From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 10:14:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0B837B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3170643E0A for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:14:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UHEhrS036013 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:14:48 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g5UHEhbN036012 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:14:43 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are about as fast as 486s running current: how about removing TC support from -current and from -current only? -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 12:21:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E5C37B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CFD43E09 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:21:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01014; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g5UJL8520289; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:21:08 -0400 (EDT) To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte writes: > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > about as fast as 486s running current: Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H people run -current on them ;) > how about removing TC support from -current and from -current only? Speed issues aside, I'd be in favor of axing the TC support, as its essentially dead code. We've waited something like three years for a TC owner to step up and port the esp SCSI driver to CAM... Is anybody out there running a TC diskless? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 12:28:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C8B37B400; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393F543E0A; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:28:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01107; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g5UJRaU20300; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:27:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15647.23464.742291.557283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:27:36 -0400 (EDT) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, mp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gdb breaks world In-Reply-To: <20020629214620.A56685@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <15646.25960.889781.783159@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629193514.A51177@dragon.nuxi.com> <15646.28621.258621.69134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629214620.A56685@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Sat, Jun 29, 2002 at 10:41:17PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > I just found out that the new gdb import breaks world on alpha: > > > > main.o(.data+0x630): undefined reference to `kernel_writablecore' > > Ok, I just committed a "fix". Things compile, but kgdb probably isn't > usable. Thanks! What was the rationale for how the x86 kvm-fbsd.c was brought forward and the alpha kvm-fbsd.c was left behind? Was it intended that other platforms add support via #ifdef's to kvm-fbsd.c, or was it just an oversight and I should just bring the existing alpha kvm-fbsd.c forward? Thanks, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 12:37:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 865CD37B400; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097F743E09; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:37:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UJbgtL071616; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g5UJbgOe071615; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:37:42 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, mp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gdb breaks world Message-ID: <20020630123742.C71518@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, mp@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15646.25960.889781.783159@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629193514.A51177@dragon.nuxi.com> <15646.28621.258621.69134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629214620.A56685@dragon.nuxi.com> <15647.23464.742291.557283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15647.23464.742291.557283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:27:36PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:27:36PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > What was the rationale for how the x86 kvm-fbsd.c was brought forward > and the alpha kvm-fbsd.c was left behind? I begged people to try the gdb52 port, but it turns out that there wasn't Alpha kgdb support -- only i386 support. At the point I realized everything we needed wasn't part of the gdb52 port was already 1/2 into the import. > Was it intended that other platforms add support via #ifdef's to > kvm-fbsd.c, or was it just an oversight and I should just bring the > existing alpha kvm-fbsd.c forward? IMO we keep doing things too differently between our arches. I would like to see us try to do the same thing as much as possible. I thought maybe we could share a single kvm-fbsd.c file; but after looking at it when I made that commit I guess not. BUT I do think we can share some things across all arches (maybe we add a few #defines to arch headers to help). So I expect there will need to be a kvm-fbsd-{ARCH}.c file added with just a _few_ things in it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 12:46: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB51637B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41B443E0A for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:45:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5UJjDtL071811; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g5UJjDl9071810; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:45:13 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020630124513.C71627@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:14:43PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:14:43PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > about as fast as 486s running current: > > how about removing TC support from -current and from -current only? I've got that commit ready to go... but maybe I should let Drew's reponce to this time out first. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 12:52:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BB537B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E42843E09 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:52:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5UJqQMa024522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:52:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5UJqPFJ025836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:52:26 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g5UJqPm6025835; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:52:25 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:52:25 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:21:08PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > > about as fast as 486s running current: > > Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H > people run -current on them ;) Realy? - I asked for Multia owners a while back and got no answer. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 12:53:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F9337B400; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EA643E26; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:53:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA01592; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g5UJqrB20362; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15647.24981.880431.704585@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:52:53 -0400 (EDT) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, mp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gdb breaks world In-Reply-To: <20020630123742.C71518@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <15646.25960.889781.783159@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629193514.A51177@dragon.nuxi.com> <15646.28621.258621.69134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629214620.A56685@dragon.nuxi.com> <15647.23464.742291.557283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630123742.C71518@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:27:36PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > What was the rationale for how the x86 kvm-fbsd.c was brought forward > > and the alpha kvm-fbsd.c was left behind? > > I begged people to try the gdb52 port, but it turns out that there wasn't > Alpha kgdb support -- only i386 support. At the point I realized Partially my fault. I was at my office in LA for the last 3 weeks and my -current alpha back in OH was powered off, so I had no way to test the port. I should have at least looked at it, though. > everything we needed wasn't part of the gdb52 port was already 1/2 into > the import. > > > Was it intended that other platforms add support via #ifdef's to > > kvm-fbsd.c, or was it just an oversight and I should just bring the > > existing alpha kvm-fbsd.c forward? > > IMO we keep doing things too differently between our arches. I would > like to see us try to do the same thing as much as possible. I thought > maybe we could share a single kvm-fbsd.c file; but after looking at it > when I made that commit I guess not. BUT I do think we can share some > things across all arches (maybe we add a few #defines to arch headers to > help). So I expect there will need to be a kvm-fbsd-{ARCH}.c file added > with just a _few_ things in it. I agree. Most of the code is duplicated, but done in slightly different ways since we (I?) derived the kvm-fbsd.c file from existing NetBSD/alpha support. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 13:18:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D2137B401 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C538243E1A for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:18:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mp@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 93032 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2002 20:18:11 -0000 Received: from 12-236-91-101.client.attbi.com (HELO ?10.1.10.118?) (12.236.91.101) by relay1.pair.com with SMTP; 30 Jun 2002 20:18:11 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 12.236.91.101 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <15647.24981.880431.704585@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <15646.25960.889781.783159@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629193514.A51177@dragon.nuxi.com> <15646.28621.258621.69134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629214620.A56685@dragon.nuxi.com> <15647.23464.742291.557283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630123742.C71518@dragon.nuxi.com> <15647.24981.880431.704585@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:18:09 -0700 To: Andrew Gallatin , obrien@FreeBSD.ORG From: Mark Peek Subject: Re: gdb breaks world Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 3:52 PM -0400 6/30/02, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >David O'Brien writes: > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:27:36PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > What was the rationale for how the x86 kvm-fbsd.c was brought forward > > > and the alpha kvm-fbsd.c was left behind? > > > > I begged people to try the gdb52 port, but it turns out that there wasn't > > Alpha kgdb support -- only i386 support. At the point I realized > >Partially my fault. I was at my office in LA for the last 3 weeks and >my -current alpha back in OH was powered off, so I had no way to test >the port. I should have at least looked at it, though. Sorry, you can't take the blame...it's my fault! :-) Seriously, I knew that alpha support was missing due to a variety of reasons (lack of hardware, beast being down, needing a kernel/kcore to work on the gdb -k sypport). I did however state what was in the port and alpha kernel support wasn't specified. > > IMO we keep doing things too differently between our arches. I would > > like to see us try to do the same thing as much as possible. I thought > > maybe we could share a single kvm-fbsd.c file; but after looking at it > > when I made that commit I guess not. BUT I do think we can share some > > things across all arches (maybe we add a few #defines to arch headers to > > help). So I expect there will need to be a kvm-fbsd-{ARCH}.c file added > > with just a _few_ things in it. > >I agree. Most of the code is duplicated, but done in slightly >different ways since we (I?) derived the kvm-fbsd.c file from existing >NetBSD/alpha support. I agree with David also. I believe we should unify the kernel support as much as possible. This will be more important as other architectures (sparc64, ia64, ppc) need kernel debugging and the smaller the diffs, the easier the port. I might have some time later to take a look into this and cobble something together. I'll let you know. Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 13:26: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F6E37B401 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7764E43E13 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA02144; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g5UKPNq20407; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15647.26931.324407.37402@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter writes: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:21:08PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > > > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > > > about as fast as 486s running current: > > > > Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H > > people run -current on them ;) > > Realy? - I asked for Multia owners a while back and got no answer. > I group nonames & multias together in my head. I thought you had one of those...? Anyway, the good TC alphas (basically anything but a 3000/300) slighly outperform AS200s with slightly higher clock speeds, so I imagine that they run circles around 21066 machines). But since there is no interest from users to support TC alphas, I agree with axing them. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 14:29:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DCB37B405 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:29:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail48.fg.online.no (mail48-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5232343E13 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:29:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cobb139@online.no) Received: from epostleser.online.no (epostleser14.frisurf.no [148.122.3.22]) by mail48.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA17275 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:29:21 +0200 (MET DST) X-WebMail-UserID: cobb139@online.no Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 23:29:21 +0200 From: cobb139 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000140 Subject: Problems with the alpha distribution Message-ID: <3D1FFF6A@epostleser.online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Some days ago I brushed the dust of the Alphastation 200 standing in the basement running slackware 8 alpha. Since slackware was quite unstable I thought of switching to freebsd, and I did (4.6-RELEASE). This is a whole new world to me, quite nicer than the linux systems I've tried. I actually learn a whole lot :-). I've encountered some things I haven't found answers for yet, and I wonder if you've got any suggestions: 1.> I made a new kernel with netsmb and netsmbcrypto (+ libmchain and libiconv which are required for smb). When I installed FreeBSD I chose custom install and installed the User distribution (binaries and docs(nice)). My problem is that mount_smbfs hasn't been installed, and I "really" need those MP3s on a windows computer on my local network. Do you know where mount_smbfs resides on my CD-ROM (I tried to compile the source, but the Makefile complained I didn't have a 32-bit Intel processor)? 2.> My soundcard seems to work nice, but when I'm playing an MP3 with mpg123 it pauses perhaps 30 seconds with occasional noise (sounds like an LP-player which has reached the end of the LP :-)). My soundcard is based on a CS4231A chip (built-in alphastation card). I inserted the port, irq and io parameters into my kernel configuration file after looking in INSTALL.TXT(?) on disc 1. 3.> When adding new users they are added with a DES hash in /etc/master.passwd, but I really want MD5 or Blowfish. Root was added with MD5 though. /etc/auth.conf has crypt_default = md5 des and I added blf. Now, /etc/login.conf's got md5 as default, but still new users are added with DES. Hrmf. So I changed crypt_default in /etc/auth.conf to md5, and new users were added with a md5 hash (and of course I cap_mkdb'd /etc/auth.conf), wohoo! It worked, but now users with DES hashes couldn't log in :-(. I spoke to someone on IRC and he said crypt_default = md5 allowed both md5 and des users to log in. 4.> dhclient de0 managed to crash my system. Disks could not be synced, wham! I'll try to get some more details later. Sorry for the hassle, but perhaps some of these could be bugs? (*hides in a dark corner*) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 14:59: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68CBA37B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFC043E09 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:59:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0231.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.231] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17OmiZ-0004o5-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:58:55 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1F7EDA.5A06A469@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:57:46 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > > Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H > > people run -current on them ;) > > Realy? - I asked for Multia owners a while back and got no answer. You asked for multia owners running -current. As a general rule, I only run -release on my machines I need to be able to reliably boot. Yes, I have a multia. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 15:14:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036E437B405 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA5943E09 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g5UMEOMa025781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:14:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g5UMEMFJ033551 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:14:22 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g5UMEMsm033550; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:14:22 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 00:14:21 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Terry Lambert Cc: ticso@cicely.de, Andrew Gallatin , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020630221421.GK70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D1F7EDA.5A06A469@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1F7EDA.5A06A469@mindspring.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 02:57:46PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Bernd Walter wrote: > > > Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H > > > people run -current on them ;) > > > > Realy? - I asked for Multia owners a while back and got no answer. > > You asked for multia owners running -current. Not special for -current. I had a powermanagement patch for 21066A CPUs. It's still available under http://www.cosmo-project.de/~bernd/lca_cpu_idle.diff > As a general rule, I only run -release on my machines I need to be > able to reliably boot. > > Yes, I have a multia. Does it have an 21066A CPU? My NoName has a plain 21066 for which the powermanagement is just a nop. If yes I would be happy to create a -stable patch for you to test. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 16:47:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8130837B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:47:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2427243E09 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:47:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0127.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.127] helo=mindspring.com) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17OoPX-0000gd-00; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:47:20 -0700 Message-ID: <3D1F985F.BC6C5833@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:46:39 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D1F7EDA.5A06A469@mindspring.com> <20020630221421.GK70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > > You asked for multia owners running -current. > > Not special for -current. > I had a powermanagement patch for 21066A CPUs. > It's still available under > http://www.cosmo-project.de/~bernd/lca_cpu_idle.diff > > > As a general rule, I only run -release on my machines I need to be > > able to reliably boot. > > > > Yes, I have a multia. > > Does it have an 21066A CPU? > My NoName has a plain 21066 for which the powermanagement is just > a nop. > If yes I would be happy to create a -stable patch for you to test. It's only a 21066. Where can you get an "A"? What does it cost? I might be willing to grab one and test for you anyway, if they are cheap. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 17:57:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919F037B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741F943E13 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g610vdMa027112 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:57:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g610vbFJ038687 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:57:38 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g610vaHn038686; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:57:36 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:57:36 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Terry Lambert Cc: ticso@cicely.de, Andrew Gallatin , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020701005735.GN70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D1F7EDA.5A06A469@mindspring.com> <20020630221421.GK70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D1F985F.BC6C5833@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D1F985F.BC6C5833@mindspring.com> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 04:46:39PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Bernd Walter wrote: > > > You asked for multia owners running -current. > > > > Not special for -current. > > I had a powermanagement patch for 21066A CPUs. > > It's still available under > > http://www.cosmo-project.de/~bernd/lca_cpu_idle.diff > > > > > As a general rule, I only run -release on my machines I need to be > > > able to reliably boot. > > > > > > Yes, I have a multia. > > > > Does it have an 21066A CPU? > > My NoName has a plain 21066 for which the powermanagement is just > > a nop. > > If yes I would be happy to create a -stable patch for you to test. > > It's only a 21066. Where can you get an "A"? What does it cost? Are you shure - FreeBSD says 21066 in every case. You have to take care on the minor family number: CPU: LCA Family major=4 minor=2 Mine qualifies as minor=2 - which is an 21066 Pass 2 An 21066A should say minor=5 here. I don't know where to get one - otherwise I would already have replaced mine :) Especialy as I have a second NoName board with a broken CPU. > I might be willing to grab one and test for you anyway, if they > are cheap. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 18:18:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613C037B400; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27C543E1A; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.4/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g611ITtL075839; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.4/Submit) id g611ITEr075838; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:18:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Mark Peek Cc: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: gdb breaks world Message-ID: <20020630181828.A75769@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Mark Peek , Andrew Gallatin , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <15646.25960.889781.783159@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629193514.A51177@dragon.nuxi.com> <15646.28621.258621.69134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020629214620.A56685@dragon.nuxi.com> <15647.23464.742291.557283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630123742.C71518@dragon.nuxi.com> <15647.24981.880431.704585@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from mp@FreeBSD.org on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:18:09PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 01:18:09PM -0700, Mark Peek wrote: > Sorry, you can't take the blame...it's my fault! :-) Seriously, I > knew that alpha support was missing due to a variety of reasons (lack > of hardware, beast being down, needing a kernel/kcore to work on the > gdb -k sypport). I did however state what was in the port and alpha > kernel support wasn't specified. Ah, not such a big deal either way... gdb has been messed up on Alpha for a while, and the new one does work well for userland. We may not be progressing as fast as we'd like. But still doing pretty good or a volenteer effort. It is good to be upgrading, and even if there is some pain, 5.0-RELEAES will be nice. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 20:12:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5C037B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:12:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 999BE43E2F for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-4-80.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.80]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F3155002F; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:12:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0F43B3356; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04924C53; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:12:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:12:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Terry Lambert Cc: Wilko Bulte , Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <3D1F7EDA.5A06A469@mindspring.com> Message-ID: X-Tech-Support-Email: bofh@catonic.net Organization: Non Illegitemus Carborundum Inc. X-Disclaimer: My opinions are not those of my employer(s). X-Driving-The-Information-Superhighway-Joke: Asleep at the wheel. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 30 Jun 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > As a general rule, I only run -release on my machines I need to be > able to reliably boot. > > Yes, I have a multia. I have two. Do we have a working console driver for the box yet, or should I hook them up to the terminal server instead of the KVM? One is running 4.something and rebooted itself when it tried to buildworld (/usr/src and /usr/obj mounted over NFS). Do we have cross-building working? ix86 -> alpha? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | IM: KrisBSD | HSV, AL. ------------------------------------------------------- "Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 21:47:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7649537B400 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta03.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.83]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C4043E0A for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.67.234]) by mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20020701044713.LZCQ12213.mta03.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au> for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:47:13 +1000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020701144647.01bbfaa0@pop.ozemail.com.au> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au X-Mailer: I wish it was Linux Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:49:17 +1000 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Rob B Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 05:52 1/07/2002, Bernd Walter sent this up the stick: >On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:21:08PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > > > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > > > about as fast as 486s running current: > > > > Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H > > people run -current on them ;) > >Realy? - I asked for Multia owners a while back and got no answer. Well, I spose you could count me in, except that the Multia is offline at the moment - and I will be running 4-STABLE on it when I get it going again. Cheers, Rob -- Anybody can win, unless there happens to be a second entry. [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian This is random quote 210 of a collection of 1253 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Jun 30 22:25:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D443037B401 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9048A43E09 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:25:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bernd_muc@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 16517 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2002 05:25:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hermes.gmx.de) (62.8.238.222) by mail.gmx.net (mp005-rz3) with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 05:25:06 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020701070931.00af6978@pop.gmx.net> X-Sender: 9180731@pop.gmx.