From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Sep 22 11:48:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C6437B401 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (milan.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.144]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1662D43E3B for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 11:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by milan.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C81A91F; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:48:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C9F971523A; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:48:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:48:19 +0200 From: Christian Brueffer To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: netbsd-advocacy@netbsd.org, advocacy@openbsd.org, sales@bsdmall.com, bsd-events@unix-ag.uni-kl.de Subject: Report: BSD at the Linux-Kongress 2002 Cologne, Germany Message-ID: <20020922184819.GA25745@unixpages.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG From 4th to 6th of September, the 9th International Linux-Kongress took place in Cologne, Germany. The Linux-Kongress is the developer congress for Linux in Europe. But what is a Linux event without a BSD booth? :-) In contrast to our booth at the Linuxtag in Karlsruhe, we actually had one or more computers running each, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. Among them, obscure hardware like a MicroVAX, PDP-11, Dreamcast and more common hardware like a PowerMac, SparcStation 10 and a PC. People were particulary interested in the more obscure stuff mentioned above ;-) Another interesting piece of hardware was the BSD booth webcam which delivered a 24 hour picture of the booth to the outside world. Other things we were showing included several books ("The Design and Implementation of the 4.4 BSD Operating System", "The FreeBSD Corporate Networkers Guide", "FreeBSD", "UNIX Network Programming" and "UNIX Internals: The New Frontiers"), several issues of Daemon News, BIM flyers and a printout version of Sebastian Benner's FreeBSD introduction (thanks to Dirk Meyer) which many people were very interested in. Stuff we were handing out for free or for a small change included FreeBSD 4.6 CDs and stickers (kindly donated by Daemon News Mall), NetBSD 1.5.2 all archs/no packages, NetBSD stickers (kindly donated by Wasabi Systems) and the usual OpenBSD merchandise Wim Vandeputte sent us (with more or less trouble, never trust a german package delivery service ;-). Interesting bits and pieces: - Moshe Bar told me that he's working on a FreeBSD version of his OpenMosix clustering software - German package delivery services suck - People like old hardware :-) - Daemon News Mall and Wasabi Systems donated CDs, Stickers and some other stuff, thanks! - No FreeBSD/NetBSD shirts/posters, the OpenBSD folks showed once again what merchandising can look like - Thanks to the Linux-Kongress organizers and the GUUG for letting us participate and for the nice food! - Next event will be the Linuxdays of Luxembourg Oct 1-3 2002 (http://www.linuxday.lu) All in all, the booth was another great opportunity to show what BSD is and that it's a real alternative. We are still looking for some people who want to participate in a BSD booth at the Linuxdays Luxembourg. So if you got some spare time and want to promote BSD, please contact Hubert Feyrer Pictures: - http://unixpages.org/pics/Linux-Kongress-2002/ The online-version of this report can be found at: - http://unixpages.org/events/linux-kongress-2002.html - Christian -- http://www.unixpages.org chris@unixpages.org GPG Pub-Key : www.unixpages.org/cbrueffer.asc GPG Fingerprint: 0DB5 8563 2473 C72A A8D1 56EA DAD2 B05D 5F3C 3185 GPG Key ID : DAD2B05D5F3C3185 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 14: 8:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2565E37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piwebs.com (t-indiv5-88.athome.tue.nl [131.155.241.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B013143E6A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:08:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avleeuwen@piwebs.com) Received: (qmail 32076 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 21:09:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amd760.piwebs.com) (192.168.0.114) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 21:09:02 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Arjan van Leeuwen Subject: Fwd: Opera press release Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:08:37 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200209232308.37443.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Now that the word is out (see the opera.linux newsgroup for a FreeBSD=20 'preview' version), I might as well tell -advocacy :). Arjan > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > > Subject: Press releases > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:56:00 +0200 > From: Arjan van Leeuwen > To: Michael Lucas > > We also need to do press releases when commercial software for FreeBSD = is > released. This way, people can see that there actually *is* software th= at > runs on FreeBSD, and that software companies are seeing the significanc= e of > FreeBSD. > > For example, I know that Opera Software will soon release a native Free= BSD > version of its Opera browser. We can make a nice PR out of this, with > quotes from Opera (I have some contacts at Opera, and I think they'd li= ke > to cooperate - more press for them too) and a small paragraph with > background info on FreeBSD. > > Just some ideas, > > Arjan > > ------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 14:18: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86BD537B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk (cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E7143E6A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:18:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com) Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailm2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17taaj-0000Hn-00 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:18:05 +0100 Received: from modem-1909.wolf.dialup.pol.co.uk ([81.76.135.117] helo=tiffany.bishopston.net) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17taae-0003LC-00 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:18:00 +0100 Received: from there (localhost.bishopston.net [127.0.0.1]) by tiffany.bishopston.