From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 30 9:51:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFD537B401; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [216.187.105.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E93D43E65; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:51:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4203E3F4B; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:51:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-database@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:49:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Any Oracle 9 users? A test please... Reply-To: freebsd-database@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3D984877.19685.801EEC30@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Followups to freebsd-database@freebsd.org please! Any Oracle 9 users out there? I need this run: BEGIN; SELECT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP; -- wait 5 seconds SELECT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP; Are those two timestamps the same? Thanks -- Dan Langille I'm looking for a computer job: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 30 10: 3:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1814F37B401; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smashpow.com (mail.smashpow.net [216.235.9.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B7743E42; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:03:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drek@smashpow.net) Received: from mail.smashpow.net (mail.smashpow.net [216.235.9.194]) by mail.smashpow.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E8CA46; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:03:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Agent Drek To: "freebsd-database@freebsd.org" Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Any Oracle 9 users? A test please... In-Reply-To: <3D984877.19685.801EEC30@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Dan Langille wrote: > Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:49:59 -0400 > From: Dan Langille > Reply-To: "freebsd-database@freebsd.org" > To: "freebsd-database@freebsd.org" > Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" > Subject: Any Oracle 9 users? A test please... > > Followups to freebsd-database@freebsd.org please! > > Any Oracle 9 users out there? > > I need this run: > > BEGIN; > SELECT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP; > -- wait 5 seconds > SELECT CURRENT_TIMESTAMP; > > Are those two timestamps the same? > > Thanks > Our DBA says: SQL> SELECT current_timestamp FROM DUAL; CURRENT_TIMESTAMP --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-SEP-02 01.06.42.660969 PM -04:00 SQL> SELECT current_timestamp FROM DUAL; CURRENT_TIMESTAMP --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-SEP-02 01.06.48.837372 PM -04:00 (you have to include 'from dual' for 'non-table' selects) -- Derek Marshall Smash and Pow Inc > 'digital plumber' http://www.smashpow.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 30 10:11:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE3737B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:11:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5336843E91 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g8UHBTmO047047 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:11:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8UHBTXQ047046 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:11:29 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:11:28 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Photos from Ukrainian Open Source Software Conference Message-ID: <20020930171128.GA46595@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I would like to present some photos from OSS Conference, which took place in Kiev, .ua last Saturday, 28th of September (sorry, comments are in russian): http://www.uafug.org.ua/meetings/2002/opensource/photo.html And http://www.uafug.org.ua/meetings/2002/opensource/img/oss-0012.jpg are (from left to right) sobomax@, ru@ and phantom@ P.S. uafug.org.ua is slow from outside world, so I'd appreciate if someone will mirror them on a better bandwidth. -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 30 21:59:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E029337B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.gradwell.net (white.gradwell.net [195.149.39.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9BA0943E6E for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:59:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24461 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 04:59:49 -0000 Received: from public1-stok1-5-cust38.manc.broadband.ntl.com (HELO access2.hanley.stade.co.uk) (213.106.97.38) by pop3.gradwell.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 04:59:49 -0000 Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (titus [192.168.1.5]) by access2.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g914xnRg006341; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:59:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g914xmio048573; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:59:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g914xkQY048572; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:59:46 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 05:59:46 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Photos from Ukrainian Open Source Software Conference Message-ID: <20021001055946.A47744@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org References: <20020930171128.GA46595@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20020930171128.GA46595@nevermind.kiev.ua>; from never@nevermind.kiev.ua on Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 08:11:28PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RC Organization: Yes, I need some of that. X-Phone: +(44) 1782 207338 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 08:11:28PM +0300, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > P.S. uafug.org.ua is slow from outside world, so I'd appreciate if > someone will mirror them on a better bandwidth. OK. I'll do that. Link to be announced later. From the look of it, wget is about halfway through the images at the moment. -- Adrian Wontroba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 30 22:58:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A33B37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from white.gradwell.net (white.gradwell.net [195.149.39.