From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 2:42:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E673E37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:42:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from websites.i-p-d.NL (websites.i-p-d.nl [217.18.64.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DD143E65 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:42:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.nl) Received: from gina (3.ipdhosting.nl [217.18.64.203]) by websites.i-p-d.NL (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id g8U9gTo94457 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:42:29 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from chem@i-p-d.nl) From: chem@i-p-d.nl To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:38:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: gzip / tar files in use Message-ID: <3D9837CD.10626.136427A2@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was wondering if I can gzip and tar a directory that consists of files that are partly in use? What will happen to the files that are in use. Are they skipped? In this case I want to tar and gzip the database-directory of mysql. TIA chem To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 5:16: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F28A37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E90843E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:15:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 50720 invoked by uid 85); 30 Sep 2002 11:58:26 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-1.02 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. . Clean. Processed in 0.388718 secs); 30 Sep 2002 11:58:26 -0000 Received: from rad-va-21-pc-38.cablenet-va.com (HELO abyss) (asshole@24.197.21.38) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 11:58:26 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: , Subject: RE: gzip / tar files in use Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:15:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c2687b$1f2c0580$2615c518@psknet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <3D9837CD.10626.136427A2@localhost> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chem, This will result in an incomplete backup of your databases. I would recommend using mysqldump first, then tarr/gzip the resulting file(s). -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 - 866.477.5638 http://www.psknet.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of chem@i-p-d.nl > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:39 AM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: gzip / tar files in use > > > Hi, > > I was wondering if I can gzip and tar a directory that > consists of files that are partly in > use? What will happen to the files that are in use. Are they > skipped? In this case I > want to tar and gzip the database-directory of mysql. > > TIA > chem > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 5:34:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463EE37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from newnet.co.uk (newnet.co.uk [212.87.80.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571B043E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 05:34:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk) Received: from BONG (perry-gw-nat1-eth1.router.trident-uk.co.uk [81.3.89.49]) by newnet.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g8UCYEkW068563; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:34:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jamie@jamiesdomain.org.uk) Message-ID: <00cf01c2687d$a3c829c0$3264a8c0@BONG> Reply-To: "Jamie Heckford" From: "Jamie Heckford" To: "Troy Settle" Cc: References: <000201c2687b$1f2c0580$2615c518@psknet.com> Subject: Re: gzip / tar files in use Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:33:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Newnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I normally use PHPMyAdmin for speed when setting up simple databases that don't have things like dynamic tables, the export/backup utility in that seems to work fairly well - if your not looking for an automated backup that you can run from say a cron job. Jamie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Troy Settle" To: ; Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 1:15 PM Subject: RE: gzip / tar files in use > > Chem, > > This will result in an incomplete backup of your databases. I would > recommend using mysqldump first, then tarr/gzip the resulting file(s). > > -- > Troy Settle > Pulaski Networks > 540.994.4254 - 866.477.5638 > http://www.psknet.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of chem@i-p-d.nl > > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:39 AM > > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: gzip / tar files in use > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if I can gzip and tar a directory that > > consists of files that are partly in > > use? What will happen to the files that are in use. Are they > > skipped? In this case I > > want to tar and gzip the database-directory of mysql. > > > > TIA > > chem > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- ____________________________________________________ Message scanned for viruses and dangerous content by and believed to be clean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 6:29:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFE737B417 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.parquet-hall.ru (mail.parquet-hall.ru [212.114.10.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A5943E75 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vakuloff@parquet-hall.ru) Received: from parquet-hall.ru (vakuloff.inside.parquet-hall.ru [192.168.11.14]) by mail.parquet-hall.ru (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UDTUw76560 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO) for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:29:31 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from vakuloff@parquet-hall.ru) Message-ID: <3D98530B.4070209@parquet-hall.ru> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:35:07 +0400 From: "Vitaly N. Akuloff" Reply-To: vakuloff@parquet-hall.ru Organization: www.parquet-hall.ru User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020811 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adaptec 2400A Raidutil References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A90844EB@mailserver.dagupan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org does anybody compiled nss_ldap under FreeBSD? any hints how to patch libc with BIND IRS getpw*()? -- WBR Vitaly N. Akuloff (ICQ: 28172341) Phone: +7-095-188-9763 (10:00-19:00 MSK) +7-902-1224526 (Mobile) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 8:49:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28E437B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBDB43E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:49:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8UFnbeA081408 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:49:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Subject: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 30 Sep 2002 10:49:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of FreeBSD of too insecure. So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does support FreeBSD? Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the list with this. Many thanks, -Ken Stox stox@imagescape.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 8:59:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A289D37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.softcomca.com (relay3.softcomca.com [168.144.1.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7C443E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeremy@cableaz.com) Received: from M2W070.mail2web.com ([168.144.108.70]) by relay3.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:59:17 -0400 Message-ID: <265000-220029130155917432@M2W070.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: jeremy@cableaz.com X-Originating-IP: 66.218.238.31 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "jeremy@cableaz.com" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Dump via NFS Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2002 15:59:17.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[54B3B170:01C2689A] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know this might be unconventional but I am trying to get my FreeBSD boxe= s to backup via DUMP to a FreeBSD server set up with NFS=2E Everything works= fine on the NFS side of things (like read write) but when I actually run the dump program I get the following =20 Performing backup of /usr to /mnt/home =2E=2E=20 DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Fri Sep 27 10:11:36 2002 DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch DUMP: Dumping /dev/da0s1e (/usr) to /mnt/home DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] DUMP: estimated 7109613 tape blocks=2E DUMP: Cannot open output "/mnt/home"=2E DUMP: fopen on /dev/tty fails: Device not configured <<<<<< What does this mean and how do I fix it? DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted=2E =2E=2E backup failed! =20 Thanks, Jeremy Buckner -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 8:59:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F20E37B406 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws4-4.us4.outblaze.com (205-158-62-105.outblaze.com [205.158.62.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC86843E77 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:59:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rmon@linuxmail.org) Received: (qmail 18501 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Sep 2002 15:58:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20020930155854.18500.qmail@linuxmail.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404) Received: from [217.129.131.30] by ws4-4.us4.outblaze.com with http for rmon@linuxmail.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:58:54 +0800 From: "Paul Keith" To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:58:54 +0800 Subject: Multihoming alternatives X-Originating-Ip: 217.129.131.30 X-Originating-Server: ws4-4.us4.outblaze.com Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First I would like to apologise if this is not the place for such questions. I am looking for links/tips/'intel' on building redundant/multihomed network that sits on a /29, (to serve webpages and mail to its clients on different AS's to produce proper redundancy), without resorting to BGP configurations or coloating with a large backbone.Is this possible? How will this DNS server run in a multihomed enviroment? Is it possible to load balance across 2 or 3 DNS servers or am I being silly? -- Get your free email from www.linuxmail.org Powered by Outblaze To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 9: 7:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F127237B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jetpac.epcdirect.co.uk (mail.epcdirect.co.uk [195.10.242.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2D943E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:07:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jetpac.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 310C388F9C; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:07:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from lfarr (l-farr.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by jetpac.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6369788F9D; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:07:25 +0100 (BST) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Dump via NFS Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:07:13 +0100 Message-ID: <003401c2689b$702e7e70$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <265000-220029130155917432@M2W070.mail2web.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by EPC Direct X-Razor-id: 62debf8e5bab26ab05c462123bb6d0cced5ceaf4 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Im doing the same thing from a script, with: dump -"$dumplevel"auf $tgt/$each.$dumplevel.dmp /dev/$each Where $dumplevel is the dumplevel, $each is the partition to be dumped, and $tgt the nfs mounted store. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of jeremy@cableaz.com > Sent: 30 September 2002 16:59 > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Dump via NFS > > > I know this might be unconventional but I am trying to get my > FreeBSD boxes > to backup via DUMP to a FreeBSD server set up with NFS. > Everything works > fine on the NFS side of things (like read write) but when I > actually run > the dump program I get the following > > Performing backup of /usr to /mnt/home .. > > > DUMP: Date of this level 0 dump: Fri Sep 27 10:11:36 2002 > DUMP: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch > DUMP: Dumping /dev/da0s1e (/usr) to /mnt/home > DUMP: mapping (Pass I) [regular files] > DUMP: mapping (Pass II) [directories] > DUMP: estimated 7109613 tape blocks. > DUMP: Cannot open output "/mnt/home". > DUMP: fopen on /dev/tty fails: Device not configured <<<<<< > What does > this mean and how do I fix it? > DUMP: The ENTIRE dump is aborted. > .. backup failed! > > Thanks, > Jeremy Buckner > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 9:36:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D40537B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:36:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6E843E77 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3 [10.13.10.66]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id g8UGaMWI004636 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bust ([12.38.161.88]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H39FGM00.VO1 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:36:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:36:21 -0400 Subject: Re: Multihoming alternatives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Swiger To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20020930155854.18500.qmail@linuxmail.org> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 11:58 AM, Paul Keith wrote: > First I would like to apologise if this is not the place for such > questions. > I am looking for links/tips/'intel' on building redundant/multihomed > network that sits on a /29, (to serve webpages and mail to its clients on > different AS's to produce proper redundancy), without resorting to BGP > configurations or coloating with a large backbone.Is this possible? In which case, your easiest bet is to run two data lines (DS-1's or whatever) in a redundant topology from one provider. With Cisco routers, I believe the term is "DHRP". The obvious problem is that if your upstream provider goes down, you're out of service. However, you can survive a failure of either data link or a local router, which covers several probable failure modes. Multihoming with two different network providers requires you to either have a /20 and be globally routable (via ARIN, and yes, you'll have to do BGP/EGP peering), or else you'll need to multihome your web server on seperate IP networks from seperate providers. DNS should round-robin the A records if you list several, but that still isn't perfect, since dumb clients won't, but it's better than nothing. Besides, if you do have a significant outage that will take at least hours to fix, you can adjust your DNS to disable the downed IP. > How will this DNS server run in a multihomed enviroment? Is it possible > to load balance across 2 or 3 DNS servers or am I being silly? Of course it's possible to load balance between multiple DNS servers; just list multiple NS records for the zone. While it's okay to run DNS on a multihomed box, you should not assume that a single machine with 2 interfaces is redundant. You should use several DNS servers, some offsite or located with someone else's ISP. -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them." -Celia Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 9:42:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FF1E37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1126843E3B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [64.49.215.141]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B248A33BA; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:42:27 -0300 (ADT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:42:27 -0300 (ADT) From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Message-ID: <20020930134131.F69855-100000@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not support it yourself? *raised eyebrow* I use Rackspace, and except for reboots and such, have asked very little of them from a support persepctive ... and, on top opf that, I haven't heard of any rumors to drop support for FreeBSD ... On 30 Sep 2002, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does > support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 9:46: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976EA37B404 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailman.thenap.com (mailman.thenap.com [209.190.0.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFD443E3B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:45:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew.weaver@thenap.com) Received: by mailman.thenap.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:00:20 -0400 Message-ID: <75634F04BFCFD511BF69009027DC864917CC0B@mailman.thenap.com> From: Drew Weaver To: "'Marc G. Fournier'" , "'Kenneth P. Stox'" Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" Subject: RE: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:00:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That was what I was wondering about too, dedicated servers arent really.. 