From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 20:02:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BAB537B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:02:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from beck.quonix.net (beck.quonix.net [64.239.136.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE2F443FA3 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:02:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@essenz.com) Received: from essenz.com (pcp04098733pcs.neave01.pa.comcast.net [68.80.102.17]) by beck.quonix.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5J32lE7027988 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:02:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from john@essenz.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:01:07 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: John Von Essen To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <459A6C46-A202-11D7-B17F-0003933DDCFA@essenz.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) Subject: performance boost... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:02:57 -0000 This one took me by surprise, so I have to share. I was consulting at company who used a Linux cluster to deliver internal mailings (they have roughly 30,000 employees across the US - which was too much for a Microsoft Exchange distribution list to handle). The cluster nodes ran some perl code which effectively called a "performance-tuned" sendmail. Delivery throughput was around 17 messages per second. After weeks of arguing I finally got the okay to upgrade one of the nodes to FreeBSD. The result was that after the next mailing, the FreeBSD box had a delivery throughput of 29.7 messages per second. Same hardware, same perl code, same sendmail. Something as simple as switching from RedHat linux to FreeBSD almost doubled performance. The best part of course is the satisfaction I now get from rubbing it in to all the Solaris and Linux admins I work with! -John From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 18:54:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E4037B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tower.berklix.org (bsd.bsn.com [194.221.32.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F25343F93 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.org) Received: from tower.berklix.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5K1sRr6031545; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:54:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.org) Received: (from jhs@localhost) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5K1sJCL031544; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:54:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:54:19 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200306200154.h5K1sJCL031544@tower.berklix.org> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org From: "Julian Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com/~jhs/vsl/ Fcc: sent-mail cc: "Ernst Winter \(Home\)" Subject: /usr/ports/misc/magicpoint X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:54:22 -0000 Anyone thought of/ know of/ or want to create an "Intro to BSD" for Magicpoint ? For a quick sampling of this presentation manager: cd /usr/ports/misc/magicpoint ; make install ; rehash mgp -d -g 800x600 /usr/X11R6/share/doc/mgp/sample/sample.mgp PS next time some M$ addict says "I need MS Excel to do presentations" you might want to mention Magicpoint - Julian Stacey Freelance Internet Consultant & Systems Engineer, Muenchen. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 05:00:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B570037B401; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (external.osdn.org.ua [212.40.34.156]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE81A43F3F; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:00:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: from kurush.osdn.org.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p2/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5KC09e7097506; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:00:10 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@kurush.osdn.org.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by kurush.osdn.org.ua (8.12.6p2/8.12.6/Submit) id h5KC09sP097501; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:00:09 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 15:00:08 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20030620120008.GA97422@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD: 10 Years of Rock-stable Performance! Happy Birthday, FreeBSD! X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:00:17 -0000 Dear Core Team members, commiters, contributors, and users of FreeBSD! Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group is happy to congratulate heartily all of you with the 10th anniversary of FreeBSD! We can see a great progress made since June 19, 1993, and we all are happy to realize that FreeBSD is a most solid, fast, reliable, and secure OS ever made. Without any of us such a success story would never be impossible. -- Alexandr Kovalenko, UAFUG founder, for Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 09:30:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F76137B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C168E43F85 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from starfly ([209.121.11.113]) by priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20030621163000.HVHR12297.priv-edtnes47.telusplanet.net@starfly>; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:30:00 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> From: "Peter" To: , Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:29:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1193 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1193 Subject: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:30:02 -0000 Found an interesting article on TechTV, seems to portray FreeBSD in a very good light. Might be good for some promotional thing, to print out and distribute. Available in PDF at http://cache.techtv.com/binaries/2003/freebsd.pdf -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 09:44:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB22937B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ac-net.at (secure.ac-net.at [212.24.125.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78CA943FBD for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:44:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shammer@daemon.li) Received: from localhost (server.ac-net.at [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ac-net.at (AC-net Mailserver v1.3a) with ESMTP id BE9303F94 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:44:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from daemon.li (dsl-155-233.utaonline.at [62.218.155.233]) by mail.ac-net.at (AC-net Mailserver v1.3a) with SMTP id 7B4933F92 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 7133 invoked from network); 21 Jun 2003 16:45:17 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daemon.li) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 16:45:17 -0000 Received: (from shammer@localhost) by daemon.li (8.12.6/8.12.7/Submit) id h5LGjG0m007131 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:45:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from shammer) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:45:15 +0200 From: Josef El-Rayes To: advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030621164515.GA7088@daemon.li> References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Reply-Path: j.el-rayes@daemon.li X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12 with AC-networks extensions Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.el-rayes@daemon.li List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:45:00 -0000 Peter wrote: > Found an interesting article on TechTV, seems to portray FreeBSD in a very > good light. Might be good for some promotional thing, to print out and > distribute. although i find this quite nice it seems to be a bit too much of pro-freebsd. it also needs some updating. linux has got a journaling filesystem, ext2 is not the choice anymore. commercial support is better for linux than for freebsd. i also think that linux has usually a better device driver support, or put it this way, a broader variety. so after some modifing, to make it more objective, this article would be very nice. but thats just my opinion. -josef -- www: http://www.daemon.li nic-hdl: JER1080312-NICAT FreeBSD PortMaintainer "Make World - Not War!" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 09:58:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AE437B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:58:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57C643F93 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:58:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB19A3D28 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:58:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3EF4567A.23525.2ACFD52E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20030621164515.GA7088@daemon.li> References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:58:37 -0000 On 21 Jun 2003 at 18:45, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > Peter wrote: > > Found an interesting article on TechTV, seems to portray FreeBSD in a very > > good light. Might be good for some promotional thing, to print out and > > distribute. > > although i find this quite nice it seems to be a bit too much of > pro-freebsd. it also needs some updating. linux has got a journaling > filesystem, ext2 is not the choice anymore. commercial support is better > for linux than for freebsd. i also think that linux has usually a better > device driver support, or put it this way, a broader variety. It should also be comparing Windows XP, not Windows 2000. I don't think we'd like it if they looking at FreeBSD 4.2... -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 12:43:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49D837B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:43:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (iweb2.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A47643FA3 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:43:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5LJVYQs042052; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:31:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5LJVXKr042051; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:31:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:31:33 -0700 From: Matt Olander To: Peter Message-ID: <20030621123133.C41990@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly>; from pfak@telus.net on Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 09:29:58AM -0700 cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:43:23 -0000 On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 09:29:58AM -0700, Peter wrote: > Found an interesting article on TechTV, seems to portray FreeBSD in a very > good light. Might be good for some promotional thing, to print out and > distribute. > > Available in PDF at http://cache.techtv.com/binaries/2003/freebsd.pdf This is what Murray put together for our appearence on TechTV to discuss FreeBSD. You can see the whole artcile here: http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/showtell/story/0,24330,3421080,00.html where they also have a windows media clip of the segment. not much to look at, but it's a start ;) for those of you that prefer Real Player (like me!), I put the same video segment on our website: http://www.offmyserver.com/cgi-bin/oms/news/techtv_031403.html if it doesn't play, try again later. I'm running the free version of helix on FreeBSD, of course, which is limited to only 10 simultaneous connections, I believe. Unfortunately, they had some technical difficulties while we were on the show, as it's a live show, and anything WILL happen. So we didn't get the time that we had hoped for. TechTV has promised to remedy this in their next FreeBSD segment which should be coming soon. We will be doing a live 'Linux vs FreeBSD shootout' that should last about a half an hour or so. It's not really our intention to beat Linux in a webserver benchmark, but not only will we have fun making virgin daiquiris after we finish our installation and configuration in 10 minutes, we'll enjoy watching the Linux guy sweat as he tries to finish a fully configured, secure and optimized webserver in less than 30 minutes ;) cheers, -matt > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Matt Olander (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax www.offmyserver.com -- "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't" -Mark Twain From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 12:46:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F84D37B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (iweb2.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCFE343F3F for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5LJYdQs042088; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:34:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5LJYclM042087; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:34:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:34:38 -0700 From: Matt Olander To: Josef El-Rayes Message-ID: <20030621123438.D41990@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> <20030621164515.GA7088@daemon.li> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20030621164515.GA7088@daemon.li>; from j.el-rayes@daemon.li on Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:45:15PM +0200 cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:46:18 -0000 On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:45:15PM +0200, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > although i find this quite nice it seems to be a bit too much of > pro-freebsd. it also needs some updating. linux has got a journaling > filesystem, ext2 is not the choice anymore. commercial support is better > for linux than for freebsd. i also think that linux has usually a better > device driver support, or put it this way, a broader variety. it's definitely pro-freebsd ;) > so after some modifing, to make it more objective, this article would be very nice. > but thats just my opinion. yes, absolutely correct. freebsd has made a bit of progress too. I'll post a link to an updated version if Murray and I do one. hrm...maybe I'll find an unbiased Linux person for input. -matt From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 12:53:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7D9C37B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:53:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl (pr93.lublin.sdi.tpnet.pl [217.97.36.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CE9CF43F3F for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michal@pasternak.w.lub.pl) Received: (qmail 13165 invoked by uid 1000); 21 Jun 2003 21:57:43 -0000 Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:57:43 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3?= Pasternak To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20030621215743.GA13137@pasternak.w.lub.pl> References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> <20030621123133.C41990@knight.ixsystems.