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F183043E65 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:58:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aw1@stade.co.uk) Received: (qmail 41270 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 05:58:26 -0000 Received: from public1-stok1-5-cust38.manc.broadband.ntl.com (HELO access2.hanley.stade.co.uk) (213.106.97.38) by pop3.gradwell.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 05:58:26 -0000 Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (titus [192.168.1.5]) by access2.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g915wPRg006415; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:58:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: from titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g915wPio049448; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:58:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk) Received: (from aw1@localhost) by titus.hanley.stade.co.uk (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g915wPET049447; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:58:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from aw1) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:58:25 +0100 From: Adrian Wontroba To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Photos from Ukrainian Open Source Software Conference Message-ID: <20021001065824.B47744@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> Reply-To: aw1@stade.co.uk Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Wontroba , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org References: <20020930171128.GA46595@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20020930171128.GA46595@nevermind.kiev.ua>; from never@nevermind.kiev.ua on Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 08:11:28PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RC Organization: Yes, I need some of that. X-Phone: +(44) 1782 207338 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 08:11:28PM +0300, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > P.S. uafug.org.ua is slow from outside world, so I'd appreciate if > someone will mirror them on a better bandwidth. > http://www.uafug.org.ua/meetings/2002/opensource/photo.html http://www.stade.co.uk/aw/mirrors/www.uafug.org.ua/meetings/2002/opensource/photo.html > And http://www.uafug.org.ua/meetings/2002/opensource/img/oss-0012.jpg http://www.stade.co.uk/aw/mirrors/www.uafug.org.ua/meetings/2002/opensource/img/oss-0012.jpg > are (from left to right) sobomax@, ru@ and phantom@ I will eventually have most of the site at: http://www.stade.co.uk/aw/mirrors/www.uafug.org.ua/ wget got more than I expected (first time user error) (8-) Do you want this mirror kept up to date? Daily? Weekly? -- Adrian Wontroba To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 30 23: 6:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F5037B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [204.57.55.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0BD43E77 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:06:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cacerola@hotpop.com) Received: from hotpop.com (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 82E13213E3A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (cntras4-076.ras.cnt.cantv.net [200.44.83.204]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39D12F8147 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 02:04:37 -0400 From: c To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: beginning Message-Id: <20021001020429.AF28.CACEROLA@hotpop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Becky! ver. 2.05.03 X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How did you begin to use FreeBSD? Me, I was surfing and read something about it, then went to the site, downloaded bin and the docs, and began to use it, 3.1 I guess. Then where I was working I installed 4.1, it had a bug in PHP I think ... I like it, it has a lot of options for everything, and cause of that it's hard to learn and master .... so many commands, so many options. Next, I'd need users to manage them (-: I don't have it installed at home right now. And right now I'm a little fed up with computers, btw. I need a break. Bye. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 1 6:16:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB3537B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590A443E4A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:16:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g91DGhmO064219; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g91DGgCt064218; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:42 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:16:42 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: Adrian Wontroba , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Photos from Ukrainian Open Source Software Conference Message-ID: <20021001131642.GC48444@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20020930171128.GA46595@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20021001065824.B47744@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021001065824.B47744@titus.hanley.stade.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Adrian Wontroba! On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:58:25AM +0100, you wrote: > I will eventually have most of the site at: > > http://www.stade.co.uk/aw/mirrors/www.uafug.org.ua/ > > wget got more than I expected (first time user error) (8-) > > Do you want this mirror kept up to date? Daily? Weekly? I'd prefer occasionally. I'll notify you when update will be needed. Thank you! -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 1 11: 4:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9238637B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tesla.foo.is (tesla.reverse-bias.org [217.151.166.