'supported' I mean sure for a consultancy fee we can do some support at the ISP I work for, but we don't like install software on the boxen for people past the initial OS and application software. -Drew -----Original Message----- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@hub.org] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:42 PM To: Kenneth P. Stox Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Why not support it yourself? *raised eyebrow* I use Rackspace, and except for reboots and such, have asked very little of them from a support persepctive ... and, on top opf that, I haven't heard of any rumors to drop support for FreeBSD ... On 30 Sep 2002, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who > does support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 10: 0:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E82137B404 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C019243E9E for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 17w3tw-0006Nn-0U; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:00:08 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:59:39 +0100 To: "Marc G. Fournier" Cc: "Kenneth P. Stox" , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Kevin Golding Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? References: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> <20020930134131.F69855-100000@hub.org> In-Reply-To: <20020930134131.F69855-100000@hub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone, quite probably Marc G. Fournier, once wrote: > >Why not support it yourself? *raised eyebrow* I use Rackspace, and except >for reboots and such, have asked very little of them from a support >persepctive ... and, on top opf that, I haven't heard of any rumors to >drop support for FreeBSD ... You can still get new machines with FreeBSD installed too. I'd imagine they'll stop offering it new for a while before they cut off their existing customers. Kevin, FreeBSD just ticks along nicely; what's to support anyway? :-) -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 10:18:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C9337B411 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6952943E75 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:18:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16814; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:32:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:32:01 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Too insecure?? Uhh... What's their alternative? Linux easily tops FreeBSD on *nix advisories, anything MS-based blows their theory out the door. About the only stuff better would be perhaps NetBSD, and for sure OpenBSD. That's either a line of BS, or they hired some linux-only admin who is afraid of anything BSD and just wants to get rid of it. At least IMHO. Security is not a major problem on FreeBSD however, at least for an admin with half a brain. -rf On 30 Sep 2002, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does > support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 10:34:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BB137B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0B66843E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:34:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 20176 invoked by uid 85); 30 Sep 2002 17:16:43 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-1.02 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. . Clean. Processed in 6.941609 secs); 30 Sep 2002 17:16:43 -0000 Received: from rad-va-21-pc-38.cablenet-va.com (HELO abyss) (asshole@24.197.21.38) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 17:16:34 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: RE: Multihoming alternatives Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:34:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c268a7$91bec160$2615c518@psknet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 12:36 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Multihoming alternatives > > > On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 11:58 AM, Paul Keith wrote: > > First I would like to apologise if this is not the place for such > > questions. > > I am looking for links/tips/'intel' on building > redundant/multihomed > > network that sits on a /29, (to serve webpages and mail to > its clients on > > different AS's to produce proper redundancy), without > resorting to BGP > > configurations or coloating with a large backbone.Is this possible? > > In which case, your easiest bet is to run two data lines (DS-1's or > whatever) in a redundant topology from one provider. With > Cisco routers, > I believe the term is "DHRP". The obvious problem is that if your > upstream provider goes down, you're out of service. However, you can > survive a failure of either data link or a local router, which covers > several probable failure modes. Are you talking about HSRP (Hot Standby Router Protocol)? Yes, this is a viable solution. Get loops from one provider to 2 separate parts of their network, then use 2 routers on your network with HSRP. Your traffic should be fairly well balanced, and protected against the failure of any one router or loop. While this is ideal, except for the 'single provider' part, it's not the only way to do it. You could just as easily do this with a single, non-redundant, router. > > Multihoming with two different network providers requires you > to either > have a /20 and be globally routable (via ARIN, and yes, > you'll have to do > BGP/EGP peering), or else you'll need to multihome your web server on > seperate IP networks from seperate providers. > Paul, BGP isn't some huge monster that needs to be slain. If you go with 2 separate providers and run BGP, I'm sure that either one of them could provide you with a BGP config that will do what you need. If not, post back here, and I'm sure that someone else on the list could whip up a config in no time flat. Assuming that you already have a T1 from one provider, get a second T1 from another provider, then get a full /24 from one of them, which any Tier-1 provider will do without question when you mention that you intend to run BGP-4 with 2 separate providers. The only thing you need from ARIN, is an ASN, which they will hand over without question once you use 'multihome,' 'bgp,' and 'multiple providers' in the same sentence. > DNS should round-robin the A records if you list several, but > that still > isn't perfect, since dumb clients won't, but it's better than > nothing. > Besides, if you do have a significant outage that will take > at least hours > to fix, you can adjust your DNS to disable the downed IP. There's been a number of discussions on this topic before, and I believe that the general concensus is that using a DNS round-robin is not even close to an ideal redundancy solution and should be avoided at all cost. There are ways to do this with a /29 from each provider and running 2 identical networks side-by-side, save for the IP addresses used. In this scenerio, DNS1 would only return addresses on it's own network, and DNS2 would do the same thing, with neither returning IP addresses on the other network. The only thing to consider here, is your routing setup, it could get quite ugly quite fast. > > > How will this DNS server run in a multihomed enviroment? Is > it possible > > to load balance across 2 or 3 DNS servers or am I being silly? > > Of course it's possible to load balance between multiple DNS > servers; just > list multiple NS records for the zone. While it's okay to > run DNS on a > multihomed box, you should not assume that a single machine with 2 > interfaces is redundant. You should use several DNS servers, > some offsite > or located with someone else's ISP. > The key is to consider your points of failure. Without drilling all the way down, here's a summary: 1. The web server itself 2. The DNS server 3. Your ethernet switch 4. Your router 5. The loop connecting you to your upstream 6. Your upstream provider's router 7. Your upstream provider's network Solution: 7. Get a secondary provider 6a. Get a secondary connection to your provider 6b. Get a secondary provider 5. See #6. 4a. HSRP with links to 2 points on 1 provider's network 4b. HSRP with links to 2 separate providers (requires eBGP and iBGP) 3. Deploy a redundant mesh topology between all nodes on your network 2. Run multiple DNS servers, each in a different location on a different network 1. Exercise for the reader :) The bottom line is that building a truly redundant network is very expensive and lots of fun. At a minimum, I recommend that you run BGP with 2 separate providers, as this puts all your single points of failure within arm's reach. Your total cost of connectivity should be less than $2000/month in the US unless you use frame relay and small PVCs, which can bring the cost down quite a bit. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 - 866.477.5638 http://www.psknet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 10:56:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8243F37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.surftx.net (mail.surftx.net [206.142.143.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81D843E3B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 10:56:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from normanb@surftx.net) Received: from securemail [206.142.143.36] by mail.surftx.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id AFCEB90226; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:54:22 -0500 Received: from boss.griffons.net ([206.142.143.62]) by securemail (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.1.0 ) ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:54:22 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Message-ID: <004801c268aa$d2953cc0$0b00a8c0@netsupport> From: "Bill Norman" To: "Kenneth P. Stox" , References: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:57:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bring the service my way. I support *nix and *BSD OS for my server rentals and co-lo's. I am running a mail-toaster on FreeBSD without any security probs at all. If the boxes are configured correctly, they are the best IMO. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does > support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 12: 4: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E3837B404 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94DD43E3B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (smtp-relay04-en1 [10.13.10.223]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id g8UJ44WI007610 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp02.mac.com (asmtp02-qfe3.mac.com [10.13.10.66]) by smtp-relay04-en1.mac.com (8.12.1/8.12.1/1.0) with ESMTP id g8UJ44Og026464 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bust ([12.38.161.88]) by asmtp02.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H39MAR00.66J for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:04:03 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:04:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Multihoming alternatives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Swiger To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000901c268a7$91bec160$2615c518@psknet.com> Message-Id: <6430B9FF-D4A7-11D6-A6AC-000A27D85A7E@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 01:34 PM, Troy Settle wrote: >> On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger >> > On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 11:58 AM, Paul Keith wrote: >>> [ ... ] >>> In which case, your easiest bet is to run two data lines (DS-1's or >> whatever) in a redundant topology from one provider. With Cisco routers, >> I believe the term is "DHRP". The obvious problem is that if your >> upstream provider goes down, you're out of service. However, you can >> survive a failure of either data link or a local router, which covers >> several probable failure modes. > > Are you talking about HSRP (Hot Standby Router Protocol)? That's it, thanks. I've been dealing with too many TLA's recently. ["Three Letter Acronyms". Yes, HSRP has four letters. Don't confuse me. :-)] > Yes, this is a viable solution. Get loops from one provider to 2 separate > parts of their network, then use 2 routers on your network with HSRP. > Your > traffic should be fairly well balanced, and protected against the > failure of any one router or loop. If available in your region, Paul, try to get your local loops through two different ILECs, going to two different CO's. That way, you're going through different access routers on your providers' side. > While this is ideal, except for the 'single provider' part, it's not the > only way to do it. You could just as easily do this with a single, > non-redundant, router. Sure. Single point of failure, though. [ ... ] > Assuming that you already have a T1 from one provider, get a second T1 > from another provider, then get a full /24 from one of them, which any > Tier-1 provider will do without question when you mention that you > intend to run BGP-4 with 2 separate providers. Yes, although a /24 isn't guaranteed to be globally routable. > The only thing you need from ARIN, is an ASN, which they will hand over > without question once you use 'multihome,' 'bgp,' and 'multiple > providers' in the same sentence. Well, once you've paid the $500 for the ASN, and submitted an address space justification request, anyway. >> DNS should round-robin the A records if you list several, but >> that still isn't perfect, since dumb clients won't, but it's better than >> nothing. Besides, if you do have a significant outage that will take >> at least hours to fix, you can adjust your DNS to disable the downed IP. > > There's been a number of discussions on this topic before, and I believe > that the general concensus is that using a DNS round-robin is not even > close to an ideal redundancy solution and should be avoided at all cost. Paul was asking about methods which did not involve BGP. DNS round-robin is free, so I'd say "it should be avoided if you're willing to pay for something better". > There are ways to do this with a /29 from each provider and running 2 > identical networks side-by-side, save for the IP addresses used. In > this scenerio, DNS1 would only return addresses on it's own network, and > DNS2 would do the same thing, with neither returning IP addresses on the > other network. The only thing to consider here, is your routing setup, > it could get quite ugly quite fast. You could configure NAT for the second IP block. That would simplify the routing issues, since you can NAT routable IP addresses (from the first block) exactly as you'd NAT RFC-1918 addresses. But thatis not as desirable as being properly multihomed. -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them." -Celia Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 13: 0:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F7137B404 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cactus.fi.uba.ar (cactus.fi.uba.ar [157.92.49.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFB643EA3 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hpagola@cactus.fi.uba.ar) Received: from cactus.fi.uba.ar (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cactus.fi.uba.ar (8.12.3/8.12.3) with SMTP id g8UJvjZt063051 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:57:45 -0300 (ART) (envelope-from hpagola@cactus.fi.uba.ar) From: hpagola@cactus.fi.uba.ar Received: from 24.232.125.6 (SquirrelMail authenticated user hpagola) by cactus.fi.uba.ar with HTTP; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:57:45 -0300 (ART) Message-ID: <33569.24.232.125.6.1033415865.squirrel@cactus.fi.uba.ar> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:57:45 -0300 (ART) Subject: [Fwd: Confirmation for unsubscribe freebsd-isp] To: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Confirmation for unsubscribe freebsd-isp From: Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Mon, September 30, 2002 4:56 pm To: hpagola@cactus.fi.uba.ar -- Someone (possibly you) has requested that your email address be added to or deleted from the mailing list "freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG". 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Majordomo@FreeBSD.ORG To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 13:29:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871D237B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:29:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC49D43E75 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:29:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8UKTYeA082121; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:29:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 30 Sep 2002 15:29:34 -0500 Message-Id: <1033417775.81362.53.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 12:32, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > Too insecure?? > > Uhh... > > What's their alternative? Linux easily tops FreeBSD on *nix advisories, > anything MS-based blows their theory out the door. About the only stuff > better would be perhaps NetBSD, and for sure OpenBSD. > > That's either a line of BS, or they hired some linux-only admin who is > afraid of anything BSD and just wants to get rid of it. At least IMHO. > Security is not a major problem on FreeBSD however, at least for an admin > with half a brain. That's my take on it, too. I was simply shocked when they told me that was the reason they were no longer selling FreeBSD machines. I guess they are only hiring admin's with quarter brains these days. :-( -Ken Stox stox@imagescape.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 13:33:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25ADC37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3E943E7B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:33:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lapinski@crd.ge.com) Received: from int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-1 [3.159.236.65]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g8UKXSpv016329; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from crdns.crd.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-1.online-age.net (8.12.3/8.12.3/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id g8UKXMJm011577; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exc01crdge.crd.ge.com (exc01crdge.crd.ge.com [3.1.116.47]) by crdns.crd.ge.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKXLK03558; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by exc01crdge.crd.