied facilites. mySQL provides a set > of facilities that extend what flat files provide and are useful to > certain people build certain types of system. If you find that you cant > live wthout transactional support then you are a poor programmer (there > are ways to program around them). On the other hand it may well be > a lot more cost-effective if you need them to move to an Oracle platform > so you can devote brain power to doing more useful things that overcomming > shortcommings of your chosen data storage platform. To program means to write. Secondly it means an outline to be followed. Computers, of course, are suckers. They actually believe they're supposed to do just that. But, hey, were still working on that! "are useful to certain people" has been expressed before. "wthout transactional support then you are a poor programmer" is discrimatory and "(there are ways to program around them)" is known as writing a transacion control program... so you were saying? "more useful things that overcomming shortcommings of your chosen data storage platform" to solve that dilemma the obvious answer seems to be to not pick a platform with shortcomings in the first place. I agree. What's your point? > ... > We could use the Oracle for the frontend, but it would be slower, much > harder to program (there are no Oracle libraries existsing for the web > development environment we are using) and extortionately expensive > as Oracle dont provide sensible lisenses for the VMS versions of their > products (despite this being the most stableplace to run them). Now your cooking! MySQL is perfect for its niche. This is what everybody has been saying. Yet it is not for all niches, as you have been agreeing. So, again, what is the argument? > In short maybe you should learn something about using the apoprorpiate > tool for the job - and not denigrating other tols just because they > are unsuitable for *your* job. Which is restating my original argument. To which you weren't replying, but still... . Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 19:42:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745AB37B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 19:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id EAA68366; Fri, 11 May 2001 04:42:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFB5197.819880AC@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 04:42:31 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4-STABLE and now the ports? References: <20010511013105.A317-100000@gateway.bogus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Nuno Teixeira wrote: > > ... > I have upgraded my system to 4-STABLE. Now I'd like to know how I upgrade > my ports too. Should I use the /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile? > > Now I'll run cvsup regularly with the stable-supfile. Can I use both to > keep my system stable but with the earlier ports? If you've modified the "*default host=CHANGE_THIS.FreeBSD.org" entry as well as any other entry that begged attention, yeah, you should. But mind that they are distinct files. You can roll them into one, but that is something you should do yourself. It's not done for you. Check the archives. It has been done - and asked - before. Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 22:29:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B8E37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 22:29:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CFE766C04; Thu, 10 May 2001 22:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:29:36 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Roelof Osinga Cc: Kris Kennaway , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gives? Message-ID: <20010510222936.A15908@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:10:44AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:10:44AM +0200, Roelof Osinga wrote: > >> Checksum mismatch for xemacs/dired-1.09-pkg.tar.gz. This file is corrupt or out of date. Re-fetch it. > > Not enough manpower, and it still wouldn't help if you screw up a > > ports-stable upgrade like you apparently did with your ports upgrade. >=20 > That's a different discussion entirely. Usually it starts with RTFM. > To which I would answer but I did RTFM! >=20 > But now you're saying well... if it did not work then you did something > wrong. Period. It's usually the case. You haven't demonstrated any problems so far which would be solved by a "ports-stable". For example, you would still have had the xemacs21 problem your described in this email, because it's not a problem with the xemacs21 port, but a problem with the distfile you fetched for it. > The lack of manpower I dig. No argument there. >=20 > But that does not mean it's fine to release ports that will or even > can not install. Again, it's not like it's very bleak but it sure does > feel like it is happening more regurarly recently than it did in the > (near) past. Feels bad to me. There's nothing wrong with the xemacs21 port. You could go and fetch the package to prove this (if the port was broken, the package wouldn't build). > > > So what stability does Micro-Soft has that FreeBSD hasn't? > >=20 > > Specious question, doesn't need an answer. >=20 > A specious answer, did you really mean to say I'm a show off? Flippant > I could've conde, yet specious... Nah. Specious \Spe"cious\, a.=20 2. Apparently right; superficially fair, just, or correct, but not so in reality; appearing well at first view; plausible; as, specious reasoning; a specious argument. Your assertion that the FreeBSD Ports Collection is somehow as badly broken as Microsoft products may have seemed jusitifed to you, but it is based on flawed reasoning and is not supported by the evidence you have presented to support your conclusion. Kris --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6+3i/Wry0BWjoQKURAsozAKDoYy/U4SE03WuLvXTyWjpzkQfl0ACgiMsh b0IMgRMX5xH6zxnaX0CUcDA= =YQ2G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 22:32:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C3D37B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 22:32:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B9E6A66C04; Thu, 10 May 2001 22:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:32:47 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Juha Saarinen Cc: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: Re: SSH DSA key fingerprint changed after going from 4.2-STABLE -> 4.3-STABLE Message-ID: <20010510223247.A16069@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="liOOAslEiF7prFVr" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from juha@saarinen.org on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:46:18PM +1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:46:18PM +1200, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Is this normal? I can't recall seeing that happening before, e.g. when going > from 4.2-RELEASE to 4.2-STABLE, and 4.3-RELEASE to 4.3-STABLE. Shouldn't happen unless you re-make the key. Kris --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6+3l/Wry0BWjoQKURAmHKAJ9UscTKKg7WDp3Rgo/VOdo2T6RNYQCgoym3 4ggyvxSOCgQv+KImLBmDIqE= =E11/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 22:38:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF9937B422 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 22:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14y5cx-0006Oh-00; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:38:11 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Kris Kennaway" Cc: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Subject: RE: SSH DSA key fingerprint changed after going from 4.2-STABLE -> 4.3-STABLE Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:37:25 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010510223247.A16069@xor.obsecurity.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Shouldn't happen unless you re-make the key. Checked, and the key is the same as before. Well, at least it has the same time/date stamp as before. -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Thu May 10 23:48:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from everest.wananchi.com (everest.wananchi.com [62.8.64.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 925FC37B423 for ; Thu, 10 May 2001 23:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wash@wananchi.com) Received: from wash by everest.wananchi.com with local (Exim 3.22 #2) id 14y6hA-000ACq-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:46:36 +0300 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:46:35 +0300 From: Odhiambo Washington To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mergemaster DEFAULT but STABLE? Message-ID: <20010511094635.C36681@everest.wananchi.com> Mail-Followup-To: Odhiambo Washington , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20010511010844.A317-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010511010844.A317-100000@gateway.bogus>; from "Nuno Teixeira" on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 01:21:08AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD everest.wananchi.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ X-Location: Nairobi, KE, East Africa. X-Uptime: 9:42AM up 13 days, 23:45, 2 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.12, 0.08 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Nuno Teixeira [20010511 03:18]: writing= on the subject 'mergemaster DEFAULT but STABLE?' Nuno> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nuno> Hash: SHA1 Nuno>=20 Nuno> Hello to all, Nuno>=20 Nuno> I've just upgraded my system from 4.2R to 4-STABLE for the first time Nuno> without any errors. Nuno>=20 Nuno> The problem is the right use of mergemaster. I have see around this l= ist Nuno> that some of you use other techniques of find diffs and install, merg= e or Nuno> do nothing about /etc files. Nuno>=20 Nuno> For the first time I use mergemaster and I do a lot of wrong things, = and Nuno> the system stopted. But, I have a backup of /etc and now everything is Nuno> working even with the old /etc files. Nuno>=20 Nuno> What I like to know is what are the best way to use mergemaster (or o= ther Nuno> thing else) without puting in risk some important files but be update= d? Nuno>=20 Nuno> What I looking for is something like make buildworld, installworld, Nuno> buildkernel, installkernel, etc..., because them doens't ask anything Nuno> to the user but mergemaster do and if we do anything wrong, then the Nuno> system maybe stops. Nuno>=20 Nuno> Thanks very much. Now I am a STABLE guy! In my own case, I run mergemaster -v and what I do is that I install all the files from the temproot EXCEPT for those files I know I have added customizations to, like /etc/group, syslog.conf, which I opt to do 'by hand'. This is on the assumption that the files in temproot should be having the latest 'desired' changes. Of course I stand corrected, but since I adopted this course of action, I've never had a problem with mergemaster. -Wash -- Odhiambo Washington Wananchi Online Ltd., wash@wananchi.com 1st Flr Loita Hse Tel: 254 2 313985 Loita Street., Fax: 254 2 313922 PO Box 10286, 00100-NAIROBI,KE. One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people. --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6+4rLn7LIsuxjem8RAuxPAJ0djvH14mjLATTF2UQX5UiPIgF3MQCgvRMY 1Z1c/Tn8hrfCpsS9g+A2KAg= =8UL2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --IS0zKkzwUGydFO0o-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 1:48:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFE637B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97] ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 14y8as-00096C-00; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:48:14 +0100 Received: (from rasputin@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4B8mDk21294; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:48:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rasputin) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:48:13 +0100 From: Rasputin To: Roelof Osinga Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? Message-ID: <20010511094813.A20755@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Reply-To: Rasputin References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:10:44AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Roelof Osinga [010511 02:12]: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > Too bad you couldn't actually tell us what went wrong, we could have > > helped you. > Oh, but I can. How many KB would be appropriate? > Highlights are > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1955761 May 10 00:30 gnome > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 636835 May 10 02:46 kde2 Freaky - those two both work for me. > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 2694 May 2 16:02 xemacs21 ( /me considers having to off-topic holy wars in one day...naah) No. Can't say i use that particular editor myself. (Ah, that went OK.) > let's proceed with the latter. > >> Checksum OK for xemacs/xemacs-devel-1.31-pkg.tar.gz. > Make sure the Makefile and distinfo file (/usr/ports/editors/xemacs-packages/distinfo) > are up to date. If you are absolutely sure you want to override this > check, type "make NO_CHECKSUM=yes [other args]". > *** Error code 1 > OK, I've noticed the hint to define NO_CHECKSUM to be 'yes'. So? > This is not the very first time I installed xemacs... Sounds like your ports tree is shafted, because the ports work for others. > > > So what stability does Micro-Soft has that FreeBSD hasn't? I think you misspelt 'is anoyone else having trouble with the xemacs port?' -- Immortality -- a fate worse than death. -- Edgar A. Shoaff Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 1:56:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.fcg.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC0C37B422 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:56:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.fcg.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14y8ix-000JEA-00; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:56:35 +0100 To: roelof@eboa.com Subject: Re: Oracle, Cc: des@ofug.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ixkatl@yahoo.com, jeckermann@verio.net, kenm@icarz.com In-Reply-To: <3AFB4F6C.8E87B813@eboa.com> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:56:35 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Goody, an argument! > 3 : something for a child to play with If you accept that children often play with things that are highly useful to adults then theres no argument... > Now your cooking! MySQL is perfect for its niche. This is what = > everybody > has been saying. Yet it is not for all niches, as you have been = > agreeing. > So, again, what is the argument? The argeument is that whether it's niche is merely something for children to play with. Its fairly obvious that it isnt - there are many non trivial applications for which transaction support isnt necessary - so I think you are just using the word to annoy people and start an argument. -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 1:57:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dilbert.fcg.co.uk (dilbert.firstcallgroup.co.uk [194.203.69.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B665737B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 01:57:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfrench@firstcallgroup.co.uk) Received: from pfrench by dilbert.fcg.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14y8k1-000JEN-00; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:57:41 +0100 To: roelof@eboa.com Subject: Re: Oracle, Cc: des@ofug.org, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, ixkatl@yahoo.com, jeckermann@verio.net, kenm@icarz.com In-Reply-To: <3AFB4F6C.8E87B813@eboa.com> Message-Id: From: Pete French Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:57:41 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG appologies that last reply was inetnded to go into private email, not to -stable. -pcf. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 2:50:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from kgb-50.kgb.ru (KGB-50.NTVInet.net [62.212.32.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 005DA37B422 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 02:50:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ash@kgb.ru) Received: from [62.212.32.80] by kgb-50.ntvinet.net (NTMail 5.06.0016/QL0133.00.6b6cc6c5) with ESMTP id zylgaaaa for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:50:01 +0400 Message-ID: <003e01c0d9ff$799ec4f0$5020d43e@ash> From: "Alexander Naumochkin" To: "Nuno Teixeira" , References: <20010511010844.A317-100000@gateway.bogus> Subject: Re: mergemaster DEFAULT but STABLE? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:48:04 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I've just upgraded my system from 4.2R to 4-STABLE for the first time > without any errors. Congratulations! :) > The problem is the right use of mergemaster. I have see around this list > that some of you use other techniques of find diffs and install, merge or > do nothing about /etc files. > > For the first time I use mergemaster and I do a lot of wrong things, and > the system stopted. But, I have a backup of /etc and now everything is > working even with the old /etc files. > > What I like to know is what are the best way to use mergemaster (or other > thing else) without puting in risk some important files but be updated? > > What I looking for is something like make buildworld, installworld, > buildkernel, installkernel, etc..., because them doens't ask anything > to the user but mergemaster do and if we do anything wrong, then the > system maybe stops. For the newbies I always recomend the following steps: 1. Run "mergemaster -svia" 2. Rerun "mergemaster -svir" At the 2nd step mergemaster shall ask you alot of questions like "What do you want to do with ?" Always choose "i" (install new version) for the files you [must] never change (periodic-scripts, rc-scripts for example). And always choose "d" (delete new version and keep existing) for the files like /etc/master.passwd or /etc/group. Some files (inetd.conf for example) may require special kind of interaction - "m" (merge old and new versions), but mergemasters interface is clean enough for this task, just be accurate :-) Probably. it may be simple to install new versions of such files and then reedit them as you need. At the end answer "yes" on the questions about delete /var/tmp/temproot, if you don't want to get some difficulties on next mergemastering... > Thanks very much. Now I am a STABLE guy! You WILL be stable guy after succsefull mergemaster :-)))) Hope this helps... -- //ash To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 2:54:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from raven.ravenbrook.com (raven.ravenbrook.com [193.82.131.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA05D37B422 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 02:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nb@ravenbrook.com) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (thrush.ravenbrook.com [193.112.141.249]) by raven.ravenbrook.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03927 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:54:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from thrush.ravenbrook.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thrush.ravenbrook.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4B9sC603014 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:54:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nb@thrush.ravenbrook.com) From: Nick Barnes To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Oracle, In-Reply-To: Message from Pete French of "Fri, 11 May 2001 09:56:35 BST." Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <3012.989574852@thrush.ravenbrook.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This flamage war is most inappropriate here. As you may recall, this started out with the following question: At 2001-05-09 00:31:30+0000, cornwall@intelos.net wrote: > Is there any way that Oracle will work on FreeBSD? I have version > 4.2 Stable FreeBSD and would like to install a reliable and stable > database package for personal and production usage. This is a question about Oracle. The correct answer is something like this: "Yes. See " We are all agreed that Oracle does some things which MySQL does not. Maybe cornwall@intelos.net needs those things. He wasn't asking about MySQL. So can we please drop the subject now? Sheesh. Nick B At 2001-05-11 08:56:35+0000, Pete French writes: > > Goody, an argument! > > 3 : something for a child to play with > > If you accept that children often play with things that are highly > useful to adults then theres no argument... > > > Now your cooking! MySQL is perfect for its niche. This is what = > > everybody > > has been saying. Yet it is not for all niches, as you have been = > > agreeing. > > So, again, what is the argument? > > The argeument is that whether it's niche is merely something for children > to play with. Its fairly obvious that it isnt - there are many non > trivial applications for which transaction support isnt necessary - so I > think you are just using the word to annoy people and start an argument. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 2:59:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from woody.ichilton.co.uk (woody.ichilton.co.uk [216.29.174.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B300437B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 02:59:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ian@woody.ichilton.co.uk) Received: by woody.ichilton.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3F5AB80B4; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:59:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:59:28 +0100 From: Ian Chilton To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: natd locks me out Message-ID: <20010511105928.A22838@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Reply-To: Ian Chilton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.13i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, I have been working on a firewall/nat on a remote Freebsd-4.2 machine I upgraded to -stable (4.3-release) Everything looked fine until I did: sh rc.firewall > firewall.out 2>&1 Then, I noticed errors and found it was because I didn't have IPDIVERT in the kernel. So, I re-compiled the kernel again, rebooted and it disappeared :( Luckly, the guy that owns the box was going past there today, so he got it back online, and said that if he disabled natd in rc.conf, by commenting out: natd_enable="YES" natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" it worked again.. I was suprised at this as the firewall is still in!! So, I checked the logs and everything looked fine. With "sh rc.firewall > firewall.out 2>&1" the firewall looked fine - no errors now. I commented out some port forward stuff from natd.conf and typed: natd -f /etc/natd.conf and all seemed fine. So, I rebooted the box, and it hasn't come back. :-(( My natd.conf is like this: interface vr0 log_denied use_sockets unregistered_only (vr0 is the external i/f with a static ip and the internet connection from which I am trying to connect over..) Any ideas what's happening? Thanks! Bye for Now, Ian \|||/ (o o) /-----------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----------------------------\ | Ian Chilton E-Mail: ian@ichilton.co.uk | | IRC Nick: GadgetMan Backup: ichilton@www.linux.org.uk | | ICQ: 16007717 / 104665842 Web : http://www.ichilton.co.uk | |--------------------------------------------------------------------| | For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 3: 8:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from freeway.dcfinc.com (cx74889-a.phnx3.az.home.com [24.1.193.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5F637B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:08:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chad@freeway.dcfinc.com) Received: (from chad@localhost) by freeway.dcfinc.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id DAA14030; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:07:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from chad) From: "Chad R. Larson" Message-Id: <200105111007.DAA14030@freeway.dcfinc.com> Subject: Re: Oracle, In-Reply-To: <3AFAADEC.DD77CE26@abacus.co.uk> from Antony T Curtis at "May 10, 1 04:04:12 pm" To: antony@abacus.co.uk (Antony T Curtis) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 03:07:57 -0700 (MST) Cc: rara.rasputin@virgin.net, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: chad@DCFinc.com Organization: DCF, Inc. X-O/S: FreeBSD 2.2.8-STABLE X-Unexpected: The Spanish Inquisition X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL40 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG As I recall, Antony T Curtis wrote: > It's name rolls off the tounge easier than PostgreSQL.... Is there an > official FAQ as to how to say it? I've always said it as "Post Gre S > Q L". There are audio files at their home web server so you can hear it from the horses mouth. http://www.postgresql.org -crl -- Chad R. Larson (CRL15) 602-953-1392 Brother, can you paradigm? chad@dcfinc.com chad@larsons.org larson1@home.com DCF, Inc. - 14623 North 49th Place, Scottsdale, Arizona 85254-2207 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 3:51:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imf08bis.bellsouth.net (mail108.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.58.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3345E37B423; Fri, 11 May 2001 03:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lauasanf@bellsouth.net) Received: from bellsouth.net ([66.20.111.204]) by imf08bis.bellsouth.net (InterMail vM.5.01.01.01 201-252-104) with ESMTP id <20010511105148.SCMA7553.imf08bis.bellsouth.net@bellsouth.net>; Fri, 11 May 2001 06:51:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3AFBC42B.2020109@bellsouth.