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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 12:52:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A872C16A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail02.infosat.net (mailout02.infosat.net [66.18.69.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B214D43F85 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:52:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from davej@wsnet.co.za) Received: from [196.38.110.56] (HELO mail03.infosat.net) by mail02.infosat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with ESMTP id 28968673 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:52:31 +0200 Received: from [66.18.91.162] (HELO inf.co.za) by mail03.infosat.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with SMTP id 29280492 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:52:30 +0200 Received: (qmail 28149 invoked by uid 85); 7 Dec 2003 20:48:54 -0000 Received: from davej@wsnet.co.za by foxtrot.inf.co.za by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4307. clamscan: 0.54. spamassassin: 2.55. 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(10.0.21.6) by igate.org.za with SMTP; 7 Dec 2003 20:48:21 -0000 From: Dave Johnson To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: WSNET Message-Id: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:52:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: davej@wsnet.co.za List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:52:44 -0000 Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs Regards From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 12:55:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F82D16A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:55:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.com (mordrede.visionsix.com [65.202.119.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F4843FCB for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:55:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from vsis169 (unverified [65.202.119.169]) by mordrede.visionsix.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:54:49 -0600 Message-ID: <002101c3bd04$5b211740$df0a0a0a@visionsix.net> From: "Lewis Watson" To: , References: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:54:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 20:55:17 -0000 > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs > > Regards Hi there, I have used Optigold for the last two years and have not had any real problems... Thanks, Lewis From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 7 15:26:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0221116A4CE for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from platypus.globalnamehost.com (platypus.globalnamehost.com [209.123.134.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1067443FE5 for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:26:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ian@digitalinscription.net) Received: from cpanel by platypus.globalnamehost.com with local (Exim 4.24) id 1AT8Ic-00037W-Hs; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:26:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.digitalinscription.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:26:50 +1100 Message-ID: <1070839610.3fd3b73a7c8c4@www.digitalinscription.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:26:50 +1100 From: Ian Clarke To: davej@wsnet.co.za References: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> In-Reply-To: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - platypus.globalnamehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 32001] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - digitalinscription.net cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 23:26:59 -0000 ISP Easy (Buddy Systems) is pretty good. The developer also has very good support and is willing to work with people for customisations, etc. Quoting Dave Johnson : > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs > > Regards > > _______________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 08:25:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430CC16A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01.bsinet.net (mx01.bsinet.net [63.175.65.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290EF43FBD for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:25:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eshabot@bsinet.net) Received: (qmail 11786 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 16:24:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO S62ORE) ([63.175.65.23]) (envelope-sender ) by mx01.bsinet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Dec 2003 16:24:02 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web (http://www.drweb.net) Message-ID: <014c01c3bda7$e3866650$1701a8c0@S62ORE> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: References: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:25:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:25:37 -0000 Emerald is good, has it's own radius and web gui runs on freebsd, db support w2k and sybase. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Billing System > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs > > Regards > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 08:27:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C3816A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:27:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx01.bsinet.net (mx01.bsinet.net [63.175.65.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D876343FB1 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:27:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eshabot@bsinet.net) Received: (qmail 11834 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 16:25:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO S62ORE) ([63.175.65.23]) (envelope-sender ) by mx01.bsinet.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Dec 2003 16:25:44 -0000 X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web (http://www.drweb.net) Message-ID: <016801c3bda8$20657020$1701a8c0@S62ORE> From: "Edward Shabotinsky" To: , References: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:27:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 16:27:21 -0000 Sorry, the url for Emerald is www.iea-software.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Billing System > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs > > Regards > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 09:17:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B045616A4CF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:17:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from animas.soprisoffice.net (animas.soprisoffice.net [216.237.74.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6872443FD7 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:17:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dale@sopris.net) content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:17:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <0B9DB2B158F3A64BA7790548EBB9BFCB175A4E@animas.soprisoffice.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Billing System Thread-Index: AcO9BC6CkFhXdzT+Q1SBYJ25a8IITAAqzY3Q From: "Dale Ahrens" To: , Subject: RE: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:17:32 -0000 We have been using Platypus, www.boardtown.com, for 6 years and are very = happy with it. Dale -----Original Message----- From: Dave Johnson [mailto:davej@wsnet.co.za] Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 1:52 PM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Billing System Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs Regards _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 10:38:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34DA16A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:38:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.com (mordrede.visionsix.com [65.202.119.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8001043F93 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:38:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from vsis169 (unverified [65.202.119.169]) by mordrede.visionsix.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:38:33 -0600 Message-ID: <012c01c3bdba$7e9497e0$df0a0a0a@visionsix.net> From: "Lewis Watson" To: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:38:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and APCUPSD 3.10.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 18:38:41 -0000 I have successfully used apcupsd 3.8.x and FreeBSD for several months. I recently upgraded to 3.10.6 and now am having much trouble. It starts with the new .sh init script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. I get a prefix not found error. I had a copy of the old .sh file and it starts apcupsd successfully; which gets logged to syslog and the apcupsd.events file. To test the program I unplug the ups from the serial port and syslog shows that communication with the unit has been lost; yet it no longer is wall'd to the terminals and any attempt to plug the unit back in goes unnoticed. The funny thing is once I run a ./apcupsd.sh stop it then walls that communication were lost with UPS_BERT as it also does a signal 11 core dump. Please bear in mind that this was working fine until I upgraded. I would appreciate any help that could be provided. I did email the port maintainer who suggested I read the FreeBSD doc's ( I have read the handbook and Absolute FreeBSD and many wonderful articles but there is no mention of this problem nor even apcupsd). If anyone could please point me in a good direction I would greatly appreciate it. I am going to try and rebuild apcupsd with my own ./configure parameters. Thanks, Lewis From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 11:06:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE3A16A4D4 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.208.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F3A43FF2 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:05:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 999) id 3E11E34D6C; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:05:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:05:35 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031208190534.GB70103@www.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 19:06:26 -0000 On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 10:52:18PM +0200, Dave Johnson wrote: > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs My favorite so far is BillMax. Runs on FreeBSD, uses lots of standard *nix stuff that you are used to supporting. Completely web interfaced, ie. use it from anywhere and get your work done. Getting custom reports is easy enough if you have an SQL capable programmer on staff. My current system is Platypus. I pretty much hate it from the sysadmin perspective after having gotten accustomed to how nicely BillMax worked. I do realize that many of my issues with Platypus are related to the less than complete way in which the former technical staff here implemented it. I still have a lack of confidence in any product which sits on top of Windows. But that's a personal predudice. If you just want opensource, freside might be an option. I have no experience with it, but at least it has my two favorite features of BillMax, web interface and runs on *nix. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 14:20:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A1F16A4E7 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.day-light.net (day-light.net [64.37.72.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62B243D28 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: from w1 (gabriel.day-light.net [216.162.118.203]) by mail.day-light.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B476935288; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:20:49 -0600 (CST) From: "John Brooks" To: "'Lewis Watson'" , Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 16:20:50 -0600 Message-ID: <003601c3bdd9$89c444c0$c905010a@daylight.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <012c01c3bdba$7e9497e0$df0a0a0a@visionsix.net> cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: FreeBSD and APCUPSD 3.10.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: john@day-light.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 22:20:54 -0000 many scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d will require the full path to manually start or stop. just doing "./ start" will produce the error you are experiencing. try using: /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apcupsd.sh start or /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apcupsd.sh stop -- John Brooks john@stlbsd.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Lewis Watson Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 12:39 PM To: apcupsd-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD and APCUPSD 3.10.6 I have successfully used apcupsd 3.8.x and FreeBSD for several months. I recently upgraded to 3.10.6 and now am having much trouble. It starts with the new .sh init script in /usr/local/etc/rc.d. I get a prefix not found error. I had a copy of the old .sh file and it starts apcupsd successfully; which gets logged to syslog and the apcupsd.events file. To test the program I unplug the ups from the serial port and syslog shows that communication with the unit has been lost; yet it no longer is wall'd to the terminals and any attempt to plug the unit back in goes unnoticed. The funny thing is once I run a ./apcupsd.sh stop it then walls that communication were lost with UPS_BERT as it also does a signal 11 core dump. Please bear in mind that this was working fine until I upgraded. I would appreciate any help that could be provided. I did email the port maintainer who suggested I read the FreeBSD doc's ( I have read the handbook and Absolute FreeBSD and many wonderful articles but there is no mention of this problem nor even apcupsd). If anyone could please point me in a good direction I would greatly appreciate it. I am going to try and rebuild apcupsd with my own ./configure parameters. Thanks, Lewis _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 15:08:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B13116A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mordrede.visionsix.com (mordrede.visionsix.com [65.202.119.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1967C43D2D for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:08:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@visionsix.com) Received: from vsis169 (unverified [65.202.119.169]) by mordrede.visionsix.com (Vircom SMTPRS 3.0.273) with SMTP id ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:08:01 -0600 Message-ID: <00f001c3bde0$22d4ef10$df0a0a0a@visionsix.net> From: "Lewis Watson" To: References: <003601c3bdd9$89c444c0$c905010a@daylight.net> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:08:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Apcupsd-users] RE: FreeBSD and APCUPSD 3.10.6 X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 23:08:05 -0000 > many scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d will require the full path to > manually start or stop. just doing "./ start" will > produce the error you are experiencing. try using: > > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apcupsd.sh start > or > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apcupsd.sh stop This was exactly correct for the prefix error that was generated. More information on the problem where apcupsd appeared to be failing to communicate with the ups. - I looked at the commfailure and commok files. Each file tries to run apcaccess and place the output of it in the email notifying the admin of the change. I removed these lines and now apcupsd is notifiying with wall, email, and logging each communication status change. Apparantly, apcaccess was just hanging which in turn made the rest of the program nonresponsive. So far so good at this time with those lines that called apcaccess commented out! Thanks, Lewis From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 17:03:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8760316A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from kasie.rwsystems.net (ea.70.cf9e.cidr.airmail.net [207.158.112.234]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C99F43D28 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:03:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Received: from localhost (jwyatt@localhost) by kasie.rwsystems.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hB913K739100; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:03:44 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from jwyatt@RWSystems.net) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:03:20 -0600 (CST) From: James Wyatt To: Dave Johnson In-Reply-To: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Message-ID: <20031208185629.J60403-100000@kasie.rwsystems.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:03:49 -0000 I'll make my recommendation for BillMax (http://www.billmax.com) after having seen the very positive effect it has had on several ISPs I have worked for/with/exerienced/etc... and the disclaimer that I've worked for the company as a consultant on non-BillMax matters in the past and still really like the folks who wrote most of it. It is very configurable, runs via web as a browser agnostic application, has a very flexible and full-featured DB schema, runs *very* well on FreeBSD, Solaris, Linux, etc..., and has better tax/AR support than anything else I know of. It was part of what made the last ISP I worked for a really great outfit in a tough market. Hope this helps - Jy@ On Sun, 7 Dec 2003, Dave Johnson wrote: > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs > > Regards From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 17:41:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5658816A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:41:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdhosting.net (bsdhosting.net [65.39.221.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F7F843D21 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:41:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhopper@bsdhosting.net) Received: (qmail 77394 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2003 01:40:57 -0000 Received: from bsdhosting.net (HELO work.gusalmighty.com) (jhopper@bsdhosting.net@65.39.221.113) by bsdhosting.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 01:40:57 -0000 From: Justin Hopper To: FreeBSD ISP Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1070934098.1997.3077.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:41:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Apache 2.x and FrontPage SE X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:41:58 -0000 Hello, We have a new product in development that runs Apache 2.x and requires FrontPage Server Extensions. The extensions installed fine (2002 1.1), and adding the extension functions to vhosts has gone fine as well, using the owsadm.exe binary. However, the FrontPage client application cannot seem to authenticate with the server. The username/password prompt is received in the client though. I have read a few remarks online that suggest it might be a problem of the FPSE using DES passwords and Apache using MD5. Can anyone confirm that this is a problem on FreeBSD 4.9? If so, is there a clean way to fix this? I've read some stories of people changing all the libcrypt calls to libscrypt to try to change to different crypt form, but I'd really rather not make any source changes if possible. I ran a kernel trace of the Apache process and it's children and descendants. I was looking for the section where it tried to authenticate the user from the FrontPage client, but I kept seeing places where it seemed that the author.exe program was not receiving a username, but perhaps this is the way it is supposed to work. Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated. -- Justin Hopper UNIX Systems Engineer BSDHosting.net Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. http://www.bsdhosting.net From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 18:25:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C3B16A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:25:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from util.inch.com (ns.inch.com [216.223.192.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82D543D29 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:25:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scott@inch.com) Received: from DellBSD.inch.com (DellBSD.inch.com [216.223.192.89]) hB92PYsK067471 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:35 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from scott@inch.com) Received: by DellBSD.inch.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B1A93572B; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:25:34 -0500 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031209022534.GB55723@DellBSD.inch.