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3XAH35AG>; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lapinski, Michael (Research)" To: "'Kenneth P. Stox'" , Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:33:13 -0400 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has there been a stated list of reasons or is this all word of mouth? I'd like to read thier reasoning and examples of the insecurities. -mtl -------------------------------------------------- Michael Lapinski Computer Scientist GE Research "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - IBM Chairman Thomas Watson, 1943 ->-----Original Message----- ->From: Kenneth P. Stox [mailto:stox@imagescape.com] ->Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:30 PM ->To: Ralph Forsythe ->Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG ->Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? -> -> ->On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 12:32, Ralph Forsythe wrote: ->> Too insecure?? ->> ->> Uhh... ->> ->> What's their alternative? Linux easily tops FreeBSD on ->*nix advisories, ->> anything MS-based blows their theory out the door. About ->the only stuff ->> better would be perhaps NetBSD, and for sure OpenBSD. ->> ->> That's either a line of BS, or they hired some linux-only ->admin who is ->> afraid of anything BSD and just wants to get rid of it. At ->least IMHO. ->> Security is not a major problem on FreeBSD however, at ->least for an admin ->> with half a brain. -> ->That's my take on it, too. I was simply shocked when they told me that ->was the reason they were no longer selling FreeBSD machines. I guess ->they are only hiring admin's with quarter brains these days. :-( -> ->-Ken Stox -> stox@imagescape.com -> -> ->To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org ->with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 13:38:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F3537B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yama.geminisolutions.com (yama.geminisolutions.com [216.57.214.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0847343E65 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:38:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (0-1pool23-161.nas8.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net [67.3.23.161]) by yama.geminisolutions.com (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKbGPV028549; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:37:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:38:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? From: Michael DeMan To: "Kenneth P. Stox" , Ralph Forsythe Cc: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1033417775.81362.53.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.johncompanies.com On 9/30/02 1:29 PM, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 12:32, Ralph Forsythe wrote: >> Too insecure?? >> >> Uhh... >> >> What's their alternative? Linux easily tops FreeBSD on *nix advisories, >> anything MS-based blows their theory out the door. About the only stuff >> better would be perhaps NetBSD, and for sure OpenBSD. >> >> That's either a line of BS, or they hired some linux-only admin who is >> afraid of anything BSD and just wants to get rid of it. At least IMHO. >> Security is not a major problem on FreeBSD however, at least for an admin >> with half a brain. > > That's my take on it, too. I was simply shocked when they told me that > was the reason they were no longer selling FreeBSD machines. I guess > they are only hiring admin's with quarter brains these days. :-( > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Michael F. DeMan Director of Technology OpenAccess Internet Services 1305 11th St., 3rd Floor Bellingham, WA 98225 Tel 360-647-0785 x204 Fax 360-738-9785 michael@staff.openaccess.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 13:43:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1D637B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:43:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yama.geminisolutions.com (yama.geminisolutions.com [216.57.214.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9AB443E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:43:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (0-1pool23-161.nas8.bellevue1.wa.us.da.qwest.net [67.3.23.161]) by yama.geminisolutions.com (8.12.3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8UKgePV028621; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:42:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@staff.openaccess.org) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:43:45 -0700 Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? From: Michael DeMan To: Bill Norman , "Kenneth P. Stox" , Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <004801c268aa$d2953cc0$0b00a8c0@netsupport> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org We can help too. We run our ISP on all BSD and have plenty of cabinet space multi-homed on OC-3/DS-3, and staff is all familiar with BSD. We can either co-locate or provide a box to spec. We are standardized on a dual PIII/1.2GHz configuration with up to 4GB of RAM and IDE RAID. IDE drives are standardized on a specific 80GB model so even though they have shorter life span than SCSI we keep plenty on the shelf to hot swap if they die. The Seagates seem to do quite well, which I cannot say for the IBM IDE drives. If we use the same box as I describe above, we have cold spares online and ready to go in the cabinet. - Mike On 9/30/02 10:57 AM, "Bill Norman" wrote: > Bring the service my way. I support *nix and *BSD OS for my server rentals > and co-lo's. I am running a mail-toaster on FreeBSD without any security > probs at all. If the boxes are configured correctly, they are the best IMO. > > Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kenneth P. Stox" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:49 AM > Subject: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? > > >> >> The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no >> longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of >> FreeBSD of too insecure. >> >> So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does >> support FreeBSD? >> >> Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the >> list with this. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> -Ken Stox >> stox@imagescape.com >> >> >> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >> with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message >> >> > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > Michael F. DeMan Director of Technology OpenAccess Internet Services 1305 11th St., 3rd Floor Bellingham, WA 98225 Tel 360-647-0785 x204 Fax 360-738-9785 michael@staff.openaccess.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 13:51:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809ED37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:51:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw1-out.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B7443E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:51:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virus-gate.meiway.com [212.73.210.91]) by mgw1-out.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 3D5D9EF6A4 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:35:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.meiway.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CCEC5D009 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:57:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52B95D008 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:57:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tx0-go2france-c.Go2France.com [68.68.146.68] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AAF912A6025E; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:58:33 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020930165025.00a9e0b0@mail.go2france.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:51:27 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: References: <1033417775.81362.53.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >http://www.johncompanies.com Virtual FreeBSD servers, totally different from colo's. Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 14:42:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A2B37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 48F4243E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:42:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 72372 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 21:41:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.220) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 21:41:49 -0000 Message-ID: <3D98C5B9.6040506@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:44:25 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: http://www.digitaldaemon.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I am currently running bind, but am investigating switching to djbdns. However a quick look told me that I will have to install daemontools too when I want to get that to work. Is this true? Any comments/advice please??? Thanks! Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 14:55:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBF337B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E3343E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 14:55:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30289 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:08:26 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:08:26 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Multihoming alternatives In-Reply-To: <6430B9FF-D4A7-11D6-A6AC-000A27D85A7E@mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Chuck Swiger wrote: > [ ... ] > > Assuming that you already have a T1 from one provider, get a second T1 > > from another provider, then get a full /24 from one of them, which any > > Tier-1 provider will do without question when you mention that you > > intend to run BGP-4 with 2 separate providers. > > Yes, although a /24 isn't guaranteed to be globally routable. Yes, quite the opposite, it's all but guaranteed to NOT be globally routable. AFAIK there is a big push for route consolidation, and many larger route points will not even pass a route entry for something that small. If you could find two providers that can peer through the same upstream and pass that I think it would work though, right? (Assuming they have other peer points, otherwise it'd just be a single point of failure further down the line.) > > There's been a number of discussions on this topic before, and I believe > > that the general concensus is that using a DNS round-robin is not even > > close to an ideal redundancy solution and should be avoided at all cost. > > Paul was asking about methods which did not involve BGP. DNS round-robin > is free, so I'd say "it should be avoided if you're willing to pay for > something better". DNS round-robin isn't a great redundancy scenario (i.e. if DNS stays up but has no idea that one of it's hosts out of two are down, only 50% of requests go to the good server), but it does provide for a poor-man's load balancing solution. I also saw a script once somewhere that would monitor servers (probably just a ping) and auto-update the round robin in the event of a failure. Of course the best way to go is a true load balancer, so some poor user's PC isn't caching a downed IP even though DNS is reporting something else. But therein lies the cost issue again. Got to pay to play, ultimately. True balanced redundancy is not cheap, when done right. - Ralph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 15:13:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E1B37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.day-light.net (day-light.net [64.37.72.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8A543E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: from w1 (118-203.bestdsl.net [216.162.118.203]) by mail.day-light.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 024B9350BD for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:13:18 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "John Brooks" To: "'FreeBSD ISP'" Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:17:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01c268cf$1fc94bc0$c905010a@daylight.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <3D98C5B9.6040506@digitaldaemon.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I made a switch from bind to djbdns about 5 months ago and will never go back to bind. Tinydns is stable, fast, and the program 'obeys' my commands immediately. I was never sure if bind 9.x would completely implement anything it was told to do or not. Your biggest hurdle will be changing your mindset to accomodate a different way of managing dns. Once you understand how it is implemented, you will be amazed at the simplicity. Work through the docs and set it up on a test machine inside your lan. When you are comfortable with it, then consider a switchover. That would be my advice, YMMV. -- John Brooks john@stlbsd.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Jan Knepper > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:44 PM > To: FreeBSD ISP > Subject: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) > > > Hi! > I am currently running bind, but am investigating switching > to djbdns. > However a quick look told me that I will have to install > daemontools too > when I want to get that to work. Is this true? > Any comments/advice please??? > Thanks! > Jan > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 15:31:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E964D37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [204.179.120.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E89A43E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtp01.mac.com (asmtp01-qfe3 [10.13.10.65]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id g8UMVA9N014454 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bust ([12.38.161.88]) by asmtp01.mac.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id H39VVX00.JAD for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:31:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:31:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Multihoming alternatives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) From: Chuck Swiger To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5425A7F4-D4C4-11D6-A6AC-000A27D85A7E@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 06:08 PM, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Chuck Swiger wrote: >> [ ... ] >> Yes, although a /24 isn't guaranteed to be globally routable. > > Yes, quite the opposite, it's all but guaranteed to NOT be globally > routable. AFAIK there is a big push for route consolidation, and many > larger route points will not even pass a route entry for something that > small. Right-- most ISPs don't host routes smaller than a /20, simply because the amount of memory required to hold even that subset of network routes is around 128 MB. On the other hand, as an end-user organization, you only need to worry about prefered routes via one link or the other for networks which (a) you care about, and (b) see a significant difference in reachability via one provider versus the other. So the OP could get away with using Cisco 1xxx-grade routers with only 32 MB on his side. > If you could find two providers that can peer through the same > upstream and pass that I think it would work though, right? (Assuming > they have other peer points, otherwise it'd just be a single point of > failure further down the line.) I think so, so long as the globally published route which includes your network block goes to that mutual peering point, and the two provider organizations are willing to cooperate closely. They'll have to push out a more specific route which overrides the globally published route to whichever provider's IP space was delegated to the end-user network. Basicly, they have to be willing to trust each other's routing updates via BGP or OSPF, or whatever routing protocol they go for. Interesting to think about.... [ ... ] > DNS round-robin isn't a great redundancy scenario (i.e. if DNS stays up > but has no idea that one of it's hosts out of two are down, only 50% of > requests go to the good server), Yes. Smart clients will try each IP until they get one that works; but most don't. Although dumb clients which go through a smart proxy might also do okay. :-) Again, if you've got a significant disruption, you can push out a DNS update in the case of failure and be able to cope better than being completely down, anyway. That's not "highly available", but it's cheap. -Chuck Chuck Swiger | chuck@codefab.com | All your packets are belong to us. -------------+-------------------+----------------------------------- "The human race's favorite method for being in control of the facts is to ignore them." -Celia Green To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 15:49:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CEE37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw1-out.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE4943E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virus-gate.meiway.com [212.73.210.91]) by mgw1-out.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id 1D08CEF6A4 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:33:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost.meiway.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C0335D009 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264945D008 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tx0-go2france-c.Go2France.com [68.68.146.68] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A6AF3A970176; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:56:47 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020930183759.00abcfc8@mail.go2france.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.go2france.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:49:02 -0400 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) In-Reply-To: <001f01c268cf$1fc94bc0$c905010a@daylight.net> References: <3D98C5B9.6040506@digitaldaemon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I made a switch from bind to djbdns about 5 months ago and will >never go back to bind. Tinydns is stable, fast, and the program 'obeys' >my commands immediately. ndc and rndc for bind 8/9 obey my commands. >I was never sure if bind 9.x would completely implement anything it was >told to do or not. bind isn't roulette. Sounds like you didn't put the work in on BIND that you put in on djbdns. Len To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 16:24:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8247F37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.day-light.net (day-light.net [64.37.72.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A8A43E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:24:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: from w1 (118-203.bestdsl.net [216.162.118.203]) by mail.day-light.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 53D95350BD for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:24:57 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "John Brooks" To: Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:28:50 -0500 Message-ID: <002301c268d9$22a006e0$c905010a@daylight.