From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 19 0:10: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5484337B401; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [216.187.87.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1736243EB2; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C20B2AE49F; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2002-12-29 - 2003-01-18 Message-Id: <20030119081001.C20B2AE49F@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 7-Jan : Tell your story, help others Tell your story, help others http://freebsddiary.org/tell-your-story.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 19 4:59: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962F437B401 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 04:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (adsl-b3-27-122.telepac.pt [213.13.27.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B01543F7C for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 04:58:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Kara_764_Smith_432eytl@hotmail.com) Message-ID: <001211e0ce08$aab15764$23612333@gquygvo.bva> From: To: Kara_764_Smith_432@hotmail.com Subject: Hello !! 2919-4 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:51:43 -0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. 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Onder single dertigers is "speeddating" een trend. Het snelle daten is een vrolijke en spannende manier om in korte tijd veel mensen te ontmoeten. First Seconds organiseert deze vorm van kennismaken voor alleenstaanden van begin 40 tot eind 50. In Hotel New York te Rotterdam op 23 februari zullen 25 dames 25 heren ontmoeten. Gedurende enkele minuten knopen zij een gesprekje aan, stellen wat vragen, beslissen of ze hun gespreksparter nog eens willen ontmoeten en gaan naar de volgende persoon. Aan het einde van de middag geeft men aan First Seconds door wie men leuk genoeg vindt voor een vervolg. Als er een 'match' is, ontvangen deelnemers de volgende dag het e-mailadres of telefoonnummer van de andere partij. Interesse in een vrolijk en spannend middagje uit? Bezoek onze site: http://www.firstseconds.nl Met vriendelijke groet, First Seconds To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sun Jan 19 11: 3:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0990437B401 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:03:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from txsmtp02.texas.rr.com (smtp2.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E3F43F18 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:03:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from foxbsd@gristle.to) Received: from oct.gristle.to (cs242730-125.austin.rr.com [24.27.30.125]) by txsmtp02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0JJ0x5E007491 for ; Sun, 19 Jan 2003 14:01:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20030119125612.022600a0@pop-server.austin.rr.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 12:57:58 -0600 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG From: Fox Subject: Free BSD on the VIA EPIA-800 In-Reply-To: <20030119081001.C20B2AE49F@nezlok.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Has anyone successfully run FreeBSD on the VIA EPIA-800, and get the sound to work? 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I can get everything else working but not the GUI. Can anyone help me? Please reply to ajrobertsx@yahoo.com Thanks!! Andy __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 20 15:30:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3DDB37B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from tautology.org (evrtwa1-ar13-4-33-070-190.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.33.70.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DEC43ED8 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:30:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sarah@ironicallyyours.org) Received: from tautology.org (tautology.org [127.0.0.1]) by tautology.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0KNUZg8037824; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:30:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sarah@ironicallyyours.org) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:30:35 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Woolley X-X-Sender: sarah@tautology.org To: Andy Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SV24 In-Reply-To: <20030120220623.95127.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030120152948.U36967-100000@tautology.org> References: <20030120220623.95127.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org could you be more specific? What exactly happens (or doesn't happen)? On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Andy wrote: > Help, > > I have 2 SV24's from spacewalker that I can't get Xfree86 to work on. I > can get everything else working but not the GUI. > > Can anyone help me? > > Please reply to ajrobertsx@yahoo.com > > Thanks!! > > Andy > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 20 15:39:13 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5957437B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:39:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au [136.186.229.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6930543EB2 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:39:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pvdb@pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (localhost.caia.swin.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0KNcNDu039962 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:38:23 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pvdb@pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au) Received: (from pvdb@localhost) by pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0KNcMmO039961 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:38:22 +1100 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: paul van den bergen To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SV24 Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:38:22 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030120220623.95127.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030120220623.95127.qmail@web13901.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301211038.22727.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi. what have you tried? I haven't really had a lot of experience, but where I have had sucess it = has=20 been by knowing exaclty what video card and monitor I have and what modes= and=20 frequency ranges they support. some issues with meeces, never with keybo= ard=20 (unless you consider using keycaps to activate meta keys... er... which I= =20 don't think I got working anyway, so forget I said anything) BTW, this is all through /stand/sysinstall, post configure, Xfree86 and t= hen=20 do desktop and select your windows manager. (In my case, KDE, but YMMV). On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:06 am, Andy wrote: > Help, > > I have 2 SV24's from spacewalker that I can't get Xfree86 to work on. I > can get everything else working but not the GUI. > > Can anyone help me? > > Please reply to ajrobertsx@yahoo.com > > Thanks!! > > Andy > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message --=20 Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au IM:bulwynkl2002 would somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 20 20:34:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BECF37B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au [136.186.229.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D53A43E4A for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 20:34:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pvdb@pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (localhost.caia.swin.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0L4XmDu040786 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:33:48 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pvdb@pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au) Received: (from pvdb@localhost) by pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0L4Xlt0040785 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:33:47 +1100 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: paul van den bergen To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: OT: general security question... Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:33:47 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301211533.47670.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, not a freebsd question, but this is as good a place to ask as any when no= =20 other obvious forum presents to me... if a security flaw were discovered in a piece of networking hardware, whe= re=20 would one go to report it for confirmation (e.g. by those who know about=20 these things and can assess it as being an authoritive security hole)? --=20 Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au IM:bulwynkl2002 would somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 20 22:40:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3334737B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:40:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from tautology.org (evrtwa1-ar13-4-33-070-190.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.33.70.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1D943F13 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:40:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sarah@ironicallyyours.org) Received: from tautology.org (tautology.org [127.0.0.1]) by tautology.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0L6e9g8049692; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:40:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sarah@ironicallyyours.org) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:40:09 -0800 (PST) From: Sarah Woolley X-X-Sender: sarah@tautology.org To: paul van den bergen Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OT: general security question... In-Reply-To: <200301211533.47670.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030120223813.M49378-100000@tautology.org> References: <200301211533.47670.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I might try freebsd-security. Check the list at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-MAIL On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, paul van den bergen wrote: > Hi all, > > not a freebsd question, but this is as good a place to ask as any when no > other obvious forum presents to me... > > if a security flaw were discovered in a piece of networking hardware, where > would one go to report it for confirmation (e.g. by those who know about > these things and can assess it as being an authoritive security hole)? > > > > -- > Dr Paul van den Bergen > Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures > caia.swin.edu.au > pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au > IM:bulwynkl2002 > would somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 20 22:44:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A11D37B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au [136.186.229.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A8D543EB2 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 22:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pvdb@pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au) Received: from pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (localhost.caia.swin.edu.au [127.0.0.1]) by pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0L6hsDu041176; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:43:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pvdb@pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au) Received: by pvdbergen.caia.swin.edu.au (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0L6hq9T041175; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:43:52 +1100 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: paul van den bergen To: Sarah Woolley Subject: freebsd-security Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:43:52 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200301211743.52289.