From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 07:56:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA9DB37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F11E43F85 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:56:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3DEuKpH046284; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:56:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3DEuJUM046283; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:56:19 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jim Message-ID: <20030413145619.GA46249@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030413012206.6862.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030413012206.6862.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems w/isp0 on MiataGL since 4.7-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 14:56:22 -0000 On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 06:22:06PM -0700, Jim wrote: > I have seen the following problem, first when booting from the > 4.7-RELEASE floppies. I also saw it after successfully installing > 4.6.2-RELEASE, while upgrading to the most recent 4.8-STABLE (after > make installkernel, during the reboot into single-user): > > > Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > isp0: command timed out for 0:15:0 > isp0: command timed out for 0:14:0 > isp0: command timed out for 0:13:0 > isp0: command timed out for 0:12:0 > (probe7:isp0:0:8:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0x8 > (probe7:isp0:0:9:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0x9 > (probe7:isp0:0:10:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0xa > (probe7:isp0:0:11:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0xb > isp0: cannot find handle 0xb (status 0x6) > isp0: cannot find handle 0xa (status 0x6) > isp0: cannot find handle 0x9 (status 0x6) > isp0: cannot find handle 0x8 (status 0x6) > > > The same portion of a normal dmesg (from a 4.6.2-RELEASE kernel) looks > like: > > > Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a > da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > da1 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged Queueing > Enabled > da1: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > > > With this problem, none of the SCSI disks are detected correctly. > > Does anyone know of changes related to the isp driver between > 4.6.2-RELEASE and 4.7-RELEASE that may have caused this problem? Do you have ispfw.ko loaded? If not, I suggest to give that a try. mjacob, the isp(4) author strongly suggests getting the firmware from the .ko and not the isp firmware from the SRM. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 18:28:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2035C37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40810.mail.yahoo.com (web40810.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 84D2943FCB for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:28:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vashquez@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030414012844.71687.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.189.4.247] by web40810.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:28:44 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:28:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim To: Wilko Bulte In-Reply-To: <20030413145619.GA46249@freebie.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems w/isp0 on MiataGL since 4.7-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:28:48 -0000 Thanks for the response. I tried adding: ispfw_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf. The module was then loaded at boot time, but I still have similar messages, along with new messages to the effect of: isp0: Auto Request Sense failed for 0.10.0 So it did not fix the problem. Perhaps there are some option(s) I can add to the kernel config to get a more verbose printout of what the isp driver is trying to do? Since you mentioned the SRM, I should add that I have V7.2-1, which I believe is the most recent for this PWS600au, at least according to http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/digitalpw.html. If there's more information I can provide from the SRM or kernel, I'll be glad to do so. The only other oddity I have seen (and this is on both functioning and non-functioning kernels) is the line: isp0: invalid NVRAM header Not sure if that helps indicate a specific version of the Qlogic hardware or firmware. Jim --- Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Apr 12, 2003 at 06:22:06PM -0700, Jim wrote: > > I have seen the following problem, first when booting from the > > 4.7-RELEASE floppies. I also saw it after successfully installing > > 4.6.2-RELEASE, while upgrading to the most recent 4.8-STABLE (after > > make installkernel, during the reboot into single-user): > > > > > > Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > isp0: command timed out for 0:15:0 > > isp0: command timed out for 0:14:0 > > isp0: command timed out for 0:13:0 > > isp0: command timed out for 0:12:0 > > (probe7:isp0:0:8:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0x8 > > (probe7:isp0:0:9:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0x9 > > (probe7:isp0:0:10:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0xa > > (probe7:isp0:0:11:0): isp0: watchdog timeout for handle 0xb > > isp0: cannot find handle 0xb (status 0x6) > > isp0: cannot find handle 0xa (status 0x6) > > isp0: cannot find handle 0x9 (status 0x6) > > isp0: cannot find handle 0x8 (status 0x6) > > > > > > The same portion of a normal dmesg (from a 4.6.2-RELEASE kernel) > looks > > like: > > > > > > Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle > > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a > > da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 > > da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged > Queueing > > Enabled > > da0: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > > da1 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 > > da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > > da1: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 8, 16bit), Tagged > Queueing > > Enabled > > da1: 4091MB (8380080 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 521C) > > > > > > With this problem, none of the SCSI disks are detected correctly. > > > > Does anyone know of changes related to the isp driver between > > 4.6.2-RELEASE and 4.7-RELEASE that may have caused this problem? > > Do you have ispfw.ko loaded? If not, I suggest to give that a try. > mjacob, > the isp(4) author strongly suggests getting the firmware from the .ko > and > not the isp firmware from the SRM. > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 18:42:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDEC37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta08.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5304943FE9 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:42:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from pootah.ozemail.com.au ([63.34.226.153]) by mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP <20030414014203.IDHE27079.mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au@pootah.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:42:03 +1000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030414112650.02605950@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:32:55 +1000 To: Jim From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <20030414012844.71687.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030413145619.GA46249@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems w/isp0 on MiataGL since 4.7-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 01:42:17 -0000 At 11:28 AM 14/04/03, Jim sent this up the stick: >I tried adding: >ispfw_load="YES" >to /boot/loader.conf. The module was then loaded at boot time, but I >still have similar messages, along with new messages to the effect of: > >isp0: Auto Request Sense failed for 0.10.0 >Since you mentioned the SRM, I should add that I have V7.2-1, which I >believe is the most recent for this PWS600au, at least according to >http://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/digitalpw.html. >If there's more information I can provide from the SRM or kernel, I'll >be glad to do so. What is the output of 'sho pkc* is SRM? Make sure that the variables are set as follows: pkc0_mode ultra pkc0_soft_term on If they are, then you may like to try a new SCSI cable. >The only other oddity I have seen (and this is on both functioning and >non-functioning kernels) is the line: > >isp0: invalid NVRAM header > >Not sure if that helps indicate a specific version of the Qlogic >hardware or firmware. Hmm .. sounds like you have more a hardware problem than a FreeBSD problem. My PWS 500au uses the inbuilt ISP fine. Cheers, Rob -- Disk space - the final frontier! This is random quote 428 of 1254. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 20:05:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242D437B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40807.mail.yahoo.com (web40807.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.184]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFD5643FA3 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:05:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vashquez@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030414030550.2168.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.189.4.247] by web40807.