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 05:51:23 -0500 From: Drew Sanford User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Reid Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030907000708060602010102" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030907000708060602010102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's pciconf -l: chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x80331043 chip=0x03051106 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 pcib2@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000080 chip=0x83051106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 isab0@pci0:4:0: class=0x060100 card=0x80331043 chip=0x06861106 rev=0x22 hdr=0x00 atapci0@pci0:4:1: class=0x01018a card=0x00000000 chip=0x05711106 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 uhci0@pci0:4:2: class=0x0c0300 card=0x12340925 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 uhci1@pci0:4:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x12340925 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x10 hdr=0x00 chip1@pci0:4:4: class=0x060000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x30571106 rev=0x30 hdr=0x00 dc0@pci0:10:0: class=0x020000 card=0xf0041385 chip=0x000211ad rev=0x20 hdr=0x00 atapci1@pci0:17:0: class=0x018000 card=0x4d33105a chip=0x0d30105a rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 none0@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x2179102b chip=0x0525102b rev=0x04 hdr=0x00 and boot -v dmesg: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #12: Mon May 7 17:39:13 CDT 2001 lauasanf@colossus.cotharyus.net:/usr/src/sys/compile/Colossus Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 807167867 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193152 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method Timecounter "TSC" frequency 807193881 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (807.19-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x630 Stepping = 0 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> Data TLB: 24 entries, fully associative Instruction TLB: 16 entries, fully associative L1 data cache: 64 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 2-way associative L1 instruction cache: 64 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 2-way associative L2 internal cache: 1 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 8-way associative real memory = 268353536 (262064K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009dfff, 643072 bytes (157 pages) 0x0037a000 - 0x0ffe3fff, 264675328 bytes (64618 pages) avail memory = 257925120 (251880K bytes) bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00f92a0 bios32: Entry = 0xf0ef0 (c00f0ef0) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0x10f0 pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fc2b0 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:c2e0 Rev = 1.0 pnpbios: OEM ID cd041 Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 000f6750 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0354000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80000060 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106) pcib-: pcib0 exists, using next available unit number npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pci_opepci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106) pcib0: on motherboard found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0305, revid=0x02 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base e4000000, size 26 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x8305, revid=0x00 class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0686, revid=0x22 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0571, revid=0x10 class=01-01-8a, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d800, size 4 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038, revid=0x10 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=5 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d400, size 5 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038, revid=0x10 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=5 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d000, size 5 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057, revid=0x30 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x11ad, dev=0x0002, revid=0x20 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000a400, size 8 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base e0000000, size 8 found-> vendor=0x105a, dev=0x0d30, revid=0x02 class=01-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 0000a000, size 3 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 00009800, size 2 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base 00009400, size 3 n(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 map[1c]: type 1, range 32, base 00009000, size 2 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 00008800, size 6 map[24]: type 1, range 32, base df800000, size 17 pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 found-> vendor=0x102b, dev=0x0525, revid=0x04 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=11 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base e2000000, size 25 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base e1000000, size 14 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base e0800000, size 23 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: (vendor=0x102b, dev=0x0525) at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xd800 ata0: mask=02 status0=ff status1=50 ata0: mask=02 ostat0=ff ostat2=50 ata0-slave: ATAPI probe a=14 b=eb ata0: mask=02 status0=ff status1=00 ata0: devices=08 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xd808 ata1: mask=03 status0=40 status1=40 ata1: mask=03 ostat0=40 ostat2=40 ata1-master: ATAPI probe a=40 b=40 ata1-slave: ATAPI probe a=40 b=40 ata1: mask=03 status0=40 status1=40 ata1-master: ATA probe a=a5 b=a5 ata1-slave: ATA probe a=a5 b=a5 ata1: devices=03 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0xd400-0xd41f irq 5 at device 4.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhci1: port 0xd000-0xd01f irq 5 at device 4.3 on pci0 using shared irq5. usb1: on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: VIA UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub2: ALCOR Generic USB Hub, class 9/0, rev 1.10/1.00, addr 2 uhub2: 4 ports with 4 removable, self powered dc0: <82c169 PNIC 10/100BaseTX> port 0xa400-0xa4ff mem 0xe0000000-0xe00000ff irq 9 at device 10.0 on pci0 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:a0:cc:40:93:80 miibus0: on dc0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: OUI 0x001018, model 0x0021, rev. 2 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto bpf: dc0 attached atapci1: port 0x8800-0x883f,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x9407,0x9800-0x9803,0xa000-0xa007 mem 0xdf800000-0xdf81ffff irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 ata-: ata2 exists, using next available unit number ata2: iobase=0xa000 altiobase=0x9802 bmaddr=0x8800 ata2: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata2: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00 ata2-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata2-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata2: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata2-master: ATA probe a=01 b=a5 ata2: devices=01 ata2: at 0xa000 on atapci1 ata3: iobase=0x9400 altiobase=0x9002 bmaddr=0x8808 ata3: mask=00 status0=ff status1=ff ata3: probe allocation failed pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106) pci-: pci1 exists, using next available unit number pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 ata-: ata0 exists, using next available unit number ata-: ata1 exists, using next available unit number Trying Read_Port at 203 Trying Read_Port at 243 Trying Read_Port at 283 Trying Read_Port at 2c3 Trying Read_Port at 303 Trying Read_Port at 343 Trying Read_Port at 3c3 isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices ata4 failed to probe at port 0x1f0 irq 14 on isa0 ata5 failed to probe at port 0x170 irq 15 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0047 atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) kbd0 at atkbd0 kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x1, flags:0x3d0000 psm0: current command byte:0047 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0-00, 2 buttons psm0: config:00000000, flags:00000000, packet size:3 psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 55 81 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x9 0x1 0x1 Trying Read_Port at 383 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0: using extended I/O port range ppc0: ECP SPP ECP+EPP SPP ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppbus0: IEEE1284 device found /NIBBLE/ECP/NIBBLE_ID/ECP_ID/Extensibility Link Probing for PnP devices on ppbus0: ppbus0: MLC,PCL,PML lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Polled port isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices BIOS Geometries: 0:03fefe3f 0..1022=1023 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. bpf: lo0 attached ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-slave: identify failed ata1-master: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-master: identify failed ata2-master: success setting UDMA5 on Promise chip Creating DISK ad4 Creating DISK wd4 ad4: ATA-5 disk at ata2-master ad4: 43979MB (90069840 sectors), 89355 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad4: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA100 ad4: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=5 cblid=1 Promise check1 failed ad4: 43979MB [89355/16/63] at ata2-master UDMA100 ata0-slave: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=-1 dmaflag=1 ata0-slave: success setting PIO4 on generic chip acd0: CDROM drive at ata0 as slave acd0: read 5500KB/s (5500KB/s), 128KB buffer, PIO4 acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA stream, packet acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: CD-ROM 120mm audio disc loaded, unlocked, lock protected Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad4s1a ad4s1: type 0xa5, start 63, end = 2088449, size 2088387 : OK ad4s2: type 0xa5, start 2088450, end = 3132674, size 1044225 : OK ad4s3: type 0xa5, start 3132675, end = 90060389, size 86927715 : OK start_init: trying /sbin/init Linux-ELF exec handler installed I've also attached the config file for the kernel. George Reid wrote: > On Thu, 10 May 2001, Drew Sanford wrote: > > >> I've just cvsup'd 4.3, and my sound appears to have broken during the >> upgrade. I've got an SBLive! that has worked reliably under everything >> since 4.0-RELEASE. Did anything change, or did PCM just break? > > > Yes, stuff changed. > > Some error messages (boot -v dmesg, pciconf -l etc) would help. > > greid > -- > +-------------------+---------------------+ > | George Reid | FreeBSD Committer | > | +44 7740 197460 | greid@FreeBSD.org | > +-------------------+---------------------+ -- Cotharyus lauasanf@bellsouth.net ICQ: 8690555 --------------030907000708060602010102 Content-Type: text/plain; name="Colossus" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Colossus" machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident Colossus maxusers 32 #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols options INET #InterNETworking #options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options SOFTUPDATES #Enable FFS soft updates support options NFS #Network Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options KBD_INSTALL_CDEV # install a CDEV entry in /dev device isa device eisa device pci # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata0 at isa? port IO_WD1 irq 14 device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering #options ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA #Enable DMA on ATAPI devices # SCSI devices needed for USB storage support device scbus # SCSI bus (required) device da # Direct Access (disks) # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 flags 0x1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? flags 0x100 # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? #irq 5 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer #device ppi # Parallel port interface device #device vpo # Requires scbus and da # PCI Ethernet NICs that use the common MII bus controller code. # NOTE: Be sure to keep the 'device miibus' line in order to use these NICs! device miibus # MII bus support device dc # DEC/Intel 21143 and various workalikes # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter # SB Live support device pcm # USB support device uhci # UHCI PCI->USB interface device ohci # OHCI PCI->USB interface device usb # USB Bus (required) device ugen # Generic device uhid # "Human Interface Devices" device ukbd # Keyboard device ulpt # Printer device umass # Disks/Mass storage - Requires scbus and da device ums # Mouse device uscanner # Scanners # USB Ethernet, requires mii device aue # ADMtek USB ethernet device cue # CATC USB ethernet device kue # Kawasaki LSI USB ethernet --------------030907000708060602010102-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 5:41:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from hamilton.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (hamilton.th.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.162.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90F737B422 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 05:41:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrad@th.physik.uni-bonn.de) Received: from merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de [131.220.161.121]) by hamilton.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F165D0E for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:41:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix, from userid 145) id 4C69B3640E; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:41:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F2A32605 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:41:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:41:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Jan Conrad To: Subject: NFS performance w. softupdates and va_blocksize Message-ID: <20010511135932.W450-100000@merlin.th.physik.uni-bonn.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, my message covers two somewhat related issues of NFS under FreeBSD (1) Performance loss of 512byte writes over an NFS mount (with softupdates on the server filesystem!) (2) va_blocksize set to 512 on NFSv3 mounts (client side) (see kern/27232) since I we only have stable 4.x and 3.x boxes here I cannot verify (1) for current so I decided to send this message to stable.. I discovered those issues because under some conditions point (2) leads to point (1) for libc/stdio routines (see below) (1) NFS and softupdates When writing say 1 MB of data in 512byte chunks on an NFS client to an NFS mounted file, the performance drops over a factor of 10 compared to writing the data in, say 8192byte blocks. What scares me is that this performance drop is due to disk operations (on our older boxes (3.x) you can easily *hear* it). In addition our servers have soft updates on! From what I know of softupdates writing file data alone is async anyhow. (And our server is empty right now - we're still testing - and fast!. And there are no fsyncs, file closes etc....) So where does that disk io come from? Even more funny, you can trigger that behavior by the following little programm if (((fd = open(file, O_RDWR|O_CREAT|O_APPEND , (mode_t) 0000644)) >= 0) && ((f = fdopen(fd, "a+")) != NULL)) { for (i=0;i<1000;i++) { fwrite (buf, (size_t) 1, (size_t) 16384, f); }; if you do a ktrace, it's just 512byte writes (see point (2) below).... But if you leave away the O_APPEND the code does the following \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\ \0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0" 510 fwrite RET write 512/0x200 510 fwrite CALL lseek(0x3,0,0,0,0x2) 510 fwrite RET lseek 193536/0x2f400 510 fwrite CALL write(0x3,0xbfbfb890,0x200) 510 fwrite GIO fd 3 wrote 512 bytes "\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\ and is much faster already. (I don't understand this, but maybe it's trivial) (2) va_blocksize = 512 on NFSv3 mounts (see kern/27232) Ok - since my PR seems to have caused some confusion, lets collect the facts first. - On an NFSv3 mount stat on a regular file gives back st_blksize=512 This is due to the assignement vap->va_blocksize = NFS_FABLKSIZE; (=512) in nfs_loadattrcache of sys/nfs/nfs_subs.c - On UFS (newfs'd with -b 8192 -f 1024) stat gives st_blksize=8192 This is due to the assignement vap->va_blocksize = vp->v_mount->mnt_stat.f_iosize; in ufs_getattr in sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_vnops.c - st_blksize is used by lib/stdio to determine the default buffer size for stream io. Under some conditions that triggers (1) above! Ok, let's go to opinions now: I would think that on NFSv3 mounts one should assign vap->va_blocksize = vp->v_mount->mnt_stat.f_iosize; as well. However, as I am not a kernel hacker, I would like to ask you to whether this might have any negative side effects? (as far as I can tell va_blocksize isn't used in the kernel at all.. and what for userland io?) May I test it without blowing away my box? Or maybe it's simply incorrect to do that? If not, why not commit it? (Well - I know pine is stupid - unfortunately its standard for physics institutes. But there are a lot of pine users out there, they will appreciate it, immediately, I'll assure you ;-) Anyway, I would appreciate your comments and opinions! regards -Jan -- Physikalisches Institut der Universitaet Bonn Nussallee 12 D-53115 Bonn GERMANY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 6:50:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtpproxy2.mitre.org (smtpproxy2.mitre.org [128.29.154.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8460D37B422 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 06:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jandrese@mitre.org) Received: from avsrv2.mitre.org (avsrv2.mitre.org [128.29.154.4]) by smtpproxy2.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29113; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MAILHUB2 (mailhub2.mitre.org [129.83.221.18]) by smtpsrv2.mitre.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15535; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-105-164.mitre.org (128.29.105.164) by mailhub2.mitre.org with SMTP id 6602825; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:50:17 -0400 Message-ID: <3AFBEE1B.7C2117A@mitre.org> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:50:19 -0400 From: Jason Andresen Organization: The MITRE Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-20000818M (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Sanford Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 References: <3AFB1BF2.2080605@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Drew Sanford wrote: > > I've just cvsup'd 4.3, and my sound appears to have broken during the > upgrade. I've got an SBLive! that has worked reliably under everything > since 4.0-RELEASE. Did anything change, or did PCM just break? If you need it working now, you can downgrade to 4.3-RELEASE. I'm currently running with 4.3-RELEASE with no sound problems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 6:58:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imr2.ericy.com (imr2.ericy.com [12.34.240.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FB337B422 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 06:58:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr6.exu.ericsson.se (mr6att.ericy.com [138.85.92.14]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4BDw7809024; Fri, 11 May 2001 08:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr6.exu.ericsson.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4BDw6129931; Fri, 11 May 2001 08:58:07 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f4BDw6G23402; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:58:05 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQDZP16Z; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:58:00 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: Ian Chilton Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3AFBEFE6.ED85C80C@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 09:57:58 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: natd locks me out References: <20010511105928.A22838@woody.ichilton.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ian Chilton wrote: > > Everything looked fine until I did: > sh rc.firewall > firewall.out 2>&1 Is it me or doesn't this do what we think it should? I don't think it's the same as: sh$ sh rc.firewall 2>&1 > firewall.out .. at least that's what I use... Apart from that, I'm sorry to say that I do not have an answer to your question apart the fact that you should probably go over there and get console access to the box ASAP. You should always test such setups on a second box before putting this on a remote. A. -- La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 7:22:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rembrandt.esys.ca (rembrandt.esys.ca [198.161.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A0837B422; Fri, 11 May 2001 07:22:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from curtis.king@messagingdirect.com) Received: from renoir.artattack.orthanc.ab.ca (renoir.artattack.orthanc.ab.ca [207.167.13.19]) (authenticated) by rembrandt.esys.ca (8.11.0.Beta0/8.11.0.Beta0) with ESMTP id f4BEMHS31731; Fri, 11 May 2001 08:22:17 -0600 From: Curtis King Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:22:16 -0700 To: George Reid Subject: Re: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <3AFB1BF2.2080605@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.2 b1 Build (4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/mixed; BOUNDARY="Part10105110822.D312" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Part10105110822.D312 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" On Fri, 11 May 2001 02:00:12 +0100 (BST) George Reid wrote: > Some error messages (boot -v dmesg, pciconf -l etc) would help. Here is some more information as my SB Live doesn't work either. thanks, ck ------------------- ACI Worldwide Phone: 403-670-8838 Email: Curtis.King@MessagingDirect.com Curtis King --Part10105110822.D312 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="pci_info.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pci_info.txt" chip0@pci0:0:0: class=0x060000 card=0x80421043 chip=0x03051106 rev=0x03 hdr=0x00 pcib2@pci0:1:0: class=0x060400 card=0x00000080 chip=0x83051106 rev=0x00 hdr=0x01 isab0@pci0:4:0: class=0x060100 card=0x80421043 chip=0x06861106 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 atapci0@pci0:4:1: class=0x01018a card=0x00000000 chip=0x05711106 rev=0x06 hdr=0x00 none0@pci0:4:3: class=0x0c0300 card=0x12340925 chip=0x30381106 rev=0x16 hdr=0x00 chip1@pci0:4:4: class=0x060000 card=0x80421043 chip=0x30571106 rev=0x40 hdr=0x00 fxp0@pci0:9:0: class=0x020000 card=0x000c8086 chip=0x12298086 rev=0x08 hdr=0x00 none1@pci0:10:0: class=0x040100 card=0x80271102 chip=0x00021102 rev=0x08 hdr=0x00 emujoy0@pci0:10:1: class=0x098000 card=0x00201102 chip=0x70021102 rev=0x08 hdr=0x00 none2@pci0:11:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00301681 chip=0x011010de rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 atapci1@pci0:17:0: class=0x018000 card=0x4d33105a chip=0x0d30105a rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 none3@pci1:0:0: class=0x030000 card=0x00000000 chip=0x002d10de rev=0x15 hdr=0x00 --Part10105110822.D312 Content-Type: Text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="boot_output.txt" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="boot_output.txt" Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #1: Tue May 1 16:06:23 MDT 2001 root@renoir.artattack.orthanc.ab.ca:/usr/src/sys/compile/RENOIR Calibrating clock(s) ... TSC clock: 908070758 Hz, i8254 clock: 1193162 Hz CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION not specified - using default frequency Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION not specified - using old calibration method CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (908.09-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x642 Stepping = 2 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> Data TLB: 24 entries, fully associative Instruction TLB: 16 entries, fully associative L1 data cache: 64 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 2-way associative L1 instruction cache: 64 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 2-way associative L2 internal cache: 256 kbytes, 64 bytes/line, 1 lines/tag, 8-way associative real memory = 268353536 (262064K bytes) Physical memory chunk(s): 0x00001000 - 0x0009efff, 647168 bytes (158 pages) 0x00385000 - 0x0ffe3fff, 264630272 bytes (64607 pages) avail memory = 257880064 (251836K bytes) bios32: Found BIOS32 Service Directory header at 0xc00f92a0 bios32: Entry = 0xf0f50 (c00f0f50) Rev = 0 Len = 1 pcibios: PCI BIOS entry at 0x1150 pnpbios: Found PnP BIOS data at 0xc00fc2b0 pnpbios: Entry = f0000:c2e0 Rev = 1.0 pnpbios: OEM ID cd041 Other BIOS signatures found: ACPI: 000f67c0 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc035f000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk Creating DISK md0 Math emulator present pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x80000060 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106) pcib-: pcib0 exists, using next available unit number npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106) pcib0: on motherboard found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0305, revid=0x03 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base e4000000, size 26 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x8305, revid=0x00 class=06-04-00, hdrtype=0x01, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=1 secondarybus=1 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0686, revid=0x40 class=06-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0571, revid=0x06 class=01-01-8a, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d800, size 4 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038, revid=0x16 class=0c-03-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=d, irq=9 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 0000d000, size 5 found-> vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057, revid=0x40 class=06-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x1229, revid=0x08 class=02-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=9 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base d5800000, size 12 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 0000a400, size 6 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base d5000000, size 20 found-> vendor=0x1102, dev=0x0002, revid=0x08 class=04-01-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=255 found-> vendor=0x1102, dev=0x7002, revid=0x08 class=09-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 found-> vendor=0x10de, dev=0x0110, revid=0xa1 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base d4000000, size 24 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base d8000000, size 27 found-> vendor=0x105a, dev=0x0d30, revid=0x02 class=01-80-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=10 map[10]: type 1, range 32, base 00009400, size 3 map[14]: type 1, range 32, base 00009000, size 2 map[18]: type 1, range 32, base 00008800, size 3 map[1c]: type 1, range 32, base 00008400, size 2 map[20]: type 1, range 32, base 00008000, size 6 map[24]: type 1, range 32, base d3800000, size 17 pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 found-> vendor=0x10de, dev=0x002d, revid=0x15 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=0 subordinatebus=0 secondarybus=0 intpin=a, irq=11 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: (vendor=0x10de, dev=0x002d) at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xd800-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: iobase=0x01f0 altiobase=0x03f6 bmaddr=0xd800 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata0: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=00 ata0-master: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata0-slave: ATAPI probe a=00 b=00 ata0: mask=03 status0=50 status1=00 ata0-master: ATA probe a=01 b=a5 ata0: devices=01 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: iobase=0x0170 altiobase=0x0376 bmaddr=0xd808 ata1: mask=03 status0=50 status1=50 ata1: mask=03 ostat0=50 ostat2=50 ata1-master: ATAPI probe a=14 b=eb ata1-slave: ATAPI probe a=14 b=eb ata1: mask=03 status0=00 status1=10 ata1: devices=0c ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: (vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3038) at 4.3 irq 9 fxp0: port 0xa400-0xa43f mem 0xd5000000-0xd50fffff,0xd5800000-0xd5800fff irq 9 at device 9.