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org thanks for the hint, but it is not a bsd related piece of hardware... mor= es=20 the pity... thus the question is way off topic.. thanks anyway... further suggestions appreciated. --=20 Dr Paul van den Bergen Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures caia.swin.edu.au pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au IM:bulwynkl2002 would somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 21 8:14:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3CC37B401 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from groucho.candhsoftware.com (www.candhsoftware.com [67.41.24.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E5D43EB2 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from awc@groucho.candhsoftware.com) Received: from localhost (awc@localhost) by groucho.candhsoftware.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h0LGEoc51335; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:14:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from awc@groucho.candhsoftware.com) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:14:50 -0700 (MST) From: Andy Clements To: paul van den bergen Cc: Subject: Re: OT: general security question... In-Reply-To: <200301211533.47670.pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au> Message-ID: <20030121090006.D51314-100000@groucho.candhsoftware.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul, The first thing I would try is the company's web-site where the hardware orginated from. Hopefully, they are experts with their own product and would like to know of any flaws that originate from their product - they may have already found it and devised a solution for said product. It seems that the medium most chose to expose flaws of other people's product is to write a in-depth detailed treatise on the subject, post it to your website and then post messages to various but related newsgroups of the flaw that you have found. This path of action has a tendancity to make the producers of the product very mad at the author of the article, however, some think it also has the effect of forcing the company to fix the flaw as quickly as possible, now that the article is in front of public eyes. I did a search on google for network hardware security newsgroups and found a few. I would advise you to do the same and pick the appropriate one. Plus, there is always slashdot. --Andy Andy Clements Chief Engineer C & H Software LLC awc@candhsoftware.com On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, paul van den bergen wrote: > Hi all, > > not a freebsd question, but this is as good a place to ask as any when no > other obvious forum presents to me... > > if a security flaw were discovered in a piece of networking hardware, where > would one go to report it for confirmation (e.g. by those who know about > these things and can assess it as being an authoritive security hole)? > > > > -- > Dr Paul van den Bergen > Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures > caia.swin.edu.au > pvandenbergen@swin.edu.au > IM:bulwynkl2002 > would somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way? > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 21 17:31:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C96CB37B40B for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:31:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from hamlet.vianet-llc.com (wsip68-15-188-205.ph.ph.cox.net [68.15.188.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49FDF43EB2 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from larrence@hamlet.vianet-llc.com) Received: (qmail 28926 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jan 2003 00:57:05 -0000 Date: 22 Jan 2003 00:57:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20030122005705.28925.qmail@hamlet.vianet-llc.com> To: doglovers@puppyfind.com Subject: Find or List a Puppy Online! 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Thanks for any help Eugene To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 2: 5:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB94037B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:05:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B21643E4A for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:05:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18bHlS-0001kq-00; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:05:46 +0100 Received: from [80.133.97.254] (helo=moritz.alleswirdgruener) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18bHlS-0005BS-00; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:05:46 +0100 Received: from moritz.alleswirdgruener (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moritz.alleswirdgruener (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0M9Z75Q000300; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:35:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from uzs106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de) Received: from localhost (uzs106@localhost) by moritz.alleswirdgruener (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h0M9Hhpf000261; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:17:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:17:43 +0100 (CET) From: Heiko Recktenwald X-Sender: uzs106@localhost To: Eugene Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: setting up a mail server In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030122073312.00b13640@mail.btinternet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I am a 1st year uni student at home i have a couple of pc's. What i would > like to do is to set up a pc as a gateway and a mail server. Basically i > would like my server to collect the mail from my ISP's various accounts and > store them on my server. from there i would like any of my other pc's to fetchmail and popper for the clients. > access the email from any email client but still keep the mail on the > server until i choose to delete it. the clients settings. its all in the client. good luck! H. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 6:48:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA9437B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:48:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunlight.wichita.edu (SUNLIGHT.WICHITA.EDU [156.26.1.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEDF43EB2 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:48:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from honors@wichita.edu) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sunlight.wichita.edu by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.1 #30593) id <0H9400F01EH677@sunlight.wichita.edu> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:48:42 -0600 (CST) Received: from honors_linux ([156.26.48.37]) by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.1 #30593) with ESMTP id <0H9400E9XEH6ZP@sunlight.wichita.edu> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:48:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:57:28 -0600 From: Daniel Callahan Subject: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: honors@wichita.edu Message-id: <200301220857.28346.honors@wichita.edu> Organization: WSU Emory Lindquist Honors Program MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Why on Earth is this spam getting sent to this mailing list & why isn't=20 anything being done about it? (No, it wasn't sent by puppyfind.com & I'm on so such mailing list. This= is=20 the 3rd piece of spam I've gotten from the FreeBSD mailing list, and they= 've=20 all looked similar.) Daniel. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Find or List a Puppy Online! 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Visit PuppyFind.com now: http://www.PuppyFind.com PuppyFind.com support@puppyfind.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------- --=20 Daniel Callahan Administrative Assistant, WSU Honors Program Voice:=09(316) 978-3375 Fax:=09(316) 978-3351 http://webs.wichita.edu/elhp 6,000+ ebooks free at http://www.gutenberg.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 8: 1: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B147A37B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:01:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741B243ED8 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:01:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE36C29E; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:00:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2A0632FDCCD; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:00:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 17:00:55 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Daniel Callahan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! Message-ID: <20030122160055.GA280@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Callahan , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org References: <200301220857.28346.honors@wichita.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301220857.28346.honors@wichita.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # honors@wichita.edu / 2003-01-22 08:57:28 -0600: > Why on Earth is this spam getting sent to this mailing list & why isn't > anything being done about it? > > (No, it wasn't sent by puppyfind.com & I'm on so such mailing list. This is > the 3rd piece of spam I've gotten from the FreeBSD mailing list, and they've > all looked similar.) Hi Daniel, thanks so much for quoting the whole spam, I'm sure no one on the list had enough of it the first time it went through. *Very* smart! Anyway, last time I heard Kris speak on this subject he said IIRC mx1.freebsd.org rejects one spam a second. That's obviously nothing, so maybe you have a method of blacklisting new spam sources before they spam for the first time? That would be really great! I'm all ears. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 8:25:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44E137B406 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunlight.wichita.edu (SUNLIGHT.WICHITA.EDU [156.26.1.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFCB43F18 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:25:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from honors@wichita.edu) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sunlight.wichita.edu by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.1 #30593) id <0H9400K01IY5ZI@sunlight.wichita.edu> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:25:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from honors_linux ([156.26.48.37]) by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.1 #30593) with ESMTP id <0H9400KEBIY5NZ@sunlight.wichita.edu>; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:25:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:34:03 -0600 From: Daniel Callahan Subject: Re: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! In-reply-to: <20030122160055.GA280@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> To: Roman Neuhauser Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: honors@wichita.edu Message-id: <200301221034.03049.honors@wichita.edu> Organization: WSU Emory Lindquist Honors Program MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200301220857.28346.honors@wichita.edu> <20030122160055.GA280@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 22 January 2003 10:00, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > # honors@wichita.edu / 2003-01-22 08:57:28 -0600: > > Why on Earth is this spam getting sent to this mailing list & why isn= 't > > anything being done about it? > > > > (No, it wasn't sent by puppyfind.com & I'm on so such mailing list. = This > > is the 3rd piece of spam I've gotten from the FreeBSD mailing list, a= nd > > they've all looked similar.) > > Hi Daniel, > > thanks so much for quoting the whole spam, I'm sure no one on the > list had enough of it the first time it went through. *Very* smart! > > Anyway, last time I heard Kris speak on this subject he said IIRC > mx1.freebsd.org rejects one spam a second. That's obviously nothing= , > so maybe you have a method of blacklisting new spam sources before > they spam for the first time? That would be really great! I'm all > ears. How about you block the spam with your ego? Daniel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 8:27:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE9FE37B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:27:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from sunlight.wichita.edu (SUNLIGHT.WICHITA.EDU [156.26.1.