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 07:24:57 +0200 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: bernd_muc@gmx.de Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <20020630195224.GG70344@cicely5.cicely.de> References: <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <15647.23076.260503.7357@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 21:52 30.06.2002 +0200, Bernd Walter wrote: >On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 03:21:08PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Wilko Bulte writes: > > > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > > > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > > > about as fast as 486s running current: > > > > Well, they're a good deal faster than multias, and some masoc^H^H^H^H > > people run -current on them ;) > >Realy? - I asked for Multia owners a while back and got no answer. Well - I'm one of those masochists - actually it's not that bad ;-) As it's a Multia I don't have much use for TC anyway - but getting the PCMCIA stuff to work would help *a lot*!!! So far, the little box recognizes that card is inserted, however it cannot recognize the card - obviously because it cannot read the card's EEPROM (see my earlier posting). Has anyone some additional (device) hints so that FreeBSD knows where to look for the information it needs? Bernd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 2:46:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F4AA37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E4ED43E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:46:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17Oxl5-0001j4-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:46:11 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 4A978126 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 2871C61 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:46:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:44:53 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: PWS 500a SCSI Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, today I got my PWS 500a from the US (after 7 weeks waiting). Hooraay!!! The first Alpha in my life! (Of course), I entcountered some problems of which most were solved by upgrading to 7.2 firmware. The machine came with Adaptec AHA-2940UW Scsi controller. I wonder if it is broken since "show device" doesn't report it at all. And when I boot the 4.6 CD the installer says no disk found. I now removed the drive and controller and plugged in 2x1GB IDE disks I had lying around and everything went fine - I can boot FreeBSD off the IDE disk. Can somone point me to a solution for the Scsi problem? Many thanks in advance, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 2:59:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71F9337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (mxzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08D143E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 02:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.80]) by mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g619xpVw053539; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:59:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g619xpG47182; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:59:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:59:51 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems Message-ID: <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p3 X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 11:44:53AM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > Hi all, > > today I got my PWS 500a from the US (after 7 weeks waiting). Hooraay!!! > The first Alpha in my life! > (Of course), I entcountered some problems of which most were solved by > upgrading to 7.2 firmware. > The machine came with Adaptec AHA-2940UW Scsi controller. I wonder if it > is broken since "show device" doesn't report it at all. And when I boot The SRM console does not support an Adaptec. That is why. See the FreeBSD hardware docs. IIRC to be found in the root dir of the install CD Wilko To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 3: 4:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77AF37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A04443E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:04:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17Oy2W-0008KC-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:04:12 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 181A1126; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id EFEBB61; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 12:02:54 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte schrieb: >The SRM console does not support an Adaptec. That is why. > >See the FreeBSD hardware docs. IIRC to be found in the root dir of the >install CD > >Wilko > > Thanks for the response. I was reading that. But does that mean I can't make it work at all? If I boot the system off the IDE drive would FreeBSD find the controller then, regardless of the SRM? Thanks a lot, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 3:49: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C9F37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (mxzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41B243E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 03:49:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@xs4all.nl) Received: from xs1.xs4all.nl (xs1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.80]) by mxzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g61An2nN082631; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:49:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by xs1.xs4all.nl (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g61An2K58363; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:49:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:49:02 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems Message-ID: <20020701104902.GA58262@xs4all.nl> References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE-p3 X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 12:02:54PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > Wilko Bulte schrieb: > > >The SRM console does not support an Adaptec. That is why. > > > >See the FreeBSD hardware docs. IIRC to be found in the root dir of the > >install CD > > > >Wilko > > > > > > Thanks for the response. I was reading that. But does that mean I can't > make it work at all? If I boot the system off the IDE drive would > FreeBSD find the controller then, regardless of the SRM? You just can't boot from it, for the rest they work OK. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 4:32: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4FC37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B3243E1A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:32:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17OzPW-0006xf-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:32:02 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 4ED87126 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:32:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id EB10661 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:31:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D203D64.3040400@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 13:30:44 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: make world with compaq compiler References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> <3D203A5C.9080102@code-fu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've been seaching the internet on this topic even before I bought my PWS, but couldn't find any detailed information. Is it possible to "make buildworld" using the compaq-cc? If so, how? What needs to be configured? Thanks in advance, Jan Lentfer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 4:46:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B184637B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F0943E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:46:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 17OzdP-0007Wy-00; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:46:23 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g61AdtoU005780 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:39:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g61Adt8g005779 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 12:39:55 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:39:54 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > If I boot the system off the IDE drive would FreeBSD find the > controller then, regardless of the SRM? Yes, of course. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 5:33:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D676037B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C9143E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:33:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17791; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g61CXN621746; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:33:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15648.19475.409856.797672@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:33:23 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world with compaq compiler In-Reply-To: <3D203D64.3040400@web.de> References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> <3D203A5C.9080102@code-fu.com> <3D203D64.3040400@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > I've been seaching the internet on this topic even before I bought my > PWS, but couldn't find any detailed information. Is it possible to "make > buildworld" using the compaq-cc? If so, how? What needs to be configured? No. The last I checked, our code was still to closely tied to gcc. There was work going on in -current to support building with icc (intel's c compiler for linux). This should also help people attempting to build with ccc. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 5:38:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F3337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:38:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A82B43E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:38:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P0RA-0004ao-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:37:48 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id CDD5C126; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:37:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id AE30B61; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:37:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D204CCA.1080407@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:36:26 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world with compaq compiler References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> <3D203A5C.9080102@code-fu.com> <3D203D64.3040400@web.de> <15648.19475.409856.797672@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin schrieb: >No. > >The last I checked, our code was still to closely tied to gcc. There >was work going on in -current to support building with icc (intel's c >compiler for linux). This should also help people attempting to build >with ccc. > > What about ports? I want to use EMBOSS, a molecular biology suite, that has some FP intensive programs. Any chance I can compile certain ports by just doing "export CC=ccc"? Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 5:43:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B0737B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDAC43E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:43:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA17986; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g61CgoF21764; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15648.20042.559587.616837@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world with compaq compiler In-Reply-To: <3D204CCA.1080407@web.de> References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> <3D203A5C.9080102@code-fu.com> <3D203D64.3040400@web.de> <15648.19475.409856.797672@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D204CCA.1080407@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > Andrew Gallatin schrieb: > > >No. > > > >The last I checked, our code was still to closely tied to gcc. There > >was work going on in -current to support building with icc (intel's c > >compiler for linux). This should also help people attempting to build > >with ccc. > > > > > What about ports? I want to use EMBOSS, a molecular biology suite, that > has some FP intensive programs. Any chance I can compile certain ports > by just doing "export CC=ccc"? Yes. That's what I do. You'll run into the most problems in files which have inline alpha assembly. This needs to be converted to a format which ccc understands. Hopefully, your EMBOSS program is too high level to have inline assembly. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 5:48:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 122ED37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 360FB43E1D for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 05:48:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P0bI-0006pp-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:48:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 79679126 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 7E93461 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:48:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D204F42.8070904@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 14:46:58 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world with compaq compiler References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020701095951.GA47115@xs4all.nl> <3D2028CE.4090407@web.de> <3D203A5C.9080102@code-fu.com> <3D203D64.3040400@web.de> <15648.19475.409856.797672@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D204CCA.1080407@web.de> <15648.20042.559587.616837@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin schrieb: >Yes. That's what I do. > >You'll run into the most problems in files which have inline alpha >assembly. This needs to be converted to a format which ccc >understands. Hopefully, your EMBOSS program is too high level to >have inline assembly. > > Well, I could build it from source on an SGI Octane/2 using the IRIX MIPS-Compiler without any problem, same on Linux with gcc, so the code seems to be pretty "clean" in regard wo what compiler is used. Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 6: 8: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE6137B401 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (node-c-3d3f.a2000.nl [62.194.61.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1A4F43E1A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:07:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from parthy2@mail.com) From: "PARTHY MACARTHY" Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 15:07:56 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: URGENT RESPONSE NEEDED MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020701130755.B1A4F43E1A@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT. 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Yours faithfully, PARTHY MACARTHY To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 8:17:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81A937B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lyra.enemy.org (lyra.enemy.org [62.116.11.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7784D43E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:17:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (qmail 13806 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:18:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satanii.enemy.org) (62.116.11.3) by lyra.enemy.org with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:18:26 -0000 Received: from satanii.enemy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g61FIOI03655 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:18:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Message-Id: <200207011518.g61FIOI03655@satanii.enemy.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: q: ccc and make world? X-message-flag: This mail was sent through the ``Enemy.ORG Productions'' network Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:18:24 +0200 From: "Chris J. Mutter" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, maybe a dumb question: did anybody compile a whole freebsd system using the ccc (compaq-cc) on freebsd-alpha? does it theoretically work to have a highly optimized system? my machine is a alphaserver 400 and therefore not very fast - so saving CPU-cycles would be worth the compile. thanks cjm enemy.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 8:21:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE28537B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23043E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:21:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22984; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g61FL2B21978; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15648.29534.368406.279283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 11:21:02 -0400 (EDT) To: "Chris J. Mutter" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: q: ccc and make world? In-Reply-To: <200207011518.g61FIOI03655@satanii.enemy.org> References: <200207011518.g61FIOI03655@satanii.enemy.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As discussed in the thread "make world with compaq compiler" earlier today, it won't work. Our sources are still too closely tied to gcc Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 8:32:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AFF37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lyra.enemy.org (lyra.enemy.org [62.116.11.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C2E6F43E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (qmail 13879 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satanii.enemy.org) (62.116.11.3) by lyra.enemy.org with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 15:33:43 -0000 Received: from satanii.enemy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g61FXgI11255; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:33:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Message-Id: <200207011533.g61FXgI11255@satanii.enemy.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: q: ccc and make world? In-reply-to: gallatin's message of Mon, 01 Jul 2002 11:21:02 -0400. <15648.29534.368406.279283@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Sig1: This Message is MIME-less... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:33:42 +0200 From: "Chris J. Mutter" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, > As discussed in the thread "make world with compaq compiler" earlier > today, it won't work. Our sources are still too closely tied to gcc okay thanks for answer. (i just joined the list like 30mins ago because i didnt find an answer to this question in the mailinglist archives). regards, cjm enemy.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 8:47: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D4C37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A3EC43E4B for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 08:46:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P3Nd-0000Mb-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:46:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 8B6F215D for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:46:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 71CD7F for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:46:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:45:02 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: No inodes left Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I partioned an 1GB IDE (first IDE port, slave) drive in two 516MB slices (ad1e & ad1f). I mounted /usr/ports on ad1f. The installation from CD worked flawlessly but when I am trying to build things I get "no inodes left". But there are more than 250MB free on the disk? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 9: 2:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A149A37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9596843E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g61G2mMa037106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:02:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g61G2mFJ088944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:02:48 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g61G2l28088943; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:02:47 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:02:47 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No inodes left Message-ID: <20020701160247.GZ70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 05:45:02PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > Hi all, > > I partioned an 1GB IDE (first IDE port, slave) drive in two 516MB slices > (ad1e & ad1f). I mounted /usr/ports on ad1f. The installation from CD > worked flawlessly but when I am trying to build things I get "no inodes > left". But there are more than 250MB free on the disk? Any suggestions? Inodes and space are different resources. You can see with df -i. Every file, link, devnode, directory, ... consumes an inode. The number of indoes is constant. The only way to increase the number of inodes is to newfs the partition. Unfortunately the current newfs defaults aren't good for many small files like in sources or ports. Even a typical FreeBSD installation has a smaller bytes/file ratio than newfs creates :( I already complained when the change went in, but it was unheared. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 9: 3:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD7337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lyra.enemy.org (lyra.enemy.org [62.116.11.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A30543E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (qmail 14043 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 16:04:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satanii.enemy.org) (62.116.11.3) by lyra.enemy.org with SMTP; 1 Jul 2002 16:04:42 -0000 Received: from satanii.enemy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g61G4fI18290; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:04:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Message-Id: <200207011604.g61G4fI18290@satanii.enemy.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No inodes left In-reply-to: Jan.Lentfer's message of Mon, 01 Jul 2002 17:45:02 +0200. <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> X-Sig1: This Message is MIME-less... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:04:41 +0200 From: "Chris J. Mutter" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jan, > I partioned an 1GB IDE (first IDE port, slave) drive in two 516MB slices > (ad1e & ad1f). I mounted /usr/ports on ad1f. The installation from CD > worked flawlessly but when I am trying to build things I get "no inodes > left". But there are more than 250MB free on the disk? Any suggestions? what does ``df -i'' tell you on this filesystem? usually there is not much to do against it when you run out of inodes, but you could newfs it with the -i option: ``-i number of bytes per inode'' if its not the root partition. i saw the ``out of inode'' error once also on a filesystem that was dirty-mounted (but not on *BSD). later, cjm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 9:11:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645D637B401 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF2A43E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P3m9-00025f-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:11:41 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 23BBA15D; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:11:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 20057F; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D207EEA.3040205@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:10:18 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ticso@cicely.de Cc: Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No inodes left References: <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> <20020701160247.GZ70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter schrieb: >Inodes and space are different resources. >You can see with df -i. >Every file, link, devnode, directory, ... consumes an inode. >The number of indoes is constant. >The only way to increase the number of inodes is to newfs the >partition. >Unfortunately the current newfs defaults aren't good for many small >files like in sources or ports. >Even a typical FreeBSD installation has a smaller bytes/file ratio >than newfs creates :( >I already complained when the change went in, but it was unheared. > > > I removed an newfs'ed the partitions now, but with standards. Any suggestion on what paramters to use for newfs? Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 9:31: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C169C37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D423443E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g61GUxMa037562 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:31:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g61GUwFJ093039 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:30:58 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g61GUvgQ093038; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:30:57 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:30:57 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Jan Lentfer Cc: ticso@cicely.de, Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No inodes left Message-ID: <20020701163056.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> <20020701160247.GZ70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D207EEA.3040205@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D207EEA.3040205@web.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 06:10:18PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > Bernd Walter schrieb: > > >Inodes and space are different resources. > >You can see with df -i. > >Every file, link, devnode, directory, ... consumes an inode. > >The number of indoes is constant. > >The only way to increase the number of inodes is to newfs the > >partition. > >Unfortunately the current newfs defaults aren't good for many small > >files like in sources or ports. > >Even a typical FreeBSD installation has a smaller bytes/file ratio > >than newfs creates :( > >I already complained when the change went in, but it was unheared. > > > > > > > I removed an newfs'ed the partitions now, but with standards. Any > suggestion on what paramters to use for newfs? -i option sets the number of byte/inodes. For typical use I would suggest a value of 1024 to 2048. You can see with df -i that the number of inodes increase after newfs. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 9:38:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E5F637B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F31543E1A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P4Bl-0008Op-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:38:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 6D0DC15D; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:38:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 539FBF; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:38:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D20851D.10402@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 18:36:45 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ticso@cicely.de, freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: No inodes left References: <3D2078FE.2040709@web.de> <20020701160247.GZ70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D207EEA.3040205@web.de> <20020701163056.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter schrieb: >-i option sets the number of byte/inodes. >For typical use I would suggest a value of 1024 to 2048. >You can see with df -i that the number of inodes increase after newfs. > > > That's it, I think. With the standards for newfs I only had 65277 inodes in 516MB, which really isn't much for /usr/ports. -i 2048 gave me 251133 inodes. That should be enough, I guess. Thanks a lot, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 14:29:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EA937B401 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0C443E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:29:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P8jV-0001OI-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:29:18 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 7A87F15D for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:29:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 4513CF for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:29:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D20C95C.5050805@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:27:56 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Can't install compaq-cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I just tried to install compaq-cc but it doesn't work. It seems like the linux-compat module is not found. But where do I build that? I couldn't find it in make.conf and couldn't find anything in the newsgroups. Any help appreciated, Jan jan-alpha# make install ===> Installing for compaq-cc-6.4.9.005.1_2 ===> compaq-cc-6.4.9.005.1_2 depends on file: /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release - not found ===> Verifying install for /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release in /usr/ports/emu lators/linux_base >> No directory for /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release. Skipping.. AlphaLinux mode is not enabled. Loading AlphaLinux kernel module... kldload: can't load linux: No such file or directory The AlphaLinux kernel module could not be loaded. Please manually load the module and retry. See "man linux" for details. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc. jan-alpha# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 14:42:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B0037B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5BD43E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:42:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05843; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g61Lfd822365; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15648.52371.827916.793890@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:41:39 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't install compaq-cc In-Reply-To: <3D20C95C.5050805@web.de> References: <3D20C95C.5050805@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Its probably failing to load because it depends on osf1.ko, and module dependancies are somewhat broken so osf1 isn't autoloaded like it should be. Do: # kldload osf1 # kldload linux Add these lines to /etc/rc.conf osf1_enable="YES" linux_enable="YES" Drew Jan Lentfer writes: > Hi all, > > I just tried to install compaq-cc but it doesn't work. It seems like the > linux-compat module is not found. But where do I build that? I couldn't > find it in make.conf and couldn't find anything in the newsgroups. > > Any help appreciated, > > Jan > > > jan-alpha# make install > ===> Installing for compaq-cc-6.4.9.005.1_2 > ===> compaq-cc-6.4.9.005.1_2 depends on file: > /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release > - not found > ===> Verifying install for /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release in > /usr/ports/emu > lators/linux_base > >> No directory for /compat/linux/etc/redhat-release. Skipping.. > AlphaLinux mode is not enabled. Loading AlphaLinux kernel module... > kldload: can't load linux: No such file or directory > The AlphaLinux kernel module could not be loaded. Please manually > load the module and retry. See "man linux" for details. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc. > jan-alpha# > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 14:45:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504F437B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail44.fg.online.no (mail44-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F069243E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:45:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cobb139@online.no) Received: from epostleser.online.no ([148.122.3.26]) by mail44.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08133 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:45:13 +0200 (MET DST) X-WebMail-UserID: cobb139@online.no Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:45:13 +0200 From: cobb139 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000140 Subject: Message-ID: <3D23CADA@epostleser.online.