From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 5 0:10:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E6A37B401; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [216.187.87.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBF643EB2; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 53E23AE4E6; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2002-12-15 - 2003-01-04 Message-Id: <20030105081001.53E23AE4E6@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 5 21:11:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EACA37B401; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from NS-1.marinorg.net (marin.org [199.88.87.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD59C43EE1; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:11:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jamieclarcksong@yahoo.com) Received: from NS-1.marinorg.net ([127.0.0.1]) by NS-1.marinorg.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-68572U3000L300S0V35) with SMTP id net; Sun, 5 Jan 2003 09:57:58 -0800 Received: from 209.131.232.251 by NS-1.marinorg.net (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Sun, 05 Jan 2003 09:57:58 -0800 From: jamieclarcksong@yahoo.com Reply-To: jamieclarcksong@yahoo.com To: jamieclarcksong@yahoo.com Subject: Examples of School Web Sites Message-Id: <20030106051117.DD59C43EE1@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:11:17 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Found some other school web sites that we may want to compare ours too! http://bearcat.ubly.k12.mi.us/links/links.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 6 11:17:23 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC85237B405; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:17:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from chat.ru (ppp-03-108-118.ic.ru [194.84.108.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CBC7743EC5; Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:17:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ehiiti@ctsnet.ru) From: misel Subject: Коммерческое предложение EHIITITTRS Organization: рррррррррррррррр Reply-To: ehiiti@ctsnet.ru X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:19:42 +0300 Message-Id: <20030106191709.CBC7743EC5@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Уважаемые Господа ! Мы имеем честь поздравить Вас с Новым Годом и Рождеством. Желаем Вам и Вашим близким Здоровья и Удачи! ООО "Юг-Промснаб" предлагает более 6000 наименований оборудования заводов России и стран ближнего зарубежья. Сотрудничество с ООО .Юг-Промснаб. поможет Вам обеспечить свое предприятие: . трубопроводной запорной арматурой (задвижками, вентилями, кранами, клапанами: обратными, предохранительными, регулирующими, затворами и др.); . электродвигателями (общепромышленными, крановыми, взрывозащищенными); . котлами (паровыми, водогрейными, газовыми, бытовыми); . вентиляторами (осевыми, крышными, радиальными); . воздушно-тепловыми установками; . подогревателями (водоводяными, пароводяными); . насосами (консольными, моноблочными, для жидкостей с посторонними включениями, центробежными, секционными, вихревыми-бензиновыми, конденсатными, погружными, фекальными, сетевыми типа СЭ, питательными типа ПЭ, ЦН, химическими и др.); . счетчиками (водяными, газовыми, тепла); . муфтами кабельными; . кран-балками; . электроприводами, отводами, фланцами, переходами, тройниками и др; . газовое оборудование (газ природный/сжиженный) в т.ч. оборудование для газонаполнительных станций. 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Доватора, 156/2 тел.: (863-2) 20-90-70, 48-70-90, тел/факс: (863-2) 20-90-80 e-mail: ugpromsnab@ctsnet.ru www.ugpromsnab.rostov-don.ru [E136H115I92I81T95I76T84T86R86S83I79K78K76R85H73M77Z93Z92] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 7 2:59: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CCA037B401; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from chat.ru (ppp-03-108-119.ic.ru [194.84.108.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CA83A43ED1; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 02:58:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cvroxo@ctsnet.ru) From: misel Subject: Коммерческое предложение CVROXOJPYT Organization: рррррррррррррррр Reply-To: cvroxo@ctsnet.ru X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:01:27 +0300 Message-Id: <20030107105854.CA83A43ED1@mx1.FreeBSD.org> To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Уважаемые Господа ! Мы имеем честь поздравить Вас с Новым Годом и Рождеством. Желаем Вам и Вашим близким Здоровья и Удачи! ООО "Юг-Промснаб" предлагает более 6000 наименований оборудования заводов России и стран ближнего зарубежья. Сотрудничество с ООО .Юг-Промснаб. поможет Вам обеспечить свое предприятие: . трубопроводной запорной арматурой (задвижками, вентилями, кранами, клапанами: обратными, предохранительными, регулирующими, затворами и др.); . электродвигателями (общепромышленными, крановыми, взрывозащищенными); . котлами (паровыми, водогрейными, газовыми, бытовыми); . вентиляторами (осевыми, крышными, радиальными); . воздушно-тепловыми установками; . подогревателями (водоводяными, пароводяными); . насосами (консольными, моноблочными, для жидкостей с посторонними включениями, центробежными, секционными, вихревыми-бензиновыми, конденсатными, погружными, фекальными, сетевыми типа СЭ, питательными типа ПЭ, ЦН, химическими и др.); . счетчиками (водяными, газовыми, тепла); . муфтами кабельными; . кран-балками; . электроприводами, отводами, фланцами, переходами, тройниками и др; . газовое оборудование (газ природный/сжиженный) в т.