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:b0:28:53 pcm0: at device 10.0 on pci0 pcm0: unable to map register space device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 pci0: (vendor=0x10de, dev=0x0110) at 11.0 irq 10 atapci1: port 0x8000-0x803f,0x8400-0x8403,0x8800-0x8807,0x9000-0x9003,0x9400-0x9407 mem 0xd3800000-0xd381ffff irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 ata-: ata2 exists, using next available unit number ata2: iobase=0x9400 altiobase=0x9002 bmaddr=0x8000 ata2: mask=03 status0=3c status1=3c ata2: mask=03 ostat0=3c ostat2=3c ata2-master: ATAPI probe a=3c b=3c ata2-slave: ATAPI probe a=3c b=3c ata2: mask=03 status0=3c status1=3c ata2-master: ATA probe a=25 b=25 ata2-slave: ATA probe a=25 b=25 ata2: devices=00 ata2: at 0x9400 on atapci1 ata3: iobase=0x8800 altiobase=0x8402 bmaddr=0x8008 ata3: mask=03 status0=3c status1=3c ata3: mask=03 ostat0=3c ostat2=3c ata3-master: ATAPI probe a=3c b=3c ata3-slave: ATAPI probe a=3c b=3c ata3: mask=03 status0=3c status1=3c ata3-master: ATA probe a=25 b=25 ata3-slave: ATA probe a=25 b=25 ata3: devices=00 ata3: at 0x8800 on atapci1 using shared irq10. pci_open(1): mode 1 addr port (0x0cf8) is 0x00000000 pci_open(1a): mode1res=0x80000000 (0x80000000) pci_cfgcheck: device 0 [class=060000] [hdr=00] is there (id=03051106) pci-: pci1 exists, using next available unit number pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 ata-: ata0 exists, using next available unit number ata-: ata1 exists, using next available unit number Trying Read_Port at 203 Trying Read_Port at 243 Trying Read_Port at 283 Trying Read_Port at 2c3 Trying Read_Port at 303 Trying Read_Port at 343 Trying Read_Port at 383 Trying Read_Port at 3c3 isa_probe_children: disabling PnP devices isa_probe_children: probing non-PnP devices fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 ata4 failed to probe at port 0x1f0 irq 14 on isa0 ata5 failed to probe at port 0x170 irq 15 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd: the current kbd controller command byte 0047 atkbd: keyboard ID 0x41ab (2) kbd0 at atkbd0 kbd0: atkbd0, AT 101/102 (2), config:0x1, flags:0x3d0000 psm0: current command byte:0047 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0-00, 3 buttons psm0: config:00000000, flags:00000000, packet size:3 psm0: syncmask:c0, syncbits:00 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 fb0: vga0, vga, type:VGA (5), flags:0x7007f fb0: port:0x3c0-0x3df, crtc:0x3d4, mem:0xa0000 0x20000 fb0: init mode:24, bios mode:3, current mode:24 fb0: window:0xc00b8000 size:32k gran:32k, buf:0 size:32k VGA parameters upon power-up 50 18 10 00 00 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 54 80 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 07 80 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff VGA parameters in BIOS for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 54 80 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff EGA/VGA parameters to be used for mode 24 50 18 10 00 10 00 03 00 02 67 5f 4f 50 82 54 80 bf 1f 00 4f 0d 0e 00 00 00 00 9c 8e 8f 28 1f 96 b9 a3 ff 00 01 02 03 04 05 14 07 38 39 3a 3b 3c 3d 3e 3f 0c 00 0f 08 00 00 00 00 00 10 0e 00 ff sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> sc0: fb0, kbd0, terminal emulator: sc (syscons terminal) sio0: irq maps: 0x1 0x11 0x1 0x1 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: irq maps: 0x1 0x9 0x1 0x1 sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A sio2: not probed (disabled) sio3: not probed (disabled) ppc0: parallel port found at 0x378 ppc0: using extended I/O port range ppc0: ECP SPP ECP+EPP SPP ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold plip0: on ppbus0 ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port isa_probe_children: probing PnP devices BIOS Geometries: 0:03fffe3f 0..1023=1024 cylinders, 0..254=255 heads, 1..63=63 sectors 0 accounted for Device configuration finished. Linux-ELF exec handler installed ata0-master: success setting UDMA5 on VIA chip Creating DISK ad0 Creating DISK wd0 ad0: ATA-5 disk at ata0-master ad0: 29314MB (60036480 sectors), 59560 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S ad0: 16 secs/int, 1 depth queue, UDMA100 ad0: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=5 cblid=1 ad0: 29314MB [59560/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 ata1-master: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=-1 dmaflag=1 ata1-master: success setting PIO4 on generic chip acd0: CD-RW drive at ata1 as master acd0: read 4134KB/s (5512KB/s) write 2067KB/s (2067KB/s), 8192KB buffer, PIO4 acd0: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA stream, packet acd0: Writes: CD-R, CD-RW, test write acd0: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd0: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd0: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked ata1-slave: piomode=4 dmamode=2 udmamode=2 dmaflag=1 ata1-slave: success setting PIO4 on generic chip acd1: CDROM drive at ata1 as slave acd1: read 8593KB/s (8593KB/s), 128KB buffer, PIO4 acd1: Reads: CD-R, CD-RW, CD-DA stream, packet acd1: Audio: play, 255 volume levels acd1: Mechanism: ejectable tray acd1: Medium: no/blank disc inside, unlocked Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a ad0s1: type 0xc, start 63, end = 19824209, size 19824147 : OK ad0s2: type 0xa5, start 19824210, end = 60034904, size 40210695 : OK start_init: trying /sbin/init splash: image decoder found: blank_saver --Part10105110822.D312-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 7:45:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (mta06-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A3437B43E for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 07:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from greid@FreeBSD.org) Received: from sobek.openirc.co.uk ([62.252.8.160]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20010511144544.BQQS285.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@sobek.openirc.co.uk>; Fri, 11 May 2001 15:45:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:45:42 +0100 (BST) From: George Reid X-Sender: greid@sobek.openirc.co.uk To: Curtis King Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 11 May 2001, Curtis King wrote: > > Some error messages (boot -v dmesg, pciconf -l etc) would help. > > Here is some more information as my SB Live doesn't work either. You seem to have the "Plug & Play OS" (or similar) setting in your BIOS turned on. Ensure it's turned off. greid -- +-------------------+---------------------+ | George Reid | FreeBSD Committer | | +44 7740 197460 | greid@FreeBSD.org | +-------------------+---------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 8:22:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (ringworld.nanolink.com [195.24.48.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCBB037B624 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 08:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam@orbitel.bg) Received: (qmail 69417 invoked by uid 1000); 11 May 2001 15:21:44 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:21:44 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: stable@FreeBSD.org Cc: assar@FreeBSD.org Subject: Heimdal breakage - char * vs. const char * Message-ID: <20010511182143.A24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I just tried building a RELENG_4 world with both MAKE_KERBEROS4 and MAKE_KERBEROS5 set to yes and CFLAGS="-O -pipe" (if this is relevant). KRB5_HOME is undefined (as I guess it should be for Heimdal in the base system). I got the following: ===> libvers cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/include - I/usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../lib/libroken -I/usr/src/kerberos5 /lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/roken -I/usr/obj/usr/src/kerberos5/lib /libvers -Wall -I/usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../include -I/usr/src/kerbero s5/lib/libvers/../../include -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -DKRB5_KRB4_COMPAT -DKRB4 -DINET6 - I/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/include -static -o make-print-version /usr/src/kerber os5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-version.c In file included from /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib /vers/make-print-version.c:47: /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../include/version.h:3: conflicting types for `krb4_version' /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-versi on.c:45: previous declaration of `krb4_version' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers. Attached is a simple patch. G'luck, Peter -- I am the meaning of this sentence. Index: src/crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-version.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-version.c,v retrieving revision 1.1.1.1.2.2 diff -u -r1.1.1.1.2.2 make-print-version.c --- src/crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-version.c 2001/05/08 15:12:01 1.1.1.1.2.2 +++ src/crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-version.c 2001/05/11 15:21:05 @@ -42,7 +42,7 @@ extern const char *heimdal_version; #endif #ifdef KRB4 -extern char *krb4_version; +extern const char *krb4_version; #endif #include To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 8:52: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from imr2.ericy.com (imr2.ericy.com [12.34.240.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7343137B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 08:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr6.exu.ericsson.se (mr6att.ericy.com [138.85.92.14]) by imr2.ericy.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4BFq1808711; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:52:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr6.exu.ericsson.se (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4BFq1103883; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:52:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f4BFpxG04309; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:51:58 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQDZPHYN; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:51:52 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" Cc: Ian Chilton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3AFC0A97.2E570C0F@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:51:51 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [OT] Re: natd locks me out References: <20010511105928.A22838@woody.ichilton.co.uk> <3AFBEFE6.ED85C80C@lmc.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Ok. I'll acknowledge something here before being flooded even more by corrections.. :) I was wrong, Ian was right. > > sh rc.firewall > firewall.out 2>&1 ... is the correct syntax, not: > sh$ sh rc.firewall 2>&1 > firewall.out ... as I hallucinated. Thanks for the corrections, and my apologies to the list. A. -- La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 9:16:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from assaris.sics.se (dhcp-221-152.pdc.kth.se [130.237.221.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B5637B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:16:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from assar@assaris.sics.se) Received: (from assar@localhost) by assaris.sics.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA03845; Fri, 11 May 2001 18:15:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from assar) From: assar@FreeBSD.org To: Peter Pentchev Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heimdal breakage - char * vs. const char * References: <20010511182143.A24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Date: 11 May 2001 18:15:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: Peter Pentchev's message of "Fri, 11 May 2001 18:21:44 +0300" Message-ID: <5litj7275t.fsf@assaris.sics.se> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070098 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Pentchev writes: > Hi, Hello > In file included from /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib > /vers/make-print-version.c:47: > /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../include/version.h:3: conflicting types for > `krb4_version' > /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-versi > on.c:45: previous declaration of `krb4_version' > *** Error code 1 > Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers. > > Attached is a simple patch. The patch is fine, please go ahead and commit it. /assar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 9:45:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (ringworld.nanolink.com [195.24.48.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D4E737B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:45:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam@orbitel.bg) Received: (qmail 45697 invoked by uid 1000); 11 May 2001 16:44:55 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:44:55 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: assar@FreeBSD.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heimdal breakage - char * vs. const char * Message-ID: <20010511194455.G24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> References: <20010511182143.A24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> <5litj7275t.fsf@assaris.sics.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5litj7275t.fsf@assaris.sics.se>; from assar@FreeBSD.org on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 06:15:58PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 06:15:58PM +0200, assar@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Peter Pentchev writes: > > Hi, > > Hello > > > In file included from /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib > > /vers/make-print-version.c:47: > > /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../include/version.h:3: conflicting types for > > `krb4_version' > > /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-versi > > on.c:45: previous declaration of `krb4_version' > > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/lib/libvers. > > > > Attached is a simple patch. > > The patch is fine, please go ahead and commit it. I just might, were it not for the fact that I don't have any experience at committing to the source tree :) I tried to commit make-print-version.c to -current, meaning to slap an 'Approved by: assar' and MFC it immediately (to fix the world breakage), but CVS complained about the file not having a $FreeBSD tag :( It seems there are two ways to avoid this warning: do a 'cvs import', or add the file to CVSROOT/exclude. Which one would be more appropriate in this case? G'luck, Peter -- because I didn't think of a good beginning of it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 9:51:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ringworld.nanolink.com (ringworld.nanolink.com [195.24.48.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C4A737B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roam@orbitel.bg) Received: (qmail 45801 invoked by uid 1000); 11 May 2001 16:50:56 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:50:56 +0300 From: Peter Pentchev To: assar@FreeBSD.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heimdal breakage - char * vs. const char * Message-ID: <20010511195056.H24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> References: <20010511182143.A24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> <5litj7275t.fsf@assaris.sics.se> <20010511194455.G24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010511194455.G24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg>; from roam@orbitel.bg on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 07:44:55PM +0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 07:44:55PM +0300, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 06:15:58PM +0200, assar@FreeBSD.org wrote: [snip] > > > > The patch is fine, please go ahead and commit it. > > I just might, were it not for the fact that I don't have any experience > at committing to the source tree :) > > I tried to commit make-print-version.c to -current, meaning to slap > an 'Approved by: assar' and MFC it immediately (to fix the world breakage), > but CVS complained about the file not having a $FreeBSD tag :( (well, maybe a 'Reviewed by' could be better in this case) > It seems there are two ways to avoid this warning: do a 'cvs import', or > add the file to CVSROOT/exclude. Which one would be more appropriate > in this case? ..and of course there's the third way: add the $FreeBSD tag. This could mean more import conflicts in the future, though.. G'luck, Peter -- "yields falsehood, when appended to its quotation." yields falsehood, when appended to its quotation. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 9:58:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from assaris.sics.se (dhcp-221-152.pdc.kth.se [130.237.221.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBC8637B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 09:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from assar@assaris.sics.se) Received: (from assar@localhost) by assaris.sics.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04675; Fri, 11 May 2001 18:58:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from assar) From: assar@FreeBSD.org To: Peter Pentchev Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Heimdal breakage - char * vs. const char * References: <20010511182143.A24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> <5litj7275t.fsf@assaris.sics.se> <20010511194455.G24224@ringworld.oblivion.bg> Date: 11 May 2001 18:58:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: Peter Pentchev's message of "Fri, 11 May 2001 19:44:55 +0300" Message-ID: <5lpudfyg9p.fsf@assaris.sics.se> Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070098 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.98) Emacs/20.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Pentchev writes: > I tried to commit make-print-version.c to -current, meaning to slap > an 'Approved by: assar' and MFC it immediately (to fix the world breakage), > but CVS complained about the file not having a $FreeBSD tag :( > > It seems there are two ways to avoid this warning: do a 'cvs import', or > add the file to CVSROOT/exclude. Which one would be more appropriate > in this case? Right, so there's actually a forth way, which I prefer in this case, namely to fix the problem in version.h. And I just comitted that. Thanks again for notifying me of the problem. /assar To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 10:27: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC1737B424 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:26:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4BHOkR00481 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 May 2001 01:24:46 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:24:46 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.3-STABLE panics while mounting CD-R Message-ID: <20010512012445.A390@iname.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! 4.3-STABLE built 26 April 2001 does panic immediatly after "mount -t cd9660". This is 100% repeatable with one particular CD-R when I do "mount /cdrw" (it runs very stable while I do not start playing with this disk). From /etc/fstab: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s3b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s3a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s3f /home ufs rw,userquota,groupquota 2 2 /dev/ad0s3e /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrw cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc /proc procfs rw 0 0 From /boot/loader.conf: hw.ata.ata_dma=1 hw.ata.atapi_dma=1 kernel="/kernel.panic" From /var/log/messages: May 12 00:43:55 D00015 /kernel.panic: acd1: READ_TOC - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=24 ascq=00 error=04 May 12 00:43:55 D00015 /kernel.panic: acd1: READ_TOC - ILLEGAL REQUEST asc=24 ascq=00 error=04 May 12 00:43:55 D00015 /kernel.panic: ata1-master: too many segments in DMA table May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Sat May 12 00:00:43 KRAST 2001 May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: root@D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su:/usr/src/sys/compile/DADVDBG May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193163 Hz May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: CPU: Pentium II/Pentium II Xeon/Celeron (300.68-MHz 686-class CPU) May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x660 Stepping = 0 May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Features=0x183f9ff May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: real memory = 67043328 (65472K bytes) May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: config> q May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: avail memory = 61894656 (60444K bytes) May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Preloaded elf kernel "kernel.panic" at 0xc0309000. May 12 00:47:15 D00015 /kernel.panic: Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc03090a4. May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: VESA: v2.0, 4096k memory, flags:0x1, mode table:0xc00c0e38 (c0000e38) May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: VESA: S3 Incorporated Trio3D. May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: apm0: on motherboard May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: apm: found APM BIOS v1.2, connected at v1.2 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: npx0: on motherboard May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: npx0: INT 16 interface May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: pcib0: on motherboard May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: pci0: on pcib0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: pci1: on pcib1 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: pci1: at 0.0 irq 12 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: isa0: on isab0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: pci0: at 7.2 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: intpm0: port 0x5000-0x500f irq 9 at device 7.3 on pci0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: intpm0: I/O mapped 5000 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: intpm0: intr IRQ 9 enabled revision 0 May 12 00:47:16 D00015 /kernel.panic: smbus0: on intsmb0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: smb0: on smbus0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: intpm0: PM I/O mapped 4000 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: sc0: on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: sc0: VGA <24 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: sio0: type 16550A May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: sio1: type 16550A May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: lpt0: on ppbus0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: ppi0: on ppbus0 May 12 00:47:17 D00015 /kernel.panic: joy0 at port 0x201 on isa0 May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: pcm0: at port 0x220-0x22f,0x530-0x537,0x388-0x38f,0x330-0x331,0x370-0x371 irq 5 drq 0,1 on isa0 May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: joy1: at port 0x211 on isa0 May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: DUMMYNET initialized (010124) May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, unlimited logging May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave using PIO4 May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: acd1: CD-RW at ata1-master using UDMA33 May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s3a May 12 00:47:18 D00015 /kernel.panic: WARNING: / was not properly dismounted May 12 00:47:19 D00015 savecore: reboot after panic: page fault May 12 00:47:19 D00015 savecore: /var/crash/bounds: No such file or directory May 12 00:47:19 D00015 savecore: writing core to /var/crash/vmcore.0 May 12 00:47:40 D00015 savecore: writing kernel to /var/crash/kernel.0 From kdbg: Script started on Sat May 12 00:53:58 2001 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain conditions. Type "show copying" to see the conditions. There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for details. This GDB was configured as "i386-unknown-freebsd". (kgdb) symbol-file kernel.debug Reading symbols from kernel.debug...done. (kgdb) exec-file /var/crash/kernel.0 (kgdb) core-file /var/crash/vmcore.0 IdlePTD 3309568 initial pcb at 29c280 panicstr: page fault panic messages: --- Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address = 0xc10c9000 fault code = supervisor write, page not present instruction pointer = 0x8:0xc01f6fc2 stack pointer = 0x10:0xc784cf5c frame pointer = 0x10:0xc784cf6c code segment = base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b = DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 processor eflags = interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL = 0 current process = 233 (dnetc) interrupt mask = bio trap number = 12 panic: page fault syncing disks... 18 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 giving up on 1 buffers Uptime: 46s dumping to dev #ad/0x40001, offset 393344 dump ata0: resetting devices .. done 63 62 61 60 59 58 57 56 55 54 53 52 51 50 49 48 47 46 45 44 43 42 41 40 39 38 37 36 35 34 33 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 --- #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 469 if (dumping++) { (kgdb) where #0 dumpsys () at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:469 #1 0xc0139038 in boot (howto=256) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:309 #2 0xc01393c0 in poweroff_wait (junk=0xc025010f, howto=-952851872) at ../../kern/kern_shutdown.c:556 #3 0xc021aade in trap_fatal (frame=0xc784cf1c, eva=3238825984) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:951 #4 0xc021a79d in trap_pfault (frame=0xc784cf1c, usermode=0, eva=3238825984) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:844 #5 0xc021a343 in trap (frame={tf_fs = 4194320, tf_es = 16, tf_ds = -1072496624, tf_edi = -1056141312, tf_esi = 32768, tf_ebp = -947597460, tf_isp = -947597496, tf_ebx = -1056185216, tf_edx = 368, tf_ecx = 6656, tf_eax = -1059694208, tf_trapno = 12, tf_err = 2, tf_eip = -1071681598, tf_cs = 8, tf_eflags = 2163206, tf_esp = -1067814176, tf_ss = -1056185216}) at ../../i386/i386/trap.c:443 #6 0xc01f6fc2 in atapi_read (request=0xc10be480, length=32768) at machine/cpufunc.h:222 #7 0xc01f6a33 in atapi_interrupt (request=0xc10be480) at ../../dev/ata/atapi-all.c:391 #8 0xc01efc97 in ata_intr (data=0xc0d65980) at ../../dev/ata/ata-all.c:1154 #9 0x8076808 in ?? () Cannot access memory at address 0x6e7100c8. (kgdb) quit Script done on Sat May 12 00:55:11 2001 Kernel config file: # DADV kernel config # 5 Jan 2001 options INCLUDE_CONFIG_FILE machine i386 #cpu I386_CPU cpu I486_CPU cpu I586_CPU cpu I686_CPU ident DADV maxusers 128 #makeoptions DEBUG=-g #Build kernel with gdb(1) debug symbols #options MATH_EMULATE #Support for x87 emulation options CLK_CALIBRATION_LOOP options "CLK_USE_I8254_CALIBRATION" options CLK_USE_TSC_CALIBRATION options INET #InterNETworking #options INET6 #IPv6 communications protocols options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options FFS_ROOT #FFS usable as root device [keep this!] options MFS #Memory Filesystem #options MD_ROOT #MD is a potential root device #options NFS #Network Filesystem #options NFS_ROOT #NFS usable as root device, NFS required options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options CD9660 #ISO 9660 Filesystem options CD9660_ROOT #CD-ROM usable as root, CD9660 required options PROCFS #Process filesystem #options EXT2FS #Linux ext2 filesystem options COMPAT_43 #Compatible with BSD 4.3 [KEEP THIS!] options SCSI_DELAY=15000 #Delay (in ms) before probing SCSI options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options USERCONFIG #boot -c editor options VISUAL_USERCONFIG #visual boot -c editor #options KTRACE #ktrace(1) support options CPU_SUSP_HLT #options "NO_F00F_HACK" options USER_LDT options PPP_BSDCOMP options PPP_DEFLATE options PPP_FILTER options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores options SHMMAXPGS=4096 options P1003_1B #Posix P1003_1B real-time extensions options _KPOSIX_PRIORITY_SCHEDULING options _KPOSIX_VERSION=199309L options ICMP_BANDLIM #Rate limit bad replies options FDESC options KERNFS options NSWAPDEV=4 device isa device eisa device pci options AUTO_EOI_1 # Floppy drives device fdc0 at isa? port IO_FD1 irq 6 drq 2 device fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 device fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 # ATA and ATAPI devices device ata device atadisk # ATA disk drives device atapicd # ATAPI CDROM drives options ATA_STATIC_ID #Static device numbering # atkbdc0 controls both the keyboard and the PS/2 mouse device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 device psm0 at atkbdc? irq 12 device vga0 at isa? options VESA # splash screen/screen saver pseudo-device splash # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? options MAXCONS=24 options SC_HISTORY_SIZE=1000 options SC_MOUSE_CHAR=0x03 options SC_PIXEL_MODE # Floating point support - do not disable. device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 # Power management support (see LINT for more options) device apm0 at nexus? flags 0x31 # Advanced Power Management # Serial (COM) ports device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 # Parallel port device ppc0 at isa? irq 7 device ppbus # Parallel port bus (required) device lpt # Printer device ppi # Parallel port interface device device joy0 at isa? port IO_GAME # Pseudo devices - the number indicates how many units to allocated. pseudo-device loop # Network loopback #pseudo-device ether # Ethernet support #pseudo-device sl 1 # Kernel SLIP pseudo-device ppp 1 # Kernel PPP pseudo-device tun # Packet tunnel. pseudo-device pty 16 # Pseudo-ttys (telnet etc) #pseudo-device md # Memory "disks" #pseudo-device gif 4 # IPv6 and IPv4 tunneling #pseudo-device faith 1 # IPv6-to-IPv4 relaying (translation) pseudo-device snp pseudo-device vn pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's pseudo-device speaker # The `bpf' pseudo-device enables the Berkeley Packet Filter. # Be aware of the administrative consequences of enabling this! pseudo-device bpf #Berkeley packet filter options MSGBUF_SIZE=40960 #device pcm0 at isa? port ? irq 5 drq 1 device pcm options QUOTA options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPDIVERT options DUMMYNET options SOFTUPDATES device smbus0 device iicbus0 device iicbb0 device intpm0 device smb0 at smbus? I'm ready to supply more details, if needed. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 10:27:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pilikia.net (pilikia.net [63.173.194.