From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 20 2:11:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kdmail.netcologne.de (kdmail.netcologne.de [194.8.194.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D186537B400 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:11:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from emre.de ([194.8.197.56]) by kdmail.netcologne.de (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 127-61375U6500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id de for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:11:07 +0100 Message-ID: <3C4A97B6.4070409@emre.de> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:11:02 +0100 From: Emre Bastuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-DE; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, despite the subject, this mail is not supposed to be a "what OS is better" kind of discussion :) Both are good. Period. I have just a couple of questions concerning the performance of those OSs when used for a high traffic webserver. I have recently moved a high traffic website from a Sun Sparc Solaris 5.8 X1 box to an Intel P3 1Ghz box with 1 Gig of RAM and FreeBSD 4.4. The machine got offline twice within 48 hours (the Solaris box had never crashed), thatīs why some tweeking on the kernel and other parameters was done. Since then the server is performing great. Question 1: Does anyone know the default values on a Solaris machine for the following kernel compilation parameters - maxusers 512 options NMBCLUSTERS=65536 and sysctl parameters - net.inet.tcp.blackhole=2 net.inet.udp.blackhole=1 net.inet.ip.rtexpire=2 net.inet.ip.rtminexpire=2 vfs.vmiodirenable=1 kern.ipc.somaxconn=4096 kern.maxfiles=65536 All those settings were obtained from various pages dealing with FreeBSD in hight traffic environments. I guess that Solaris has these settings up to high values by default, thatīs why the Solaris machine never crashed but FreeBSD did. Can anyone confirm this ? Question 2: The result of the 'top' command looks veeeeeeery different on Solaris and FreeBSD. When the Solaris box was running the webserver, the load was at about '300' - whereas FreeBSD seems to handle beautifully smooth at a load of '0.3'. Somehow this is too good to be true. Can anyone point out why thereīs such a huge difference ? Any major differences in the calculation of the load values on both systems ? Any hints are greatly appreciated ! Reagrds, Emre -- Emre Bastuz info@emre.de http://www.emre.de UIN: 561260 PGP Key ID: 0xAFAC77FD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 20 4:35:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671B437B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA16009; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:30:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:30:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Emre Bastuz Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments In-Reply-To: <3C4A97B6.4070409@emre.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Emre Bastuz wrote: > Question 1: > Does anyone know the default values on a Solaris machine for the > following kernel compilation parameters - I don't. I do know when we were running Solaris there were some parameters which we ended up tuning, not from a stability point of view, but instead from a "the defaults were too low to even run hundreds of virtual domains with separate logfiles" and similar views. I would say that the current -STABLE chain of FreeBSD has some rather low defaults for a lot of settings needed in a server environment. Out of the box, the NMBclusters, Maxusers, and also the tcp/ip window size settings are rather low. See man tuning for the tcp/ip stuff, and others which you may have overlooked. > I guess that Solaris has these settings up to high values by > default, that=B4s why the Solaris machine never crashed but > FreeBSD did. Can anyone confirm this ? I think that perhaps some of the equivalent settings are either dynamic in nature on Solaris or, as you suggested, the defaults are higher. I can't confirm this, just personal observation. > Question 2: > The result of the 'top' command looks veeeeeeery different on > Solaris and FreeBSD. >=20 > When the Solaris box was running the webserver, the load was at > about '300' - whereas FreeBSD seems to handle beautifully smooth > at a load of '0.3'. Somehow this is too good to be true. >=20 > Can anyone point out why there=B4s such a huge difference ? > Any major differences in the calculation of the load values > on both systems ? Nope. The FreeBSD box generally will handle a lot more load than a Solaris Box. This is just from personal observation. IMHO, the price/performance ratio just isn't there anymore on the Sparc hardware. We erradicated all the Sparcs from our system finally about a year ago, except for one which had our heavily customized radius server on it which we finally were able to disconnect from the net just a little bit ago. About the only place you'll run into a difference is in a Multi-proccessor vs single processor box. If you had say a 5 processor box, "normal" load values in most cases on most OS's is anything below 5. On a single processor box, anything below 1 is normal. But unless you had 300 processors in the Sparc box. The other real advantage of the Intel platform in my opinion is that if you have something blow up, the chances are that you won't have to look very far for a suitable temporary replacement.... "Oh crap, we just blew the motherboard in the web server.. Hey, why don't we just use this new machine we got for Joe until we get a replacement" - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 20 4:57:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BE837B419 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id EEB5B16B16 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:57:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from LenConrad.Go2France.com [139.92.213.85] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A24A310034E; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 14:12:42 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020120125552.044d0008@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:57:21 +0000 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: 64-bit PCI mobos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What are the recommendations for FreeBSD? Looking to use 64-bit SCSI and 64-bit ATA RAID controllers. thanks Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 20 13: 3:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CC337B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:03:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16SOW8-0004MU-00; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:24:40 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:24:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Emre Bastuz Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments In-Reply-To: <3C4A97B6.4070409@emre.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Emre Bastuz wrote: =2E.. > I have just a couple of questions concerning the performance > of those OSs when used for a high traffic webserver. I think it is important to define what "high traffic" is. 10Mbps sustained? 30Mbps? Percentage of dynamic content? =2E.. > The machine got offline twice within 48 hours (the Solaris box had never > crashed), that=B4s why some tweeking on the kernel and other parameters > was done. Since then the server is performing great. How did it crash? =2E.. > Any major differences in the calculation of the load values > on both systems ? =2E.. Calculation of the load average is not percisely the same on all UNIX variants. It can't be made the same, because the task scheduler is different in all the variants. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 20 16:16:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kdmail.netcologne.de (kdmail.netcologne.de [194.8.194.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916E337B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 16:16:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from emre.de ([194.8.197.56]) by kdmail.netcologne.de (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 127-61375U6500L550S0V35) with ESMTP id de; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:16:00 +0100 Message-ID: <3C227F39.5090702@emre.de> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 01:15:53 +0100 From: Emre Bastuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; de-DE; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Samplonius , freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Tom, > I think it is important to define what "high traffic" is. 10Mbps > sustained? 30Mbps? Percentage of dynamic content? high traffic means about 300 GB/month worth of static content in this case. >>Themachine got offline twice within 48 hours (the Solaris box had never >>crashed), thatīs why some tweeking on the kernel and other parameters >>was done. Since then the server is performing great. > How did it crash? When the box first crashed there was no tweaking done on the kernel. I just had tuned up the number of max users. After running for about an hour, the machine did not respond network wise. No ping, ssh connect, etc.. After about 30 minutes it was back there again. There had been no reboot - it seems that just the network went down and took some time to recover, /var/log/messages saying something about "limiting RST response from xxx to 200". The second crash occured after some minor tunings. After three hours it went offline for 10 minutes, the same way as before. Now, after having read some docs on further tuning it seems I have find the most suitable settings. The webserver is running for 5 days without any incident :-) Iīm still curious what caused the outage though ... Regards, Emre -- Emre Bastuz info@emre.de http://www.emre.de UIN: 561260 PGP Key ID: 0xAFAC77FD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sun Jan 20 21:26:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A450D37B417 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16SWMf-00059b-00; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:47:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 20:47:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Emre Bastuz Cc: freebsd-isp Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments In-Reply-To: <3C227F39.5090702@emre.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, Emre Bastuz wrote: > Hi Tom, >=20 > > I think it is important to define what "high traffic" is. 10Mbps > > sustained? 30Mbps? Percentage of dynamic content? >=20 > high traffic means about 300 GB/month worth of static content in this cas= e. 300GB/mo isn't too bad. I hosted a site temporarily that did about 800GB in two weeks. The client didn't want to pay anymore than $75/mo, so most of the content was removed. I would say any server doing more than a 1000GB a month is "high traffic". > >>Themachine got offline twice within 48 hours (the Solaris box had never > >>crashed), that=B4s why some tweeking on the kernel and other parameters > >>was done. Since then the server is performing great. > > How did it crash? =2E.. > I=B4m still curious what caused the outage though ... It was probably an mbuf shortage. Probably. There is also a chance it is something unrelated to tuning, and something is wrong with the server. You should check "netstat -m". The peak value should be less than the max value. You shouldn't need to go to 65,000 mbuf clusters for a 300GB/mo site. You might be wasting a lot of kernel memory. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 21 0:12:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C1037B431 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 00:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:12:48 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340DF4@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: CVSup mirror Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 16:12:47 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Who do I contact if I want to be a CVSup mirror of my region? --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 21 1:30:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mailer.plusline.de (mailer.plusline.de [213.83.24.107]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6481637B416 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:30:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by mailer.plusline.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id g0L9UTJ24420 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:30:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from top.plusline.de (top.plusline.de [212.19.59.197]) by mailer.plusline.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) with ESMTP id g0L9UPx24407 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:30:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:31:17 +0100 From: Richard Gresek Reply-To: Richard Gresek To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IPSec in Poland? Message-ID: <13800000.1011605477@top.plusline.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.1.1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, for a customer we are setting up an Europe wide VPN based on FreeBSD and IPSec. One of the locations is in Poland and somebody told us that using of encryption is prohibited by law in Poland. Does anybody know? Thanks in advance Richard Gresek To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 21 3:13:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from kuitpo.alfred.cx (kuitpo.alfred.cx [150.101.93.136]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798A937B402 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 03:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pecan.alfred.cx (pecan.alfred.cx [150.101.93.189]) by kuitpo.alfred.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id D159FBA36; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:02:37 +1030 (CST) Subject: Re: CVSup mirror From: Andrew Reid To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340DF4@apmail.dagupan.com> References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340DF4@apmail.dagupan.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 21 Jan 2002 22:43:47 +1130 Message-Id: <1011611629.785.0.camel@aviion.alfred.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 19:42, francisv@dagupan.com wrote: > Who do I contact if I want to be a CVSup mirror of my region? See http://www.freebsd.org/internal/mirror.html for information on setting up a mirror. Be prepared to pull down a "significant" amount of data from the CVS server. If you wish to make the server publicly accessible, simply open up the required ports for the services you are mirroring. If you wish to have a cvsup123.location.freebsd.org delegated to your machine, you're best to ask in freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org -- that's the mailing list for mirror-related issues. - andrew -- Andrew J. Reid "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem andrew.reid@plug.cx mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane +61 401 946 813 mittam" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 21 5:35:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20108.mail.yahoo.com (web20108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 620D137B404 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 05:35:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020121133506.9737.qmail@web20108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.227.212.161] by web20108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:35:06 CET Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:35:06 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: alternatives to rsync for mail cluster To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-cluster@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all, I've made a qmail server, I need to put another machine to mirror it in order to have a high availability cluster. I thought of vrrpd or clusterd to have the virtual ip, then rsync to the other machine for syncronize the mails. Is there a way to make the rsync procedure automatic? Have I to rsync to say i.e. every 1 minute? or 30 seconds? or is there an alternative to rsync? Any suggestions appreciated. Bye ______________________________________________________________________ Dillo con una cartolina! http://it.greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 21 9: 6:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0115137B400 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:06:49 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340DFF@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: andrew.reid@plug.cx Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: CVSup mirror Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:06:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks Andrew! I've been running cvsup-mirror for almost 6 months and life has never been easier and faster :) -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Reid [mailto:andrew.reid@plug.cx] Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:14 PM To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CVSup mirror On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 19:42, francisv@dagupan.com wrote: > Who do I contact if I want to be a CVSup mirror of my region? See http://www.freebsd.org/internal/mirror.html for information on setting up a mirror. Be prepared to pull down a "significant" amount of data from the CVS server. If you wish to make the server publicly accessible, simply open up the required ports for the services you are mirroring. If you wish to have a cvsup123.location.freebsd.org delegated to your machine, you're best to ask in freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org -- that's the mailing list for mirror-related issues. - andrew -- Andrew J. Reid "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem andrew.reid@plug.cx mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane +61 401 946 813 mittam" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Jan 21 20: 7:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777EE37B400 for ; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:07:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16SrbR-0000LV-00; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:28:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:28:02 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Richard Gresek Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IPSec in Poland? In-Reply-To: <13800000.1011605477@top.plusline.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Richard Gresek wrote: > Hi, > > for a customer we are setting up an Europe wide VPN > based on FreeBSD and IPSec. One of the locations is in > Poland and somebody told us that using of encryption is > prohibited by law in Poland. > > Does anybody know? The freebsd-isp list is probably the last place you should get legal advice. You should probably ask someone with the Polish gov't, Polish law enforcement, or break down and phone a lawyer familar with Polish law. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 22 15:51:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from vyrus.net (vyrus.net [216.26.167.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5BE37B434 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (todd@localhost) by vyrus.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0MNlaL60648 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:47:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from todd@vyrus.net) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:47:36 -0500 (EST) From: Todd To: freebsd-isp Subject: Spam issue Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings. Recently a friend of mine started receiving a lot of bounced messages to his root mail acct on a FreeBSD 4.1 machine that he has. It looks as though someone is using him as a spam relay. He is running Sendmail ver 8.11 and has relay denied. According to the times indicated on the bounced email headers, the following is an entry from his maillog that corresponds with the spamming: Jan 22 13:03:00 sendmail[8981]: g0MD30608981: from=root, size=269, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=<200201221303.g0MD30608981@friendsdomain>, relay=root@localhost Jan 22 13:03:00 sendmail[8981]: g0MD30608981: to=root, ctladdr=root (0/0), delay=00:00:00, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=local, pri=30269, dsn=2.0.0, stat=Sent Has anyone come across this? Know where to start? Thanks. - Todd To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 22 16:22:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from metva.com.au (metva.com.au [202.0.82.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B82A37B41C for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from enno@localhost) by metva.com.au id LAA08632 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:21:49 +1100 (EST) From: Enno Davids Message-Id: <200201230021.LAA08632@metva.com.au> Subject: Re: Spam issue To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:21:48 +1100 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:47:36, Todd wrote: > Recently a friend of mine started receiving a lot of bounced messages to > his root mail acct on a FreeBSD 4.1 machine that he has. It looks as > though someone is using him as a spam relay. He is running Sendmail ver > 8.11 and has relay denied. According to the times indicated on the Is it actually spam or the new trend spammers have started using, namely randomly picking addresses from their spam lists to install as From: addresses. I received a bunch of bounces 3 or so weeks back which had my email address as the sender on pieces of clear spam. My first thought was my server had been used as a relay as well but the headers of the original mail (in the bounce) made it clear it had never passed with 1 continent of my system. Also Errors-to: and Reply-to: had been set to try preventing me from seeing the evidence. In fact as far as I could tell only non-cooperative MTAs were actually sending bounces to me (notably yahoo mail). Might be worth checking if this is what you're seeing... Enno. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Jan 22 21:57:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from xela.oopz.com (xela.oopz.com [209.20.244.