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6FD43F75 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:27:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from honors@wichita.edu) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.sunlight.wichita.edu by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.1 #30593) id <0H9400L01J204X@sunlight.wichita.edu> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:27:37 -0600 (CST) Received: from honors_linux ([156.26.48.37]) by sunlight.wichita.edu (PMDF V6.1 #30593) with ESMTP id <0H9400KM2J20NZ@sunlight.wichita.edu>; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:27:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:36:22 -0600 From: Daniel Callahan Subject: Re: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! In-reply-to: <20030122160055.GA280@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> To: Roman Neuhauser Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: honors@wichita.edu Message-id: <200301221036.22756.honors@wichita.edu> Organization: WSU Emory Lindquist Honors Program MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200301220857.28346.honors@wichita.edu> <20030122160055.GA280@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday 22 January 2003 10:00, Roman Neuhauser wrote: > so maybe you have a method of blacklisting new spam sources before > they spam for the first time? That would be really great! I'm all > ears. Here's a solution: find out what the mplayer and Red Hat lists do. Thei= r=20 lists don't have this problem. Daniel. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 9:29: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8853037B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 937D243EB2 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A944297; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:28:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 94D342FDD14; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:28:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:28:51 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Daniel Callahan Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! Message-ID: <20030122172851.GS86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Daniel Callahan , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org References: <200301220857.28346.honors@wichita.edu> <20030122160055.GA280@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <200301221034.03049.honors@wichita.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200301221034.03049.honors@wichita.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # honors@wichita.edu / 2003-01-22 10:34:03 -0600: > > # honors@wichita.edu / 2003-01-22 08:57:28 -0600: > > > Why on Earth is this spam getting sent to this mailing list & why isn't > > > anything being done about it? [the rest of the bitching, the whole spam, and the following LART snipped] > How about you block the spam with your ego? Full-quotes from people with egos to fragile to handle trimming quoted material will achieve the goal by saturating the freebsd.org's bandwidth, I'm sure. anyway, this is off topic for the list; you should have sent your whining to postmaster@freebsd.org if anywhere at all. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 9:58:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0ECC37B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:58:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from deimos.frii.net (deimos.frii.com [216.17.128.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E193B43EB2 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:58:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tpconnolly@frii.com) Received: from tconnolly (g8denver.org [207.109.48.8] (may be forged)) by deimos.frii.net (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0MHwojR025591; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:58:50 -0700 (MST) Reply-To: From: "Thomas Connolly" To: "'Daniel Callahan'" Cc: Subject: RE: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:58:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c2c23f$eb42d8b0$5608a8c0@ceesi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <20030122172851.GS86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well said! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Roman Neuhauser Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 10:29 AM To: Daniel Callahan Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Fwd: Find or List a Puppy Online! # honors@wichita.edu / 2003-01-22 10:34:03 -0600: > > # honors@wichita.edu / 2003-01-22 08:57:28 -0600: > > > Why on Earth is this spam getting sent to this mailing list & why isn't > > > anything being done about it? [the rest of the bitching, the whole spam, and the following LART snipped] > How about you block the spam with your ego? Full-quotes from people with egos to fragile to handle trimming quoted material will achieve the goal by saturating the freebsd.org's bandwidth, I'm sure. anyway, this is off topic for the list; you should have sent your whining to postmaster@freebsd.org if anywhere at all. -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 22 9:59:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C8037B401 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from pd2mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165D043ED8 for ; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:59:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cyschow@shaw.ca) Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H94004O6N7ZI5@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from pn2ml3so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml3so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.147]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 12 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H9400AD3N7ZD9@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (MST) Received: from mail.peyto.ca (h68-147-174-254.cg.shawcable.net [68.147.174.254]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with SMTP id <0H940074EN7YFY@l-daemon> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:57:35 -0700 (MST) Received: (qmail 34745 invoked from network); Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:03:15 +0000 Received: from firewall.peyto.ca (HELO SAMCHOW2) (192.168.1.1) by homeserver.peyto.ca with SMTP; Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:03:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:01:11 -0700 From: Samuel Chow Subject: Re: setting up a mail server To: Heiko Recktenwald , Eugene Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <009501c2c240$3f75b790$8142412f@SAMCHOW2> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heiko Recktenwald" To: "Eugene" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 2:17 AM Subject: Re: setting up a mail server > > I am a 1st year uni student at home i have a couple of pc's. What i would > > like to do is to set up a pc as a gateway and a mail server. Basically i > > would like my server to collect the mail from my ISP's various accounts and > > store them on my server. from there i would like any of my other pc's to > > fetchmail and popper for the clients. Instead of popper, you may want to use an IMAP server. The IMAP server stores mail and allow client to access it anywhere. --- Samuel Chow cyschow@shaw.ca This message is displayed using recycled electrons. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 23 23:23:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E3A37B401 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:23:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from web41106.mail.yahoo.com (web41106.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 797A843F13 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:23:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from decrock@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.49.67.130] by web41106.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:23:24 PST Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Benjamin Smith To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heya. I'm definitely a newbt. It took me two (full) days to get FreeBSD running over FTP and I almost took the Good Lord's name in vain regarding your OS. However, it works now, somewhat, and I'm appreciative, seeing the hefty sack of potential in the tidy package. I'm a Unix virgin too, and my fingers are short and stubby, but I do have one skill. If you ever need any contributions in Flash, that's my game. Splash, nav, what have you. If you have something you need shinied up I'd be glad to donate an idle hour or ten. Now back to the hair-pulling. Thanks much, again. bnjmnb __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Thu Jan 23 23:37:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF2F37B401 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from server1.electrosoftsolutions.com (tpconnolly58.dsl.frii.net [216.17.144.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD63843ED8 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:37:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tconnolly@electrosoftsolutions.com) Received: by server1.electrosoftsolutions.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:37:08 -0700 Message-ID: <71ED4DBF1EA19A45A3765CA9548BE30A2234@server1.electrosoftsolutions.com> From: Thomas Connolly To: Benjamin Smith , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:37:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Welcome to the list and Unix. There is a relatively steep learning curve at first, but you can do ANYTHING in Unix! After I got up and running, I've replaced several MS Windows systems with FreeBSD. I also use a FreeBSD as a primary domain controller. Open Source rocks! -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Benjamin Smith Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:23 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Heya. I'm definitely a newbt. It took me two (full) days to get FreeBSD running over FTP and I almost took the Good Lord's name in vain regarding your OS. However, it works now, somewhat, and I'm appreciative, seeing the hefty sack of potential in the tidy package. I'm a Unix virgin too, and my fingers are short and stubby, but I do have one skill. If you ever need any contributions in Flash, that's my game. Splash, nav, what have you. If you have something you need shinied up I'd be glad to donate an idle hour or ten. Now back to the hair-pulling. Thanks much, again. bnjmnb __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 3:32:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD2A37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B4E843EB2 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 03:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2C069; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:32:35 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BD82D2FDC26; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:32:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:32:34 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: Benjamin Smith Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <20030124113234.GH86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: Benjamin Smith , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org References: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # decrock@yahoo.com / 2003-01-23 23:23:24 -0800: > Heya. I'm definitely a newbt. It took me two (full) days to get > FreeBSD running over FTP and I almost took the Good Lord's name in > vain regarding your OS. However, it works now, somewhat, and > I'm appreciative, seeing the hefty sack of potential in the tidy > package. as someone else wrote either here or in questions@ a few days ago: you will do yourself a favor if you consider this installation a throwaway. that way you won't be scared of breaking anything, and then you won't be scared to explore new stuff either. the more you break it in the beginning the less you'll break it in the future. > Now back to the hair-pulling. yeah, I remember the adrenaline rush when I saw the os boot from the cd for the first time. I miss it. :) -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 4:11:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB6D37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:11:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.ovis.net (ns1.ovis.net [207.0.147.