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20031208190534.GB70103@www.lambertfam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 02:25:37 -0000 On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:04:56PM -1000, George Fontaine wrote: > I highly recommend you stay away from Billmax. They ripped me off for > $10,000 and never delivered a working accounting system. They made also > sorts of promises that they would convert our existing system (quickbooks) > and never delivered. That was over 3 years ago. And I had nothing but good experiences. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Scott Lambert > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:06 AM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Billing System > > > On Sun, Dec 07, 2003 at 10:52:18PM +0200, Dave Johnson wrote: > > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs > > My favorite so far is BillMax. Runs on FreeBSD, uses lots of standard > *nix stuff that you are used to supporting. Completely web interfaced, > ie. use it from anywhere and get your work done. Getting custom reports > is easy enough if you have an SQL capable programmer on staff. > > My current system is Platypus. I pretty much hate it from the sysadmin > perspective after having gotten accustomed to how nicely BillMax > worked. I do realize that many of my issues with Platypus are related > to the less than complete way in which the former technical staff here > implemented it. I still have a lack of confidence in any product which > sits on top of Windows. But that's a personal predudice. > > If you just want opensource, freside might be an option. I have no > experience with it, but at least it has my two favorite features of > BillMax, web interface and runs on *nix. -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 20:35:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6366D16A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:35:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns2.dreamlinks.net (ns2.dreamlinks.net [64.212.26.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDD743D2B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:35:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from info@dreamlinks.net) Received: from dlsvc ([64.212.20.249]) by ns2.dreamlinks.net (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB94RlLC042211 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:27:48 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200312090427.hB94RlLC042211@ns2.dreamlinks.net> From: "Customer Service" To: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:35:31 -0800 Organization: Dreamlinks Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20031209022534.GB55723@DellBSD.inch.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcO9+rkDAxpQ+YdBSVyj+dvB2kfEuAADrgzg X-MailScanner-Information: SPAM & VIRUS PROTECTION PROVIDED BY DREAMLINKS INTERNET X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=-4.8, required 4, BAYES_00 -4.90, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME 0.10) Subject: RE: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:35:44 -0000 We tried Billmax and had nothing but problems and zero help from technical support. Stay away from this one unless you have an in-house SQL expert programmer for backend provisioning and never need support from the developer. Yes they offered installation support for 1000's of dollars but would not show us a working model and would not guarantee that the product would actually work on our servers. Also, stay clear of FREESIDE, the developer named IVAN who basically stole our $100.00 setup fee refused to refund our money when we discovered the program did not do what he claimed it would do. We filed a BBB complaint. OPTIGOLD ISP from digitalpoint solutions was the answer for us. http://www.optigold.com After much searching, we FINALLY found a billing program that does what we need it to do and is reasonably priced. Here are the main features and comparison with other products: http://www.digitalpoint.com/products/isp/compare.html Backend provisioning is a snap using SSH, https ,etc. This products actually comes with a printed manual. Server setup and import of our existing records took less than a day. Except for a few technical issues, the product has performed flawlessly for 2+ years and updates are free. They offer free tech support for the 1st 60 days and you can extend this with a support contract although we have found all the answers through the support forum. For a turnkey reasonably priced billing system OPTIGOLD is the way to. To support 10-100 thousand users and if your budget allows, the RODOPI and PLATYPUS products have had good reviews. http://www.rodopi.com/index.php?page=20201 http://www.boardtown.com/platypus/ Good Luck in your search! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Lambert > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:26 PM > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Billing System > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:04:56PM -1000, George Fontaine wrote: > > I highly recommend you stay away from Billmax. They ripped me off for > > $10,000 and never delivered a working accounting system. They made also > > sorts of promises that they would convert our existing system > (quickbooks) > > and never delivered. That was over 3 years ago. > > And I had nothing but good experiences. > @freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 20:39:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E7316A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from marius.org (marius.org [208.180.231.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AB743D29 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:39:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marius@marius.org) Received: from marius.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marius.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hB94dVih069787; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:39:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from marius@marius.org) Received: (from marius@localhost) by marius.org (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id hB94dV62069786; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:39:31 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:39:31 -0600 From: Marius Strom To: Customer Service Message-ID: <20031209043931.GO39625@marius.org> Mail-Followup-To: Customer Service , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20031209022534.GB55723@DellBSD.inch.com> <200312090427.hB94RlLC042211@ns2.dreamlinks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200312090427.hB94RlLC042211@ns2.dreamlinks.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 04:39:48 -0000 Ugh, Rodopi. I'll say no more. On Mon, 08 Dec 2003, Customer Service wrote: > We tried Billmax and had nothing but problems and zero help from technical > support. Stay away from this one unless you have an in-house SQL expert > programmer for backend provisioning and never need support from the > developer. Yes they offered installation support for 1000's of dollars but > would not show us a working model and would not guarantee that the product > would actually work on our servers. > > Also, stay clear of FREESIDE, the developer named IVAN who basically stole > our $100.00 setup fee refused to refund our money when we discovered the > program did not do what he claimed it would do. We filed a BBB complaint. > > OPTIGOLD ISP from digitalpoint solutions was the answer for us. > http://www.optigold.com > > After much searching, we FINALLY found a billing program that does what we > need it to do and is reasonably priced. Here are the main features and > comparison with other products: > http://www.digitalpoint.com/products/isp/compare.html > > > Backend provisioning is a snap using SSH, https ,etc. This products actually > comes with a printed manual. Server setup and import of our existing records > took less than a day. Except for a few technical issues, the product has > performed flawlessly for 2+ years and updates are free. They offer free tech > support for the 1st 60 days and you can extend this with a support contract > although we have found all the answers through the support forum. > > For a turnkey reasonably priced billing system OPTIGOLD is the way to. > To support 10-100 thousand users and if your budget allows, the RODOPI and > PLATYPUS products have had good reviews. > > http://www.rodopi.com/index.php?page=20201 > > http://www.boardtown.com/platypus/ > > Good Luck in your search! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] > > On Behalf Of Scott Lambert > > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 6:26 PM > > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: Billing System > > > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2003 at 02:04:56PM -1000, George Fontaine wrote: > > > I highly recommend you stay away from Billmax. They ripped me off for > > > $10,000 and never delivered a working accounting system. They made also > > > sorts of promises that they would convert our existing system > > (quickbooks) > > > and never delivered. That was over 3 years ago. > > > > And I had nothing but good experiences. > > > @freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- /-------------------------------------------------> Marius Strom | Always carry a short length of fibre-optic cable. Professional Geek | If you get lost, then you can drop it on the System/Network Admin | ground, wait 10 minutes, and ask the backhoe http://www.marius.org/ | operator how to get back to civilization. \-------------| Alan Frame |----------------------> From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 22:37:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D3016A4CF for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:37:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24EE43D28 for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:37:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 62A5B11E8A4; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:37:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:37:41 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031209063741.GA11959@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Customer Service References: <20031209022534.GB55723@DellBSD.inch.com> <200312090427.hB94RlLC042211@ns2.dreamlinks.net> <20031209043931.GO39625@marius.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031209043931.GO39625@marius.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: Customer Service Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 06:37:42 -0000 On Mon, Dec 08, 2003, Marius Strom wrote: >Ugh, Rodopi. I'll say no more. I think it only runs on the Microsoft virus, Windows. That's enough to keep me from looking at it further. ... Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Never blame a legislative body for not doing something. When they do nothing, that don't hurt anybody. When they do something is when they become dangerous.'' Will Rogers From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 8 23:54:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEE216A4CE for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from superheronet.net (radius.superheronet.net [209.120.206.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6612E43D2B for ; Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:54:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erichz@superhero.org) Received: (qmail 56784 invoked by uid 85); 9 Dec 2003 06:54:38 -0000 Received: from erichz@superhero.org by merlin.superheronet.net by uid 81 with qmail-scanner-1.15 (uvscan: v4.1.60/v4232. spamassassin: 2.x. Clear:. Processed in 0.264464 secs); 09 Dec 2003 06:54:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO superhero.org) (24.0.76.33) by merlin.superheronet.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 06:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <3FD571C1.6060601@superhero.org> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:54:57 -0600 From: Erich Zigler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> In-Reply-To: <1070830338.2103.1.camel@home.wsnet.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 07:54:41 -0000 Dave Johnson wrote: > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs Basically it all sums up in. All Accounting / Billing Systems suck, some just suck less then others. Im not trying to be cheeky but I've tried a good number of them. Here are my experiences. BillMax - Runs on *BSD, and other *NIX platforms, good base install, etc. The interface while powerful is complex, and can be daunting to some users. FreeSide - It's OK. If you dont mind doing every thing yourself. Ivan is a decent enough guy but he is a BOFH, so just keep that in mind. OptiGold - It's decent. Unfortunatley it runs on FileMaker which should be burned in the bowels of the deepest hell. I believe all the issues I've had with the application would be solved by going over to SQL, but I dont see that happening. Make sure that when you talk to their sales force that you are very explicit in what you want. We weren't and had to shell out a lot more money then we planned on. Also having to have at least 3-5 FileMaker licenses just to run the software is a little outrageous in my opinion. If you go with OptiGold be sure to pick up OptiSkin it makes life worth living. Platypus - I've heard good things, but the licensing leaves a lot to be desired. If you are ever bought out license does not transfer as an asset. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 00:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E35A16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:25:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11707.mail.yahoo.com (web11707.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0703243D21 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sajjad786pk@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031209082547.60842.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.176.253.200] by web11707.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 00:25:47 PST Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 00:25:47 -0800 (PST) From: m sajjad To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: modem installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 08:25:48 -0000 hi i wanna to install modem in freeBSD.plzz tell me how i can install modem. sajjad __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 03:03:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C51AF16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:03:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from newcolo.invictanet.co.uk (newcolo.invictanet.co.uk [213.48.153.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7CD43D2B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 03:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from support@invictanet.co.uk) Received: from verna ([80.88.196.129]) (authenticated) by newcolo.invictanet.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id hB9B2k828602 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:02:46 GMT From: "InvictaNet Customer Support" To: "Freebsd Isp List" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:02:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3FD571C1.6060601@superhero.org> Subject: RE: Billing System X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 11:03:06 -0000 As a work in progress, it might be worth looking at www.perlbill.com Uses Perl/Mysql. It's not bad but needs quite a bit more work to fill the holes in functionality Martyn Routley ----------------------------------------------------------------- InvictaWiz - The Internet in Plain English, Guaranteed http://www.invictawiz.com martyn@invictawiz.com phone: 08707 440180 fax: 08707 440181 Ask us about our online Antivirus and Junk mail scanning service. Ask us how you could save money on your telephone bill. ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Erich Zigler Sent: 09 December 2003 06:55 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Billing System Dave Johnson wrote: > Can anyone recommend an Accounting / Billing System for ISPs Basically it all sums up in. All Accounting / Billing Systems suck, some just suck less then others. Im not trying to be cheeky but I've tried a good number of them. Here are my experiences. BillMax - Runs on *BSD, and other *NIX platforms, good base install, etc. The interface while powerful is complex, and can be daunting to some users. FreeSide - It's OK. If you dont mind doing every thing yourself. Ivan is a decent enough guy but he is a BOFH, so just keep that in mind. OptiGold - It's decent. Unfortunatley it runs on FileMaker which should be burned in the bowels of the deepest hell. I believe all the issues I've had with the application would be solved by going over to SQL, but I dont see that happening. Make sure that when you talk to their sales force that you are very explicit in what you want. We weren't and had to shell out a lot more money then we planned on. Also having to have at least 3-5 FileMaker licenses just to run the software is a little outrageous in my opinion. If you go with OptiGold be sure to pick up OptiSkin it makes life worth living. Platypus - I've heard good things, but the licensing leaves a lot to be desired. If you are ever bought out license does not transfer as an asset. _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 07:42:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E53D16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from moltres.pci2.net (moltres.pci2.net [65.222.116.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 632CA43D2D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scorpio@drkshdw.org) Received: (qmail 51372 invoked by uid 89); 9 Dec 2003 15:48:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mars) (209.26.20.205) by moltres.pci2.net with SMTP; 9 Dec 2003 15:48:35 -0000 Message-ID: <00dd01c3be6b$0fe882a0$0201a8c0@mars> From: "Jeff Palmer" To: "m sajjad" , References: <20031209082547.60842.qmail@web11707.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:42:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: modem installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:42:42 -0000 You might want to try freebsd-questions. This list is for people who own or admin Internet providers, and as such is not the appropriate place to ask newbie questions.. Jeff Palmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "m sajjad" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:25 AM Subject: modem installation > hi > i wanna to install modem in freeBSD.plzz tell me how i > can install modem. > > sajjad > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 10:46:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5B516A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:46:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ctb-mesg4.saix.net (ctb-mesg4.saix.net [196.25.240.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A7143D13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:46:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karnaugh@karnaugh.za.net) Received: from colin (ndn-ip-nas-1-p345.telkom-ipnet.co.za [155.239.193.89]) by ctb-mesg4.saix.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 32394AECF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:46:41 +0200 (SAST) Message-ID: <000701c3be84$d452e9f0$0499a8c0@colin> From: "Colin Alston" To: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:46:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: VRRP and media sense/link state on old drivers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 18:46:50 -0000 Hi Been having some problems with freevrrpd on ed and lnc cards. It seems to "work" on the rl0 cards, but otherwise I get the following. Dec 9 20:32:58 spike freevrrpd[35627]: launching daemon in background mode Dec 9 20:32:58 spike freevrrpd[35628]: initializing threads and all VRID Dec 9 20:32:58 spike freevrrpd[35628]: reading configuration file /usr/local/etc/freevrrpd.conf Dec 9 20:32:58 spike freevrrpd[35628]: send ip = 192.168.153.9, eth = 0:0:e8:a5:85:5c Dec 9 20:32:58 spike freevrrpd[35628]: server state vrid 1: backup Dec 9 20:32:59 spike freevrrpd[35628]: cannot do ioctl, intertface is faulty: Invalid argument Dec 9 20:32:59 spike freevrrpd[35628]: interface ed0 is faulty, deactivated from VRRP VRIDs Dec 9 20:33:00 spike freevrrpd[35628]: cannot do ioctl, intertface is faulty: Invalid argument Pretty much the same with lnc. Is there a way around this? Not so fun to replace all the cards :-/ (although they could probably do with it) I tried using it through the vlan device on the ed and lnc cards but that did nothing, just got the same error. -- Colin Alston karnaugh@karnaugh.za.net http://www.karnaugh.za.net "But I'm not broken, in my dream I win. In here I'm nothing, a cosmic castaway" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 12:41:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA5416A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:41:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from etrn2.doruk.net.tr (etrn2.