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:05:50 PDT Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:05:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim To: Rob B In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030414112650.02605950@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems w/isp0 on MiataGL since 4.7-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:05:51 -0000 pkc0_mode was set to "fast". Setting it to "ultra", as well as using ispfw.ko, appears to fix the problem. Also, to clarify, I don't get the "invalid NVRAM header" when using ispfw.ko. I wish the SRM settings seemed a little less like black magic to me. I'm guessing this setting was to control the adapter's speed. Does the driver assume it's "ultra"? Just trying to figure out why it stopped working between 4.6.2 and 4.7. Regardless, thanks for the help. Jim --- Rob B wrote: > > What is the output of 'sho pkc* is SRM? Make sure that the > variables are > set as follows: > > pkc0_mode ultra > pkc0_soft_term on > > If they are, then you may like to try a new SCSI cable. > > >The only other oddity I have seen (and this is on both functioning > and > >non-functioning kernels) is the line: > > > >isp0: invalid NVRAM header > > > >Not sure if that helps indicate a specific version of the Qlogic > >hardware or firmware. > > Hmm .. sounds like you have more a hardware problem than a FreeBSD > problem. My PWS 500au uses the inbuilt ISP fine. > > Cheers, > Rob > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 20:11:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F17B37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta08.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793CC43F3F for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:11:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from pootah.ozemail.com.au ([63.34.226.153]) by mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP <20030414031146.JKLD27079.mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au@pootah.ozemail.com.au>; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:11:46 +1000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030414130118.0265d080@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rbyrnes@pop.ozemail.com.au@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:02:56 +1000 To: Jim From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <20030414030550.2168.qmail@web40807.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030414112650.02605950@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problems w/isp0 on MiataGL since 4.7-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 03:11:49 -0000 At 01:05 PM 14/04/03, Jim sent this up the stick: >pkc0_mode was set to "fast". Setting it to "ultra", as well as using >ispfw.ko, appears to fix the problem. Also, to clarify, I don't get >the "invalid NVRAM header" when using ispfw.ko. > >I wish the SRM settings seemed a little less like black magic to me. >I'm guessing this setting was to control the adapter's speed. Does the >driver assume it's "ultra"? Just trying to figure out why it stopped >working between 4.6.2 and 4.7. SRM is black magic to everybody so don't feel bad :) I just know that mine works that way, so I figured yours would too. >Regardless, thanks for the help. No worries Rob >--- Rob B wrote: > > > > What is the output of 'sho pkc* is SRM? Make sure that the > > variables are > > set as follows: > > > > pkc0_mode ultra > > pkc0_soft_term on > > > > If they are, then you may like to try a new SCSI cable. > > > > >The only other oddity I have seen (and this is on both functioning > > and > > >non-functioning kernels) is the line: > > > > > >isp0: invalid NVRAM header > > > > > >Not sure if that helps indicate a specific version of the Qlogic > > >hardware or firmware. > > > > Hmm .. sounds like you have more a hardware problem than a FreeBSD > > problem. My PWS 500au uses the inbuilt ISP fine. > > -- As of next week, passwords will be entered in Morse code. This is random quote 284 of 1254. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 06:12:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 724CD37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC67843F93 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:12:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3EDCp4k036145 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:12:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5E5A436D81; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 346C330C01 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:12:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * Subject: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:12:58 -0000 hello, FreeBSD-4.8, XP1000. I installed a FAStrak 100: atapci2: port 0x1010-0x101f,0x1034-0x1037,0x1028-0x102f,0x1030-0x1033,0x1020-0x1027 mem 0x1020000-0x102ffff irq 32 at device 13.0 on pci0 and I Attached a UDMA disk: ad0: 38172MB [77557/16/63] at ata3-master UDMA100 the problem is that I got often these messages: ad0: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 78177393 of 0-3 (ad0 bn 78177393; cn 77556 tn 15 sn 0) retrying and often it reverts to PIO mode... anyone has hints how I could fix this problem? could it be given by the fact that I isntalled the PCI card on the 64-bit slot? thanks Rick From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 06:21:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C03037B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:21:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116B743F93 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:21:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3EDLI4k036485 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:21:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B35336D81; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3075C30C01 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:21:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:21:20 -0000 I Reply to myself 1) bad ATA100 cable 2) hard drive is dieing any other ideas? thanks Rick On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it wrote: > > hello, > FreeBSD-4.8, XP1000. > I installed a FAStrak 100: > > atapci2: port > 0x1010-0x101f,0x1034-0x1037,0x1028-0x102f,0x1030-0x1033,0x1020-0x1027 mem > 0x1020000-0x102ffff irq 32 at device 13.0 on pci0 > > and I Attached a UDMA disk: > > ad0: 38172MB [77557/16/63] at ata3-master > UDMA100 > > the problem is that I got often these messages: > > ad0: UDMA ICRC error reading fsbn 78177393 of 0-3 (ad0 bn 78177393; cn > 77556 tn 15 sn 0) retrying > > and often it reverts to PIO mode... > > anyone has hints how I could fix this problem? > could it be given by the fact that I isntalled the PCI card on the 64-bit > slot? > thanks > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 06:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B110137B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BA943FDF for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EDM5MS006644 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3EDM0I55022; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:22:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16026.46584.737019.331576@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:22:00 -0400 (EDT) To: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:22:24 -0000 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > anyone has hints how I could fix this problem? I'm re-sending something I sent a few months back when somebody else complained of the same problem in a miata. Miata's and xp1000 have the same form factor, all the the below applies: Why? Well, alphas are electrinically noisy, and physically cramped. The 500au in particular was designed by some sort of sadist who wanted things to look pretty and didn't give a damn how things worked on the inside. If I had a $1.00 for every drop of blood I ever lost by skinning my knuckles inserting or removing drives or pci cards from miatas, I'd be rich. Rant aside, ATA cables are VERY sensative to EMI noise. What's happening to you is that the cable is either badly twisted, running too close to an EMI source, or both. This is causing the transfers across the cable between the controller and the disk to be corrupted (that's the ICRC error you're seeing). This is NOT the fault of the software, rather its a real hardware problemn with your setup. The software is saving you from serious disk corruption. I suggest moving things around inside and making sure that the cables are kink-free and don't run close to a source of EMI noise (cpu, powersupply, other pci cards). This is much easier said than done on a miata like yours. You might also consider purchasing the highest quality cables you can find (I have no suggestions as to brand..). Maybe serial ata has better sheilding and would do better. I dunno. I do know that it took me 3 sets of cables and considerable fiddling to get ata33 to work on a UP1000. Alternatively, you could use atacontrol to force a slower mode like udma66 or udma33 which the cable might be more capable of handling. I have an old promise card in my miata which seems to handle udma33 OK. Good luck. You'll need it. Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 06:45:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0996037B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D109743FBD for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:45:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3EDjI4k037536 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:45:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B106636D81; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:45:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8395530C01 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:45:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:45:17 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <16026.46584.737019.331576@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:45:21 -0000 yeah..... thanks for sending me this reply, it's really my problem, I tyed 3 different ATA cables, and different disks the problem always stays. With a SAMSUNG ata100 disk I Even had a kernel crash. I'll try some different cable... for curiosity how muc hperform embedded IDE controller on XP1000, is it worse than UDMA 33?? thanks Rick On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > > > anyone has hints how I could fix this problem? > > I'm re-sending something I sent a few months back when somebody else > complained of the same problem in a miata. Miata's and xp1000 have > the same form factor, all the the below applies: > > > Why? Well, alphas are electrinically noisy, and physically cramped. > The 500au in particular was designed by some sort of sadist who > wanted things to look pretty and didn't give a damn how things > worked on the inside. If I had a $1.00 for every drop of blood I > ever lost by skinning my knuckles inserting or removing drives or > pci cards from miatas, I'd be rich. > > Rant aside, ATA cables are VERY sensative to EMI noise. What's > happening to you is that the cable is either badly twisted, running > too close to an EMI source, or both. This is causing the transfers > across the cable between the controller and the disk to be corrupted > (that's the ICRC error you're seeing). This is NOT the fault of the > software, rather its a real hardware problemn with your setup. The > software is saving you from serious disk corruption. > > I suggest moving things around inside and making sure that the > cables are kink-free and don't run close to a source of EMI noise > (cpu, powersupply, other pci cards). This is much easier said than > done on a miata like yours. You might also consider purchasing the > highest quality cables you can find (I have no suggestions as to > brand..). Maybe serial ata has better sheilding and would do > better. I dunno. I do know that it took me 3 sets of cables and > considerable fiddling to get ata33 to work on a UP1000. > > Alternatively, you could use atacontrol to force a slower mode like > udma66 or udma33 which the cable might be more capable of handling. > I have an old promise card in my miata which seems to handle udma33 > OK. > > Good luck. You'll need it. > > Drew > > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 06:53:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3437B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:53:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B27143F75 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3EDrfMS010711 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3EDraZ55066; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:53:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16026.48480.782659.927698@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 09:53:36 -0400 (EDT) To: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it In-Reply-To: References: <16026.46584.737019.331576@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:53:47 -0000 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > for curiosity how muc hperform embedded IDE controller on XP1000, is it > worse than UDMA 33?? > Much worse. Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 07:30:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF97B37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:30:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35DB43F85 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 07:30:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3EEUQ4k038530 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59BE036D81; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B25D30C01 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:26 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 16:30:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:30:31 -0000 and is XP1000 IDE controller worse than PIO mode 4?? seems like I Cannot make udma work with this promise. I cahnged 4 cables, no luck. I Also changed PCI Slot, the resul is KErnel crashing. IT works only if I put promise on the second PCI 64 bit slot. On the lower bottom 32 bit PCI Slot it crashes. Rick On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it wrote: > > > yeah..... > thanks for sending me this reply, it's really my problem, > I tyed 3 different ATA cables, and different disks the problem always > stays. > With a SAMSUNG ata100 disk I Even had a kernel crash. > I'll try some different cable... > > for curiosity how muc hperform embedded IDE controller on XP1000, is it > worse than UDMA 33?? > > thanks > > Rick > > > > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > > > > > anyone has hints how I could fix this problem? > > > > I'm re-sending something I sent a few months back when somebody else > > complained of the same problem in a miata. Miata's and xp1000 have > > the same form factor, all the the below applies: > > > > > > Why? Well, alphas are electrinically noisy, and physically cramped. > > The 500au in particular was designed by some sort of sadist who > > wanted things to look pretty and didn't give a damn how things > > worked on the inside. If I had a $1.00 for every drop of blood I > > ever lost by skinning my knuckles inserting or removing drives or > > pci cards from miatas, I'd be rich. > > > > Rant aside, ATA cables are VERY sensative to EMI noise. What's > > happening to you is that the cable is either badly twisted, running > > too close to an EMI source, or both. This is causing the transfers > > across the cable between the controller and the disk to be corrupted > > (that's the ICRC error you're seeing). This is NOT the fault of the > > software, rather its a real hardware problemn with your setup. The > > software is saving you from serious disk corruption. > > > > I suggest moving things around inside and making sure that the > > cables are kink-free and don't run close to a source of EMI noise > > (cpu, powersupply, other pci cards). This is much easier said than > > done on a miata like yours. You might also consider purchasing the > > highest quality cables you can find (I have no suggestions as to > > brand..). Maybe serial ata has better sheilding and would do > > better. I dunno. I do know that it took me 3 sets of cables and > > considerable fiddling to get ata33 to work on a UP1000. > > > > Alternatively, you could use atacontrol to force a slower mode like > > udma66 or udma33 which the cable might be more capable of handling. > > I have an old promise card in my miata which seems to handle udma33 > > OK. > > > > Good luck. You'll need it. > > > > Drew > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 14:05:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E5D37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thea.blinkenlights.nl (thea.blinkenlights.nl [62.58.162.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6966943FB1 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:05:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 597CF22506; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:05:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DE8F415; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:05:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:05:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Sten To: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:05:41 -0000 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it wrote: > > and is XP1000 IDE controller worse than PIO mode 4?? > seems like I Cannot make udma work with this promise. > I cahnged 4 cables, no luck. > I Also changed PCI Slot, the resul is KErnel crashing. > IT works only if I put promise on the second PCI 64 bit slot. > On the lower bottom 32 bit PCI Slot it crashes. I had the same issues with my 164SX alpha, using a promise card. This machine is a rackmount box that isn't particularly cramped or em noisy. The solution for me was switching to an umda33 cable wich works just fine. My gut feeling is that there is something borking in the code, but that particular machine is doing useful stuff so I can't really test it. I do have an alphastion500 and a promise laying around, if there is demand then I'll go through the hasse of verifying the card with mutiple cables. -- Sten Spans There is a crack in everything that's how the light gets in. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 14:08:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F7437B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thea.blinkenlights.nl (thea.blinkenlights.nl [62.58.162.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2DA43F85 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 7998D22506; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775BFF415; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:08:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:08:34 +0200 (CEST) From: Sten To: Andrew Gallatin In-Reply-To: <16026.48480.782659.927698@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: References: <16026.46584.737019.331576@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <16026.48480.782659.927698@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 21:08:35 -0000 On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > > for curiosity how muc hperform embedded IDE controller on XP1000, is it > > worse than UDMA 33?? > > > > Much worse. MAXTOR 6L080J4: Cypress 82C693 ATA controller : 6-8mb pio ( high cpu load ) Promise TX2 ATA133 controller ( udma33 ) : 20mb udma -- Sten Spans There is a crack in everything that's how the light gets in. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 23:59:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA66037B404 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5575A43F75 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:59:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3F6xC4k057461; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:59:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CFB2C36D81; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB0D30C01; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:59:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: Sten In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, TO_LOCALPART_EQ_REAL,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:59:23 -0000 This is the performance with promise TX2 ATA100: 2MB/s PIO4 it is s shit much worse than Cypress It's impossible for me to go any better than PIO4 with fastrak, I tried 5 different set of ATA cables. Rick On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Sten wrote: > On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > > > for curiosity how muc hperform embedded IDE controller on XP1000, is it > > > worse than UDMA 33?? > > > > > > > Much worse. > > MAXTOR 6L080J4: > > Cypress 82C693 ATA controller : 6-8mb pio ( high cpu load ) > Promise TX2 ATA133 controller ( udma33 ) : 20mb udma > > -- > Sten Spans > > There is a crack in everything that's how the light gets in. > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 08:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACAD37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smartrafficenter.org (pacer.smartrafficenter.org [207.14.56.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1C2943FDD for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:42:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kpieckiel@smartrafficenter.org) Received: (qmail 67193 invoked by uid 1500); 15 Apr 2003 15:42:29 -0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:42:29 -0400 From: "Kevin A. Pieckiel" To: Andrew Gallatin Message-ID: <20030415154229.GG90878@pacer.dmz.smartrafficenter.org> References: <16026.46584.737019.331576@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16026.46584.737019.331576@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:42:40 -0000 --t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 09:22:00AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Rant aside, ATA cables are VERY sensative to EMI noise. What's > happening to you is that the cable is either badly twisted, running > too close to an EMI source, or both. This is causing the transfers > across the cable between the controller and the disk to be corrupted > (that's the ICRC error you're seeing). This is NOT the fault of the > software, rather its a real hardware problemn with your setup. The > software is saving you from serious disk corruption. Are these types of issues IDE specific, or are there similar issues with SCSI cabling as well? Kevin --- This message was signed by GnuPG. E-Mail kpieckiel-pgp@smartrafficenter.org to receive my public key. You may also get my key from pgpkeys.mit.edu; my ID is 0xF1604E92 and will expire on 01 January 2004. --t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+nChlc3iJbvFgTpIRAgWdAJwNseOvjkExTKL0MTe+ohjirzLmBACfRKTm +8zK+2d0xr7jJtkVBv1omYc= =luL6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --t4apE7yKrX2dGgJC-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 08:55:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C2E537B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (ip-204-97-176-41.modem.logical.net [204.97.176.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE9043F75 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jakari@bithose.com) Received: from poptart.bithose.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by poptart.bithose.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3FFtHil018354; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (jakari@localhost)h3FFtHCI018350; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:55:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: poptart.bithose.com: jakari owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:55:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Jameel Akari To: "Kevin A. Pieckiel" In-Reply-To: <20030415154229.GG90878@pacer.dmz.smartrafficenter.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:55:22 -0000 On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Kevin A. Pieckiel wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 09:22:00AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Rant aside, ATA cables are VERY sensative to EMI noise. What's > > happening to you is that the cable is either badly twisted, running > > Are these types of issues IDE specific, or are there similar issues with > SCSI cabling as well? Yes and no.. IDE's big failing (IMO) is that it's basically unterminated. It's tuned for a certain signal level and cable length in the hope that you don't need termination. There are a lot of variables, but in my experience IDE is more susceptable to radiated noise than SCSI cabling. I was always under the impression it was tuned for an 18" cable length but I'm seeing all sorts of sizes these days; I seriously doubt the 36"+ cables I see around are within spec. I've run max-length SCSI cables internally (with 5-6 attached devices) in a rather noisy system without any ill effect. OTOH, plain 40-pin IDE didn't fare well in that system.. CDROM was ok, hard disk was flaky. Switching to "UDMA" cables (80-conductor) resolved the issue, even though it wasn't a UDMA aware controller or drive in question. My Tivo used to randomly crash until I replaced its cheap 40-pin cable with a new UDMA one. Now it randomly crashes because I forgot to re-enable swap, but that's another matter... ;) I had the same sort of problem in an Alpha PC164, but in the end the onboard IDE was so terrible and Tru64 refused to run a hard disk on it, so I bought an ISP1040 and went SCSI, and it's been solid. -- #!/jameel/akari sleep 4800; make clean && make breakfast From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 01:02:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADE337B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EC143F93 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 01:02:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3G8224k090265; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:02:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D64136D81; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:02:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE2330C01; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:02:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:02:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: "Kevin A. Pieckiel" In-Reply-To: <20030415154229.GG90878@pacer.dmz.smartrafficenter.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05, USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:02:12 -0000 I never had problems on Miata and Monet with internal SCSI cables and devices. Rick On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Kevin A. Pieckiel wrote: > On Mon, Apr 14, 2003 at 09:22:00AM -0400, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Rant aside, ATA cables are VERY sensative to EMI noise. What's > > happening to you is that the cable is either badly twisted, running > > too close to an EMI source, or both. This is causing the transfers > > across the cable between the controller and the disk to be corrupted > > (that's the ICRC error you're seeing). This is NOT the fault of the > > software, rather its a real hardware problemn with your setup. The > > software is saving you from serious disk corruption. > > Are these types of issues IDE specific, or are there similar issues with > SCSI cabling as well? > > Kevin > > --- > This message was signed by GnuPG. E-Mail kpieckiel-pgp@smartrafficenter.org > to receive my public key. You may also get my key from pgpkeys.mit.edu; > my ID is 0xF1604E92 and will expire on 01 January 2004. > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 02:29:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E898537B404 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trillian.santala.org (ip212-226-173-33.adsl.kpnqwest.fi [212.226.173.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00B7743FAF for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:29:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake@iki.fi) Received: (qmail 45984 invoked by uid 11053); 16 Apr 2003 09:29:45 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 09:29:45 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:29:45 +0300 (EEST) From: Jarkko Santala X-X-Sender: jake@trillian.santala.org To: Jameel Akari In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030416122206.S316@trillian.santala.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:29:50 -0000 On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Jameel Akari wrote: > I had the same sort of problem in an Alpha PC164, but in the end > the onboard IDE was so terrible and Tru64 refused to run a hard disk on > it, so I bought an ISP1040 and went SCSI, and it's been solid. Well, I don't think it's that terrible: dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1m count=100: ad0: 104857600 bytes transferred in 6.863760 secs (15276991 bytes/sec) da0: 104857600 bytes transferred in 8.200968 secs (12786003 bytes/sec) atapci0: port 0x10180-0x1018f irq 5 at device 11.0 on pci0 ad0: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2 sym0: <875> port 0x10000-0x100ff mem 0x82064000-0x82064fff,0x82065000-0x820650ff irq 1 at device 7.0 on pci0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 16, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled If I correctly recall, the IDE cable is whatever-40-pin and the ad0 is in an el-cheapo removable tray with also 40-pin cabling. -jake -- Jarkko Santala http://www.iki.fi/~jake/ System Administrator 2001:670:83:f08::/64 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 02:34:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19CA37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.e-easy.