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6F543F43 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 04:11:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chromexa@ovis.net) Received: from ovis.net (s39.pm5.ovis.net [207.0.147.105]) by ns1.ovis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4423ACA; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:11:09 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3E312E2C.81116287@ovis.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:14:36 +0000 From: Steve Kudlak Reply-To: chromexa@ovis.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD ezn/58/n (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebasd newbies Subject: Re: your mail+ Building and Breaking and all that... References: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> <20030124113234.GH86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Roman Neuhauser wrote: > # decrock@yahoo.com / 2003-01-23 23:23:24 -0800: > > Heya. I'm definitely a newbt. It took me two (full) days to get > > FreeBSD running over FTP and I almost took the Good Lord's name in > > vain regarding your OS. However, it works now, somewhat, and > > I'm appreciative, seeing the hefty sack of potential in the tidy > > package. > > as someone else wrote either here or in questions@ a few days ago: > you will do yourself a favor if you consider this installation a > throwaway. that way you won't be scared of breaking anything, and > then you won't be scared to explore new stuff either. the more you > break it in the beginning the less you'll break it in the future. > > > Now back to the hair-pulling. > > yeah, I remember the adrenaline rush when I saw the os boot from the > cd for the first time. I miss it. :) > > -- > If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore > your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message That is generally good advice. If one has an extra box around it is nice to bring things up on it and have an experimental box as opposed to the box one does one's work on. Someday I will be able to practice my own advice. ;) The way *BSD lists are organized...well this seems to be the best place to ask this. It is a little too general for hackers. Has anyone used TeX a lot under *BSD or any other nice typesetting system? Has anyone brought up things like the POV ray tracing program and got it to do interesting things. I ask this because my current grumble with BSD, Linux etc. is the difficulty of finding good multimedia and graphic art production tools for them. Anyone know of any tales of anybody' good homebrew setup? Like has anyone thrown together a zine or a book on a BSD system and what did they use. Also I would love to hear any tales of anyone who exploited the underlying BSD-ness of the new MAC OS. Though I admit I can not afford a MAC hence my graphic arts with PCs running *BSD or that other operating system;) Like under the MAC OS has anyone actually run cron and at jobs and the like and used the unique features that *NIX operating systems have. Have Fun, Sends Steve P.S. Giggle it has been awhile since I have been a newbie...;) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 7: 4:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9049637B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:04:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC80A43F18 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:04:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 22722 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2003 15:01:09 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.12) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 24 Jan 2003 15:01:09 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-12.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 15:04:53 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:09:14 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Subject: Okay, what am I doing wrong here Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey all...I'm a real newbie and am trying to install FreeBSD on my server. I've made 2 installs, which go well, then I makeworld, recompile the kernel and buildworld install and run the mergmanager, just like it says to do in chapter 21. Follow it step by step... Both times it blows up...same error. init: can't exec getty '/usr/libexec/getty' for port /dev/ttyv(all the ports for the terminal windows) No such file or directory and it's a loop what am I doing wrong? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 9: 8:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BDD37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:08:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.bellavista.cz (mail.bellavista.cz [62.168.44.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7380E43F43 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:08:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from neuhauser@bellavista.cz) Received: from freepuppy.bellavista.cz (freepuppy.bellavista.cz [10.0.0.10]) by mail.bellavista.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6EB69; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:08:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by freepuppy.bellavista.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9D6F52FDC6D; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:08:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:08:13 +0100 From: Roman Neuhauser To: WolfRyder Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here Message-ID: <20030124170813.GN86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Mail-Followup-To: WolfRyder , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org # wolfryder@qwest.net / 2003-01-24 09:09:14 -0600: > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:09:14 -0600 > From: "WolfRyder" > To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org > Subject: Okay, what am I doing wrong here > > Hey all...I'm a real newbie and am trying to install FreeBSD on my server. > I've made 2 installs, which go well, then I makeworld, recompile the kernel > and buildworld install and run the mergmanager, just like it says to do in > chapter 21. Follow it step by step... I think you got it wrong. The steps are: make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE shutdown now fsck -p mount -u / mount -a -t ufs swapon -a make installworld mergemaster -yourswitches reboot I govern a few machines none of which is very busy, and always short-circuit the sequence to: make buildworld make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE make installworld mergemaster -si reboot -- If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 9:28:15 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FAE37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E12E43F1E for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 60535 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jan 2003 17:23:00 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-07.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.7) by mpls-qmqp-03.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 24 Jan 2003 17:23:00 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-07.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 17:28:08 -0000 Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:32:29 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124111748.00ae8360@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here In-Reply-To: <20030124170813.GN86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hey all...I'm a real newbie and am trying to install FreeBSD on my server. > > I've made 2 installs, which go well, then I makeworld, recompile the > kernel > > and buildworld install and run the mergmanager, just like it says to do in > > chapter 21. Follow it step by step... > > I think you got it wrong. The steps are: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > shutdown now > fsck -p > mount -u / > mount -a -t ufs > swapon -a > make installworld > mergemaster -yourswitches > reboot > > I govern a few machines none of which is very busy, and always > short-circuit the sequence to: > > make buildworld > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > make installworld > mergemaster -si > reboot Yes, that's what I did...in my frustration I shortened words...I'm sorry...only thing I did differently in the last "short-circuit" sequence is the handbook said to run mergemaster before make buildworld and I didn't do the -si after the second mergemaster. I still lost the getty tty terminal windows. pre-I updated the src and ports to sync the source, as per chapter 21.3 1.ran mergemanager as per chapter 21.4.3 Updating the files in /etc 2.shutdown now (single user mode) 3.make buildworld 4.make buildkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG 5.make installkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG 6.single-usermode again (shutdown now) 7.make installworld 8.mergemaster 9.reboot I've just completed my 3rd reinstall and I'm gonna go through the steps without installing any software. just bare-bones, and see if I can get it to work. Use GENERIC (again) and try not to throw my computer out the window. frustrated, Carol To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 9:50: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651CC37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (dav70.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.162.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E136C43F65 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kenzo_chin@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:50:04 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [209.187.233.156] From: "Kenzo" To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124111748.00ae8360@pop.omah.uswest.net> Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:50:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2003 17:50:04.0726 (UTC) FILETIME=[06AB3560:01C2C3D1] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the steps I follow when making world. http://www.techgodz.com/freebsd/docs/Upgrade/MakeWorld-current.txt Works for me everytime. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WolfRyder" To: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here > > > > Hey all...I'm a real newbie and am trying to install FreeBSD on my server. > > > I've made 2 installs, which go well, then I makeworld, recompile the > > kernel > > > and buildworld install and run the mergmanager, just like it says to do in > > > chapter 21. Follow it step by step... > > > > I think you got it wrong. The steps are: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > shutdown now > > fsck -p > > mount -u / > > mount -a -t ufs > > swapon -a > > make installworld > > mergemaster -yourswitches > > reboot > > > > I govern a few machines none of which is very busy, and always > > short-circuit the sequence to: > > > > make buildworld > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > make installworld > > mergemaster -si > > reboot > Yes, that's what I did...in my frustration I shortened words...I'm > sorry...only thing I did differently in the last "short-circuit" sequence > is the handbook said to run mergemaster before make buildworld and I didn't > do the -si after the second mergemaster. I still lost the getty tty > terminal windows. > > pre-I updated the src and ports to sync the source, as per chapter 21.3 > > 1.ran mergemanager as per chapter 21.4.3 Updating the files in /etc > 2.shutdown now (single user mode) > 3.make buildworld > 4.make buildkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG > 5.make installkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG > 6.single-usermode again (shutdown now) > 7.make installworld > 8.mergemaster > 9.reboot > > I've just completed my 3rd reinstall and I'm gonna go through the steps > without installing any software. just bare-bones, and see if I can get it > to work. Use GENERIC (again) and try not to throw my computer out the window. > > frustrated, > Carol > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 11:30: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC23137B406 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:30:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D6143F1E for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:30:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H98009WNGSSB3@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:23:09 -0800 Received: from balderdash.acuson.com (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0DBS9; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:24:39 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:29:36 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: Flash In-reply-to: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> To: Benjamin Smith Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <200301241129.36921.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday 23 January 2003 11:23 pm, Benjamin Smith wrote: > I'm a Unix virgin too, and my fingers are short and stubby, but I do have > one skill. If you ever need any contributions in Flash, that's my game. > Splash, nav, what have you. If you have something you need shinied up I'd > be glad to donate an idle hour or ten. At first I thought you were a Flash developer, and I was jumping for joy. Then I realized you were probably just someone who designs web pages using Flash. Sigh. The state of the art in Flash on FreeBSD: Macromedia doesn't think we exist. They will not release native FreeBSD versions of their plugins or players. Because of this, getting Flash to work can be a pain. There is a native Linux plugin, but you have to use a native Linux browser to use it. If your browser of choice is Konqueror, then you need to use a native Linux version of KDE as well. It's not that big of a pain not to have it though, since most Flash content out there is worthless bandwidth hogging tripe, in my opinion. But there's some sites I need to get to, that I can't become someone decided they would do all site navigation through Flash. Aaargh! On to the FreeBSD web pages. Everything that gets pumped down the line to the user needs to be limited to HTML, CSS and static images. Period. This isn't because we're old fogeys. It's because we UNIX people invented the internet, and we happen to know just a little bit about it. The purpose of the web is to distribute textual content. The underlying protocols are robust enough to distribute other stuff, to be sure, but the main purpose is text. Of course, that textual content should be visually pleasing. Proper markup and formatting is good. Images that illustrate, break up the text flow, or just make the page look nice are good. If you can help in this area, you are most welcome. But keep the images static, because it's very hard to read text when stuff on the page is moving. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 11:54:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5868837B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:54:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A95443E4A for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H98009M3HY2B3@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:47:55 -0800 Received: from balderdash.acuson.com (dhcp-46-100.acuson.com [157.226.46.100]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id Y2R0DCB4; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:49:05 -0800 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:54:03 -0800 From: Johnson David Subject: Re: your mail+ Building and Breaking and all that... In-reply-to: <3E312E2C.81116287@ovis.net> To: chromexa@ovis.net, freebsd newbies Message-id: <200301241154.03045.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> <20030124113234.GH86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> <3E312E2C.81116287@ovis.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday 24 January 2003 04:14 am, Steve Kudlak wrote: > The way *BSD lists are organized...well this seems to be the > best place to ask this. It is a little too general for hackers. Has anyone > used TeX a lot under *BSD or any other nice typesetting system? > Has anyone brought up things like the POV ray tracing program and > got it to do interesting things. I've used TeX/LaTeX and POVray under FreeBSD. They work just as well, if not better, as under Windows or Linux. > Like has anyone thrown together a zine or a book on a BSD system > and what did they use. Besides all of the traditional UNIX text processing tools, also take a look at DocBook. This is the tool that O'Reilly uses for its books. Theire stylesheets are even available online. Using DocBook, you can output your document in HTML, TeX, or transformed into a custom XML. Then with the TeX output, you can get Postscript and PDF. For image processing, GIMP and ImageMagick should give you everything else you need. Who in BSD has done this? FreeBSD itself. The FreeBSD Handbook is a DocBook document, and a single source is used to create the online, PDF and printed bound versions. David Johnson To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 13:45:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2463E37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87C9143ED8 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from pavilion (sc-24-165-65-83.socal.rr.com [24.165.65.83]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with SMTP id h0OHT0n27273 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:29:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <004501c2c3ce$6ab94040$6501a8c0@socal.rr.com> From: "Gary Schenk" To: References: <20030124072324.88278.qmail@web41106.mail.yahoo.com> <20030124113234.GH86853@freepuppy.bellavista.cz> Subject: Re: your mail Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:31:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roman Neuhauser" To: "Benjamin Smith" Cc: Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:32 AM Subject: Re: your mail > # decrock@yahoo.com / 2003-01-23 23:23:24 -0800: > > Heya. I'm definitely a newbt. It took me two (full) days to get > > FreeBSD running over FTP and I almost took the Good Lord's name in > > vain regarding your OS. However, it works now, somewhat, and > > I'm appreciative, seeing the hefty sack of potential in the tidy > > package. > > as someone else wrote either here or in questions@ a few days ago: > you will do yourself a favor if you consider this installation a > throwaway. that way you won't be scared of breaking anything, and > then you won't be scared to explore new stuff either. the more you > break it in the beginning the less you'll break it in the future. > > > Now back to the hair-pulling. > > yeah, I remember the adrenaline rush when I saw the os boot from the > cd for the first time. I miss it. :) > > -- > If you cc me or remove the list(s) completely I'll most likely ignore > your message. see http://www.eyrie.org./~eagle/faqs/questions.html Yep, it's a rush all right. What Roman says about throwaway installations is right on. I just threw away my first install. I had deleted fetchmail trying different things to get my mail working, then could not reinstall it. Got an error code 1 that said check the debug screen. I looked on all sides of my monitor and could not find a debug screen, so I just trashed the whole thing and am now starting over. I learned a lot from my first install. Already I have a smaller kernel. Hopefully on this install I'll solve the problem I have receiving email. Then, I'll be free of the microsoft upgrade demon. I have a P3 600 mhz 128 mb machine. It is a fine computer. It handles anything I want to do, but Bill is about to force an upgrade on me. Win98 will no longer be supported soon. Software is now coming out requiring XP. In Bill's world my 'puter will be obsolete, and soon. I tried Linux, but it seemed kind of chaotic. FreeBSD seems to fit the bill for me. If I can just get my email working! Going to try postfix, fetchmail and Pine this time. Gary PS As Roman can tell you, learning how to use email properly is a real challengs for me ! :-| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 14:54:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FDF37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9FF43F13 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:54:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071A81005F; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:54:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF07FAA8F; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:54:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3E31C417.4090801@pantherdragon.org> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:54:15 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20030119 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: WolfRyder Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124111748.00ae8360@pop.omah.uswest.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org WolfRyder wrote: > 1.ran mergemanager as per chapter 21.4.3 Updating the files in /etc What was the exact command you ran? > 2.shutdown now (single user mode) > 3.make buildworld > 4.make buildkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG > 5.make installkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG > 6.single-usermode again (shutdown now) You should reboot, not just shutdown. The purpose is to test the new kernel, not just avoid programs from being run. > 7.make installworld > 8.mergemaster > 9.reboot To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 19:10: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4437B37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00B943ED8 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0P3A1NS004747 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0P3A1Pq004746 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200301250310.h0P3A1Pq004746@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 21:27:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D081F37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:27:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.WPI.EDU (mail1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 026FE43E4A for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emerson@WPI.EDU) Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (mcafee.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h0P5RdK4022497 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:27:39 -0500 Received: from smtp.wpi.edu(130.215.36.186) by mcafee.wpi.edu via csmap id 8153; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (root@emdall.