ч. оборудование для газонаполнительных станций. ООО .Юг-Промснаб. имеет продукцию на складе и работает под заказ на поставку от одной единицы оборудования до полной комплектации вновь строящихся и реконструируемых объектов. Приглашаем Вас к сотрудничеству и будем рады помочь Вам в решении Ваших проблем. Наш адрес: 344090, г. Ростов-на-Дону, Западная промзона, база .Агропромсервис. ул. 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Message-ID: <004501c2b83b$68d4c130$025081d8@alanjoptbl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Disposition-Notification-To: "Alan Jones" Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alan Jones Slope Indicator ----------------------------------- Durham Geo - Slope Indicator Tel: 800-663-2374 Fax: 604-276-0190 ajones@slope.com www.slopeindicator.com ----------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 9 18:16:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A88E37B401 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from debaser.madridwireless.net (26.Red-80-34-212.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.34.212.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 850FF43F18 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:16:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from one-@madridwireless.net) Received: from irie.one-land.geored.org (82.Red-80-33-65.pooles.rima-tde.net [80.33.65.82]) by debaser.madridwireless.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C548BBF1 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:16:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 03:16:16 +0100 From: Victor Sanchez To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030110031616.359a7dcc.one-@madridwireless.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 9 18:20:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A1137B401 for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:20:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from server1.electrosoftsolutions.com (tpconnolly58.dsl.frii.net [216.17.144.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F2A43E4A for ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tconnolly@electrosoftsolutions.com) Received: by server1.electrosoftsolutions.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:20:20 -0700 Message-ID: <71ED4DBF1EA19A45A3765CA9548BE30A2227@server1.electrosoftsolutions.com> From: Thomas Connolly To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:20:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nope, can't do it! he he he -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Victor Sanchez Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 7:16 PM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: subscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 10 10:25:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EA9037B401; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from arkroyal.cnchost.com (arkroyal.concentric.net [207.155.252.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D646743F5B; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:25:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gungoo@chulocentral.com) Received: (root@localhost) by arkroyal.cnchost.com id NAA22681; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:25:43 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.14] Message-ID: <200301101825.NAA22681@arkroyal.cnchost.com> From: Geury Peralta To: , Reply-To: gperal01@utopia.poly.edu Subject: sound and pcm Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:25:43 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 ReplyTo: gperal01@utopia.poly.edu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I look through the support and couldn't quite fix it. I'm having the following problem setting up my sound card. I added: -->device pcm to the kernel and compiled. Looking through dmesg, I get this: -->pcm0: port 0xdc00-0xdc3f irq 9 at device 9.0 on pci0 -->pcm0: AC97 reset timed out.pcm0: ac97 codec invalid or not present (id == 0) -->device_probe_and_attach: pcm0 attach returned 6 checking /dev/sndstat, I get this: -->FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) -->Installed devices: Following the guide from the handbook, this message translate to: -->The I/O port is not set correctly. So I have no mixer or anything else, where do I fix this problem? __________________________________________________ Get www.yourwebsiteaddress.com with XO Web Site Hosting. http://www.xo.com/hosting2 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 10 19:10: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D6B37B401 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE4743F5F for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0B3A4NS030052 for ; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0B3A4A1030050 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 19:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200301110310.h0B3A4A1030050@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message