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8C743D1D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:41:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from mail.doruk.net.tr ([212.58.5.6] helo=doruk.net.tr) by etrn2.doruk.net.tr with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATokb-00037l-6B for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:46:33 +0200 Received: from [82.151.156.1] (account vahric HELO xp) by doruk.net.tr (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 65717387; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "Freebsd isp isp" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:41:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 20:41:29 -0000 Hi Everybody , I want to know Are anybody usingFreeBSD for their Web Hosting ( PHP + MYSQL + POSTGRE + APACHE ) Env. or Mail Hosting Env. I'm asking because I wonder Which Update method are you using ?! freebsd-update ( binary update ) or source up-to-date and make world process and I wonder if you choosing source up-to-date and make world process it will take too much time and this moment server can not answer coming requestes ... Thanks Vahric From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:03:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 672BD16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:03:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from etrn2.doruk.net.tr (etrn2.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3317443D13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:03:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from mail.doruk.net.tr ([212.58.5.6] helo=doruk.net.tr) by etrn2.doruk.net.tr with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATp5t-0003TA-2N; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:08:33 +0200 Received: from [82.151.156.1] (account vahric HELO xp) by doruk.net.tr (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 65719470; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:03:40 +0200 Message-ID: <046a01c3be97$d2b87930$019c9752@xp> From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "Kurt Jaeger" References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <20031209204556.GZ93443@complx.LF.net> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:02:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 cc: Freebsd isp isp Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:03:29 -0000 Which version FreeBSD are you using ? How long those it take to complate those all process ? How many CPU do you have I know make world process can run with SMP .. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Jaeger" To: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method > Hi! > > > I want to know Are anybody usingFreeBSD for their Web Hosting ( PHP + > > MYSQL + POSTGRE + APACHE ) Env. or Mail Hosting Env. I'm asking because I > > wonder Which Update method are you using ?! freebsd-update ( binary update ) > > or source up-to-date and make world process and I wonder if you choosing > > source up-to-date and make world process it will take too much time and this > > moment server can not answer coming requestes ... > > We are using: > > cvsup -L 2 -g stable-supfile > cd /usr/src > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNCONF=SOMEKERNEL > make installkernel KERNCONF=SOMEKERNEL > make installworld > mergemaster -i > shutdown -r > > It takes a little CPU, but we have plenty... > > -- > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! > LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net > Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 > D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:09:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D7E16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:09:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from etrn2.doruk.net.tr (etrn2.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6CD43D1D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from mail.doruk.net.tr ([212.58.5.6] helo=doruk.net.tr) by etrn2.doruk.net.tr with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATpBe-0003Yk-6z; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:14:30 +0200 Received: from [82.151.156.1] (account vahric HELO xp) by doruk.net.tr (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 65720096; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:09:36 +0200 Message-ID: <047d01c3be98$a717ff20$019c9752@xp> From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "Onyi C. Ejiasa" References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:08:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 cc: Freebsd isp isp Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:09:27 -0000 Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! How long does it take to complate all process ?! You mean I can make source up-to-date (cvsup) / make world process at this moment server can response to web clients ?! Why don't you choose binary update methode . Does it have problem ?! or it's not a true way to keep up-to-date FreeBSD and do you test those process on other machine before apply those patches to your production server ?! tHANKS ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Onyi C. Ejiasa" To: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:01 PM Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method > I generally use the cvs-up method to get the latest source followed by the > make world process described in the FreeBSD handbook. > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/makeworld.html) > > If your server cannot accept requests right now, you may want to spend your > time diagnosing the problem instead. However, it is feasible that you can do > the cvsup and make world in the background while you troubleshoot your > current install (walk softly). > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Onyi C. Ejiasa - NWT, NCW, NCLA > Firstlink Technology, Inc. > 4260 East Evans Avenue, Denver, CO 80222 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > PH 303.691.8200 | FAX 303.691.8208 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > onyi@firstlink.com | www.firstlink.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" > To: "Freebsd isp isp" > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 1:41 PM > Subject: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method > > > > Hi Everybody , > > > > I want to know Are anybody usingFreeBSD for their Web Hosting ( PHP + > > MYSQL + POSTGRE + APACHE ) Env. or Mail Hosting Env. I'm asking because I > > wonder Which Update method are you using ?! freebsd-update ( binary > update ) > > or source up-to-date and make world process and I wonder if you choosing > > source up-to-date and make world process it will take too much time and > this > > moment server can not answer coming requestes ... > > > > > > Thanks > > Vahric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4576C16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4125643D13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:23:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATpKa-0001NT-Eh for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:23:44 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:23:44 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <047d01c3be98$a717ff20$019c9752@xp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <047d01c3be98$a717ff20$019c9752@xp> Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:23:47 -0000 Hi! > Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! Most of the server: 4.9. Some bit-rot, we're working on it. > How long does it take to complate all process ?! For one server, if it's fairly recent: approx. 10 minutes of person-time, approx. 1-2 hours wall-clock (compiling). > You mean I can make source up-to-date (cvsup) / make world process at this > moment server can response to web clients ?! Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of the time, so we do it in multiuser. The update 4.9 -> 5.2 will probably be much more difficult and we will test it extensibly, before we do it on production servers. > Why don't you choose binary update methode . Does it have problem ?! or it's > not a true way to keep up-to-date FreeBSD Good question 8-) > and do you test those process on other machine before apply those patches to > your production server ?! Yes, intensivly. We first do it to our desktop systems and testservers (approx. 40 systems) before we make the rollout to the visible servers. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:36:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B2FE16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:36:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix18.sihope.com (unix18.sihope.com [207.195.195.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ED3343D2B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) Received: from unixws1 (unixws1.sihope.com [207.195.195.190]) by unix18.sihope.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB9Lah8p086230 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:36:43 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) From: Adam Maloney To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:36:43 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:36:45 -0000 Just thought I'd add my $.02 > Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) > the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of > the time, so we do it in multiuser. > On most of my boxes I do the installs and merge in multiuser mode. I'm a little more nervous about mail, so I always do it in single-user mode on the mailserver. Fragile is a good word for this state. We did 4.8-STA to 4.9-STA on Sunday on mail and it was probably less than 5 minutes of downtime (single-user, installworld, installkernel, mergemaster, reboot). > The update 4.9 -> 5.2 will probably be much more difficult and > we will test it extensibly, before we do it on production servers. > Yes! > > Why don't you choose binary update methode . Does it have problem ?! or it's > > not a true way to keep up-to-date FreeBSD > > Good question 8-) > I have always done source, and I always sync with stable and re-build everything (rather than using patches). Why? It just "feels" right :) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:39:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546EE16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:39:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from etrn2.doruk.net.tr (etrn2.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A103A43D1D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from mail.doruk.net.tr ([212.58.5.6] helo=doruk.net.tr) by etrn2.doruk.net.tr with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1ATpew-000499-Ma; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:44:46 +0200 Received: from [82.151.156.1] (account vahric HELO xp) by doruk.net.tr (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 65722695; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:40:03 +0200 Message-ID: <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "Kurt Jaeger" References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp><001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com><047d01c3be98$a717ff20$019c9752@xp> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:39:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 cc: Freebsd isp isp Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:39:43 -0000 Thank I think I will use your method :)) and you method is everyones methode .... :))))) Some body said that binary-updates pre-compiled and not compiled for you system because of this maybe slow down problem can occur and one more question I'm linux admin I can say more Redhat Admin :) We have Redhat 7.2 , 7.3 , 8.0 and 9.0 server but I did not think to update or promode any server to new version Do you alwyas update freebsd's when new stable version released ? like 4.9 to 5.2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kurt Jaeger" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method > Hi! > > > Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! > > Most of the server: 4.9. Some bit-rot, we're working on it. > > > How long does it take to complate all process ?! > > For one server, if it's fairly recent: approx. 10 minutes of > person-time, approx. 1-2 hours wall-clock (compiling). > > > You mean I can make source up-to-date (cvsup) / make world process at this > > moment server can response to web clients ?! > > Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) > the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of > the time, so we do it in multiuser. > > The update 4.9 -> 5.2 will probably be much more difficult and > we will test it extensibly, before we do it on production servers. > > > Why don't you choose binary update methode . Does it have problem ?! or it's > > not a true way to keep up-to-date FreeBSD > > Good question 8-) > > > and do you test those process on other machine before apply those patches to > > your production server ?! > > Yes, intensivly. We first do it to our desktop systems and testservers > (approx. 40 systems) before we make the rollout to the visible servers. > > -- > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! > LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net > Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 > D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:45:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2525A16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.heronetwork.com (mail.heronetwork.com [216.254.62.176]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F28743D09 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:45:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swenson@heronetwork.com) Received: by mx1.heronetwork.com (Postfix, from userid 1003) id DE04EA4B85; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from heronetwork.com (ON-01-FW.heronetwork.com [216.254.62.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.heronetwork.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7390A4B56 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:44:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3FD6425A.7080607@heronetwork.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 13:44:58 -0800 From: Scottie Swenson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Freebsd isp isp References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> In-Reply-To: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on nott.heronetwork.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:45:03 -0000 Greetings, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > I want to know Are anybody usingFreeBSD for their Web Hosting ( PHP + > MYSQL + POSTGRE + APACHE ) Env. or Mail Hosting Env. I'm asking because I > wonder Which Update method are you using ? We have: 1) a "build server" which mirrors the installation images for our server sets. 2) a "source server" which keeps the ports tree up to date (cvsup, etc.) and is NSF mountable to the "build server" and each hosting server. 3) We use the "build server" to build new packages for our environment using portupgrade with the '-p' option to create custom binary packages. 4) Then we have a script which can mount the ports tree, run portupgrade with '-a -PP' options. The -PP keeps things from updating we don't want updated yet. Hence we control what updates when. We are looking to automate the process using cfengine or similar product. This method lets us have a test suite on the build server where we can back off if needed while keeping things up to date. Cheers, Scottie From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 13:49:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D8216A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:49:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix18.sihope.com (unix18.sihope.com [207.195.195.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3777843D2C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:49:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) Received: from unixws1 (unixws1.sihope.com [207.195.195.190]) by unix18.sihope.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB9Llf8p094314; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:47:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) From: Adam Maloney To: Vahric MUHTARYAN In-Reply-To: <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071006459.15221.223.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 15:47:41 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Freebsd isp isp cc: Kurt Jaeger Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:49:07 -0000 On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 15:39, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > Thank I think I will use your method :)) and you method is everyones methode > .... :))))) That's been our experience too - most everyone I talk to rebuilds everything from source to upgrade. > and one more question I'm linux admin I can say more Redhat Admin :) We have > Redhat 7.2 , 7.3 , 8.0 and 9.0 server but I did not think to update or > promode any server to new version Do you alwyas update freebsd's when new > stable version released ? like 4.9 to 5.2 I usually only update for security reasons, and then only on machines that are affected. I've never run into a situation where I've needed some new feature/bugfix in the latest -stable, other than for security. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kurt Jaeger" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method > > > > Hi! > > > > > Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! > > > > Most of the server: 4.9. Some bit-rot, we're working on it. > > > > > How long does it take to complate all process ?! > > > > For one server, if it's fairly recent: approx. 10 minutes of > > person-time, approx. 1-2 hours wall-clock (compiling). > > > > > You mean I can make source up-to-date (cvsup) / make world process at > this > > > moment server can response to web clients ?! > > > > Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) > > the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of > > the time, so we do it in multiuser. > > > > The update 4.9 -> 5.2 will probably be much more difficult and > > we will test it extensibly, before we do it on production servers. > > > > > Why don't you choose binary update methode . Does it have problem ?! or > it's > > > not a true way to keep up-to-date FreeBSD > > > > Good question 8-) > > > > > and do you test those process on other machine before apply those > patches to > > > your production server ?! > > > > Yes, intensivly. We first do it to our desktop systems and testservers > > (approx. 40 systems) before we make the rollout to the visible servers. > > > > -- > > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to > go ! > > LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net > > Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 > > D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:00:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8994A16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FE643D37 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:00:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB9M0Xm7087085 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:00:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hB9M0XCm087084 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:00:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:00:33 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:00:37 -0000 Somewhere around Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 15:36 , the world stopped and listened as Adam Maloney graced us with this profound tidbit of wisdom that would fulfill the ejoyment of future generations: > Just thought I'd add my $.02 > > Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) > > the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of > > the time, so we do it in multiuser. > On most of my boxes I do the installs and merge in multiuser > mode. I'm a little more nervous about mail, so I always do it in > single-user mode on the mailserver. Fragile is a good word for > this state. It's nice when you have the luxury of being able to phsyically touch the machines. I do my upgrades remotely in MU mode. In case of crash it will take me about 30 minutes to get to the machines - but there is really no place to work except in awkward standing modes with rack doors open. I've never had a problem - but have always been perpared for one. > > Good question 8-) > I have always done source, and I always sync with stable and > re-build everything (rather than using patches). Why? It just > "feels" right :) And since I do it remotely, I login, build with nohup and logout and check the logs the next day. Beside 'feeling right' - I don't have to do anyting. I tell it to do it, and it does it. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:07:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38A516A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651EE43D09 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:07:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hB9M7W6T049735; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:07:32 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3FD647A3.6040700@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:07:31 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bv@wjv.com References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> In-Reply-To: <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:07:34 -0000 Bill Vermillion wrote: [..snip..] >And since I do it remotely, I login, build with nohup and logout >and check the logs the next day. Beside 'feeling right' - I don't >have to do anyting. I tell it to do it, and it does it. > > Why not use screen? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology All generalizations are false, including this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:12:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9953316A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from unix18.sihope.com (unix18.sihope.com [207.195.195.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635C343D09 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) Received: from [207.195.195.190] (unixws1.sihope.com [207.195.195.190]) by unix18.sihope.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hB9MCL8p012193 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:12:22 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) From: Adam Maloney To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071007940.15221.235.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:12:21 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:12:27 -0000 ...because FreeBSD is "the man" :) > have to do anyting. I tell it to do it, and it does it. > > Bill From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:14:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 987A616A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:14:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from thud.tbe.net (thud.tbe.net [209.123.109.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1967A43D2A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:14:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gary@tbe.net) Received: by thud.tbe.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 088551C941D; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:35:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thud.tbe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E20DCF04; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:35:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:35:19 -0500 (EST) From: "Gary D. Margiotta" To: Vahric MUHTARYAN In-Reply-To: <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Freebsd isp isp cc: Kurt Jaeger Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:14:17 -0000 On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Vahric MUHTARYAN wrote: > and one more question I'm linux admin I can say more Redhat Admin :) We have > Redhat 7.2 , 7.3 , 8.0 and 9.0 server but I did not think to update or > promode any server to new version Do you alwyas update freebsd's when new > stable version released ? like 4.9 to 5.2 > I just patch for security updates. I currently run versions of the following on machines throughout my network: 3.5-STABLE (actually my main use machine, which I'm composing this e-mail from... gotta love software that Just Works!!!) 4.4-RELEASE 4.5-RELEASE 4.6.2-RELEASE 4.8-RELEASE 4.9-RELEASE 4-STABLE 5.1-RELEASE 5-CURRENT On all boxes, I generally just security update the affected ones where necessary, and that's about it. It ain't usually broke, so no need breaking it, thats what development environments are for... :-) For full upgrades, if I don't feel like building world, since these are cookie-cutter boxes, I usually just bring up a new server online, with the newest RELEASE version (plus patches if necessary), copy over config files, user files, and reboot, all up and running. Main web apps I usually just recompile from source the latest versions, and I get the benefits of newer, faster hardware, and fresh new versions of the OS and server apps I need (usually just mail, web and DB). I can 'upgrade' an entire box in under 1 working day usually, so I just go that route. It's actually faster for me to load up a totally new box than it is to build world in some cases. > > Hi! > > > > > Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! > > > > Most of the server: 4.9. Some bit-rot, we're working on it. > > > > > How long does it take to complate all process ?! > > > > For one server, if it's fairly recent: approx. 10 minutes of > > person-time, approx. 1-2 hours wall-clock (compiling). > > > > > and do you test those process on other machine before apply those > patches to > > > your production server ?! > > > > Yes, intensivly. We first do it to our desktop systems and testservers > > (approx. 40 systems) before we make the rollout to the visible servers. I always make it a point to build at least one box with the configuration I'm wanting to put into production to make sure all the critical apps play nicely before I go live to the guinea-pigs^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husers. Most of our stuff is standard, so it's not that big of a deal, but I did run into webmail<->PHP version issues, so having a userbase not being able to read their mail is not the type of situation I want to end up in, which is why I've adopted the test-first approach. > > > > -- > > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to > go ! > > LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net > > Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 > > D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -Gary Running Windows is kinda like playing blackjack: User stays on success, reboots on failure From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 14:38:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF81D16A4CE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCEBA43D28 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:38:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ATqUf-0001Xu-MG; Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:38:13 +0100 Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:38:13 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Vahric MUHTARYAN Message-ID: <20031209223813.GC93443@complx.LF.net> References: <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <04a601c3be9c$e79bf840$019c9752@xp> cc: Freebsd isp isp Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:38:15 -0000 Hi! > Do you alwyas update freebsd's when new stable version released ? We update if security requirements and SLAs force us to do so. > like 4.9 to 5.2 We only did upgrades from the 4.x (x being 2-8) to 4.9 until know. 4.9 -> 5.x: We plan to do it, but I've read that there are issues with it. Jens Schweikhardt (one of the committers) recently posted some in comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc. We will upgrade our 3.x to 4.x by re-installing, not by using cvsup. I've heard of people who upgraded from 2.x releases up to latest releases using only cvsup. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 20:21:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352BE16A4CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:21:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B21C43D2B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:21:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBA4LDm7090202 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:21:13 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBA4LCBP090201 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:21:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:21:12 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031210042112.GA90099@wjv.com> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> <1071005801.15221.216.camel@unixws1> <20031209220033.GA87019@wjv.com> <3FD647A3.6040700@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FD647A3.6040700@centtech.com> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 04:21:16 -0000 Somewhere around Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 16:07 , the world stopped and listened as Eric Anderson graced us with this profound tidbit of wisdom that would fulfill the ejoyment of future generations: > Bill Vermillion wrote: > [..snip..] > >And since I do it remotely, I login, build with nohup and logout > >and check the logs the next day. Beside 'feeling right' - I don't > >have to do anyting. I tell it to do it, and it does it. > Why not use screen? Why? I visit check on at least 6 machines each day. The nohup ensures the builds continue while I log out of that machine and onto another. If it was only one machine and I was to do other work I could use screen. But it's in, check the logs, check root/postmaster mail, off to another machine. If I had to do other things during a build screen would also work. But I run the builds late at night when the loads are lowest. And for at least the machines that I don't visit often I get nightly emails starting about 1130PM on successful backup and bit-level verify. Then I back on my own local beastie [actually two of them] Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 22:05:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD62F16A4CF for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:05:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.unixmexico.net (ns1.unixmexico.net [69.10.138.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6982C43D13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:05:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbari@unixmexico.com) Received: (qmail 55149 invoked by uid 85); 10 Dec 2003 06:07:18 -0000 Received: from nbari@unixmexico.com by ns1.unixmexico.net by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (hbedv: 6.22.0.1/6.22.0.6. Clear:. Processed in 0.328663 secs); 10 Dec 2003 06:07:18 -0000 Received: from ns1.unixmexico.net (HELO mail.unixmexico.com) ([69.10.138.161]) (envelope-sender ) by ns1.unixmexico.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Dec 2003 06:07:18 -0000 Received: from 148.243.211.1 (SquirrelMail authenticated user nbari@unixmexico.com) by mail.unixmexico.com with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:07:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:07:18 -0600 (CST) From: nbari@unixmexico.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:05:48 -0000 Hi all. I have a server with 1GB of RAM and a swap partition of 2GB i will upgrade the memory server to 2GB so my questions are: should i fix the swap partition to have now 4GB of space ? what other changes do i have to make to my system after adding more ram ? regards. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 9 22:38:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A031216A4CE; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:38:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACA0343D2B; Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:38:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) id hBA6ckH1052369; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:38:46 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:38:46 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: nbari@unixmexico.com Message-ID: <20031210063845.GG2435@dan.emsphone.com> References: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.2-BETA X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:38:49 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 10), nbari@unixmexico.com said: > I have a server with 1GB of RAM and a swap partition of 2GB i will > upgrade the memory server to 2GB so my questions are: > > should i fix the swap partition to have now 4GB of space ? Depends. Have you ever used up that 2gb of swap? If not, you'll probably never consume 4gb either :) If this is a database server, or something similar where a few processes allocate large amounts of memory, you don't need much swap anyway, since if any of those processes actually has to swap, you end up thrashing the system as it tries to swap 500mb processes in and out of memory. I really can't think of a system that would still perform well with 2 or 3GB of process space in swap. At the 2gb RAM point, you usually have a system where any swapping == bad news. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 00:41:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE4B16A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:41:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78B0843D13 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:41:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: (qmail 32516 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2003 08:41:28 -0000 Received: from niwun.pair.com (HELO localhost) (209.68.2.70) by relay.pair.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2003 08:41:28 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 209.68.2.70 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 02:41:26 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Silbersack To: nbari@unixmexico.com In-Reply-To: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> Message-ID: <20031210023427.T14579@odysseus.silby.com> References: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:41:32 -0000 On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 nbari@unixmexico.com wrote: > Hi all. > > I have a server with 1GB of RAM and a swap partition of 2GB i will upgrade > the memory server to 2GB so my questions are: > > should i fix the swap partition to have now 4GB of space ? > > what other changes do i have to make to my system after adding more ram ? > > regards. Dan's advice seems good; swapping more than a gig of data would be awful. I'm replying because I want to answer your real question. The notion of swap = 2 x ram is an old one, and is no longer applicable. (Some) older VM systems used very simplistic swapping mechanisms, which required entire processes to be swapped, thereby requiring large amounts of swap space. FreeBSD (and other modern OSes) page out to the swap file in increments of 4K pages, and do so in a flexible manner. As a result, you should always have *some* swap space to handle overload cases, but it's not necessary to keep any specific ram to swap ratio. (Actually, the term "swapping" is still used inside the FreeBSD kernel, but it only applies to paging out the last 20K or so of a process's memory.) Now, to contradict myself, there *is* a reason that you might wish to have a larger swapfile. Taking a crashdump requires that the swap file must be of the size RAM + 64K or so. Hence, your present swap file might be slightly too small to take a crashdump once you upgrade to 2G ram. Whether this is an issue for you or not depends on how often your machine crashes and whether you wish to debug it. :) Mike "Silby" Silbersack From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 06:41:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2669716A4CE; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:41:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9896F43D13; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:41:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBAEfCm7096002; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBAEfBWR096001; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:41:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:41:11 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebds.org Message-ID: <20031210144111.GC95844@wjv.com> References: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> <20031210023427.T14579@odysseus.silby.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031210023427.T14579@odysseus.silby.com> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com cc: nbari@unixmexico.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:41:17 -0000 While normally not able to pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel, on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:41 our dear friend Mike Silbersack uttered this load of codswallop: Just one slight addendum here. > I'm replying because I want to answer your real question. > The notion of swap = 2 x ram is an old one, and is no > longer applicable. (Some) older VM systems used very simplistic > swapping mechanisms, which required entire processes to be > swapped, thereby requiring large amounts of swap space. FreeBSD > (and other modern OSes) page out to the swap file in increments > of 4K pages, and do so in a flexible manner. As a result, you > should always have *some* swap space to handle overload cases, > but it's not necessary to keep any specific ram to swap ratio. Systems such as the Irix I used before moving the servers to FBSD around 1996 - reserverd swap space for applications when the application started up so those needed large swap space. Often it was never used, but the design allocated it anyway. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 07:46:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA4616A4CE; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3269243D13; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:46:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B6C652EC; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 69006-05-2; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from saboteur.dek.spc.org (unknown [82.147.19.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E56651EE; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by saboteur.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 25E9C25; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:25 +0000 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Bill Vermillion Message-ID: <20031210154625.GG48252@saboteur.dek.spc.org> Mail-Followup-To: Bill Vermillion , freebsd-isp@freebds.org, nbari@unixmexico.com, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> <20031210023427.T14579@odysseus.silby.com> <20031210144111.GC95844@wjv.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031210144111.GC95844@wjv.com> cc: nbari@unixmexico.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-isp@freebds.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:36 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 09:41:11AM -0500, Bill Vermillion wrote: > Systems such as the Irix I used before moving the servers to FBSD > around 1996 - reserverd swap space for applications when the > application started up so those needed large swap space. Often it > was never used, but the design allocated it anyway. I also remember what fun could be had on an IRIX 5.3 machine with leaky X11 servers. SGI's Xsgi memory leaks on that IRIX release were particularly noticeable when using it on a 24-bit Indy and viewing lots of porn^Wgraphics. This seemed to be down to Xsgi reserving lots of swap in lieu of a heavy backing store workload, which it didn't actually use. And this often brought Xsgi crashing to a halt anyway. So I would have mixed feelings about adopting such a scheme in future. BMS From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 12:38:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D1516A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from frankenstein.pimpjesus.com (frankenstein.pimpjesus.com [216.22.46.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC45D43D29 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:38:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from omar@pimpjesus.com) Received: from localhost (omar@localhost)hBAKcDb30327 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:38:13 GMT (envelope-from omar@pimpjesus.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:38:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Omar Refai To: Message-ID: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:38:14 -0000 Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone out there is having much success using a webmail server in production? Tried out horde but it is incredibly slow. I have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot or courier for an IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from anyone using it at a production level. -Omar *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ We lose the certain things while we seek the uncertain ones *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-., Latin Proverb From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 12:48:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E3A16A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from miha.netstream-gh.com (miha.netstream-gh.com [193.220.176.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEAD543D1F for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:48:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miha@ghuug.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miha.netstream-gh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C130F72F9; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:51:54 +0000 (GMT) From: "Mikhail P." To: Omar Refai , Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:51:53 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> In-Reply-To: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> Organization: Ghana Unix Users Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312102051.54067.miha@ghuug.org> Subject: Re: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: miha@ghuug.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:48:57 -0000 We are using Openwebmail (http://openwebmail.org) and users are quite happy with it (used to be squirrelmail some time ago, but OpenWebmail seems to be more "popular" among users). It is very flexible and has lots of plugins/addons. regards, M. On Wednesday 10 December 2003 20:38, Omar Refai wrote: > Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone out there is > having much success using a webmail server in production? Tried out horde > but it is incredibly slow. I have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot > or courier for an IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from anyone > using it at a production level. > > > -Omar > > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_ > > We lose the certain things while we seek > the uncertain ones > > *:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-.,_,.