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4438037B43E for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:27:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Received: from gecko (gecko.local.pilikia.net [10.25.0.9]) by pilikia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4BHR0S21728 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 07:27:01 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Message-ID: <200105110727010650.0C81CADC@smtp> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (3) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:27:01 -1000 Reply-To: art@pilikia.net From: "Arthur W. Neilson III" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: sendmail traffic analysis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently I setup FreeBSD 4.3 on a HP Netserver (SMP) at my workplace and am stoked to be using FreeBSD for a production server in a= predominantly Microsoft oriented distributed computing environment. It's a wonderful opportunity to show how well FreeBSD performs :^). This is the first time I've run FreeBSD on a SMP platform, the box has two processors and I was wondering if top shows an aggregate cpu load or just the load on cpu #0. This box will be the primary SMTP relay for our domain and I I'm looking for a way to measure the sendmail traffic load. I currently= use MRTG to monitor our Sun SPARC based systems and run ucd-snmp on them. I'm not sure how to monitor sendmail with SNMP, and would be interested in hearing from others what tools they use to monitor SMTP= traffic on their FreeBSD systems. -- __ / ) _/_ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. /--/ __ / Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, / (_/ (_<__ Instead of theories to suit facts. -- Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia" Arthur W. Neilson III, WH7N - FISTS #7448 Bank of Hawaii Tech Support http://www.pilikia.net art@pilikia.net, aneilson@boh.com, wh7n@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 10:38:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from triton.neptune.on.ca (triton.neptune.on.ca [205.233.176.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F92C37B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@neptune.on.ca) Received: from localhost (steve@localhost) by triton.neptune.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA12990; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:38:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: triton.neptune.on.ca: steve owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Mickeler To: "Arthur W. Neilson III" Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: sendmail traffic analysis In-Reply-To: <200105110727010650.0C81CADC@smtp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 11 May 2001, Arthur W. Neilson III wrote: > Recently I setup FreeBSD 4.3 on a HP Netserver (SMP) at my workplace > and am stoked to be using FreeBSD for a production server in a predominantly > Microsoft oriented distributed computing environment. It's a wonderful > opportunity to show how well FreeBSD performs :^). This is the first time > I've run FreeBSD on a SMP platform, the box has two processors and > I was wondering if top shows an aggregate cpu load or just the load on > cpu #0. This box will be the primary SMTP relay for our domain and I > I'm looking for a way to measure the sendmail traffic load. I currently use > MRTG to monitor our Sun SPARC based systems and run ucd-snmp on > them. I'm not sure how to monitor sendmail with SNMP, and would be > interested in hearing from others what tools they use to monitor SMTP traffic > on their FreeBSD systems. > -- > __ MRTG comes with contribs for monitoring sendmail. Todays root password is brought to you by /dev/random .-------------------------------------. | Steve Mickeler * Network Operations | +-------------------------------------+ | Neptune Internet Services | `-------------------------------------' 1024D/ACB58D4F = 0227 164B D680 9E13 9168 AE28 843F 57D7 ACB5 8D4F To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 10:55:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tp.databus.com (p101-46.acedsl.com [160.79.101.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E7837B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 10:55:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from barney@tp.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by tp.databus.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4BHsxe25012; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from barney) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:54:59 -0400 From: Barney Wolff To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE panics while mounting CD-R Message-ID: <20010511135459.A24957@tp.databus.com> References: <20010512012445.A390@iname.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010512012445.A390@iname.com>; from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:24:46AM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is it an audio cd? I've experienced the instant panic when mistakenly trying to mount such as a cd9660 fs. Of course it shouldn't panic, but the workaround is not to do that. Barney Wolff On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 01:24:46AM +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > Hi! > > 4.3-STABLE built 26 April 2001 does panic immediatly after "mount -t cd9660". > This is 100% repeatable with one particular CD-R when I do "mount /cdrw" > (it runs very stable while I do not start playing with this disk). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 11: 8:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1C837B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:08:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA95315; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200105111808.OAA95315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: art@pilikia.net Subject: Re: sendmail traffic analysis In-Reply-To: <20010511172756$2b96@traf.lcs.mit.edu> Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Cc: stable@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In article <20010511172756$2b96@traf.lcs.mit.edu> you write: >I'm not sure how to monitor sendmail with SNMP, and would be >interested in hearing from others what tools they use to monitor SMTP >traffic on their FreeBSD systems. Depends on what and how you want to monitor. For BIND, I wrote a little script that stuffs those annoying statistics dumps into an RRD. You could conceivably do the same thing with sendmail, although you would have to collect your own stats by analyzing the log files. The one place where we use SNMP to monitor sendmail is by using ucd-snmp's process monitoring feature. We then use Cricket to monitor the number of sendmails active. While this is statistically invalid (because cricket measures every five minutes exactly) it still gives us a useful look at what's going on. (I just looked at my long-term cricket graphs and learned something which was totally new to me: there seems to be a new outbreak of the Hybris worm on the seventh day of every month, although the population seems to have peaked last February.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 11:10:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fjord.dignus.com (sdsl-66-80-58-206.dsl.lax.megapath.net [66.80.58.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E703037B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes.dignus.com [10.0.0.3]) by fjord.dignus.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4BIAJf08841; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:10:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.9.3/8.6.9) id OAA11089; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:13:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <200105111813.OAA11089@lakes.dignus.com> To: barney@tp.databus.com, eugen@grosbein.pp.ru Subject: Re: 4.3-STABLE panics while mounting CD-R Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20010511135459.A24957@tp.databus.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Is it an audio cd? I've experienced the instant panic when mistakenly > trying to mount such as a cd9660 fs. Of course it shouldn't panic, > but the workaround is not to do that. I get similar situations when mounting the 4.2-RELEASE 3rd CD for reading packages... This is with a 4.2-RELEASE system... From the boot messages: atapci0: port 0xd8 00-0xd80f at device 4.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO4 And here's an example: May 3 09:13:18 fjord /kernel: cd9660: RockRidge Extension May 3 09:14:02 fjord /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG - NO SENSE asc=00 ascq=00 error=00 May 3 09:14:12 fjord /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG - NO SENSE asc=00 ascq=00 error=00 May 3 09:15:00 fjord /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting May 3 09:15:00 fjord /kernel: ata1: resetting devices .. done May 3 09:15:30 fjord /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting May 3 09:15:30 fjord /kernel: ata1: resetting devices .. ata1-master: timeout w aiting for command=ef s=00 e=50 May 3 09:15:30 fjord /kernel: done May 3 09:15:56 fjord su: rivers to root on /dev/ttyp1 May 3 09:16:00 fjord /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting May 3 09:16:00 fjord /kernel: ata1: resetting devices .. ata1-master: timeout w aiting for command=ef s=00 e=50 May 3 09:16:00 fjord /kernel: done May 3 09:16:30 fjord /kernel: acd0: READ_BIG command timeout - resetting May 3 09:16:30 fjord /kernel: ata1: resetting devices .. ata1-master: timeout w aiting for command=ef s=00 e=50 May 3 09:16:30 fjord /kernel: done At which point the cdrom was hung and a reboot was needed... I can reproduce this when I NFS mount the CDROM with the 4.2-RELEASE Disk #2 in the drive. - Dave Rivers - -- rivers@dignus.com Work: (919) 676-0847 Get your mainframe programming tools at http://www.dignus.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 11:19:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from germanium.xtalwind.net (germanium.xtalwind.net [205.160.242.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCC237B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Received: from localhost (localhost.xtalwind.net [127.0.0.1]) by germanium.xtalwind.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4BIJ8J27291; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) From: jack To: Cc: Subject: Re: sendmail traffic analysis In-Reply-To: <200105111808.OAA95315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20010511141711.I26835-100000@germanium.xtalwind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Today Garrett Wollman wrote: > >I'm not sure how to monitor sendmail with SNMP, and would be > >interested in hearing from others what tools they use to monitor SMTP > >traffic on their FreeBSD systems. > > Depends on what and how you want to monitor. For BIND, I wrote a > little script that stuffs those annoying statistics dumps into an > RRD. You could conceivably do the same thing with sendmail, although > you would have to collect your own stats by analyzing the log files. Or use mailstats(1). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jack O'Neill Systems Administrator / Systems Analyst jack@germanium.xtalwind.net Crystal Wind Communications, Inc. Finger jack@germanium.xtalwind.net for my PGP key. PGP Key fingerprint = F6 C4 E6 D4 2F 15 A7 67 FD 09 E9 3C 5F CC EB CD enriched, vcard, HTML messages > /dev/null -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 12: 7:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rembrandt.esys.ca (rembrandt.esys.ca [198.161.92.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9CB37B423; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:07:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from curtis.king@messagingdirect.com) Received: from renoir.artattack.orthanc.ab.ca (renoir.artattack.orthanc.ab.ca [207.167.13.19]) (authenticated) by rembrandt.esys.ca (8.11.0.Beta0/8.11.0.Beta0) with ESMTP id f4BJ7SS02553; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:07:29 -0600 From: Curtis King Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:07:28 -0700 To: George Reid Subject: Re: Sound (PCM) in 4.3 Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Mailer: Execmail for Linux 5.2 b1 Build (4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:45:42 +0100 (BST) George Reid wrote: > On Fri, 11 May 2001, Curtis King wrote: > > > > Some error messages (boot -v dmesg, pciconf -l etc) would help. > > > > Here is some more information as my SB Live doesn't work either. > > You seem to have the "Plug & Play OS" (or similar) setting in your BIOS > turned on. Ensure it's turned off. That did the trick - everything works fine now. thanks, ck ------------------- ACI Worldwide Phone: 403-670-8838 Email: Curtis.King@MessagingDirect.com Curtis King To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 12:17:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tethys.valhalla.net (tethys.valhalla.net [195.26.32.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0854537B43E for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 12:17:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark@tethys.valhalla.net) Received: by tethys.valhalla.net (Postfix, from userid 500) id 0255A33009; Fri, 11 May 2001 20:17:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:17:07 +0100 From: Mark Drayton To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sendmail traffic analysis Message-ID: <20010511201707.B13410@tethys.valhalla.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <200105111808.OAA95315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010511141711.I26835-100000@germanium.xtalwind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010511141711.I26835-100000@germanium.xtalwind.net>; from jack@germanium.xtalwind.net on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 02:19:08PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG jack (jack@germanium.xtalwind.net) wrote: > Today Garrett Wollman wrote: > > > >I'm not sure how to monitor sendmail with SNMP, and would be > > >interested in hearing from others what tools they use to monitor > > >SMTP traffic on their FreeBSD systems. > > > > Depends on what and how you want to monitor. For BIND, I wrote a > > little script that stuffs those annoying statistics dumps into an > > RRD. You could conceivably do the same thing with sendmail, > > although you would have to collect your own stats by analyzing the > > log files. > > Or use mailstats(1). I wrote a perl script to parse the named stats log file and return the number of queries. These results are available via snmp by using the 'exec' feature of ucd-snmpd to call the script. I use a shell script and snmpget(1) on my monitoring machine to collect the results and update a rrdtool database every 5 minutes. It would be easy to parse the output of mailstats(1) and return the results via snmp. Cheers, -- Mark Drayton To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 13:50:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887D337B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 13:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA72151; Fri, 11 May 2001 22:50:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFC5081.E8451AFC@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:50:09 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> <20010510222936.A15908@xor.obsecurity.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Kris Kennaway wrote: > > ... > There's nothing wrong with the xemacs21 port. You could go and fetch > the package to prove this (if the port was broken, the package > wouldn't build). Granted that the xemacs example was a bad one. But never mind, I've already been asked, off-list, to stop wasting that persons time in this manner. Might as well, I guess. Roelof PS a package only shows that that specific port could be build with those specific options at that specific time. PPS ok, I need to work some on my resolve -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 14:15:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE3E37B424 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 14:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA72229; Fri, 11 May 2001 23:15:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFC565D.AECE9C5F@eboa.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:15:09 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rasputin Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> <20010511094813.A20755@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rasputin wrote: > > >... > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1955761 May 10 00:30 gnome > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 636835 May 10 02:46 kde2 > > Freaky - those two both work for me. > > Sounds like your ports tree is shafted, because the ports work for others. Interesting suggestion. Never mind the obvious 'how could it have been shafted?', but rather point out how one can verify the state of ones port collection. Please :). Each tarball has an unique MD5 hash. Each port release has the distinfo file with the MD5's it has been based upon. Hence each port can verify if the tarball fetched is the right one. Alternatively it can check if needed needed stuff like libs or execs are present. Yet how can a sysop check the correctness of the collection itself? As well as supporting utilities, of course. Just wipe /usr/ports and refetch the whole shebang? Coupled with a CVSup of the source, is it advisable to also wipe the /usr/src tree? Or are there diagnostic tools? Would be nice since that would be a nice first step in the diagnostic process. Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 15: 8:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CA537B424 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1DFC10F40F; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:08:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: "Roelof Osinga" , "Rasputin" Cc: References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> <20010511094813.A20755@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AFC565D.AECE9C5F@eboa.com> Subject: Re: What gives? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 17:05:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The most common thing I find is leftovers, like a Makefile.inc or a work directory, do a make clean on them, I periodically do a make clean in /usr/ports. I know there is probably a more efficient way to do it, but I just let it go for a while. You could also do it before you install somethings, just do a make clean install, because it also cleans the dependencies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Osinga" To: "Rasputin" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: What gives? > Rasputin wrote: > > > > >... > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1955761 May 10 00:30 gnome > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 636835 May 10 02:46 kde2 > > > > Freaky - those two both work for me. > > > > > Sounds like your ports tree is shafted, because the ports work for others. > > Interesting suggestion. Never mind the obvious 'how could it have > been shafted?', but rather point out how one can verify the state > of ones port collection. Please :). > > Each tarball has an unique MD5 hash. Each port release has the distinfo > file with the MD5's it has been based upon. Hence each port can verify > if the tarball fetched is the right one. Alternatively it can check > if needed needed stuff like libs or execs are present. > > Yet how can a sysop check the correctness of the collection itself? > As well as supporting utilities, of course. Just wipe /usr/ports and > refetch the whole shebang? Coupled with a CVSup of the source, is it > advisable to also wipe the /usr/src tree? Or are there diagnostic tools? > > Would be nice since that would be a nice first step in the diagnostic > process. > > Roelof > > -- > _______________________________________________________________________ > eBOA® est. 1982 > http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 > mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 15:19:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BD537B424 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 15:19:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (warez.scriptkiddie.org [209.162.142.38]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A861262D01 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Lamont Granquist To: Subject: fat32 slower than dogshit? In-Reply-To: <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> Message-ID: <20010511151056.J15049-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, i think it is, i'm actually not too sure exactly how fast dogshit is in the first place. But in doing a simple untar on a fat32 partition using both 4-stable a couple days after release and a recently updated 4-stable as of yesterday (5/10) it goes about 20-30 times slower than an untar on a UFS partition. Now i know fat32 is supposed to be slower than UFS, but this seems a little bit rediculous. Does this sound like a known problem? If someone wants more information I can probably dig down and get it if I know what you want... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 15:40:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from c007.snv.cp.net (c007-h008.c007.snv.cp.net [209.228.33.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1E6937B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 15:40:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from otterr@telocity.com) Received: (cpmta 23759 invoked from network); 11 May 2001 15:40:20 -0700 Received: from dsl-216-227-91-85.telocity.com (HELO zoso) (216.227.91.85) by smtp.telocity.com (209.228.33.214) with SMTP; 11 May 2001 15:40:20 -0700 X-Sent: 11 May 2001 22:40:20 GMT From: "Otter" To: "'David W. Chapman Jr.'" , "'Roelof Osinga'" , "'Rasputin'" Cc: Subject: RE: What gives? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:37:50 -0400 Message-ID: <001101c0da6b$02f9b910$1400a8c0@zoso> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 In-Reply-To: <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If you really question your ports tree, just rm -rf /usr/ports/* and cvsup again. -Otter > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of David W. Chapman > Jr. > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 6:06 PM > To: Roelof Osinga; Rasputin > Cc: stable@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: What gives? > > > The most common thing I find is leftovers, like a > Makefile.inc or a work > directory, do a make clean on them, I periodically do a make clean in > /usr/ports. I know there is probably a more efficient way to > do it, but I > just let it go for a while. You could also do it before you install > somethings, just do a make clean install, because it also cleans the > dependencies. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roelof Osinga" > To: "Rasputin" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 4:15 PM > Subject: Re: What gives? > > > > Rasputin wrote: > > > > > > >... > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1955761 May 10 00:30 gnome > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 636835 May 10 02:46 kde2 > > > > > > Freaky - those two both work for me. > > > > > > > > Sounds like your ports tree is shafted, because the ports work for > others. > > > > Interesting suggestion. Never mind the obvious 'how could it have > > been shafted?', but rather point out how one can verify the state > > of ones port collection. Please :). > > > > Each tarball has an unique MD5 hash. Each port release has > the distinfo > > file with the MD5's it has been based upon. Hence each port > can verify > > if the tarball fetched is the right one. Alternatively it can check > > if needed needed stuff like libs or execs are present. > > > > Yet how can a sysop check the correctness of the collection itself? > > As well as supporting utilities, of course. Just wipe /usr/ports and > > refetch the whole shebang? Coupled with a CVSup of the source, is it > > advisable to also wipe the /usr/src tree? Or are there > diagnostic tools? > > > > Would be nice since that would be a nice first step in the > diagnostic > > process. > > > > Roelof > > > > -- > > > ______________________________________________________________ > _________ > > eBOA® est. 1982 > > http://eBOA.com/ tel. > +31-58-2123014 > > mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. > +31-58-2160293 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 16:26:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from krycek.zoominternet.net (krycek.zoominternet.net [63.67.120.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DA5A37B424 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:26:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmmiller@cvzoom.net) Received: (qmail 17517 invoked from network); 11 May 2001 23:24:13 -0000 Received: from acs-24-154-37-140.zoominternet.net (HELO cvzoom.net) (24.154.37.140) by krycek.zoominternet.net with SMTP; 11 May 2001 23:24:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3AFC7509.E0DAFE66@cvzoom.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:26:01 -0400 From: Donn Miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lamont Granquist Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fat32 slower than dogshit? References: <20010511151056.J15049-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lamont Granquist wrote: > > Well, i think it is, i'm actually not too sure exactly how fast dogshit is > in the first place. But in doing a simple untar on a fat32 partition > using both 4-stable a couple days after release and a recently updated > 4-stable as of yesterday (5/10) it goes about 20-30 times slower than an > untar on a UFS partition. That sounds about right. This is one of many reasons I don't run WinDOS anymore. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 16:26:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.epylon.com (sf-gw.epylon.com [63.93.9.