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3920337B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:57:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: sendmail genericstable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:57:52 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4712.0 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: sendmail genericstable Thread-Index: AcGj0uU7RUuTzlkMROuZp7+4GMP66w== From: "Noah Davidson" To: "FreeBSD-ISP List (E-mail)" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have upgraded our version of sendmail to 8.12.2, but the genericstable does not seam to reverse map, although the virtusertable mapping to users, the genericstable does not get reversed mapped. When a user sends mail it has a from address as user@maichine.domain.com. I could use a MASQUERADE_AS(`domain.com'), but this would effect all users. I want to use the genericstable. I know I had this working at one point. I had the sendmail.cf file pretty much hacked up. We had to make the mc file because it got to ugly to maintain. Anyhow now I do not have the working sendmail.cf file and the genericstable is not seaming to work. Can anyone help me please. Here is the portion of my .mc file that is relevant. FEATURE(access_db) FEATURE(blacklist_recipients) FEATURE(local_lmtp) FEATURE(mailertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/mailertable') dnl FEATURE(relay_based_on_MX) FEATURE(virtusertable, `hash -o /etc/mail/virtusertable') FEATURE(masquerade_envelope) FEATURE(genericstable, `hash -o /etc/mail/genericstable') GENERICS_DOMAIN_FILE(`/etc/mail/generics-domains') =20 FEATURE(local_procmail) =20 Thanks Noah To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 0:26:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20107.mail.yahoo.com (web20107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4D07337B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:26:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020123082653.66472.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.227.212.161] by web20107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:26:53 CET Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:26:53 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: better way to read qmail logs To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello all, is there a way to read qmail logs via web interface or some other graphics interface? We've installed qmail on a mail server but our client wants to have the logs of the mails sent, so because the qmail logs are somenthing "cryptic" for a commercial employee (AARGHH) we need something simpler. Or If not graphics also text but more verbosity. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks bye. ______________________________________________________________________ Dillo con una cartolina! http://it.greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 0:57:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.riic.uni-linz.ac.at (mail.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B54C37B400; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:57:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawkings.riic.uni-linz.ac.at (hawkings.riic.uni-linz.ac.at [140.78.161.239]) by mail.riic.uni-linz.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA15232; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:47:07 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020123093802.02452b30@postoffice.riic.at> X-Sender: hueber@postoffice.riic.at X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:47:39 +0100 To: Fabrizio Ravazzini , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Gernot Hueber Subject: Re: better way to read qmail logs Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20020123082653.66472.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From matt simersons qmail toaster, although you wont get html output: (you require qmailanalog): Convert Multilog date stamps to human readable date stamps # tai64nlocal < logfile > qmaillog.tmp Statistics about your mail queue: Feed your qmail-send output through matchup and pipe it= through a stats processor: # /usr/local/qmailanalog/bin/matchup <= /var/log/mail/send/current | /usr/local/qmailanalog/bin/z* where z* is one of the following # zddist, zdeferrals, zfailures, zoverall, zrecipients,= zrhosts, zrxdelay, zsenders, zsuccesses, zsuids At 09:26 23.01.2002 +0100, Fabrizio Ravazzini wrote: >hello all, is there a way to read qmail logs via web >interface or some other graphics interface? >We've installed qmail on a mail server but our client >wants to have the logs of the mails sent, so because >the qmail logs are somenthing "cryptic" for a >commercial employee (AARGHH) we need something >simpler. >Or If not graphics also text but more verbosity. >Any help would be appreciated. >Thanks bye. > >______________________________________________________________________ > >Dillo con una cartolina! >http://it.greetings.yahoo.com/ > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message Dipl.-Ing. Gernot Hueber Institut f=FCr Integrierte Schaltungen Freist=E4dter Strasse 315/2 A-4040 Linz Tel: +43 732 2468-7118, Fax: -7126 E-mail: hueber@riic.at To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 5:45:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7FBE37B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:45:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020123134546.1183.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.227.212.160] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:45:46 CET Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:45:46 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: Re: alternatives to rsync for mail cluster To: Axel Scheepers Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020123134808.B60686@mars.thuis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, I also thought of nfs on another machine but as you said if this one "goes down" we'll be in a big problem. We can put two machines as nfs server, yes this is good but for us too expensive. regards --- Axel Scheepers ha scritto: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 02:35:06PM +0100, Fabrizio > Ravazzini wrote: > > Hello all, I've made a qmail server, I need to put > > another machine to mirror it in order to have a > high > > availability cluster. > > I thought of vrrpd or clusterd to have the virtual > ip, > > then rsync to the other machine for syncronize the > > mails. > > Is there a way to make the rsync procedure > automatic? > > Have I to rsync to say i.e. every 1 minute? or 30 > > seconds? or is there an alternative to rsync? > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Bye > > > > Hi, > > How about sharing your mail data via nfs ? You could > set up an external data > host which shares all kind of user data which then > gets mounted by the > appropiate server. This way you can later add as > many nodes as you like, > performing simple round-robin dns techniques, and > with some small extra work > you can start clustering your web servers too. Note > that this setup isn't > fail-safe; as soon as your file server is offline, > all the other servers > can't request their data nomore. For that rsync is a > nice solution so you > can mirror the fileserver or, if just want the mail > to be clustered, your > mail server. I never did this before but I can > imagine this kind of stresses > your network and so, you should add a second NIC to > route the traffic for > rsync (I suppose clusterd handles this? Never looked > into it, but I will > ;-) I don't know how rsync performs whenever it is > ran every 30 seconds, > which I think puts up the system load instead of > lowering it. I do remember > some other mirror tools, but as I said, I never > really used this kind of > setup. To me it seems that the best solution for > rapidly changing data files > is mfs, maybe with rsync to mirror the file server > which exports the > filesystems. > Any comments are welcome. ;-) > > Gr, > > -- > Axel Scheepers > UNIX System Administrator > > email: axel@axel.truedestiny.net > ascheepers@vianetworks.nl > http://axel.truedestiny.net/~axel > ------------------------------------------ > What is worth doing is worth the trouble of asking > somebody to do. > ------------------------------------------ ______________________________________________________________________ Dillo con una cartolina! http://it.greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 5:47: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20102.mail.yahoo.com (web20102.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 15E0337B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:46:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020123134658.23511.qmail@web20102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [193.227.212.160] by web20102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:58 CET Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:46:58 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: Re: alternatives to rsync for mail cluster To: amutsch@abaid.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20020123102259.911.qmail@wap.sam.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, thanks for help, I'll study the article. and how are your firewalls? regards --- amutsch@abaid.com ha scritto: > Hello, > > I used rsync for making copies of a mailserver and > it worked > when there are not many mailboxes. I stopped using > it, since > it was quite impossible that both servers have the > same data, > mailboxes changes too fast to sync them. > Normally a reliable storage is used where both > servers are > connected. > http://www.us.vergenet.net/linux/mail_farm/ has a > nice > article how to make high volume servers and how to > deal > with backups. > Regards > Andreas > > Fabrizio Ravazzini writes: > > > Hello all, I've made a qmail server, I need to put > > another machine to mirror it in order to have a > high > > availability cluster. > > I thought of vrrpd or clusterd to have the virtual > ip, > > then rsync to the other machine for syncronize the > > mails. > > Is there a way to make the rsync procedure > automatic? > > Have I to rsync to say i.e. every 1 minute? or 30 > > seconds? or is there an alternative to rsync? > > Any suggestions appreciated. > > Bye > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Dillo con una cartolina! > > http://it.greetings.yahoo.com/ > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the > message > > > > tel +39 3355348872 > PGP key http://fap.abaid.com/TSL-GPG-KEY > ______________________________________________________________________ Dillo con una cartolina! http://it.greetings.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 6: 8:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78F2B37B417; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 06:08:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 16TO4k-0001SQ-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:08:30 +0100 Received: from ae375.pppool.de ([213.6.227.117] helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #3) id 16TO4k-0002BK-00; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:08:30 +0100 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0NDTNa03574; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:29:24 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200201231329.g0NDTNa03574@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:29:22 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: better way to read qmail logs To: freefabri@yahoo.it Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, jan@kneschke.de In-Reply-To: <20020123082653.66472.qmail@web20107.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 23 Jan, Fabrizio Ravazzini wrote: > hello all, is there a way to read qmail logs via web > interface or some other graphics interface? /usr/ports/textproc/modlogan has support for qmail logs. I haven't used any mail processor of it (only the weblogs processor), but if there's something you miss in the output of it, you can contact the author (jane@kneschke.de, CCed), hi's usually very responsive. Bye, Alexander. -- The three Rs of Microsoft support: Retry, Reboot, Reinstall. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 8:50:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.cableaz.com (mail4.cableaz.com [63.241.150.