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 307A643FDF for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:34:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h3G9Y5kh080396 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:34:05 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from chris@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.7.R) for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:03:53 +1000 From: "Chris Knight" To: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:03:51 +1000 Message-ID: <063a01c303f7$1a668e40$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-Return-Path: chris@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-98.9 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Subject: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@e-easy.com.au List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:34:17 -0000 Howdy, There's a DEC 3000/700 up on eBay (au). I'd be looking to run FreeBSD on it. Google came up with it being supported under NetBSD, but only with serial console support, and buggy serial drivers. Anyone know if this is capable of running FreeBSD? Regards, Chris Knight Systems Administrator E-Easy Tel: +61 3 6334 6664 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 Web: http://www.e-easy.com.au From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 03:50:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4251837B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:50:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (simba.sch.bme.hu [152.66.215.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB9C43FB1 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:50:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frts@simba.sch.bme.hu) Received: from simba.sch.bme.hu (localhost.sch.bme.hu [127.0.0.1]) by simba.sch.bme.hu (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3GAneBX029995; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from frts@simba.sch.bme.hu) Received: from localhost (frts@localhost)h3GAnbaF029989; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:39 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Istvan Gyenes To: Chris Knight In-Reply-To: <063a01c303f7$1a668e40$020aa8c0@aims.private> Message-ID: <20030416124559.K29660@simba.sch.bme.hu> References: <063a01c303f7$1a668e40$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:50:18 -0000 Hi, AFAIK TurboChannel support is not available in FreeBSD 5.0, but it seems to be available in 4.8-RELEASE. ( http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/hardware-alpha.html#AEN380 ) Hope this helps, -- Steve On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Chris Knight wrote: > Howdy, > > There's a DEC 3000/700 up on eBay (au). > I'd be looking to run FreeBSD on it. > Google came up with it being supported under NetBSD, but only with > serial console support, and buggy serial drivers. > Anyone know if this is capable of running FreeBSD? > > Regards, > Chris Knight > Systems Administrator > E-Easy > Tel: +61 3 6334 6664 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 > Web: http://www.e-easy.com.au > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 05:47:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2829437B405 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45F0943F85 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCkhMS025561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3GCkbQ58192; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:46:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16029.20653.825553.510122@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:46:37 -0400 (EDT) To: Chris Knight In-Reply-To: <20030416124559.K29660@simba.sch.bme.hu> References: <063a01c303f7$1a668e40$020aa8c0@aims.private> <20030416124559.K29660@simba.sch.bme.hu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:47:33 -0000 Istvan Gyenes writes: > Hi, > > AFAIK TurboChannel support is not available in FreeBSD 5.0, but it seems > to be available in 4.8-RELEASE. > ( http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/hardware-alpha.html#AEN380 ) > > Hope this helps, It was never very complete because there are no SCSI or display drivers. Unless you have the urge to port a SCSI driver from NetBSD, don't buy this to run FreeBSD Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 05:50:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D64B37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D02343FDD for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GCnxMS025819 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3GCnsX58195; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:49:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16029.20850.720877.563791@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:49:54 -0400 (EDT) To: Jarkko Santala In-Reply-To: <20030416122206.S316@trillian.santala.org> References: <20030416122206.S316@trillian.santala.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:50:06 -0000 Jarkko Santala writes: > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Jameel Akari wrote: > > > I had the same sort of problem in an Alpha PC164, but in the end > > the onboard IDE was so terrible and Tru64 refused to run a hard disk on > > it, so I bought an ISP1040 and went SCSI, and it's been solid. > > Well, I don't think it's that terrible: > > dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1m count=100: > ad0: 104857600 bytes transferred in 6.863760 secs (15276991 bytes/sec) > da0: 104857600 bytes transferred in 8.200968 secs (12786003 bytes/sec) > > atapci0: port 0x10180-0x1018f irq 5 at device 11.0 on pci0 > ad0: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2 FWIW, WDMA2 is not safe as there is no CRC checking. I've seen corrupted (random, infrequent single bit errors) files when running a PC164LX with an ata drive in WDMA2 mode. The higher modes (UDMA33 ..) get you CRC checking. As soon as we noticed the corruption, we moved the box to SCSI. Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 09:57:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C6A37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trillian.santala.org (ip212-226-173-33.adsl.kpnqwest.fi [212.226.173.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CD6A743F85 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:57:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake@iki.fi) Received: (qmail 46865 invoked by uid 11053); 16 Apr 2003 16:57:19 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 16:57:19 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:57:19 +0300 (EEST) From: Jarkko Santala X-X-Sender: jake@trillian.santala.org To: Andrew Gallatin In-Reply-To: <16029.20850.720877.563791@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20030416195422.S316@trillian.santala.org> References: <16029.20850.720877.563791@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:57:23 -0000 On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Jarkko Santala writes: > > On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Jameel Akari wrote: > > > > > I had the same sort of problem in an Alpha PC164, but in the end > > > the onboard IDE was so terrible and Tru64 refused to run a hard disk on > > > it, so I bought an ISP1040 and went SCSI, and it's been solid. > > > > Well, I don't think it's that terrible: > > > > dd if=/dev/zero of=foo bs=1m count=100: > > ad0: 104857600 bytes transferred in 6.863760 secs (15276991 bytes/sec) > > da0: 104857600 bytes transferred in 8.200968 secs (12786003 bytes/sec) > > > > atapci0: port 0x10180-0x1018f irq 5 at device 11.0 on pci0 > > ad0: 117246MB [238216/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2 > > FWIW, WDMA2 is not safe as there is no CRC checking. I've seen > corrupted (random, infrequent single bit errors) files when running a > PC164LX with an ata drive in WDMA2 mode. The higher modes (UDMA33 ..) > get you CRC checking. As soon as we noticed the corruption, we moved > the box to SCSI. I suppose no checking explains the performance. ;) But good to know anyway. Any reason why it gets enabled by default if its not safe? -jake -- Jarkko Santala http://www.iki.fi/~jake/ System Administrator 2001:670:83:f08::/64 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 10:02:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC6937B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3609643FA3 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GH2UMS015132 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3GH2Pa58412; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16029.36001.229632.79139@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT) To: Jarkko Santala In-Reply-To: <20030416195422.S316@trillian.santala.org> References: <20030416122206.S316@trillian.santala.org> <16029.20850.720877.563791@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030416195422.S316@trillian.santala.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:02:34 -0000 Jarkko Santala writes: > I suppose no checking explains the performance. ;) But good to know > anyway. Any reason why it gets enabled by default if its not safe? The ata code just enables the highest available mode by default. I'm no expert, but I don't think PIO is safe either. I think it just stresses things so much less than DMA that its assumed to be safe. Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 11:58:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11FB837B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from trillian.santala.org (ip212-226-173-33.adsl.kpnqwest.fi [212.226.173.