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g8NLEp502510 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:15:35 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 22:15:35 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200209232115.g8NLEp502510@tiffany.bishopston.net> From: jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > For example, I know that Opera Software will soon release a native FreeBSD > version of its Opera browser. We can make a nice PR out of this, with That's great news, but typically, I've just gone and bought a license for the linux version (I only run FreeBSD) ! Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 14:25:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3672D37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:25:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piwebs.com (t-indiv5-88.athome.tue.nl [131.155.241.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A75643E6A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avleeuwen@piwebs.com) Received: (qmail 358 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2002 21:25:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amd760.piwebs.com) (192.168.0.114) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2002 21:25:32 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Arjan van Leeuwen To: jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:25:32 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200209232115.g8NLEp502510@tiffany.bishopston.net> In-Reply-To: <200209232115.g8NLEp502510@tiffany.bishopston.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). Arjan On Monday 23 September 2002 23:15, jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com wrote: > > > For example, I know that Opera Software will soon release a native > > > FreeBSD > > > > version of its Opera browser. We can make a nice PR out of this, with > > That's great news, but typically, I've just gone and bought a license f= or > the linux version (I only run FreeBSD) ! > > Jamie > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 14:27:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B013337B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDE043E77 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:27:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8NLRWEp080533; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:27:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8NLRWxr080532; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:27:32 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Arjan van Leeuwen Cc: jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20020923172732.B80468@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200209232115.g8NLEp502510@tiffany.bishopston.net> <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com>; from avleeuwen@piwebs.com on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Arjan, Woo hoo! Yes, this is newsworthy. I was on call last week, which meant that I got no sleep and that everything I was doing got put on hold. But we should do something about this! (Tonight, though, I have to hurry up and get the errata for my book to the publisher, so they can print more copies. Apparently the first printing of Absolute BSD is all accounted for, and they need more Right Now. :-) ==ml On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). > > Arjan > > On Monday 23 September 2002 23:15, jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com wrote: > > > > For example, I know that Opera Software will soon release a native > > > > FreeBSD > > > > > > version of its Opera browser. We can make a nice PR out of this, with > > > > That's great news, but typically, I've just gone and bought a license for > > the linux version (I only run FreeBSD) ! > > > > Jamie > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 14:45: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F14B37B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF9D543E6A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 14:45:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D1A3F4B; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:44:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Michael Lucas Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:46:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3D8F5368.19725.5D1E8248@localhost> In-reply-to: <20020923172732.B80468@blackhelicopters.org> References: <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com>; from avleeuwen@piwebs.com on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23 Sep 2002 at 17:27, Michael Lucas wrote: > (Tonight, though, I have to hurry up and get the errata for my book to > the publisher, so they can print more copies. Apparently the first > printing of Absolute BSD is all accounted for, and they need more > Right Now. :-) OH! They are printing MORE! Great! -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 15:18:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A544437B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from catflap.bishopston.net (mailhost1.bishopston.net [24.87.68.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC3B743E6A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@thompson.bishopston.net) X-Envelope-From: X-Envelope-To: Received: from thompson.bishopston.net (thompson.bishopston.net [IPv6:3ffe:b80:c3c:1::100]) by catflap.bishopston.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g8NMISOd081886 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:29 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@thompson.bishopston.net) Received: from thompson.bishopston.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by thompson.bishopston.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8NMIMj3071482 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@thompson.bishopston.net) Received: (from jamie@localhost) by thompson.bishopston.