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4524037B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:26:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jason.DiCioccio@Epylon.com) Received: by goofy.epylon.lan with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:26:18 -0700 Message-ID: <657B20E93E93D4118F9700D0B73CE3EA0166D858@goofy.epylon.lan> From: Jason DiCioccio To: "'freebsd-stable@freebsd.org'" Subject: Unexplained Load Averages Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:26:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello! My friend and I have both been having issues regarding unexplained load on our machines. His was the culprit today and I finally decided to send it in to the list. Below is some output which shows the 2.00 load average (dual CPU) and the lack of processes to explain it. I think it's probably something in the kernel taking the CPU, however I know of no way to check. I had the same problems on my machine about 5 days ago (4.3-RC) except it was 1.00 (single processor) instead. I am assuming that there are others having this same problem out there and would love to get an answer to this. (Or perhaps it's been fixed? It's very sporadic(sp?)) I also checked for trojaned binaries in case someone had put a rootkit on the machine but could find no traces of one present. I even checked /proc/*/status manually and they matched up with what ps was reporting. I am doubting this is a security issue and assuming that again, there is something in the kernel causing this load. Any help would appreciated. Thanks in advance, - -Jason DiCioccio - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------- spritle% uptime (~) 4:10PM up 2 days, 23:57, 2 users, load averages: 2.00, 2.00, 2.00 last pid: 10421; load averages: 2.00, 2.00, 2.00 up 2+23:58:16 16:11:21 34 processes: 1 running, 33 sleeping CPU states: % user, % nice, % system, % interrupt, % idle Mem: 32M Active, 168M Inact, 30M Wired, 1396K Cache, 17M Buf, 19M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free PID USERNAME PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE C TIME WCPU CPU COMMAND 10421 calvin 36 0 1832K 1084K CPU1 1 0:00 17.00% 0.83% top 238 zope 2 0 12828K 12168K poll 1 1:46 0.00% 0.00% python 96 root 2 0 3596K 3228K select 1 0:22 0.00% 0.00% named 221 root 2 0 1848K 1252K select 0 0:17 0.00% 0.00% sshd 184 root 2 0 3292K 2436K select 0 0:17 0.00% 0.00% httpd spritle% iostat (~) tty da0 da1 da2 cpu tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy in id 0 3 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 1 99 spritle% vmstat (~) procs memory page disks faults cpu r b w avm fre flt re pi po fr sr da0 da1 in sy cs us sy id 0 0 0 35584 21392 4 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 230 87 5 0 1 99 spritle% vmstat -m (~) Memory statistics by bucket size Size In Use Free Requests HighWater Couldfree 16 460 1076 178869 0 1280 32 194 574 33021 0 640 64 5983 1249 942496 0 320 128 1274 582 59746 0 160 256 5533 99 485449 0 80 512 42 38 365 0 40 1K 317 831 24699 0 20 2K 24 52 957 0 10 4K 18 1 527 0 5 8K 8 1 71 0 5 16K 5 0 5 0 5 32K 2 0 2 0 5 64K 5 0 5 0 5 128K 1 0 1 0 5 256K 1 0 1 0 5 Memory usage type by bucket size Size Type(s) 16 MD disk, kld, proc-args, atexit, temp, sysctl, bus, rman, soname, pcb, mount, vnodes, ether_multi, routetbl, IpFw/IpAcct, p1003.1b, ACD driver, devbuf, isa_devlist, atkbddev 32 linux, kld, sigio, proc-args, temp, pgrp, proc, subproc, sysctl, bus, eventhandler, SWAP, soname, pcb, cluster_save buffer, vnodes, BPF, ifaddr, ether_multi, routetbl, in_multi, tseg_qent, ATAPI generic, devbuf 64 file, proc-args, lockf, temp, session, subproc, bus, eventhandler, rman, pcb, vfscache, cluster_save buffer, vnodes, ifaddr, ether_multi, routetbl, isadev, devbuf 128 ppbusdev, kld, timecounter, dev_t, proc-args, zombie, temp, cred, bus, ttys, soname, vfscache, mount, vnodes, ifaddr, routetbl, ZONE, ATAPI generic, devbuf 256 file desc, proc-args, temp, proc, subproc, bus, ttys, vfscache, vnodes, ifaddr, routetbl, IpFw/IpAcct, NFS daemon, FFS node, ACD driver, devbuf, isa_devlist 512 file desc, temp, ioctlops, ptys, BIO buffer, mount, UFS mount, ATA generic, devbuf 1K MD disk, file desc, temp, proc, bus, ioctlops, BIO buffer, NQNFS Lease, devbuf, isa_devlist 2K kld, file desc, temp, bus, pcb, BIO buffer, UFS mount, ACD driver, devbuf, mbuf 4K kld, file desc, temp, devbuf, memdesc 8K kld, file desc, temp, bus, UFS mount, devbuf 16K kld, devbuf 32K temp, MSDOSFS mount 64K ISOFS mount, kld, NFS hash, UFS ihash, VM pgdata 128K vfscache 256K SWAP Memory statistics by type Type Kern Type InUse MemUse HighUse Limit Requests Limit Limit Size(s) linux 6 1K 1K 42658K 6 0 0 32 MD disk 2 2K 2K 42658K 2 0 0 16,1K ppbusdev 3 1K 1K 42658K 3 0 0 128 ISOFS mount 1 64K 64K 42658K 1 0 0 64K kld 10 85K 91K 42658K 52 0 0 16,32,128,2K,4K,8K,16K,64K timecounter 5 1K 1K 42658K 5 0 0 128 dev_t 484 61K 61K 42658K 484 0 0 128 file desc 53 24K 47K 42658K 10583 0 0 256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K file 188 12K 74K 42658K 353787 0 0 64 sigio 1 1K 1K 42658K 23 0 0 32 proc-args 25 2K 3K 42658K 28113 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 zombie 0 0K 1K 42658K 10386 0 0 128 atexit 1 1K 1K 42658K 1 0 0 16 lockf 3 1K 1K 42658K 42127 0 0 64 temp 153 32K 62K 42658K 10851 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,32K pgrp 21 1K 1K 42658K 5718 0 0 32 session 19 2K 2K 42658K 5587 0 0 64 proc 10 3K 3K 42658K 4414 0 0 32,256,1K subproc 88 7K 11K 42658K 25957 0 0 32,64,256 cred 21 3K 7K 42658K 11830 0 0 128 sysctl 0 0K 1K 42658K 4179 0 0 16,32 bus 357 37K 37K 42658K 504 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,1K,2K,8K eventhandler 14 1K 1K 42658K 14 0 0 32,64 SWAP 2 173K 173K 42658K 2 0 0 32,256K ioctlops 0 0K 1K 42658K 6 0 0 512,1K rman 50 3K 3K 42658K 71 0 0 16,64 ttys 328 42K 52K 42658K 1342 0 0 128,256 ptys 5 3K 3K 42658K 5 0 0 512 soname 5 1K 1K 42658K 155903 0 0 16,32,128 pcb 28 5K 21K 42658K 18013 0 0 16,32,64,2K BIO buffer 52 59K 876K 42658K 24071 0 0 512,1K,2K vfscache 5787 510K 575K 42658K 531620 0 0 64,128,256,128K cluster_save buffer 0 0K 1K 42658K 409 0 0 32,64 mount 5 3K 3K 42658K 7 0 0 16,128,512 vnodes 25 6K 6K 42658K 349 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 MSDOSFS mount 1 32K 32K 42658K 1 0 0 32K BPF 4 1K 1K 42658K 4 0 0 32 ifaddr 14 2K 2K 42658K 14 0 0 32,64,128,256 ether_multi 7 1K 1K 42658K 7 0 0 16,32,64 routetbl 37 5K 144K 42658K 5753 0 0 16,32,64,128,256 in_multi 2 1K 1K 42658K 2 0 0 32 IpFw/IpAcct 6 1K 1K 42658K 6 0 0 16,256 tseg_qent 0 0K 1K 42658K 7104 0 0 32 NFS daemon 1 1K 1K 42658K 1 0 0 256 NQNFS Lease 1 1K 1K 42658K 1 0 0 1K NFS hash 1 64K 64K 42658K 1 0 0 64K p1003.1b 1 1K 1K 42658K 1 0 0 16 FFS node 5386 1347K 1347K 42658K 465501 0 0 256 UFS ihash 1 64K 64K 42658K 1 0 0 64K UFS mount 12 36K 36K 42658K 12 0 0 512,2K,8K VM pgdata 1 64K 64K 42658K 1 0 0 64K ZONE 19 3K 3K 42658K 19 0 0 128 isadev 9 1K 1K 42658K 9 0 0 64 ATA generic 0 1K 1K 42658K 1 0 0 512 ATAPI generic 1 1K 1K 42658K 2 0 0 32,128 ACD driver 3 3K 3K 42658K 3 0 0 16,256,2K devbuf 589 445K 446K 42658K 1326 0 0 16,32,64,128,256,512,1K,2K,4K,8K,16K mbuf 1 2K 2K 42658K 1 0 0 2K memdesc 1 4K 4K 42658K 1 0 0 4K isa_devlist 15 2K 2K 42658K 15 0 0 16,256,1K atkbddev 2 1K 1K 42658K 2 0 0 16 Memory Totals: In Use Free Requests 3204K 1177K 1726214 spritle% (~) spritle% dmesg (~) Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE #6: Sat Oct 14 13:21:49 PDT 2000 root@spritle.mediumlook.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/NETFINITY Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium Pro (198.95-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x619 Stepping = 9 Features=0xfbffreal memory = 268435456 (262144K bytes) avail memory = 257236992 (251208K bytes) Programming 16 pins in IOAPIC #0 IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 -> irq 0 FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor motherboard cpu0 (BSP): apic id: 0, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 cpu1 (AP): apic id: 1, version: 0x00040011, at 0xfec08000 io0 (APIC): apic id: 14, version: 0x000f0011, at 0xfec00000 Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0308000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 14.0 on pci0 eisa0: on isab0 mainboard0: on eisa0 slot 0 isa0: on isab0 chip0: <> mem 0xfffffc00-0xffffffff,0xfffffc00-0xffffffff,0xfffffc00-0xffffffff,0xff fffc00-0xffffffff,0xfffffc00-0xffffffff,0xfec01000-0xfec013ff at device 15.0 on pci0 chip1: at device 20.0 on pci0 pcib1: on motherboard pci1: on pcib1 ahc0: port 0xfc00-0xfcff mem 0xfe8ff000-0xfe8fffff irq 11 at device 11.0 on pci1 ahc0: Using left over BIOS settings ahc0: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs ahc1: port 0xf800-0xf8ff mem 0xfe8fe000-0xfe8fefff irq 9 at device 12.0 on pci1 ahc1: Using left over BIOS settings ahc1: aic7880 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 16/255 SCBs xl0: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xf480-0xf4ff mem 0xfe8fdc00-0xfe8fdc7f irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci1 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:da:28:b9:64 miibus0: on xl0 xlphy0: <3Com internal media interface> on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 ata0 at port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 irq 14 on isa0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60-0x6f on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port plip0: on ppbus0 APIC_IO: routing 8254 via IOAPIC #0 intpin 2 IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding disabled, default to deny, logging disabled SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! acd0: CDROM at ata0-master using BIOSPIO Waiting 7 seconds for SCSI devices to settle pass1 at ahc0 bus 0 target 15 lun 0 pass1: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device pass1: 3.300MB/s transfers pass4 at ahc1 bus 0 target 15 lun 0 pass4: Fixed Processor SCSI-2 device pass4: 3.300MB/s transfers da1 at ahc1 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8678MB (17774160 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8678C) da2 at ahc1 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 8678MB (17774160 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8678C) da0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8678MB (17774160 512 byte sectors: 64H 32S/T 8678C) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a WARNING: / was not properly dismounted -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOvx18lCmU62pemyaEQJ7QwCfUHSLVwvIPWpTDogXlQ5xZvIpII0An2LV Qu04RQl4VgksDNZ7fQ8dY/OJ =BHMD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 16:33:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD0A937B423; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14yMPl-00073e-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 11:33:41 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Freebsd-Stable@Freebsd. Org" Cc: Subject: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 11:32:56 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I upgraded a 4.2-STABLE box to 4.3-STABLE; it was running Exim 3.20. After reboot, Exim started fine, but I noticed some old frozen messages that I wanted to thaw... no go: # exim -bp /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from COPY relocation in exim bash-2.04# exim -M /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from COPY relocation in exim bash-2.04# exim -Mt /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from COPY relocation in exim # exim /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from COPY relocation in exim "PL_stack_max" looks like a Perl thingy. Upgrading Exim to 3.22 from the ports collection produced segfaults: # exim -d9 -bd -q30m Exim version 3.22 debug level 9 uid=0 gid=0 probably Berkeley DB version 1.8x (native mode) Caller is an admin user Caller is a trusted user originator: uid=0 gid=0 login=root name=Rootster Root port = 25 listening on all interfaces Segmentation fault The workaround for this is to comment out this line in the Exim port Makefile: # Enable the embedded Perl interpreter, allowing Perl subroutines to be # called during string expansion. # WITH_PERL= yes ^^^^^^^^^^--- uncommented by default. What's changed between 4.2-STABLE and 4.3-STABLE that kills Exim's embedded Perl interpreter? -- Juha The malformed orange Fails to satisfy the eye: Segmentation fault. -- Juha The malformed orange Fails to satisfy the eye: Segmentation fault. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 16:51:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from apocalypse.cdsnet.net (apocalypse.cdsnet.net [63.163.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5BA37B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:51:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu@apocalypse.cdsnet.net) Received: (from mrcpu@localhost) by apocalypse.cdsnet.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4BNpD864076 for stable@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 May 2001 16:51:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrcpu) Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:51:13 -0700 From: Jaye Mathisen To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: What sysctl variable controls keep-state *UDP* rule expiration? Message-ID: <20010511165113.O85928@apocalypse.cdsnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Lots of good stuff in there for tweaking TCP dynamic rules, but I don't see what controls the UDP ones, other than the total #. Any tip appreciated. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 17: 3:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bard.barchord.com (H97.C194.tor.velocet.net [216.138.194.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5562137B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:03:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbt@barchord.com) Received: (qmail 97930 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2001 00:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jester) (192.168.0.22) by bard.barchord.com with SMTP; 12 May 2001 00:02:59 -0000 Message-ID: <083a01c0da76$e81b1920$2205010a@jester> From: "Rod Taylor" To: References: <20010511151056.J15049-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> <3AFC7509.E0DAFE66@cvzoom.net> Subject: Re: fat32 slower than dogshit? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:03:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That said, it's been thought that Fat32 could actually help programs like Postgres which currently fight with the caching abilities of the UFS code in order to make it transaction safe -- and slows it down. Very simple studies showed that fat32 over ext2 was a 20% speed increase for the WAL log. So... it is useful -- in it's simplicity. -- Rod Taylor There are always four sides to every story: your side, their side, the truth, and what really happened. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donn Miller" To: "Lamont Granquist" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:26 PM Subject: Re: fat32 slower than dogshit? > Lamont Granquist wrote: > > > > Well, i think it is, i'm actually not too sure exactly how fast dogshit is > > in the first place. But in doing a simple untar on a fat32 partition > > using both 4-stable a couple days after release and a recently updated > > 4-stable as of yesterday (5/10) it goes about 20-30 times slower than an > > untar on a UFS partition. > > That sounds about right. This is one of many reasons I don't run WinDOS > anymore. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 17:10:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from cc762335-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com (cc415903-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com [24.180.16.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4273637B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:10:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from damascus@home.com) Received: (qmail 11683 invoked from network); 12 May 2001 00:13:52 -0000 Received: from athena.faerunhome.com (HELO athena.home.com) (192.168.0.2) by cc415903-a.ebnsk1.nj.home.com with SMTP; 12 May 2001 00:13:52 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010511200505.027754a0@netmail.home.com> X-Sender: damascus@netmail.home.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:08:13 -0500 To: Donn Miller From: Carroll Kong Subject: Re: fat32 slower than dogshit? Cc: Lamont Granquist , stable@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3AFC7509.E0DAFE66@cvzoom.net> References: <20010511151056.J15049-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:26 PM 5/11/01 -0400, Donn Miller wrote: >Lamont Granquist wrote: > > > > Well, i think it is, i'm actually not too sure exactly how fast dogshit is > > in the first place. But in doing a simple untar on a fat32 partition > > using both 4-stable a couple days after release and a recently updated > > 4-stable as of yesterday (5/10) it goes about 20-30 times slower than an > > untar on a UFS partition. > >That sounds about right. This is one of many reasons I don't run WinDOS >anymore. > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message Actually, I think it has a lot to do with the way FreeBSD implemented the mount_msdos or whatever. I am a big unix fan myself, but I did these tests a while back on 4.0 maybe or even 3.X on a multibooting box. I was quite shocked to see that for some odd reason, fat32 and fat16 writes would max at around 400KB/sec as opposed to megabytes/sec (on UFS and EXT2FS). Of course rebooting into windows gave me back the write speeds of megabytes/second, like any normal fs should. Considering that Fat32 is so featureless compared to UFS, it does not seem to make any sense that it is slower. (no multiple inodes, and such). Oh yeah, these were on contiguous files, so it was not really due to fragmentation. The same files were moved at much faster speeds. -Carroll Kong To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 17:50:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (www.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [212.111.192.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E519A37B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 17:50:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fm@astral.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua) Received: from astral.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (if-14-13-10M.astral.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua [10.100.0.14]) by relay1.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE6E2F663 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 03:50:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from fm@localhost) by astral.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f4C0nNj98583 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 May 2001 03:49:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from fm) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:49:23 +0300 From: "Dmitry A. Yanko" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: rc script seems to be broken for nfs Message-ID: <20010512034923.A98428@astral.ntu-kpi.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's seems, than during executing /etc/rc /sbin/mount try to mount nfs filesystems without portmap and rpc.statd loaded. I'm trying to mount nfs filesystems from /etc/fstab during system startup, but got RPC errors, when I pressed CTRL-C and saw how portmap and rpc.statd starting. When I'm execute mount from `rc.d' script or from root shell - it's OK. -- #include , fm. GnuPG fpr = 6101 9519 9A45 3D44 3BCB 0974 C774 5143 8F26 95B5 Mail message with GPG-KEY in subject to get my public key |&| DAY-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 18: 0:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dns0.rodfbs.net (dns0.rodfbs.net [210.230.183.227]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A671C37B423; Fri, 11 May 2001 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eakasaka@rodfbs.org) Received: from v6gw1.rodfbs.net (v6gw1.rodfbs.net [3ffe:505:2014:2:2a0:c9ff:fe97:e164]) by dns0.rodfbs.net (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7Wpl2+smtpcheck-local-2.34(ayamura)-rodfbs-3.0-00112802) with ESMTP id f4C10Id87357; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:00:18 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from eakasaka@rodfbs.org) Received: from rodfbs.net (v6gw2.rodfbs.net [2001:200:524:3:2a0:c9ff:fe8a:b3d]) by v6gw1.rodfbs.net (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7Wpl2+smtpcheck-local-2.34(ayamura)-rodfbs-3.0-00112801) with ESMTP id f4C10HS17779; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:00:18 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from eakasaka@rodfbs.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rodfbs.net (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7Wpl2+smtpcheck-local-2.34(ayamura)-rodfbs-3.0-00112805) with ESMTP id f4C10HZ59638; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:00:17 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from eakasaka@rodfbs.org) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:00:10 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20010512.100010.783380329.eakasaka@rodfbs.org> To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: juha@saarinen.org, sheldonh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? From: Eriya Akasaka In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b121 on XEmacs 21.1.14 (Cuyahoga Valley) X-PGP-Fingerprint20: D50A 84E7 E8F9 CAD8 FB79 B7ED 16FA 763A 1CCA B257 X-PGP-Public-Key-URL: http://pgp.nic.ad.jp:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x1CCAB257 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not Exim user. >>>>> In article , On Sat, 12 May 2001 11:32:56 +1200 "Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems?" "Juha Saarinen" wrote: juha> I upgraded a 4.2-STABLE box to 4.3-STABLE; it was running Exim 3.20. After juha> reboot, Exim started fine, but I noticed some old frozen messages that I juha> wanted to thaw... no go: juha> # exim -bp juha> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from juha> COPY relocation in exim juha> bash-2.04# exim -M juha> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from juha> COPY relocation in exim juha> bash-2.04# exim -Mt juha> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from juha> COPY relocation in exim juha> # exim juha> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Undefined symbol "PL_stack_max" referenced from juha> COPY relocation in exim juha> "PL_stack_max" looks like a Perl thingy. Are you enable "PERL_THREADED= true" in /etc/make.conf ? If so, try commented out(disable) PERL_THREADED= true then make buildworld and make installworld. After installworld, build ports/mail/exim. juha> Upgrading Exim to 3.22 from the ports collection produced segfaults: juha> # exim -d9 -bd -q30m juha> Exim version 3.22 debug level 9 uid=0 gid=0 juha> probably Berkeley DB version 1.8x (native mode) juha> Caller is an admin user juha> Caller is a trusted user juha> originator: uid=0 gid=0 login=root name=Rootster Root juha> port = 25 juha> listening on all interfaces juha> Segmentation fault juha> The workaround for this is to comment out this line in the Exim port juha> Makefile: juha> # Enable the embedded Perl interpreter, allowing Perl subroutines to be juha> # called during string expansion. juha> # WITH_PERL= yes juha> ^^^^^^^^^^--- uncommented by default. Similar problem apper some ports for example ports/news/inn and inn-stable, ports/www/mod_perl, ports/mail/im ... juha> What's changed between 4.2-STABLE and 4.3-STABLE that kills Exim's embedded juha> Perl interpreter? Sorry, I don't know it. Hints. Before buildworld, # cd /usr/ports/mail/exim/work/exim-3.22/build-FreeBSD-i386 # gdb ./exim /Full/Path/To/exim.core --Eriya Akasaka To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 18: 9:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0A737B424; Fri, 11 May 2001 18:09:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from dendennis.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=dendennis) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14yNpy-00078s-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 13:04:50 +1200 From: "Juha Saarinen" To: "Eriya Akasaka" , Cc: Subject: RE: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:04:05 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20010512.100010.783380329.eakasaka@rodfbs.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG :: Are you enable "PERL_THREADED= true" in /etc/make.conf ? :: If so, try commented out(disable) PERL_THREADED= true :: then make buildworld and make installworld. :: After installworld, build ports/mail/exim. Yes, I did enable that (had it enabled in 4.2-STABLE as well). Is there some isse with threaded Perl? Thanks! -- Juha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 18:36:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D861437B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA73367; Sat, 12 May 2001 03:36:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFC9394.C68F491D@eboa.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:36:20 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Cc: Rasputin , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> <20010511094813.A20755@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AFC565D.AECE9C5F@eboa.com> <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "David W. Chapman Jr." wrote: > > The most common thing I find is leftovers, like a Makefile.inc or a work > directory, do a make clean on them, I periodically do a make clean in > /usr/ports. I know there is probably a more efficient way to do it, but I > just let it go for a while. You could also do it before you install > somethings, just do a make clean install, because it also cleans the > dependencies. Sage advice, no doubt. Truth to tell, I've never actually done that - i.e. a 'make clean' in the /usr/ports directory before attempting to install a port. Though I am very intimately involved with both the Makefile.inc as well as the works/ directory sticks in the wheels of attempting a virgin install. As to the 'make clean', I'm not so sure. I doubt that would allow me to install the new gnome 1.4 without further ado. Also, I'm conversing with someone who did actually manage to install the firebird port on two distinct machine. I'm trying to find out what the difference is. I'm betting on me having last done a CVSup on the 15th of februar, but the jury's still out. Ok, let's see. Ok, I saw. --- No, I did not. Period. Here're the saillant details. Script started on Sat May 12 03:11:19 2001 test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# make clean ===> Cleaning for firebird-0.9_4 test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# make install >> firebird-boot-kit.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. >> Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.uk.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/. ^MReceiving firebird-boot-kit.tar.gz (483175 bytes): 0%^MReceiving firebird-boot (...) rm -f burp cc backup.o burp.o canonical.o misc.o mvol.o restore.o source/jrd/sdl.o -o burp -Lsource/jrd -lgds -lgds_pyxis -ldescrypt chmod 777 burp mv -f burp source/interbase/bin/gbak touch burp chmod 666 burp source/interbase/bin/gbak -c misc/metadata.gbak /usr/ports/databases/firebird/work/refDatabases/jrd/metadata.gdb can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4operating system directive semget failed can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4 No such file or directory can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:33 -- message system code -4 can't format message 12:169 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:83 -- message system code -4 *** Error code 1 Ok, more details... test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# ls -l /root/logs/kernel/ total 8646 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3652 Feb 11 13:44 2001.02.11 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3652 Feb 11 14:11 2001.02.11a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3761 Feb 15 16:02 2001.02.15 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1632524 May 9 19:42 2001.05.09-buildkernel -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6094492 May 9 06:30 2001.05.09-buildworld -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13344 May 9 19:45 2001.05.09-installkernel -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 551507 May 9 20:08 2001.05.09-installworld -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 423248 Jan 14 23:13 NISSER -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3901 Jan 14 23:18 NISSER-00 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13604 Jan 15 17:34 NISSER-01 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13604 Jan 15 17:52 NISSER-01a -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 3505 Jan 15 17:53 NISSER-01b -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 10713 Jan 15 19:26 NISSER-01c -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 29550 Feb 11 14:06 NISSER-02 test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# uname -a FreeBSD test.nisser.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Wed May 9 19:36:00 CEST 2001 toor@test.nisser.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NISSER-02 i386 test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# On the danger of repeating myself... believe you me, the firebird port has no *.inc file. Deleting the work directory would make no difference. Hold that thought... test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# rm -r work test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# make install ===> Extracting for firebird-0.9_4 >> Checksum OK for firebird-boot-kit.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for interbase0.9-4-v5examples.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for interbase0.9-4src.tar.gz. ... can't format message 12:169 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:83 -- message system code -4 *** Error code 1 ... OK, this is on a very recently CVSup'd 4.3 version. So what's the next step? Wait till hell freezes over? [Mind, I'm not knocking FreeBSD or the ports system, I'm knocking the idea that the ports system works fine without CVS. Subtle difference to be sure, yet one worth noting]. In fact, I'm parallel to this message carrying on an email discussion whith one who claim's to've installed this very port (no version numbers on either the port or the OS were mentioned) on two, count them - two, machines successfully. To which I replied, naturally, so what distinfo are you talking about and when's the last CVSup you performed? For the record: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1632524 May 9 19:42 2001.05.09-buildkernel -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6094492 May 9 06:30 2001.05.09-buildworld -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13344 May 9 19:45 2001.05.09-installkernel -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 551507 May 9 20:08 2001.05.09-installworld the other part was live, believe it or not. Roelof PS OK, it's my fault. That's usual. I mean, I'm married. Yet, what is the fault I made exactly this time? -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 18:56:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D140A37B43C for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 18:56:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Received: from eboa.