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C02A37B416 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from caz (proxy.cableaz.com [66.218.238.31]) by mail4.cableaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0NGfr036641 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:41:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Message-ID: <000b01c1a42d$c82c13e0$0c0aa8c0@caz> From: "Jeremy Buckner" To: Subject: Console settings/software? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:48:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org If I need/want to console into my FreeBSD box, do I need to load any kind of software or can I just do it. I am trying but I don't know what my settings should be (HyperTerminal). Can anyone shed light on the matter. Sorry if this is should be easy but I've never had to do it before. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 8:57: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from caturix.genilog.net (mx1.mtl.distributel.net [66.38.181.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2B637B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:57:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from colba.net (nat.MTL.distributel.NET [66.38.181.24]) by caturix.genilog.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id LAA14031 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:57:00 -0500 Message-ID: <3C4EEB6E.4B880D5D@colba.net> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:57:18 -0500 From: Paul Khavkine X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: IPX with mars_nwe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. Anyone was able to setup IPX/mars_nwe on 4.4-STABLE or 4.5 for windows clients? Thanx Paul -- ************************************************* Paul Khavkine Network Administrator Distributel Communications 740 Notre Dame West, Suite 1135 Montreal, Quebec, Canada, H3C 3X6 1-514-877-0064 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 9:11:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9D1237B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 9495 invoked by uid 3001); 23 Jan 2002 17:11:42 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by numachi.numachi.com with SMTP; 23 Jan 2002 17:11:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 47913 invoked by uid 1001); 23 Jan 2002 17:11:42 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:11:42 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Jeremy Buckner Cc: isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Console settings/software? Message-ID: <20020123121142.S2872@numachi.com> References: <000b01c1a42d$c82c13e0$0c0aa8c0@caz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000b01c1a42d$c82c13e0$0c0aa8c0@caz>; from jeremy@cableaz.com on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:48:23AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:48:23AM -0700, Jeremy Buckner wrote: > If I need/want to console into my FreeBSD box, do I need to load any kind of software or can I just > do it. 'Console', in this context, isn't a verb. :) Do you mean 'connect to the console', as distinct from 'getting a login shell'? > I am trying but I don't know what my settings should be (HyperTerminal). Can anyone shed > light on the matter. Sorry if this is should be easy but I've never had to do it before. Are you trying to connect to the FreeBSD box's serial port, or via the network? > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 9:24:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.cableaz.com (mail4.cableaz.com [63.241.150.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E75237B400 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:24:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from caz (proxy.cableaz.com [66.218.238.31]) by mail4.cableaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0NHFh042374; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:15:43 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Message-ID: <003301c1a432$7fc93f60$0c0aa8c0@caz> From: "Jeremy Buckner" To: "Brian Reichert" Cc: References: <000b01c1a42d$c82c13e0$0c0aa8c0@caz> <20020123121142.S2872@numachi.com> Subject: Re: Console settings/software? Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:22:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok I want to connect to the serial port of the box in an effort to get some sort of shell prompt and navigate through my files and such. I'm using my laptop with a 9 pin serial cable. Jeremy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Reichert" To: "Jeremy Buckner" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: Re: Console settings/software? > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:48:23AM -0700, Jeremy Buckner wrote: > > If I need/want to console into my FreeBSD box, do I need to load any kind of software or can I just > > do it. > > 'Console', in this context, isn't a verb. :) > > Do you mean 'connect to the console', as distinct from 'getting a > login shell'? > > > I am trying but I don't know what my settings should be (HyperTerminal). Can anyone shed > > light on the matter. Sorry if this is should be easy but I've never had to do it before. > > Are you trying to connect to the FreeBSD box's serial port, or via the > network? > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert > 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 > Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 17:48:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mrdida.yi.org (200-187-68-16.dialup.rjo.infolink.com.br [200.187.68.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A9D37B405 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:48:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from academica01.freeshell.org (academica01 [192.168.0.2]) by mrdida.yi.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B092325C6 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:29:09 -0200 (BRST) Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020123195058.04dd2288@pop.openlink.com.br> X-Sender: mrdida@mail.freeshell.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:27:09 -0300 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Angelo Subject: list manager Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello senhores, Do you know any unix list-manager with this capabilites ?: can access database via odbc or native sql; ( must do it ! ) can send e-mail in html format ( I think almost all of them can do it ) can subscribe and unsubscribe ( all of them do it ) we need to send a newsletter to our clients and this will done collecting data from a database running in ms-sql. obrigado, Angelo To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 17:52:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.numachi.com (numachi.numachi.com [198.175.254.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2772437B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 17:52:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 17861 invoked by uid 3001); 24 Jan 2002 01:52:15 -0000 Received: from natto.numachi.com (198.175.254.216) by numachi.numachi.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 01:52:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 51769 invoked by uid 1001); 24 Jan 2002 01:52:14 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:52:14 -0500 From: Brian Reichert To: Angelo Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: list manager Message-ID: <20020123205214.W2872@numachi.com> References: <5.0.0.25.2.20020123195058.04dd2288@pop.openlink.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20020123195058.04dd2288@pop.openlink.com.br>; from mrdida@freeshell.org on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 08:27:09PM -0300 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 08:27:09PM -0300, Angelo wrote: > Hello senhores, > > Do you know any unix list-manager with this capabilites ?: > > can access database via odbc or native sql; ( must do it ! ) > > can send e-mail in html format ( I think almost all of them can do it ) > > can subscribe and unsubscribe ( all of them do it ) > > we need to send a newsletter to our clients and this will done collecting > data from a database running in ms-sql. 'ezmlm' (see 'ezmlm.org' for details) has patches to make use of MySQL. > obrigado, > > Angelo > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- Brian 'you Bastard' Reichert 37 Crystal Ave. #303 Daytime number: (603) 434-6842 Derry NH 03038-1713 USA Intel architecture: the left-hand path To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Jan 23 20: 4:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.kconline.com (mail.kconline.com [216.241.132.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ABEA37B416 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from southerncomp (southerncomp.wilsonscorner.org [216.241.156.50]) by mail.kconline.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with SMTP id g0O43hNV091457 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:04:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from techguy@kconline.com) From: "Techguy" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:03:55 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 0:47:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from netra.netcologne.de (netra.netcologne.de [194.8.194.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E2D37B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:47:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from emre.de (sys-125.netcologne.de [194.8.193.125]) by netra.netcologne.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA19596; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:47:02 +0100 (MET) X-Ncc-Regid: de.netcologne Message-ID: <3C4FCA04.70602@emre.de> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:47:00 +0100 From: Emre Bastuz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; WinNT4.0; de-DE; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: de-DE MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: Jeremy Buckner Subject: Re: Console settings/software? References: <000b01c1a42d$c82c13e0$0c0aa8c0@caz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Jeremy, > If I need/want to console into my FreeBSD box, do I need to load any kind of software Iīve tried the same thing a couple of days ago. The main resources for this are: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/term.htm http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/serialcomms.html It all comes down to modifying /etc/ttys and change the keyword "off" to "on" in the line with the devices ttyd0 and ttyd1 (depending on which serial port of your machine you use). I still had some problems after connecting to that port with Hyperterminal, my guess is that I have just selected the wrong cabling type (Cisco rollover type). If it works for you, please let me know what changes you have made to what configuration files and what cabling you have used please :) Regards, Emre -- Emre Bastuz info@emre.de http://www.emre.de UIN: 561260 PGP Key ID: 0xEA0E2CA1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 2:25: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from jazz.seychelles.net (jazz.seychelles.net [202.84.235.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCC037B417 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:25:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from seychelles.net ([202.84.235.6]) by jazz.seychelles.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18012 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:24:57 +0400 (SCT) (envelope-from muditha@seychelles.net) Message-ID: <3C4FE041.10B255E7@seychelles.