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020930183759.00abcfc8@mail.go2france.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Never had any trouble with bind 8.x and was perfectly content with it. Initial compile and install of 9.x seemed to work ok. After about 30 days or so things started acting unpredictable. The situation progressively went downhill from that point. So your observation that I "didn't put the work into bind that I put into djbdns" is probably accurate if a distinction is made between bind 8.x and 9.x. Many people use bind and seem to be happy with it. They are undoubtably much smarter than me. I was just offering advice from my experience, as requested by the original poster. ... > > bind isn't roulette. Sounds like you didn't put the work in > on BIND that > you put in on djbdns. > > Len > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 16:40:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD4737B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix.infoserve.net (unix.infoserve.net [199.175.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5845143E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:40:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wlodek@infoserve.net) Received: from 1al1 (800252.cipherkey.com [64.114.80.252]) by unix.infoserve.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA07602 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008a01c268da$b176b020$fc507240@infoserve.net> From: "wlodek" To: Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:39:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems to me that FreeBSD suffers by lack of partisan to all ISPs running FreeBSD: I offer a free search engine optimization one page first come first serve not string attached ---------------------- Ad ver Teaser W E B S I T E O W N E R S Advertise your site for free at: http://www.adendum.com/ advertising banner exchange To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 16:55:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19B837B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CCD43E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:55:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8UNjreA082528; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:45:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Subject: RE: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Nick Geyer Cc: "'freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG'" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 30 Sep 2002 18:45:53 -0500 Message-Id: <1033429555.81362.112.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 2002-09-30 at 16:56, Nick Geyer wrote: > Ken, > > That is incorrect. I have spoken to a friend who works at RackSpace and they > will continue to support it. They are having issues with 4.5 install running > out of memory and crashing. Rackspace will continue to offer an older > version 4.3 if I remember correctly until the issue with 4.5 is resolved. Well, life gets more interesting by the moment. Rackspace just called to straighten out the issue. It does seem that one of their salesmen was very confused. It does appear that the current problem is the one your friend passed on. Someone should really introduce these guys to the joys of cloning disks, but I digress. So, Rackspace will sell a server with FreeBSD installed, with some caveats for the time being. I would say those caveats are reasonable for now. Will I be going back to Rackspace?? I don't know. So many on the list have made suggestions for providers that are dedicated to FreeBSD, that the choice will be difficult. So, in summation: 1) Kudos to Rackspace for following up and correcting the mistake. 2) Many thanks to all who have sent me suggestions, they are greatly appreciated. -Ken Stox stox@imagescape.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 17:48:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6636A37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net (web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net [206.47.131.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A7B5A43E4A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 17:48:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@hawk-systems.com) Received: (qmail 23546 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 00:48:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ws1) (24.157.103.51) by web1.nexusinternetsolutions.net with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 00:48:18 -0000 From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" To: "Jan Knepper" , "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:48:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <3D98C5B9.6040506@digitaldaemon.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >I am currently running bind, but am investigating switching to djbdns. >However a quick look told me that I will have to install daemontools too >when I want to get that to work. Is this true? >Any comments/advice please??? >Thanks! >Jan Word to the wise, do not compare BIND and DJBDNS... both camps will argue the finer points forever. BIND users will argue that you just don't know how to use it, and DJB apostles will counter with BIND is broke, and the viscious cycle will continue... personally I find DJB's solution to DNS adminsitration easier to use, propogate and automate for the application I use it for (ISP adminsitration), and that is with 5 years of BIND under my belt. Needless to say, there are plenty of qwerks with both camps. More to your question though... You do not HAVE to use daemontools AFAIK. However it is a nice package that you may want to investigate thoroughly before you outright dismiss it. Personally, I moved a few processes into the service realm for easy management. Again, wouldn't use it for everything, but it is a usefull package. Check the djbdns mail list for further clarification http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#dns Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 18:41:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5343037B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f5.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1948D43E65 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:41:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew__nelson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:41:28 -0700 Received: from 203.12.22.37 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 01:41:28 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.12.22.37] From: "Andrew Nelson" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: radius/udp: bind: Address already in use - How to unbind them? Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:41:28 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 01:41:28.0927 (UTC) FILETIME=[A972C6F0:01C268EB] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I use two radius servers on my FreeBSD machine for external authentication. For some reason, one of them fails occasionally and, when I HUP inetd ( or stop/start it), I get (in messages): inetd[81739]: radius2/udp: bind: Address already in use inetd[81739]: radius/udp: bind: Address already in use Only the 2nd radius process is actually running and I have to reboot the whole server to get the other one back. Is there any way to clear the address/port so it can restart? The entries I have in inetd.conf are: radius dgram udp wait root /usr/local/sbin/radiusd radiusd -p 1645 -q 1646 -d /usr/local/lib/radius/db radius2 dgram udp wait root /usr/local/sbin/radiusd radiusd -d /usr/local/lib/radius/second -p 1812 -q 1648 I'd really appreciate any help. Thanks, Andrew. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 19:47:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A862437B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta02ps.bigpond.com (mta02ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7533B43E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:47:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leighv@roq.com) Received: from michael ([144.135.25.72]) by mta02ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta02ps Jul 16 2002 22:47:55) with SMTP id H3A7QT00.06P; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:47:17 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-132-83-135.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.83.135]) by PSMAM02.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 80/27797780); 01 Oct 2002 12:47:16 Message-ID: <006801c268f4$ec722e10$2d01a8c0@michael> From: "Leigh V" To: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" , "Jan Knepper" , "FreeBSD ISP" References: Subject: Re: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:47:46 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried DJBDNS, because I have 1000 domains to admin, and I wanted something where I didn't want to have to restart the whole daemon for every change like you do with BIND. but I found that DJBDNS is far worse because you have to recompile the whole database file everytime you change something and with 1000 domains each having there own stack of records, restarting bind is much faster result. I couldn't believe what a silly system DJBdns has for new records, I mean I was drawn to it because of its claim that you don't need to restart it for each change but recompiling a database with everything in it doesn't seem like a better idea to me. If someone could tell me otherwise I would like to hear it. Aside from having to restart BIND every time which I fear could cause people doing lookups for that brief time to get a dns lookup failure, I didn't at first like BIND's syntax that much and I still get caught all the time when I am not paying attention but I still stick with it, its a bit like learning how to ride a bike but every six months some one changes the peddles design :). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" To: "Jan Knepper" ; "FreeBSD ISP" Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) > >I am currently running bind, but am investigating switching to djbdns. > >However a quick look told me that I will have to install daemontools too > >when I want to get that to work. Is this true? > >Any comments/advice please??? > >Thanks! > >Jan > > Word to the wise, do not compare BIND and DJBDNS... both camps will argue the > finer points forever. BIND users will argue that you just don't know how to use > it, and DJB apostles will counter with BIND is broke, and the viscious cycle > will continue... personally I find DJB's solution to DNS adminsitration easier > to use, propogate and automate for the application I use it for (ISP > adminsitration), and that is with 5 years of BIND under my belt. Needless to > say, there are plenty of qwerks with both camps. > > More to your question though... > > You do not HAVE to use daemontools AFAIK. However it is a nice package that you > may want to investigate thoroughly before you outright dismiss it. Personally, > I moved a few processes into the service realm for easy management. Again, > wouldn't use it for everything, but it is a usefull package. > > Check the djbdns mail list for further clarification > http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#dns > > Dave > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 19:49: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F8637B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inet03.citec.qld.gov.au (inet03.citec.qld.gov.au [203.5.10.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0248843E3B for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:48:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgcccdc@citec.qld.gov.au) Received: by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au; id g912mvb38245; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:57 +1000 (EST) Received: from citecub.citec.qld.gov.au( 131.242.4.98) by inet03.citec.qld.gov.au via smap (V2.0) id xma038133; Tue, 1 Oct 02 12:48:51 +1000 Received: from guru.citec.qld.gov.au by citecub.citec.qld.gov.au (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA16136; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:50 +1000 Received: by guru.citec.qld.gov.au (Postfix, from userid 60097) id 4D294D96A; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:50 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by guru.citec.qld.gov.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCBB1F5B; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:50 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:48:49 +1000 (EST) From: Colin Campbell To: Andrew Nelson Cc: Subject: Re: radius/udp: bind: Address already in use - How to unbind them? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Andrew Nelson wrote: > Hi, > > I use two radius servers on my FreeBSD machine for > external authentication. For some reason, one of > them fails occasionally and, when I HUP inetd ( > or stop/start it), I get (in messages): > > inetd[81739]: radius2/udp: bind: Address already in use > inetd[81739]: radius/udp: bind: Address already in use > > Only the 2nd radius process is actually running and I have > to reboot the whole server to get the other one back. What do you mean by "Only the 2nd radius process is actually running"? There should be NO radius processes running unless thay are handling a "call". You have inetd listening on ports "radius" and "radiusd" and when a packet arrives inetd will fork the radius server, wait for it to exit and then start listening again. Are you sure you want to run them out of inetd? > Is there any way to clear the address/port so it can > restart? You need to know who's listening on those ports when you HUP inetd. What does sockstat show? Colin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 20: 0: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCE837B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta06ps.bigpond.com (mta06ps.bigpond.com [144.135.25.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1937143E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leighv@roq.com) Received: from michael ([144.135.25.87]) by mta06ps.bigpond.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 mta06ps May 23 2002 23:53:28) with SMTP id H3A8BW00.5B8; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:59:56 +1000 Received: from CPE-144-132-83-135.vic.bigpond.net.au ([144.132.83.135]) by psmam07.mailsvc.email.bigpond.com(MailRouter V3.0n 125/28212703); 01 Oct 2002 12:59:56 Message-ID: <009c01c268f6$b180b180$2d01a8c0@michael> From: "Leigh V" To: "Kenneth P. Stox" , References: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:00:23 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well maybe its not that its to insecure maybe they just couldn't work out how to patch or use CVSup for the source tree, which doesn't really surprised me, while all the main Linux dists have single command automagic live internet updates such as debian,redhat and mandrake, FreeBSD is still stuck with source patches. I personally don't find it very convienient either and as I get less and less time for these things I am now tempted after all these years with FreeBSD to go to a Linux dist just for that, I will miss ports tho if I do. But I have been looking at methods such as a single patch machine and a system wide rsync with sshkeys, but all my machines are out of version sync. Rackspace are a kind of a bad deal anyway. Just go to rackshack and pretend the new linux machine is FreeBSD :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:49 AM Subject: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does > support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 20:23:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE3237B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7223143E77 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 17wCcA-0000gK-00; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:18:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:18:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Leigh V Cc: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" , Jan Knepper , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) In-Reply-To: <006801c268f4$ec722e10$2d01a8c0@michael> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Leigh V wrote: > I tried DJBDNS, because I have 1000 domains to admin, and I wanted something > where I didn't want to have to restart the whole daemon for every change > like you do with BIND. Technically you only need to reload named, not restart it. "named reload" and "named restart" do very different things. "reload" checks for changes in config, while "restart" stops and starts the process. "reload" is much faster. > but I found that DJBDNS is far worse because you have to recompile the whole > database file everytime you change something and with 1000 domains each > having there own stack of records, restarting bind is much faster result. > I couldn't believe what a silly system DJBdns has for new records, I mean I > was drawn to it because of its claim that you don't need to restart it for > each change but recompiling a database with everything in it doesn't seem > like a better idea to me. Recompiling doesn't seem like a great idea, but it should be fast. > If someone could tell me otherwise I would like to hear it. > Aside from having to restart BIND every time which I fear could cause people > doing lookups for that brief time to get a dns lookup failure, I didn't at The solution here is to reload, not restart. > first like BIND's syntax that much and I still get caught all the time when > I am not paying attention but I still stick with it, its a bit like learning > how to ride a bike but every six months some one changes the peddles design > :). Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 21:16:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B99B37B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (voyager.psknet.com [63.171.251.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72B8843E42 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: (qmail 60801 invoked by uid 85); 1 Oct 2002 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from troy@psknet.com by voyager.psknet.com with qmail-scanner-1.02 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4100. . Clean. Processed in 0.467984 secs); 01 Oct 2002 03:58:30 -0000 Received: from rad-va-21-pc-38.cablenet-va.com (HELO abyss) (asshole@24.197.21.38) by voyager.psknet.