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id DAA76497; Sat, 12 May 2001 03:56:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@eboa.com) Message-ID: <3AFC984D.CAB76B3C@eboa.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:56:29 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Otter Cc: "'David W. Chapman Jr.'" , "'Rasputin'" , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? References: <001101c0da6b$02f9b910$1400a8c0@zoso> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Otter wrote: > > If you really question your ports tree, just rm -rf /usr/ports/* and > cvsup again. I believe I farted, in that a reply I started went out uncontrolled. Me so sorry. Still... Script started on Sat May 12 03:38:14 2001 test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# RM ESC[1ESC[1ESC[1PESC[rm -rf /usr/ports/dat abases/firebird/ test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# rm -rf /usr/ports/databases/firebird/R^Mtest :/usr/ports/databases/firebird# make rm -rf /usr/ports/databases/firebird/ test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# sc^Gcvs^G cvs cvsbug cvsup cvsupd test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# cvsu^Gp /root/cvsup/ports-supfile Connected to cvsup.uk.FreeBSD.org Updating collection ports-all/cvs Edit ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk Edit ports/Mk/bsd.ruby.mk Edit ports/Mk/bsd.sites.mk etc. test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# script /root/logs/ports/firebirdC Script started, output file is /root/logs/ports/firebirdC test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# make install ===> Extracting for firebird-0.9_4 >> Checksum OK for firebird-boot-kit.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for interbase0.9-4-v5examples.tar.gz. >> Checksum OK for interbase0.9-4src.tar.gz. ... chmod 666 burp source/interbase/bin/gbak -c misc/metadata.gbak /usr/ports/databases/firebird/work/refDatabases/jrd/metadata.gdb can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4operating system directive semget failed can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4 No such file or directory can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:33 -- message system code -4 can't format message 12:169 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:83 -- message system code -4 *** Error code 1 Ok, so much for that suggestion. Like I said, I claim to be talking to someone who has actually installed this very port. Yet these distributions compiled on a system updated on test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# uname -a FreeBSD test.nisser.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Wed May 9 19:36:00 CEST 2001 toor@test.nisser.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NISSER-02 i386 test:/usr/ports/databases/firebird# ls -l /root/logs/kernel/ total 8646 ... -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1632524 May 9 19:42 2001.05.09-buildkernel -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 6094492 May 9 06:30 2001.05.09-buildworld -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 13344 May 9 19:45 2001.05.09-installkernel -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 551507 May 9 20:08 2001.05.09-installworld .... will not install. Thus I've been prompted to say that maybe now is the time to surrect some system that allows people to say X.C works on B.O. That would make it possible to point out to morons like me that X.C works on B.O, so whatever said moron claims is moronic indeed. A shrill contrast to the current situation where any... uhm, one can say that it is all the posters fault. Period. Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 19:25: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB3B37B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 19:24:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.teixeira@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p120-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.120]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA28583 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 03:15:49 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:26:20 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: mergemaster DEFAULT but STABLE? (Finished) In-Reply-To: <003e01c0d9ff$799ec4f0$5020d43e@ash> Message-ID: <20010512032209.H331-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, Thanks for those who helping me solve this doubt. Everything is fine and now I understand the meaning and functioning of mergemaster fantastic tool. And, now related to: > > Thanks very much. Now I am a STABLE guy! > > You WILL be stable guy after succsefull mergemaster :-)))) > > Hope this helps... > > -- > //ash I am a STABLE guy now :) Bye and thanks for your great help, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com - -- PGP Public Key: http://www.pt-quorum.com/pgp/nunoteixeira.asc On Fri, 11 May 2001, Alexander Naumochkin wrote: > > I've just upgraded my system from 4.2R to 4-STABLE for the first time > > without any errors. > > Congratulations! :) > > > The problem is the right use of mergemaster. I have see around this list > > that some of you use other techniques of find diffs and install, merge or > > do nothing about /etc files. > > > > For the first time I use mergemaster and I do a lot of wrong things, and > > the system stopted. But, I have a backup of /etc and now everything is > > working even with the old /etc files. > > > > What I like to know is what are the best way to use mergemaster (or other > > thing else) without puting in risk some important files but be updated? > > > > What I looking for is something like make buildworld, installworld, > > buildkernel, installkernel, etc..., because them doens't ask anything > > to the user but mergemaster do and if we do anything wrong, then the > > system maybe stops. > > For the newbies I always recomend the following steps: > > 1. Run "mergemaster -svia" > 2. Rerun "mergemaster -svir" > > At the 2nd step mergemaster shall ask you alot of questions like "What do > you want to do with ?" Always choose "i" (install new version) > for the files you [must] never change (periodic-scripts, rc-scripts for > example). And always choose "d" (delete new version and keep existing) for > the files like /etc/master.passwd or /etc/group. Some files (inetd.conf for > example) may require special kind of interaction - "m" (merge old and new > versions), but mergemasters interface is clean enough for this task, just be > accurate :-) Probably. it may be simple to install new versions of such > files and then reedit them as you need. > > At the end answer "yes" on the questions about delete /var/tmp/temproot, if > you don't want to get some difficulties on next mergemastering... > > > Thanks very much. Now I am a STABLE guy! > > You WILL be stable guy after succsefull mergemaster :-)))) > > Hope this helps... > > -- > //ash > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOvyfVI8HcgpjoE/HEQImxQCfXK7usayjPUoKNZXiT1ABklkzM8YAnR8+ iyvr3Rml2YP/ES/nvqu7hEgV =T60M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 20:52:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.bmi.net (smtp.bmi.net [204.57.191.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A6037B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 20:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmcoopr@webmail.bmi.net) Received: from webmail.bmi.net (dsl-154.bmi.net [207.173.60.230]) by smtp.bmi.net (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20771 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 20:52:13 -0700 Message-ID: <3AFCB379.2AADB609@webmail.bmi.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:52:25 -0700 From: John Merryweather Cooper Reply-To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en-US, en, en-GB MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-STABLE Mailing List Subject: make world still broken around krb4_version bug--when will the patch reach stable? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been cvsuping all day and repeatedly trying to make world but no dice--things collapse around the krb4_version bug (char *, const char * clash). I know a patch was supposed to have been committed, but to date I haven't seen it--at least on cvsup8.FreeBSD.org. FIX ME? jmc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 20:59:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zoon.lafn.org (zoon.lafn.org [206.117.18.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF7C737B423 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 20:59:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.100] (cs-lake1-p26.lafn.org [192.168.11.26] (may be forged)) by zoon.lafn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4C3xh555099 for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 20:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bc979@mail.lafn.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010421230058.B00A73E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010421230058.B00A73E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:59:02 -0700 To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Doug Hardie Subject: libcrypto Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just finished updating 3 systems to FreeBSD 4.3-Release. The first was via cvsup from 4.2-Release. The second was an update installation from CD to a 3.5-Stable system, and the third was an update from CD to I don't remember what version. I use the first system as the source master. I build kernels etc for all on that machie and NFS mount to install on the others. That part seems to work fine. However, one of the ports fails to install when on some of the machines it can't find libcrypto.so.1. Looking at the crypto libs, the first machine only has libcrypto.so.1. The second machine only has libcrypto.so.2, and the third has both. There is no indication that the 2 .1 files are the same. They have different sizes. Same with the .2 files. Recompiling the port on each machine works of course. However, I would like to be able to compile them on the first machine and then just install on the others. -- -- Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Fri May 11 23:42:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from bumper.jellybaby.net (bumper.jellybaby.net [194.159.247.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077337B43E for ; Fri, 11 May 2001 23:42:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simond@bumper.jellybaby.net) Received: (from simond@localhost) by bumper.jellybaby.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id HAA18957; Sat, 12 May 2001 07:43:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from simond) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 07:43:47 +0100 From: simond@irrelevant.org To: Lamont Granquist Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fat32 slower than dogshit? Message-ID: <20010512074346.B18681@irrelevant.org> References: <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> <20010511151056.J15049-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20010511151056.J15049-100000@warez.scriptkiddie.org>; from lamont@scriptkiddie.org on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:19:21PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:19:21PM -0700, Lamont Granquist wrote: > > Well, i think it is, i'm actually not too sure exactly how fast dogshit is > in the first place. But in doing a simple untar on a fat32 partition > using both 4-stable a couple days after release and a recently updated > 4-stable as of yesterday (5/10) it goes about 20-30 times slower than an > untar on a UFS partition. Now i know fat32 is supposed to be slower than > UFS, but this seems a little bit rediculous. Does this sound like a known > problem? If someone wants more information I can probably dig down and > get it if I know what you want... I noticed that the msdos filesystem got very slow myself a while back, for me turning the write cache (ata(4)) back on helped speed things back up again, it's not the ideal solution, but it worked for me. -- Simon Dick simond@irrelevant.org "Why do I get this urge to go bowling everytime I see Tux?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 0:29:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.x9media.com (mail.x9media.com [62.104.116.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88C9B37B43C for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 00:29:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thomas.may@x9media.com) Received: from tmnotebook (213.7.60.61) by mail.x9media.com with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.30.03 XN-0098304) for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 09:26:57 +0200 Message-ID: <001301c0dab5$2e8a5f90$fe78a8c0@tmnotebook> From: "Thomas May" To: Subject: hp omnibook xe3 with accton en 2242 network interface card ! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:28:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0DAC5.F1DC4110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Reply-To: thomas.may@x9media.com Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0DAC5.F1DC4110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, i have the problems getting no driver for my notebook and the network = card for freebsd. its an hp omnibook xe3 with an accton en2242 network card on the release version 4.3 the cd-boot stops with=20 =20 plip0: on ppbus0 do you have a solution ? thanks thomas from berlin ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0DAC5.F1DC4110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
i have the problems getting no driver = for my=20 notebook and the network card for freebsd.
its an hp omnibook xe3 with an accton en2242 network card
on the release version 4.3 the cd-boot = stops with=20
 
plip0:<PLIP network interface> on = ppbus0
 
do you have a solution ?
 
thanks
thomas from=20 berlin
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C0DAC5.F1DC4110-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 1: 8:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-32.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AAA137B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 01:08:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8EED466C04; Sat, 12 May 2001 01:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:08:16 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Doug Hardie Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libcrypto Message-ID: <20010512010816.A39710@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010421230058.B00A73E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from bc979@lafn.org on Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:59:02PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:59:02PM -0700, Doug Hardie wrote: > I just finished updating 3 systems to FreeBSD 4.3-Release. The first=20 > was via cvsup from 4.2-Release. The second was an update=20 > installation from CD to a 3.5-Stable system, and the third was an=20 > update from CD to I don't remember what version. >=20 > I use the first system as the source master. I build kernels etc for=20 > all on that machie and NFS mount to install on the others. That part=20 > seems to work fine. However, one of the ports fails to install when=20 > on some of the machines it can't find libcrypto.so.1. Looking at the=20 > crypto libs, the first machine only has libcrypto.so.1. The second=20 > machine only has libcrypto.so.2, and the third has both. There is no=20 > indication that the 2 .1 files are the same. They have different=20 > sizes. Same with the .2 files. You probably didn't update the crypto sources on the machine with the =2E1 library. .2 is from 4.3-RELEASE, .1 is the old version (it's also included in the compat42 distribution under 4.3 for binary compatibilities with binaries built under the older release) Kris --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6/O9vWry0BWjoQKURAuDsAJ4ujP4z+X5XJlIkkv+M0xxN0kSDGgCfarax XRG7qbDtKBO+g3DajZv3f4A= =zJHd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 7: 2:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from netcabo.pt (mail1.netcabo.pt [212.113.161.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A48E37B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 07:02:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brunomiguel@netcabo.pt) Received: from hununu ([213.22.28.75]) by netcabo.pt with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Sat, 12 May 2001 14:50:22 +0100 From: "Bruno Miguel" Organization: Artists, Inc. To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 14:52:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FreeBSD - Stable and ACL support Reply-To: brunomiguel@netcabo.pt Message-ID: <3AFD4E39.23858.12339E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG When is ACL supposed to be in -STABLE ? I am using Samba 2.2.0 and I'd like to use ACL to keep those NT admins shut up :-) ...:-=>> The freaking Mail Band <<=-:... hununu@netcabo.pt D.E.Q. @ I.S.T. - Portugal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 7: 7: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists01.iafrica.com (lists01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0D137B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 07:06:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@uunet.co.za) Received: from nwl.fw.uunet.co.za ([196.31.2.162]) by lists01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 14ya2Z-0005Q3-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 16:06:39 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za (8.8.8/8.6.9) id QAA18020; Sat, 12 May 2001 16:06:36 +0200 (SAST) Received: by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za via recvmail id 17931; Sat May 12 16:05:47 2001 Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.fw.uunet.co.za) by axl.fw.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ya1i-000NGr-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 16:05:46 +0200 To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Eriya Akasaka" , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 May 2001 13:04:05 +1200." Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:05:46 +0200 Message-ID: <89456.989676346@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> From: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001 13:04:05 +1200, "Juha Saarinen" wrote: > Yes, I did enable that (had it enabled in 4.2-STABLE as well). > > Is there some isse with threaded Perl? I've had horrible luck with Perl threads, but I've never lookde into it seriously. By the way, ports are generally supposed to survive an upgrade, as long as you don't blow away old libraries. However, applications that link against Perl should, in my opinion, always be rebuilt and linked against the new Perl libraries after an upgrade. For example, I had similar nasties with nvi linked against Perl in an upgrade from 4.2-STABLE to 5.0-CURRENT recently. Thanks for the feedback though. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 7:36:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ntua.gr (achilles.noc.ntua.gr [147.102.222.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C3237B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 07:36:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from past@netmode.ntua.gr) Received: from netmode.ntua.gr (dolly.netmode.ece.ntua.gr [147.102.13.10]) by ntua.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26267; Sat, 12 May 2001 17:36:51 +0300 (EET DST) Received: (from past@localhost) by netmode.ntua.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f4CEqMh37689; Sat, 12 May 2001 17:52:22 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from past) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:52:22 +0300 From: Panagiotis Astithas To: Thomas May Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: hp omnibook xe3 with accton en 2242 network interface card ! Message-ID: <20010512175222.A37213@netmode.ece.ntua.gr> Reply-To: past@netmode.ntua.gr Mail-Followup-To: Panagiotis Astithas , Thomas May , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <001301c0dab5$2e8a5f90$fe78a8c0@tmnotebook> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <001301c0dab5$2e8a5f90$fe78a8c0@tmnotebook>; from thomas.may@x9media.com on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 09:28:46AM +0200 X-Organizational-Unit: Network Management and Optimal Design Laboratory X-Organization: National Technical University of Athens, GREECE X-Work-Phone: +30-1-772-1-450 X-Work-FAX: +30-1-772-1-452 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 09:28:46AM +0200, Thomas May wrote: > Hi, > > i have the problems getting no driver for my notebook and the network card for freebsd. > its an hp omnibook xe3 with an accton en2242 network card > on the release version 4.3 the cd-boot stops with > > plip0: on ppbus0 > > do you have a solution ? The card is perfectly supported by the dc driver. Are you sure the problem is with the network adapter? My dmesg shows that the line: plip0: on ppbus0 is followed by this one: lpt0: on ppbus0 The line that identifies the network adapter comes earlier: dc0: port 0x1c00-0x1cff mem 0xe8000000-0xe80003ff irq 11 at device 16.0 on pci0 Of course these messages are from a running system, not from the initial kernel boot during sysinstall. -past To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 9:24:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix-shells.com (handi5-212-144-200-145.arcor-ip.net [212.144.200.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB7B37B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by unix-shells.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4CGOOc41008; Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) Received: from mobile (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unix-shells.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with SMTP id f4CGOL340998; Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= To: "Sheldon Hearn" Cc: Subject: RE: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <89456.989676346@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi sirs, after rebuilding my SMP system (4-STABLE) with threaded perl mod_perl doesnt work. Just to let you know... Björn Lönneker To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 9:45:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E94D37B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 09:45:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id f4CGjA213621; Sat, 12 May 2001 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 09:45:10 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= Cc: Sheldon Hearn , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? Message-ID: <20010512094510.D18676@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <89456.989676346@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from bjoern@loenneker.com on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 06:24:19PM +0200 X-all-your-base: are belong to us. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * Björn Lönneker [010512 09:25] wrote: > Hi sirs, > > after rebuilding my SMP system (4-STABLE) with threaded perl mod_perl doesnt > work. > > > Just to let you know... There's been reports of high amounts of solar wind lately, not only that but with space aliens abducting our ftp server who knows what could be wrong. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [alfred@freebsd.org] http://www.egr.unlv.edu/~slumos/on-netbsd.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 10:48:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (216-118-21-146.pdq.net [216.118.21.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A6937B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:48:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: from dwcjr (DWCJR.inethouston.net [216.118.21.147]) by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60B310F40F; Sat, 12 May 2001 12:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001d01c0db0b$c2c6b720$931576d8@inethouston.net> From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: , References: <3AFD4E39.23858.12339E@localhost> Subject: Re: FreeBSD - Stable and ACL support Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 12:48:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I don't think its supported in -stable, it is in -current. I think you can possibly download a patch from samba for -stable, but I don't know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruno Miguel" To: Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: FreeBSD - Stable and ACL support > When is ACL supposed to be in -STABLE ? I am using Samba 2.2.0 and I'd > like to use ACL to keep those NT admins shut up :-) > > > ...:-=>> The freaking Mail Band <<=-:... > hununu@netcabo.pt > D.E.Q. @ I.S.T. - Portugal > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 10:51:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists01.iafrica.com (lists01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54D437B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:51:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@uunet.co.za) Received: from nwl.fw.uunet.co.za ([196.31.2.162]) by lists01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 14ydYG-0006UH-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:51:36 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za (8.8.8/8.6.9) id TAA13923; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:51:30 +0200 (SAST) Received: by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za via recvmail id 13827; Sat May 12 19:50:37 2001 Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.fw.uunet.co.za) by axl.fw.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ydXJ-000NhL-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:50:37 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:19 +0200." Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:50:37 +0200 Message-ID: <91098.989689837@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> From: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:19 +0200, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= wrote: > after rebuilding my SMP system (4-STABLE) with threaded perl mod_perl doe= > snt > work. Your message demands answers to two questons. ;-) 1) Did you rebuild mod_perl after the upgrade? 2) What are the symptoms that define "doesn't work"? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 10:52:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8C737B440 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Received: from DougBarton.net (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA61372; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@DougBarton.net) Message-ID: <3AFD7844.F74F0B8F@DougBarton.net> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 10:52:04 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" Cc: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" , Ian Chilton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Re: natd locks me out References: <20010511105928.A22838@woody.ichilton.co.uk> <3AFBEFE6.ED85C80C@lmc.ericsson.se> <3AFC0A97.2E570C0F@lmc.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" wrote: > > > sh rc.firewall > firewall.out 2>&1 > > ... is the correct syntax The way I try to remember it is that "2>&1" means, "Send STDERR to wherever STDOUT was redirected to." If you think of it that way, that bit has to come at the end because it doesn't make sense for it to come first since STDOUT hasn't been redirected anywhere yet. HTH, Doug -- I need someone really bad. Are you really bad? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 10:59:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix-shells.com (handi5-212-144-200-145.arcor-ip.net [212.144.200.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 694AD37B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 10:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by unix-shells.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4CHxE341938; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:59:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) Received: from mobile (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unix-shells.