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 14:48:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7434937B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE9943E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:48:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P91y-0004zl-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:48:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id D7E1E15D; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:48:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id B10E9F; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:48:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D20CDD2.9080100@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:46:58 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't install compaq-cc References: <3D20C95C.5050805@web.de> <15648.52371.827916.793890@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin schrieb: >Its probably failing to load because it depends on osf1.ko, and >module dependancies are somewhat broken so osf1 isn't autoloaded like >it should be. > >Do: > ># kldload osf1 ># kldload linux > >Add these lines to /etc/rc.conf > >osf1_enable="YES" >linux_enable="YES" > > >Drew > > > That got me a little further, but now I get: cd /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/work ; ccc -c /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/*.c ; ar vq /usr/lib/compaq/cpml-5.1.0/libcpml_ev5.a *.o ELF interpreter /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found Abort trap *** Error code 134 Stop in /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc. jan-alpha# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 14:51:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D09237B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7399B43E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:51:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06162; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g61LoaB22378; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:50:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15648.52908.954118.340421@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:50:36 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't install compaq-cc In-Reply-To: <3D20CDD2.9080100@web.de> References: <3D20C95C.5050805@web.de> <15648.52371.827916.793890@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D20CDD2.9080100@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > > That got me a little further, but now I get: > > > > cd > /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/work > ; ccc -c > /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/*.c ; > ar vq /usr/lib/compaq/cpml-5.1.0/libcpml_ev5.a *.o > ELF interpreter /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found > Abort trap Do you have the linux_base port installed? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 14:54:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA17C37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6849443E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 14:54:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.110.143] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17P97g-0005kp-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:54:16 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 2762815D; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:54:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 16B02F; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:54:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D20CF36.8060709@web.de> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:52:54 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Can't install compaq-cc References: <3D20C95C.5050805@web.de> <15648.52371.827916.793890@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D20CDD2.9080100@web.de> <15648.52908.954118.340421@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin schrieb: >Jan Lentfer writes: > > > > That got me a little further, but now I get: > > > > > > > > cd > > /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/work > > ; ccc -c > > /usr/ports/lang/compaq-cc/files/*.c ; > > ar vq /usr/lib/compaq/cpml-5.1.0/libcpml_ev5.a *.o > > ELF interpreter /compat/linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2 not found > > Abort trap > > >Do you have the linux_base port installed? > >Drew > > Oooppsy..... no :( Too late, should go to bed - but I am just too excited about my new toy ;-) Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 17:19:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 602DF37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolfman.mcgreal.org (dsl-64-129-43-129.telocity.com [64.129.43.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5584143E26 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin@mcgreal.org) Received: (qmail 47903 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 00:16:49 -0000 Received: from dracula.mcgreal.org (HELO dracula) (10.0.0.2) by wolfman.mcgreal.org with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 00:16:49 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Martin McGreal Reply-To: martin@mcgreal.org To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world with compaq compiler Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:19:35 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <15648.20042.559587.616837@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D204F42.8070904@web.de> In-Reply-To: <3D204F42.8070904@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02070119193500.32262@dracula> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are you guys running this compiler via the Linux compatibility features? Assuming you're using the compatibility libraries, does anyone have a website w/instructions on how to set this up, or is it so easy there's no need, or did I just volunteer to do that? Thanks, Martin On Monday 01 July 2002 07:46, Jan Lentfer wrote: > Andrew Gallatin schrieb: > >Yes. That's what I do. > > > >You'll run into the most problems in files which have inline alpha > >assembly. This needs to be converted to a format which ccc > >understands. Hopefully, your EMBOSS program is too high level to > >have inline assembly. > > Well, I could build it from source on an SGI Octane/2 using the IRIX > MIPS-Compiler without any problem, same on Linux with gcc, so the code > seems to be pretty "clean" in regard wo what compiler is used. > > Jan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Jul 1 17:29:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A33337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E99D43E13 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:29:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09679; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g620TBE22506; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:29:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15648.62423.291559.807361@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 20:29:11 -0400 (EDT) To: martin@mcgreal.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: make world with compaq compiler In-Reply-To: <02070119193500.32262@dracula> References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <15648.20042.559587.616837@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D204F42.8070904@web.de> <02070119193500.32262@dracula> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Martin McGreal writes: > > Are you guys running this compiler via the Linux compatibility features? Yes, and it produces native binaries. > Assuming you're using the compatibility libraries, does anyone have a website > w/instructions on how to set this up, or is it so easy there's no need, or > did I just volunteer to do that? You install the ports/lang/compaq-cc port, after making sure that you have linux_base port installed. linux_base requires you have the osf1 and linux modules loaded. That's about it.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 3:22: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCEA37B400; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 03:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DC843E0A; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 03:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PKnF-0004Cu-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:21:57 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 7E04073; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:21:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-linnb.lan (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id F23356; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: can't install XFree86 - LibXau.a Malformed Archive From: Jan Lentfer To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 02 Jul 2002 12:20:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1025605237.2116.23.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I am having big troubles installing XFree86-4.2 from ports. The problem seems to be within XFree86-4-libraries. The "make"/compile process works flawless in XFree86-4-libraries but when I do install I get libXau.a: Malformed archive. Any Suggestions? Many thanks in advance, Jan Lentfer jan-alpha# uname -a FreeBSD jan-alpha.lan 4.6-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE-p1 #0: Sun Jul 7 16:14:05 GMT 2002 root@jan-alpha.lan:/usr/src/sys/compile/EV56 alpha ---------------------------- install in lib/xtrans done installing in lib/Xau... /usr/bin/install -c -m 0644 libXau.a /usr/X11R6/lib ranlib /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a /usr/libexec/elf/ranlib: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a: Malformed archive *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc/lib/Xau. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc/lib. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries. jan-alpha# To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 5:30: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B595837B50E for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from testmail.infothuis.nl (testmail.infothuis.nl [195.96.98.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F0EA442E3 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from floris@vangog.net) Received: (qmail 22500 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 12:16:28 -0000 Received: from 85dyn88.com21.casema.net (HELO tamama) (62.234.62.88) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 12:16:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c221c1$fe261ab0$9600000a@tamama> From: "Floris 'Tamama' van Gog" To: Subject: Mouse on a Noname Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:14:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I connected a mouse to my noname alpha running at 166Mhz, but it doesnt really like it much. It is a standard serial mouse, took me some to find one. Can someone help me make it work? At boot it already complains that the mouse is not present. Does the alpha have any special needs? No mouse prevents me to run Xwindows and I wanted to try it out :-) Any help appreciated, Floris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 5:37:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B95E337B4B8 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F94243E13 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:37:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23602; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g62CamO23536; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:36:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15649.40544.867493.419695@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:36:48 -0400 (EDT) To: "Floris 'Tamama' van Gog" Cc: Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname In-Reply-To: <001701c221c1$fe261ab0$9600000a@tamama> References: <001701c221c1$fe261ab0$9600000a@tamama> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Floris 'Tamama' van Gog writes: > Hi, > > I connected a mouse to my noname alpha running at 166Mhz, but it doesnt > really like it much. It is a standard serial mouse, took me some to find > one. Can someone help me make it work? At boot it already complains that > the mouse is not present. Does the alpha have any special needs? No > mouse prevents me to run Xwindows and I wanted to try it out :-) Is it attachted to sio0 or sio1? If the latter, you might want to build a kernel without flags 0x50 for sio1. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 5:41: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E0D737B495 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1E643E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:40:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA23698; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g62CePT23545; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:40:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15649.40761.653342.201290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:40:25 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can't install XFree86 - LibXau.a Malformed Archive In-Reply-To: <1025605237.2116.23.camel@jan-linnb.lan> References: <1025605237.2116.23.camel@jan-linnb.lan> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > Hi all, > > I am having big troubles installing XFree86-4.2 from ports. > The problem seems to be within XFree86-4-libraries. > The "make"/compile process works flawless in XFree86-4-libraries but > when I do install I get libXau.a: Malformed archive. > > Any Suggestions? Do an 'ar t' on the file to see what its contents are. You should see something like this: ar t /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a AuDispose.o AuFileName.o AuGetAddr.o AuGetBest.o AuLock.o AuRead.o AuUnlock.o AuWrite.o Perhaps you ran out of space when building. The X ports didn't used to complain of build errors until the install phase (its like they use make -k internally). Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 5:51:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F4C37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81EE643E13 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:51:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PN7n-00049V-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:51:19 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id D7B5793; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:51:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-linnb.lan (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id AB16D6F; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:51:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: can't install XFree86 - LibXau.a Malformed Archive From: Jan Lentfer To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <15649.40761.653342.201290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <1025605237.2116.23.camel@jan-linnb.lan> <15649.40761.653342.201290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 02 Jul 2002 14:49:56 +0200 Message-Id: <1025614197.2116.33.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am Die, 2002-07-02 um 14.40 schrieb Andrew Gallatin: > > Do an 'ar t' on the file to see what its contents are. You should see > something like this: > > ar t /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a > AuDispose.o > AuFileName.o > AuGetAddr.o > AuGetBest.o > AuLock.o > AuRead.o > AuUnlock.o > AuWrite.o > > > Perhaps you ran out of space when building. The X ports didn't used > to complain of build errors until the install phase (its like they use > make -k internally). I don't think so - I've more than 100MB left on that partition. This time I deinstalled everything related to Xfree-build before retrying (make,imake,freetype), so everyhting was compiled freshly. Still it bails out. :( Jan jan-alpha# ar t /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc/lib/Xau/libXau.a /usr/libexec/elf/ar: /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc/lib/Xau/libXau.a: Malformed archivejan-alpha# ar t /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a /usr/libexec/elf/ar: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a: Malformed archive jan-alpha# df -h Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0a 339M 56M 256M 18% / /dev/ad0f 339M 4.0K 312M 0% /tmp /dev/da0e 3.4G 1.3G 1.9G 41% /usr /dev/ad0e 339M 1.4M 310M 0% /var procfs 8.0K 8.0K 0B 100% /proc /dev/ad1f 486M 340M 106M 76% /usr/ports To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 6:42: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C92237B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:42:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C202043E0A for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:42:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25366; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g62DfZf23627; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15649.44431.265133.185256@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:41:35 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: can't install XFree86 - LibXau.a Malformed Archive In-Reply-To: <1025614197.2116.33.camel@jan-linnb.lan> References: <1025605237.2116.23.camel@jan-linnb.lan> <15649.40761.653342.201290@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1025614197.2116.33.camel@jan-linnb.lan> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > I don't think so - I've more than 100MB left on that partition. > This time I deinstalled everything related to Xfree-build before > retrying (make,imake,freetype), so everyhting was compiled freshly. > Still it bails out. :( > > > Jan > > > > jan-alpha# ar t > /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc/lib/Xau/libXau.a > /usr/libexec/elf/ar: > /usr/ports/x11/XFree86-4-libraries/work/xc/lib/Xau/libXau.a: Malformed > > > archivejan-alpha# ar t /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a > /usr/libexec/elf/ar: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXau.a: Malformed archive Well, its somehow corrupt. > /dev/ad1f 486M 340M 106M 76% /usr/ports 106MB isn't a lot. I'm not sure that running out of space is your problem, but it might be. Try rm -rf'ing work, and building agaig, but redirecting the output to a log file & see whats happening when the libXau.a is built. Can't you just install the pkg? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 14: 7:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEE837B85C for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4607A4472D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:34:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PSTT-0004KO-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:34:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 38E4C93 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id AFA446F for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:32:40 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha Subject: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I just had the idea that we could maintain a list of those ports that can be compiled unsing the compaq-cc, with hints about how, etc. Any interest? Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 14:13: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3451737C2F3 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D6744C5D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:17:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PU52-000817-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:16:56 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id B9F14209 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:16:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 8FE1815D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:16:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D2209E4.9040304@web.de> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:15:32 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha Subject: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I just had the idea that we could maintain a list of those ports that can be compiled unsing the compaq-cc, with hints about how, etc. Any interest? Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 14:18: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65C837B6DD for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED3DE43E13 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11815; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g62LFRK24113; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:15:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:15:27 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc In-Reply-To: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yes! Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 14:24:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CDF37BF10 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86FDB43E39 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:20:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PV3b-0003o2-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:19:32 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 745E4126; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:19:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id D61936; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:19:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 23:18:04 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin schrieb: >Yes! > >Drew > > OK, first one: bash2..... steps: export CC="ccc" export CFLAGS="-04 -fast" works flawless..... But seriously.... How should we manage this? I'd say a website (with regestration for submitters???) where we could hold the status of all ports Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 15:50:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C4937B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B9243E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0523.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.200.13] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17PWU0-0006B9-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 15:50:13 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > But seriously.... How should we manage this? I'd say a website (with > regestration for submitters???) where we could hold the status of all ports Modify the ports.mk so that it will check a flag, and, if it is present and the compiler is present, have it "prefer" the Compaq compiler. Then for those ports where it works, just set the flag in their Makefile. Allow this behaviour to be globally overridden via make.conf. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 15:55:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CA037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBAA43E3D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PWY5-0001yE-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:55:05 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id A553B15D; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:55:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 91A16126; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:54:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:53:39 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: Jan Lentfer , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert schrieb: >Jan Lentfer wrote: > > >>But seriously.... How should we manage this? I'd say a website (with >>regestration for submitters???) where we could hold the status of all ports >> >> > > >Modify the ports.mk so that it will check a flag, and, if it is >present and the compiler is present, have it "prefer" the Compaq >compiler. Then for those ports where it works, just set the flag >in their Makefile. > >Allow this behaviour to be globally overridden via make.conf. > >-- Terry > > But before we could do this we would need a list of "known-to-work" ports. Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:30:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFB237B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B224343E31 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:30:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 17PX6Q-0007iH-06; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:30:34 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g62NKhoU049331 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:20:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g62NKgmi049330 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:20:43 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 23:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > I just had the idea that we could maintain a list of those ports that > can be compiled unsing the compaq-cc, with hints about how, etc. Any > interest? I've more or less given up on compaq-cc for the time being, because system header changes kept breaking the port all the time. This may be less of a problem on -STABLE. I have previously built the Ogg Vorbis collection (libao, libogg, libvorbis, vorbis-tools) with ccc, and this gave substantial speed gains for encoding audio tracks. I forgot the numbers, but basically my PC164-500 went from quite a bit worse than real time to quite a bit better than real time. Much of the actual gains might not be due to ccc itself but rather to the optimized math library, libcpml. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:32:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF0A37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B5943E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g62NWOUI076369; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g62NWONS076361; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:32:24 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Message-ID: <20020702163224.A70767@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D22188C.2000603@web.de>; from Jan.Lentfer@web.de on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:18:04PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > OK, first one: bash2..... > > steps: > export CC="ccc" > export CFLAGS="-04 -fast" Should such a high -O be used? I would create a patch for bsd.port.mk that would add the COMPILE_WITH knob. If WANT_COMPILER=X is set and X is in the COMPILE_WITH list, then a build dependancy would be added on X and it would be used during the build. Note that COMPILE_WITH would be an ordered list. Potential values are: compaq-cc, icc, tendra To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:33:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A2F637B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:33:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67A0343E0A for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dean@dragon.stack.nl) Received: from dragon.stack.nl (dragon.stack.nl [2001:610:1108:5011:202:b3ff:fe17:a4cb]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EA53D81A; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:33:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dragon.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 1600) id B35F89890; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:32:43 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:32:43 +0200 From: Dean Strik To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Message-ID: <20020702233243.GC52340@dragon.stack.nl> References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> X-Editor: VIM Rulez! http://www.vim.org/ X-MUD: Outerspace - telnet://mud.stack.nl:3333 X-Really: Yes User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > Terry Lambert schrieb: > >Modify the ports.mk so that it will check a flag, and, if it is > >present and the compiler is present, have it "prefer" the Compaq > >compiler. Then for those ports where it works, just set the flag > >in their Makefile. > > > >Allow this behaviour to be globally overridden via make.conf. > > But before we could do this we would need a list of "known-to-work" ports. What's the added value of that? I'd rather see the changes to the mk file and have the flag set for ports that work, than first compiling a long list before ever setting any flag. That's just buffering :-) -- Dean C. Strik Eindhoven University of Technology dean@stack.nl | dean@ipnet6.org | http://www.ipnet6.org/ "This isn't right. This isn't even wrong." -- Wolfgang Pauli To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:34:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A16037B400; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FD043E09; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:34:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15369; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g62NY4h24282; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15650.14444.794638.14832@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:34:04 -0400 (EDT) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc In-Reply-To: <20020702163224.A70767@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <20020702163224.A70767@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > OK, first one: bash2..... > > > > steps: > > export CC="ccc" > > export CFLAGS="-04 -fast" > > Should such a high -O be used? Optimization actually works with compaq cc ;) Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:37: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35F1737B401 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6B443E39 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:36:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PXCa-0005Yu-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:36:56 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 041C6373; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:36:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id D21141D5; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:36:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D2238C2.1060708@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:35:30 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dean Strik Cc: Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <20020702233243.GC52340@dragon.stack.nl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000805090002030004090709" X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --------------000805090002030004090709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean Strik schrieb: >Jan Lentfer wrote: > > >>Terry Lambert schrieb: >> >> >>>Modify the ports.mk so that it will check a flag, and, if it is >>>present and the compiler is present, have it "prefer" the Compaq >>>compiler. Then for those ports where it works, just set the flag >>>in their Makefile. >>> >>>Allow this behaviour to be globally overridden via make.conf. >>> >>> >>But before we could do this we would need a list of "known-to-work" ports. >> >> > >What's the added value of that? I'd rather see the changes to the mk >file and have the flag set for ports that work, than first compiling a >long list before ever setting any flag. That's just buffering :-) > > OK, of course that could be working hand in hand - but before you sumbit it to be added to ports you should make clear it really works... on different CPUs etc... Jan --------------000805090002030004090709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dean Strik schrieb:
Jan Lentfer wrote:
  
Terry Lambert schrieb:
    
Modify the ports.mk so that it will check a flag, and, if it is
present and the compiler is present, have it "prefer" the Compaq
compiler.  Then for those ports where it works, just set the flag
in their Makefile.

