From owner-freebsd-firewire Tue Apr 16 15:42:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from utility.clubscholarship.com (utility.clubscholarship.com [198.78.70.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0B637B417 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by utility.clubscholarship.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3GMfxi11595 for ; Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:41:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from root@utility.clubscholarship.com) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:41:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Patrick Thomas To: Subject: native firewire drives ever ? Message-ID: <20020416154105.V11150-100000@utility.clubscholarship.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just a general industry question - does anyone know if anyone is planning on introducing a native firewire IDE drive - that is, no IDE connector, no adaptor needed - just straight firewire drive ? If not, why not ? thanks, PT To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Fri Apr 19 2:35:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from adsl-208-201-233-144.sonic.net (adsl-208-201-233-144.sonic.net [208.201.233.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1BC937B41C for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (merlin@localhost) by now (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g3J9ZnF29433 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:35:49 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: root@james.brown-bird.com X-Sender: merlin@wormhole.workshop.foo To: firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: native firewire drives ever ? In-Reply-To: <20020416154105.V11150-100000@utility.clubscholarship.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, Patrick Thomas wrote: > > Just a general industry question - does anyone know if anyone is planning > on introducing a native firewire IDE drive - that is, no IDE connector, no > adaptor needed - just straight firewire drive ? Probably not. As I understand it, IDE interface chips (those on the drives, not the PC) are proven and dirt cheap and the software (drivers) is relatively simple. 1394 hardware and drivers are more complicated. And the biggest markets for disk drives - PC - all have IDE channels but not many have 1394 ports. Besides, 7200rpm ATA drives' max. transfer rates (43MB/s and growing) are getting near the max 1394a transfe rates (~48MB/s) Although multiple 1394 devices coexist on a bus much better than two ATA devices do... Hey, anyone know if the workstation makers - Sun, HP, IBM - are adopting 1394? -James To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Fri Apr 19 2:43:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC2E37B404 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 4DC514B669; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:42:59 -0700 From: Murray Stokely To: root@james.brown-bird.com Cc: firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: native firewire drives ever ? Message-ID: <20020419094259.GC10994@freebsdmall.com> References: <20020416154105.V11150-100000@utility.clubscholarship.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 02:35:49AM -0700, root@james.brown-bird.com wrote: > Hey, anyone know if the workstation makers - Sun, HP, IBM - are > adopting 1394? Sun Blade systems have been shipping with Firewire ports for about a year now. Sun sells a firewire videoconferencing kit on store.sun.com. - Murray --24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8v+aitNcQog5FH30RAhr5AKClfrY8ZdQzRYyffmLg7aDmfMwSvgCdGOBm HcO/vEzVeHk+JlB8UPdi3Ns= =zdzL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --24zk1gE8NUlDmwG9-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Fri Apr 19 3: 0:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (tokyo.ccrle.nec.de [195.37.70.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB0F437B41A for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wallace.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de (root@wallace.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de [192.168.102.1]) by tokyo.ccrle.nec.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3JA0c859942; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:00:38 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from Martin.Stiemerling@ccrle.nec.de) Received: from imap.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de (imap.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de [192.168.102.11]) by wallace.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id LAA26811; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:59:31 +0200 Received: from ccrle.nec.de (elgar.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de [192.168.102.180]) by imap.heidelberg.ccrle.nec.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux eMail Server 3.0) with ESMTP id D2B61418EB; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:59:29 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3CBFEA8C.90803@ccrle.nec.de> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:59:40 +0200 From: Martin Stiemerling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020305 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: root@james.brown-bird.com Cc: firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: native firewire drives ever ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG r . > > Hey, anyone know if the workstation makers - Sun, HP, IBM - are > adopting 1394? Dell ships some laptops, e.g. Dell Inspirion 8000, with 1394. Martin -- Martin Stiemerling NEC Europe Ltd. -- Network Laboratories Stiemerling@ccrle.nec.de IPv4: http://www.ccrle.nec.de IPv6: http://www.ipv6.ccrle.nec.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-firewire Fri Apr 19 3: 2:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-firewire@freebsd.org Received: from scuba.di-ve.com (mail2.maltanet.net [194.158.37.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9943237B419 for ; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 03:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.di-ve.com (content.di-ve.com [194.158.37.136]) by scuba.di-ve.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g3J9ZSk05672; Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:35:29 +0200 Message-Id: <200204190935.g3J9ZSk05672@scuba.di-ve.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.0 X-Originating-Ip: 80.85.96.2 X-Webmail-User: peterk@maltanet.net To: root@james.brown-bird.com Cc: firewire@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Http_host: webmail.di-ve.com From: Peter Korsten Subject: Re: native firewire drives ever ? Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:02:41 CET Reply-To: Peter Korsten Sender: owner-freebsd-firewire@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 02:35:49 -0700 (PDT) root@james.brown-bird.com wrote: > Hey, anyone know if the workstation makers - Sun, HP, IBM - are > adopting 1394? I've got two IEEE1394 ports on my Sun Blade 100 workstation. - Peter Make new friends online! Go to http://www.di-ve.com/dive/portal/portal.jhtml?pid=6200&id=6250 to start chatting. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-firewire" in the body of the message