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8NMILer071481 for freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:21 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Jamie Jones To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 23:18:21 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). Ahhhh that's good news then! I understand the windows and linux license k= eys are different, so I assumed the FreeBSD one would be too. It just gets better and better! I remember in an advocacy thread a long time ago saying that I'd pay for a native FreeBSD version, but not a Linux version.. Well, I gave in.. The replies to my message asked me what a FreeBSD version would do that the Linux version doesn't. Also there was another long thread a while ago instigated by a "Brett" wh= o said that the Linux emulation layer effectively removes any need for a commercial company to release a FreeBSD specific version of a product.. Obviously, in this case, its (eventually) not true. In light of these 2 threads, I'd like to ask what the advantage of a Free= BSD version is (from a technical, not a PR point of view.. obvious its great = PR=20 news), and why Opera have decided to release a native FreeBSD version ? Anyone know, or have any ideas ? From my point of view, I feel its "clean= er" to run something native, that can hopefully take advantage of some of the FreeBSD features, but then, I sometimes can't escape these puritanical=20 thoughts whilst I'm stuck in my Ivory Tower :-) Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Sep 23 15:31:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DED137B401 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A68643E4A for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:31:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from henrik.motakef@web.de) Received: from dsl-213-023-026-208.arcor-ip.net ([213.23.26.208] helo=pokey.henrik-motakef.de.web.de) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.75 #2) id 17tbji-0008MB-00; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:31:26 +0200 To: Jamie Jones Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> From: Henrik Motakef Date: 24 Sep 2002 00:43:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> Message-ID: <87y99swcn0.fsf@pokey.henrik-motakef.de> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jamie Jones writes: > In light of these 2 threads, I'd like to ask what the advantage of a FreeBSD > version is (from a technical, not a PR point of view.. obvious its great PR > news), and why Opera have decided to release a native FreeBSD version ? I don't know about those threads, but here are my personal views as a mere FreeBSD user: 1) I finally don't have to keep all those linux libs around. Opera was the only program that required Linux compat that I used, except for building the native JDK. So, lots of free MB on my hard disk, and one thing less to keep in mind when configuring my kernel. 2) After a first test run, at least the startup time seems to be faster than with the Linux binary on FreeBSD, and even the Windows version on W2K. Obviously, I didn't try the Linux/Windows 6.1 versions yet, but that's just nice. So I'd say, lets give them some hits on their server so they'll notice that the FreeBSD version didn't go unnoticed... Regards Henrik To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 24 1:29:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CEA137B401 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piwebs.com (t-indiv5-88.athome.tue.nl [131.155.241.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C40843E65 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:29:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avleeuwen@piwebs.com) Received: (qmail 6027 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2002 08:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amd760.piwebs.com) (192.168.0.114) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Sep 2002 08:29:15 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Arjan van Leeuwen To: Jamie Jones Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 10:29:13 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> In-Reply-To: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200209241029.13139.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 24 September 2002 00:18, Jamie Jones wrote: > In light of these 2 threads, I'd like to ask what the advantage of a > FreeBSD version is (from a technical, not a PR point of view.. obvious = its > great PR news),=20 It 'feels' better, it seems a bit faster, although I'm not sure of that=20 (someone has to do some objective benchmarking), and Opera's browser=20 identification now reports to web sites I visit that I'm running FreeBSD=20 (instead of Linux), and that's a Good Thing. > and why Opera have decided to release a native FreeBSD > version ? Probably because they got all these emails asking for a native FreeBSD ve= rsion=20 :) (yes, I'm guilty). Arjan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Sep 24 13:59:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87DE37B404 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E2043E81 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8OKxEEp087357; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:59:14 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8OKxE7a087356; Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 16:59:14 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: Arjan van Leeuwen Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: In the Press Message-ID: <20020924165914.A87110@blackhelicopters.org> References: <20020913124852.A951@blackhelicopters.org> <200209191121.39421.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <20020919054053.A43834@blackhelicopters.org> <200209191316.35305.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200209191316.35305.avleeuwen@piwebs.com>; from avleeuwen@piwebs.com on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:16:35PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Submitted, thanks! BTW, there were some line-wrap issues with the patch. I would guess that you used the web interface to submit this? On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 01:16:35PM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > OK, thanks. Submitted www/42952. > > Arjan > > On Thursday 19 September 2002 11:40, Michael Lucas wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > > > I'm trying to do some work on the 'In the Press' page (although I think > > > we *should* concentrate on getting the press people to actually write > > > articles that then can appear on this page :)), but I'm a little confused > > > by this comment in press.xml: > > > > > > > > > > That's the committers' problem; all we do is cut-and-paste the article > > into a text file. > > > > ==ml > -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 25 18:15: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA3837B401; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418F143E42; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fwd04.