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 03:58:30 -0000 From: "Troy Settle" To: Subject: RE: Multihoming alternatives Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c26901$404df5d0$2615c518@psknet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <5425A7F4-D4C4-11D6-A6AC-000A27D85A7E@mac.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Chuck Swiger > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:31 PM > To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Multihoming alternatives > > On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 06:08 PM, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Chuck Swiger wrote: > >> [ ... ] > >> Yes, although a /24 isn't guaranteed to be globally routable. > > > > Yes, quite the opposite, it's all but guaranteed to NOT be globally > > routable. AFAIK there is a big push for route > consolidation, and many > > larger route points will not even pass a route entry for > something that > > small. > > Right-- most ISPs don't host routes smaller than a /20, > simply because the > amount of memory required to hold even that subset of network > routes is > around 128 MB. Actually, you can fit 3 full route tables (~112k routes each) into 128MB, I've done it. No guarantees on router performance though. Currently, I'm taking 3 views on a 7206 w/512mb. For 2 full views, I'd probably recommend a minimum of 192mb. > > On the other hand, as an end-user organization, you only need > to worry > about prefered routes via one link or the other for networks > which (a) you > care about, and (b) see a significant difference in > reachability via one > provider versus the other. So the OP could get away with using Cisco > 1xxx-grade routers with only 32 MB on his side. Right. In this scenerio, you could actually get away without taking /any/ routes from your upstream providers. Just use 2 default routes for your outbound traffic and BGP to announce your own space, which takes care of your inbound traffic. You could do this on even an old 2501. As for a /24 not being routable, I agree that it can cause problems, but in 5 years of doing it, I've not run into any yet. I have 4 /24 and 2 /23 networks assigned to me by Sprint. I announce these to all 3 of my providers (Sprint, AT&T, and UUNut). I've yet to receive a complaint of an unreachable network due to some under-funded idiot having filters on announcements smaller than a /20. I assume the reason for that, is becaue said idiot had at least enough sense to leave default route entries in place. This is a moot point anyways, as I'll bet you couldn't name me one person who will guarantee any network of any size to be globally routable, as there is no single entity that controls routing policies on all 25k+ autonomous systems on the 'net. -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks 540.994.4254 - 866.477.5638 http://www.psknet.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 22:53:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887E637B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.kiev.sovam.com (relay.kiev.sovam.com [212.109.32.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C877743E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:53:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dimitry@al.org.ua) Received: from [212.109.32.116] (helo=there) by relay.kiev.sovam.com with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17wFy3-000F6W-00 for FreeBSD-ISP@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 08:53:11 +0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" From: Dmitry Alyabyev Reply-To: dimitry@al.org.ua To: FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:53:10 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-NCC-RegID: ua.svitonline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday 01 October 2002 05:18, Tom Samplonius wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Leigh V wrote: > > I tried DJBDNS, because I have 1000 domains to admin, and I wanted > > something where I didn't want to have to restart the whole daemon for > > every change like you do with BIND. > > Technically you only need to reload named, not restart it. "named > reload" and "named restart" do very different things. "reload" checks for > changes in config, while "restart" stops and starts the process. "reload" > is much faster. you forgot about reload the zone-file by 'ndc reload bla-bla.com' this way is the fastest one. - Dimitry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 23: 5: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465A137B401 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23F443E91 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140021005F; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pantherdragon.org (portabeast.techno.pagans [172.21.42.3]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id E316DAA92; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D993B0E.B9AABC11@pantherdragon.org> Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:05:03 -0700 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" Cc: Jan Knepper , FreeBSD ISP Subject: Re: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" wrote: > Word to the wise, do not compare BIND and DJBDNS... both camps will argue the > finer points forever. BIND users will argue that you just don't know how to use > it, and DJB apostles will counter with BIND is broke, and the viscious cycle > will continue... personally I find DJB's solution to DNS adminsitration easier > to use, propogate and automate for the application I use it for (ISP > adminsitration), and that is with 5 years of BIND under my belt. Needless to > say, there are plenty of qwerks with both camps. The biggest problems I've found with djbdns is Dan and the politics on the support list fosters. If your requirements for a DNS server fall within the scope of what Dan wants, then djbdns will work great for you. Otherwise, hack it yourself and forget about the patches. With BIND, it's the security track record. I like to think I'm smart enough to figure out a piece of software without tech support. I know I'm not smart enough to audit code. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Mon Sep 30 23: 8:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698C37B404 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (dhcp.looksmart.com.au [210.9.52.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B50B43E6A for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:08:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msergeant@looksmart.net) Received: from xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8U9iOnP042437; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:44:24 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from msergeant@looksmart.net) Received: (from sarge@localhost) by xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g8U9iJc5042436; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 19:44:19 +1000 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net: sarge set sender to msergeant@looksmart.net using -f Subject: Re: gzip / tar files in use From: Mark Sergeant To: chem@i-p-d.nl Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3D9837CD.10626.136427A2@localhost> References: <3D9837CD.10626.136427A2@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 30 Sep 2002 19:44:18 +1000 Message-Id: <1033379058.1103.476.camel@xyzzy.intranet.snsonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why not use mysqldump ? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 0:14: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5AE37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flash.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua (flash.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua [194.44.157.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0669743E42 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from artem@mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua) Received: from mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua (rainbow.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua [192.168.9.241]) by flash.mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua (8.12.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9178Fs8033253 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:08:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from artem@mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua) Message-ID: <3D995856.F38C7CC7@mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:09:58 +0200 From: "Artyom V. Viklenko" Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,uk,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: IDE RAID Adapter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, all! Does anybody uses IDE RAID INNO VISION CMD ATA100 (Silicon Image chip) controller with FreeBSD? If somebody knows why it is not good to use it, tell me please! I have to build backup server and I'd like to have cheap IDE RAID Level 1 storage with 80-120GB drives on it. After two-three months DDS4 tape will be added to it. -- Sincerely yours, Artyom V. Viklenko. ====================================================== System Administrator artem@mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua ------------------------------------------------------ IIAT NTU "KhPI" 21, Frunze Str., Kharkov Ukraine 61002 Phone: +380 (572) 400026 Fax: +380 (572) 474062 ====================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 1:11:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5D837B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE67C43E65 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:11:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:34 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9084536@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Possible causes of "watchdog timeout" errors Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:15:31 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, What could be the possible reasons why "xl0: watchdog timeout" is being logged by my server? When this happens, the port on the switch (Cisco Catalyst 2950) is appears yellow/orange indicating that it had lost communication with the NIC and trying to re-negotiate a connection. This usually happens when I transfer a huge file. I'm running: # uname -a FreeBSD flik2.dagupan.com 4.7-RC FreeBSD 4.7-RC #0: Thu Sep 19 02:06:09 PHT 2002 francisv@flik2.dagupan.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FLIK i386 --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 6:22:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B4B737B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Thanatos.Shenton.Org (a3.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 632DD43E4A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 06:22:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 38249 invoked by uid 1000); 1 Oct 2002 13:22:40 -0000 To: "Leigh V" Cc: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" , "Jan Knepper" , "FreeBSD ISP" Subject: Re: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) References: <006801c268f4$ec722e10$2d01a8c0@michael> From: Chris Shenton Date: 01 Oct 2002 09:22:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: <006801c268f4$ec722e10$2d01a8c0@michael> Message-ID: <87fzvqguov.fsf@thanatos.shenton.org> Lines: 37 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Leigh V" writes: > but I found that DJBDNS is far worse because you have to recompile the whole > database file everytime you change something and with 1000 domains each > having there own stack of records, restarting bind is much faster result. I'm a long time BIND user but switched to DJBDNS a couple years back and prefer it. I hope to avoid a religious mire here and provide some useful hints. For BIND to read changes in the zone files, it requires a reload (ndc or kill -HUP) but it stops answering queries while it reads and parses the zone files. That downtime can be a drag with large zone datasets. When you change a record, DJBDNS requires you to rebuild the zones' CDB (a read-optimized, constant-time database) which the data is being served from, but the nameserver continues to answer queries while this is happening. This is an especially good thing when you have a lot of zone data like you do. You don't need to restart or reload the daemon itself, very nice. (Russ Nelson's "axfr" is handy for managing lots of zones: it pulls zones you secondary, aggregates other zones in individual files, then creates the CDB for you.) WRT the original question about daemontools: yes. You need this as well as the ucspi-tcp package; both are in ports and build trivially. Setup is a little confusing cuz it's different, but there's good advice on www.lifewithdjbdns.org. Daemontools allows you to stop, start, pause, reset, and query daemons -- quite nice. The ucspi-tcp stuff grabs the TCP connections, does resource limiting, then handles the file descriptor to the intended service so the service itself doesn't have to implement this -- it just reads/writes stdin/stdout -- making the service smaller and therefore less complicated (and presumably more secure). Getting your head around these meta-services takes some time but it's very nice once you get it going. As to others' posts about DJB being a difficult person, I agree. But it sure makes the lists more lively. :-) I do like his code though. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 9:47:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF3937B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.gerhardt-it.com (gw.gerhardt-it.com [204.83.38.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C14243E3B for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:47:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@g-it.ca) Received: from [24.71.178.119] (h24-71-178-119.ss.shawcable.net [24.71.178.119]) by blue.gerhardt-it.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02B210062 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:47:11 -0600 (CST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:47:06 -0600 Subject: Rotating Apache Log Files From: Scott Gerhardt To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sort of an ISP question: I'm trying to figure out the best way to rotate apache's log files in conjunction with my stats program (webalizer). I would like to write a script to strip the previous months entries and gzip them into a separate file. This way, my stats program won't miss a beat regardless when the logs are rotated (ie sometime in to the next month). Will modifying the log file affect apache while it is running? Suggestions? -- Scott Gerhardt, P.Geo. Gerhardt Information Technologies [G-IT] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 10: 7:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BD437B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:07:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ad1.armourplate.net (ad1.armourplate.net [195.167.168.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD50F43E77 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jonathan@corpex.com) Received: from [195.167.168.91] (helo=advs1.armourplate.net) by ad1.armourplate.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #4) id 17wQUh-00048A-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:07:35 +0100 Received: from root by advs1.armourplate.net with armourd-ok (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17wQPh-00096Y-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:02:25 +0100 Received: from ad1.armourplate.net ([195.167.168.92]) by advs1.armourplate.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17wQPd-00096K-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:02:21 +0100 Received: from perseus.corpex.net ([195.167.169.20] helo=perseus) by ad1.armourplate.net with asmtp (Exim 3.36 #7) id 17wQUd-000488-00 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:07:31 +0100 From: "Jonathan Defries" To: Subject: RE: Rotating Apache Log Files Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:07:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Header: Scanned by ArmourPlate Anti-Virus Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Scott wrote: > Sort of an ISP question: > > I'm trying to figure out the best way to rotate apache's log files in > conjunction with my stats program (webalizer). > > I would like to write a script to strip the previous months > entries and gzip > them into a separate file. This way, my stats program won't miss a beat > regardless when the logs are rotated (ie sometime in to the next month). > > Will modifying the log file affect apache while it is running? http://www.cronolog.org/ will split things nicely for you, no need to worry about stopping/starting things. Regards, Jonathan -- Jonathan Defries Corpex Limited * email virus protection * Server Co-Location UK & Germany * Web Site Hosting * Domain Name Services http://www.corpex.com T +44 (0)207 430 8000 F +44(0)207 430 8099 _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for viruses by Corpex using the ArmourPlate Virus Scanning Service. To find out how to protect your company visit http://www.armourplate.com or call Corpex on +44 (0)207 430 8000. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 10:14:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D06737B404 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DA6A43E77 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:14:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 56833 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 17:14:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.220) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 17:14:02 -0000 Message-ID: <3D99D879.6030202@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:16:41 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: http://www.digitaldaemon.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Gerhardt Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Rotating Apache Log Files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In newsyslog.conf ~/httpd.log ... /var/run/httpd.pid So that newsyslog signals apache to start a new log file... Jan Scott Gerhardt wrote: >Sort of an ISP question: > >I'm trying to figure out the best way to rotate apache's log files in >conjunction with my stats program (webalizer). > >I would like to write a script to strip the previous months entries and gzip >them into a separate file. This way, my stats program won't miss a beat >regardless when the logs are rotated (ie sometime in to the next month). > >Will modifying the log file affect apache while it is running? > >Suggestions? > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 11:43:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FE037B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (oe37.pav2.hotmail.com [64.4.36.