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 14:21:53 +0400 From: Muditha Gunatilake Reply-To: muditha@seychelles.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: IOS upgrade for cisco Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I know this is not a Freebsd question but would appreciate some help. I want to upgrade the IOS of my cisco 3640 using console and hyper terminal. I have downloaded the image to by computer. I can't use tftp as the network module(2FE2W) is not been recognized by the current IOS. I would like to backup my current IOS before uploading the new one. Any suggestion or guidance on this would be appreciated. cheers -- -- --------------------- Muditha Gunatilake Atlas Seychelles Ltd Phone:+248 304060 Fax :+248 324565 email: muditha@seychelles.net mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk muditha@technologist.com :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 2:50:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6A9437B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 02:50:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA29203 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:44:34 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:44:33 -0700 (MST) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: long (16 character) usernames. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Since we finally got rid of our last Solaris box, I've been considering permitting our users to be able to use longer than 8 character names - specifically up to the 16 character FreeBSD default. Has anyone else on here tried this? What problems did you run in to? Thanks. - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 3:58:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.intnet.com.cn (mail.intnet.com.cn [203.94.0.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1542837B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:58:54 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 52170 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 12:01:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WILLIAMS) (203.94.0.162) by 0 with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 12:01:15 -0000 From: "williams wang" To: , Subject: RE: IOS upgrade for cisco Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:02:17 +0800 Message-ID: <000401c1a4ce$f8841af0$a2005ecb@WILLIAMS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3C4FE041.10B255E7@seychelles.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org use zmodem in the hyper terminal. have a look at it on http://www.cisco.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Muditha Gunatilake > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 6:22 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: IOS upgrade for cisco > > > Hello, > > I know this is not a Freebsd question but would appreciate > some help. I want to upgrade the IOS of my cisco 3640 using > console and hyper terminal. I have downloaded the image to by > computer. > > I can't use tftp as the network module(2FE2W) is not been > recognized by the current IOS. > > I would like to backup my current IOS before uploading the new one. > > Any suggestion or guidance on this would be appreciated. > > > cheers > -- > -- > --------------------- > Muditha Gunatilake > Atlas Seychelles Ltd > > Phone:+248 304060 > Fax :+248 324565 > email: muditha@seychelles.net > mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk > muditha@technologist.com > :-) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 4:18:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from seahorse.island.net.au (seahorse.island.net.au [203.28.142.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1087037B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 04:18:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from r2d2 (rc.island.net.au [203.28.142.167]) by seahorse.island.net.au (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OCHss03630; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:17:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from hugh@island.net.au) Message-ID: <000901c1a4d0$ffef24e0$0bdea8c0@island.net.au> From: "Hugh Blandford" To: , References: <3C4FE041.10B255E7@seychelles.net> Subject: Re: IOS upgrade for cisco Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 23:16:48 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, you can have a look at this page: http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/software/ios111/fp111rn/aux1 11rn.htm#xtocid679929 the most important thing to do is change the port speed to 115200 unless you have a lot of time on your hands. If you do a search for "console upgrade xmodem 3600" on the cisco site you should find some more pages but the older ones seem to go into more detail. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Muditha Gunatilake" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: IOS upgrade for cisco > Hello, > > I know this is not a Freebsd question but would appreciate some help. I > want to upgrade the IOS of my cisco 3640 using console and hyper > terminal. > I have downloaded the image to by computer. > > I can't use tftp as the network module(2FE2W) is not been recognized by > the current IOS. > > I would like to backup my current IOS before uploading the new one. > > Any suggestion or guidance on this would be appreciated. > > > cheers > -- > -- > --------------------- > Muditha Gunatilake > Atlas Seychelles Ltd > > Phone:+248 304060 > Fax :+248 324565 > email: muditha@seychelles.net > mbh3gpa@afs.mcc.ac.uk > muditha@technologist.com > :-) > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 6:53:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from picard.dyn.newmillennium.net.au (CPE-61-9-173-144.vic.bigpond.net.au [61.9.173.144]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CFAC37B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:53:33 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by picard.dyn.newmillennium.net.au (8.11.6/8.11.4) id g0OEpbw88785 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:51:37 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from deece@newmillennium.net.au) Received: from spock (dhcp-191.internal [192.168.0.191]) by picard.dyn.newmillennium.net.au (8.11.6/8.9.3) with SMTP id g0OEpXj88697; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:51:35 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <005101c1a4e7$a5f545c0$bf00a8c0@internal> From: "Alastair D'Silva" To: "Wim Livens" , References: <20020109004913.GB54233@krijt.livens.net> Subject: Re: root without password ? Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:58:55 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-scanner: scanned by Inflex 0.1.5c - (http://www.inflex.co.za/) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should have a look at /usr/ports/security/sudo If they only need to do a few things, you can allow only those commands via sudo (which uses their own password), without having to give them full root access. -- Alastair D'Silva B. Sc. mob: 0413 485 733 Networking Consultant ph: (08) 9345 5223 New Millennium Networking http://www.newmillennium.net.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wim Livens" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: root without password ? > > I have a backoffice multiuser system with "friendly" users, most of > which need root access quite often. > > In order not having them to type the root password all the time when > doing su, I thought of using a passwordless root account. > > Would that be a stupid thing to do (security-wise) if the following > conditions are met: > > - only users that need root access belong to the wheel group > - you can't login as root directly via telnet (default settings) > - you can't login as root via ftp (default settings) > - no other services are enabled in inetd.conf > > regards, > > -- > Wim Livens. > C o l t B e l g i u m > "In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?" > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 7:18:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail4.cableaz.com (mail4.cableaz.com [66.218.238.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7D637B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from caz (proxy.cableaz.com [66.218.238.31]) by mail4.cableaz.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g0OFC0888784; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:12:00 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Message-ID: <002f01c1a4ea$12ff2c60$0c0aa8c0@caz> From: "Jeremy Buckner" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: References: Subject: Re: long (16 character) usernames. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:16:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I allow my users to use up to the 16 character limit and have not had any problems to date. They do everything from FTP to email. I also here that the 16 character limit can be hacked somehow to make it more, but I just haven't cared enough to try it. Jeremy Buckner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 3:44 AM Subject: long (16 character) usernames. > Since we finally got rid of our last Solaris box, I've been considering > permitting our users to be able to use longer than 8 character names - > specifically up to the 16 character FreeBSD default. > > Has anyone else on here tried this? What problems did you run in to? > > Thanks. > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 > http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 > Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 8:36:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from sunburn.cyberbeach.net (sunburn.cyberbeach.net [216.223.72.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDB137B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:36:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from breeze (kellylake100-11.sudbury.cyberbeach.net [216.104.100.11]) by sunburn.cyberbeach.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0OGaiH27898 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:36:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Andre Fortin" To: Subject: Digital RAID Adapter, FreeBSD/alpha Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:36:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I have a Digital AlphaServer 800 5/400 running FreeBSD 4.4. There is a raid adapter in the machine, but it doesnt seem to be recognized by the OS. The system itself sees the card and the attached array on boot up, but there doesnt seem to be a trace of it in the booted FBSD system.. Can anyone help me out? The card is a Digital Equipment card, FCC ID: A09-KZPSAPS, with an Intel i960 chip, and a Symbios 53C720 chip. Thanks in advance, Andre Fortin System Administrator Cyber Beach Communications/Isys Technologies apfortin@cyberbeach.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 8:50:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from infiniteloop.ca (infiniteloop.ca [216.126.86.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1F937B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by infiniteloop.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18206552; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from blake (CPE0050da7c7e5d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.101.32.246]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by infiniteloop.