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20030621123133.C41990@knight.ixsystems.net> cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Michal Pasternak List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:53:45 -0000 Matt Olander [Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 12:31:33PM -0700]: [...] > It's not really our intention to beat Linux in a webserver benchmark, > but not only will we have fun making virgin daiquiris after we finish > our installation and configuration in 10 minutes, we'll enjoy watching > the Linux guy sweat as he tries to finish a fully configured, secure > and optimized webserver in less than 30 minutes ;) Could you provide any details about that? I mean, why should it be so odd to provide secure WWW server ni less than 30 min. with Linux? -- Micha³ Pasternak :: http://pasternak.w.lub.pl From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 13:27:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24F337B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from regina.plastikos.com (216-107-106-250.wan.networktel.net [216.107.106.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A7143F85 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 13:27:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (adsl-32-252-88.jan.bellsouth.net [67.32.252.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by regina.plastikos.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9DA6EEB9; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 9300020F8D; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:27:03 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Micha? Pasternak Message-ID: <20030621202703.GB10127@over-yonder.net> References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly> <20030621123133.C41990@knight.ixsystems.net> <20030621215743.GA13137@pasternak.w.lub.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030621215743.GA13137@pasternak.w.lub.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 20:27:18 -0000 On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 11:57:43PM +0200 I heard the voice of Micha? Pasternak, and lo! it spake thus: > > Could you provide any details about that? I mean, why should it be so odd > to provide secure WWW server ni less than 30 min. with Linux? Well, for starters, because you install Mandrake, then have to rebuild Apache to get rid of the completely bizarro setup they splat on by default ;) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 16:25:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D7237B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net (outbound03.telus.net [199.185.220.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E551643FE1 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:25:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from starfly ([209.121.11.113]) by priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.netSMTP <20030621232536.IRQW28314.priv-edtnes12-hme0.telusplanet.net@starfly>; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:25:36 -0600 Message-ID: <001e01c3384c$695e6610$c601a8c0@starfly> From: "Peter" To: "Matthew D. Fuller" , "Micha? Pasternak" References: <002201c33812$5b881e80$c601a8c0@starfly><20030621123133.C41990@knight.ixsystems.net><20030621215743.GA13137@pasternak.w.lub.pl> <20030621202703.GB10127@over-yonder.net> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:25:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1193 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1193 cc: bsd-advocacy@daemonnews.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 23:25:38 -0000 People run Mandrake on servers? I would at least think they would use Redhat.. --Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: "Micha? Pasternak" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 1:27 PM Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux vs. Windows > On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 11:57:43PM +0200 I heard the voice of > Micha? Pasternak, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > Could you provide any details about that? I mean, why should it be so odd > > to provide secure WWW server ni less than 30 min. with Linux? > > Well, for starters, because you install Mandrake, then have to rebuild > Apache to get rid of the completely bizarro setup they splat on by > default ;) > > > > -- > Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net > Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ > > "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I > haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 18:26:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E2637B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697F343FA3 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:26:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from starfly ([209.121.11.113]) by priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with SMTP id <20030622012626.JUSA28759.priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net@starfly> for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:26:26 -0600 Message-ID: <007901c3385d$4c259030$c601a8c0@starfly> From: "Peter" To: Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:26:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1193 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1193 Subject: FreeBSD powered by images X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 01:26:28 -0000 As there aren't very many FreeBSD powered by images that go along with every site. I have created one using the familiar BSD daemon with "Powered by" and "Operating System". You can grab the PSD, GIF, PNG, and JPEG at http://peterkieser.net/power_freebsd/. Cheers, -- Peter Kieser pfak@telus.net From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 21:39:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC35437B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (iweb2.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301FC43F85 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:39:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: from knight.ixsystems.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.9/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5M4RrQs043364; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto@knight.ixsystems.net) Received: (from matto@localhost) by knight.ixsystems.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5M4RrBp043363; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matto) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 21:27:53 -0700 From: Matt Olander To: Peter Message-ID: <20030621212753.A43324@knight.ixsystems.net> References: <007901c3385d$4c259030$c601a8c0@starfly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <007901c3385d$4c259030$c601a8c0@starfly>; from pfak@telus.net on Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:26:25PM -0700 cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD powered by images X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 04:39:31 -0000 On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 06:26:25PM -0700, Peter wrote: > As there aren't very many FreeBSD powered by images that go along with every > site. > > I have created one using the familiar BSD daemon with "Powered by" and > "Operating System". > > You can grab the PSD, GIF, PNG, and JPEG at > http://peterkieser.net/power_freebsd/. thanks Peter! looks quite nice. I already put it on the sidebar of our site, http://www.offmyserver.com. it'll show up on every page now ;) -matt > > Cheers, > > -- > Peter Kieser > pfak@telus.net > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Matt Olander (408)943-4100 Phone (408)943-4101 Fax www.offmyserver.com -- "Those who don't read have no advantage over those who can't" -Mark Twain