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697D343E6E for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from baldur@foo.is) Received: from there (eniac.foo.is [192.168.1.25]) by tesla.foo.is (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E5BDAB59 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:03:02 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Baldur Gislason To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Mail list Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:04:12 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20021001180302.6E5BDAB59@tesla.foo.is> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My mail server was down for a couple of days and now I moved the mail to another server, seems to be working fine but I don't seem to be receiving any mail from the freebsd lists anymore. Does it automatically unsubscribe me if it gets warnings from my secondary servers about delayed delivery? Please cc me in any answer since I don't seem to be subscribed anymore. Baldur Gislason baldur@foo.is To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 1 15:23:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A50FC37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D111A43E7B for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:23:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g91MK6qu007417; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:20:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3D9A2159.4000704@401.cx> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 00:27:37 +0200 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Baldur Gislason Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail list References: <20021001180302.6E5BDAB59@tesla.foo.is> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Baldur Gislason wrote: > My mail server was down for a couple of days and now I moved the mail to > another server, seems to be working fine but I don't seem to be receiving any > mail from the freebsd lists anymore. Does it automatically unsubscribe me if > it gets warnings from my secondary servers about delayed delivery? > Please cc me in any answer since I don't seem to be subscribed anymore. > > Baldur Gislason > baldur@foo.is > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message Try sending the command 'which baldur@foo.is' to majordomo@freebsd.org (if baldur@foo.is is the address you subscribed to the list). Majordomo will then reply with a list of which lists that address is currently subscribed to. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 2 0:52:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3B6837B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebsd.giovannelli.com (freebsd.giovannelli.com [194.184.65.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F73943E42 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:52:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Received: from usul.giovannelli.it (usul.giovannelli.com [10.254.254.4]) by freebsd.giovannelli.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g937oxcA077644; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:51:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from gmarco@giovannelli.it) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093611.0210ceb0@194.184.65.4> X-Sender: gmarco@194.184.65.4 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:44:37 +0200 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Gianmarco Giovannelli Subject: RAV and paths & hier Cc: esperti@gufi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have installed the last RAV antivirus for FreeBSD. The old version rightly install in the /usr/local/rav8 . The new one pretend to install in /opt/rav /etc/rav and so on ... I wrote them an email: >>Hi, >>I downloaded the latest RAV for sendmail milter and I see that the paths >>for the files are completly wrong for a BSD sistem. >> >>It want to install in opt/rav (wrongly). >>Perhaps it is right for a linux distributions, but not for a FreeBSD one, >>where the installed package different from the base system have to live >>in /usr/local . >>The previous version was right ... >> >>Please fix it asap please ... And they answer: >Dear Sir, > >The new locations for RAV were made conforming to the new FHS 2.2 >(Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) >http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/ >Anyway, the product was released and we cannot change now this. > > >Best Regards, >Alin Dobre. >-- >Alin Dobre >Linux Technical Support Engineer - GeCAD The Software Company (this last line can explain a lot of thing :-) I am replying: >Dear sir, please make a version with the old pathname too... >In the FreeBSD hier this path is not existent and with the kernel security >modified it should also create problem. >All the port go and should go in /usr/local. STOP >If you have a FreeBSD box right you please type man hier and check if this >layout is suitable with a FreeBSD system. If you don't have one near you, >you can check also: >http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hier&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+4.6-stable&format=html > >And see if the /opt dir is there... >Having then local config in /etc tree is a nightmare ... Is a right thing to insist on old layout or it can be accepted the new (ugly) one ? Thanks for attention... Best Regards, Gianmarco Giovannelli , "Unix expert since yesterday" http://www.gufi.org/~gmarco To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 2 1: 0:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD34337B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:00:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089A643E6A for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:00:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 403D266B79; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 01:00:04 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Baldur Gislason Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mail list Message-ID: <20021002080004.GA66494@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20021001180302.6E5BDAB59@tesla.foo.