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3DA34B5; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:27:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Blake Crosby" To: "Forrest W. Christian" , Subject: RE: long (16 character) usernames. Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:27:23 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been using 16 character user names for 8 months now... haven't had any problems with them at all. Blake > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Forrest W. Christian > Sent: January 24, 2002 5:45 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: long (16 character) usernames. > > > Since we finally got rid of our last Solaris box, I've been considering > permitting our users to be able to use longer than 8 character names - > specifically up to the 16 character FreeBSD default. > > Has anyone else on here tried this? What problems did you run in to? > > Thanks. > > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 > http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 > Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 9:22:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC56C37B417 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:22:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA76278; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:22:38 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:22:38 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: Subject: Re: long (16 character) usernames. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Forrest W. Christian wrote: > Since we finally got rid of our last Solaris box, I've been > considering permitting our users to be able to use longer than 8 > character names - specifically up to the 16 character FreeBSD > default. > > Has anyone else on here tried this? What problems did you run in > to? I've been using up to 16-character names on my FreeBSD mail server for about three years now. I've not encountered any problems. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, and ARM architectures under development - http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 15:46:58 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (draco.over-yonder.net [198.78.58.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855A837B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 0C40AFC2; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:46:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 17:46:55 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "Forrest W. Christian" Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: long (16 character) usernames. Message-ID: <20020124174654.F2760@over-yonder.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5-fullermd.1i In-Reply-To: ; from forrestc@imach.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:44:33AM -0700 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:44:33AM -0700 I heard the voice of Forrest W. Christian, and lo! it spake thus: > Since we finally got rid of our last Solaris box, I've been considering > permitting our users to be able to use longer than 8 character names - > specifically up to the 16 character FreeBSD default. > > Has anyone else on here tried this? What problems did you run in to? I've run 16-char usernames for longer than they've been supported in released versions :-) I always patched my 2.2.* systems to allow up to 16-char; worked fine them, and I haven't even thought about it since I moved the production systems to 4.x (never ran 3.x in core systems in production much). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 16:50:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from nlaredo.globalpc.net (nld2.globalpc.net [207.193.206.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9916037B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:50:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ds9 (ds9.globalpc.net [207.193.204.57]) by nlaredo.globalpc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA50519 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:01:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adrianbsd@globalpc.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020124185142.00f443a8@globalpc.net> X-Sender: adrianbsd@globalpc.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 18:51:42 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Adrian Gonzalez Subject: Content filtering In-Reply-To: <3C4FE041.10B255E7@seychelles.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Is there any software package out there (commercial or not) to do content filtering under FreeBSD? Basically, we install FBSD for our customers in mail server/dns/firewall setups, and many have asked if there's a way for them to restrict which of their users access what on the web. I'm looking for something maybe with a web interface for configuration so that we don't have to go in and tweak settings for each customer every time they find a web site they don't want their employees accessing. Suggestions? Thanks -Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 19:15:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from falken.reliable-net.net (falken.reliable-net.net [65.88.128.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0F537B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:15:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by falken.reliable-net.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA62172; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:15:10 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sblaydes@rnetinc.net) Received: from localhost (sblaydes@localhost) by falken.reliable-net.net (8.9.3/8.9.3av) with ESMTP id WAA62128; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:15:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from sblaydes@rnetinc.net) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:15:03 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Blaydes X-Sender: sblaydes@falken.reliable-net.net To: Adrian Gonzalez Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Content filtering In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020124185142.00f443a8@globalpc.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by RNet Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Adrian Gonzalez wrote: > > Hello > > Is there any software package out there (commercial or not) to do content > filtering under FreeBSD? Basically, we install FBSD for our customers in > mail server/dns/firewall setups, and many have asked if there's a way for > them to restrict which of their users access what on the web. I'm looking > for something maybe with a web interface for configuration so that we don't > have to go in and tweak settings for each customer every time they find a > web site they don't want their employees accessing. > We went with a X-stop box from 8e6 Technologies (it runs on BSD/OS). I looked for a package to do what you are asking, but didn't have any luck. The updating seems to be a big problem. If your customer doesn't want anyone going to job hunting sites, you have to keep that filter updated as new sites pop up. Imagine how hard it is to keep up with blocking porn sites. If the customer wants just one or two sites blocked, it would be feasible to useuse software on a fbsd install to do it (though I don't know of a particular package that will), but to block a whole catagory of sites it would take too much time for most customers. Scott Blayes To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 20: 7:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from joshua.nobaloney.net (joshua.nobaloney.net [63.108.93.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B237B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:07:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobaloney.net (adsl-64-170-55-19.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.170.55.19]) (authenticated) by ns1.ns-one.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0P47NH03006; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:07:23 -0800 Message-ID: <3C50D9FE.22E6CD0D@nobaloney.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:07:26 -0800 From: Jeff Lasman Organization: nobaloney.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Samplonius , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Tom Samplonius wrote: > 300GB/mo isn't too bad. I hosted a site temporarily that did about > 800GB in two weeks. The client didn't want to pay anymore than $75/mo, so > most of the content was removed. > > I would say any server doing more than a 1000GB a month is "high > traffic". If you do the math you might notice that 500GB a month is about what T-1 can do if it runs at full-speed non-stop. Jeff -- Jeff Lasman nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 778-9980 * fax: (702) 548-9484 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 20:14:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from joshua.nobaloney.net (joshua.nobaloney.net [63.108.93.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB1437B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobaloney.net (adsl-64-170-55-19.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.170.55.19]) (authenticated) by ns1.ns-one.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0P4EDH03380 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:14:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3C50DB97.B8C201D3@nobaloney.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:14:15 -0800 From: Jeff Lasman Organization: nobaloney.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: using jail in a shell-account environment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We've found a lot of our clients and prospects who would like shell-accounts. A quick search of many search engines shows that almost no-one who offered them does anymore, presumably for good reasons. I've done only a bit of research; while I've used BSDi for a while, I've never used a free BSD operating system. I'm now considering freeBSD for this application, because of it's "jail" capability. So my questions are simply: Will jail do anything for me at all in a box dedicated to shell accounts only? What services should I definitely delete in a shell-account box? Are one of the other "free" BSDs a better solution for this application? Should I just drop the whole idea and go drink a warm cup of Dr. Pepper ? Jeff -- Jeff Lasman nobaloney.net P. O. Box 52672, Riverside, CA 92517 voice: (909) 778-9980 * fax: (702) 548-9484 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 20:51:16 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6C1137B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:51:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16TxiV-0003pm-00; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:11:55 -0800 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:11:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Jeff Lasman Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using jail in a shell-account environment In-Reply-To: <3C50DB97.B8C201D3@nobaloney.