-:*'``'*:-., > > Latin Proverb > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 13:01:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2C316A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:01:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from otter3.centtech.com (moat3.centtech.com [207.200.51.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7A1E43D2C for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:01:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from centtech.com (neutrino.centtech.com [10.177.171.220]) by otter3.centtech.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBAL1V6T026565; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:01:31 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Message-ID: <3FD789A8.60507@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:01:28 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: miha@ghuug.org References: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> <200312102051.54067.miha@ghuug.org> In-Reply-To: <200312102051.54067.miha@ghuug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Omar Refai Subject: Re: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:01:36 -0000 Mikhail P. wrote: >We are using Openwebmail (http://openwebmail.org) and users are quite happy >with it (used to be squirrelmail some time ago, but OpenWebmail seems to be >more "popular" among users). It is very flexible and has lots of >plugins/addons. > Actually, openwebmail was Neomail, not Squirrelmail.. Squirrelmail is what we use, and it is great, although openwebmail is very nice also. >On Wednesday 10 December 2003 20:38, Omar Refai wrote: > > >>Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone out there is >>having much success using a webmail server in production? Tried out horde >>but it is incredibly slow. I have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot >>or courier for an IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from anyone >>using it at a production level. >> >> Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology All generalizations are false, including this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 13:04:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E79116A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:04:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from miha.netstream-gh.com (miha.netstream-gh.com [193.220.176.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9943443D2D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:04:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from miha@ghuug.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by miha.netstream-gh.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2D672F9; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:08:10 +0000 (GMT) From: "Mikhail P." To: Eric Anderson , miha@ghuug.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:08:10 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> <200312102051.54067.miha@ghuug.org> <3FD789A8.60507@centtech.com> In-Reply-To: <3FD789A8.60507@centtech.com> Organization: Ghana Unix Users Group MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312102108.10351.miha@ghuug.org> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Omar Refai Subject: Re: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: miha@ghuug.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:04:56 -0000 actually my post meant to be "we used squirrelmail some time ago [..]" my apologizes for confusion. and yes, you are right, neomail (right to the point webmail) was the father regards, M. On Wednesday 10 December 2003 21:01, Eric Anderson wrote: > Mikhail P. wrote: > >We are using Openwebmail (http://openwebmail.org) and users are quite > > happy with it (used to be squirrelmail some time ago, but OpenWebmail > > seems to be more "popular" among users). It is very flexible and has lots > > of > >plugins/addons. > > Actually, openwebmail was Neomail, not Squirrelmail.. Squirrelmail is > what we use, and it is great, although openwebmail is very nice also. > > >On Wednesday 10 December 2003 20:38, Omar Refai wrote: > >>Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone out there is > >>having much success using a webmail server in production? Tried out horde > >>but it is incredibly slow. I have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot > >>or courier for an IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from > >> anyone using it at a production level. > > Eric From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 13:39:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40DA16A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from taka.swcp.com (taka.swcp.com [198.59.115.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9199643D2B for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:39:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from deichert@wrench.com) Received: from shimi.swcp.com (shimi.swcp.com [198.59.115.14]) by taka.swcp.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBALdsSE001052 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:39:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (deichert@localhost) by shimi.swcp.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11916 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:39:54 -0700 (MST) X-Authentication-Warning: shimi.swcp.com: deichert owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:39:54 -0700 (MST) From: Diana Eichert X-Sender: deichert@shimi.swcp.com To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200312102051.54067.miha@ghuug.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on kaimen.swcp.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:39:59 -0000 Prayer, C, not PHP or Perl http://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/~dpc22/prayer/ and someone on a FreeBSD list has asked in the past about creating a port for it. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2003-April/003839.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 15:33:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D1616A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from cronos.madness.at (madness.at [213.153.61.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54F543D35 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:33:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mad-ml@madness.at) Received: from [81.223.23.235] (helo=madness.at) by cronos.madness.at with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.30) id 1AUDpe-0007iB-NW; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:33:27 +0100 Message-ID: <3FD7ACF9.9000407@madness.at> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:32:09 +0100 From: Alexander Marx User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031029 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Omar Refai References: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> In-Reply-To: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:33:41 -0000 Omar Refai wrote: > Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone out there is > having much success using a webmail server in production? Tried out horde > but it is incredibly slow. hm .. i don't know how you define "incredibly slow" but my experience with horde/imp is quite the contrary .. its imho pretty fast, has good scalability (e.g. a loadbalancer, a bunch of webservers and the sky is the limit), has a nice/intuitiv looking gui, a reasonable default featureset .. and it's even realtively easy to write your own horde modules ... .. did you read the suggestions in the horde/docs/PERFORMANCE especially regarding PHP accelerators and/or the mcrypt PHP extension .. > I have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot > or courier for an IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from anyone > using it at a production level. > arround here, we are using a loadbalanced (w/ linux virtual server) horde/imp setup with a courier-imap backend ... works reasonably well for ~ 45k users. > > -Omar > alex. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:14:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDBD16A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (67-51-118-244.dsl1.elk.ca.frontiernet.net [67.51.118.244]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D631F43D21 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:14:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from bigdaddy (bigdaddy.mykitchentable.net [192.168.1.3]) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E459F3BF35A; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:14:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <03e401c3bf7b$c321f110$0301a8c0@bigdaddy> From: "Drew Tomlinson" To: "Alexander Marx" , "Omar Refai" References: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> <3FD7ACF9.9000407@madness.at> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:14:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:14:45 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Marx" Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:32 PM > Omar Refai wrote: > > Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone out there is > > having much success using a webmail server in production? Tried out horde > > but it is incredibly slow. Lots of suggestions on this thread. I've been thinking of implementing a webmail server as well but would like one that supports PDAs. Any suggestions? Thanks, Drew From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E158016A4CE; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:26:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from spmler2.mail.eds.com (spmler2.mail.eds.com [194.128.225.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0CD43D09; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:26:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thomas.sparrevohn@eds.com) Received: from spmlir2.mail.eds.com (spmlir2.mail.eds.com [205.191.69.42]) by spmler2.mail.eds.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBB0QR5P010379; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:27 GMT Received: from spmlir2.mail.eds.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spmlir2.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBB0QRs08295; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:27 GMT Received: from ukspm104.exemhub.exch.eds.com ([204.230.90.155]) by spmlir2.mail.eds.com (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) with ESMTP id hBB0QRS08289; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:27 GMT Received: by ukspm104.exemhub.exch.eds.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:21 -0000 Message-ID: <2946E9F05C8DD511A7DC0002A5608CE401143D3F@gbchm201.exgb01.exch.eds.com> From: "Sparrevohn, Thomas" To: bv@wjv.com, freebsd-isp@freebds.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain cc: nbari@unixmexico.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:26:33 -0000 The same was true for 10.20 and 11 Versions of HPUX - I believe there once was I very long going debate when the "new" FreeBSD vm was made on the issue. The fundamental question at the time was what to do when you run out of swap/vm space. The 1-1 backing of swap space was seen as a way to avoid that you have resort to kill random processes in order to free up space and the tradition with the 2-1 swap ratio used to have "a performance reason" in the initial Unix Swap and paging implementations. I can't seem to recall the actual reason -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Bill Vermillion Sent: 10 December 2003 14:41 To: freebsd-isp@freebds.org Cc: nbari@unixmexico.com; freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding more ram While normally not able to pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel, on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 02:41 our dear friend Mike Silbersack uttered this load of codswallop: Just one slight addendum here. > I'm replying because I want to answer your real question. > The notion of swap = 2 x ram is an old one, and is no longer > applicable. (Some) older VM systems used very simplistic swapping > mechanisms, which required entire processes to be swapped, thereby > requiring large amounts of swap space. FreeBSD (and other modern OSes) > page out to the swap file in increments of 4K pages, and do so in a > flexible manner. As a result, you should always have *some* swap space > to handle overload cases, but it's not necessary to keep any specific > ram to swap ratio. Systems such as the Irix I used before moving the servers to FBSD around 1996 - reserverd swap space for applications when the application started up so those needed large swap space. Often it was never used, but the design allocated it anyway. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 16:39:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0C716A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:39:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from p3.saignon.net (66-146-166-52.skyriver.net [66.146.166.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 175A943D2D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:39:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@saign.com) Received: (qmail 16835 invoked by uid 89); 11 Dec 2003 00:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: <20031211003917.16834.qmail@p3.saignon.net> References: <20031210203626.C29598-100000@frankenstein.pimpjesus.com> <3FD7ACF9.9000407@madness.at> <03e401c3bf7b$c321f110$0301a8c0@bigdaddy> In-Reply-To: <03e401c3bf7b$c321f110$0301a8c0@bigdaddy> From: Tony Saign To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:39:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Updating from 4.x stable to 5.x -current? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:39:23 -0000 Should I even try it, or just rebuild from scratch?? -Tony From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 21:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1A816A4CF; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:01:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC08643D2A; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:01:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBB51MUd081781; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:01:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)hBB51KYk081778; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:01:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Dan Nelson In-Reply-To: <20031210063845.GG2435@dan.emsphone.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: nbari@unixmexico.com cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:01:41 -0000 On Wed, 10 Dec 2003, Dan Nelson wrote: > In the last episode (Dec 10), nbari@unixmexico.com said: > > I have a server with 1GB of RAM and a swap partition of 2GB i will > > upgrade the memory server to 2GB so my questions are: > > > > should i fix the swap partition to have now 4GB of space ? > > Depends. Have you ever used up that 2gb of swap? If not, you'll > probably never consume 4gb either :) If this is a database server, or > something similar where a few processes allocate large amounts of > memory, you don't need much swap anyway, since if any of those processes > actually has to swap, you end up thrashing the system as it tries to > swap 500mb processes in and out of memory. I really can't think of a > system that would still perform well with 2 or 3GB of process space in > swap. At the 2gb RAM point, you usually have a system where any > swapping == bad news. Actually, the thing I use swap for most now is to make sure I can allocate large temporary file systems without consuming excessive kernel address space. I.e., I'll often create a 512mb swap-backed md device for /tmp, and make sure I have enough swap to fully back it and everything else, even though the chances are I won't touch it in normal operation. I just don't want to run out in the event something does need it... Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 23:07:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2833516A4CE; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from VARK.homeunix.com (adsl-68-121-111-46.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [68.121.111.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF5F43D09; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:07:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from VARK.homeunix.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by VARK.homeunix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBB77FHj028339; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: (from das@localhost) by VARK.homeunix.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBB77FhF028338; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:07:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@FreeBSD.ORG) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:07:14 -0800 From: David Schultz To: Mike Silbersack Message-ID: <20031211070714.GA28221@VARK.homeunix.com> Mail-Followup-To: Mike Silbersack , nbari@unixmexico.com, freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20571.148.243.211.1.1071036438.squirrel@mail.unixmexico.com> <20031210023427.T14579@odysseus.silby.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031210023427.T14579@odysseus.silby.com> cc: nbari@unixmexico.com cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:07:34 -0000 On Wed, Dec 10, 2003, Mike Silbersack wrote: > > On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 nbari@unixmexico.com wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > > I have a server with 1GB of RAM and a swap partition of 2GB i will upgrade > > the memory server to 2GB so my questions are: > > > > should i fix the swap partition to have now 4GB of space ? > > > > what other changes do i have to make to my system after adding more ram ? > > > > regards. > > Dan's advice seems good; swapping more than a gig of data would be awful. > > I'm replying because I want to answer your real question. The notion > of swap = 2 x ram is an old one, and is no longer applicable. The real reason that 2 * sizeof(RAM) is often an overestimate on FreeBSD is that FreeBSD overcommits swap (as others have pointed out.) Many (most?) other systems do not overcommit, including Solaris. Some systems, such as Tru64 (and Linux???) support both. For these systems, 2 * sizeof(RAM) is sometimes even an underestimate. These days overcommit is actually not very sensible. Even though it tends to overestimate space requirements, disk capacity has outstripped RAM capacity to such an extent that the cost is nominal. The advantage of being more conservative is that you never have to kill processes to save the kernel from deadlock. (Wes recently added a simple feature that improved the situation, but randomly killing processes is still a kludge.) Unfortunately, getting non-overcommit right is hard. In addition to checking available space every time you allocate pageable memory (including things like lazily copied map entries), you also need to be careful to reserve enough space for stacks for each application thread, etc. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 10 23:58:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C603716A4CE for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:58:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (zuerich132.swisseasy.net [80.74.132.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B7243D2D for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 36776 invoked by uid 2520); 11 Dec 2003 07:59:37 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by atlas.swisseasy.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.60. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 0.498147 secs); 11 Dec 2003 07:59:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (arie@gerszt.ch@212.41.80.186) by zuerich132.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 07:59:37 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:59:47 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: offline disk redundancy X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:58:58 -0000 Hi I hope to find the right "gurus" here for my question. I have a server (A) which has a 9 GB SCSI boot disk. I would like to backup this disk in such a manner, that I can easily put the entire content on another disk (upon failure) of the disk. This needs as I understand boot loader, mbr information copied too. I'd guess dd could do this. But I cannot be completely sure that the 2 disks are geometrically equal (there both 9 GB SCSI but different vendors). What procedure would you suggest for doing this? Thanks, Arie From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 00:19:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BF516A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:19:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from exhsto1.se.dataphone.com (exhsto1.se.dataphone.com [212.37.6.239]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45F543D2A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:19:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patrik.forsberg@dataphone.