From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 00:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6105F37B401; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.91.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6AEF43F85; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7197BAE4A6; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030413071000.7197BAE4A6@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-03-23 - 2003-04-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 07:10:02 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 11-Apr : Using foo+bar@ email addresses with Postfix and procmail This is easy to do, but hard to find the info http://freebsddiary.org/procmail-foo+bar-addresses.php?2 1-Apr : FreeBSD/NetBSD to merge It's about time! http://freebsddiary.org/fretbsd.php?2 10-Mar : Home networks are everywhere Creating one from scratch can be fun http://freebsddiary.org/wap.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 03:18:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A806637B404 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 021A143F3F for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:18:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nyogtha@flipp.net) Received: from LAPDANCE (deathpolka.nyogtha.org [217.13.20.12]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with SMTP id A6165786F0 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:18:30 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <000501c301a6$0365fbc0$3800000a@LAPDANCE> From: "Aslak Evang" To: Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:18:22 +0200 Organization: THS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: mail to all users (announcements) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:18:45 -0000 I've searched for ways for root to email all users on a system. The only easy solution I found included making a shellscript and setting it as an alias for "everybody". Problem was that in the script you had to insert all your users manually. Does anybody know of other methods for sending announcements to all users on a system? Could have done it with MOTD but few of them actually log-in. Most just read mail. suggestions? - Aslak -- .______________ ___ _________. ____ ___ _______ \__ ___/ | \/ _____/ / __/______ ___ / _ )/ __/ _ \ | | / ~ \_____ \ / _// __/ -_) -_) _ |\ \/ // / | | \ Y / \ /_/ /_/ \__/\__/____/___/____/ /-|____|--\___|_ /_______ /---http://nyogtha.org-------->->-\ /-<-<------------\/--------\/---------------nyogtha@flipp.net---\ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 05:16:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEC137B404 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1719943F85 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:16:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@welearn.com.au) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h3DCFUXK000846; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:15:30 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3DCFTJv000845; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:15:29 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 22:15:29 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: Aslak Evang Message-ID: <20030413221529.A229@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , Aslak Evang , newbies@freebsd.org References: <000501c301a6$0365fbc0$3800000a@LAPDANCE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <000501c301a6$0365fbc0$3800000a@LAPDANCE>; from nyogtha@flipp.net on Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 12:18:22PM +0200 X-PGP-Fingerprint: E9A3 7B97 C563 DBB1 979E BC04 D2A2 9DA3 1274 7885 cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail to all users (announcements) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:16:04 -0000 On Sun, Apr 13, 2003 at 12:18:22PM +0200, Aslak Evang wrote: > I've searched for ways for root to email all users on a system. The only > easy solution I found included making a shellscript and setting it as an > alias for "everybody". Problem was that in the script you had to insert > all your users manually. > Does anybody know of other methods for sending announcements to all > users on a system? Could have done it with MOTD but few of them actually > log-in. Most just read mail. > > suggestions? You'd be better off asking for suggestions in freebsd-questions (the support mailing list) rather than asking other newbies in this non-technical chat group. Even apparently simple questions can have unseen aspects, and the advice you get will benefit from the peer review found on the proper support group. Confident newbies can answer on freebsd-questions, and if their answers need correcting someone is sure to follow up there. For example, in this case you will run into strife if a user Replies and unwittingly spams all of the other users, perhaps accidentally broadcasting their personal information at the same time. One such oversight can end up costing your business a fortune. I've seen it happen, and I wouldn't like to see it happen again to any other newbies. There are ways around this, but do get the proper answers from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, no matter how simple the question seems to be. -- Regards, -*Sue*- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 10:10:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CDDF37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F8E43FBF for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:52:19 +0100 From: John Murphy To: "Mike Knowles" Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:52:19 +0100 Message-ID: References: <000a01c3012d$d3887f40$1dc628c3@main> In-Reply-To: <000a01c3012d$d3887f40$1dc628c3@main> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Can't install from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:10:28 -0000 "Mike Knowles" wrote: >Hi, I am trying to install V5.0 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000. The machine = boots >O.K off the CD but when I get to the stage during install when I choose = CD/DVD >installation I get a no device error. The CD drive is a Hitachi = CDR-7930. >All hardware was working fine running W98 immediatly before. Can You = help? Technical questions should only be asked on the = freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list. But I just can't resist saying: load the cd9660.ko driver from the drivers disk, when asked "Do you want to load any additional = drivers". John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 13 17:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF9D37B401 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:18:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.us.messagingengine.com (ny3.fastmail.fm [66.111.4.