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.206]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0P5RcJB005250 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:27:38 -0500 Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (emerson@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0P5RcoG014000 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:27:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (emerson@localhost) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0P5RcZU006467 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:27:38 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: emdall.WPI.EDU: emerson owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:27:38 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Emerson Longley To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Making the all-important switch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run two OpenBSD servers and use a 3rd OpenBSD system (a laptop) as a portable terminal. I have 3 years of *nix (OpenBSD, true64, linux) experience, but only one years experience as an administrator (OpenBSD). My main desktop system is W2k and I am sick and tired of it. I have decided to replace W2k with FreeBSD, as it is more suited to desktop use than OpenBSD. Now that I'm done babbling, here's my question: What major differences will I encounter (post-install) as a new FreeBSD user/administrator that my OpenBSD experience wouldn't have prepared me for? I'm particularly curious about large underlying differences, but I'm interested in anything you folks consider important. Thanks in advance for the help. -Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 24 23:46:11 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AADD37B401 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB1443F43 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 23:46:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahuth@pinguintown.de) Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18cL0t-00068Q-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:46:03 +0100 Received: from [213.7.53.210] (helo=hivi.pinguintown.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18cL0t-0004db-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:46:03 +0100 From: Alex Huth To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Partition-Layout best practice Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:51:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200301251051.03361.ahuth@pinguintown.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys! I=B4m know a something about Linux (RedHat, SuSE and Gentoo). I=B4d like to= =20 install FreeBSD on following Hardware: Toshiba Satellite 3000-100 14 GB HD =46ollowing Applications: KDE (all except devel-stuff & games) Ports over cvsup CrossoverOffice VMWare My first try was : / 150 MB swap 256 MB /tmp 100 MB /var 200 MB /usr 2,5 GB /home 1 GB /data the rest After my first cvsup, i did a "make all install in XFree86-4. During this t= he=20 "/usr" is running out of space. I will use for the partitions only the=20 maximum needed, because I need as much as possible space for vmware,=20 data,backup etc. So, what is a good layout for the above requirements? Thanks for your advice Alex Huth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 0:52:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C9037B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:52:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6E043EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 00:52:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahuth@pinguintown.de) Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18cM3C-0001H0-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:52:30 +0100 Received: from [213.7.58.166] (helo=hivi.pinguintown.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18cM3C-0003RP-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:52:30 +0100 From: Alex Huth To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: restore of CVS Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:57:29 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200301251157.29656.ahuth@pinguintown.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi guys! I will do a fresh install of a system and have a backup of /usr/ports and /usr/local. Which files/dirs do i have to restore to have a working cvstree on the new machine? So long ... Alex Huth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 5:25:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5668C37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:25:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sydney.lemis.com (dhcp80.trinity.linux.conf.au [130.95.169.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB67343EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 05:25:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (grog@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sydney.lemis.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0PDPY4c001669; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:25:34 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0PDPXwv001668; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:25:33 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:25:33 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Scott Emerson Longley Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch Message-ID: <20030125132533.GF1042@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 0:27:38 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: > I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little > free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run > two OpenBSD servers and use a 3rd OpenBSD system (a laptop) as a portable > terminal. I have 3 years of *nix (OpenBSD, true64, linux) experience, but > only one years experience as an administrator (OpenBSD). My main desktop > system is W2k and I am sick and tired of it. I have decided to replace W2k > with FreeBSD, as it is more suited to desktop use than OpenBSD. Now that > I'm done babbling, here's my question: Interesting question. What makes you think that FreeBSD is more suited to the desktop than OpenBSD? > What major differences will I encounter (post-install) as a new FreeBSD > user/administrator that my OpenBSD experience wouldn't have prepared me > for? It's difficult to quantify what differences you're likely to see. Installation will probably seem easier. You'll find different device names for disks. On the whole, I think the important differences you'll find will be with the "desktop" software you choose, and they'll be differences from Microsoft, not from OpenBSD. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 6:57: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2716E37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.112]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 68B5243E4A for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 23745 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2003 14:56:48 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.13) by mpls-qmqp-01.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 25 Jan 2003 14:56:48 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-13.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 14:57:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:01:20 -0600 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030125085409.00a86950@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124090552.00a85270@pop.omah.uswest.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20030124111748.00ae8360@pop.omah.uswest.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenzo, Thanks for the link! I used the instructions (which are very good, btw) and still (for the 3rd time) had it lose the tty terminals. I was so frustrated I was yelling and swearing and finally turned the computer off and went to read a book. My spouse, out of the kindness of his heart, turned it back on and discovered the mergemaster didn't merge the files correctly. I'm sure it was something I did wrong because I still don't quite understand when you should merge files, use the old or replace with the new . He fixed it (a matter of running mergemaster and fixing the 2 things that didn't merge right) and I now have a working bsd machine. On to installing and setting up apache/php/mysql. Wolf At 11:50 AM 1/24/03 -0600, Kenzo wrote: >This is the steps I follow when making world. >http://www.techgodz.com/freebsd/docs/Upgrade/MakeWorld-current.txt > >Works for me everytime. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "WolfRyder" >To: >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 11:32 AM >Subject: Re: Okay, what am I doing wrong here > > > > > > > > Hey all...I'm a real newbie and am trying to install FreeBSD on my >server. > > > > I've made 2 installs, which go well, then I makeworld, recompile the > > > kernel > > > > and buildworld install and run the mergmanager, just like it says to >do in > > > > chapter 21. Follow it step by step... > > > > > > I think you got it wrong. The steps are: > > > > > > make buildworld > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > > shutdown now > > > fsck -p > > > mount -u / > > > mount -a -t ufs > > > swapon -a > > > make installworld > > > mergemaster -yourswitches > > > reboot > > > > > > I govern a few machines none of which is very busy, and always > > > short-circuit the sequence to: > > > > > > make buildworld > > > make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > > make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_CONFIG_FILE > > > make installworld > > > mergemaster -si > > > reboot > > Yes, that's what I did...in my frustration I shortened words...I'm > > sorry...only thing I did differently in the last "short-circuit" sequence > > is the handbook said to run mergemaster before make buildworld and I >didn't > > do the -si after the second mergemaster. I still lost the getty tty > > terminal windows. > > > > pre-I updated the src and ports to sync the source, as per chapter 21.3 > > > > 1.ran mergemanager as per chapter 21.4.3 Updating the files in /etc > > 2.shutdown now (single user mode) > > 3.make buildworld > > 4.make buildkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG > > 5.make installkernel KERNCONF=MY_CONFIG > > 6.single-usermode again (shutdown now) > > 7.make installworld > > 8.mergemaster > > 9.reboot > > > > I've just completed my 3rd reinstall and I'm gonna go through the steps > > without installing any software. just bare-bones, and see if I can get it > > to work. Use GENERIC (again) and try not to throw my computer out the >window. > > > > frustrated, > > Carol > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 7:14:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6594337B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from more.smaller.net (more.smaller.net [63.228.228.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AF2443F13 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:14:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jernster@dumbfounded.net) Received: (qmail 81242 invoked from network); 25 Jan 2003 15:14:40 -0000 Received: from 12-235-231-241.client.attbi.com (HELO ?192.168.1.10?) (12.235.231.241) by more.smaller.net with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 15:14:40 -0000 Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch From: "Jon M. Ernster" To: Greg Lehey Cc: Scott Emerson Longley , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20030125132533.GF1042@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20030125132533.GF1042@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1043507676.895.24.camel@majorly> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Date: 25 Jan 2003 08:14:36 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Rating: more.smaller.net 0/1/N Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 06:25, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 0:27:38 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: > > I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little > > free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run > > two OpenBSD servers and use a 3rd OpenBSD system (a laptop) as a portable > > terminal. I have 3 years of *nix (OpenBSD, true64, linux) experience, but > > only one years experience as an administrator (OpenBSD). My main desktop > > system is W2k and I am sick and tired of it. I have decided to replace W2k > > with FreeBSD, as it is more suited to desktop use than OpenBSD. Now that > > I'm done babbling, here's my question: > > Interesting question. What makes you think that FreeBSD is more > suited to the desktop than OpenBSD? I think there's a difference in ease of use in general; ports - they're divided up into more general directories in FreeBSD as for OpenBSD has a bunch of ports shoved into directories. With FreeBSD you know you're running the most current ports (If you aren't, something may not work and that's the first thing you should check.) I run FreeBSD on the laptop I type this out on, where as my router runs OpenBSD and I don't think I'd run OpenBSD for anything else. > > > What major differences will I encounter (post-install) as a new FreeBSD > > user/administrator that my OpenBSD experience wouldn't have prepared me > > for? > > It's difficult to quantify what differences you're likely to see. > Installation will probably seem easier. You'll find different device > names for disks. On the whole, I think the important differences > you'll find will be with the "desktop" software you choose, and > they'll be differences from Microsoft, not from OpenBSD. I've never ran X in OpenBSD but I don't imagine it'd be a whole lot different than FreeBSD other than ease of use, less likeliness running into port problems, etc. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 7:48:44 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1835237B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:48:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.WPI.EDU (mail1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A3D343EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:48:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emerson@WPI.EDU) Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (mcafee.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h0PFmeK4030313 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 Received: from smtp.wpi.edu(130.215.36.186) by mcafee.wpi.edu via csmap id 22809; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (root@emdall.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.206]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PFmeJB001019; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (emerson@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0PFmeoG026679; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (emerson@localhost) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PFmeD3029058; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: emdall.WPI.EDU: emerson owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:48:40 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Emerson Longley To: Greg Lehey Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch In-Reply-To: <20030125132533.GF1042@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Greg Lehey wrote: > On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 0:27:38 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: > > I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little > > free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run > > two OpenBSD servers and use a 3rd OpenBSD system (a laptop) as a portable > > terminal. I have 3 years of *nix (OpenBSD, true64, linux) experience, but > > only one years experience as an administrator (OpenBSD). My main desktop > > system is W2k and I am sick and tired of it. I have decided to replace W2k > > with FreeBSD, as it is more suited to desktop use than OpenBSD. Now that > > I'm done babbling, here's my question: > > Interesting question. What makes you think that FreeBSD is more > suited to the desktop than OpenBSD? The FreeBSD ports tree is much larger. I cannot find nearly enough software to run on OpenBSD without a lot of headaches. Also, the OpenBSD community & developers are less sympathetic to desktop users. > > What major differences will I encounter (post-install) as a new FreeBSD > > user/administrator that my OpenBSD experience wouldn't have prepared me > > for? > > It's difficult to quantify what differences you're likely to see. > Installation will probably seem easier. I've got to disagree there. Nothing against FreeBSD, but the OpenBSD install process is shorter and easier than just about everything. However, if you're referring to the initial setup in general, that's great news. > You'll find different device > names for disks. On the whole, I think the important differences > you'll find will be with the "desktop" software you choose, and > they'll be differences from Microsoft, not from OpenBSD. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers Thanks, this seems like really good news. -Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 7:54:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1837B405 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:54:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.WPI.EDU (mail1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A049E43EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:54:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emerson@WPI.EDU) Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (mcafee.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h0PFsjK4031254 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:54:45 -0500 Received: from smtp.wpi.edu(130.215.36.186) by mcafee.wpi.edu via csmap id 22924; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:55:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (root@emdall.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.206]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PFsiJB001501; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:54:44 -0500 Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (emerson@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0PFsioG014305; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:54:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (emerson@localhost) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0PFshLH018883; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:54:43 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: emdall.WPI.EDU: emerson owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 10:54:43 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Emerson Longley To: "Jon M. Ernster" Cc: Greg Lehey , Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch In-Reply-To: <1043507676.895.24.camel@majorly> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 25 Jan 2003, Jon M. Ernster wrote: > On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 06:25, Greg Lehey wrote: > > On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 0:27:38 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: > > > I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little > > > free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run > > > two OpenBSD servers and use a 3rd OpenBSD system (a laptop) as a portable > > > terminal. I have 3 years of *nix (OpenBSD, true64, linux) experience, but > > > only one years experience as an administrator (OpenBSD). My main desktop > > > system is W2k and I am sick and tired of it. I have decided to replace W2k > > > with FreeBSD, as it is more suited to desktop use than OpenBSD. Now that > > > I'm done babbling, here's my question: > > > > Interesting question. What makes you think that FreeBSD is more > > suited to the desktop than OpenBSD? > > I think there's a difference in ease of use in general; ports - they're > divided up into more general directories in FreeBSD as for OpenBSD has a > bunch of ports shoved into directories. With FreeBSD you know you're > running the most current ports (If you aren't, something may not work > and that's the first thing you should check.) I run FreeBSD on the > laptop I type this out on, where as my router runs OpenBSD and I don't > think I'd run OpenBSD for anything else. Choosing the right OS for a computer with a specific use is like choosing the right tool for the job; it's essential. > > > > > What major differences will I encounter (post-install) as a new FreeBSD > > > user/administrator that my OpenBSD experience wouldn't have prepared me > > > for? > > > > It's difficult to quantify what differences you're likely to see. > > Installation will probably seem easier. You'll find different device > > names for disks. On the whole, I think the important differences > > you'll find will be with the "desktop" software you choose, and > > they'll be differences from Microsoft, not from OpenBSD. > > I've never ran X in OpenBSD but I don't imagine it'd be a whole lot > different than FreeBSD other than ease of use, less likeliness running > into port problems, etc. > > > > Greg > > -- > > See complete headers for address and phone numbers > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message The fact that people aren't coming up with a whole lot of differences that will give me a surprise later is encouraging. Thanks, people. -Scott Longley To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 9: 2:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD72A37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763B243F3F for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 09:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jshowatt@attbi.com) Received: from DDB8QJ11 (c-66-41-166-165.mn.client2.attbi.com[66.41.166.165]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52) with SMTP id <20030125170219052008vlkge>; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:02:20 +0000 Message-ID: <014f01c2c493$6ea52af0$a5a62942@DDB8QJ11> From: "jshowatt" To: "Scott Emerson Longley" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 11:01:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is my first ever post to a FBSD mailing list so can someone explain what "top posting" is and why it's not well received? What other formatting/etiquette rules should I keep in mind? > > > > I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little > > > > free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run > Choosing the right OS for a computer with a specific use is like choosing > the right tool for the job; it's essential. So why the derogatory 'Windoze' rather than simply 'Windows'? I would argue that Windows is the 'right OS' for many uses. Try running AutoCAD on any other operating system. Remove Windows from the desktops of every architecture firm in the US and you would cripple the industry. Windows is, in short, essential in this context. I've been following -questions for awhile and read a very well reasoned and succinct argument against using such negative terms to describe other platforms. I've chosen to adopt this view myself. Don't get me wrong, I'm actually envious of your ability and openness to trying different OSes. Just putting in my two cents. Good luck with FreeBSD and keep -newbies posted of your progress. I for one would be interested in knowing what differences (or lack thereof) you discover. Steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 14:20:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FAF37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:20:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.65.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B718543ED8 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:20:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 30274 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2003 22:20:44 -0000 Received: from p508BF580.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.245.128) by mail.gmx.net (mp001-rz3) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 22:20:44 -0000 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (oak.pohoyda.family [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0PMKlhM000527; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:20:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h0PMKkWh000524; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:20:46 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.pohoyda.family: apog set sender to alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net using -f To: Alex Huth Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Partition-Layout best practice References: <200301251051.03361.ahuth@pinguintown.de> From: Alexander Pohoyda Date: 25 Jan 2003 23:20:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200301251051.03361.ahuth@pinguintown.de> Message-ID: <87bs24lvlu.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Huth writes: > My first try was : > > / 150 MB > swap 256 MB > /tmp 100 MB > /var 200 MB > /usr 2,5 GB > /home 1 GB > /data the rest I would do it this way: / 150 MB swap 256 MB /var 250 MB /usr 4 GB /data the rest /tmp --> /var/tmp /home --> /usr/home -- Alexander Pohoyda To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 14:23:51 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE6937B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.65.