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:19:27 +0100 Message-ID: <375DD163B075E34EA3C10A6286E34A542456E0@exhsto1.se.dataphone.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Updating from 4.x stable to 5.x -current? Thread-Index: AcO/f2WR7B8loVUHQaOMZyOYEXlUNAAP7bWA From: "Patrik Forsberg" To: Subject: RE: Updating from 4.x stable to 5.x -current? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:19:31 -0000 > Should I even try it, or just rebuild from scratch??=20 I tried this once in a lab and got to the conclution that a upgrade aint possible without complete-reformat. With binary upgrade via boot-floppys or via boot-cd it core-dumps after checking the hdd's and the source-build fails .. dont remember where atm. That was from 4.9-STABLE to 5.1-RELEASE.. Regards, Patrik From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 01:03:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85DC816A4D5 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from nildram.net (vmailw2k45.trinitevisp.co.uk [195.38.85.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BA0D43D13 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:03:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan.ros@nildram.net) Received: from exchange.office.nildram.net [195.149.26.28] by VMAILW2K45.trinitevisp.co.uk with ESMTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:03:03 Received: by exchange.office.nildram.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:03:03 -0000 Message-ID: From: Dan Ros To: 'Omar Refai' , freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:03:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: RE: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:03:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Omar Refai [mailto:omar@pimpjesus.com] > Sent: 10 December 2003 20:38 > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: webmail server > Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone > out there is having much success using a webmail server in > production? Tried out horde but it is incredibly slow. I > have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot or courier for an > IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from anyone > using it at a production level. My university uses it to support 30,000 students and it works extremely well. (webmail.aber.ac.uk) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 01:52:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23BB16A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:52:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.yazzy.org (yazzy.org [217.8.140.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4821743D21 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 01:52:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@yazzy.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75A4539820 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:52:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.yazzy.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (urukhai.yazzy.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40114-06 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:52:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from yazzy.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.yazzy.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BDF593981F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:52:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from 62.92.122.51 (SquirrelMail authenticated user freebsd@yazzy.org) by mail.yazzy.org with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:52:36 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <59057.62.92.122.51.1071136356.squirrel@mail.yazzy.org> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:52:36 +0100 (CET) From: "Martin Jessa" To: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.11) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: RE: webmail server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@yazzy.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:52:44 -0000 Hi. One of the biggest web portals in norway, www.start.no uses horde too. It seems to be working well. They've tried to run SquirrelMail too but then it was far too slow. >From my experience, running Webmail and IMAPd on the same box should speed up your connections a lot. YazzY >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Omar Refai [mailto:omar@pimpjesus.com] >> Sent: 10 December 2003 20:38 >> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >> Subject: webmail server > >> Howdy all. This is my first post. I was wondering if anyone >> out there is having much success using a webmail server in >> production? Tried out horde but it is incredibly slow. I >> have heard that squirrel mail with dovecot or courier for an >> IMAP server is pretty good but haven't heard from anyone >> using it at a production level. > > My university uses it to support 30,000 students and it works extremely > well. (webmail.aber.ac.uk) > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 05:08:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E6016A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:08:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980D543D1F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 05:08:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBBD8YxT049962; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:08:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from BLUELAPIS.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id hBBD8UbC095369; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:08:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: Mike Tancsa To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: "Arie J. Gerszt" Subject: Re: offline disk redundancy X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:08:38 -0000 We use dump and restore and have a firewire drive on our backup server. e.g. either "push" or "pull" the dump to your backup server #!/bin/sh #push a backup image to the server backupserver.example.com #and place the gzip'd file in the path /backups/server /sbin/dump -0uanf - / |gzip -5 | ssh -c blowfish backupuser@backupserver.example.com dd of=3D/backups/server/dump-root-l0.gz /sbin/dump -0uanf - /usr |gzip -5 | ssh -c blowfish backupuser@backupserver.example.com dd of=3D/backups/server/dump-usr-l0.gz /sbin/dump -0uanf - /var |gzip -5 | ssh -c blowfish backupuser@backupserver.example.com dd of=3D/backups/server/dump-var-l0.gz To restore, plug in your new fresh drive /stand/sysinstall fdisk it, add the bootloader (all part of the fdisk process) then use disklabel to partition to your liking either as big or big enough to hold your data mount the new drive under something like /mnt-root /mnt-usr /mnt-var cd /mnt-root zcar /backups/server/dump-root-l0.gz | restore -f - ....should work or if it does not take it from the pipe, gzip -d the file first and then cd /mnt-root and restore -f /backups/server/dump-root-l0 ---Mike On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:59:47 +0100, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote: >Hi > >I hope to find the right "gurus" here for my question. > >I have a server (A) which has a 9 GB SCSI boot disk. I would like to = backup >this disk >in such a manner, that I can easily put the entire content on another = disk >(upon failure) >of the disk. This needs as I understand boot loader, mbr information = copied >too. > >I'd guess dd could do this. But I cannot be completely sure that the 2 = disks >are >geometrically equal (there both 9 GB SCSI but different vendors). > >What procedure would you suggest for doing this? > >Thanks, >Arie > > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 06:30:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB72816A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from joyin.redynet.com.ar (pepina.redynet.com.ar [200.69.11.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6180E43D1F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@redy.net.ar) Received: (qmail 85312 invoked by uid 82); 11 Dec 2003 14:40:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO carlino.redy.net.ar) (200.69.11.9) by pepina.redynet.com.ar with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 14:40:40 -0000 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:17:48 -0300 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: "::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta::::::::" Organization: redynet Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.21/FreeBSD M2 build 497 Subject: djbdns X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:30:58 -0000 Hi, my english is very bad and i am try to comunicate. I am want to migrate my bind dns to djbdns with axf all ok i have my 2000 domains in data format with any problem. But my clients use de same ip for cache(dnscahe=my actully public ip) and resolver(tinydns=127.0.0.1), how can i put this system withou t put a public ip in tinydns; if a redirect my domains example : echo "127.0.0.1" > domain.com ; this works when client of my network consult directly my dnscache but dont works when any external server want to consult my tinydns. -- Carlos Ariel Canta Dto. Tecnico Redynet S.R.L From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 07:05:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347C816A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.day-light.net (day-light.net [64.37.72.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B1C43D2A for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 07:05:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: from w1 (gabriel.day-light.net [216.162.118.203]) by mail.day-light.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 76D5135265; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:05:51 -0600 (CST) From: "John Brooks" To: "'::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta::::::::'" , Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:05:50 -0600 Message-ID: <005b01c3bff8$445dd2e0$c905010a@daylight.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: djbdns X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: john@day-light.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:05:53 -0000 If I understand your question correctly... 1) To accept queries from hosts INSIDE your network # touch /path/to/dnscache/root/ip/x.x.x (where x.x.x is the network range of interior hosts) 2) To accept queries for DNS lookups from internet hosts (you should have already done this when tinydns first installed, plus you need to enter your zone data into this location: /usr/local/etc/tinydns/root/master ) # tinydns-conf tinydns dnslog /usr/local/etc/tinydns z.z.z.z (where z.z.z.z is the ip address of your authoritative nameserver) full detailed instructions are here: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html buena suerte -- John Brooks john@stlbsd.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of ::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta:::::::: Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:18 AM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: djbdns Hi, my english is very bad and i am try to comunicate. I am want to migrate my bind dns to djbdns with axf all ok i have my 2000 domains in data format with any problem. But my clients use de same ip for cache(dnscahe=my actully public ip) and resolver(tinydns=127.0.0.1), how can i put this system withou t put a public ip in tinydns; if a redirect my domains example : echo "127.0.0.1" > domain.com ; this works when client of my network consult directly my dnscache but dont works when any external server want to consult my tinydns. -- Carlos Ariel Canta Dto. Tecnico Redynet S.R.L From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 10:47:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F5016A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:47:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.infinithost.com (mail.infinithost.com [69.48.53.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE85043D2F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:47:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from charford-list@infinithost.com) Received: from [129.128.88.158] (port=51611 helo=[129.128.88.158]) by mail.infinithost.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.22) id 1AUVqi-000PBJ-NZ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:47:44 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> References: <042601c3be94$c2ff3bd0$019c9752@xp> <001d01c3be97$90ac83b0$3d1f1fac@corp.firstlink.com> <047d01c3be98$a717ff20$019c9752@xp> <20031209212344.GB93443@complx.LF.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7CED48B7-2C0A-11D8-9688-000A9597E964@infinithost.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Colin Harford Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:47:36 -0700 To: Kurt Jaeger X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.0 (v30, 10.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Who are using FreeBSD for Hosting Env. and Which Update Method X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:47:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I use a similar setting with FreeBSD 5 boxes. There is a slight change needed in the Makefile.inc1 for the install world to work. I have submitted a patch a few months ago and filled a bug report for it. #57539 What I do is, I have a devel box that tests everything, it downloads the source code, I compile the code and test it on there for a few days before transmitting it to any of the production servers. On 9-Dec-03, at 2:23 PM, Kurt Jaeger wrote: > Hi! > >> Which verison FreeBSD are you using ?! > > Most of the server: 4.9. Some bit-rot, we're working on it. > >> How long does it take to complate all process ?! > > For one server, if it's fairly recent: approx. 10 minutes of > person-time, approx. 1-2 hours wall-clock (compiling). > >> You mean I can make source up-to-date (cvsup) / make world process >> at this >> moment server can response to web clients ?! > > Yes. Only a short time (during the installworld and mergemaster) > the system is in a somehow fragile state, but it works most of > the time, so we do it in multiuser. > > The update 4.9 -> 5.2 will probably be much more difficult and > we will test it extensibly, before we do it on production servers. > >> Why don't you choose binary update methode . Does it have problem ?! >> or it's >> not a true way to keep up-to-date FreeBSD > > Good question 8-) > >> and do you test those process on other machine before apply those >> patches to >> your production server ?! > > Yes, intensivly. We first do it to our desktop systems and testservers > (approx. 40 systems) before we make the rollout to the visible servers. > > -- > MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 > years to go ! > LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net > Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 > D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQE/2LvK70HXebAAFAERAkyEAJ4l0DgW7u7Qvwve0ExR4QaCZENu9gCbBXQD myW1bSTrl0JsA9mx39D0d20= =jzY0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 10:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6CE16A4CE; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C93B243D21; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id hBBIwP5Z002795; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.1.1.193] (nfw2.codefab.com [66.234.138.66]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/smtpin08/MantshX 3.0) with ESMTP id hBBIwOxO024844; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:58:25 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Charles Swiger Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:58:24 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) Subject: Re: adding more ram X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:58:26 -0000 On Dec 11, 2003, at 12:01 AM, Robert Watson wrote: > [ ... ] > Actually, the thing I use swap for most now is to make sure I can > allocate > large temporary file systems without consuming excessive kernel address > space. I.e., I'll often create a 512mb swap-backed md device for /tmp, > and make sure I have enough swap to fully back it and everything else, > even though the chances are I won't touch it in normal operation. I > just > don't want to run out in the event something does need it... I first saw this implemented under Solaris via the "tmpfs" filesystem mount type, and I agree with you that it tends to function quite well. By the time Solaris transitioned from 2.6 to 2.7 (aka Solaris 7), having /tmp be memory-based was the default system configuration, and I would like to see FreeBSD pursue the same course. I seem to recall that Solaris sets the paging priority of processes higher than tmpfs so that the system will write out of the contents of the memory-based filesystem rather than reducing process working sets if the system encounters memory pressure. I'm not sure to what extent this is applicable to FreeBSD's md device. Also, will FreeBSD double-buffer md based devices if it does need to scribble their contents to disk, or is something like what Mach calls a "unified buffer cache" available? -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 11:38:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CF016A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (zuerich132.swisseasy.net [80.74.132.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C388543D1F for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:38:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 72369 invoked by uid 2520); 11 Dec 2003 19:38:36 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by atlas.swisseasy.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.60. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 0.481889 secs); 11 Dec 2003 19:38:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (arie@gerszt.ch@212.41.70.53) by zuerich132.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 19:38:36 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:39:28 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:38:39 -0000 hi all, in one of our servers we have a disk where the bios reports failure predicted (SMART) unfortunately this happens to be our start volume (ad0) which has several slices/partitions. At the moment the disk works (still). What is the easiest way to copy everything from this disk to another new one (including boot mgmr, mbr) the system has in total 3 disks, but only the first (the broken one) is bootable. thanks, arie From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 12:03:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683F916A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:03:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from inferno.eagle.ca (inferno.eagle.ca [209.167.16.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C1B43D37 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:02:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iaccounts@northnetworks.ca) Received: from [192.168.1.150] (sfw.eagle.ca [209.167.16.15]) by inferno.eagle.ca (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBBJxKiE004889; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:59:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from iaccounts@northnetworks.ca) From: Steve Bertrand To: "Arie J. Gerszt" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071172916.478.27.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:01:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:03:31 -0000 > in one of our servers we have a disk where the bios reports > > failure predicted (SMART) > > unfortunately this happens to be our start volume (ad0) which has > several slices/partitions. > > At the moment the disk works (still). What is the easiest way to > copy everything from this disk to another new one (including boot > mgmr, mbr) > > the system has in total 3 disks, but only the first (the broken one) > is bootable. > Put in another disk drive temporarily, and since this is only a one time thing, you can use dd. Try to eliminate most, if not all access to the box: # dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/ad4 Substitute ad4 with the dev name of the temporary drive. Once dd is done, take out the primary disk and replace it with the new clone. Read man dd(8) as I don't know off the top of my head what the optimal options would be for dd in this case. Steve > thanks, > arie > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Steve Bertrand President/CTO, Northumberland Network Services t: 905.352.2688 w: www.northnetworks.ca From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 12:43:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0182316A4CE; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from etrn2.doruk.net.tr (etrn2.doruk.net.tr [212.58.5.