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Jeff Lasman wrote: > We've found a lot of our clients and prospects who would like > shell-accounts. A quick search of many search engines shows that almost > no-one who offered them does anymore, presumably for good reasons. It has been my experience that people use shell accounts for: - IRC bots to hold channels. Or possibly to abuse channels. It doesn't really matter which, since you will soon tire of your Internet connection from being taken down by floods designed to dislodge those bots from said channels. - Running IRC servers. Same problem as the bots. - File services. Usually to distribute warez. You should probably be aware of your legal liability under the DMCA, to respond to known unauthorized distribution. So if you are aware, but don't act, you go to jail too. - Sharing with friends. Before you know it, 25 people are using each account with logins from all over the world. - Testing rootkits and scripts. Every newbie script kiddie will test his/her new find in her/his shell account. Even if the customer isn't a script kiddie, he/she will have a friend somewhere that is. Don't wait until the shell account has been used to hack a few boxes at NASA, and the FBI is serving you with a search warrant. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 21:34:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.dev.itouchnet.net (devco.net [196.15.188.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1689C37B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:34:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with scanned_ok (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Tz2Q-000MW3-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:36:34 +0200 Received: from shell.devco.net ([196.15.188.7]) by mx1.dev.itouchnet.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16Tz2P-000MVi-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:36:33 +0200 Received: from bvi by shell.devco.net with local (Exim 3.33 #4) id 16Tz62-000DEx-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:40:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:40:18 +0200 From: Barry Irwin To: Scott Blaydes Cc: Adrian Gonzalez , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Content filtering Message-ID: <20020125074018.B41830@itouchlabs.com> References: <3.0.6.32.20020124185142.00f443a8@globalpc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from sblaydes@rnetinc.net on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 10:15:03PM -0500 X-Checked: This message has been scanned for any virusses and unauthorized attachments. X-iScan-ID: 86551-1011936994-32943@mx1.dev.itouchnet.net version $Name: REL_2_0_2 $ Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu 2002-01-24 (22:15), Scott Blaydes wrote: > > Is there any software package out there (commercial or not) to do content > > filtering under FreeBSD? Basically, we install FBSD for our customers in > > mail server/dns/firewall setups, and many have asked if there's a way for > > them to restrict which of their users access what on the web. I'm looking > > for something maybe with a web interface for configuration so that we don't > > have to go in and tweak settings for each customer every time they find a > > web site they don't want their employees accessing. I have always used squid caching proxy, it supports a really wide range of ACL's and is reliable. Unfortunately I'm not really aware of any web interfaces for configuring squid tho. Another nice system to install is nntpcache (although this requires licensing) for prroxying and filtering NNTP (news) traffic. Squid even supports transparent proxy. Combine these with appropriate firewall rules and away you go. Barry -- Barry Irwin bvi@itouchlabs.com +27214875150 Systems Administrator: Networks And Security Itouch Labs http://www.itouchlabs.com South Africa To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Jan 24 22:55:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C294937B416 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0P6sJ936296; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:54:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:54:19 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: Jeff Lasman Cc: Tom Samplonius , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments Message-ID: <20020125065419.GE35812@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <3C50D9FE.22E6CD0D@nobaloney.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C50D9FE.22E6CD0D@nobaloney.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:07:26PM -0800, Jeff Lasman thus spoke: > Tom Samplonius wrote: > > 300GB/mo isn't too bad. I hosted a site temporarily that did > > about 800GB in two weeks. The client didn't want to pay anymore > > than $75/mo, so most of the content was removed. > > I would say any server doing more than a 1000GB a month is "high > > traffic". > If you do the math you might notice that 500GB a month is about > what T-1 can do if it runs at full-speed non-stop. I think it came to about 480GB when I figured it. We are pricing a flat-rate band-width limited to 1.5Mbit/second - and showing how it makes more sense to use a dedicated machine at our site instead of paying for your own T1, UPS, etc. We've priced it so it is cheaper for most. And we guarantee that data rate will be available. Sometimes on your own T1 you don't know if you are part of a FR and will always get guaranteed bandwidth. Last time I checked the data stream was about $450 for 1.5Mb 90% useage. [about $300Mb]. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 0:21:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from support.euronet.nl (support.euronet.nl [194.134.32.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEC137B400 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 00:21:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (franst@localhost) by support.euronet.nl (8.11.3/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0P8LVN96084; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:21:32 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: support.euronet.nl: franst owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:21:31 +0100 (CET) From: Frans ter Borg X-X-Sender: franst@support.euronet.nl To: Adrian Gonzalez Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Content filtering In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20020124185142.00f443a8@globalpc.net> Message-ID: <20020125091430.G85315-100000@support.euronet.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Adrian Gonzalez wrote: > Is there any software package out there (commercial or not) to do > content filtering under FreeBSD? Basically, we install FBSD for our > customers in mail server/dns/firewall setups, and many have asked if > there's a way for them to restrict which of their users access what on > the web. I'm looking for something maybe with a web interface for > configuration so that we don't have to go in and tweak settings for each > customer every time they find a web site they don't want their employees > accessing. > > Suggestions? I was looking into this not very long ago. Combining Squid (http://www.squid-cache.org) with Squid Guard (http://www.squidguard.org), which allows you to block the sites you want. Squidguard also provides a periodically updated blacklist of sites including porn sites. Another option seems to be . Use google and search for "squid content filtering" for more options. Other useful links can be found at for example a mysql interface to ACLs. hope this helps... Frans -- Quanza Engineering B.V. www.quanza.net Frans ter Borg, Haarlemmerstraat 49-3, 1013 EK Amsterdam T:+31 6 20 444 979, F:+31 84 8704241, E:frans@quanza.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 1: 6:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C5537B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 01:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:06:39 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E40@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Jail management Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:06:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We're building services based on FreeBSD's jail system. However, the system is rather new and we're still in the process of being 'comfortable' with it. Some of the things that have crossed my mind: 1) Jail management 2) Efficient jail installs (lesser files) Can you point me to a list that discusses primarily jail under FreeBSD in a hosting environment? --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 6:56:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E653C37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 06:56:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:56:51 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E45@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Making remote dumps faster Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:56:50 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is there any other way to make remote dumps faster? I'm doing the dump on a 10mbps LAN using: /sbin/dump -0uaf - /usr | ssh -2 -c blowfish remote.host.com \ 'dd of=/dev/nrsa0' --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 7: 6:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from bilver.wjv.com (spdsl-033.wanlogistics.net [63.209.115.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D87D37B404 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:06:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0PF6KF39943; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:06:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:06:20 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making remote dumps faster Message-ID: <20020125150620.GA39917@wjv.com> Reply-To: bv@wjv.com References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E45@apmail.dagupan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E45@apmail.dagupan.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 10:56:50PM +0800, francisv@dagupan.com thus spoke: > Hi, > > Is there any other way to make remote dumps faster? I'm doing the dump on a > 10mbps LAN using: > > /sbin/dump -0uaf - /usr | ssh -2 -c blowfish remote.host.com \ > 'dd of=/dev/nrsa0' Get off a 10Mbps lan and onto 100Mbps for a start. Your effective LAN speed will problaby be under 1MB/sec given the overhead and that's pretty slow anymore. Even on my old/slow system I'm running 8MB second reading files. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 7:51: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from arthur.intraceptives.com.au (arthur.intraceptives.com.au [203.22.72.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 437B837B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:51:05 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30884 invoked by uid 20006); 25 Jan 2002 15:51:04 -0000 Received: from wwlists@intraceptives.com.au by arthur.intraceptives.com.au with qmail-scanner-1.01 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4183. . Clean. 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Processed in 1.897289 secs) Received: from wks-pc1.intraceptives.com.au (HELO athelon.intraceptives.com.au) (203.22.72.32) by arthur.intraceptives.com.au with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 15:51:02 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020126024905.04721008@arthur.intraceptives.com.au> X-Sender: wwlists@arthur.intraceptives.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 02:52:36 +1100 To: francisv@dagupan.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Warren Welch Subject: Re: Making remote dumps faster In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E45@apmail.dagupan.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:56 PM 25/01/2002 +0800, francisv@dagupan.com wrote: >Hi, > >Is there any other way to make remote dumps faster? I'm doing the dump on a >10mbps LAN using: > > /sbin/dump -0uaf - /usr | ssh -2 -c blowfish remote.host.com \ > 'dd of=/dev/nrsa0' Yeah, check out /usr/ports/misc/buffer (buffer)... I do something like this regularly:- dump -0uaf - /usr |ssh -c blowfish -l backup remote.host.com buffer -o /dev/nrsa0 Works like a charm, and speeds things up a litte... Warren =========================================================== Warren Welch Intraceptives Pty Ltd Network Engineer wwelch@intraceptives.com.au Mob: 04-14-330-336 Tel: +61-4-14-330-336 Fax: +61-2-9533-8407 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 8:20:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from backup.dagupan.com (www.psysc.org.ph [206.101.69.