Allow this behaviour to be globally overridden via make.conf.
      
But before we could do this we would need a list of "known-to-work" ports.
    

What's the added value of that? I'd rather see the changes to the mk
file and have the flag set for ports that work, than first compiling a
long list before ever setting any flag. That's just buffering :-)

OK, of course that could be working hand in hand - but before you sumbit it to be added to ports you should make clear it really works... on different CPUs etc...

Jan


--------------000805090002030004090709-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:37:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5929137B405 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 613D443E3D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:37:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g62NbQUI092427; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:37:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g62NbQA5092426; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:37:26 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Message-ID: <20020702163726.C70767@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <20020702163224.A70767@dragon.nuxi.com> <15650.14444.794638.14832@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15650.14444.794638.14832@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu>; from gallatin@cs.duke.edu on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 07:34:04PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 07:34:04PM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > David O'Brien writes: > > On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > > OK, first one: bash2..... > > > > > > steps: > > > export CC="ccc" > > > export CFLAGS="-04 -fast" > > > > Should such a high -O be used? > > Optimization actually works with compaq cc ;) Yes, but does -O4 bloat the binary to get better "speed", but blowing the cache? I'd also like to see things tested with the ev56 or better flag. I'm hoping that with all the cheap ev56 machines on eBay now; we can assume a better class of machine than in the past. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:38: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6572137B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5DE43E13 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g62Nc6UI092440; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g62Nc5OY092439; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:05 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Message-ID: <20020702163805.D70767@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:20:42PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:20:42PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Much of the actual gains might not be due to ccc itself but rather > to the optimized math library, libcpml. One can use this library with GCC, IIRC correctly. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 16:38:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5739437B401; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0965D43E31; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PXE4-0005ef-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:38:28 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 5666E3F4; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:38:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 2C59A37C; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 01:38:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D223921.7080101@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 01:37:05 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <20020702163224.A70767@dragon.nuxi.com> <15650.14444.794638.14832@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin schrieb: >David O'Brien writes: > > On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:18:04PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > > OK, first one: bash2..... > > > > > > steps: > > > export CC="ccc" > > > export CFLAGS="-04 -fast" > > > > Should such a high -O be used? > >Optimization actually works with compaq cc ;) > > I come from molecular biology, if you compile tree-puzzle (www.tree-puzzle.de) with high optimizations it really give you a measureable speed increase. Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 17: 1:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3827037B401 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87BCC43E13 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:01:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0704.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.194.194] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17PXZs-0007Gw-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:00:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Jan Lentfer , Andrew Gallatin , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > >>But seriously.... How should we manage this? I'd say a website (with > >>regestration for submitters???) where we could hold the status of all ports > > > >Modify the ports.mk so that it will check a flag, and, if it is > >present and the compiler is present, have it "prefer" the Compaq > >compiler. Then for those ports where it works, just set the flag > >in their Makefile. > > > >Allow this behaviour to be globally overridden via make.conf. > > But before we could do this we would need a list of "known-to-work" ports. No, you wouldn't. That's why I designed it that way: so you could incrementally add to the list of "known-to-work" ports over time, incrementally, starting at 0 or 1 ports. It also allows for "Yes, but..."; for example, if some port did work with the Compaq compiler, but the code result was somehow inferior to the non-Compaq compiler, you could add the flags that it worked, then comment them out, with a text comment saying why. It also allows for the Compaq compiler to become a port dependency for the ports best compiled with the Compaq compiler, at a later date. You appear to want a lot of people to install the Compaq tools on a minority platform, and spend a lot of effort verifying ports on your behalf, just so they can tag this fact in a comment in the "README" or Makefile for a port, and obtain no benefit from the effort, other than the tiny number of people who read these files before executing "make" on them, in order to build a given port. With respect, the single most important thing that makes effort happen with regard to Open Source is working code. I've proven this over and over again. FreeBSD is around because 386BSD code *worked*, thanks to my efforts with the patchkit. OpenLDAP is around because of the patches that I both collected into a single whole, and made on my own, as an experiment to prove this thesis; on its own, the University of Michigan LDAP code needed to *work* before it gained wide acceptance. Eric Raymond can take his "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" voo-doo and stuff them. I have mathematical models. I can *prove* my thesis over 9 Open Source Software projects in which I have participated directly, and over another half a dozen which I've analyzed. If you want something that's going to result in ports available for you, which can be compiled out-of-the-box with the Compaq compiler, the only approach that's going to work consistantly is going to be the approach I've described. The approach that you described will not result in what you say you want to have happen. The emergent properties of your approach is a significant division of effort. If you don't care about what happens, and you just want a project, then, by all means, declare one at Sourceforge, and have it get nowhere, just like all other non-working projects proceed to failure after declaration without working code. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 17:38: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5918E37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:38:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308EB43E4B for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PY9j-0004ke-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:38:03 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 6E02315D; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:38:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 1B5E2126; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:37:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D224716.901@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:36:38 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert schrieb: [...] Read and agreed > > >You appear to want a lot of people to install the Compaq tools >on a minority platform, and spend a lot of effort verifying >ports on your behalf, just so they can tag this fact in a >comment in the "README" or Makefile for a port, and obtain no >benefit from the effort, other than the tiny number of people >who read these files before executing "make" on them, in order >to build a given port. > > Hmm, well I didn't really give that a deep thought yet. It was an *idea*. I just thought that there are certain ports that could benefit from being compiled with the ccc. I did not have any idea about how to integrate that into FreeBSD, because maybe I know too little about the interiors of FreeBSD and the ports system. As said, it was an idea, not more. But on the other hand I had to read the Makfile of openssh-portable, too to find out make -DOPENSSH_OVERWRITE_BASE actually does what I want, nobody on security said it was bad to read the Makefile (a lot there seem to expect you to) >With respect, the single most important thing that makes effort >happen with regard to Open Source is working code. I've proven >this over and over again. FreeBSD is around because 386BSD code >*worked*, thanks to my efforts with the patchkit. OpenLDAP is >around because of the patches that I both collected into a single >whole, and made on my own, as an experiment to prove this thesis; >on its own, the University of Michigan LDAP code needed to *work* >before it gained wide acceptance. Eric Raymond can take his >"The Cathedral and the Bazaar" voo-doo and stuff them. I have >mathematical models. I can *prove* my thesis over 9 Open Source >Software projects in which I have participated directly, and over >another half a dozen which I've analyzed. > > I think I did not say a single word against open source or that in first place code should work, did I? You are making a lot more out of it than I ever wanted. The thing is, there is code (like biology/emboss) that can be very easily compiled with the ccc and you gain a lot of advantage - that's all in my eyes. The way this *knowledge* is spread - I don't really care. If there is a way to automize it within FreeBSD/Alpha - superb - I didn't know but I am willing to learn and I am willing to contribute. If the *way to go* in FreeBSD is different, I will follow the FreeBSD-way. >If you want something that's going to result in ports available >for you, which can be compiled out-of-the-box with the Compaq >compiler, the only approach that's going to work consistantly >is going to be the approach I've described. The approach that >you described will not result in what you say you want to have >happen. The emergent properties of your approach is a significant >division of effort. > I didn't say I expected out-of-the-box ccc-ports! I had an simple idea, and you it seems, have bad manners: I am pretty new to FreeBSD and especially Alpha (2 days now). Sorry for trying to bring in ideas. You could have told and explained *the way to go* with out trying to be a principal. >If you don't care about what happens, and you just want a project, >then, by all means, declare one at Sourceforge, and have it get >nowhere, just like all other non-working projects proceed to >failure after declaration without working code. > > I never said that I don't care what happens, why the heck are you so hostile? I had an idea.... which is an idea and will stay an idea..... it wasn't written in stone nor want I to overthrow world order (nor freebsd order) nor anything, it was meant as initiation - not as an thought-through-all-the-way-fnished-concept. Again, sorry if I am not very firm with hows-and-whos of FreeBSD, but please be a little more easy on me..... Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 17:52: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 034A637B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4457443E31 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:52:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g630q3UI093780; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g630q32G093779; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:52:03 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems Message-ID: <20020702175203.A93252@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D202495.8070609@web.de>; from Jan.Lentfer@web.de on Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 11:44:53AM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 11:44:53AM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > (Of course), I entcountered some problems of which most were solved by > upgrading to 7.2 firmware. Where does one find SRM now days? ftp.compaq.com isn't really answering right now. Nor is gatekeeper.dec.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 17:54:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E1F37B408 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:54:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.rol.ru (ts21-b175.Moscow.dial.rol.ru [212.46.249.175]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D548A43E52 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:54:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RTU-catalogue@hotmail.com) From: "=?koi8-r?B?68HUwczPxyBSVFUucnU=?=" To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?koi8-r?B?68HUwczPxyBSVFUucnU=?= Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:23:22 +0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ÷ÁÛÅ ÐÒÅÄÐÒÉÑÔÉÅ ÅÝÅ ÎÅ ×ÎÅÓÅÎÏ × ËÁÔÁÌÏÇ RTU.ru? üÔÏ ÎÅ ÐÏÚÄÎÏ ÓÄÅÌÁÔØ ÓÅÊÞÁÓ http://www.rtu.ru/registration/ äÏÐÕÓËÁÅÔÓÑ ÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÁÃÉÑ ÐÒÅÄÐÒÉÑÔÉÊ, ÎÅ ÉÍÅÀÝÉÈ Ó×ÏÅÇÏ ÓÁÊÔÁ. ðÏÄÒÏÂÎÏÓÔÉ ÎÁ www.rtu.ru/about/ áÄÍÉÎÉÓÔÒÁÔÏÒ ËÁÔÁÌÏÇÁ www.rtu.ru To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 18: 0:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7934F37B400; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467A543E4B; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:00:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PYVB-0002ru-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:00:13 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 75BB81D5; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:00:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 36BB31D1; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 03:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D224C45.6030603@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:58:45 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020702175203.A93252@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien schrieb: >On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 11:44:53AM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > >>(Of course), I entcountered some problems of which most were solved by >>upgrading to 7.2 firmware. >> >> > >Where does one find SRM now days? ftp.compaq.com isn't really answering >right now. Nor is gatekeeper.dec.com. > > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/workstations.html and choose "retired systems" on the left hand site under "Alpha Station Systems" or go to http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/digitalpw.html directly of you have a PWS a/au hth, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 18: 5: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C1B37B400; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:05:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7065B43E3D; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:04:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA16852; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g6314S424363; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:04:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15650.19868.907072.443836@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:04:28 -0400 (EDT) To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: PWS 500a SCSI Problems In-Reply-To: <20020702175203.A93252@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <3D202495.8070609@web.de> <20020702175203.A93252@dragon.nuxi.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien writes: > On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 11:44:53AM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > (Of course), I entcountered some problems of which most were solved by > > upgrading to 7.2 firmware. > > Where does one find SRM now days? ftp.compaq.com isn't really answering > right now. Nor is gatekeeper.dec.com. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/index.html And it has an HP logo now. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 18:45:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1552237B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACA743E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0252.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.252] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17PZCZ-0001iw-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 21:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:44:07 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This discussion would probably be incredibly interesting to the "Open Ports" people... Jan Lentfer wrote: [ ... ] I find what you've chosen to quote and not quote very interesting. You suggested getting together a list of ports that work with the Compaq compiler. There is no possibility that such a list could be resonably current, maintained, and relevent. Therefore, I cut to the heart of the problem you were apparently trying to solve: availability of ports that could be compiled with the Compaq compiler. Your original posting made an incorrect assumption, that what was missing was the act of identification, and that such identification would be persistant, or at least remain valid for a significant period of time. --- So let's say that you found V volunteers. Each volunteer could manage status on M ports per month. This gives you a queue fill rate of V * M total ports/month: R(F). Call the total number of ports P. If the queue drain rate were 0, then that means your task would be complete in P/(V*M) months. So far, this is based solely on the participatory nature of the group of volunteers you assemble: it is not a case of "IF", but instead of "WHEN". But, of course, the queue drain rate is not 0; it's positive, and it case more than one contributory factor: o New ports One of the issues you have to consider is that there are new ports being added all the time. Therefore, P is not a constant, it is an increasing amount. P has a rate of increase, which we shall call R(P). Now there are two cases: your rate of fill exceeds the rate of increase of P; thus, you have a convergent series: R(P) < R(F) Or a divergent series: R(P) >= R(F) In the divergent case, your project never completes, and, in fact, loses ground relative to the total number of ports. Thus, after you start the project, a consistently decreasing percentage of ports have been vetted by your volunteers. However, this is a linear relationship; thus it's barely possible that you can keep up by increasing V, as a linear scaling factor. In other words: add volunteers. For the sake of argument, let's say that, in fact, you are capable of fielding sufficient volunteers that you can catch up with the number of total ports at some point... that, in fact, we are talking about a nominally convergent series -- in other words, let's assume that it's worthwhile to embark on your project in the first place. What are the other factors? o Updating of already vetted ports People will continue to update ports. As FreeBSD itself goes forward, ports will require new patches for include files, among other things, which will damage the ability of an already vetted port to be compiled with the Compaq compiler. At this point, we have a loss rate; this rate is equal to the rate of ports update, R(PU), multiplied by the number of already vetted ports (a linearly increasing value) divided by the number of total ports (a linearly increasing value). We have already accepted that these values are converging. Therefore, we now have an exponential rate of increase in the number of ports that will not compile with the Compaq compiler. This exponential is based on the fact that, as the number of total ports increase, the number of ports that have not been vettwed will increase, and the number of vetted ports which will be modified to the point of having invalidated the vetting, will also increase. At this point, you have a linear queue fill, with an exponential queue drain. It is not possible to overcome this. Even if you were to drive through with a high enough initial R(F) that you were able to outpace the rate of increase in new ports, R(P), and thus "catch up" with the total number of ports, at some point, the constant fractional rate of modification per port, multiplied by the number of total ports, will cause the number of updates to exceed the the "spare cycles" obtained by "catching up" with the total number of ports; i.e., you will get to the point that: R(U) > R(F)-R(P) "But wait!", you say, "The value R(U) is fractional! Not all updates will break a preexisitng vetting!". Yes, this is true, as far as it goes. However, the vetting is only valid with regard to the ports where the vet date is after the last update date (or the creation date, if there have been no previous updates). As soon as a port is updated, it becomes suspect, and must be revetted. Even if the result of this is that the vetting maintains its previous validity. HOW TO FIX THINGS So how do you escape the fact that you've built a damped, driven harmonic oscillator, where the damping force currently exceeds the driving force, but both the damping and the driving are increasing, and the total damping relative to the total driving is decreasing... and you see a point in the future where it will be overwhelmed? The answer is that you need to remove the exponential coupling for the driving force, so that both progressions are linear. We've been assuming that a large enough V will maintain the: R(P) < R(F) relationship. This is true in the decoupled case. THe way this works is that the required volunteer effort for vetting is a fraction of the effort required for inital porting. Thus we have a ratio of volunteer porters to volunteer vetters that is able to maintain a higher fractional rate of increase, so long as the ratio does not exceed some small sigma -- to return to our analogy, the increase in damping force is faster than the increase in driving force. [ there are a number of factors, like the fact that Alpha is itself a minority platform, which affect the ultimate value of sigma; but all wee care about is its value after these factors are taken into account ] How to decouple? The way you need to decouple is by enlisting people who are not volunteers as involuntary volunteers. The easiest way to do this is to enforce the use of your vetted values, and to enlist the ports volunteers themselves -- also, unwillingly -- through complaint-coupling. To do this -- to have this emergent property -- the system you devise to approach this problem needs to have the necessary attributes that cause the coupling itself to be an emergent property, while at the same time damaging the coupling effect of the ports modification. The simple way to do this is to: 1) Set the inital rules to lower participation for your own volunteers. The way to do this is to build the vetting in as a switchable preset that is there for your own people to use in the vetting process. In other words, you are building a system with the lowest sigma you can get. In this case, the way to do that is to build the Compaq compiler support into the base ports system in such a way that it is non-intrusive for other users of the ports system. I've already described how to do this. To be more generic, rather than explicitly expecting the Compaq compiler, you could also support the concept of an "ALTCC" -- an alternate compiler, being agnostic about which compiler it is. 2) Reduce the breakage rate, and retarget problem reports This is devaluation of the effect of P(U) to zero. The simplest way to do this is to permit the conversion, after the point where you "catch up", of the Compaq compiler from a permissable option to a dependency. In other words, you make the ports that *can* be compiled with the alternate compiler *prefer* the alternate compiler, initially. Then you make them *require* the alternate compiler. At this point, vetting failures as a result of R(U) are self-flagging, and generate complaints to the maintainers of the ports, not the maintainers of the vetting process. This all presumes that the initial assumption: R(P) < R(F) is true... and that you "catch up" with the total number of ports before you throw the "requires" switch. So... it;s possible to build a system with the emergent properties that you want it to have, and get those properties as an indirect, rather than a direct effect. > Again, sorry if I am not very firm with hows-and-whos of FreeBSD, but > please be a little more easy on me..... This has nothing to do with "the ways of FreeBSD"; it has to do with emergent properties of Open Source Software projects, in general, and how to manipulate the minimum necessary sets of values in order to obtain the desired results. If you start off with just a vetting list, you are doomed to failure; it is a foregone conclusion, a mathematical certainty. Likewise, if you fail to provide a mechanism for coupling the negative attractors to the other side of the equation you are writing. If you want to succeed, you will examine your queue fill and drain rates, and your pool retention time, relative to the existing system that you are attempting to leverage to obtain your results. Note that my suggested methods of achieving this are not necessariy optimal; they are, however, workable and, I think, fairly *close* to what the optimal solution would have to look like. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 19: 3:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B4937B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25DF43E0A for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:03:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.64] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PZUF-0000Ln-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 04:03:19 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 5C1801D1; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:03:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 222196F; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:03:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D225B13.7000004@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 04:01:55 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert schrieb: >Your original posting made an incorrect assumption, that what was >missing was the act of identification, and that such identification >would be persistant, or at least remain valid for a significant >period of time. > > There's your fault - my original posting didn't make any assumption at all - it was actually 2 sentences, one of them being a two word question sentence. It was the pure *idea*, a start off, call it what you want, but it sure wasn't the start off for a religious debate..... You are really overdoing things here - you are not helpfull, your postings rather seem pretty self-protrayal. Please, when you see postings of mine in the future- IGNORE THEM, I will kindly ignore yours, too Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 19:38:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BF037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9947043E31 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:38:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0617.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.44.107] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17Pa2H-0003pK-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:38:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3D22635F.A01A6ED8@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:37:19 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> <3D225B13.7000004@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=146666+0+current/freebsd-alpha http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=153169+0+current/freebsd-alpha http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=157965+0+current/freebsd-alpha http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=171498+0+current/freebsd-alpha Look, I *understand* that you would like a list to "just be there". This is a simple idea in concept, but not so simple in execution, which is what you must understand. I'm telling you that such a list is not realistically maintainable over time, and you are going to need another approach. I'm also telling you that inisisting that the list be compiled before anything else is done towards the goal, assumes once again that "it's a simple as compiling a list". This is still a gross oversimplification, and is unworkable, for the reasons I've listed. At best, you will get a transient snapshot of the data you want, which might be good enough for you, if you don't upgrade your Alpha ports tree, but isn't really good enough to get to where it needs to be, in order to be self-maintaining, or useful to the community that you are asking to do the work. If you want the work done by someone other than yourself (e.g. by setting the environment variable and attempting the compilation), the results will need to have persistent value to the community, not just one-time value to you. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jul 2 21:27:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8793437B400; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:27:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blues.jpj.net (blues.jpj.net [208.210.80.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B083143E31; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:27:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from blues.jpj.net (localhost.jpj.net [127.0.0.1]) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g634RLp7021162; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:27:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trevor@jpj.net) Received: from localhost (trevor@localhost) by blues.jpj.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) with ESMTP id g634RLW9021159; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:27:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: blues.jpj.net: trevor owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:27:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Trevor Johnson To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Christian Weisgerber , Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc In-Reply-To: <20020702163805.D70767@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: <20020703002627.F2640-100000@blues.jpj.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:20:42PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Much of the actual gains might not be due to ccc itself but rather > > to the optimized math library, libcpml. > > One can use this library with GCC, IIRC correctly. Perhaps a separate libcpml port would be worthwhile. -- Trevor Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 0:37:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725A037B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:37:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gnah.bolet.org (gnah.bolet.org [80.65.226.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3CDF43E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:37:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.org) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by gnah.bolet.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g637bIf99552 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:37:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pornin) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:37:17 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc Message-ID: <20020703093716.A99450@gnah.bolet.org> References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:20:42PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:20:42PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Much of the actual gains might not be due to ccc itself but rather > to the optimized math library, libcpml. I second that one. I once built, on a PWS 500a, the "lame" MP3 encoder with gcc. Simply linking with libcpml gave en encoder three times faster (it jumped from "barely real-time" to "33% CPU"). --Thomas Pornin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 2:23:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603E537B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:23:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.30.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5519343E4A for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wds_de@yahoo.de) Received: from smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (viruswall [194.94.30.51]) by asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA02405 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:23:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from yahoo.de (iwgraf13.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.28.193]) by smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C1341300 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:23:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D22BEEC.D129C05A@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:07:56 +0200 From: Falko Meyer Organization: FH Schmalkalden/Germany, dep. of computer science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname References: <001701c221c1$fe261ab0$9600000a@tamama> <15649.40544.867493.419695@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Floris 'Tamama' van Gog writes: > > Hi, > > > > I connected a mouse to my noname alpha running at 166Mhz, but it doesnt > > really like it much. It is a standard serial mouse, took me some to find > > one. Can someone help me make it work? At boot it already complains that > > the mouse is not present. Does the alpha have any special needs? No > > mouse prevents me to run Xwindows and I wanted to try it out :-) > > Is it attachted to sio0 or sio1? If the latter, you might want to > build a kernel without flags 0x50 for sio1. I think "at boot" should read "at SRM initialisation". I have the same problem, but I can live without X. I tried several mouse types on both ports, but SRM always complains "mouse error". Once I got some response from one (my memory says it was an old Logitech serial), but the cursor behaves very strange (post install configuration - mouse setup). A longer time ago I read something about non standard serial ports on noname and that this chapter in the handbook would be very obscure. If I remember right, there were said that the lines of the port are normally crossed, while they are straight at noname. Maybe one needs special cables to connect the board with the connector and I have standard PC ones. Greets, Falko Meyer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 2:37: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4F8237B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:37:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lyra.enemy.org (lyra.enemy.org [62.116.11.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B7A043E58 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:37:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Received: (qmail 28091 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 09:38:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO satanii.enemy.org) (62.116.11.3) by lyra.enemy.org with SMTP; 3 Jul 2002 09:38:06 -0000 Received: from satanii.enemy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g639axtF012634; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:36:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Message-Id: <200207030936.g639axtF012634@satanii.enemy.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Falko Meyer Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname In-reply-to: wds_de's message of Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:07:56 +0200. <3D22BEEC.D129C05A@yahoo.de> X-Sig1: This Message is MIME-less... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:36:59 +0200 From: "Chris J. Mutter" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, [snip] > > > the mouse is not present. Does the alpha have any special needs? No > > > mouse prevents me to run Xwindows and I wanted to try it out :-) > > > > Is it attachted to sio0 or sio1? If the latter, you might want to > > build a kernel without flags 0x50 for sio1. > > I think "at boot" should read "at SRM initialisation". > I have the same problem, but I can live without X. > I tried several mouse types on both ports, but SRM always complains > "mouse error". Once I got some response from one (my memory says it was > an old Logitech serial), but the cursor behaves very strange (post [snip] did you try PS/2 mouses? my alphaserver 400 only wants PS/2 keyboard&mouse i.e. later, cjm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 2:43:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340FF37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.30.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F7F43E54 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wds_de@yahoo.de) Received: from smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (viruswall [194.94.30.51]) by asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA02638 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from yahoo.de (iwgraf13.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.28.193]) by smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF5C41300 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:43:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D22C38D.D1968480@yahoo.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 11:27:41 +0200 From: Falko Meyer Organization: FH Schmalkalden/Germany, dep. of computer science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname References: <200207030936.g639axtF012634@satanii.enemy.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Chris J. Mutter" wrote: > did you try PS/2 mouses? my alphaserver 400 only wants PS/2 keyboard&mouse > i.e. I would have to, but I couldn't find a PS/2 connector somewhere (Am I that blind?). The funny thing is, that the kernel finds PS/2 stuff at boot. Greets, Falko Meyer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 5:30:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD69837B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B9743E3B for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 05:30:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 17PjHD-00013J-00; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 14:30:31 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g63BvHoU076558 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:57:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g63BvHV1076553 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:57:17 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <001701c221c1$fe261ab0$9600000a@tamama> <15649.40544.867493.419695@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22BEEC.D129C05A@yahoo.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Falko Meyer wrote: > > > At boot it already complains that the mouse is not present. > I think "at boot" should read "at SRM initialisation". SRM only checks for a PS/2 mouse. The complaint is harmless. Using a serial mouse is entirely within the domain of FreeBSD. > A longer time ago I read something about non standard serial ports on > noname and that this chapter in the handbook would be very obscure. This probably refers to the pin-out of the on-board connectors, but there is no standard for these in the PC world either. > Maybe one needs special cables to connect the board with the > connector Obviously you need ones that go with the board pin-out. > and I have standard PC ones. No such thing. Since the board pin-out is documented in section 2.2.2.16 of the AXPpci33 manual, you can easily verify if the cable is correct, check out alternative cables, or solder your own. http://www.linuxalpha.org/docs/pci33dg.pdf -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 6: 0:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8125437B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:00:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C90143E42 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g63D0KMa067195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:00:22 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g63D0JFJ076197 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:00:20 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g63D0JXC076196; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:00:19 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:00:18 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname Message-ID: <20020703130018.GW70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <001701c221c1$fe261ab0$9600000a@tamama> <15649.40544.867493.419695@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22BEEC.D129C05A@yahoo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:57:13AM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Falko Meyer wrote: > > > > > At boot it already complains that the mouse is not present. > > I think "at boot" should read "at SRM initialisation". > > SRM only checks for a PS/2 mouse. The complaint is harmless. > Using a serial mouse is entirely within the domain of FreeBSD. > > > A longer time ago I read something about non standard serial ports on > > noname and that this chapter in the handbook would be very obscure. > > This probably refers to the pin-out of the on-board connectors, but > there is no standard for these in the PC world either. > > > Maybe one needs special cables to connect the board with the > > connector > > Obviously you need ones that go with the board pin-out. > > > and I have standard PC ones. > > No such thing. PC cables are usually one of two different pinouts. NoName uses the (much) less often used one. If you just took a random PC cable it's most likely wrong. > Since the board pin-out is documented in section 2.2.2.16 of the > AXPpci33 manual, you can easily verify if the cable is correct, > check out alternative cables, or solder your own. The boards were manufactured for the OEM market were it doesn't matter. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 7: 4:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682DB37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F3E43E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:04:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.206.134] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PkkL-0005et-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:04:42 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id CA7721CF for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 3D3C7126 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:04:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D230423.4000007@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 16:03:15 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Mozilla compilation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, did anyone finally mangage to compile mozilla on Alpha? I searched the NGs and it seems it just doesn't work. Any news on this topic? Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 8:12:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF3F37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731CD43E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:12:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.206.134] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PloB-00029d-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:12:43 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 7C89A1CF for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:12:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 402BC126 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:12:39 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:11:20 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Size of Alpha binaries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, this may be a dumb question, but why are Alpha-binaries so much bigger than x86-bins? I compared some files in /bin and found that the Alpha-binaries are at least 30% bigger, sometimes even twice as big. Is there any (understandable) technical explanation? Thanks in advance, Jan Lentfer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 8:17:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14FA37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:17:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E32143E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:17:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id C211D534A; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:17:47 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Jul 2002 17:17:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > this may be a dumb question, but why are Alpha-binaries so much bigger > than x86-bins? I compared some files in /bin and found that the > Alpha-binaries are at least 30% bigger, sometimes even twice as big. > Is there any (understandable) technical explanation? Alpha is a 64-bit platform, i386 is a 32-bit platform. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 8:21:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB76437B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A2243E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:21:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.206.134] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PlwI-0004kb-00; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:21:06 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id BDD411CF; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:21:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 9FB38126; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:21:02 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 17:19:43 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav schrieb: >Jan Lentfer writes: > > >>this may be a dumb question, but why are Alpha-binaries so much bigger >>than x86-bins? I compared some files in /bin and found that the >>Alpha-binaries are at least 30% bigger, sometimes even twice as big. >>Is there any (understandable) technical explanation? >> >> > >Alpha is a 64-bit platform, i386 is a 32-bit platform. > > Thanks :-), I knew that, but how does this cause bigger binaries? Sorry, but this really isn't obvious for me, I am not very deep into stuff like this. Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 8:24:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D6337B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:24:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1CB343E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 29E59534A; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:24:24 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Jul 2002 17:24:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > Dag-Erling Smorgrav schrieb: > > Alpha is a 64-bit platform, i386 is a 32-bit platform. > Thanks :-), I knew that, but how does this cause bigger binaries? Think about it: all pointers are twice as large; some integer types are larger; structures and static data have more padding; instructions that involve pointers or integer literals (e.g. function calls) are larger... DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 9: 2:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B36137B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5843D43E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:02:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g63G2RMa069092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:02:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g63G2RFJ013316 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:02:27 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g63G2RYw013315; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:02:27 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:02:26 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 05:24:23PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Jan Lentfer writes: > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav schrieb: > > > Alpha is a 64-bit platform, i386 is a 32-bit platform. > > Thanks :-), I knew that, but how does this cause bigger binaries? > > Think about it: all pointers are twice as large; some integer types > are larger; structures and static data have more padding; instructions > that involve pointers or integer literals (e.g. function calls) are > larger... And it's a RISC architecture no complex instructions - that means you often need more instructions. And all instructions are equal in length, while i386 has some shorter instructions. Finaly the gcc on 4.x does a lot of padding. gcc-3.1 compiled binaries are usually smaller. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 9:18: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53BB237B401 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC25C43E84 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:17:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.206.134] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17PmpJ-0005tE-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:17:57 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id B35051D5 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:17:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 3290573 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:17:52 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D232360.4080106@web.de> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:16:32 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know my questions are not really FreeBSD related, but I don't where else to ask them, so I hope you forgive me. Now, I bought this PWS 500a and I would really like to know how much CPU Cache is installed. How can I find out? And is there a way to upgrade this in a PWS? Many Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 9:21:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D99A37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6351C43E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g63GLJMa069353 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:21:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g63GLJFJ013476 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:21:20 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g63GLJ5V013475; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:21:19 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 18:21:19 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020703162119.GD70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D232360.4080106@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D232360.4080106@web.de> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:16:32PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > I know my questions are not really FreeBSD related, but I don't where > else to ask them, so I hope you forgive me. Now, I bought this PWS 500a > and I would really like to know how much CPU Cache is installed. How can > I find out? And is there a way to upgrade this in a PWS? A show config in SRM should tell you. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 9:25:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F0137B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:25:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D99543E42 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g63GPcXu008212; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:25:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g63GPb5d008211; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:25:37 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020703092537.A8178@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D232360.4080106@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D232360.4080106@web.de>; from Jan.Lentfer@web.de on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:16:32PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:16:32PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > I know my questions are not really FreeBSD related, but I don't where > else to ask them, so I hope you forgive me. Now, I bought this PWS 500a > and I would really like to know how much CPU Cache is installed. How can > I find out? And is there a way to upgrade this in a PWS? At the SRM prompt: show conf | more To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 9:26:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CFC37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (poptart.bithose.com [208.171.236.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 972F943E42 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:26:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g63GQJke002148; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id g63GQJIt002145; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Jameel Akari To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries In-Reply-To: <20020703162119.GD70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I know my questions are not really FreeBSD related, but I don't where > > else to ask them, so I hope you forgive me. Now, I bought this PWS 500a > > and I would really like to know how much CPU Cache is installed. How can > > I find out? And is there a way to upgrade this in a PWS? It is possible to upgrade, IIRC, because the cache is on a small daughtercard that plugs in next to the CPU. The guy who sold me my PW500 said he came across spare/upgrade cache modules form time to time but it's not exactly a commodity item. #!/jameel/akari for zig in $(find / -name zig); do rm -f "$zig"; done; export GREAT_JUSTICE=1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 15:12: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F91337B400; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1198143E31; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g63MC3Jc002584; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g63MC3fP002583; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:03 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020704001203.E258@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D232360.4080106@web.de> <20020703092537.A8178@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020703092537.A8178@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 09:25:37AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 09:25:37AM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 06:16:32PM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > I know my questions are not really FreeBSD related, but I don't where > > else to ask them, so I hope you forgive me. Now, I bought this PWS 500a > > and I would really like to know how much CPU Cache is installed. How can > > I find out? And is there a way to upgrade this in a PWS? > > At the SRM prompt: show conf | more A PWS can have a 2MB and a 8MB (IIRC it was 8) cache module. I used to have 2MB modules in mine. In doing buildworld tests with and without the 2MB cache on a 600MHz PWS I observed something like a 10-15% wall clock elapsed time improvement. If you want to have a recent measurement please ask des@freebsd.org, he now owns one of my 2 PWSs ;) -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 15:13: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FDF37B401 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:13:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309AE43E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g63MCqJc002601; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g63MCqD6002600; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:12:52 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jameel Akari Cc: Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020704001252.F258@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020703162119.GD70344@cicely5.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jakari@bithose.com on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 12:26:19PM -0400 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 12:26:19PM -0400, Jameel Akari wrote: > > > > I know my questions are not really FreeBSD related, but I don't where > > > else to ask them, so I hope you forgive me. Now, I bought this PWS 500a > > > and I would really like to know how much CPU Cache is installed. How can > > > I find out? And is there a way to upgrade this in a PWS? > > It is possible to upgrade, IIRC, because the cache is on a small > daughtercard that plugs in next to the CPU. The guy who sold me my PW500 > said he came across spare/upgrade cache modules form time to time but it's > not exactly a commodity item. Correct. Especially the big (8MB IIRC) cache module is rare and expensive. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 15:30:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3C237B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B758243E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:30:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g63MUTJc018918; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:30:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g63MUSFO018917; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:30:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:30:26 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Falko Meyer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mouse on a Noname Message-ID: <20020704003026.D2707@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200207030936.g639axtF012634@satanii.enemy.org> <3D22C38D.D1968480@yahoo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D22C38D.D1968480@yahoo.de>; from wds_de@yahoo.de on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:27:41AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 11:27:41AM +0200, Falko Meyer wrote: > "Chris J. Mutter" wrote: > > > did you try PS/2 mouses? my alphaserver 400 only wants PS/2 keyboard&mouse > > i.e. > > I would have to, but I couldn't find a PS/2 connector somewhere (Am I > that blind?). > The funny thing is, that the kernel finds PS/2 stuff at boot. You probably have a NoName with the big DIN style keyboard connector. That model does not have a PS/2 keyboard connector at all. It does have all the logic just not the connectors in PS/2 style..... -- | / o / /_ _ FreeBSD core team secretary |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 15:33:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02C037B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1377C43E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.206.134] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17Psh8-00066c-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:33:54 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id D935028A for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:33:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id A5EB36 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:33:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D237B80.9080602@web.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 00:32:32 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D232360.4080106@web.de> <20020703092537.A8178@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien schrieb: >At the SRM prompt: show conf | more > > Well, it wasn't easy to get that, since "|" does not work on SRM with a german keyboard, but finally I got it and it says 96KByte SCache and 0MB BCache. Is it worth the hazzle to get a cache module? Cheers, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 15:35:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACC537B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04FA643E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 15:35:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g63MZ6Jc018995; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:35:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g63MZ5qe018993; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:35:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 00:35:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020704003503.F2707@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D232360.4080106@web.de> <20020703092537.A8178@dragon.nuxi.com> <3D237B80.9080602@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D237B80.9080602@web.de>; from Jan.Lentfer@web.de on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 12:32:32AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 12:32:32AM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > David O'Brien schrieb: > > >At the SRM prompt: show conf | more > > > > > Well, it wasn't easy to get that, since "|" does not work on SRM with a > german keyboard, but finally I got it and it says 96KByte SCache and 0MB > BCache. > Is it worth the hazzle to get a cache module? Worthe hassle.. 10-15% speed improvement, depends highly on the price I'd say. -- | / o / /_ _ |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 17: 3:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6349237B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net (bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8DF43E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opr@securax.org) Received: from 212-100-182-21.adsl.easynet.be ([212.100.182.21] helo=wh00tie.core.bsdaemon.be) by bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17Ptm5-0005qf-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:43:05 +0200 Subject: boot loader problems on alpha From: Pieter Danhieux To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: opr@securax.org Reply-To: opr@securax.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 04 Jul 2002 01:42:50 +0200 Message-Id: <1025739770.261.17.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS" --=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Following error appears when i'm trying to boot my just-upgraded-to-4.6-p1 alpha machine: jumping to bootstrap code Loading /boot/loader Can't open file /boot/loader i checked in the srm if his bootdef-dev was set to dkc0, and it was ... I also tried booting a floppy and using the dkc0 as rootdisk, and that worked, so the problem must be in bootstage one. "disklabel -B -b /boot/boot1 da0" didn't help also ... thx for the help .. Pieter --=20 www.bsdaemon.be - securax.org - docs.bsdaemon.be keyserver: pgpkeys.mit.edu PGP keyID: DA07EAE9 --=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMC43IChGcmVl QlNEKQoKaUQ4REJRQTlJNFJKcE9rcm85b0g2dWtSQWlRc0FKd01xelNmLzRsNHNxV2hsbWwxTEZS Q2pHUGtQd0NmWWVWZAprc21zcGdTanljYVlCOFNCYi9OSUp5ST0KPWdQdHUKLS0tLS1FTkQgUEdQ IFNJR05BVFVSRS0tLS0tCg== --=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS-- --=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA9I4v6pOkro9oH6ukRAijFAJ0WoWxbg71jIP3nX7ayb0F+44OvLACdHU2k 4W26hYX83UjDSrHFt2j7uHU= =YFxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Jul 3 17: 7: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D198637B401 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net (bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net [212.100.160.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDF043E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:06:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from opr@securax.org) Received: from 212-100-182-21.adsl.easynet.be ([212.100.182.21] helo=[192.168.2.100]) by bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17PtmP-0005r7-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:43:25 +0200 Subject: boot loader problems on alpha From: Pieter Danhieux To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Cc: opr@securax.org Reply-To: opr@securax.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Message-Id: <1025739770.261.17.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 04 Jul 2002 01:43:05 +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS" --=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Following error appears when i'm trying to boot my just-upgraded-to-4.6-p1 alpha machine: jumping to bootstrap code Loading /boot/loader Can't open file /boot/loader i checked in the srm if his bootdef-dev was set to dkc0, and it was ... I also tried booting a floppy and using the dkc0 as rootdisk, and that worked, so the problem must be in bootstage one. "disklabel -B -b /boot/boot1 da0" didn't help also ... thx for the help .. Pieter --=20 www.bsdaemon.be - securax.org - docs.bsdaemon.be keyserver: pgpkeys.mit.edu PGP keyID: DA07EAE9 --=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 LS0tLS1CRUdJTiBQR1AgU0lHTkFUVVJFLS0tLS0KVmVyc2lvbjogR251UEcgdjEuMC43IChGcmVl QlNEKQoKaUQ4REJRQTlJNFJKcE9rcm85b0g2dWtSQWlRc0FKd01xelNmLzRsNHNxV2hsbWwxTEZS Q2pHUGtQd0NmWWVWZAprc21zcGdTanljYVlCOFNCYi9OSUp5ST0KPWdQdHUKLS0tLS1FTkQgUEdQ IFNJR05BVFVSRS0tLS0tCg== --=-a3okcyHfaPKTIm2By0AS-- --=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA9I4v6pOkro9oH6ukRAijFAJ0WoWxbg71jIP3nX7ayb0F+44OvLACdHU2k 4W26hYX83UjDSrHFt2j7uHU= =YFxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-YkBCcCj/vsBAewcbP/iE-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 1:18:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 726FB37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9001943E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.125.83] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17Q1Sr-0006Yk-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 09:55:46 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 08558126; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:55:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-linnb.lan (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 53C2A6; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc From: Jan Lentfer To: Thomas Pornin Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020703093716.A99450@gnah.bolet.org> References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <20020703093716.A99450@gnah.bolet.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 04 Jul 2002 09:54:20 +0200 Message-Id: <1025769260.2073.6.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am Mit, 2002-07-03 um 09.37 schrieb Thomas Pornin: > I second that one. I once built, on a PWS 500a, the "lame" MP3 encoder > with gcc. Simply linking with libcpml gave en encoder three times faster > (it jumped from "barely real-time" to "33% CPU"). How do you do that, link against a different library then the compiler's standard? Thanks, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 1:21:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC94B37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1381A43E31 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 01:21:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.125.83] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17Q1rW-00031m-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:21:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 5BF69126; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:21:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-linnb.lan (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 43A456; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:21:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries From: Jan Lentfer To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha In-Reply-To: <20020704003503.F2707@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3D231418.1020406@web.de> <3D23160F.4070909@web.de> <20020703160226.GB70344@cicely5.cicely.de> <3D232360.4080106@web.de> <20020703092537.A8178@dragon.nuxi.com> <3D237B80.9080602@web.de> <20020704003503.F2707@freebie.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 04 Jul 2002 10:19:50 +0200 Message-Id: <1025770790.2073.17.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am Don, 2002-07-04 um 00.35 schrieb Wilko Bulte: > On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 12:32:32AM +0200, Jan Lentfer wrote: > > David O'Brien schrieb: > > > > >At the SRM prompt: show conf | more > > > > > > > > Well, it wasn't easy to get that, since "|" does not work on SRM with a > > german keyboard, but finally I got it and it says 96KByte SCache and 0MB > > BCache. > > Is it worth the hazzle to get a cache module? > > Worthe hassle.. 10-15% speed improvement, depends highly on the price > I'd say. I just found one in a web shop in the US, $243 for a 2MB module :-). That's definitley not worth it for me, I payed $249 for my whole machine ;-) Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 2:54:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0E837B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:54:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.30.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A198C43E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:54:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wds_de@yahoo.de) Received: from smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (viruswall [194.94.30.51]) by asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA13644 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:54:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from yahoo.de (iwgraf16.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.28.196]) by smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138B041300 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:54:50 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D24146B.7A906134@yahoo.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:24:59 +0200 From: Falko Meyer Organization: FH Schmalkalden/Germany, dep. of computer science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: Mouse on a Noname] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > You probably have a NoName with the big DIN style keyboard connector. > That model does not have a PS/2 keyboard connector at all. It does have > all the logic just not the connectors in PS/2 style..... Exactly that one (the case seems not to be a Digital one, so I searched for connectors on the board but also found nothing.) Greets, Falko Meyer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 2:55:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFB1337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:55:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.30.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C61D543E31 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 02:55:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wds_de@yahoo.de) Received: from smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (viruswall [194.94.30.51]) by asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA13669 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:55:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from yahoo.de (iwgraf16.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.28.196]) by smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B9741300 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:55:37 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 11:25:46 +0200 From: Falko Meyer Organization: FH Schmalkalden/Germany, dep. of computer science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-SGI [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.5 IP32) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > Well, it wasn't easy to get that, since "|" does not work on SRM with a > german keyboard, Why shouln't it work on a non english keyboard? I think one must press the key which would be the "|" on an english keyboard. I ask because it is not working one mine too (italian keyboard), but I thought it was a noname-specific problem. Greets, Falko Meyer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 4:18: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB24F37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288E843E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.125.83] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17Q4cQ-0005kx-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 13:17:50 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id A4B99126; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:17:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-linnb.lan (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 83B056; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:17:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc From: Jan Lentfer To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3D22635F.A01A6ED8@mindspring.com> References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> <3D225B13.7000004@web.de> <3D22635F.A01A6ED8@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 04 Jul 2002 13:16:22 +0200 Message-Id: <1025781382.2848.25.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am Mit, 2002-07-03 um 04.37 schrieb Terry Lambert: > Look, I *understand* that you would like a list to "just be there". > > This is a simple idea in concept, but not so simple in execution, > which is what you must understand. > > > I'm telling you that such a list is not realistically maintainable > over time, and you are going to need another approach. > > I'm also telling you that inisisting that the list be compiled > before anything else is done towards the goal, assumes once again > that "it's a simple as compiling a list". This is still a gross > oversimplification, and is unworkable, for the reasons I've listed. > > At best, you will get a transient snapshot of the data you want, > which might be good enough for you, if you don't upgrade your > Alpha ports tree, but isn't really good enough to get to where it > needs to be, in order to be self-maintaining, or useful to the > community that you are asking to do the work. > > If you want the work done by someone other than yourself (e.g. by > setting the environment variable and attempting the compilation), > the results will need to have persistent value to the community, > not just one-time value to you. Hi Terry, first off, I think I'll have to excuse for the last mail I sent, it was mostly based on a fundamental misunderstanding on my site (and being a little stressed out because of diploma exams ahead), I think. What you wrote above actually is what I would like to have and what I would like to contribute to. I didn't mean to have "a list just for me" - at the time of posting my email, in my thoughts was an interactive, public accessible list where people can write down what ports they successfully build using the compaq-cc. Of course, integrating such a thing into the ports system is by far the better approach. But from my hazy formulation you can guess that I do understand by far too little about the ports-system and how this could be integrated into it. Thus, I came up with the idea of such a list, because from my knowledge at that time it was the only obvious way in my eyes. Not knowing fundamentals makes you choose the wrong way, I guess. But one thing I still want to stress out: I didn't have the intention to let the community do the work for me. I actually thought of this as an contribution to the community from my side: setting up the list, sharing the experiences I make right now trying to install an Alpha-FreeBSD from the start using the compaq-cc wherever possible. It was the wrong approach, as I said already. But still I don't want to give up on this, but choose a different way, as you pointed out to me. I still think there would be a lot of benefit for FreeBSD-Alpha if more parts could be compiled with compaq-cc. Not that I disklike gcc, actually I don't feel to good about using ccc, but at the moment gcc is a waste of resources, being about 300% slower in floating point operations on Alpha. Again, sorry for being unreasonable harsh. But please do not let this be the reason to put down the idea on the whole. Regards, Jan Lentfer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 5:45:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1B537B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47AE43E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 05:45:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA29620; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g64CilM27139; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:44:47 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15652.17215.813278.872265@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:44:47 -0400 (EDT) To: opr@securax.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot loader problems on alpha In-Reply-To: <1025769273.259.2.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> References: <1025739770.261.17.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> <15651.43628.853445.578902@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1025769273.259.2.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pieter Danhieux writes: > On Thu, 2002-07-04 at 03:52, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > When the boostrap goes bad, you generally see much worse problems > > (like halts with out any output) You probably somehow managed to > > clobber /boot/loader when you were doing your installworld (/ full?) > > > > Did you make world or install prebuilt binaries? None of the changes > > on the 4.6 security branch goes at nywhere near the bootloader as far as > > I know. > > > > Try booting /boot/loader.old.. > > how can i make that it boots loader.old? Hit a key repeatedly after you see the SRM console start to boot. I usually use / Then you should get a Boot prompt. Type /boot/loader.old at that prompt. You didn't answer my question above -- what exactly did you do to upgrade this machine? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 6: 2:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E24437B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1CE43E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:02:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29794; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g64D1dq27167; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:01:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15652.18227.133096.786540@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:01:39 -0400 (EDT) To: opr@securax.org Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot loader problems on alpha In-Reply-To: <1025787294.259.12.