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 617A643ED8 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 14:23:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 3857 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 2003 22:23:48 -0000 Received: from p508BF580.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO oak.pohoyda.family) (80.139.245.128) by mail.gmx.net (mp007-rz3) with SMTP; 25 Jan 2003 22:23:48 -0000 Received: from oak.pohoyda.family (oak.pohoyda.family [127.0.0.1]) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.3/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0PMNrhM000548; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:23:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net) Received: (from apog@localhost) by oak.pohoyda.family (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id h0PMNq3k000545; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 23:23:52 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: oak.pohoyda.family: apog set sender to alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net using -f To: Alex Huth Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: restore of CVS References: <200301251157.29656.ahuth@pinguintown.de> From: Alexander Pohoyda Date: 25 Jan 2003 23:23:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200301251157.29656.ahuth@pinguintown.de> Message-ID: <8765sclvgn.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alex Huth writes: > I will do a fresh install of a system and have a backup of /usr/ports and > /usr/local. Which files/dirs do i have to restore to have a working cvstree > on the new machine? What is the reason for making a backup of /usr/ports ? Even more /usr/local ?? Which CVS tree do you need? -- Alexander Pohoyda To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 17:22: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7A737B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:22:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from sydney.lemis.com (dhcp80.trinity.linux.conf.au [130.95.169.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB9843EB2 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: from sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (grog@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sydney.lemis.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0Q1LL4c003693; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:21:22 +0800 (WST) (envelope-from grog@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by sydney.worldwide.lemis.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h0Q1LKdG003692; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:21:20 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 09:21:19 +0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Scott Emerson Longley Cc: "Jon M. Ernster" , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch Message-ID: <20030126012119.GA3641@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> References: <20030125132533.GF1042@sydney.worldwide.lemis.com> <1043507676.895.24.camel@majorly> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 10:54:43 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: > > > On 25 Jan 2003, Jon M. Ernster wrote: > >> On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 06:25, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 0:27:38 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: >>>> I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what little >>>> free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I run >>>> two OpenBSD servers and use a 3rd OpenBSD system (a laptop) as a portable >>>> terminal. I have 3 years of *nix (OpenBSD, true64, linux) experience, but >>>> only one years experience as an administrator (OpenBSD). My main desktop >>>> system is W2k and I am sick and tired of it. I have decided to replace W2k >>>> with FreeBSD, as it is more suited to desktop use than OpenBSD. Now that >>>> I'm done babbling, here's my question: >>> >>> Interesting question. What makes you think that FreeBSD is more >>> suited to the desktop than OpenBSD? >> >> I think there's a difference in ease of use in general; ports - they're >> divided up into more general directories in FreeBSD as for OpenBSD has a >> bunch of ports shoved into directories. With FreeBSD you know you're >> running the most current ports (If you aren't, something may not work >> and that's the first thing you should check.) I run FreeBSD on the >> laptop I type this out on, where as my router runs OpenBSD and I don't >> think I'd run OpenBSD for anything else. > > Choosing the right OS for a computer with a specific use is like > choosing the right tool for the job; it's essential. Both OpenBSD and FreeBSD are general-purpose operating systems. There are various levels of "right". In many cases, both FreeBSD and OpenBSD are "right". As you get more demanding, you have fewer choices, until finally there are none. On Saturday, 25 January 2003 at 10:48:40 -0500, Scott Emerson Longley wrote: > On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, Greg Lehey wrote: >> Interesting question. What makes you think that FreeBSD is more >> suited to the desktop than OpenBSD? > > The FreeBSD ports tree is much larger. I cannot find nearly enough > software to run on OpenBSD without a lot of headaches. Also, the OpenBSD > community & developers are less sympathetic to desktop users. I suppose that's a difference :-) >>> What major differences will I encounter (post-install) as a new >>> FreeBSD user/administrator that my OpenBSD experience wouldn't >>> have prepared me for? >> >> It's difficult to quantify what differences you're likely to see. >> Installation will probably seem easier. > > I've got to disagree there. Nothing against FreeBSD, but the OpenBSD > install process is shorter and easier than just about > everything. However, if you're referring to the initial setup in > general, that's great news. Yes, it depends on what you mean by "install". IIRC you can't configure X during the OpenBSD install, for example. In recent versions of FreeBSD, you can install a complete, functional desktop from sysinstall. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 21:28:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302BD37B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:28:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.WPI.EDU (mail1.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C0F43F13 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:28:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from emerson@WPI.EDU) Received: from mcafee.wpi.edu (mcafee.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.86]) by mail1.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id h0Q5S3K4012614 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:28:03 -0500 Received: from smtp.wpi.edu(130.215.36.186) by mcafee.wpi.edu via csmap id 18540; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:28:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (root@emdall.WPI.EDU [130.215.36.206]) by smtp.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0Q5S3JB015133; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:28:03 -0500 Received: from emdall.WPI.EDU (emerson@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h0Q5S1oG003424; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (emerson@localhost) by emdall.WPI.EDU (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h0Q5Rxq5008875; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:27:59 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: emdall.WPI.EDU: emerson owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:27:58 -0500 (EST) From: Scott Emerson Longley To: jshowatt Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Making the all-important switch In-Reply-To: <014f01c2c493$6ea52af0$a5a62942@DDB8QJ11> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 25 Jan 2003, jshowatt wrote: > This is my first ever post to a FBSD mailing list so can someone explain > what "top posting" is and why it's not well received? What other > formatting/etiquette rules should I keep in mind? > > > > > > I'm about ready to ditch Windoze for good and I'm spending what > little > > > > > free time I can find to prepare by researching FreeBSD. Currently, I > run > > > Choosing the right OS for a computer with a specific use is like choosing > > the right tool for the job; it's essential. > > So why the derogatory 'Windoze' rather than simply 'Windows'? I would argue > that Windows is the 'right OS' for many uses. Try running AutoCAD on any > other operating system. Remove Windows from the desktops of every > architecture firm in the US and you would cripple the industry. Windows is, > in short, essential in this context. You're absolutely right there. Windows is the right tool for many jobs. However, I'm disgusted with two things specifically: 1.) The closed source development model puts quality control out of my control and makes concientious consumerism difficult, if not impossible. 2.) The moral bankruptcy of Microsoft. Every time I read something about Microsoft, whether it's support of "trusted" computing, tyrannical anti-piracy measures, monopolistic control of the market, or NSA backdoors built into their OS, I get more disgusted. To be perfectly correct, I should not turn the word "Windows" into a derogatory word, because it does have many good qualities and useful applications. However, I should probably call it Microf*** Windows, given what I feel to be well founded animosity to this corporation gone amok. > I've been following -questions for awhile and read a very well reasoned and > succinct argument against using such negative terms to describe other > platforms. I've chosen to adopt this view myself. Don't get me wrong, I'm > actually envious of your ability and openness to trying different OSes. > Just putting in my two cents. > > Good luck with FreeBSD and keep -newbies posted of your progress. I for one > would be interested in knowing what differences (or lack thereof) you > discover. > > Steve Thanks for the input and good wishes. I will certainly keep you posted about my progress with FreeBSD (when I find time to install it between school and band practices). -Scott To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 25 21:42: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F9237B401 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:42:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7261743ED8 for ; Sat, 25 Jan 2003 21:42:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ahuth@pinguintown.de) Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18cfYN-0003SV-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:41:59 +0100 Received: from [213.7.54.72] (helo=hivi.pinguintown.local) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18cfYN-00014C-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 06:41:59 +0100 From: Alex Huth To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: restore of CVS Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:46:58 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200301251157.29656.ahuth@pinguintown.de> <8765sclvgn.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> In-Reply-To: <8765sclvgn.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200301260846.58397.ahuth@pinguintown.de> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Alex Huth writes: > > I will do a fresh install of a system and have a backup of /usr/ports a= nd > > /usr/local. Which files/dirs do i have to restore to have a working > > cvstree on the new machine? > > What is the reason for making a backup of /usr/ports ? Even more /usr/loc= al > ?? Which CVS tree do you need? I=B4ve want to make a new install of the machine. While I=B4m only having a= line=20 with 7 kb to do a initial cvsup and fetch the sources, it is good to copy t= he=20 tree back to the new machine. So long ... Alex Huth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message