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with SMTP id f4CHx7341928; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:59:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= To: "Sheldon Hearn" Cc: Subject: RE: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:59:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <91098.989689837@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 1) yes 2) mod_perl compiles and installs fine, but Apache doesnt start because mod_perl segfaults. Tschüss, Björn. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Sheldon Hearn Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 7:51 PM To: Björn Lönneker Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? On Sat, 12 May 2001 18:24:19 +0200, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= wrote: > after rebuilding my SMP system (4-STABLE) with threaded perl mod_perl doe= > snt > work. Your message demands answers to two questons. ;-) 1) Did you rebuild mod_perl after the upgrade? 2) What are the symptoms that define "doesn't work"? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 11: 2:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from snark.ptc.spbu.ru (snark.ptc.spbu.ru [195.19.225.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 674F037B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 11:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from uwe@snark.ptc.spbu.ru) Received: (from uwe@localhost) by snark.ptc.spbu.ru (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA01115; Sat, 12 May 2001 22:02:17 +0400 (MSD) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:02:17 +0400 From: "Valeriy E. Ushakov" To: Doug Barton Cc: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" , Ian Chilton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [OT] Re: natd locks me out Message-ID: <20010512220217.A1068@snark.ptc.spbu.ru> Mail-Followup-To: Doug Barton , "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" , Ian Chilton , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010511105928.A22838@woody.ichilton.co.uk> <3AFBEFE6.ED85C80C@lmc.ericsson.se> <3AFC0A97.2E570C0F@lmc.ericsson.se> <3AFD7844.F74F0B8F@DougBarton.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: <3AFD7844.F74F0B8F@DougBarton.net>; from "Doug Barton" on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 10:52:04 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 10:52:04 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > The way I try to remember it is that "2>&1" means, "Send STDERR to > wherever STDOUT was redirected to." If you think of it that way, > that bit has to come at the end because it doesn't make sense for it > to come first since STDOUT hasn't been redirected anywhere yet. It does make sense: $ foo 2>&1 > /dev/null will discard foo's output (stdout) and redirect foo's stderr to what used to be stdout descriptor. Useful to pipe stderr. SY, Uwe -- uwe@ptc.spbu.ru | Zu Grunde kommen http://www.ptc.spbu.ru/~uwe/ | Ist zu Grunde gehen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 11: 5: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from lists01.iafrica.com (lists01.iafrica.com [196.7.0.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB2E37B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 11:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheldonh@uunet.co.za) Received: from nwl.fw.uunet.co.za ([196.31.2.162]) by lists01.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #2) id 14ydlA-0006YS-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:04:56 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za (8.8.8/8.6.9) id UAA15454; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:04:50 +0200 (SAST) Received: by nwl.fw.uunet.co.za via recvmail id 15338; Sat May 12 20:03:54 2001 Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.fw.uunet.co.za) by axl.fw.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ydkA-000Nk3-00; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:03:54 +0200 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 12 May 2001 19:59:07 +0200." Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:03:54 +0200 Message-ID: <91266.989690634@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> From: Sheldon Hearn Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001 19:59:07 +0200, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= wrote: > 1) yes > 2) mod_perl compiles and installs fine, but Apache doesnt start because > mod_perl segfaults. It may take me a while to set up a similar environment to try this out. Although I'm the mod_perl FreeBSD port maintainer, I haven't noticed any problems in the development branch of FreeBSD. If anyone else comes up with something before I do, don't keep quiet. ;-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 11: 9:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83FDF37B43E; Sat, 12 May 2001 11:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4CI9jX90979; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:09:45 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:09:44 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Install problems, BOOT FAILURE after fresh installation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello. I have the follwoing problem: Server box with hardware as decribed below: ASUS A7V, AMD TBird 850 MHz, 512 MB RAM (2x 256 MB PC133 ECC), Intel EtherExpress NIC, LSI Logic 21040-33 Ultra 160 SCSI adapter and three IBM drives, as shown in the dmesg-output below. This configuration works very well and stable. Now we would like to change the harddrives and I got two IBM DDYS 18GB drives, new, fresh low level formatted. After booting from the last FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE ISO image CD I installed on the first hard drive two slices and set the first one bootable (Option A). All the others were installed the usual way and when sysinstall asks for how to leave the bootblock I tell it to install a "normal bootblock". So far. I can see how fast the installation proceeds and after rebooting I run into the problem that there is no bootblock. For the first time I tried to reduce the clock of the Ultra160 SCSI controller so it should work with 80,40 or 20 MB/s, but that did not work either. As you can see, the working configuration operates at 40 MB/s maximum, SE, not LVD. Has anyone any idea what's going wrong? If it should be asured that the hardware is faulty (as it seems the first view to me) I should check more sophisticated next time, but if there is a known problem in FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE in installing boot= blocks you should inform me. Thanks a lot for your help in advance. O. Hartmann Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #63: Wed May 2 16:13:51 CEST 2001 root@mail.physik.uni-mainz.de:/usr/system/obj/usr/vol1/src/sys/MAIL Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193153 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 857615836 Hz CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (857.62-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x642 Stepping = 2 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> real memory = 536788992 (524208K bytes) avail memory = 518852608 (506692K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0390000. ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib2 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at 4.1 pci0: at 4.2 irq 15 pci0: at 4.3 irq 15 fxp0: port 0xa400-0xa43f mem 0xe0800000-0xe08fffff,0xe1000000-0xe1000fff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:4c:2e:9c sym0: <1010-33> port 0xa000-0xa0ff mem 0xdf800000-0xdf801fff,0xe0000000-0xe00003ff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-80, SE, parity checking sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. sym1: <1010-33> port 0x9800-0x98ff mem 0xde800000-0xde801fff,0xdf000000-0xdf0003ff irq 10 at device 12.1 on pci0 sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-80, SE, parity checking sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. sym1: SCAN AT BOOT disabled for targets 0 1 2 3 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15. pci0: (vendor=0x105a, dev=0x0d30) at 17.0 irq 10 pcib1: on motherboard pci2: on pcib1 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 flags 0x8 on isa0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ppc1: at port 0x278-0x27f irq 5 flags 0x8 on isa0 ppc1: Generic chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode ppi1: on ppbus1 DUMMYNET initialized (010124) IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, unlimited logging IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16) cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present cd1 at sym1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device cd1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present da1 at sym0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit) da1: 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 527C) da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit) da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C) da2 at sym0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) link_elf: symbol splash_register undefined fxp0: promiscuous mode enabled --------------------------- -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 11:53:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F29C937B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 11:53:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mail-service@friedhof2000.de) Received: from [195.20.224.208] (helo=mrvdom01.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14yeW9-0001EQ-00 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:53:29 +0200 Received: from pd904dd79.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.4.221.121] helo=celeron) by mrvdom01.schlund.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14yeVM-0000Ab-02 for freebsd-stable@freebsd.org; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:52:40 +0200 From: Mail-Service To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Jetzt gewinnen, in über 100 Gewinnspielen! 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Für maximal 2,- DM pro Monat sind Sie dabei und haben jeden Monat Gewinnchancen auf viele tolle Preise im Gesamtwert von mehreren Millionen DM. http://www.Gewinn24.de/index.php3?partner=7294 *Bei Beschwerden bitte an alex-albert@01019freenet.de * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 11:58:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pilikia.net (pilikia.net [63.173.194.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0042C37B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 11:58:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Received: from gecko (gecko.local.pilikia.net [10.25.0.9]) by pilikia.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f4CIw4S33106; Sat, 12 May 2001 08:58:09 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from art@pilikia.net) Message-ID: <200105120858090320.11FBC04C@smtp> In-Reply-To: <20010511201707.B13410@tethys.valhalla.net> References: <200105111808.OAA95315@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> <20010511141711.I26835-100000@germanium.xtalwind.net> <20010511201707.B13410@tethys.valhalla.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.20.02.00 (3) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 08:58:09 -1000 Reply-To: art@pilikia.net From: "Arthur W. Neilson III" To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Cc: oetiker@ee.ethz.ch Subject: Re: sendmail traffic analysis Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks everyone for all your suggestions on the sendmail traffic analysis, the ideas regarding ucd-snmp's exec interface lead to me developing a small c program which adheres to the pass-through control specs http://net-snmp.sourceforge.net/man/snmpd.conf.html which allows me to specify the data type of the objects return value. I even got a response from tobias oetiker, the developer of mrtg who gave me the excellent suggestion of using postfix and rrdtool for the graphing! http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~dws/software/mailgraph/ I don't have time right now implement a mail system other than sendmail however will definitely have to explore this in the future as I've heard postfix is teriffic as is rrdtool. -- __ / ) _/_ It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. /--/ __ / Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, / (_/ (_<__ Instead of theories to suit facts. -- Sherlock Holmes, "A Scandal in Bohemia" Arthur W. Neilson III, WH7N - FISTS #7448 Bank of Hawaii Tech Support http://www.pilikia.net art@pilikia.net, aneilson@boh.com, wh7n@arrl.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 13:39:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from rapier.smartspace.co.za (rapier.smartspace.co.za [66.8.25.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2765837B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 13:39:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@rapier.smartspace.co.za) Received: (qmail 53096 invoked by uid 1001); 12 May 2001 20:38:28 -0000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:38:28 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Roelof Osinga Cc: "David W. Chapman Jr." , Rasputin , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? Message-ID: <20010512223827.G31698@rapier.smartspace.co.za> References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> <20010511094813.A20755@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AFC565D.AECE9C5F@eboa.com> <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> <3AFC9394.C68F491D@eboa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AFC9394.C68F491D@eboa.com>; from roelof@eboa.com on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:36:20AM +0200 Organization: Building Intelligence X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat 2001-05-12 (03:36), Roelof Osinga wrote: > Here're the saillant details. > > source/interbase/bin/gbak -c misc/metadata.gbak /usr/ports/databases/firebird/work/refDatabases/jrd/metadata.gdb > can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4operating system directive semget failed > can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4 No such file or directory > can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:33 -- message system code -4 > can't format message 12:169 -- message system code -4can't format message 12:83 -- message system code -4 > *** Error code 1 Just curious, do you have "options SYSVSEM" in your kernel? Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 14: 3:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from segfault.kiev.ua (segfault.kiev.ua [193.193.193.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD5C37B43F; Sat, 12 May 2001 14:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by segfault.kiev.ua (8) with UUCP id AAZ92395; Sun, 13 May 2001 00:02:32 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch@iv.nn.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by iv.nn.kiev.ua (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4CL0p478251; Sun, 13 May 2001 00:00:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from netch) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:00:51 +0300 From: Valentin Nechayev To: David Xu Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: kenel panic, vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted Message-ID: <20010513000051.A44618@iv.nn.kiev.ua> References: <002f01c0d840$5ed38180$3601a8c0@xyf> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002f01c0d840$5ed38180$3601a8c0@xyf>; from bsddiy@163.net on Wed, May 09, 2001 at 12:27:33PM +0800 X-42: On Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wed, May 09, 2001 at 12:27:33, bsddiy (David Xu) wrote about "kenel panic, vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted": > I am using FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE, my machine has 64 RAM. > I can use a fork bomb to crash kernel under some conditions, > fork bomb program is: > > #include > int main() > { > while(1) > { > if (fork() == 0) > break; > } > return 0; > } > > when kernel panic, it prints: vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources > exhausted, > then after some seconds, it reboots. On my home 4.3-RC4 with maxusers=64, system does not crash. But syslog output shows some interesting: === cut === May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proc: table ible is full May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proc: table is full May 12 23:52:55 iv last message repeated 42 times May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proble is full May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proc: table is full May 12 23:52:55 iv last message repeated 42 times May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proc: table ible is full May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proc: table is full May 12 23:52:55 iv last message repeated 42 times May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: pros full May 12 23:52:55 iv /kernel: proc: table is full === ... and so on... === There is one CPU in system, and possibly there is no place where such race condition can reside in kernel. Syslogd seems to me to be more probable place for such race (??) I saw the same race on -current where kernel structure is totally another. > I have found that if I use GENERIC kernel config, I can not trigger this > bug, > default maxusers value in GENERIC kernel config file is 32, this is fine, > if I change it to 128 and recompile/install kernel, I can use the fork bomb > to > crash kernel. it seems this problem is RAM size and maxusers parameter > related. what max value of maxusers should I use if my RAM is 64M? It should not crash with any reasonable maxusers value (i.e. >=1). But system design suppose average memory usage per one user, I think it is 2MB...4MB. Hence for 64M, maxusers=32 is normal. /netch To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 14:20:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFFA537B446 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 14:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14ygfO-0000nv-00; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:11:10 +1200 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:11:10 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Eriya Akasaka , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-Reply-To: <89456.989676346@axl.fw.uunet.co.za> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > I've had horrible luck with Perl threads, but I've never lookde into it > seriously. > > By the way, ports are generally supposed to survive an upgrade, as long > as you don't blow away old libraries. However, applications that link > against Perl should, in my opinion, always be rebuilt and linked against > the new Perl libraries after an upgrade. > > For example, I had similar nasties with nvi linked against Perl in an > upgrade from 4.2-STABLE to 5.0-CURRENT recently. > I tried building some of the ports Eriya mentioned (im and inn) on a 4.3-STABLE box with Perl threads enabled, and of course they work fine. Exim's the only port (well, I tried compiling Exim from source as well -- same result) that breaks. Not at all sure that this is because of Perl threads. -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 14:23:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.149]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874A437B423; Sat, 12 May 2001 14:23:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm88@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.114.151.37]) by femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010512212321.ROHI26718.femail24.sdc1.sfba.home.com@home.com>; Sat, 12 May 2001 14:23:21 -0700 Message-ID: <3AFDAA55.90BA01A1@home.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 17:25:41 -0400 From: cjm88@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Install problems, BOOT FAILURE after freshinstallation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I had the exact same problem with similar hardware. My problem arose it, seemed, because the drive I was using had been previously dangerously dedicated. After multiple failed installs I decided to see if I could create a DOS partition and format it with the /S option. That worked so I tried installing FreeBSD again and everything worked fine from that point on. Good Luck C "Hartmann, O." wrote: > Hello. > > I have the follwoing problem: > > Server box with hardware as decribed below: > > ASUS A7V, AMD TBird 850 MHz, 512 MB RAM (2x 256 MB PC133 ECC), > Intel EtherExpress NIC, LSI Logic 21040-33 Ultra 160 SCSI adapter > and three IBM drives, as shown in the dmesg-output below. This > configuration works very well and stable. > > Now we would like to change the harddrives and I got two IBM DDYS 18GB drives, > new, fresh low level formatted. > > After booting from the last FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE ISO image CD I installed > on the first hard drive two slices and set the first one bootable (Option A). > All the others were installed the usual way and when sysinstall asks for > how to leave the bootblock I tell it to install a "normal bootblock". So far. > I can see how fast the installation proceeds and after rebooting I run into > the problem that there is no bootblock. > > For the first time I tried to reduce the clock of the Ultra160 SCSI controller > so it should work with 80,40 or 20 MB/s, but that did not work either. As you can > see, the working configuration operates at 40 MB/s maximum, SE, not LVD. > > Has anyone any idea what's going wrong? If it should be asured that the hardware > is faulty (as it seems the first view to me) I should check more sophisticated > next time, but if there is a known problem in FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE in installing boot= > blocks you should inform me. > > Thanks a lot for your help in advance. > > O. Hartmann > > Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. > Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 > The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. > FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #63: Wed May 2 16:13:51 CEST 2001 > root@mail.physik.uni-mainz.de:/usr/system/obj/usr/vol1/src/sys/MAIL > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193153 Hz > Timecounter "TSC" frequency 857615836 Hz > CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor (857.62-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x642 Stepping = 2 > Features=0x183f9ff > AMD Features=0xc0440000<,AMIE,DSP,3DNow!> > real memory = 536788992 (524208K bytes) > avail memory = 518852608 (506692K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0390000. > ccd0-3: Concatenated disk drivers > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib2: at device 1.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib2 > pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 > isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > pci0: at 4.1 > pci0: at 4.2 irq 15 > pci0: at 4.3 irq 15 > fxp0: port 0xa400-0xa43f mem 0xe0800000-0xe08fffff,0xe1000000-0xe1000fff irq 10 at device 11.0 on pci0 > fxp0: Ethernet address 00:d0:b7:4c:2e:9c > sym0: <1010-33> port 0xa000-0xa0ff mem 0xdf800000-0xdf801fff,0xe0000000-0xe00003ff irq 11 at device 12.0 on pci0 > sym0: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-80, SE, parity checking > sym0: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM > sym0: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. > sym0: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. > sym1: <1010-33> port 0x9800-0x98ff mem 0xde800000-0xde801fff,0xdf000000-0xdf0003ff irq 10 at device 12.1 on pci0 > sym1: Symbios NVRAM, ID 7, Fast-80, SE, parity checking > sym1: open drain IRQ line driver, using on-chip SRAM > sym1: using LOAD/STORE-based firmware. > sym1: handling phase mismatch from SCRIPTS. > sym1: SCAN AT BOOT disabled for targets 0 1 2 3 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15. > pci0: (vendor=0x105a, dev=0x0d30) at 17.0 irq 10 > pcib1: on motherboard > pci2: on pcib1 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model IntelliMouse, device ID 3 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > sc0: on isa0 > sc0: VGA <8 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > sio1 at port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio1: type 16550A > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 flags 0x8 on isa0 > ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode > ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/8 bytes threshold > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > ppi0: on ppbus0 > ppc1: at port 0x278-0x27f irq 5 flags 0x8 on isa0 > ppc1: Generic chipset (ECP-only) in ECP mode > ppi1: on ppbus1 > DUMMYNET initialized (010124) > IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to deny, unlimited logging > IPsec: Initialized Security Association Processing. > Waiting 3 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > (noperiph:sym1:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a > cd0 at sym1 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 > cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd0: 20.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16) > cd0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > cd1 at sym1 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 > cd1: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-2 device > cd1: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) > cd1: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > da1 at sym0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit) > da1: 4134MB (8467200 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 527C) > da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit) > da0: 2063MB (4226725 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 263C) > da2 at sym0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 > da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da2: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled > da2: 8715MB (17850000 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1111C) > link_elf: symbol splash_register undefined > fxp0: promiscuous mode enabled > --------------------------- > > -- > MfG > O. Hartmann > > ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > 55099 Mainz > > Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) > Tel: +496131/3924144 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 14:27:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3006737B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 14:27:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14ygv0-0000rq-00; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:27:18 +1200 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:27:18 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= Cc: Sheldon Hearn , "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: RE: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Bj=F6rn L=F6nneker wrote: > > after rebuilding my SMP system (4-STABLE) with threaded perl mod_perl doe= snt > work. > > > Just to let you know... > > Bj=F6rn L=F6nneker Bjoern, Which 4-STABLE version? And what were the symptoms of the breakage...? --=20 Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 14:47:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E9F37B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 14:47:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14yhE4-0000sD-00; Sun, 13 May 2001 09:47:00 +1200 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 09:47:00 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 13 May 2001, Juha Saarinen wrote: > Not at all sure that this is because of Perl threads. ... but, if I wanted to make sure, is there a way to rebuild Perl (sans threading) without doing a full make buildworld? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 15: 4:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from nisser.com (c0039.upc-c.chello.nl [212.187.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4A837B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:04:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Received: from nisser.com (roelof [10.0.0.2]) by nisser.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA80143; Sun, 13 May 2001 00:03:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from roelof@nisser.com) Message-ID: <3AFDB344.285E02F8@nisser.