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E9EBE43FA3 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jake@iki.fi) Received: (qmail 47123 invoked by uid 11053); 16 Apr 2003 18:58:54 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 18:58:54 -0000 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:58:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Jarkko Santala X-X-Sender: jake@trillian.santala.org To: Andrew Gallatin In-Reply-To: <16029.36001.229632.79139@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20030416215733.R316@trillian.santala.org> References: <16029.20850.720877.563791@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <16029.36001.229632.79139@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:58:57 -0000 On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Jarkko Santala writes: > > I suppose no checking explains the performance. ;) But good to know > > anyway. Any reason why it gets enabled by default if its not safe? > > The ata code just enables the highest available mode by default. > > I'm no expert, but I don't think PIO is safe either. I think it just > stresses things so much less than DMA that its assumed to be safe. Drew How about adding all this into the alpha Hardware Notes? -jake -- Jarkko Santala http://www.iki.fi/~jake/ System Administrator 2001:670:83:f08::/64 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 12:03:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D3137B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44FE43F75 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:03:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3GJ3nMS026370 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3GJ3iB58510; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:03:44 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16029.43279.992129.920914@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:03:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Jarkko Santala In-Reply-To: <20030416215733.R316@trillian.santala.org> References: <20030416122206.S316@trillian.santala.org> <16029.20850.720877.563791@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030416195422.S316@trillian.santala.org> <16029.36001.229632.79139@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030416215733.R316@trillian.santala.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with UDMA mode on XP1000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 19:03:51 -0000 Jarkko Santala writes: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > > Jarkko Santala writes: > > > I suppose no checking explains the performance. ;) But good to know > > > anyway. Any reason why it gets enabled by default if its not safe? > > > > The ata code just enables the highest available mode by default. > > > > I'm no expert, but I don't think PIO is safe either. I think it just > > stresses things so much less than DMA that its assumed to be safe. Drew > > How about adding all this into the alpha Hardware Notes? > Its not alpha specific... Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 13:35:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BED137B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E743D43FE0 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:35:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from pooh.honeypot.net.strauser.com (kirk@pooh.honeypot.net [10.0.5.128]) by kanga.honeypot.net (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h3GKZlbG009645 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:35:48 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: Kirk Strauser Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:35:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87znnoynjy.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> (Kirk Strauser's message of "Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:31:45 -0600") Message-ID: <87u1cydvto.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> Lines: 41 X-Mailer: Gnus/5.090017 (Oort Gnus v0.17) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) References: <87znnoynjy.fsf@pooh.honeypot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Tuning my PC64 (heh!) X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:35:53 -0000 At 2003-03-22T05:31:45Z, Kirk Strauser writes: > 2) I've installed a Tekram DC-390f U/W SCSI card, and two U/W drives: a 4GB > IBM and a 9GB IBM. Throughput is dismal, to say the least: > bonnie++ on the 9GB: > > Version 1.93c ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- > Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- > Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP > gopher.honeypo 300M 6 99 9349 94 4957 68 11 99 12079 96 235.7 106 > Latency 1586ms 145ms 138ms 803ms 13585us 1979ms > Version 1.93c ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- > gopher.honeypot.net -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- > files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP > 16 92 11 4292 99 155 12 83 10 4124 99 257 24 > Latency 488ms 1891us 262ms 364ms 2565us 257ms I recently upgrade from 4.7-STABLE to 4.8-STABLE. At the same time, I switched from running my Etherexpress Pro 100 (fxp) NICs in polled mode from interrupted mode, and removed "options HZ=1000" from my kernel. The new benchmarks are much more reasonable: Version 1.93c ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random- Concurrency 1 -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks-- Machine Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP /sec %CP gopher.honeypo 300M 11 99 14286 90 6779 54 19 99 19580 92 266.4 60 Latency 741ms 34686us 118ms 441ms 28710us 2597ms Version 1.93c ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create-------- gopher.honeypot.net -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- files /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP /sec %CP 16 1819 95 4697 91 3126 95 1544 77 5027 98 2512 88 Latency 213ms 252ms 51272us 375ms 1405us 17868us 1.93c,1.93c,gopher.honeypot.net,1,1050522814,300M,,11,99,14286,90,6779,54,19,99,19580,92,266.4,60,16,,,,,1819,95,4697,91,3126,95,1544,77,5027,98,2512,88,741ms,34686us,118ms,441ms,28710us,2597ms,213ms,252ms,51272us,375ms,1405us,17868us No hardware upgrades of any kind were involved; just a little bit of tuning. I'm posting this to save future PC64 hobbyists a bit of trouble. -- Kirk Strauser From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 16:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAE837B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tartarus.telenet-ops.be (tartarus.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2240043FEA for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:58:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tartarus.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CDFEDB979 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fortuna.home.paeps.cx (D5768746.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.135.70]) by tartarus.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2215EDB950 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:58:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from juno.home.paeps.cx (juno.home.paeps.cx [2001:ab8:2007:0:240:f4ff:fe31:3090]) by fortuna.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E1220AA for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:58:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: by juno.home.paeps.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D703A21B2; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:58:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:58:36 +0200 From: Philip Paeps To: alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: alpha@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline X-Date-in-Rome: ante diem XV Kalendas Maias MMDCCLVI ab Urbe Condida X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Truss refuses to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 23:58:39 -0000 Hi guys - For the last week or so, I can't seem to get buildworld to complete. It fails on trying to compile truss with the following error: ===> usr.bin/truss cp /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/../../sys/kern/syscalls.master syscalls.master /bin/sh /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/../../sys/kern/makesyscalls.sh syscalls.master /usr/src/usr.bin/truss/i386.conf awk: floating point exception 8 input record number 325, file source line number 87 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/src/usr.bin/truss. *** Error code 1 Is anyone else seeing this, or have I somehow managed to break something? :-o Thanks! - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't CC me, I am philip@paeps.cx subscribed to the list. If an experiment works, you must be using the wrong equipment. From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 17:54:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F63537B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DDF43FD7 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:54:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3H0svMS022840 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3H0sqc58792; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:54:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 20:54:51 -0400 (EDT) To: Philip Paeps In-Reply-To: <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> References: <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Truss refuses to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 00:54:58 -0000 Philip Paeps writes: > > Is anyone else seeing this, or have I somehow managed to break something? :-o > I got around this by building a new awk and a new libc, then installing them, then building world. Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 18:21:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9494237B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (eth0.lnk.e-easy.com.au [203.31.73.