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9177D43E65 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:43:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from unixtools@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:43:11 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [202.41.224.36] From: "Unix Tools" To: "Kenneth P. Stox" , References: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:11:37 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2002 18:43:11.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[6496B480:01C2697A] Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, http://www.gainwithus.com Ranked among top five providers. Supports FREEBSD. I am hosting a lot of sites with them. Phenominal email support. Worth testing. Thank You. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 09:19 PM Subject: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does > support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 18:53:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B405D37B40D for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C2A43E75 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:53:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rforsythe@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08545 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:06:23 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001194709.00bcc5f0@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rforsythe@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:50:38 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: HP 4000M switch question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm currently in the market for a switch, minimum 24 ports. Based on the features I need, the Cisco 2924XL seemed like a good choice, plus I'm familiar withalmost all Cisco gear. However recent searches on eBay have turned up HP ProCurve 4000M switches ready to go with 40 ports for around $4-500, which is of course quite cheap for the port density I get out of it. My question, for anyone who has used them - can I create a span port on them like I can on the Ciscos, for something like an IDS application? Right now I have the IDS and firewall all on the same box, but down the road I'll want to separate those out so making a span port will be a necessity. Otherwise they seem like adequate switches, with VLAN capability and the rest of it. Thanks, - Ralph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 19: 3:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8B537B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0996643E77 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:03:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA08977 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:16:24 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001200101.01eecab8@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rf-list@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:01:06 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: HP 4000M switch question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm currently in the market for a switch, minimum 24 ports. Based on the features I need, the Cisco 2924XL seemed like a good choice, plus I'm familiar withalmost all Cisco gear. However recent searches on eBay have turned up HP ProCurve 4000M switches ready to go with 40 ports for around $4-500, which is of course quite cheap for the port density I get out of it. My question, for anyone who has used them - can I create a span port on them like I can on the Ciscos, for something like an IDS application? Right now I have the IDS and firewall all on the same box, but down the road I'll want to separate those out so making a span port will be a necessity. Otherwise they seem like adequate switches, with VLAN capability and the rest of it. Thanks, - Ralph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 19: 6:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DCE37B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1DF43E4A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:06:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA09125 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:19:36 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001195042.033c9370@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rf-list@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 20:05:31 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: mysql and LDAP in an ISP - redundancy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My databases currently function off mysql and openldap2 on a single server, which is backed up nightly. This is adequate for our current business but I'd like to move to a redundant scenario, and I'm envisioning this as follows: DB server 1 acts as the normal master for both databases. Using VRRP, assumes primary role for a shared IP address. DB server 2 is backup. It's also configured as a master server, but replicates off DB1. Should VRRP initiate a failover, DB2 then seems to be the exact same server to all clients. Once DB1 is restored, it replicates off DB2 for anything it missed, and regains control. So, what am I missing? Can this even be done? I know having two servers as master can be bad if the same tables are updated at the same time, but in this scenario that doesn't appear to be possible. Will manual intervention be required at some point? My base requirement is a transparent failover (within 3-9 seconds) to the other server without any reconfig of client systems. It's ok if restoration to primary service needs some manual control of some kind, but the hot-fail needs to happen. These servers will be in a semi-remote facility where access can be difficult at times, so I'm going for a solution that will stay running except in complete network meltdown at least in backup mode until we can fix it. Any DB gurus care to take a stab at this one? I haven't found much if anything on the net or in books on my design, leading me to believe I'm one of the early ones to try it. I can't be the first I'm sure however, so someone out there has to have an idea on how it works, if it works, or if I'm just smoking crack over here. :) For my next trick - load balancing (probably requiring some mad coding skillz) between multiple servers, which AFAIK is not something that can currently be done with mysql and openldap... Also - how resilient are current IDE drives to constant r/w activity? Will they wear out a lot faster than if the reads/writes are more sporadic? I know back in the day (i.e. MFM and such - all you people who even remember those are cringing right now) that was a concern, but I'm not sure if it's as such anymore. I ask because I'd like to crank up replication to a fairly constant process, and am curious what blasting the drives will do to MTBF. Thanks, - Ralph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 19:44:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D367437B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:44:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from backup.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE5C43E4A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:44:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: by mailserver.dagupan.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:33:33 +0800 Message-ID: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A908453C@mailserver.dagupan.com> From: francisv@dagupan.com To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ipnat/ipfilter error Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:33:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I was inspecting ipnat on our Squid proxy servers when I noticed this weird output from one of the servers: List of active MAP/Redirect filters: rdr xl0 0.0.0.0/0 port 80 -> nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn port 8080 tcp List of active sessions: pos=0x5000 kmemcpy:read: Bad address ??? nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn 0 <- -> 205.180.85.40 0 [202.91.162.1 0] ??? 102.8.0.0 <- -> 208.167.27.0 [0.0.0.0] The machine is: FreeBSD machine1.dagupan.com 4.7-RC FreeBSD 4.7-RC #1: Thu Sep 26 15:11:29 PHT 2002 root@machine1.dagupan.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SQUID0 i386 --- francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 21:29:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74C5637B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from globalrelay.com (h216-18-71-77.gtcust.grouptelecom.net [216.18.71.77]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FF343E4A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@globalrelay.net) Received: from [24.82.76.142] (HELO cns) by globalrelay.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.9) with SMTP id 1470428; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:29:43 -0700 Message-ID: <008b01c269cc$bc4616b0$0201640a@cns> From: "Eric Parusel" To: , "Ralph Forsythe" References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001200101.01eecab8@mail.centerone.com> Subject: Re: HP 4000M switch question Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:32:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I'm currently in the market for a switch, minimum 24 ports. Based on the > features I need, the Cisco 2924XL seemed like a good choice, plus I'm > familiar withalmost all Cisco gear. However recent searches on eBay have > turned up HP ProCurve 4000M switches ready to go with 40 ports for around > $4-500, which is of course quite cheap for the port density I get out of it. > > My question, for anyone who has used them - can I create a span port on > them like I can on the Ciscos, for something like an IDS > application? Right now I have the IDS and firewall all on the same box, > but down the road I'll want to separate those out so making a span port > will be a necessity. Otherwise they seem like adequate switches, with VLAN > capability and the rest of it. > > Thanks, > - Ralph Yes, it does seem to have this functionality, I think HP calls it a "monitor port" or "port monitoring"... http://www.hp.com/rnd/products/switches/switch4000/overview. htm I've been considering the purchase of one of these switches, plus a gigabit over copper "card"... anyone have any experiences with this configuration? Eric Parusel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 21:35:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5119437B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from misery.sdf.com (misery.sdf.com [207.200.153.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D4243E42 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:35:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tom@sdf.com) Received: from tom (helo=localhost) by misery.sdf.com with local-esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 17waDQ-00054m-00; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:30:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:30:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Samplonius To: Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP 4000M switch question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001194709.00bcc5f0@mail.centerone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would stay away from HP switches. I've heard some horror stories about port lockups and the like that require the switch to be rebooted, or the ports disconnected. I've heard of an ISP that replaced all their HP switches, after an engineer from Redback proved that the HP switches were dying under heavy traffic, not the Redback SMS. The Redback engineer in question told me the ISP in question, basically gave the HP switches away. Although the 2924XL is not made anymore, Cisco is still supporting it, and new software can be downloaded (even without a login) on the Cisco web site. New software is only available for the 8MB models though. You want to upgrade the software to fix the SNMP bug discovered earlier this year. Tom On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > I'm currently in the market for a switch, minimum 24 ports. Based on the > features I need, the Cisco 2924XL seemed like a good choice, plus I'm > familiar withalmost all Cisco gear. However recent searches on eBay have > turned up HP ProCurve 4000M switches ready to go with 40 ports for around > $4-500, which is of course quite cheap for the port density I get out of it. > > My question, for anyone who has used them - can I create a span port on > them like I can on the Ciscos, for something like an IDS > application? Right now I have the IDS and firewall all on the same box, > but down the road I'll want to separate those out so making a span port > will be a necessity. Otherwise they seem like adequate switches, with VLAN > capability and the rest of it. > > Thanks, > - Ralph > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Oct 1 21:42:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E220937B401 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:42:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from subterrain.net (subterrain.net [66.179.0.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F6B43E4A for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:42:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbl@subterrain.net) Received: from subterrain.net (jbl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by subterrain.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g924gqlh087567; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:42:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbl@subterrain.net) Received: (from jbl@localhost) by subterrain.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g924gqEA087566; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:42:52 -0700 From: Justin Lundy To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Kenneth P. Stox" Subject: Re: Rackspace-like provider for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20021002044252.GB87482@subterrain.net> References: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1033400978.81362.4.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Host2Own is a Wholesale Web Hosting Services Provider, and they support FreeBSD. I have been inside their facility, and they run a good network. I use and recommend them. Their URL is http://www.host2own.com. --jbl On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 10:49:37AM -0500, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > > The vendor I have been using for several years now, Rackspace, is no > longer supporting FreeBSD due to claims that the latest versions of > FreeBSD of too insecure. > > So, can anyone make any recommendations for a similar provider who does > support FreeBSD? > > Please reply to me directly, as I don't think we need to clog up the > list with this. > > Many thanks, > > -Ken Stox > stox@imagescape.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- --jbl [subterrain / techitch] --email : jbl@subterrain.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 3:13:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC3A37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 03:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dm.transactionware.com (dm.transactionware.com [203.14.245.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8212B43E42 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 03:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from janm@transactionware.com) Received: (qmail 67980 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2002 10:39:36 -0000 Received: from new.transactionware.com (192.168.1.55) by dm.transactionware.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 10:39:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 71285 invoked by uid 1006); 1 Oct 2002 10:41:04 -0000 Received: from janm@transactionware.com by new.transactionware.com by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.10 (uvscan: v4.1.40/v4215. . Clear:0. Processed in 0.280576 secs); 01 Oct 2002 10:41:04 -0000 Received: from mosm1.transactionware.com (HELO mosm1) (192.168.1.130) by new.transactionware.com with SMTP; 1 Oct 2002 10:41:03 -0000 From: "Jan Mikkelsen" To: "'Leigh V'" , "'Dave [Hawk-Systems]'" , "'Jan Knepper'" , "'FreeBSD ISP'" Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:37:08 +1000 Organization: Transactionware Message-ID: <001301c26936$7e7ae950$8201a8c0@mosm1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <006801c268f4$ec722e10$2d01a8c0@michael> Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Leigh V wrote: > I tried DJBDNS, because I have 1000 domains to admin, and I > wanted something > where I didn't want to have to restart the whole daemon for > every change > like you do with BIND. > but I found that DJBDNS is far worse because you have to > recompile the whole > database file everytime you change something and with 1000 > domains each > having there own stack of records, restarting bind is much > faster result. [...] In my experience, rebuilding the data.cdb file is fast, and most importantly there is no outage at any point during the process. How long did it take? If it took more than a few seconds for 1000 domains, it is possible you had something like this in your data: @first.domain.com:1.2.3.4:mail.yourco.com @second.domain.com:1.2.3.4:mail.yourco.com @third.domain.com:1.2.3.4:mail.yourco.com ... @nth.domain.com:1.2.3.4:mail.yourco.com Instead of: @first.domain.com::mail.yourco.com @second.domain.com::mail.yourco.com @third.domain.com::mail.yourco.com ... @nth.domain.com::mail.yourco.com +mail.yourco.com:1.2.3.4 Just for the record: I switched from BIND to djbdns and never looked back (except in horror). Jan Mikkelsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 6:57: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6E937B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:57:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sandvine.com (sandvine.com [199.243.201.138]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9CA43E6A for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 06:56:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from don@sandvine.com) Received: by mail.sandvine.