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17uNEz-0006Eo-01; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:14:53 +0200 Received: from jhs.muc.de (520006753247-0001@[217.235.119.119]) by fmrl04.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17uNEt-0GvsjAC; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 03:14:47 +0200 Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by jhs.muc.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8Q0GuR35637; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:17:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@jhs.muc.de) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8Q0GQE25607; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:16:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200209260016.g8Q0GQE25607@flip.jhs.private> To: "Dan Langille" Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, "Nik Clayton" Subject: Re: Cheaper conferences Not in commercial hotels would help BSD. In-Reply-To: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:38:58 EDT." <3D8B3302.12274.4CFFF43D@localhost> Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 02:16:26 +0200 From: "Julian H. Stacey" X-Sender: 520006753247-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Dan Langille" wrote: > On 20 Sep 2002 at 17:24, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > _Cheap_ conferences _Not_ at hotels would help BSD promotion ! > > Un-necessarily expensive conferences impede participation & interest in BSD > . > > I look forward to details about your conference. You are planning > one aren't you? Hope to, dependent on sufficient like minded local activists :-) You'r in USA ? Planning to fly to Germany ? Or casual interest ? As I wrote: ] To open one's mouth, is of course to be invited to contribute to a ] solution :-) So if there's serious interest in a European BSD ] conference in Munich, I'd willing to investigate what the local ] universities could offer during holiday periods. Munich would be a good venue: Good building & rail/road/air infrastructure; Central West European location; A healthy local BSD group http://bim.bsn.com ; several Univesities; Popular city to visit in it's own right ; Cheap hotels/pensions round the rail station near the main computer street, (Best avoid an expensive `Official Conference Hotel', & instead designate cheapish Pizzerias/ Pubs/ Coffee Bars to meet in.) Where best to discuss plan & build further support ? - A local BSD friend has asked me to also post to the advocacy@NetBSD & Munich BSD lists, & I'll do that. - He will contact a German BSD list, - But what about assorted Free/ Net/ Open BSD people in assorted other European acceptable- travelling- distance countries ? - Is there a Euro-BSD mail list ? - Nik Clayton may have a mail list from the UK/ Brighton conference ? - The Amsterdam November 2002 http://www.eurobsdcon2002.org/ does not seem to have a mail list, but just offers IRC. - I dont see a mail list at EG http://www.eurobsd.org Should we create a European- BSD- Conferences@ mail list ? To be used through the years, not one- conference- use- specific To plan dates, announce & recruit speakers etc ? What do UK & Dutch conference & other future organisers think ? Should the list be housed under majordomo@ Free/Net/OpenBSD.org, or majordomo@ some- non- partisan- All- Not- Just- One- BSD site, (EG but not necessarily bim.bsn.com) ? Julian Stacey jhs@berklix.com Computer Sys. Eng. & Unix Consultant, Munich Ihr Rauchen = mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 25 20:48:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58D8437B401 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hardtime.linuxman.net (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2072143E88 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:48:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hardtime.linuxman.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8Q4g5d04785; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:42:08 -0500 Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 6DC151F04; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:47:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:47:56 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Arjan van Leeuwen Cc: Jamie Jones , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20020926034756.GC1684@over-yonder.net> References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> <200209241029.13139.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200209241029.13139.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:29:13AM +0200 I heard the voice of Arjan van Leeuwen, and lo! it spake thus: > On Tuesday 24 September 2002 00:18, Jamie Jones wrote: > > > In light of these 2 threads, I'd like to ask what the advantage of a > > FreeBSD version is (from a technical, not a PR point of view.. obvious its > > great PR news), > > It 'feels' better, it seems a bit faster, although I'm not sure of that > (someone has to do some objective benchmarking), and Opera's browser > identification now reports to web sites I visit that I'm running FreeBSD > (instead of Linux), and that's a Good Thing. I took care of that ages ago ;p (ttyp9):{28}% grep linux /etc/rc.local sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=FreeBSD sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=5.0-CURRENT Yes, I know it can screw some things up, but Opera's fine with it, and it makes those web logs looks Just Right :) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 25 20:54:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAD037B401 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from procyon.firepipe.net (procyon.firepipe.net [198.78.66.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E23543E4A for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from will@csociety.org) Received: by procyon.firepipe.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6A0623E06; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:53:45 -0700 From: Will Andrews To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20020926035345.GO69627@procyon.firepipe.net> Mail-Followup-To: "Matthew D. Fuller" , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> <200209241029.13139.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <20020926034756.GC1684@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020926034756.GC1684@over-yonder.