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFBA543D29; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:43:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vahric@doruk.net.tr) Received: from mail.doruk.net.tr ([212.58.5.6] helo=doruk.net.tr) by etrn2.doruk.net.tr with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AUXjr-0005Zn-0u; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:48:47 +0200 Received: from [82.151.156.1] (account vahric HELO xp) by doruk.net.tr (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 66156951; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:44:21 +0200 Message-ID: <042e01c3c027$6256a950$019c9752@xp> From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "Freebsd isp isp" , "FreeBSD questions List" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:42:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: When FreeBSD have higer performans than Linux and When Linux have higher performans than FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:43:43 -0000 Hi Everybody , I red Explaining BSD documents and on 4.7 Which should I use , BSD or Linux section it said that " BSD systems , in particular FreeBSD , can have notably higer performans than Linux but this is not accross the board In many cases , there is little or no difference in performans. In some cases , LInux may performa better than FreeBSD . *Now , I wonder When or Which situations FreeBSD have more performans than Linux ?! *I wondor too When or Which situations Linux have more performasn than FreeBSD ?! I used Linux too much but I never use FreeBSD in production Env. because of this I can't compare it Thanks Vahric From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 12:50:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AAB16A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from inferno.eagle.ca (inferno.eagle.ca [209.167.16.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A676C43D29 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:50:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iaccounts@northnetworks.ca) Received: from [192.168.1.150] (sfw.eagle.ca [209.167.16.15]) by inferno.eagle.ca (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id hBBKl7iE007750; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from iaccounts@northnetworks.ca) From: Steve Bertrand To: "Arie J. Gerszt" In-Reply-To: <1071172916.478.27.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> References: <1071172916.478.27.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1071175781.478.57.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:49:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:50:36 -0000 > > At the moment the disk works (still). What is the easiest way to > > copy everything from this disk to another new one (including boot > > mgmr, mbr) > > > > the system has in total 3 disks, but only the first (the broken one) > > is bootable. > > > > Put in another disk drive temporarily, and since this is only a one time > thing, you can use dd. Try to eliminate most, if not all access to the > box: > > # dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/ad4 > > Substitute ad4 with the dev name of the temporary drive. Once dd is > done, take out the primary disk and replace it with the new clone. Read > man dd(8) as I don't know off the top of my head what the optimal > options would be for dd in this case. > I'm following a thread in questions right now, and I must agree with some of the posts stating that using dd on the / filesystem could cause grief if the partition is mounted. You may want to use a fixit floppy or alternative boot method and then dd the disk to ensure no writes occur whilst in transfer. Steve > Steve > > > thanks, > > arie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Steve Bertrand President/CTO, Northumberland Network Services t: 905.352.2688 w: www.northnetworks.ca From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 13:17:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA78616A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:17:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from moltres.pci2.net (moltres.pci2.net [65.222.116.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9740843D29 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:17:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from scorpio@drkshdw.org) Received: (qmail 2937 invoked by uid 89); 11 Dec 2003 21:19:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mars) (209.26.20.205) by moltres.pci2.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 2003 21:19:49 -0000 Message-ID: <095001c3c02c$2bd1ce50$0201a8c0@mars> From: "Jeff Palmer" To: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" , "Freebsd isp isp" References: <042e01c3c027$6256a950$019c9752@xp> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: When FreeBSD have higer performans than Linux and When Linux havehigher performans than FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:17:41 -0000 Vahric, First.. typically cross posting to multiple mailing lists is usually frowned upon. Now, on to your question: All OS wars aside, nobody here can tell you which situations will be faster on BSD or linux because it's really based on how the OS is tuned. Any "benchmark" you see is typically going to be slightly skewed due to a number of things including: #1) Lack of knowledge. The tester may not have the appropriate knowledge to configure both systems to their peak. #2) "Point to prove" some benchmarks are so obviously one-sided it's apparent that the tester just wants to slam another OS, or falsley claim his OS is superior in some way. #3) Incomplete, or inconclusive tests. Some testers will focus on a single point, or set of points for his specific goal set. Your goalset is usually not going to be identical. In short, the only true way to determine which is better for your specific needs, is to setup a test environment, configure both OS's on identical hardware, tweak both OS's to your specific application, and run the tests that *you* need to make an educated and informed decision. Having said that, I really recommend that you do not use the default or "out of the box" settings for either OS. Take the time to educate yourself, a nd tune both OS's. You'll thank yourself in the long run. Linux in particular is usually tuned for desktop uses rather than server (depending ont he distro of course). whereas FreeBSD is tuned more as a "jack of all trades" OS. In it's default configuration, it will act as a mediocre webserver, database server, desktop, or file share. Only when you tune it, will you actually be impressed with it's capability and scalability. I hope this mail will help you decide which OS is right for your needs, without starting some lame "My OS is better than your OS" war that will undoubtedly creep up since you also posted the question to freebsd-questions. Best of luck in your endeavours, Jeff Palmer scorpio@drkshdw.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vahric MUHTARYAN" To: "Freebsd isp isp" ; "FreeBSD questions List" Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: When FreeBSD have higer performans than Linux and When Linux havehigher performans than FreeBSD > Hi Everybody , > > > I red Explaining BSD documents and on 4.7 Which should I use , BSD or > Linux section it said that " BSD systems , in particular FreeBSD , can have > notably higer performans than Linux but this is not accross the board In > many cases , there is little or no difference in performans. In some cases , > LInux may performa better than FreeBSD . > > *Now , I wonder When or Which situations FreeBSD have more performans > than Linux ?! > > > *I wondor too When or Which situations Linux have more performasn than > FreeBSD ?! > > > I used Linux too much but I never use FreeBSD in production Env. because > of this I can't compare it > > Thanks > Vahric > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 15:19:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1990F16A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:19:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from vette.gigo.com (vette.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB6243D1D for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:19:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.gigo.com [127.0.0.1]) by vette.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C770A98B; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:18:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:18:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Fesler To: "::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta::::::::" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031211151652.X61349@vette.gigo.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: djbdns X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:19:41 -0000 > But my clients use de same ip for cache(dnscahe=my actully public ip) and You can't (without patches at least) run both dnscache (resolver) and tinydns (authoritive) on the same single IP. On my own system, I run dnscache on 127.0.0.1; I run tinydns on my main ethernet IP; and I run a resolver for clients on a virtual IP. One machine can handle it, but you'll need more than one public IP. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 16:16:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C6B16A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from relent.cedata.com (bl.cedata.com [65.167.180.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62FB843D3C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gcirino@cirelle.com) Received: (qmail 15196 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 00:19:34 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO relent.cedata.com) (127.0.0.1) by relent.cedata.com with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 00:19:34 -0000 X-MessageWall-Score: 0 (relent.cedata.com) Received: from [65.167.180.251] by relent.cedata.com (MessageWall 1.1.0) with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 0:19:34 -0000 Message-ID: <004401c3c045$665f1690$fbb4a741@cedata.net> From: "Greg Cirino - Cirelle Enterprises" To: "::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta::::::::" References: <20031211151652.X61349@vette.gigo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:17:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: djbdns X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:16:48 -0000 | > But my clients use de same ip for cache(dnscahe=3Dmy actully public = ip) and The basic logic for djbdns tinydns - authorative IP axfrdns - authorative IP dnscache - alternate IP tinydns used for resolving domains you own on UDP axfrdns used for accepting requests from TCP (larger than 512) dnscache used for resolving the internet (and your authorative domains) Let's say your authorative domain server is registered with the internic = as=20 NS.YOURDOMAIN.COM at IP 1.2.3.4 (this only contains domains you host) tinydns should listen to 1.2.3.4 axfrdns should listen to 1.2.3.4 dnscache needs to be on a different IP (i.e. 1.2.3.5) If you want your internal servers/workstations to be able to resolve the = internet you will need to change all primary dns entries in resolv.conf (or = network on windows machines) to the IP of dnscache (in this case 1.2.3.5). A good reference can be found at: http://lifewithdjbdns.org/ HTH Greg From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 21:13:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2908516A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:13:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from admin.wolfpaw.net (admin.wolfpaw.net [204.209.44.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C31E943D36 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:13:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin-lists@wolfpaw.net) Received: (qmail 32308 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2003 05:13:43 -0000 Received: from adsl246-118.incentre.net (HELO wolf) (207.216.246.118) by admin.wolfpaw.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 05:13:43 -0000 From: "Wolfpaw - Dale Corse" To: Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:23:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004401c3c045$665f1690$fbb4a741@cedata.net> Subject: RE: djbdns X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:13:46 -0000 How does djbdns measure up to bind anyway? Bind works wonderfully for us.. any reasons someone can come up with (other then the beaten to deal security arguments) why a person should change over? Thanks in advance :) D. -------------------------------- Dale Corse System Administrator Wolfpaw Services Inc. http://www.wolfpaw.net (780) 474-4095 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Greg > Cirino - Cirelle > Enterprises > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:18 PM > To: ::::Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta:::::::: > Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: djbdns > > > | > But my clients use de same ip for cache(dnscahe=my > actully public ip) and > > The basic logic for djbdns > > tinydns - authorative IP > axfrdns - authorative IP > > dnscache - alternate IP > > tinydns used for resolving domains you own on UDP > axfrdns used for accepting requests from TCP (larger than 512) > > dnscache used for resolving the internet (and your > authorative domains) > > Let's say your authorative domain server is registered with > the internic as > NS.YOURDOMAIN.COM at IP 1.2.3.4 (this only contains domains > you host) > > tinydns should listen to 1.2.3.4 > axfrdns should listen to 1.2.3.4 > > dnscache needs to be on a different IP (i.e. 1.2.3.5) > > If you want your internal servers/workstations to be able > to resolve the internet > you will need to change all primary dns entries in > resolv.conf (or network on > windows machines) to the IP of dnscache (in this case 1.2.3.5). > > A good reference can be found at: > http://lifewithdjbdns.org/ > > HTH > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 11 21:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE02816A4CE for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:36:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from vette.gigo.com (vette.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4738143D3C for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:36:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jfesler@gigo.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.gigo.com [127.0.0.1]) by vette.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DB1EA8DB; Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:35:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Fesler To: Wolfpaw - Dale Corse In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20031211213245.I61349@vette.gigo.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: djbdns X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:36:45 -0000 > How does djbdns measure up to bind anyway? Bind works wonderfully > for us.. any reasons someone can come up with (other then the beaten > to deal security arguments) why a person should change over? If you are happy with bind; If you stay current on bind security problems; If you find the ISC to be hoopy froods and DJB to be, well, DJB; then focus your attention to more fruitful efforts. Really. --jason (a die hard djbdns user, who fears bind to death, but not an evangelist) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 03:50:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A155816A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:50:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ptb-relay01.plus.net (ptb-relay01.plus.net [212.159.14.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B13243D1F for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 03:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simong@desktop-guardian.com) Received: from [81.174.227.186] (helo=desktop-guardian.com) by ptb-relay01.plus.net with smtp (Exim 4.24; FreeBSD 4.9) id 1AUloT-0004Xk-35 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:50:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 16885 invoked by uid 1006); 12 Dec 2003 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from simong@desktop-guardian.com by dtg25 by uid 82 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.54. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 17.976833 secs); 12 Dec 2003 11:56:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO dtg17) (192.168.0.17) by 192.168.0.25 with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 11:55:55 -0000 Message-ID: <014901c3c0a5$de67b060$1100a8c0@dtg17> From: "Simon Gray" To: "Jeff Palmer" , "Freebsd isp isp" References: <042e01c3c027$6256a950$019c9752@xp> <095001c3c02c$2bd1ce50$0201a8c0@mars> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:48:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: When FreeBSD have higer performans than Linux and When Linuxhavehigher performans than FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:50:32 -0000 > Having said that, I really recommend that you do not use the default or > "out of the box" settings for either OS. Take the time to educate yourself, > a nd tune both OS's. You'll thank yourself in the long run. Linux in > particular is usually tuned for desktop uses rather than server (depending > ont he distro of course). whereas FreeBSD is tuned more as a "jack of all > trades" OS. In it's default configuration, it will act as a mediocre > webserver, database server, desktop, or file share. Only when you tune it, > will you actually be impressed with it's capability and scalability. Interesting, do you happen to know of any docs for fbsd (apart from the handbook of course) that provide suggestions for tuning? Simon From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 05:28:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097E516A4CF for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:28:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DDC43D09 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:28:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBCDSrm7099149 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:28:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBCDSqhL099148 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:28:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:28:52 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031212132852.GC98665@wjv.com> References: <042e01c3c027$6256a950$019c9752@xp> <095001c3c02c$2bd1ce50$0201a8c0@mars> <014901c3c0a5$de67b060$1100a8c0@dtg17> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <014901c3c0a5$de67b060$1100a8c0@dtg17> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: When FreeBSD have higer performans than Linux and When Linuxhavehigher performans than FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:28:59 -0000 It's Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 11:48 . I'm in a small dim room with doors labeled "Dungeon" and "Forbidden". There is noise, the door marked Dungeon flies open and Simon Gray SHOUTS: > > Having said that, I really recommend that you do not use the > > default or "out of the box" settings for either OS. Take the > > time to educate yourself, a nd tune both OS's. You'll thank > > yourself in the long run. Linux in particular is usually tuned > > for desktop uses rather than server (depending ont he distro > > of course). whereas FreeBSD is tuned more as a "jack of all > > trades" OS. In it's default configuration, it will act as a > > mediocre webserver, database server, desktop, or file share. > > Only when you tune it, will you actually be impressed with > > it's capability and scalability. > Interesting, do you happen to know of any docs for fbsd (apart > from the handbook of course) that provide suggestions for > tuning? Start with man 7 tuning and then see the references at the bottom of that page. -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 05:49:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5C316A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:49:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from bl.metva.com.au (c210-49-170-214.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.170.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B75343D33 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:49:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from enno@bashful.metva.com.au) Received: by bl.metva.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1003) id E2748D78C00; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:49:20 +1100 (EST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:49:20 +1100 From: Enno Davids To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031212134920.GA7426@bl.metva.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Subject: routing according to traffic type... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:49:27 -0000 Guys'n'gals, not sure this is the right forum for this, but I suspect there may be someone here who can point me at the right bit of doco... I currently have two systems in my home office each acting as gateway/firewall to two different network providers. One is attached to a cable network and is used predominantly for a squid to get fast access to the net for web browsing. The other system is the general gateway with the publically visible addresses and is used for more general purpose things. (mail, dns, etc) So, its time to retire the mail, dns gateway and ideally I'd like to consolidate the two systems into one. To do this I'd need some way to tell that single system to push its web traffic out one interface and everything else out another. Is there a way of doing this on fbsd or indeed is there a best way of doing this? Thanks in advance, Enno. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 06:38:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6752616A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:38:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from psknet.com (kennedy.psknet.com [63.171.251.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8770943D09 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:38:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: from pool-141-152-69-252.roa.east.verizon.net ([141.152.69.252] helo=tws) by psknet.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1AUoQv-0005xN-Ax for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:38:21 -0500 From: "Troy Settle" To: Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:38:26 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c3c0bd$9ace2920$667bfea9@tws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: WAP Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:38:23 -0000 All, I've had a request for a WAP inteface to email, and I'm lost. We currently use SquirrelMail, but there is no WAP plugin for it yet, and I'm far from qualified to write one. I found a python script called MIR (Mobile IMAP Reader), but it seems to be designed for a finite number of users (usernames/passwords stored in the script). A google search seems to turn up more noise than signal, so I'm wondering what other ISPs are using to provide WAP access to email. TIA, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 540.994.4254 ~ 866.477.5638 Pulaski Chamber 2002 Small Business Of The Year From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 06:58:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6D616A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:58:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlasta.net (wow.atlasta.net [12.129.13.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C35EE43D09 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:58:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from drais@wow.atlasta.net) Received: (qmail 35364 invoked by uid 1068); 12 Dec 2003 14:58:04 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Dec 2003 14:58:04 -0000 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:58:04 -0800 (PST) From: David Raistrick To: Troy Settle In-Reply-To: <000801c3c0bd$9ace2920$667bfea9@tws> Message-ID: References: <000801c3c0bd$9ace2920$667bfea9@tws> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WAP Mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:58:05 -0000 On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Troy Settle wrote: > > All, > > I've had a request for a WAP inteface to email, and I'm lost. We > currently use SquirrelMail, but there is no WAP plugin for it yet, and > I'm far from qualified to write one. http://freshmeat.net/projects/wapmail/?topic_id=34 Might try this. I fiddled with it for a short time. It needs more development...but so does WAP, I think. It seems to be a standard that no one strictly adheres to, again... --- david raistrick drais@atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 07:03:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773BF16A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.vineyard.net (k1.vineyard.net [204.17.195.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E881843D1D for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ericx_lists@vineyard.net) Received: from localhost (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vineyard.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C4191635; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.vineyard.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (king1.vineyard.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 90007-10; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:03:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from vineyard.net (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by mail.vineyard.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452B791632; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:03:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3FD9D86C.5010906@vineyard.net> Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:02:04 -0500 From: "Eric W. Bates" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <1071172916.478.27.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> <1071175781.478.57.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> In-Reply-To: <1071175781.478.57.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS at Vineyard.NET cc: "Arie J. Gerszt" Subject: Re: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:03:17 -0000 We've successfully used dump/restore in this situation. I suspect that dd is faster, tho. In single user: dump 0fB - 10000000 / | (cd /newdisk; restore -rf -) Check the man pages. 10000000 is an arbitrarily large number to make sure that all blocks of the disk in question are read. Steve Bertrand wrote: >>>At the moment the disk works (still). What is the easiest way to >>>copy everything from this disk to another new one (including boot >>>mgmr, mbr) >>> >>>the system has in total 3 disks, but only the first (the broken one) >>>is bootable. >>> >> >>Put in another disk drive temporarily, and since this is only a one time >>thing, you can use dd. Try to eliminate most, if not all access to the >>box: >> >># dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/ad4 >> >>Substitute ad4 with the dev name of the temporary drive. Once dd is >>done, take out the primary disk and replace it with the new clone. Read >>man dd(8) as I don't know off the top of my head what the optimal >>options would be for dd in this case. >> > > > I'm following a thread in questions right now, and I must agree with > some of the posts stating that using dd on the / filesystem could cause > grief if the partition is mounted. You may want to use a fixit floppy or > alternative boot method and then dd the disk to ensure no writes occur > whilst in transfer. > > Steve > > > > >>Steve >> >> >>>thanks, >>>arie >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >>>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >>>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 07:14:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7EA16A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:14:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from complx.LF.net (complx.LF.net [212.9.190.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB22343D35 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:14:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lists@complx.LF.net) Received: from lists by complx.LF.net with local (Exim 4.14) id 1AUozx-000Cq3-Cp; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:14:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:14:33 +0100 From: Kurt Jaeger To: Enno Davids Message-ID: <20031212151433.GH93443@complx.LF.net> References: <20031212134920.GA7426@bl.metva.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031212134920.GA7426@bl.metva.com.au> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: routing according to traffic type... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pi@LF.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:14:41 -0000 Hi! > to two different network providers. One is attached to a cable network and > is used predominantly for a squid to get fast access to the net for web > browsing. The other system is the general gateway with the publically visible > addresses and is used for more general purpose things. (mail, dns, etc) > > So, its time to retire the mail, dns gateway and ideally I'd like to > consolidate the two systems into one. To do this I'd need some way to tell > that single system to push its web traffic out one interface and everything > else out another. Is there a way of doing this on fbsd or indeed is there > a best way of doing this? ipfw, "fwd" command and traffic rules as you need them. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 17 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi@LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 12 08:18:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E55B16A4CE for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk [195.10.242.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F86943D09 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:18:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E3B1548B; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:17:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk ([127.0.0.1])port 10024) with ESMTP id 45598-08; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:17:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lfarr (l-farr.directory.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB4731544F; Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:17:57 +0000 (GMT) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Enno Davids'" , Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:17:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcPAtwasJZRQJaIrRgeH4v193tbdfQAFGH4A In-Reply-To: <20031212134920.GA7426@bl.metva.com.au> Message-Id: <20031212161757.BB4731544F@gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk> X-Virus-Scanned: by Gunfright.epcdirect.co.uk Subject: RE: routing according to traffic type... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:18:03 -0000 Use udp_outgoing_address a.b.c.d tcp_outgoing_address a.b.c.d In your squid.conf Will probably be the easiest way. Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Enno Davids > Sent: 12 December 2003 13:49 > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: routing according to traffic type... > > Guys'n'gals, > > not sure this is the right forum for this, but I suspect there may be > someone here who can point me at the right bit of doco... > > I currently have two systems in my home office each acting as > gateway/firewall > to two different network providers. One is attached to a > cable network and > is used predominantly for a squid to get fast access to the > net for web > browsing. The other system is the general gateway with the > publically visible > addresses and is used for more general purpose things. (mail, > dns, etc) > > So, its time to retire the mail, dns gateway and ideally I'd like to > consolidate the two systems into one. To do this I'd need > some way to tell > that single system to push its web traffic out one interface > and everything > else out another. Is there a way of doing this on fbsd or > indeed is there > a best way of doing this? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Enno. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 10:00:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1B316A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:00:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from web80102.mail.yahoo.com (web80102.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7E8A343D53 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:00:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evans.alan@sbcglobal.net) Message-ID: <20031213180036.64041.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.124.150.210] by web80102.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:00:36 PST Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:00:36 -0800 (PST) From: Alan Evans To: isp@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: replacing an Alcatel 1000 ADSL X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:00:38 -0000 I want to replace my Alcatel 1000 with with something else like a netgear wireless ADSL gear. Can I do this? When I spoke to pacbell they said I could only go for products that they offer. Is this true? Regards Alan From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 11:56:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E30916A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from swisseasy.net (zuerich132.swisseasy.net [80.74.132.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34DE943D32 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:56:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arie@gerszt.ch) Received: (qmail 81096 invoked by uid 2520); 13 Dec 2003 19:56:26 -0000 Received: from arie@gerszt.ch by atlas.swisseasy.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (clamscan: 0.60. spamassassin: 2.55. Clear:. Processed in 0.490602 secs); 13 Dec 2003 19:56:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DELLARIE) (arie@gerszt.ch@212.41.78.179) by zuerich132.swisseasy.net with SMTP; 13 Dec 2003 19:56:26 -0000 From: "Arie J. Gerszt" To: Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: fbsd and php X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 19:56:32 -0000 hi we have a client which needs to have AuthConfig All (also options) for his config. That's more or less ok with us. The problem is, we don't want him to disable php safe mode or php openbasedir settings, which we defined. how do you isp folks solve this? thanks, arie From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 12:21:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AF5816A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:21:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from newcolo.invictanet.co.uk (colossus.invictanet.co.uk [213.48.153.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 523E143D1F for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:21:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from support@invictanet.co.uk) Received: from verna ([80.88.196.129]) (authenticated)hBDIYEt58559; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:34:14 GMT From: "InvictaNet Customer Support" To: "Alan Evans" , "Freebsd Isp List" Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:34:14 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20031213180036.64041.qmail@web80102.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: replacing an Alcatel 1000 ADSL X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 20:21:37 -0000 How is this related to freebsd-isp? Martyn Routley -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Alan Evans Sent: 13 December 2003 18:01 To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: replacing an Alcatel 1000 ADSL I want to replace my Alcatel 1000 with with something else like a netgear wireless ADSL gear. Can I do this? When I spoke to pacbell they said I could only go for products that they offer. Is this true? Regards Alan _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the http://www.anti84787.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 13:25:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303AD16A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:25:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.day-light.net (day-light.net [64.37.72.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375D743D37 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:25:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: from w1 (gabriel.day-light.net [216.162.118.203]) by mail.day-light.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 57CF535258; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:25:08 -0600 (CST) From: "John Brooks" To: "'Arie J. Gerszt'" , Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:25:07 -0600 Message-ID: <004401c3c1bf$9542c080$c905010a@daylight.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: fbsd and php X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: john@day-light.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:25:10 -0000 in httpd.conf, set up the virtual host container with the relevant "php_admin_flag" and "php_admin_values" that you want. user will not be able to change them then. -- John Brooks john@day-light.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Arie J. Gerszt Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:57 PM To: isp@freebsd.org Subject: fbsd and php hi we have a client which needs to have AuthConfig All (also options) for his config. That's more or less ok with us. The problem is, we don't want him to disable php safe mode or php openbasedir settings, which we defined. how do you isp folks solve this? thanks, arie _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 18:50:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1F6016A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.hotbox.ru (smtp.hotbox.ru [80.68.244.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B3E43D51 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:49:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from voytovich_slava@land.ru) Received: from slava (al-core.kr.ru [80.255.139.162]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.hotbox.ru (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBE2m1V6049495; Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:48:04 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from voytovich_slava@land.ru) X-AntiVirus: Checked by Dr.Web (http://www.drweb.net) Message-ID: <001001c3c1ed$0617f870$0a0a000a@slava> From: "Viacheslav Voytovich" To: "Steve Bertrand" References: <1071172916.478.27.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> <1071175781.478.57.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:50:14 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1081 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1081 cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:50:19 -0000 Hi ! Does it need that the disks have the same geometry? Slava ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Bertrand" To: "Arie J. Gerszt" Cc: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:49 AM Subject: Re: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) > > > At the moment the disk works (still). What is the easiest way to > > > copy everything from this disk to another new one (including boot > > > mgmr, mbr) > > > > > > the system has in total 3 disks, but only the first (the broken one) > > > is bootable. > > > > > > > Put in another disk drive temporarily, and since this is only a one time > > thing, you can use dd. Try to eliminate most, if not all access to the > > box: > > > > # dd if=/dev/ad0 of=/dev/ad4 > > > > Substitute ad4 with the dev name of the temporary drive. Once dd is > > done, take out the primary disk and replace it with the new clone. Read > > man dd(8) as I don't know off the top of my head what the optimal > > options would be for dd in this case. > > > > I'm following a thread in questions right now, and I must agree with > some of the posts stating that using dd on the / filesystem could cause > grief if the partition is mounted. You may want to use a fixit floppy or > alternative boot method and then dd the disk to ensure no writes occur > whilst in transfer. > > Steve > > > > > Steve > > > > > thanks, > > > arie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- > Steve Bertrand > President/CTO, > Northumberland Network Services > > t: 905.352.2688 > w: www.northnetworks.ca > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 21:43:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86A916A4CE for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:43:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.schmut.com (dsl092-049-002.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.49.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 89F7043D31 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:43:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mario@houseofsites.net) Received: (qmail 66910 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 2003 05:44:46 -0000 Received: from snoopy.schmut.com (HELO schmut.com) (192.168.23.1) by snoopy.schmut.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2003 05:44:46 -0000 Received: from 192.168.23.91 (SquirrelMail authenticated user mario@schmut.com) by mail.schmut.com with HTTP; Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:44:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43427.192.168.23.91.1071380686.squirrel@mail.schmut.com> Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:44:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Mario Theodoridis" To: In-Reply-To: <001001c3c1ed$0617f870$0a0a000a@slava> References: <1071172916.478.27.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> <1071175781.478.57.camel@ptp.northnetworks.ca> <001001c3c1ed$0617f870$0a0a000a@slava> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: iaccounts@northnetworks.ca Subject: Re: disk error / failure: need help! (smart failure predicted) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario@houseofsites.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 05:43:31 -0000 > Hi ! > > Does it need that the disks have the same geometry? > > Slava > i don't know about dd. As for dump, i've used it locally as well as remotely to back up entire partitions and as long as the target partition, which you need to format before hand, is big enough for the actual data, i've never had problems. For me this usually looks like this: [root@quack ~]#mount /dev/adwhatever /mountpoint [root@quack ~]#cd /mountpoint [root@quack /mountpoint]#dump 0f - / | restore -rf - hope it helps :) mario;> - - - - - - - - House Of Sites - - - - - - - - Web Design :: Programming :: Hosting :: Maintenance Web site: http://www.HouseOfSites.net Email: mario@HouseOfSites.net Tel: 415-242-3376 ---------------------------------------------------- Do you schmut!? http://www.schmut.com