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D8FB43F93 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:21:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@e-easy.com.au) Received: from postoffice.aims.com.au (nts-ts1.aims.private [192.168.10.2]) by postoffice.aims.com.au with ESMTP id h3H1K1XT060999 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:20:01 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from chris@e-easy.com.au) Received: from ntsts1 by aims.com.au with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.7.7.R) for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:49:44 +1000 From: "Chris Knight" To: Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:49:42 +1000 Message-ID: <06b201c3047b$3c914df0$020aa8c0@aims.private> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <16029.20653.825553.510122@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4920.2300 X-Return-Path: chris@e-easy.com.au X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: RE: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: chris@e-easy.com.au List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 01:21:09 -0000 Howdy, > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gallatin [mailto:gallatin@cs.duke.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, 16 April 2003 22:47 > To: Chris Knight > Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: DEC 3000/700? > > > > Istvan Gyenes writes: > > Hi, > > > > AFAIK TurboChannel support is not available in FreeBSD 5.0, but it > > seems to be available in 4.8-RELEASE. > > ( http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.8R/hardware-alpha.html#AEN380 ) > > > > Hope this helps, > Didn't think to check the 4.8 Hardware docs - I'd assumed that 5.0 would have been more complete. > It was never very complete because there are no SCSI or display > drivers. > Well, serial only access is fine, but diskless booting isn't so great. > Unless you have the urge to port a SCSI driver from NetBSD, don't buy > this to run FreeBSD > OK. Thanks for the info. I'll keep looking for a reasonably supported Alpha. > Drew > Regards, Chris Knight Systems Administrator E-Easy Tel: +61 3 6334 6664 Fax: +61 3 6331 7032 Mob: +61 419 528 795 Web: http://www.e-easy.com.au From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 06:14:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41FDC37B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:14:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6D643FDD for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 06:14:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HDDvpH064029; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:13:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HDDtCa064028; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:13:55 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:13:55 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Chris Knight Message-ID: <20030417131355.GA64013@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <16029.20653.825553.510122@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <06b201c3047b$3c914df0$020aa8c0@aims.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <06b201c3047b$3c914df0$020aa8c0@aims.private> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 13:14:15 -0000 On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 10:49:42AM +1000, Chris Knight wrote: > > > AFAIK TurboChannel support is not available in FreeBSD 5.0, but it > > > seems to be available in 4.8-RELEASE. But it was not tested at all for 4.8 so... > Didn't think to check the 4.8 Hardware docs - I'd assumed that 5.0 > would have been more complete. 5- dropped support for DEC3000 altogether. > > It was never very complete because there are no SCSI or display > > drivers. A long time ago SCSI worked on DEC3000 IIRC (pre-CAM era). If you want to run this box go for NetBSD. > > Unless you have the urge to port a SCSI driver from NetBSD, don't buy > > this to run FreeBSD You don't want to *buy* a DEC3000 anyway. By now they should be free from your neighbourhood dumpster. They are neat pieces of engineering, built like a tank etc. But just completely obsolete by now. -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 08:38:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC4437B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4E3F43FBD for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3HFcE4k038151 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:38:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D5DB136D81; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB21730C01 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:38:13 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:38:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * Subject: gnome 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:38:18 -0000 Hello, on my XP1000 when I Start a Gnome session the machine freezes, no log in any file about the event, the machine is not accessbile from console neither remotely and I Am unable to track down the event which makes it crash. Maybe it could be something related to the XFree86 driver for the video card, anyway any other window manager is working so it's not a problem just asking if someone tryed out Gnome on XP1000 or Miata thanks Rick From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 08:50:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CB7237B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E30A43F85 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 08:50:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HFoIMS015791 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h3HFoDZ60003; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16030.52533.424652.796111@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:50:13 -0400 (EDT) To: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gnome 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:50:23 -0000 Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it writes: > > Hello, > on my XP1000 when I Start a Gnome session the machine freezes, > no log in any file about the event, the machine is not accessbile from If you want information on what's causing the problem, you'll need to use a serial console & enable 'options DDB' in your kernel. Drew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 10:07:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2403E37B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horkos.telenet-ops.be (horkos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CB143F85 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:07:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by horkos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 6FBA283C3E; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:07:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fortuna.home.paeps.cx (D5768746.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.135.70]) by horkos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459B883C4F; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:07:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from juno.home.paeps.cx (juno.home.paeps.cx [2001:ab8:2007:0:240:f4ff:fe31:3090]) by fortuna.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B7D209F; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:06:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by juno.home.paeps.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DACA621D5; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:07:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:07:03 +0200 From: Philip Paeps To: Andrew Gallatin Message-ID: <20030417170703.GN1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew Gallatin , alpha@freebsd.org References: <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Date-in-Rome: ante diem XV Kalendas Maias MMDCCLVI ab Urbe Condida X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Truss refuses to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:07:06 -0000 On 2003-04-16 20:54:51 (-0400), Andrew Gallatin wrote: > Philip Paeps writes: > > Is anyone else seeing this, or have I somehow managed to break something? :-o > > > > I got around this by building a new awk and a new libc, then > installing them, then building world. Thanks for the tip, that worked! :-) - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't CC me, I am philip@paeps.cx subscribed to the list. BOFH Excuse #7: poor power conditioning From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 12:08:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4F737B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:08:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postino.fi.infn.it (postino.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C05343FAF for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:08:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it) Received: from dijkstra.fi.infn.it (dijkstra.fi.infn.it [192.84.145.13]) by postino.fi.infn.it (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3HJ7t4k043209; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:07:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 752FC36D81; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:07:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dijkstra.fi.infn.