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Don Bowman To: 'Ralph Forsythe' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: HP 4000M switch question Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:56:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralph Forsythe [mailto:rforsythe@centerone.com] > Sent: October 1, 2002 21:51 > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: HP 4000M switch question > > > I'm currently in the market for a switch, minimum 24 ports. > Based on the > features I need, the Cisco 2924XL seemed like a good choice, plus I'm > familiar withalmost all Cisco gear. However recent searches > on eBay have > turned up HP ProCurve 4000M switches ready to go with 40 > ports for around > $4-500, which is of course quite cheap for the port density I > get out of it. > We use them extensively, have for 5 years, probably have 30 of them. We used to use them in a multicast MPEG-2 video application, ~2Gbps of bandwidth. Have found them to be very reliable and easy to manage. Yes they support a 'span' (a monitoring port), which can be joined to any one port on the switch. They support only 32 VLANs (any vlan numbers, but only 32 at a time). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 9:24:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A6537B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web12107.mail.yahoo.com (web12107.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E97143E4A for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:24:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akachler@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20021002162424.91374.qmail@web12107.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.41.10.208] by web12107.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:24:24 PDT Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 09:24:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Kachler Subject: Re: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When you send a kill -HUP to named (Bind), the server never stops responding. It re-reads its configuration file and loads only the changes it encounters since the last time it was started or reloaded. I have no experience at all with DJBDNS, but Bind works for us. We use it for over 12,000 domains and it works perfectly. Regards, Arie Kachler SysAdmin/Telcom.Net Original Message: I tried DJBDNS, because I have 1000 domains to admin, and I wanted something where I didn't want to have to restart the whole daemon for every change like you do with BIND. but I found that DJBDNS is far worse because you have to recompile the whole database file everytime you change something and with 1000 domains each having there own stack of records, restarting bind is much faster result. I couldn't believe what a silly system DJBdns has for new records, I mean I was drawn to it because of its claim that you don't need to restart it for each change but recompiling a database with everything in it doesn't seem like a better idea to me. If someone could tell me otherwise I would like to hear it. Aside from having to restart BIND every time which I fear could cause people doing lookups for that brief time to get a dns lookup failure, I didn't at first like BIND's syntax that much and I still get caught all the time when I am not paying attention but I still stick with it, its a bit like learning how to ride a bike but every six months some one changes the peddles design :). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave [Hawk-Systems]" To: "Jan Knepper" ; "FreeBSD ISP" Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: RE: DNS (bind or djbdns or ???) > >I am currently running bind, but am investigating switching to djbdns. > >However a quick look told me that I will have to install daemontools too > >when I want to get that to work. Is this true? > >Any comments/advice please??? > >Thanks! > >Jan > > Word to the wise, do not compare BIND and DJBDNS... both camps will argue the > finer points forever. BIND users will argue that you just don't know how to use > it, and DJB apostles will counter with BIND is broke, and the viscious cycle > will continue... personally I find DJB's solution to DNS adminsitration easier > to use, propogate and automate for the application I use it for (ISP > adminsitration), and that is with 5 years of BIND under my belt. Needless to > say, there are plenty of qwerks with both camps. > > More to your question though... > > You do not HAVE to use daemontools AFAIK. However it is a nice package that you > may want to investigate thoroughly before you outright dismiss it. Personally, > I moved a few processes into the service realm for easy management. Again, > wouldn't use it for everything, but it is a usefull package. > > Check the djbdns mail list for further clarification > http://cr.yp.to/lists.html#dns > > Dave > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 20:33:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D9537B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6129B43E42 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:33:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g934XmvD056024 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:33:49 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3/Submit) id g934Xm9L056023 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:33:48 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:33:48 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Apache vhost directive problem Message-ID: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I have a problem with my apache httpd vhost configuration. My vhost entries for numerous users look like this: ServerName eggshell.munk.nu ServerAdmin support@munk.nu DocumentRoot /home/eggshell/web ErrorLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-error.log CustomLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-access.log combined and the problem I'm having is that if a user removes either their logs or web dir, the server will not (re)start correctly since the vhost configuration is broken after such changes. How can I ensure that the vhost configuration does not become 'broken' after a user makes such a change? Many thanks in advance, Jez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 20:43:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E74B37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.datafast.net.au (mailhub.datafast.net.au [203.123.67.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5F9643E3B for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:43:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corey.ralph@datafast.net.au) Received: (qmail 3811 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 03:43:34 -0000 Received: from corey.datafast.net.au (203.123.67.125) by mailhub.datafast.net.au with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 03:43:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 23258 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Oct 2002 03:43:34 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:43:34 +1000 From: Corey Ralph To: Jez Hancock Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem Message-ID: <20021003034334.GB23017@corey.datafast.net.au> References: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You should change the permissions so that the user cannot write to the logs. The DocumentRoot shouldn't matter though, it only issues a warning if it doesn't exist. Cheers On 03/10/02 04:33 +0000, Jez Hancock wrote: > Hi folks, > > I have a problem with my apache httpd vhost configuration. > > My vhost entries for numerous users look like this: > > > ServerName eggshell.munk.nu > ServerAdmin support@munk.nu > DocumentRoot /home/eggshell/web > ErrorLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-error.log > CustomLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-access.log combined > > > and the problem I'm having is that if a user removes either their logs > or web dir, the server will not (re)start correctly since the vhost > configuration is broken after such changes. > > How can I ensure that the vhost configuration does not become 'broken' > after a user makes such a change? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Jez > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Corey Ralph corey.ralph@datafast.net.au System Administrator +61 3 5278 3955 Datafast Telecommunications ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 20:50:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF7B37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CD0443E77 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g934opvD056106 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:50:51 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3/Submit) id g934op7o056105 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:50:51 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:50:51 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem Message-ID: <20021003045051.GA56068@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP List References: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> <20021003034334.GB23017@corey.datafast.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021003034334.GB23017@corey.datafast.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:43:34PM +1000, Corey Ralph wrote: > You should change the permissions so that the user cannot write to the > logs. Ok I'll set that up thanks. > The DocumentRoot shouldn't matter though, it only issues a warning if > it doesn't exist. ;) Thanks for that, Jez > > Cheers > > On 03/10/02 04:33 +0000, Jez Hancock wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > I have a problem with my apache httpd vhost configuration. > > > > My vhost entries for numerous users look like this: > > > > > > ServerName eggshell.munk.nu > > ServerAdmin support@munk.nu > > DocumentRoot /home/eggshell/web > > ErrorLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-error.log > > CustomLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-access.log combined > > > > > > and the problem I'm having is that if a user removes either their logs > > or web dir, the server will not (re)start correctly since the vhost > > configuration is broken after such changes. > > > > How can I ensure that the vhost configuration does not become 'broken' > > after a user makes such a change? > > > > Many thanks in advance, > > > > Jez > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Corey Ralph corey.ralph@datafast.net.au > System Administrator +61 3 5278 3955 > Datafast Telecommunications > ------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 22:38:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FECF37B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cox.rosnet.ru (cox.rosnet.ru [195.90.130.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6B143E6A for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:38:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cox@rosnet.ru) Received: from cox (cox [195.90.130.40]) by cox.rosnet.ru (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id g935cDtu096373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:38:14 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from cox@rosnet.ru) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:38:13 +0400 (MSD) From: Konstantin M Volevatch To: Jez Hancock Cc: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem In-Reply-To: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> Message-ID: <20021003093609.I96307-100000@cox.rosnet.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Jez Hancock wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:33:48 +0000 > From: Jez Hancock > To: FreeBSD ISP List > Subject: Apache vhost directive problem > > Hi folks, > > I have a problem with my apache httpd vhost configuration. > > My vhost entries for numerous users look like this: > > > ServerName eggshell.munk.nu > ServerAdmin support@munk.nu > DocumentRoot /home/eggshell/web > ErrorLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-error.log > CustomLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-access.log combined > > > and the problem I'm having is that if a user removes either their logs > or web dir, the server will not (re)start correctly since the vhost > configuration is broken after such changes. Use 'apachectl configtest' before restart Also, you may set 'sunlnk' flag on 'web' subdir > > How can I ensure that the vhost configuration does not become 'broken' > after a user makes such a change? > > Many thanks in advance, > > Jez > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > -- Konstantin M Volevatch RosNet JSC, Moscow [095] 755 85 94 [local:4341] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Wed Oct 2 23:55:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75C6137B401 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from users.munk.nu (213-152-51-194.dsl.eclipse.net.uk [213.152.51.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D0143E42 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:55:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: from users.munk.nu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g937u4vD058021 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:56:04 GMT (envelope-from munk@users.munk.nu) Received: (from munk@localhost) by users.munk.nu (8.12.5/8.12.3/Submit) id g937u30X058020 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:56:03 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:56:03 +0000 From: Jez Hancock To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: Apache vhost directive problem Message-ID: <20021003075602.GA57985@users.munk.nu> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD ISP List References: <20021003043348.GA55962@users.munk.nu> <20021003093609.I96307-100000@cox.rosnet.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021003093609.I96307-100000@cox.rosnet.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:38:13AM +0400, Konstantin M Volevatch wrote: > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Jez Hancock wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 04:33:48 +0000 > > From: Jez Hancock > > To: FreeBSD ISP List > > Subject: Apache vhost directive problem > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I have a problem with my apache httpd vhost configuration. > > > > My vhost entries for numerous users look like this: > > > > > > ServerName eggshell.munk.nu > > ServerAdmin support@munk.nu > > DocumentRoot /home/eggshell/web > > ErrorLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-error.log > > CustomLog /home/eggshell/logs/httpd-access.log combined > > > > > > and the problem I'm having is that if a user removes either their logs > > or web dir, the server will not (re)start correctly since the vhost > > configuration is broken after such changes. > > Use 'apachectl configtest' before restart > Also, you may set 'sunlnk' flag on 'web' subdir Nice one, I'll have a read of man chflags, could be the command I need to run on a few items when creating user's home dirs (I'm also trying to stop user's from being able to modify their .history files if anyone can point me in right direction). What I have so far is this (perl script): sub createUser{ # $user is passed in to this func: my $user=shift; my $pw_cmd="$pw adduser -n $user -m"; #exec cmd (password is returned, but this depends on #pw.conf(5) 'defaultpasswd' setting: my $pass=&doCmd($pw_cmd); # doCmd just execs the command passed to it # is this safe to get at password this way? chomp($pass); # chown the logs dir as well to stop users from # deleting it: my $cmd="chown www /home/$user/logs && chmod 755 /home/$user/logs"; &doCmd($cmd); return($pass); } Any hints/tips would be much appreciated (or any full blown scripts I could take a look at:). Cheers again, Jez To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 3 3:22:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EE437B401 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 03:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4311443E6E for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 03:22:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (stp.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93ALMj93363 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:21:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D9C1A84.35C20D9A@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:23:00 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Adaptec 2000S Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.4(snapshot 20020706) (mail.tcworks.net) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org anyone know where I can download the storage manager software for this card? Does it really require an X console? I have the CD that came with the card but the package (adptfbsd_31c.tgz) will not install, it claims it is missing files. Any help would be appreciated, thanks. -- Chris o----< ccook@tcworks.net >------------------------------------o |Chris Cook - Admin |TCWORKS.NET - http://www.tcworks.net | |The Computer Works ISP |FreeBSD - http://www.freebsd.org | o-------------------------------------------------------------o To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 3 3:41: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E2A37B401 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 03:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.tcworks.net (mail.tcworks.net [216.61.218.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8657243E75 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 03:40:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ccook@tcworks.net) Received: from tcworks.net (stp.tcworks.net [216.61.218.6]) by mail.tcworks.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g93Adqj95288; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:39:52 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D9C1EDA.AF6C6A9@tcworks.net> Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 05:41:30 -0500 From: Chris Cook X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cor Bosman Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adaptec 2000S References: <200210031028.g93ASJ568183@xs1.xs4all.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.4(snapshot 20020706) (mail.tcworks.net) Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks!! /Chris Cor Bosman wrote: > > You do need the software from the CD. Try and find 2 programs.. > > raidutil and dpteng. Put them both in /usr/local/bin. > > Works for me. No X needed. > > news1: {21} % raidutil > raidutil > > Program Description: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The raidutil allows command-line access to administer the RAID configuration. > > Switch definitions: > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -g d,d[,d][+d,d][d]... Create logical drive, where "d" is a device id. When > creating RAID 10 or 50, separate parity groups with + > -g b [n] [d[,d,..]] Create logical drive, where "b" is an hba or an hba\bus; > "n" is the number of drives in each array; "d" is a list > of device ids to exclude from the array(s). > -i . . . . . . . . . Causes non-fatal errors to be ignored when creating > logical drives To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 3 12:22: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A5237B401 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (duey.