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:03:48 +0200 From: Roelof Osinga Organization: eBOA - Programming the Web X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Roelof Osinga , "David W. Chapman Jr." , Rasputin , stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What gives? References: <3AF9F4E8.52A31C48@eboa.com> <20010510050737.A2285@xor.obsecurity.org> <3AFB3C14.A6FB45AA@eboa.com> <20010511094813.A20755@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <3AFC565D.AECE9C5F@eboa.com> <061901c0da66$8da39040$931576d8@inethouston.net> <3AFC9394.C68F491D@eboa.com> <20010512223827.G31698@rapier.smartspace.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > On Sat 2001-05-12 (03:36), Roelof Osinga wrote: > > Here're the saillant details. > > > > source/interbase/bin/gbak -c misc/metadata.gbak /usr/ports/databases/firebird/work/refDatabases/jrd/metadata.gdb > > can't format message 12:256 -- message system code -4operating system directive semget failed ... > > *** Error code 1 > > Just curious, do you have "options SYSVSEM" in your kernel? nl:/home/www/eboa/nisser/squirrelmail-1.0.3/src# grep SYSV /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/NISSER options SYSVSHM #SYSV-style shared memory options SYSVMSG #SYSV-style message queues options SYSVSEM #SYSV-style semaphores nl:/home/www/eboa/nisser/squirrelmail-1.0.3/src# Yeah, it should be able to use semaphores. But it can't. Mind you, I just CVSup'd that box to 4.3. So a new round with new chances for all. We'll see. I just need to remember to keep smiling ;). Roelof -- _______________________________________________________________________ eBOA® est. 1982 http://eBOA.com/ tel. +31-58-2123014 mailto:info@eBOA.com?subject=Information_request fax. +31-58-2160293 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 15:10:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210F537B424; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4D3eqM18176; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:40:52 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:40:52 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: cjm88@home.com Cc: "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Install problems, BOOT FAILURE after freshinstallation In-Reply-To: <3AFDAA55.90BA01A1@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001 cjm88@home.com wrote: > I had the exact same problem with similar hardware. My problem arose it, seemed, because the drive I was using had been previously > dangerously dedicated. After multiple failed installs I decided to see if I could create a DOS partition and format it with the /S option. > That worked so I tried installing FreeBSD again and everything worked fine from that point on. You probably neglected to write a standard boot manager to the disk. This can be done in systinstall, but has historically not always worked correctly. (You select Standard boot manager, but it installs None...) You can also always boot with a DOS diskette and use 'fdisk /mbr' to write a standard bot manager to the disk, or copy the first sector from a good disk to the offending one using something like (bs=512 should be default): 'dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/xxx bs=512 count=1' I've had to do this more than once before. Perhaps this was your problem. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 15:11: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from pt-quorum.com (pt-quorum.com [209.10.167.210]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A957D37B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com) Received: from p163-237.netc.pt ([213.30.47.163]) by pt-quorum.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04759 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 23:02:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 23:12:30 +0100 (WEST) From: Nuno Teixeira X-X-Sender: Reply-To: Nuno Teixeira To: Subject: load averages - the meaning Message-ID: <20010512230357.Y1738-100000@gateway.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello to all, I don't know if this is the right list to make my question. If it doesn't please forgive me. Well, the question is related to "load averages" that we see in "w", "top" and other system utilities. I have look at this programs man pages but I don't find the really meaning of it. In this momment I am doing a "make -j4 buildworld" in a X11 envirement (XFree86 / IceWM) on my Cyrix 200 and the load averages are about 4.88. What the limits of load averages and what the danger values and in what that this values are based. Thanks very much, - -- Nuno Teixeira Dir. Técnico pt-quorum.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iQA/AwUBOv21Vo8HcgpjoE/HEQKg0wCfYYTGnkEqRHWza6Gsl4WtEJfQ85kAoPNm uCw8wXq0sEQ1ZXfgOS/hrWKg =pmyF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 15:22:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from femail3.rdc1.on.home.com (femail3.rdc1.on.home.com [24.2.9.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2399537B424; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:22:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm88@home.com) Received: from home.com ([24.114.151.37]) by femail3.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010512222202.BSEW29522.femail3.rdc1.on.home.com@home.com>; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: <3AFDB83F.3DAFC615@home.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:25:03 -0400 From: cjm88@home.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Russell Cc: "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Install problems, BOOT FAILURE after freshinstallation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Interesting... I had the problem with both 4.2 and 4.3... I am absolutely certain that I set the partition to 'Active' during the install process and that I selected the 'Normal MBR' option when prompted for what to do. I tested with a drive that had not been 'dangerously dedicated' and everything worked fine... so... maybe the problem arises (or the bug is aggrevated) when doing an install on a device that had been previously 'dangerously dedicated'.... the other symptom that I noticed is that when I tried to install again after a failed install... the partition info was there but the partition that I had selected to be active was no longer marked active. Thanks for your thoughts C Doug Russell wrote: > On Sat, 12 May 2001 cjm88@home.com wrote: > > > I had the exact same problem with similar hardware. My problem arose it, seemed, because the drive I was using had been previously > > dangerously dedicated. After multiple failed installs I decided to see if I could create a DOS partition and format it with the /S option. > > That worked so I tried installing FreeBSD again and everything worked fine from that point on. > > You probably neglected to write a standard boot manager to the disk. This > can be done in systinstall, but has historically not always worked > correctly. (You select Standard boot manager, but it installs None...) > You can also always boot with a DOS diskette and use 'fdisk /mbr' to write > a standard bot manager to the disk, or copy the first sector from a good > disk to the offending one using something like (bs=512 should be default): > > 'dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/xxx bs=512 count=1' > > I've had to do this more than once before. Perhaps this was your problem. > > Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 15:28: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.saturn-tech.com (beastie.saturn-tech.com [207.229.19.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471E237B424; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:28:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) Received: from localhost (drussell@localhost) by beastie.saturn-tech.com (8.11.1/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4D3xUS18218; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:59:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from drussell@saturn-tech.com) X-Authentication-Warning: beastie.saturn-tech.com: drussell owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:59:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Doug Russell To: cjm88@home.com Cc: "Hartmann, O." , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE Install problems, BOOT FAILURE after freshinstallation In-Reply-To: <3AFDB83F.3DAFC615@home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001 cjm88@home.com wrote: > Interesting... I had the problem with both 4.2 and 4.3... I am absolutely certain that I set the partition to 'Active' during the install > process and that I selected the 'Normal MBR' option when prompted for what to do. I tested with a drive that had not been 'dangerously I thought it was write a [S]tandard boot manager, or [N]o boot manager... Not I want to go look, maybe my brain is wrong. :) > dedicated' and everything worked fine... so... maybe the problem arises (or the bug is aggrevated) when doing an install on a device that had > been previously 'dangerously dedicated'.... the other symptom that I noticed is that when I tried to install again after a failed install... the > partition info was there but the partition that I had selected to be active was no longer marked active. That's the trick. If it was dangerously dedicated before, it didn't have an MBR, the partition just starts at sector 0. This can also happen if you write zeros to a drive with 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/xxx bs=64k', etc. Later...... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 15:38:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mailc.telia.com (mailc.telia.com [194.22.190.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3765C37B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 15:38:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ertr1013@student.uu.se) Received: from d1o913.telia.com (d1o913.telia.com [195.252.44.241]) by mailc.telia.com (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4CMcDH16675 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 00:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ertr1013.student.uu.se (h185n2fls20o913.telia.com [212.181.163.185]) by d1o913.telia.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA17449 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 00:38:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 11131 invoked by uid 1001); 12 May 2001 22:38:13 -0000 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 00:38:13 +0200 From: Erik Trulsson To: Nuno Teixeira Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load averages - the meaning Message-ID: <20010513003813.A11072@student.uu.se> Mail-Followup-To: Nuno Teixeira , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org References: <20010512230357.Y1738-100000@gateway.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010512230357.Y1738-100000@gateway.bogus>; from nuno.mailinglists@pt-quorum.com on Sat, May 12, 2001 at 11:12:30PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 11:12:30PM +0100, Nuno Teixeira wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello to all, > > I don't know if this is the right list to make my question. If it doesn't > please forgive me. > > Well, the question is related to "load averages" that we see in "w", "top" > and other system utilities. I have look at this programs man pages but I > don't find the really meaning of it. > > In this momment I am doing a "make -j4 buildworld" in a X11 envirement > (XFree86 / IceWM) on my Cyrix 200 and the load averages are about 4.88. > > What the limits of load averages and what the danger values and in what > that this values are based. > > Thanks very much, > The "load" is the number of processes that want to run at any given time. Thus a load average of 0.0 means that no processes wanted to run while a load average of 3.2 means that on average 3.2 processes wanted to run. Thus the minimum is 0 and there is no max. Anything below 1.0 is good. (Since that means that all processes got all the CPU-time they wanted.) A load above, say, 3.0 over a long time means that you probably need a faster machine. (If you have multiple CPUs you can multiply all the numbers above with the number of CPUs.) No danger values but if the load becomes high the machine will probably start to feel sluggish. Basically the load average is a *rough* guide to how busy a machine is. Note that if you have a CPU-intensive program running in the background with a high nice-level it will not affect the perceived performance of the mahine much although it will increade the load by ~1.0 OTOH a I/O-intensive program will not contribute much to the load-average but can cause a noticable drop in the perceived performance. A load of 4.88 when doing a make -j4 is about what I would expect. Note that for 'make -jN' it is probably not useful to specify a value of N larger than 2 (or maybe 3) times the number of CPUs installed in your computer. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 16:11:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ramstind.gtf.ol.no (ramstind.gtf.ol.no [128.39.174.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0B5D37B424; Sat, 12 May 2001 16:11:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no) Received: from localhost (trond@localhost) by ramstind.gtf.ol.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA63047; Sun, 13 May 2001 01:10:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no) Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:10:43 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Trond_Endrest=F8l?= To: Valentin Nechayev Cc: David Xu , , Subject: Re: kenel panic, vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted In-Reply-To: <20010513000051.A44618@iv.nn.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 13 May 2001, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Wed, May 09, 2001 at 12:27:33, bsddiy (David Xu) wrote about "kenel panic, vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources exhausted": > > > I am using FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE, my machine has 64 RAM. > > I can use a fork bomb to crash kernel under some conditions, > > fork bomb program is: > > > > #include > > int main() > > { > > while(1) > > { > > if (fork() == 0) > > break; > > } > > return 0; > > } > > > > when kernel panic, it prints: vm_map_entry_create: kernel resources > > exhausted, > > then after some seconds, it reboots. > > [snip] Have you looked at /etc/login.conf? The stock values in this file were quite reasonable in 2.2.8, but in 3.x and onwards the values are set to unlimited for almost all parameters in the default class. I'm not an expert on this matter, and I don't know if changing the /etc/login.conf file will help, but I think the old values for the default class should be put back. PS! Don't forget to run cap_mkdb /etc/login.conf after editing. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Trond Endrestøl | trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no Patron of The Art of Computer Programming| FreeBSD 3.5-S & Pine 4.31 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 17:28:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from prism.flugsvamp.com (cb58709-a.mdsn1.wi.home.com [24.17.241.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B48737B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 17:28:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jlemon@flugsvamp.com) Received: (from jlemon@localhost) by prism.flugsvamp.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f4D0Sg884796 for stable@freeBSD.org; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:28:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jlemon) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:28:41 -0500 From: Jonathan Lemon To: stable@freeBSD.org Subject: HEADS UP - fxp now requires miibus Message-ID: <20010512192841.I617@prism.flugsvamp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've just merged the -current version of fxp into -stable; this driver has some additional PHY support. However, you will have to add "device miibus" to your kernel configuration, as this is required by the driver. I don't anticipate any problems, the driver has been tested in -current and -stable for a while. -- Jonathan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 17:43:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from unix-shells.com (handi5-212-144-200-145.arcor-ip.net [212.144.200.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5721F37B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 17:43:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) Received: (from root@localhost) by unix-shells.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f4D0h1f08293; Sun, 13 May 2001 02:43:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) Received: from mobile (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unix-shells.com (8.11.3/8.11.3av) with SMTP id f4D0go308284; Sun, 13 May 2001 02:42:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bjoern@loenneker.com) From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Bj=F6rn_L=F6nneker?= To: "Juha Saarinen" Cc: "Sheldon Hearn" , Subject: RE: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:42:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD unix-shells.com 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #0: Tue May 8 01:44:09 CEST 2001 root@unix-shells.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/UNIX-SHELLS i386 I cant give you the exact error message because Im now using mod_perl with unthreaded perl. Tschüß, Björn. -----Original Message----- From: Juha Saarinen [mailto:juha@saarinen.org] Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 11:27 PM To: Björn Lönneker Cc: Sheldon Hearn; freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? On Sat, 12 May 2001, [iso-8859-1] Björn Lönneker wrote: > > after rebuilding my SMP system (4-STABLE) with threaded perl mod_perl doesnt > work. > > > Just to let you know... > > Björn Lönneker Bjoern, Which 4-STABLE version? And what were the symptoms of the breakage...? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 18:22:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts7.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC09337B43F for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 18:22:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad@brad-x.com) Received: from TMA-1.brad-x.com ([64.228.82.10]) by tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20010513012219.DKPA16174.tomts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@TMA-1.brad-x.com> for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:22:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.brad-x.com [127.0.0.1]) by TMA-1.brad-x.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB89F7B0D4 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:22:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Laue To: Subject: VIA VT82C686A sounds terrible Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Question for those on the list who have this chipset, it seems that the newpcm driver is either over or underestimating its buffer when playing sound using the 82C686A onboard sound hardware. This is on 4.3-STABLE built march 28. Low overhead programs like mpg123 will skip occasionally, while programs like aviplay will lose synch between audio/video at an increasing rate, and on the extreme, XMMS is impossible to use. I haven't found much in terms of BIOS settings that will cure it, as they boil down to 'enable/disable'. Suggestions welcome on this. Please let me know if you're having a similar experience. Thanks! Brad To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 18:29: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org (saarinen.org [203.79.82.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD0637B424; Sat, 12 May 2001 18:29:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juha@saarinen.org) Received: from vimfuego.saarinen.org ([192.168.1.1]) by vimfuego.saarinen.org with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 (Red Hack)) id 14ykgn-00012u-00; Sun, 13 May 2001 13:28:54 +1200 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 13:28:53 +1200 (NZST) From: Juha Saarinen To: Eriya Akasaka Cc: "freebsd-stable@freebsd.org" , "sheldonh@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: Exim stops working in 4.3-STABLE because of Perl problems? In-Reply-To: <20010512.100010.783380329.eakasaka@rodfbs.org> Message-ID: X-S: Always MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001, Eriya Akasaka wrote: > Are you enable "PERL_THREADED= true" in /etc/make.conf ? > If so, try commented out(disable) PERL_THREADED= true > then make buildworld and make installworld. > After installworld, build ports/mail/exim. To follow up on this, I built/installed world without Perl threads, and now Exim starts up fine, even though the embedded Perl interpreter is enabled. So... the question is, why did it work in 4.2-STABLE, but breaks in 4.3-STABLE? -- Regards, Juha PGP fingerprint: B7E1 CC52 5FCA 9756 B502 10C8 4CD8 B066 12F3 9544 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 18:31:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA0A37B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 18:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) Received: from vpn38.ece.cmu.edu (ANNEX-1.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.1]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4D1TZH00240; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:29:32 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" To: Brad Laue , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: VIA VT82C686A sounds terrible Message-ID: <128750000.989717372@vpn38.ece.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Saturday, May 12, 2001 21:22:31 -0400, Brad Laue wrote: +----- | Question for those on the list who have this chipset, it seems that the | newpcm driver is either over or underestimating its buffer when playing | sound using the 82C686A onboard sound hardware. This is on 4.3-STABLE | built march 28. +--->8 Works for me... at least until the machine melts down in a hail of "microuptime() went backwards". -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 19:12: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from oscar.buszard-welcher.com (dsl081-242-156.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.242.156]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACEB37B423 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:12:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@buszard-welcher.com) Received: (from james@localhost) by oscar.buszard-welcher.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f4D2C7Q91022; Sat, 12 May 2001 19:12:07 -0700 (PDT) From: James Buszard-Welcher MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15101.59311.492334.757336@oscar.buszard-welcher.com> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 18:47:27 -0700 (PDT) To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 20:54:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from warez.scriptkiddie.org (uswest-dsl-142-38.cortland.com [209.162.142.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70C437B43E for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:54:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lamont@scriptkiddie.org) Received: from coredump.scriptkiddie.rog (coredump.scriptkiddie.org [192.168.69.2]) by warez.scriptkiddie.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2701A62D01; Sat, 12 May 2001 20:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Cc: Subject: Re: fat32 slower than dogshit? In-Reply-To: <20010512074346.B18681@irrelevant.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, 12 May 2001 simond@irrelevant.org wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 03:19:21PM -0700, Lamont Granquist wrote: > > Well, i think it is, i'm actually not too sure exactly how fast dogshit is > > in the first place. But in doing a simple untar on a fat32 partition > > using both 4-stable a couple days after release and a recently updated > > 4-stable as of yesterday (5/10) it goes about 20-30 times slower than an > > untar on a UFS partition. Now i know fat32 is supposed to be slower than > > UFS, but this seems a little bit rediculous. Does this sound like a known > > problem? If someone wants more information I can probably dig down and > > get it if I know what you want... > > I noticed that the msdos filesystem got very slow myself a while back, for > me turning the write cache (ata(4)) back on helped speed things back up > again, it's not the ideal solution, but it worked for me. Well, based on the recent discussions in this list about IDE write caches, I'm not real hot on this as a solution. Is there some way to profile kernel execution in the driver or in the VFS layer to get an idea of what the driver is doing wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 21:42:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from zoon.lafn.org (zoon.lafn.org [206.117.18.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB3837B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:42:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bc979@lafn.org) Received: from [10.0.1.100] (cs-lake1-p41.lafn.org [192.168.11.41] (may be forged)) by zoon.lafn.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f4D4fw530658; Sat, 12 May 2001 21:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bc979@mail.lafn.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20010512010816.A39710@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20010421230058.B00A73E09@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010512010816.A39710@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 21:37:15 -0700 To: Kris Kennaway From: Doug Hardie Subject: Re: libcrypto Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 1:08 -0700 5/12/01, Kris Kennaway wrote: >On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 08:59:02PM -0700, Doug Hardie wrote: >> I just finished updating 3 systems to FreeBSD 4.3-Release. The first >> was via cvsup from 4.2-Release. The second was an update >> installation from CD to a 3.5-Stable system, and the third was an >> update from CD to I don't remember what version. >> >> I use the first system as the source master. I build kernels etc for >> all on that machie and NFS mount to install on the others. That part >> seems to work fine. However, one of the ports fails to install when >> on some of the machines it can't find libcrypto.so.1. Looking at the >> crypto libs, the first machine only has libcrypto.so.1. The second >> machine only has libcrypto.so.2, and the third has both. There is no >> indication that the 2 .1 files are the same. They have different >> sizes. Same with the .2 files. > >You probably didn't update the crypto sources on the machine with the >.1 library. .2 is from 4.3-RELEASE, .1 is the old version (it's also >included in the compat42 distribution under 4.3 for binary >compatibilities with binaries built under the older release) > >Kris It appears that is the problem. Somehow I thought src-crypto was to be removed from the cvs file. Oh well, starting the rebuild all over again once cvsup finishes. Thanks. -- -- Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-stable Sat May 12 22:20:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6D337B424 for ; Sat, 12 May 2001 22:20:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.11.2/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f4D5KNl56153; Sun, 13 May 2001 01:20:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010512203209.03367fc8@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 01:20:21 -0400 To: Jonathan Lemon , stable@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: HEADS UP - fxp now requires miibus In-Reply-To: <20010512192841.I617@prism.flugsvamp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At 07:28 PM 5/12/2001 -0500, Jonathan Lemon wrote: >I don't anticipate any problems, the driver has been tested >in -current and -stable for a while. Any luck with the 815E issue ? fxp1: port 0xc400-0xc43f mem 0xd5101000-0xd5101fff irq 15 at device 8.0 on pci1 fxp1: Ethernet address 00:01:80:07:1e:f4 inphy1: on miibus1 inphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto it takes about 3 seconds only to get fxp1: SCB timeout fxp1: SCB timeout fxp1: device timeout when connected to a 10baseT switch (Compaq in this case) The other strange thing about this is that if I force it to 10baseT/UTP the problem is not quite as bad as when letting it detect it via autoselect. I still get the SCB timeouts, but the card seems to recover from them slightly faster. ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message