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4761230C01; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:07:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:07:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it X-X-Sender: fddi@dijkstra.fi.infn.it To: Chris Knight In-Reply-To: <20030417131355.GA64013@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020920) (postino.fi.infn.it) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, SUBJECT_MONTH_2,TO_BE_REMOVED_REPLY,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.43 cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:08:14 -0000 DEC3000/300 works GREAT with NetBSD installed on IT. Expecially NetBSD 1.6 works perfectly. I even can run Gnome on my DEC3000/300 Yes DEC3000 is obsolete but my DEC3000/300 150MHz CPU with 160MB RAM performs quite better than a ultra1 with 170MHZ ultrasparc. I invite you to try NetBSD as Wilko suggested, you will be very happy with NetBSD on your DEC3000. Rick On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 10:49:42AM +1000, Chris Knight wrote: > > > > > AFAIK TurboChannel support is not available in FreeBSD 5.0, but it > > > > seems to be available in 4.8-RELEASE. > > But it was not tested at all for 4.8 so... > > > Didn't think to check the 4.8 Hardware docs - I'd assumed that 5.0 > > would have been more complete. > > 5- dropped support for DEC3000 altogether. > > > > It was never very complete because there are no SCSI or display > > > drivers. > > A long time ago SCSI worked on DEC3000 IIRC (pre-CAM era). If you want > to run this box go for NetBSD. > > > > Unless you have the urge to port a SCSI driver from NetBSD, don't buy > > > this to run FreeBSD > > You don't want to *buy* a DEC3000 anyway. By now they should be free > from your neighbourhood dumpster. They are neat pieces of engineering, built > like a tank etc. But just completely obsolete by now. > > -- > | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org > |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-alpha > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-alpha-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 12:34:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD72537B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:34:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47FC43F3F for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:34:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3HJY5pH065319; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:34:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3HJY5AK065318; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:34:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 21:34:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it Message-ID: <20030417193404.GC65061@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030417131355.GA64013@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: Chris Knight cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC 3000/700? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 19:34:20 -0000 On Thu, Apr 17, 2003 at 09:07:53PM +0200, Riccardo.Veraldi@fi.infn.it wrote: > > DEC3000/300 works GREAT with NetBSD installed on IT. > Expecially NetBSD 1.6 works perfectly. I even can run Gnome on my > DEC3000/300 > > Yes DEC3000 is obsolete but my DEC3000/300 150MHz CPU with 160MB RAM > performs quite better than a ultra1 with 170MHZ ultrasparc. Most DEC3000 have really neat and fast memorybus (256 bits wide). That helps a *lot*. They are loud and power hungry btw, so if that is a concern go and listen to it first. > I invite you to try NetBSD as Wilko suggested, you will be very happy with > NetBSD on your DEC3000. I think so too. I have had both a DEC3000/500 and a /400 and both did well. > Rick -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@freebie.xs4all.nl |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 05:43:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02EAD37B401 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta01.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632CF43FDF for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from pootah.ozemail.com.au ([63.60.233.134]) by mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP <20030419124342.PGGJ15144.mta01.mail.mel.aone.net.au@pootah.ozemail.com.au>; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:43:42 +1000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030419224009.026fad90@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pop.ozemail.com.au/110/rbyrnes@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:43:35 +1000 To: Philip Paeps From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <20030417170703.GN1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> References: <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Truss refuses to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:43:49 -0000 At 03:07 AM 18/04/03, Philip Paeps sent this up the stick: >On 2003-04-16 20:54:51 (-0400), Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Philip Paeps writes: > > > Is anyone else seeing this, or have I somehow managed to break > something? :-o > > > > > > > I got around this by building a new awk and a new libc, then > > installing them, then building world. > >Thanks for the tip, that worked! :-) Hmm ... didn't work for me :( I'm assuming that awk is in src/usr.bin/awk ... right? Should I build both libc and libc_r? cheers, Rob -- I hate people who think it's clever to take drugs - like customs officials. This is random quote 594 of 1254. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 06:28:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1811137B401 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eos.telenet-ops.be (eos.telenet-ops.be [195.130.132.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDE743FD7 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:28:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E0E420106 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:28:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fortuna.home.paeps.cx (D5768746.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.135.70]) by eos.telenet-ops.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C6F2004B for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:28:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from juno.home.paeps.cx (juno.home.paeps.cx [2001:ab8:2007:0:240:f4ff:fe31:3090]) by fortuna.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2DF20AA for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:28:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: by juno.home.paeps.cx (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3DCDE217B; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:28:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 15:28:34 +0200 From: Philip Paeps To: alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030419132834.GD667@juno.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: alpha@freebsd.org References: <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030419224009.026fad90@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030419224009.026fad90@127.0.0.1> X-Date-in-Rome: ante diem XIII Kalendas Maias MMDCCLVI ab Urbe Condida X-PGP-Fingerprint: FA74 3C27 91A6 79D5 F6D3 FC53 BF4B D0E6 049D B879 X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Mutt: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Re: Truss refuses to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:28:38 -0000 On 2003-04-19 22:43:35 (+1000), Rob B wrote: > At 03:07 AM 18/04/03, Philip Paeps sent this up the stick: > > On 2003-04-16 20:54:51 (-0400), Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Philip Paeps writes: > > > > Is anyone else seeing this, or have I somehow managed to break > > > > something? :-o > > > > > > > > > > I got around this by building a new awk and a new libc, then installing > > > them, then building world. > > > > Thanks for the tip, that worked! :-) > > Hmm ... didn't work for me :( > I'm assuming that awk is in src/usr.bin/awk ... right? Should I build both > libc and libc_r? I only rebuilt libc and awk, if I recall correctly. Don't forget to install them as well :-) - Philip -- Philip Paeps philip@paeps.cx +32 486 114 720 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 06:37:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1501F37B401 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:37:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta04.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC4CB43FDD for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 06:37:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from pootah.ozemail.com.au ([63.60.233.134]) by mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP <20030419133703.WJDH9300.mta04.mail.mel.aone.net.au@pootah.ozemail.com.au>; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:37:03 +1000 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030419233556.02731aa0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pop.ozemail.com.au/110/rbyrnes@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 23:36:47 +1000 To: Philip Paeps From: Rob B In-Reply-To: <20030419132834.GD667@juno.home.paeps.cx> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20030419224009.026fad90@127.0.0.1> <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030416235836.GI1984@juno.home.paeps.cx> <16029.64347.974156.731553@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <5.2.0.9.2.20030419224009.026fad90@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Truss refuses to build? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 13:37:08 -0000 At 11:28 PM 19/04/03, Philip Paeps sent this up the stick: >On 2003-04-19 22:43:35 (+1000), Rob B wrote: > > At 03:07 AM 18/04/03, Philip Paeps sent this up the stick: > > > On 2003-04-16 20:54:51 (-0400), Andrew Gallatin > wrote: > > > > Philip Paeps writes: > > > > > Is anyone else seeing this, or have I somehow managed to break > > > > > something? :-o > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got around this by building a new awk and a new libc, then installing > > > > them, then building world. > > > > > > Thanks for the tip, that worked! :-) > > > > Hmm ... didn't work for me :( > > I'm assuming that awk is in src/usr.bin/awk ... right? Should I build > both > > libc and libc_r? > >I only rebuilt libc and awk, if I recall correctly. Don't forget to install >them as well :-) I did, and the subsequent buildworld still bombed at the same point I'm redoing it again from a clean /usr/obj cheers, Rob -- Abandon the search for Truth; settle for a good fantasy. This is random quote 188 of 1254. Distance from the centre of the brewing universe [15200.8 km (8207.8 mi), 262.8 deg](Apparent) Rennerian Public Key fingerprint = 6219 33BD A37B 368D 29F5 19FB 945D C4D7 1F66 D9C5