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> References: <1025739770.261.17.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> <15651.43628.853445.578902@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1025769273.259.2.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> <15652.17215.813278.872265@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1025787294.259.12.camel@laptop.core.bsdaemon.be> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pieter Danhieux writes: > On Thu, 2002-07-04 at 14:44, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Pieter Danhieux writes: > > > On Thu, 2002-07-04 at 03:52, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > > > > When the boostrap goes bad, you generally see much worse problems > > > > (like halts with out any output) You probably somehow managed to > > > > clobber /boot/loader when you were doing your installworld (/ full?) > > > > > > > > Did you make world or install prebuilt binaries? None of the changes > > > > on the 4.6 security branch goes at nywhere near the bootloader as far as > > > > I know. > > > > > > > > Try booting /boot/loader.old.. > > > > > > how can i make that it boots loader.old? > > > > Hit a key repeatedly after you see the SRM console start to boot. > > I usually use / Then you should get a Boot prompt. Type > > /boot/loader.old at that prompt. > > > > You didn't answer my question above -- what exactly did you do to > > upgrade this machine? > > > > i first cvsup'd source to RELENG_4_6 From where? Drew > then cd /usr/src > make -j 7 buildworld > make -j 7 buildkernel > make installkernel > make installworld > make installworld DESTDIR=/jail/www > make installworld DESTDIR=/jail/dns > reboot > and that was the end of the alpha-box :-) > > > Drew > > > -- > www.bsdaemon.be - securax.org - docs.bsdaemon.be > keyserver: pgpkeys.mit.edu PGP keyID: DA07EAE9 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 6:21:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B1137B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DEB043E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id C2959534A; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:21:27 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Thomas Pornin , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <20020703093716.A99450@gnah.bolet.org> <1025769260.2073.6.camel@jan-linnb.lan> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 04 Jul 2002 15:21:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1025769260.2073.6.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > How do you do that, link against a different library then the compiler's > standard? Just use -lcpml instead of -lm. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 7:59:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041E337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:59:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20D143E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g64Ex8gI000614; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:59:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g64Ex8E3000613; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:59:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:59:08 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Falko Meyer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Mouse on a Noname] Message-ID: <20020704165908.B576@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3D24146B.7A906134@yahoo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D24146B.7A906134@yahoo.de>; from wds_de@yahoo.de on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 11:24:59AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 11:24:59AM +0200, Falko Meyer wrote: > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > You probably have a NoName with the big DIN style keyboard connector. > > That model does not have a PS/2 keyboard connector at all. It does have > > all the logic just not the connectors in PS/2 style..... > > Exactly that one (the case seems not to be a Digital one, so I searched > for connectors on the board but also found nothing.) Right.. nothing short of a soldering iron will fix this I'm afraid -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@tcja.nl - stichting TCJA, Arnhem |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 8: 4:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D5037B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3E943E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:04:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g64F4rgI000674; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:04:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g64F4r2a000673; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:04:53 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:04:53 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Falko Meyer Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de>; from wds_de@yahoo.de on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 11:25:46AM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 11:25:46AM +0200, Falko Meyer wrote: > > Jan Lentfer wrote: > > > Well, it wasn't easy to get that, since "|" does not work on SRM with a > > german keyboard, > > Why shouln't it work on a non english keyboard? I think one must press > the key which would be the "|" on an english keyboard. > I ask because it is not working one mine too (italian keyboard), but I > thought it was a noname-specific problem. You can set keyboard/language on the SRM level. Type SHOW to find it, the name is rather obvious (but escapes me at the moment) -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@tcja.nl - stichting TCJA, Arnhem |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 9:35:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6048A37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F55F43E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g64GZ1Ma083714 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:35:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g64GZ1FJ040174 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:35:01 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso@cicely5.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g64GZ0br040172; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:35:00 +0200 (CEST)?g (envelope-from ticso) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:35:00 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Falko Meyer , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Mouse on a Noname] Message-ID: <20020704163459.GG22014@cicely5.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <3D24146B.7A906134@yahoo.de> <20020704165908.B576@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020704165908.B576@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely5.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT i386 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 04:59:08PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 11:24:59AM +0200, Falko Meyer wrote: > > > > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > > > You probably have a NoName with the big DIN style keyboard connector. > > > That model does not have a PS/2 keyboard connector at all. It does have > > > all the logic just not the connectors in PS/2 style..... > > > > Exactly that one (the case seems not to be a Digital one, so I searched > > for connectors on the board but also found nothing.) > > Right.. nothing short of a soldering iron will fix this I'm afraid Right - the PCB is prepared to have either one AT-style keyboard connector or two PS/2 style keyboard/mouse connectors. Keep in mind that the board is AT form-factor, so you need a custom computer case to use PS/2 style connectors. But it should be possible to solder a slot blend connector to the PCB soldering fields. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 9:59:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C091337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gnah.bolet.org (gnah.bolet.org [80.65.226.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7F243E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.org) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by gnah.bolet.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g64GxU420135 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:59:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pornin) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:59:28 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020704185928.A19989@gnah.bolet.org> References: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:04:53PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:04:53PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > You can set keyboard/language on the SRM level. Type SHOW to find it, the > name is rather obvious (but escapes me at the moment) Actually, there is something fishy about that setting. I live in France and I have a French keyboard; for various reasons, I prefer my keyboard to be considered as a US keyboard (mainly, my fingers know how to type on a US keyboard). If under FreeBSD I use a US keymap, the keyboard is used as a US keyboard, and what is effectively written on the keys is completely irrelevant. However, if I declare to the SRM that the keyboard is a US one, the `| and \ key' does not work (I tried all keys, those characters are nowhere to be found). The whole keyboard is considered as a standard US keyboard by the SRM, except for that key. I don't know why. If I configure the SRM to assume a French keyboard, all keys work as they are supposed to do with a French keyboard. I observed this behaviour on all Alpha machines I could try under SRM (two PWS 500a, some XP1000, several Multia, and my current AXPpci33). --Thomas Pornin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 11:30:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3D937B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FAC43E31 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:30:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with local-bsmtp id 17QBNQ-0007OP-00; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:30:48 +0200 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g64IMGch054528 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:22:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g64IMGwr054527 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 20:22:16 +0200 (CEST) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:22:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020704185928.A19989@gnah.bolet.org> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Pornin wrote: > However, if I declare to the SRM that the keyboard is a US one, the > `| and \ key' does not work (I tried all keys, those characters are > nowhere to be found). So what do you get from the key where \ and | should be? I mean, I could imagine that the 102nd/105th key isn't mapped, but otherwise there shouldn't be any hole. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 11:57: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759BA37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:57:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cassandra.coredump.at (cassandra.coredump.at [194.235.142.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E87D743E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 11:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rupp@cassandra.coredump.at) Received: (qmail 21766 invoked by uid 1007); 4 Jul 2002 19:02:47 -0000 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:02:46 +0200 From: rupp@coredump.at To: Wilko Bulte Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020704210246.A21755@cassandra.coredump.at> References: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl>; from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:04:53PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 05:04:53PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > You can set keyboard/language on the SRM level. Type SHOW to find it, the > name is rather obvious (but escapes me at the moment) There are two variables, "language" is a number and "language_name" is a string. You have to set "language", the string is filled in by SRM. If you don't know your language number, type something obscure and SRM will complain and spit out the options. I did that today to find German (32). Wolfgang Rupp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 12:11:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD79237B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B619B43E31 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.125.83] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17QC0w-0003qx-00 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 21:11:39 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id F2DE715D for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 853C06F for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 21:11:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D249D92.9090300@web.de> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 21:10:10 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha Subject: Gnome2 buggy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, has anyone of you sucessfully installed the gnome2 port? I did just finish and everything is buggy: I can't open a Gnome Terminal, Windows look very strange (no frame and resize/minimize, etc buttons until you move them around once), can't open Sawfish configuration, and so on..... gdm does not let me log in when i turn it on it /etc/ttys, it works when I start it as root, though. Any hints appreciated, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 12:13:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CA337B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFDD43E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06001; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id g64JDHs27539; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:13:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15652.40525.520781.756250@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:13:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: Gnome2 buggy? In-Reply-To: <3D249D92.9090300@web.de> References: <3D249D92.9090300@web.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Perhaps this belongs on freebsd-gnome? Drew Jan Lentfer writes: > Hi all, > > has anyone of you sucessfully installed the gnome2 port? I did just > finish and everything is buggy: I can't open a Gnome Terminal, Windows > look very strange (no frame and resize/minimize, etc buttons until you > move them around once), can't open Sawfish configuration, and so on..... > gdm does not let me log in when i turn it on it /etc/ttys, it works when > I start it as root, though. > > Any hints appreciated, > > Jan > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 15:55:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811D437B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:55:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.rice.edu (cs.rice.edu [128.42.1.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAF443E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jnavarro@cs.rice.edu) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5B14A9B3; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:55:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cs.rice.edu (luche.cs.rice.edu [128.42.3.219]) by cs.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68634A9EC; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D24D274.B9493391@cs.rice.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:55:48 -0500 From: Juan E Navarro X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoriaki FUJIMORI Cc: freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: linux super page/alpha References: <200206250649.g5P6nwN56776@prinz.fujimori.cache.waseda.ac.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > Dear listers, > I was informed of the existence of the subject matter on > http://shimizu-lab.dt.u-tokai.ac.jp/lsp.html > > This page is written in English. > Is there any similar project on FreeBSD/alpha by somebody? Hi. I've been having fun with superpages for the past several months, and my experimentation platform is precisely FreeBSD/Alpha. The abstract of a recent paper is below. You can find the full paper at the project's web page: http://www.cs.rice.edu/~jnavarro/mitosis Feel free to ask any question you may have. Cheers. -- ++*Juan-- --------------------------------------------------------------- Practical, transparent operating system support for superpages Juan Navarro, Sitaram Iyer, Peter Druschel and Alan Cox. Abstract Most general-purpose processors provide support for memory pages of large sizes, called superpages. Superpages enable each entry in the translation lookaside buffer (TLB) to map a large physical memory region into virtual address space. This dramatically increases TLB coverage, reduces TLB misses, and promises performance improvements for many applications. However, supporting superpages poses several challenges to the operating system, in terms of superpage allocation and promotion tradeoffs, fragmentation control, etc. We analyze these issues, and propose the design of an effective superpage management system. We implement it in FreeBSD on the Alpha CPU, and evaluate it on real workloads and benchmarks. We obtain substantial performance benefits, often exceeding 30%; these benefits are sustained even under stressful workload scenarios. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 16:42: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D5537B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gnah.bolet.org (gnah.bolet.org [80.65.226.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2BC443E09 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 16:41:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pornin@bolet.org) Received: (from pornin@localhost) by gnah.bolet.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g64Nft224209 for freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:41:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from pornin) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:41:53 +0200 From: Thomas Pornin To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Message-ID: <20020705014152.A24168@gnah.bolet.org> References: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020704185928.A19989@gnah.bolet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from naddy@mips.inka.de on Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 06:22:14PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 06:22:14PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > So what do you get from the key where \ and | should be? Nothing. Just like the key wasn't connected. --Thomas Pornin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 17: 1:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0673737B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8642F43E31 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0280.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.25] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QGXH-0001iH-00; Thu, 04 Jul 2002 20:01:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3D24E191.7E4864B1@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:00:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: [PATCH] Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> <3D225B13.7000004@web.de> <3D22635F.A01A6ED8@mindspring.com> <1025781382.2848.25.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2841EAEF1E40F193604034D9" Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2841EAEF1E40F193604034D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jan Lentfer wrote: > Hi Terry, > > first off, I think I'll have to excuse for the last mail I sent, it was > mostly based on a fundamental misunderstanding on my site (and being a > little stressed out because of diploma exams ahead), I think. I'm known to exhibit excess enthusiasm. 8-). I jumped in so forcefully because I really liked your base idea -- getting everything (that could be) compiled with the Compaq compiler. > What you wrote above actually is what I would like to have and what I > would like to contribute to. I didn't mean to have "a list just for me" > - at the time of posting my email, in my thoughts was an interactive, > public accessible list where people can write down what ports they > successfully build using the compaq-cc. Of course, integrating such a > thing into the ports system is by far the better approach. But from my > hazy formulation you can guess that I do understand by far too little > about the ports-system and how this could be integrated into it. Thus, I > came up with the idea of such a list, because from my knowledge at that > time it was the only obvious way in my eyes. Not knowing fundamentals > makes you choose the wrong way, I guess. The BSD ports system has a pretty serious barrier to entry, particularly if you are trying to wire something into an area as fundamental as compiler choice. Which version of FreeBSD are you running? Here are baseline patches for your /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk, taken against the RELEASE_4_5_0 ports collection. I don't think there are significant changes vs. 4.6. They only modify the C compiler, not the C++ or FORTRAN, etc.; if that's included with the Compaq compiler (too big for my poor modem for me to check, at this time), then you may also need to set the CXX and uncomment the two lines in the patch. -- In order for this to work, you can set things in the Makefile for the specific port, globally (good only for testing, mostly), etc.. Here are the knobs: PREFER_COMPAQ_CC= yes This prefers the Compaq C compiler, only if it's installed. If it's not installed, then it falls back to the default compiler; otherwise it sets USE_COMPAQ_CC. I don't know if this will actually work; see the patch for the test for where the compiler is supposedly installed. If it's actually installed there, then this will work; otherwise, the patch will need to be tweaked USE_COMPAQ_CC= yes This forces the use of the Compaq C compiler. If it's not installed, it will install it for you. The port will not proceed without the Compaq C compiler installed successfully. This doesn't reference any paths I'm not sure of for your version of FreeBSD, and will *always* work (but the compiler might not, for a particular port ;^)). -- My recommendation would be to verify that the knobs work by setting them globally in the /etc/make.conf, and try rebuilding a port (e.g. your "bash"). If they work, then we should probably ask someone to commit the changes (I am only unsure of the "PREFER"). For individual ports, I think that things should start with the port Makefile having only: PREFER_COMPAQ_CC= yes People might get upset when they try to install some small program, and end up having to install the entire Compaq C compiler. For really complex ports that just won't work well (or at all) without the Compaq compiler, then putting: USE_COMPAQ_CC= yes in the port Makefile is probably OK. Let me know if you have any problems with the patch working as advertised. -- Terry --------------2841EAEF1E40F193604034D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="compaq.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="compaq.diff" Index: bsd.port.mk =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/cvs/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk,v retrieving revision 1.397 diff -c -r1.397 bsd.port.mk *** bsd.port.mk 24 Jan 2002 01:15:03 -0000 1.397 --- bsd.port.mk 4 Jul 2002 23:56:01 -0000 *************** *** 140,145 **** --- 140,149 ---- # the system or installed from a port. # USE_GCC30 - Says that the port requires this version of gcc, either in # the system or installed from a port. + # PREFER_COMPAQ_CC - Set USE_COMPAQ_CC if it is installed, otherwise + # use the default compiler instead. + # USE_COMPAQ_CC - Says that the port requires the Compaq C compiler, + # either in the system or installed from a port. # USE_GMAKE - Says that the port uses gmake. # GMAKE - Set to path of GNU make if not in $PATH (default: gmake). # USE_AUTOMAKE - Says that the port uses automake. Implies *************** *** 915,920 **** --- 919,934 ---- CXX= g++30 BUILD_DEPENDS+= gcc30:${PORTSDIR}/lang/gcc30 MAKE_ENV+= CC=${CC} CXX=${CXX} + .endif + .if exists((${LOCALBASE}/bin/ccc( && defined(PREFER_COMPAQ_CC) + USE_COMPAQ_CC= yes + .endif + .if defined(USE_COMPAQ_CC) && (${MACHINE_ARCH} == "alpha") + CC= ccc + # CXX= ccc + BUILD_DEPENDS+= ccc:${PORTSDIR}/lang/compaq-cc + MAKE_ENV+= CC=${CC} + # MAKE_ENV+= CXX=${CXX} .endif .if defined(USE_LINUX) --------------2841EAEF1E40F193604034D9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 17: 3:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F7CD37B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E322E43E52 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7582A7D6 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3521F4C277 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:03:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2E8390F; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:03:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Juan E Navarro Cc: Yoriaki FUJIMORI , freebsd-alpha Subject: Re: linux super page/alpha In-Reply-To: <3D24D274.B9493391@cs.rice.edu> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:03:25 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020705000325.0F2E8390F@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Juan E Navarro wrote: > Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote: > > Dear listers, > > I was informed of the existence of the subject matter on > > http://shimizu-lab.dt.u-tokai.ac.jp/lsp.html > > > > This page is written in English. > > Is there any similar project on FreeBSD/alpha by somebody? > > Hi. I've been having fun with superpages for the past several > months, and my experimentation platform is precisely FreeBSD/Alpha. > > The abstract of a recent paper is below. You can find the full paper > at the project's web page: > > http://www.cs.rice.edu/~jnavarro/mitosis > > Feel free to ask any question you may have. *drool*! One and only one question: Where do we get the code? It isn't nice to tease people like that :-) Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Jul 4 22: 9:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02F837B400 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C462143E42 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2002 22:09:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.204.37] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17QLLd-000729-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 07:09:37 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 00D6428A; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:09:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 181E86F; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 07:09:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D2529B4.7010104@web.de> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 07:08:04 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thomas Pornin Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries References: <3D24149A.AE06F641@yahoo.de> <20020704170453.D576@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020704185928.A19989@gnah.bolet.org> <20020705014152.A24168@gnah.bolet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Pornin schrieb: >On Thu, Jul 04, 2002 at 06:22:14PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > >>So what do you get from the key where \ and | should be? >> >> > >Nothing. Just like the key wasn't connected. > > set language 32 works really great for me to get the german keyboard. Thanks for the hint! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 5 1:50:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367F437B401 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.30.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC0D943E09 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wds_de@yahoo.de) Received: from smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (viruswall [194.94.30.51]) by asterix.fh-schmalkalden.de (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA22722 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:50:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from yahoo.de (isray.informatik.fh-schmalkalden.de [194.94.28.167]) by smtp.fh-schmalkalden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B416041300 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:50:20 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <3D255DCB.F2679A69@yahoo.de> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:50:19 +0200 From: Falko Meyer Organization: FH Schmalkalden/Germany, dep. of computer science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Size of Alpha binaries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > You can set keyboard/language on the SRM level. Type SHOW to find it, the > name is rather obvious (but escapes me at the moment) Thanks, but I want it to work as an US one (best for UNIX in my opinion) and besides I'm german, not italian (on the italian layout there are no {} brackets, how do they do C programming?). What I meant earlier was that the "|" key worked but I wasn't able to do a "more output". In the moment I don't remember if there was no "more" at all or it behaved like it wasn't called. I'll try it again and report. Greets, Falko Meyer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 5 4:13:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A497437B401 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:13:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB5443E3B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:13:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [217.225.204.37] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17QR21-0003l6-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:13:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 6B15229D; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:13:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from web.de (jan-winnb.lan [192.168.0.26]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 0BD5673; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:13:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3D257F10.2060605@web.de> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:12:16 +0200 From: Jan Lentfer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-AT; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020530 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> <3D225B13.7000004@web.de> <3D22635F.A01A6ED8@mindspring.com> <1025781382.2848.25.camel@jan-linnb.lan> <3D24E191.7E4864B1@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > >Let me know if you have any problems with the patch working as advertised. > >-- Terry > Hi, I am not very firm with the "patch" tool. I tried to apply the patch and I got this (see below). Is that ok? Jan ------------------------------------------------------ jan-alpha# pwd /usr/ports/Mk jan-alpha# patch bsd.port.mk compaq.diff Hmm... Looks like a context diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |Index: bsd.port.mk |=================================================================== |RCS file: /usr/cvs/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk,v |retrieving revision 1.397 |diff -c -r1.397 bsd.port.mk |*** bsd.port.mk 24 Jan 2002 01:15:03 -0000 1.397 |--- bsd.port.mk 4 Jul 2002 23:56:01 -0000 -------------------------- Patching file bsd.port.mk using Plan A... (Fascinating--this is really a new-style context diff but without the telltale extra asterisks on the *** line that usually indicate the new style...) Hunk #1 failed at 140. Hunk #2 failed at 919. 2 out of 2 hunks failed--saving rejects to bsd.port.mk.rej done jan-alpha# uname -a FreeBSD jan-alpha.lan 4.6-RELEASE-p1 FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE-p1 #0: Thu Jul 4 01:58 :36 CEST 2002 jan@jan-alpha.lan:/usr/src/sys/compile/EV56 alpha To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 5 5: 7: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FFF37B434 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postfix3-2.free.fr (postfix3-2.free.fr [213.228.0.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A89743E9B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:02:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nunux@free.fr) Received: from imp2-1.free.fr (imp2-1.free.fr [213.228.0.22]) by postfix3-2.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054951824B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by imp2-1.free.fr (Postfix, from userid 33) id B6362580FD; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:01:15 +0200 (MEST) To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Digital StorageWorks 300AA & HSZ40C Message-ID: <1025870474.3d258a8a52583@imp.free.fr> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:01:14 +0200 (MEST) From: ANTOINE Pierre References: <20020624153857.O218-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> In-Reply-To: <20020624153857.O218-100000@clubfoot.cracktown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 217.167.17.13 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks a lot to all for your help. The StorageWorks start again and disks are shown in the SRM. I've made a small doc in french for the sysadmin of the school at: http://www.imerir.com/alpha/ You can see some picture of the 2100 hardware running linux at: http://www.imerir.com/alpha/photos I may improve the documentation, make one in English and add pictures of 2100A runnning FreeBSD next year. Have a nice summer, best regards. ---------------- ANTOINE Pierre nunux@free.fr --------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 5 5:34:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DA837B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AAA343E31 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0029.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.29] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QSIH-0002Ra-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 08:34:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3D259234.46BDAF42@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 05:33:56 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: List of ports that can be compiled with compaq-cc References: <3D21F1C8.2010708@web.de> <15650.6127.427432.57976@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3D22188C.2000603@web.de> <3D222E25.62D5E4D0@mindspring.com> <3D222EF3.8070700@web.de> <3D223E91.A71CC743@mindspring.com> <3D224716.901@web.de> <3D2256E7.596D91F9@mindspring.com> <3D225B13.7000004@web.de> <3D22635F.A01A6ED8@mindspring.com> <1025781382.2848.25.camel@jan-linnb.lan> <3D24E191.7E4864B1@mindspring.com> <3D257F10.2060605@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > >Let me know if you have any problems with the patch working as advertised. > > Hi, > > I am not very firm with the "patch" tool. I tried to apply the patch and > I got this (see below). Is that ok? [ ... ] > jan-alpha# patch bsd.port.mk compaq.diff > Hmm... Looks like a context diff to me... > The text leading up to this was: > -------------------------- > |Index: bsd.port.mk > |=================================================================== > |RCS file: /usr/cvs/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk,v > |retrieving revision 1.397 > |diff -c -r1.397 bsd.port.mk > |*** bsd.port.mk 24 Jan 2002 01:15:03 -0000 1.397 > |--- bsd.port.mk 4 Jul 2002 23:56:01 -0000 > -------------------------- > Patching file bsd.port.mk using Plan A... > (Fascinating--this is really a new-style context diff but without > the telltale extra asterisks on the *** line that usually indicate > the new style...) > Hunk #1 failed at 140. > Hunk #2 failed at 919. > 2 out of 2 hunks failed--saving rejects to bsd.port.mk.rej > done No, this is not happy. This is why I asked you what the version you were running was. My patch was against RELEASE_4_5_0. The changes are obvious enough that you should be able to do them by hand -- it's one block of a small number of lines, if you ignore the comments patch at the front of the file. If you need help, then send me the /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk *off the list*, and I will hack it for you, and send it back. Then the version you are using won't matter. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 5 6: 6:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9F4637B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.icmc.usp.br (taba2.icmc.usp.br [143.107.231.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7EC43E31 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:06:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@mail.icmc.usp.br) Received: from mail.icmc.usp.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.icmc.usp.br (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g65D5B2e020369 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:05:11 -0300 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by mail.icmc.usp.br (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g65D58KU020367; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:05:08 -0300 (EST) To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <1025874308.3d2599847c85e@taba2.icmc.sc.usp.br> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:05:08 -0300 (EST) From: atoscano@icmc.usp.br MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Jul 5 6: 7:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B06F37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.icmc.usp.br (taba2.icmc.usp.br [143.107.231.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0D443E31 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 06:07:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@mail.icmc.usp.br) Received: from mail.icmc.usp.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.icmc.usp.br (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g65D5Y2e020400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:05:34 -0300 (EST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by mail.icmc.usp.br (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g65D5YXE020399; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:05:34 -0300 (EST) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe Message-ID: <1025874334.3d25999e3f7f0@taba2.icmc.sc.usp.br> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:05:34 -0300 (EST) From: atoscano@icmc.usp.br MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 3: 3:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B41E037B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D390343E09 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:03:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [80.129.115.16] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.70 #5) id 17QmPs-0000iF-00 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:03:48 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 295571CF for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:03:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jan-linnb.lan (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id E0AB76 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:03:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Patch against 4.6 bsd.port.mk From: Jan Lentfer To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-IbP0T/deARez99X8Tn/U" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 06 Jul 2002 12:02:19 +0200 Message-Id: <1025949740.2074.4.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --=-IbP0T/deARez99X8Tn/U Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I made Terry's patch fit for 4.6-Release, the diff is attached. It works as described by Terry. I succesfully build www/mmosaic with ccc by adding "PREFER_COMPAQ_CC=yes" to the ports Makefile. Jan --=-IbP0T/deARez99X8Tn/U Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=4.6-compaq-cc.diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/x-diff; name=4.6-compaq-cc.diff; charset=ISO-8859-15 145a146,149 > # PREFER_COMPAQ_CC - Set USE_COMPAQ_CC if it is installed,otherwise > # use the default compiler instead. > # USE_COMPAQ_CC - Says that the port requires the Compaq C compiler, > # either in the system or installed from a port. 939a944,954 > .if exists(/usr/bin/ccc) && defined(PREFER_COMPAQ_CC) > USE_COMPAQ_CC=3D yes > .endif > .if defined(USE_COMPAQ_CC) && (${MACHINE_ARCH} =3D=3D "alpha") > CC=3D ccc > # CXX=3D ccc > BUILD_DEPENDS+=3D ccc:${PORTSDIR}/lang/compaq-cc > MAKE_ENV+=3D CC=3D${CC} > # MAKE_ENV+=3D CXX=3D${CXX} > .endif >=20 943d957 <=20 --=-IbP0T/deARez99X8Tn/U-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 4: 9:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9CE37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C589943E31 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 04:09:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0048.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.48] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QnRq-0001X4-00; Sat, 06 Jul 2002 07:09:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3D26CFA1.B5248B2C@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 04:08:17 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch against 4.6 bsd.port.mk References: <1025949740.2074.4.camel@jan-linnb.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > Hi all, > > I made Terry's patch fit for 4.6-Release, the diff is attached. It works > as described by Terry. I succesfully build www/mmosaic with ccc by > adding "PREFER_COMPAQ_CC=yes" to the ports Makefile. > > Jan FWIW: I would like to see this committed for the Alpha. This will allow people who want to get things working with the Compaq C compiler to add the flag above to the Makefile. For people who have not installed the Compaq C compiler, it will make no difference to the behaviour of the ports system, and it will not impact i386 at all, since it checks to make sure that it's Alpha architecture before allowing use of the compiler. Thanks very much to Jan for the original good idea of getting things working with the Compaq compiler where possible, and for the work necessary to bring the patch up to date vs. bsd.ports.mk. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 7:13: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E36B37B400; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 07:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA8343E42; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 07:13:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g66ED4LX077989; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:13:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g66ED4nC077988; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:13:04 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:13:03 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David O'Brien" Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020706161303.A77960@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20020630191443.A36002@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020630124513.C71627@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020630124513.C71627@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 12:45:13PM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.6-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 12:45:13PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:14:43PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > > about as fast as 486s running current: > > > > how about removing TC support from -current and from -current only? > > I've got that commit ready to go... but maybe I should let Drew's reponce > to this time out first. Apart from a diversion in this thread to discuss Multias/NoNames (which have no TC so...) I think the consensus is to axe TC. David, would you do the honors, as you have prepared it already? -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Arnhem, the Netherlands To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 12:49:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1613337B400; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A5643E31; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E2D2A7D6; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523BF4C242; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CDF3808; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:49:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: "David O'Brien" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <20020706161303.A77960@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:49:10 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020706194910.C4CDF3808@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 12:45:13PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 30, 2002 at 07:14:43PM +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > > Given that Turbochannel support and support for the machines that have > > > TC buses has been left to rot AND the machines that have TC are > > > about as fast as 486s running current: > > > > > > how about removing TC support from -current and from -current only? > > > > I've got that commit ready to go... but maybe I should let Drew's reponce > > to this time out first. > > Apart from a diversion in this thread to discuss Multias/NoNames > (which have no TC so...) I think the consensus is to axe TC. > > David, would you do the honors, as you have prepared it already? Putting emotion aside for a moment, NetBSD seem to get a lot more joy out of keeping aging hardware up and running than we do. I would wager that come 5.0-R, NetBSD will run a lot more happily on such older hardware than FreeBSD will since 5.x is being developed on bigger/faster boxes. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 13:36:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BC637B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0542D43E31 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g66KaFoi049590; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g66KaEwZ049589; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 13:36:14 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Wilko Bulte , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? Message-ID: <20020706203614.GB93536@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020706161303.A77960@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20020706194910.C4CDF3808@overcee.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020706194910.C4CDF3808@overcee.wemm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > David, would you do the honors, as you have prepared it already? Oh, it is going this weekend, don't worry. :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 15:52: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA05937B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.92.13.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733FA43E31 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g66Mq7oi050684; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g66Mq6qi050683; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 15:52:06 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: Jan Lentfer , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch against 4.6 bsd.port.mk Message-ID: <20020706225206.GB50490@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org References: <1025949740.2074.4.camel@jan-linnb.lan> <3D26CFA1.B5248B2C@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D26CFA1.B5248B2C@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 04:08:17AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > FWIW: I would like to see this committed for the Alpha. Please forward this to portmgr@freebsd.org. One can only commit to bsd.port.mk with their approval. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 16:49:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBB437B405; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1423143E42; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:49:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from mailhost.feral.com (mjacob@mailhost.feral.com [192.67.166.1]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g66NmMO85484; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:48:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Peter Wemm Cc: Wilko Bulte , "David O'Brien" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: <20020706194910.C4CDF3808@overcee.wemm.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Putting emotion aside for a moment, NetBSD seem to get a lot more joy out > of keeping aging hardware up and running than we do. I would wager that > come 5.0-R, NetBSD will run a lot more happily on such older hardware than > FreeBSD will since 5.x is being developed on bigger/faster boxes. Don't count on that last statement being true. NetBSD is being developed for a much broader range of boxes than FreeBSD. This includes aging sun2s and VAXes through ia64 and Dreamcast and SH3 systems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 22:40:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C5037B400; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57D8443E42; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 22:40:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0140.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.140] helo=mindspring.com) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17R4m8-0002bP-00; Sun, 07 Jul 2002 01:40:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3D27D404.F66C3A8@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 22:39:16 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Peter Wemm , Wilko Bulte , David O'Brien , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Putting emotion aside for a moment, NetBSD seem to get a lot more joy out > > of keeping aging hardware up and running than we do. I would wager that > > come 5.0-R, NetBSD will run a lot more happily on such older hardware than > > FreeBSD will since 5.x is being developed on bigger/faster boxes. > > Don't count on that last statement being true. NetBSD is being developed for a > much broader range of boxes than FreeBSD. This includes aging sun2s and VAXes > through ia64 and Dreamcast and SH3 systems. And AMD Hammer, which might actually be purchasable in stores some time around 2010. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Jul 6 23:45:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF9D37B400; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F29C43E09; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D3022A7F2; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80DB4C4E1; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:45:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9ED3808; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Wilko Bulte , "David O'Brien" , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC: removing Turbochannel support for 5.0-current? In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 23:45:09 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20020707064509.9B9ED3808@overcee.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > Putting emotion aside for a moment, NetBSD seem to get a lot more joy out > > of keeping aging hardware up and running than we do. I would wager that > > come 5.0-R, NetBSD will run a lot more happily on such older hardware than > > FreeBSD will since 5.x is being developed on bigger/faster boxes. > > Don't count on that last statement being true. NetBSD is being developed for a > much broader range of boxes than FreeBSD. This includes aging sun2s and VAXes > through ia64 and Dreamcast and SH3 systems. You are misinterpreting my statements. I said: NetBSD will run a lot more happily on such older hardware and 5.x is being developed on bigger/faster boxes Both are true. Note, I didn't say "faster than NetBSD". I was talking about the fact that FreeBSD is being developed on faster rather than slower machines. A few folks have old/antique systems around (myself included) and check that things still work. But that is far from using them on a daily basis to squeeze every last erg out of them. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message