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 221B943F85 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 17:18:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from thanjee@fastmail.fm) Received: from smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (server2.internal [10.202.2.133]) by server3.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492D554EC6 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 ([127.0.0.1] helo=smtp.us2.messagingengine.com) by messagingengine.com with SMTP; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:18:16 -0400 Received: by smtp.us2.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 124F451A7E; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 20:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Thanjee Neefam" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 16:18:16 -0800 X-Epoch: 1050279496 X-Sasl-enc: 0vGGKxrbJF1vIilysCp9IQ References: <20030413190122.781AC37B401@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20030413190122.781AC37B401@hub.freebsd.org> Message-Id: <20030414001816.124F451A7E@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> Subject: Re: Can't install from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 00:18:22 -0000 > "Mike Knowles" wrote: > > >Hi, I am trying to install V5.0 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000. The machine boots > >O.K off the CD but when I get to the stage during install when I choose CD/DVD > >installation I get a no device error. The CD drive is a Hitachi CDR-7930. > >All hardware was working fine running W98 immediatly before. Can You help? > > Technical questions should only be asked on the > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > mailing list. But I just can't resist saying: load the cd9660.ko driver > from the drivers disk, when asked "Do you want to load any additional > drivers". > > > > John. I thought that installation problems were very valid newbie issues. If you can't even install FreeBSD, how can you ever get beyond newbie? I had the same problem a couple of years back with a laptop, but I got around it in a very long and annoying process which I can't even remember now (I think I eventually installed from a dos partition). I wish I had found that simple answer in my earlier newbie days :) /////////// thanjee@fastmail.fm \\\\\\\\\\\ AAFE Audio, Amiga and FreeBSD Enthusiast :p \\\\\\\\\ http://www.fastmail.fm ////////// From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 06:35:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6686437B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3A7443FBD for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 06:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3EDg11d018840 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:42:01 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <24R42924>; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:32:43 +0200 Received: from intra241.intrasoft.lu (212.190.217.170 [212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 24R4292T; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:32:41 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:36:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-105.8 required=4.2 tests=USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:35:41 -0000 How do I allow users to mount devices from /dev/* (eg /dev/fd0). Do I just need to change the permissions etc, or is there a "better" way by adding a flag or something? Thanks, Anthony From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 11:05:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DD5437B4A8 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4B543FD7 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDC00MXPI7SOE@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:55:15 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXN2LN; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:56:46 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:04:52 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> To: CARTER Anthony , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Subject: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:05:16 -0000 On Monday 14 April 2003 06:36 am, CARTER Anthony wrote: > How do I allow users to mount devices from /dev/* (eg /dev/fd0). Do I > just need to change the permissions etc, or is there a "better" way > by adding a flag or something? There's an answer to this in the FAQ! See question 9.22 in the FAQ, either on your system at /usr/share/doc/faq/disks.html if you installed the docs, or at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/disks.html. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 11:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B87537B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5DC43F93 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:21:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sperry@newcreations.info) Received: from user28.net592.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.13.28] helo=slruss) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1958Zg-0004rm-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: <200304141421020644.001DA712@smtp.