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021001180302.6E5BDAB59@tesla.foo.is> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 06:04:12PM +0000, Baldur Gislason wrote: > My mail server was down for a couple of days and now I moved the mail to= =20 > another server, seems to be working fine but I don't seem to be receiving= any=20 > mail from the freebsd lists anymore. Does it automatically unsubscribe me= if=20 > it gets warnings from my secondary servers about delayed delivery? It unsubscribes you if mail bounces for an extended period. Kris --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9mqeDWry0BWjoQKURAhLJAKCiO/YOx9HLIyeelNujasomKn9GoACcCL2b IPEeLaHbP3NoIpO4dj9wBog= =tnZk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7JfCtLOvnd9MIVvH-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 2 8:48:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234C137B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821C043E6A for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:48:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g92FmGmO096736; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:48:17 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g92FmFWG096735; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:48:15 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:48:15 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Baldur Gislason , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail list Message-ID: <20021002154815.GB96339@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20021001180302.6E5BDAB59@tesla.foo.is> <20021002080004.GA66494@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021002080004.GA66494@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Kris Kennaway! On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:00:04AM -0700, you wrote: > > My mail server was down for a couple of days and now I moved the mail to > > another server, seems to be working fine but I don't seem to be receiving any > > mail from the freebsd lists anymore. Does it automatically unsubscribe me if > > it gets warnings from my secondary servers about delayed delivery? > It unsubscribes you if mail bounces for an extended period. Is it standard feature of Majordomo or where can I get info on how to add this to my majordomo lists? (I run them on UAFUG). -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 2 11:25:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8497637B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A853843E42 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:25:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021002182553.HKDM22381.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@localhost.localdomain>; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:25:53 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g92ISkMX021748; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g92ISdns021743; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:28:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: Gianmarco Giovannelli Cc: chat@freebsd.org, esperti@gufi.org Subject: Re: RAV and paths & hier References: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093611.0210ceb0@194.184.65.4> From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 02 Oct 2002 11:28:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20021002093611.0210ceb0@194.184.65.4> Message-ID: Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gianmarco Giovannelli writes: > Hi, I have installed the last RAV antivirus for FreeBSD. > The old version rightly install in the /usr/local/rav8 . The new one > pretend to install in /opt/rav /etc/rav and so on ... ... > >>Please fix it asap please ... ... > Is a right thing to insist on old layout or it can be accepted the new > (ugly) one ? I'd think that would depend on how they marketed the product. If they never say they're publishing it for use on FreeBSD, then I think one should be very polite in ASKING, please, would they make it work better on FreeBSD and maybe explain why it's to their advantage to do so. If they're trying to "sell" it for FreeBSD, then they deserve some haranguing if their product has important bugs (like yours) on FreeBSD. P.S. (extracted quote) > > The new locations for RAV were made conforming to the new FHS 2.2 > > (Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) There should be a standard for application packaging that wraps a layer around directory layout standards so each OS can ask for stuff to be installed differently. But layout seems sufficiently unimportant to me that I'd have no trouble seeing all OSes jump on the FHS bandwagon (more than they already have), even if it is messier than the FreeBSD layout. IIRC, several Unixes are already in the process of doing so. It's packaging that's important and I don't see that situation improving in any way worth worrying about until someone works it in into the security infrastructure so you don't have to trust application/installer writers so much (and many other reasons). 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Groups is subject to http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Oct 5 20:23:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EAD37B401 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-165-226-88.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.165.226.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FCD43E4A for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EBE3B66E06; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:23:36 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: Kris Kennaway , Baldur Gislason , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mail list Message-ID: <20021006032336.GA72061@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20021001180302.6E5BDAB59@tesla.foo.is> <20021002080004.GA66494@xor.obsecurity.org> <20021002154815.GB96339@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021002154815.GB96339@nevermind.kiev.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 06:48:15PM +0300, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > Hello, Kris Kennaway! >=20 > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 01:00:04AM -0700, you wrote: >=20 > > > My mail server was down for a couple of days and now I moved the mail= to=20 > > > another server, seems to be working fine but I don't seem to be recei= ving any=20 > > > mail from the freebsd lists anymore. Does it automatically unsubscrib= e me if=20 > > > it gets warnings from my secondary servers about delayed delivery? > > It unsubscribes you if mail bounces for an extended period. > Is it standard feature of Majordomo or where can I get info on how to > add this to my majordomo lists? (I run them on UAFUG). I have no idea, sorry. I've never set up/administered majordomo myself. Kris --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9n6y4Wry0BWjoQKURAl+gAJ9sUKn3ZPfTTvGc4wLDPsi8YoMa7ACeMI3N Q0A2ZXFeszApC3ymiCL67Sg= =a1Pe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message