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:47:56PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > (ttyp9):{28}% grep linux /etc/rc.local > sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=FreeBSD > sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=5.0-CURRENT > > Yes, I know it can screw some things up, but Opera's fine with it, and it > makes those web logs looks Just Right :) You know about sysctl.conf, I hope? regards, -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Sep 25 21:14:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CBAE37B401 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hardtime.linuxman.net (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0903843E75 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:14:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hardtime.linuxman.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8Q591d05318 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 00:09:01 -0500 Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 87B4F1F27; Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:14:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:14:50 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20020926041450.GD1684@over-yonder.net> References: <200209232318.21194.jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com> <200209241029.13139.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <20020926034756.GC1684@over-yonder.net> <20020926035345.GO69627@procyon.firepipe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020926035345.GO69627@procyon.firepipe.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 08:53:45PM -0700 I heard the voice of Will Andrews, and lo! it spake thus: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:47:56PM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > > (ttyp9):{28}% grep linux /etc/rc.local > > sysctl -w compat.linux.osname=FreeBSD > > sysctl -w compat.linux.osrelease=5.0-CURRENT > > > > Yes, I know it can screw some things up, but Opera's fine with it, and it > > makes those web logs looks Just Right :) > > You know about sysctl.conf, I hope? Yes, but for something this ugly that I want to get rid of as soon as possible, rc.local tends to be much more on my mind. Plus, I don't care enough to look into it's syntax. ;-p -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Sep 26 4:38:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A879037B401 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0369E43E42 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 04:38:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014FA3F4B; Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Julian H. Stacey" Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:36:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Cheaper conferences Not in commercial hotels would help BSD. Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3D92B900.5459.6A6683E4@localhost> In-reply-to: <200209260016.g8Q0GQE25607@flip.jhs.private> References: Message from "Dan Langille" of "Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:38:58 EDT." <3D8B3302.12274.4CFFF43D@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 26 Sep 2002 at 2:16, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > "Dan Langille" wrote: > > On 20 Sep 2002 at 17:24, Julian Stacey wrote: > > > > > _Cheap_ conferences _Not_ at hotels would help BSD promotion ! > > > Un-necessarily expensive conferences impede participation & > > > interest in BSD > > . > > > > I look forward to details about your conference. You are planning > > one aren't you? > > Hope to, dependent on sufficient like minded local activists :-) > You'r in USA ? Planning to fly to Germany ? Or casual interest ? I'm in Ottawa. 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Sincerely, Nancy Harlan UP Member nharlan@wi.rr.com ******************************************************************** GO TO THE OFFICIAL SITE: http://www.theultimateprogram.com/default.asp?up=2054 ANY QUESTIONS, ANYTIME! nharlan@wi.rr.com ******************************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 27 5:48:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A73537B401 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF4543E75 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 05:48:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: from blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g8RCmiEp006105 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:48:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g8RCmisA006104 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:48:44 -0400 From: Michael Lucas To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: getting other people to do the writing... Message-ID: <20020927084844.A6073@blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.itworld.com/nl/unix_insider/09172002/ You've all heard about intelligent advocacy. I'm going to blow my own horn here and say that this is one way to do it. (Yes, I've been quiet lately, sorry... Deployment Week turned into Deployment Fricking-Nightmare-From-Hell Month. Anyone have a FreeBSD job available? Nope, didn't think so...) ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons Absolute BSD: http://www.AbsoluteBSD.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Sep 27 14:23:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C05137B401 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:23:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop.freedomvoice.com (pop.freedomvoice.com [65.244.199.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07FF143E65 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremiah@freedomvoice.com) Received: (qmail 36395 invoked by uid 0); 27 Sep 2002 21:23:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cptnhosedonkey) (jeremiah@68.7.203.127) by pop.freedomvoice.com with SMTP; 27 Sep 2002 21:23:37 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c2666c$20fd0870$0200a8c0@cptnhosedonkey> From: "Jeremiah Gowdy" To: References: <20020927084844.A6073@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Good quote IMO Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:23:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,555451,00.asp The BSD philosophy also differs from that of Linux. Proponents of Linux tend to take a "revolutionary" stance, seeing their work as a war to compete with, and destroy, Microsoft and other commercial software vendors. But the BSDs are content to coexist with commercial software, and in fact are happy to allow commercial software to use what they create. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 28 4: 0:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D593937B401 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.freebsdmall.com (www.freebsdmall.com [66.220.2.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9138843E75 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:00:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from murray@freebsdmall.com) Received: by mail.freebsdmall.com (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 3A8A12E89C; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 04:00:58 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: Arjan van Leeuwen Cc: jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Message-ID: <20020928040057.J51984@freebsdmall.com> References: <200209232115.g8NLEp502510@tiffany.bishopston.net> <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com>; from avleeuwen@piwebs.com on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). Do we have any confirmation about this? Has anyone received a reply from Opera? I've signed up for their distributor program so that we may include the native Opera on disc #2 of the FreeBSD CDROM set. However, the distribute.opera.com website does not list the FreeBSD version yet, so I'll need some clarification from someone at Opera. - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 28 5: 3:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A7237B401 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from piwebs.com (t-indiv5-88.athome.tue.nl [131.155.241.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D62643E6A for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:03:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from avleeuwen@piwebs.com) Received: (qmail 6118 invoked from network); 28 Sep 2002 12:03:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO amd760.piwebs.com) (192.168.0.114) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Sep 2002 12:03:32 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Arjan van Leeuwen To: Murray Stokely Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:03:30 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: jamie@host-997.news.landeg.com, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <200209232115.g8NLEp502510@tiffany.bishopston.net> <200209232325.32430.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> <20020928040057.J51984@freebsdmall.com> In-Reply-To: <20020928040057.J51984@freebsdmall.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200209281403.30077.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG OK, I just asked - There will be a seperate license for the FreeBSD versi= on.=20 The current internal builds already use this seperate license. The final=20 FreeBSD version is not yet out officially - we're still talking beta vers= ions=20 here. I'll ask them about the distribution. Arjan On Saturday 28 September 2002 13:00, Murray Stokely wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). > > Do we have any confirmation about this? Has anyone received a reply > from Opera? I've signed up for their distributor program so that we > may include the native Opera on disc #2 of the FreeBSD CDROM set. > However, the distribute.opera.com website does not list the FreeBSD > version yet, so I'll need some clarification from someone at Opera. > > - Murray To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 28 5:13:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 283FD37B401 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:13:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F24F43E77 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 05:13:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B323F4B; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:13:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Arjan van Leeuwen Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 08:11:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Fwd: Opera press release Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3D956445.13369.74D38879@localhost> References: <20020928040057.J51984@freebsdmall.com> In-reply-to: <200209281403.30077.avleeuwen@piwebs.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If we have purchased a Linux license can it be used for the FreeBSD license? Can we trade it in and swap? On 28 Sep 2002 at 14:03, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > OK, I just asked - There will be a seperate license for the FreeBSD > version. The current internal builds already use this seperate > license. The final FreeBSD version is not yet out officially - we're > still talking beta versions here. I'll ask them about the > distribution. > > Arjan > > On Saturday 28 September 2002 13:00, Murray Stokely wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 11:25:32PM +0200, Arjan van Leeuwen wrote: > > > I believe you can use the license for the FreeBSD version too :). > > > > Do we have any confirmation about this? Has anyone received a > > reply > > from Opera? I've signed up for their distributor program so that we > > may include the native Opera on disc #2 of the FreeBSD CDROM set. > > However, the distribute.opera.com website does not list the FreeBSD > > version yet, so I'll need some clarification from someone at Opera. > > > > - Murray > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Sep 28 11:40:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1681C37B401 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEA4643E7B for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0148.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.148] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17vMWN-0001kI-00 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:40:56 -0700 Message-ID: <3D95F46B.DCFA4261@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:26:51 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Nice to have Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It would be nice to have a PDF template for a CD case liner image that was representative of FreeBSD. Normally, Acrobat will allow you to fill in fields in a template; this could be used for version name information (e.g. "FreeBSD DP2", etc.). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message