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4343E3B for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:22:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g93JLkVp023480; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:21:46 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from localhost (cdillon@localhost) by duey.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id g93JLj3F023475; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:21:46 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: duey.wolves.k12.mo.us: cdillon owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:21:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: Ralph Forsythe Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: HP 4000M switch question In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021001194709.00bcc5f0@mail.centerone.com> Message-ID: <20021003140845.C23254-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Ralph Forsythe wrote: > I'm currently in the market for a switch, minimum 24 ports. Based on the > features I need, the Cisco 2924XL seemed like a good choice, plus I'm > familiar withalmost all Cisco gear. However recent searches on eBay have > turned up HP ProCurve 4000M switches ready to go with 40 ports for around > $4-500, which is of course quite cheap for the port density I get out of it. We're using them extensively and they have been working quite well for us. In the rare situation that something dies on it, HP gets you a replacement part the next day, and all bits and pieces of the 4000M and 8000M (exactly the same switches other than initial port configuration) are modular. Those switches have lifetime warranties. > My question, for anyone who has used them - can I create a span port > on them like I can on the Ciscos, for something like an IDS > application? Right now I have the IDS and firewall all on the same > box, but down the road I'll want to separate those out so making a > span port will be a necessity. Otherwise they seem like adequate > switches, with VLAN capability and the rest of it. You can define any one port to be a "monitoring port" which will mirror all traffic from any other ports (any and all ports you desire) OR the monitoring port can monitor an entire VLAN on the switch. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 3 16:16:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3B037B401 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usenet.isot.com (usenet.isot.com [63.161.224.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CDCD43E75 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:16:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) Received: (from www@localhost) by usenet.isot.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g93NImE07901 for freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:18:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from freebsd@isot.com) X-Authentication-Warning: usenet.isot.com: www set sender to freebsd@isot.com using -f Received: from 63.161.239.70 ( [63.161.239.70]) as user freebsd@isot.com by webmail.isot.com with HTTP; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:18:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1033687128.3d9cd0588ced8@webmail.isot.com> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:18:48 -0500 From: itchibahn To: FreeBSD ISP List Subject: apache_fp-1.3.26_1 port MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 63.161.239.70 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've installed apache_fp-1.3.26_1 port using sysinstall. The httpd works fine, and fp_install.sh gave no problem on root web. But when trying to access the root web using MSFrontPage, it errors out 'folder not accessible'. I used owsadm.exe to enable authoring, remove, readd, uninstall fp, reinstall, etc., without a problem. But still same error message when attempt to author it. Do I need to forget using the sysinstall, and start from compiling the sources? ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through ISOT. To find out more about ISOT, visit http://isot.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Thu Oct 3 23:44:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3AE37B401 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:44:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp02.iafrica.com (smtp02.iafrica.com [196.7.0.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDABD43E75 for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:44:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@organicwire.net) Received: from fresh1.organicwire.net ([196.7.155.98] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp02.iafrica.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17xMC4-000B8p-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 08:44:13 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.0.2006 Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:08:12 +0200 Subject: Re: IDE RAID Adapter From: James Godwin To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3D995856.F38C7CC7@mipk-kspu.kharkov.ua> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, We built FreeBSD backup servers for Mac clients using the Promise and Adaptec controllers. System runs Netatalk and no problems with the cards. Unfortunately have not tried the Inno Vision but I would recommend either Adaptec or promise. Regards James On 10/1/02 10:09, "Artyom V. Viklenko" wrote: > Hi, all! > > Does anybody uses IDE RAID INNO VISION CMD ATA100 (Silicon Image chip) > controller with FreeBSD? > If somebody knows why it is not good to use it, tell me please! > > > I have to build backup server and I'd like to have > cheap IDE RAID Level 1 storage with 80-120GB drives > on it. After two-three months DDS4 tape will be added to it. > ---------------------------------- Organic Wire Cell: 082 5600 534 Web: ---------------------------------- Fresh thinking for the net ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 4 3:27:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EDF37B404 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:27:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web20109.mail.yahoo.com (web20109.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE91F43E75 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:27:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freefabri@yahoo.it) Message-ID: <20021004102747.78045.qmail@web20109.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [217.133.222.124] by web20109.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:27:47 CEST Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:27:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Fabrizio=20Ravazzini?= Subject: servers HP tc2110 standard To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello all I've to install two FreeBSD 4.6 firewalls on two HP TC2110 standard,I've never installed BSD before on these models. Did anyone installed successfully FreeBSD on these machines? I just want to know experiences or some problems during the installation or after. Thanks all bye ______________________________________________________________________ Scarica il nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: con webcam, nuove faccine e tante altre novità. http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.messenger.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 4 6:13: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6736737B404 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:13:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [63.105.9.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 556E243E6E for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 06:13:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: (qmail 15571 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 13:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitaldaemon.com) (192.168.0.220) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 13:12:06 -0000 Message-ID: <3D9D944E.4090101@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 09:14:54 -0400 From: Jan Knepper Organization: http://www.digitaldaemon.com/ User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.1b) Gecko/20020721 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: francisv@dagupan.com Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Possible causes of "watchdog timeout" errors References: <10F29E27A956D511B0940050DA8D86A9084536@mailserver.dagupan.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org man xl does not tell you anything? francisv@dagupan.com wrote: >Hi, > >What could be the possible reasons why "xl0: watchdog timeout" is being >logged by my server? When this happens, the port on the switch (Cisco >Catalyst 2950) is appears yellow/orange indicating that it had lost >communication with the NIC and trying to re-negotiate a connection. This >usually happens when I transfer a huge file. I'm running: > ># uname -a >FreeBSD flik2.dagupan.com 4.7-RC FreeBSD 4.7-RC #0: Thu Sep 19 02:06:09 PHT >2002 francisv@flik2.dagupan.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/FLIK i386 > >--- > francis a. vidal [bitstop network services] | http://www.bitstop.ph > streaming media + web hosting | http://www.keystone.ph > v(02)330-2871,(02)330-2872; f(02)330-2873 | http://www.kuro.ph > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 4 13:36:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866FF37B404 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:36:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (ekgr-dsl4-t41.citlink.net [207.173.249.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD4743E65 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from TAGALONG (unknown [165.107.42.110]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id BE93BEE5F7; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201c26be5$bd6d60a0$6e2a6ba5@TAGALONG> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: "itchibahn" , "FreeBSD ISP List" References: <1033687128.3d9cd0588ced8@webmail.isot.com> Subject: Re: apache_fp-1.3.26_1 port Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:36:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "itchibahn" To: "FreeBSD ISP List" Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: apache_fp-1.3.26_1 port > I've installed apache_fp-1.3.26_1 port using sysinstall. The httpd works fine, > and fp_install.sh gave no problem on root web. But when trying to access the > root web using MSFrontPage, it errors out 'folder not accessible'. I don't know if this is your problem or not but I got a similar error until I added the following to httpd.conf: Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks ExecCGI MultiViews AllowOverride All Order allow,deny Allow from all The AllowOverride is the key so that the .htaccess files that the extensions created will be processed by Apache. > I used owsadm.exe to enable authoring, remove, readd, uninstall fp, reinstall, > etc., without a problem. But still same error message when attempt to author > it. > > Do I need to forget using the sysinstall, and start from compiling the sources? I don't think so. The port should work. In my experience, most FP problems have to do with permission settings on either the files themselves or httpd.conf entries. Good Luck, Drew > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through ISOT. To find out more > about ISOT, visit http://isot.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Fri Oct 4 13:57:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B41A37B401 for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46C443E6A for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:57:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from localhost (rf-list@localhost) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28701; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:09:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:09:46 -0600 (MDT) From: Ralph Forsythe To: Drew Tomlinson Cc: itchibahn , FreeBSD ISP List Subject: Re: apache_fp-1.3.26_1 port In-Reply-To: <002201c26be5$bd6d60a0$6e2a6ba5@TAGALONG> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > I don't know if this is your problem or not but I got a similar error > until I added the following to httpd.conf: > > > Options Indexes Includes FollowSymLinks ExecCGI MultiViews > AllowOverride All > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > The AllowOverride is the key so that the .htaccess files that the > extensions created will be processed by Apache. > > > Do I need to forget using the sysinstall, and start from compiling > the sources? > > I don't think so. The port should work. In my experience, most FP > problems have to do with permission settings on either the files > themselves or httpd.conf entries. I have also had strangeness where I access a site using FP by domain name, and it gives me that. If I then try by IP, or even sometimes reboot the client computer, it will work for me, then I can use the domain name after a couple of days. I've never been able to isolate the problem, and just chalk it up to it being MS-based code, hence I don't use FP for much. - Ralph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 5 5:54: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D29CE37B420 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 05:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from airnet.com.ua (air.net.ua [193.110.106.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F015043E77 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 05:53:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) Received: from none1 ([10.254.3.6]) by airnet.com.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g95CYPKd015179 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:34:31 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) From: Alexandr To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:23:37 +0300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: Subject: Minimum soft for ISP. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1041a Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, my question is: What is the minimum soft to run a small ISP? Alexandr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 5 10:50:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CDF237B401 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949AE43E4A for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:50:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19492; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:02:42 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021005114804.00bceb38@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rf-list@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 11:49:33 -0600 To: Alexandr , freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: Re: Minimum soft for ISP. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You could effectively do it I suppose with a box running FreeBSD and some modems, it really just depends on how much hardware (i.e. server size and # of modems) you want to throw at it. Or just pick up a livingston PM or other modem rack (I'm using the USR Total Control and it seems to work pretty good for my needs) on ebay, they're all over the place. - Ralph At 09:23 PM 1/16/2007 +0300, Alexandr wrote: >Hi, my question is: >What is the minimum soft to >run a small ISP? > Alexandr. > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 5 11: 4:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AAF37B401 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:04:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blue.centerone.com (blue.centerone.com [204.133.183.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF30043E6A for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:04:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rf-list@centerone.com) Received: from DELIVERANCE-XP.centerone.com (hs5-ifw.wiaas.org [65.102.239.61]) by blue.centerone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20150 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:17:41 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20021005120353.01fd1c98@mail.centerone.com> X-Sender: rf-list@mail.centerone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:04:28 -0600 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Ralph Forsythe Subject: Fwd: Returned Mail / Grazinti laiskai! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been getting bounces from this person's "too full" box for over a=20 week now when posting to the list, in case anyone cares... >From: postmaster@one.lt >Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:50:50 +0200 (GMT+02:00) >To: rf-list@centerone.com >Subject: Returned Mail / Grazinti laiskai! >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by blue.centerone.com= =20 >id MAA19542 > >Unfortunately, your message was not delivered. >Mailbox does not have enough space! > >Deja, j=FBs=F8 si=F8sta =FEinut=EB nepasiek=EB adresato. >E. pa=F0to d=EB=FE ut=EBje nepakanka vietos! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-isp Sat Oct 5 23:17:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E663B37B401 for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from airnet.com.ua (air.net.ua [193.110.106.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7CF43E6A for ; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:17:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) Received: from none1 ([10.254.3.4]) by airnet.com.ua (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id g966GrKd025153 for ; Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:16:56 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from alexandr@air.net.ua) From: Alexandr To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:10:52 +0300 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-Id: <871633VRP84WMHRPQOIVTIHGEXULG.45ad4d6c@none1> Subject: User limiting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" X-Mailer: Opera 6.01 build 1041a Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How to limit users in time (time per day, month or other)? Can I do it with only FreeBSD, or I need some additional soft? - Alexandr. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isp" in the body of the message