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 401E037B480 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by apmail.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:20:54 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E46@apmail.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: wwlists@intraceptives.com.au Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Making remote dumps faster Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:20:52 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the tip Warren. -----Original Message----- From: Warren Welch [mailto:wwlists@intraceptives.com.au] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:53 PM To: francisv@dagupan.com; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Making remote dumps faster At 10:56 PM 25/01/2002 +0800, francisv@dagupan.com wrote: >Hi, > >Is there any other way to make remote dumps faster? I'm doing the dump on a >10mbps LAN using: > > /sbin/dump -0uaf - /usr | ssh -2 -c blowfish remote.host.com \ > 'dd of=/dev/nrsa0' Yeah, check out /usr/ports/misc/buffer (buffer)... I do something like this regularly:- dump -0uaf - /usr |ssh -c blowfish -l backup remote.host.com buffer -o /dev/nrsa0 Works like a charm, and speeds things up a litte... Warren =========================================================== Warren Welch Intraceptives Pty Ltd Network Engineer wwelch@intraceptives.com.au Mob: 04-14-330-336 Tel: +61-4-14-330-336 Fax: +61-2-9533-8407 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 9: 2:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from squall.waterspout.com (squall.waterspout.com [208.13.56.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2403837B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:02:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by squall.waterspout.com (Postfix, from userid 1050) id 2CDA69B08; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:02:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:02:15 -0500 From: Will Andrews To: Tom Samplonius Cc: Jeff Lasman , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using jail in a shell-account environment Message-ID: <20020125120215.F18609@squall.waterspout.com> Reply-To: Will Andrews Mail-Followup-To: Tom Samplonius , Jeff Lasman , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <3C50DB97.B8C201D3@nobaloney.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:11:55PM -0800, Tom Samplonius wrote: > It has been my experience that people use shell accounts for: In summary, don't give shell accounts to people you don't know or trust personally. -- wca To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 9:34:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B732B37B402 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:34:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 16U9dA-000651-00; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:55:12 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:55:10 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Samplonius To: Will Andrews Cc: Jeff Lasman , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: using jail in a shell-account environment In-Reply-To: <20020125120215.F18609@squall.waterspout.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 25 Jan 2002, Will Andrews wrote: > On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 08:11:55PM -0800, Tom Samplonius wrote: > > It has been my experience that people use shell accounts for: > > In summary, don't give shell accounts to people you don't know > or trust personally. That will likely limit your potential customer base significantly. > -- > wca > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 9:51:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from indigo.quadrant.net (indigo.quadrant.net [207.195.92.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C05637B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:51:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from git2000 (56K79.quadrant.net [207.195.92.79]) by indigo.quadrant.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA20832; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:50:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Scott Gerhardt" To: , "Jeff Lasman" Cc: "Tom Samplonius" , Subject: RE: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:52:58 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <20020125065419.GE35812@wjv.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > If you do the math you might notice that 500GB a month is about > > what T-1 can do if it runs at full-speed non-stop. > > I think it came to about 480GB when I figured it. We are pricing a > flat-rate band-width limited to 1.5Mbit/second - and showing how it > makes more sense to use a dedicated machine at our site instead of > paying for your own T1, UPS, etc. We've priced it so it is cheaper > for most. And we guarantee that data rate will be available. > Sometimes on your own T1 you don't know if you are part of a FR > and will always get guaranteed bandwidth. > > Last time I checked the data stream was about $450 for 1.5Mb 90% > useage. [about $300Mb]. OT Well a T1 (1.544Mb/s) completely saturated 24/7 would yield 488GB/mo in theory. This would be ok for straignt data transfer such as FTP etc., but in a hosting environment where people are waiting for pages to load this would be unacceptable for the end user during peak times. Web traffic is extremely variable in nature, and burstable vs. total tranfer are two different beasts. I don't imagine that there are too many people surfing at 3:00am. :-) Just my two bits worth. - Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 10:14: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from root.com (root.com [209.102.106.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5B437B423 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dg@localhost) by root.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g0PHwvF67616; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dg) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:58:57 -0800 From: David Greenman To: Scott Gerhardt Cc: bv@wjv.com, Jeff Lasman , Tom Samplonius , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Solaris vs. FreeBSD in High Traffic Environments Message-ID: <20020125095857.C67365@nexus.root.com> References: <20020125065419.GE35812@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: ; from scott@gerhardt-it.com on Fri, Jan 25, 2002 at 11:52:58AM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Last time I checked the data stream was about $450 for 1.5Mb 90% > > useage. [about $300Mb]. > >OT > >Well a T1 (1.544Mb/s) completely saturated 24/7 would yield 488GB/mo in >theory. This would be ok for straignt data transfer such as FTP etc., but >in a hosting environment where people are waiting for pages to load this >would be unacceptable for the end user during peak times. Web traffic is >extremely variable in nature, and burstable vs. total tranfer are two >different beasts. I don't imagine that there are too many people surfing at >3:00am. :-) > >Just my two bits worth. Yeah, typical day-high to day-low ratio is around 3:1, so a fully used (100% for 24 hours) circuit would be about 200% oversubscribed during the daytime. ...this will suck no matter sort of traffic goes over it. One general rule of thumb is to plan to get only about 65-70% of whatever circuit capacity you're buying in order to allow for the daytime peaks without congestion. This might seem to contradict the 3:1 ratio, but actually the nighttime low is fairly short compared to the daytime highs, so circuit utilization is better than it might appear. 65% of 488GB is about 317GB. Oh, and to those who think that 1TB a month is a "high traffic" site...my companies build and operate servers that can do 100TB a month, so 1TB sounds like low traffic to me. :-) -DG David Greenman Co-founder, The FreeBSD Project - http://www.freebsd.org President, TeraSolutions, Inc. - http://www.terasolutions.com President, Download Technologies, Inc. - http://www.downloadtech.com Pave the road of life with opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Jan 25 14:21:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from hawk-systems.com (hawk-systems.com [161.58.152.235]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A61F37B41B for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:21:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cr159591a (CPE00a00cc12af5.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [24.102.18.54]) by hawk-systems.com (8.11.6) id g0PMLLV19969 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:21:23 -0700 (MST) From: dave@hawk-systems.com (Dave) To: Subject: RE: Jail management Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:21:30 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9340E40@apmail.dagupan.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org not an answer to your question... but in my experience, jail is a decent enough solution, but not really designed for large scale usage on a single machine. The overhead is just to high to sever off a 50 or 100mb environment for a bulk hosting solution. Am hoping that FreeVSD will port to FreeBSD sometime soon, though even that has its share of qwerks. FreeBSD is a great OS for hosting, but I suspect that it is a solid virtual server port that is holding it back from the mass hosting market, unless you have already chroot'ed your aps. Dave >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of francisv@dagupan.com >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 4:07 AM >To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: Jail management > > >Hi, > >We're building services based on FreeBSD's jail system. However, the system >is rather new and we're still in the process of being 'comfortable' with it. >Some of the things that have crossed my mind: > >1) Jail management >2) Efficient jail installs (lesser files) > >Can you point me to a list that discusses primarily jail under FreeBSD in a >hosting environment? > >--- > francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.dagupan.com > streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Jan 26 11:40:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from web20604.mail.yahoo.com (web20604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8D60737B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:40:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20020126194032.58203.qmail@web20604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.65.146.6] by web20604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:40:32 PST Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Mr. Darren" Subject: ftp bounce To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm trying to find a way to give users access to ftp sites they wouldn't normally have access to without giving out a username/pass. having them authenticate to me, then download directly from the ftp of their choice(as per not to cause for excess bandwidth). does this make sense, anybody have any ideas how I might accomplish this or something similar? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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