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:21:02 -0400 From: "Sperry Russ" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Failed To Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:21:02 -0000 Hi, I am new to FreeBSD with a little experience in Linux and of course have= used Windows. I have installed the Freebsd 4.8 from a CD that I downloaded= and burned. I got the 610mb iso. I am using a boot manager named BootIt and have win2000, linux and other= systems installed. When I installed FreeBSD I set it not to modify my boot manager. Upon my= first boot it booted to the point of a prompt with the words: mount root>= and informed me that i needed to supply a file system and device. What do I need to do to make it boot to a normal command line? I searched= the faq and could find nothing about it in the Install manual either. Thanks, Sperry From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 11:23:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4089E37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF3D43F75 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:23:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sperry@newcreations.info) Received: from user28.net592.fl.sprint-hsd.net ([65.41.13.28] helo=slruss) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1958bf-0000EF-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:23:03 -0700 Message-ID: <200304141423050230.001F85EC@smtp.earthlink.net> References: <200304141421020644.001DA712@smtp.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (4) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 14:23:05 -0400 From: "Sperry Russ" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Failed To Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:23:04 -0000 Hi, I am new to FreeBSD with a little experience in Linux and of course have= used Windows. I have installed the Freebsd 4.8 from a CD that I downloaded= and burned. I got the 610mb iso. I am using a boot manager named BootIt and have win2000, linux and other= systems installed. When I installed FreeBSD I set it not to modify my boot manager. Upon my= first boot it booted to the point of a prompt with the words: mount root>= and informed me that i needed to supply a file system and device. What do I need to do to make it boot to a normal command line? I searched= the faq and could find nothing about it in the Install manual either. Thanks, Sperry From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 11:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0549337B40A for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0583743FA3 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:33:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDC00M6OJIJOI@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:23:18 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXNJD1; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:24:47 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 11:32:53 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030414001816.124F451A7E@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> To: Thanjee Neefam , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304141132.53338.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <20030413190122.781AC37B401@hub.freebsd.org> <20030414001816.124F451A7E@smtp.us2.messagingengine.com> Subject: Re: Can't install from CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:33:21 -0000 On Sunday 13 April 2003 05:18 pm, Thanjee Neefam wrote: > I thought that installation problems were very valid newbie issues. > If you can't even install FreeBSD, how can you ever get beyond > newbie? The FreeBSD mailing list hierarchy is different from the Linux mailing lists. We are NOT separated into -newbies, -intermediate, and -advanced. All questions of a technical nature should go to -questions, regardless of your experience level, with the exception of technical questions belongs to a more specialized list. The purpose of -newbies is for newbies to hang out, chat, and discuss issues related to -newbies. We can certainly ask questions. Just not technical questions. The reason for not allowing technical questions is that this list is inhabited by newbies. Think about it. Do you want your technical question answered by someone with no experience? I sure don't! I've seen this problem on Linux. Someone joins a Linux newbie list, asks a question, gets ten wrong answers, and then proceeds to screw up their machine. FreeBSD cannot afford to have an *official* list provide the public with erroneous and misleading information. Our reputation for excellence is too important to lose. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 22:00:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9792C37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thong.s2s.msu.ru (thong.s2s.msu.ru [193.232.119.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C1543FB1 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 22:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from epbox@yandex.ru) Received: from hq.sectorb.msk.ru (petaflop.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.220]) by thong.s2s.msu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9EE461B0; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:00:47 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vlad.local (vlad.local [172.16.8.9]) by hq.sectorb.msk.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7431326B; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:00:46 +0400 (MSD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: Vladik Kozin To: Johnson David Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:00:59 +0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304150900.59043.epbox@yandex.ru> cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: epbox@yandex.ru List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 05:00:49 -0000 On Monday 14 April 2003 22:04, Johnson David wrote: > On Monday 14 April 2003 06:36 am, CARTER Anthony wrote: > > How do I allow users to mount devices from /dev/* (eg /dev/fd0). Do I > > just need to change the permissions etc, or is there a "better" way > > by adding a flag or something? > > There's an answer to this in the FAQ! See question 9.22 in the FAQ, > either on your system at /usr/share/doc/faq/disks.html if you installed > the docs, or at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/disks.html. > > David Hi! What if I'd like ordinary users to be able to mount /dev/fd0, for=20 instance, onto a common dir located in /mnt (/mnt/floppy)?=20 I made mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy as root. When I try to mount fd0 onto thi= s dir=20 as an ordinary user I get "msdos: /dev/fd0: Operation not permitted" whil= e=20 when doing the same onto a dir that this user owns everything goes fine. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 23:54:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E740737B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thong.s2s.msu.ru (thong.s2s.msu.ru [193.232.119.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B04643FAF for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:54:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from epbox@yandex.ru) Received: from hq.sectorb.msk.ru (petaflop.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.220]) by thong.s2s.msu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE1346166 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:54:07 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vlad.local (vlad.local [172.16.8.9]) by hq.sectorb.msk.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F881326B for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:54:07 +0400 (MSD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: Vladik Kozin Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:54:19 +0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304151054.19893.epbox@yandex.ru> Subject: Fwd: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: epbox@yandex.ru List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:54:09 -0000 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: /dev/... Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:42:11 +0200 From: Are-Harald Brenne To: epbox@yandex.ru > Hi! What if I'd like ordinary users to be able to mount /dev/fd0, for > instance, onto a common dir located in /mnt (/mnt/floppy)? > I made mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy as root. When I try to mount fd0 onto t= his > dir as an ordinary user I get "msdos: /dev/fd0: Operation not permitted= " > while when doing the same onto a dir that this user owns everything goe= s > fine. I think you need to check out the permissions and owner of /dev/fd0. Cheers, Are. ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 14 23:58:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3A2C37B401 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:58:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thong.s2s.msu.ru (thong.s2s.msu.ru [193.232.119.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB7443F3F for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 23:58:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from epbox@yandex.ru) Received: from hq.sectorb.msk.ru (petaflop.lcm.msu.ru [193.232.113.220]) by thong.s2s.msu.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8890346224 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:58:29 +0400 (MSD) Received: from vlad.local (vlad.local [172.16.8.9]) by hq.sectorb.msk.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3A91326B for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:58:29 +0400 (MSD) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" From: Vladik Kozin To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:58:41 +0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <200304150900.59043.epbox@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <200304150900.59043.epbox@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304151058.41895.epbox@yandex.ru> Subject: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: epbox@yandex.ru List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 06:58:31 -0000 > Hi! What if I'd like ordinary users to be able to mount /dev/fd0, for > instance, onto a common dir located in /mnt (/mnt/floppy)? > I made mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy as root. When I try to mount fd0 onto t= his > dir as an ordinary user I get "msdos: /dev/fd0: Operation not permitted= " > while when doing the same onto a dir that this user owns everything goe= s > fine. _______________________________________________ Of course I checked the FAQ & did everything as said there. Specifically: #su # sysctl -w vfs.usermount=3D1 # chmod 666 /dev/fd0 #mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy bash$ mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 00:04:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E5937B401; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:04:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from joloxbox.joshualokken.com (12-225-249-250.client.attbi.com [12.225.249.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A273A43FB1; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jolok@joshualokken.com) Received: from joloxbox.joshualokken.com (localhost.joshualokken.com [127.0.0.1])h3F753aW087498; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:05:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jolok@joshualokken.com) Received: (from jolok@localhost) by joloxbox.joshualokken.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3F751cE087480; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:05:01 -0700 From: Joshua Lokken To: DavidJohnson@Siemens.com Message-ID: <20030415070501.GA79260@joloxbox.joshualokken.com> References: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="T4sUOijqQbZv57TR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: little to none X-OS: FreeBSD joloxbox.joshualokken.com 4.8-STABLE i386 cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:04:34 -0000 --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline * Johnson David (DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) wrote: ==> On Monday 14 April 2003 06:36 am, CARTER Anthony wrote: ==> > How do I allow users to mount devices from /dev/* (eg /dev/fd0). Do I ==> > just need to change the permissions etc, or is there a "better" way ==> > by adding a flag or something? ==> ==> There's an answer to this in the FAQ! See question 9.22 in the FAQ, ==> either on your system at /usr/share/doc/faq/disks.html if you installed ==> the docs, or at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/disks.html. The procedure in the handbook simply does not work on my 4.8-stable. Sample output attached. I've always used sudo to mount filesystems as a user, but now that I've tried this and it doesn't work, I'd like to know why. Are there any other ideas? -- Joshua ==> David ==> _______________________________________________ ==> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list ==> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies ==> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=user_mount /home/jolok >> ls -l /dev/fd0 crw-rw-rw- 18 root operator 9, 0 Mar 9 21:19 /dev/fd0 /home/jolok >> ls -l | grep floppy drwxrwxr-x 2 jolok jolok 512 Apr 14 22:22 floppy /home/jolok >> sysctl -a | grep "vfs.usermount" <118>vfs.usermount: <118>vfs.usermount: <118>vfs.usermount: <118>vfs.usermount: vfs.usermount: 1 <118>vfs.usermount: <118>vfs.usermount: <118>vfs.usermount: <118>vfs.usermount: Hmmm... /home/jolok >> whoami jolok /home/jolok >> mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 floppy msdos: vfsload(msdos): Operation not permitted --T4sUOijqQbZv57TR-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 00:30:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29E6637B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7831143F93 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 00:30:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3F7bW1d013785; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:37:32 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <24R4JCB0>; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:28:01 +0200 Received: from intra241.intrasoft.lu (212.190.217.170 [212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id 24R4JCB9; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:28:00 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: epbox@yandex.ru, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:31:24 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <200304150900.59043.epbox@yandex.ru> <200304151058.41895.epbox@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <200304151058.41895.epbox@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304150931.24484.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-130.9 required=4.2 tests=ASCII_FORM_ENTRY,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:30:59 -0000 You have to be owner (not group owner) of the mount point from what I can work out. Anthony On Tuesday 15 April 2003 08:58, Vladik Kozin wrote: > > Hi! What if I'd like ordinary users to be able to mount /dev/fd0, for > > instance, onto a common dir located in /mnt (/mnt/floppy)? > > I made mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy as root. When I try to mount fd0 onto > > this dir as an ordinary user I get "msdos: /dev/fd0: Operation not > > permitted" while when doing the same onto a dir that this user owns > > everything goes fine. _______________________________________________ > > Of course I checked the FAQ & did everything as said there. Specifically: > #su > # sysctl -w vfs.usermount=1 > # chmod 666 /dev/fd0 > #mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy > bash$ mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 01:59:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08EC37B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC2643FAF for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:59:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.gorean.org (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with SMTP id <2003041508594100300fc6bde>; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:59:41 +0000 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 01:59:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Sperry Russ In-Reply-To: <200304141421020644.001DA712@smtp.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20030415015619.W2937@znfgre.tberna.bet> References: <200304141421020644.001DA712@smtp.earthlink.net> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Failed To Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 08:59:47 -0000 Howdy, Unlike some other forums, the -newbies list here is not for questions, it's for discussing new user experiences. You should have asked this in freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, but since the answer is so easy ... On Mon, 14 Apr 2003, Sperry Russ wrote: > I am using a boot manager named BootIt and have win2000, linux and other > systems installed. > > When I installed FreeBSD I set it not to modify my boot manager. Upon > my first boot it booted to the point of a prompt with the words: mount > root> and informed me that i needed to supply a file system and device. Our boot loader requires a little more access to your disk than your multi-boot thingy is giving it. You might be able to find a workaround by posting the details to -questions, but it sounds like you should give our boot manager a try. It's not pretty, but it works quite well. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 15 11:31:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3C137B401 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:31:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19D843FA3 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:31:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDE001JPE3KAS@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:21:29 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSX3B3N; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:23:00 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 11:31:08 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304150900.59043.epbox@yandex.ru> To: epbox@yandex.ru Message-id: <200304151131.08655.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304141536.05035.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <200304141104.52180.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <200304150900.59043.epbox@yandex.ru> cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: /dev/... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 18:31:33 -0000 On Monday 14 April 2003 10:00 pm, Vladik Kozin wrote: > Hi! What if I'd like ordinary users to be able to mount /dev/fd0, for > instance, onto a common dir located in /mnt (/mnt/floppy)? > I made mkdir -m 755 /mnt/floppy as root. When I try to mount fd0 onto > this dir as an ordinary user I get "msdos: /dev/fd0: Operation not > permitted" while when doing the same onto a dir that this user owns > everything goes fine. I won't give a technical answer, since this isn't -questions, but I'll say a few words about it. First of all, the user needs to be the owner of the mount point. Having rwx permissions or a group member is not enough. This is why you need to have a mount point in your home directory. Now for the big question. Why? Because a multi-user system cannot let a user arbitrarily mount and unmount the resources that may be used by other users. Imagine if the user wants to take their floppy and go home for the day, but someone else is still writing a file to it. A floppy you can at least eject and worry about recovering the corrupted data later. But a CDROM you won't even be able to eject, let along unmount. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 16 04:15:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B1037B401 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 04:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compuserve.com (adsl-67-39-67-129.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net [67.39.67.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1AB0643FAF for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 04:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from export.russia@auraprint.fi) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:29:11 +0000 From: Export.russia To: Freebsd-newbies References: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <684GL93C7B8D3B23F@auraprint.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_I22_8_61_H0___CB4E0IA_33_" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: about new email service. 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Doing pkg_delete only removes gnome2-2.2.1, not all its associating files/libraries. So, how do i completely remove Gnome2? Thanks Bborie From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 10:57:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1528837B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:57:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C9E43FCB for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:57:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDI003UM1V4KZ@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:47:35 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXPSBR; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:48:55 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:57:05 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304171605.h3HG5j825520@andrena.ucdavis.edu> To: Bborie Park , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304171057.05425.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304171605.h3HG5j825520@andrena.ucdavis.edu> Subject: Re: Gnome2 Removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:57:43 -0000 On Thursday 17 April 2003 09:05 am, Bborie Park wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to remove Grnome2 from my system. Doing pkg_delete only > removes gnome2-2.2.1, not all its associating files/libraries. So, > how do i completely remove Gnome2? Ah, a tough one. The problem is that there are several dozen dependencies for Gnome. Remove too many and you break other stuff. I did this once and it was a timeconsuming affair. There is no simple way to do this that I am aware of. Basically you need to find out what Gnome2 actually installed, then remove them manually. A place to start is to use "pkgversion -R gnome2", which will list all dependencies of an installed gnome2 package. But BEWARE! This will list *all* dependencies, including those required elsewhere. You do not want to remove all of this. So prune the list by hand. Then use -i and -n when using pkg_delete to see just what would be removed. I should redirect you to the freebsd-gnome mailing list where they may have a complete list of packages that they can give you. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 23:09:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4603937B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3FBE43FBD for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:09:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3I6Gq1d017722; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:16:53 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:06:28 +0200 Received: from intra241.intrasoft.lu (212.190.217.170 [212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id JD53XQ0H; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:06:24 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: Johnson David , Bborie Park , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:09:56 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304171605.h3HG5j825520@andrena.ucdavis.edu> <200304171057.05425.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200304171057.05425.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304180809.57060.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-131.9 required=4.2 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: Gnome2 Removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:09:32 -0000 There is a page in the manual that tells you how to do this (or is it the FAQ, hold on...) here you go: http://freebsd.unixtech.be/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q5 in the gnome Faq...Removes all Gnome 1.x and 2.x Read it first, and get this confirmed by someone who knows a bit more about FBSD than I. Anthony On Thursday 17 April 2003 19:57, Johnson David wrote: > On Thursday 17 April 2003 09:05 am, Bborie Park wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm trying to remove Grnome2 from my system. Doing pkg_delete only > > removes gnome2-2.2.1, not all its associating files/libraries. So, > > how do i completely remove Gnome2? > > Ah, a tough one. The problem is that there are several dozen > dependencies for Gnome. Remove too many and you break other stuff. I > did this once and it was a timeconsuming affair. There is no simple way > to do this that I am aware of. > > Basically you need to find out what Gnome2 actually installed, then > remove them manually. A place to start is to use "pkgversion -R > gnome2", which will list all dependencies of an installed gnome2 > package. But BEWARE! This will list *all* dependencies, including those > required elsewhere. You do not want to remove all of this. So prune the > list by hand. Then use -i and -n when using pkg_delete to see just what > would be removed. > > I should redirect you to the freebsd-gnome mailing list where they may > have a complete list of packages that they can give you. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 17 23:11:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC5D37B401 for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDECF43FBF for ; Thu, 17 Apr 2003 23:11:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3I6IS1d017747; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:18:28 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:08:04 +0200 Received: from intra241.intrasoft.lu (212.190.217.170 [212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id JD53XQ0L; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:08:00 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: CARTER Anthony , Johnson David , Bborie Park , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 08:11:33 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304171605.h3HG5j825520@andrena.ucdavis.edu> <200304171057.05425.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <200304180809.57060.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> In-Reply-To: <200304180809.57060.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304180811.33191.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-131.9 required=4.2 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: Re: Gnome2 Removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 06:11:07 -0000 After reading the article again, I think you'll find it removes ALL your apps too (and if I remember doing it myself, removes KDE too). They will have to be re-installed... Anthony On Friday 18 April 2003 08:09, CARTER Anthony wrote: > There is a page in the manual that tells you how to do this (or is it the > FAQ, hold on...) > > here you go: > > http://freebsd.unixtech.be/gnome/docs/faq2.html#q5 > > in the gnome Faq...Removes all Gnome 1.x and 2.x Read it first, and get > this confirmed by someone who knows a bit more about FBSD than I. > > Anthony > > On Thursday 17 April 2003 19:57, Johnson David wrote: > > On Thursday 17 April 2003 09:05 am, Bborie Park wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm trying to remove Grnome2 from my system. Doing pkg_delete only > > > removes gnome2-2.2.1, not all its associating files/libraries. So, > > > how do i completely remove Gnome2? > > > > Ah, a tough one. The problem is that there are several dozen > > dependencies for Gnome. Remove too many and you break other stuff. I > > did this once and it was a timeconsuming affair. There is no simple way > > to do this that I am aware of. > > > > Basically you need to find out what Gnome2 actually installed, then > > remove them manually. A place to start is to use "pkgversion -R > > gnome2", which will list all dependencies of an installed gnome2 > > package. But BEWARE! This will list *all* dependencies, including those > > required elsewhere. You do not want to remove all of this. So prune the > > list by hand. Then use -i and -n when using pkg_delete to see just what > > would be removed. > > > > I should redirect you to the freebsd-gnome mailing list where they may > > have a complete list of packages that they can give you. > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 18 04:47:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BB137B401 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx6.mail.ru (mx6.mail.ru [194.67.57.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FDF43FA3 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 04:47:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bogorodskiy@inbox.ru) Received: from [217.23.66.38] (port=32829 helo=localhost.localdomain) by mx6.mail.ru with smtp id 196UKc-0005bo-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:47:03 +0400 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 15:45:51 +0400 From: Roman Bogorodskiy To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20030418154551.5a88f971.bogorodskiy@inbox.ru> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.8 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i586-alt-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 11:47:05 -0000 -Roman Bogorodskiy [Novel] From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 18 10:20:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076A037B404 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:20:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D370A43FDD for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDJ0058BUTI67@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:10:35 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id GNSXQ2VG; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:12:02 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 10:20:13 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304180811.33191.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> To: CARTER Anthony , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304181020.14019.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304171605.h3HG5j825520@andrena.ucdavis.edu> <200304180809.57060.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> <200304180811.33191.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Subject: Re: Gnome2 Removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 17:20:48 -0000 On Thursday 17 April 2003 11:11 pm, CARTER Anthony wrote: > After reading the article again, I think you'll find it removes ALL > your apps too (and if I remember doing it myself, removes KDE too). > They will have to be re-installed... Yep, it removes everything that depends on pkgconfig, all the way down to XFree86... David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 18 19:10:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2126337B401 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496E743FE0 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3J2ABUp040819 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3J2AArk040815 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200304190210.h3J2AArk040815@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 02:10:12 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. 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We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________