From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 20 18:50:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598D137B401; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.228.215.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9980143FE1; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7C3C8AE58E; Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030420071001.7C3C8AE58E@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-03-30 - 2003-04-19 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 01:50:09 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 11-Apr : Using foo+bar@ email addresses with Postfix and procmail This is easy to do, but hard to find the info http://freebsddiary.org/procmail-foo+bar-addresses.php?2 1-Apr : FreeBSD/NetBSD to merge It's about time! http://freebsddiary.org/fretbsd.php?2 10-Mar : Home networks are everywhere Creating one from scratch can be fun http://freebsddiary.org/wap.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 19 01:53:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFA837B401 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webtec.net.au (webtec.conceptual.net.au [203.190.192.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472043F85 for ; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 01:53:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnno@postmark.net) Received: from littlejohn (dialup-199-168.webtec.net.au [::ffff:203.190.199.168]) by webtec.net.au with esmtp; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:53:19 +0800 Message-ID: <000801c30651$22550260$0400a8c0@littlejohn> From: "John" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:53:20 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 10:39:17 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 08:53:26 -0000 Hi Whats the Maximum hard disk requirments to do a Full install of FreeBSD? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 11:06:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C5A37B404 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutvdom.kundenserver.de (moutvdom.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251CB43FE1 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 11:06:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benjamin@khlav-kalasch.de) Received: from [212.227.126.223] (helo=mrvdomng.kundenserver.de) by moutvdom.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 197fga-0000B0-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:06:36 +0200 Received: from [217.80.65.57] (helo=gettho) by mrvdomng.kundenserver.de with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 197fgZ-00074O-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:06:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:06:36 +0000 From: Benjamin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gro=DF?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030421200636.20be603d.benjamin@khlav-kalasch.de> In-Reply-To: <000801c30651$22550260$0400a8c0@littlejohn> References: <000801c30651$22550260$0400a8c0@littlejohn> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 18:06:38 -0000 im using FreeBSD 5-CURRENT and im using near to 3gigs of space for data - a lot of program's installed. but a mini FreeBSD install needs only a few hundred megs. do u have a so small harddrive? vya Benjamin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 21 13:03:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75EAE37B401 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rasmus.uib.no (rasmus.uib.no [129.177.13.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1982043FBD for ; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 13:03:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from are-harald.brenne@econ.uib.no) Received: from (billfish) [129.177.43.13] by rasmus.uib.no for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 197hVA-0003So-00; Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:02:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:03:18 +0200 From: Are-Harald Brenne To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030421220318.00004d6e.are-harald.brenne@econ.uib.no> In-Reply-To: <000801c30651$22550260$0400a8c0@littlejohn> References: <000801c30651$22550260$0400a8c0@littlejohn> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.3.0; Win32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-checked-clean: by exiscan on rasmus X-Scanner: 6b19582a913be9fd931af61e7a95146c http://tjinfo.uib.no/virus.html X-UiB-SpamFlag: NO UIB: -32 hits, 13.0 required X-UiB-SpamReport: spamassassin found; * -6.6 -- Has a valid-looking References header * -3.3 -- Has a In-Reply-To header * -6.5 -- BODY: Contains what looks like an email attribution * -3.2 -- BODY: Contains what looks like a quoted email text * 0.7 -- BODY: Contains a line >=199 characters long * -7.0 -- Message received from UIB * -6.5 -- Reply with quoted text Subject: Re: Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:03:02 -0000 On Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:53:20 +0800 "John" wrote: > Hi > Whats the Maximum hard disk requirments to do a Full install of FreeBSD? The base system of a minimum install (which is all you should need) of 5.0-release takes about 140 mb. In addition to this you want some swap and room for the user applications/packages. If you want X, you should probably have as an absolute minimum have 500 mb. Cheers, Are From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 01:34:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C7837B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC2D43FBD for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:34:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3M8hO1d027792 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:43:24 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:31:45 +0200 Received: from intra241.intrasoft.lu (212.190.217.170 [212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id JD53XYFA; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:31:44 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:35:21 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304221035.21578.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-101.5 required=4.2 tests=TRACKER_ID,USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.50 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.50 (1.173-2003-02-20-exp) Subject: silly question but can't think... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 08:34:58 -0000 Got a file with the following: cjrOincoirNvronORGNAMEjfiojfoiznvorznvozrnov Want to remove /ORGNAME/ for that file and pipe back out to a file, same or otherwise... Thanks, Anthony From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 02:12:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACC637B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF7D43FE1 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 02:12:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6051524394; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:12:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id E2E0A2438F; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:12:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:12:12 +0200 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: CARTER Anthony Message-ID: <20030422091212.GD90834@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <200304221035.21578.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200304221035.21578.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/pgp.txt X-3w: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS (prioris) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: silly question but can't think... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:12:20 -0000 On Tue, Apr 22, 2003 at 10:35:21AM +0200, CARTER Anthony wrote: > Got a file with the following: > > > cjrOincoirNvronORGNAMEjfiojfoiznvorznvozrnov > > Want to remove /ORGNAME/ for that file and pipe back out to a file, same or > otherwise... > sed -e 's/ORGNAME//' greg -- Grzegorz Czaplinski "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 12:00:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AEA37B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdm.pl (wdm.pl [80.244.136.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 03CE843FA3 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:00:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavroche@wdm.pl) Received: (qmail 73888 invoked by uid 1121); 22 Apr 2003 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gavroche.biz) (gavroche@80.244.136.34) by 0 with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 19:10:56 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:00:53 +0200 From: Dominik =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=AFy=B3a?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030422210053.714b8218.gavroche@wdm.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can you see me? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:00:49 -0000 123 can you see me? ;> From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 12:16:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708CA37B405 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:16:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maildmz.bsantander.com.mx (gfsm2.bsantander.com.mx [170.169.46.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E0743FBF for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:16:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vickallen@bsantander.com.mx) Received: from mailsrv ([170.169.46.200]) by maildmz.bsantander.com.mx (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HDREUM00.CVC for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:15:58 -0500 Received: from bsantander.com.mx ([180.175.192.95])23 2003)) freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:16:48 -0500 From: Victor Leo Kallen Soto Sender: victkall@bsantander.com.mx To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Message-id: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Subject: Oracle, Tuxedo, for FreeBSD tech. support ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:16:23 -0000 Hello, Do you know actually who is supporting : oracle, tuxedo, samba, running ON FreeBSD ?? Do you know about any (recent) posibilites to to have a native FreeBSD version of tuxedo and oracle ?? Any comment on the above ?? Thanks... Victor Kallen From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 12:20:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C02C37B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdm.pl (wdm.pl [80.244.136.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40E6943FBD for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:20:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavroche@wdm.pl) Received: (qmail 75283 invoked by uid 1121); 22 Apr 2003 19:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gavroche.biz) (gavroche@80.244.136.34) by 0 with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 19:30:28 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:20:26 +0200 From: Dominik =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=AFy=B3a?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030422212026.1deab5b0.gavroche@wdm.pl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 1, 2, 3, can you see me? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:20:22 -0000 1, 2, 3, can you see me? ;> From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 12:25:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EB237B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iota.root-servers.ch (iota.root-servers.ch [193.41.193.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 77DA943FCB for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:25:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 11439 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2003 19:25:47 -0000 Received: from dclient80-218-106-179.hispeed.ch (HELO gaxp1800.root.li) (80.218.106.179) by 0 with SMTP; 22 Apr 2003 19:25:47 -0000 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:27:42 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <12620282015.20030422212742@buz.ch> To: Victor Leo Kallen Soto In-Reply-To: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> References: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle, Tuxedo, for FreeBSD tech. support ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 19:25:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Victor, Tuesday, April 22, 2003, 9:16:48 PM, you wrote: > Do you know actually who is supporting : > oracle, tuxedo, samba, running ON FreeBSD ?? > Do you know about any (recent) posibilites to > to have a native FreeBSD version of > tuxedo and oracle ?? > Any comment on the above ?? If you need Oracle, don't use FreeBSD, it's not officially supported and for the money it costs, you really don't want to run it on unsupported platforms (SuSE Linux being one of several free supported ones). Besides, the Linuxolator very well works but still it's a hack and in my case certainly not something I'd want to base the future of my business on. If you want to use FreeBSD, stick to Postgresql or Firebird (GPL'ed Interbase) or maybe SAPdb (which has got a largely Oracle compatible mode). Lets you also safe lots and lots of money (that is if your apps run without Oracle, of course [1]). As to Samba, that one hardly needs support. You just need to watch out to apply their fixes on time. I think there are some FreeBSD support companies but none as big as the Linux crowd but their staff might very well be more competent than the average Linux supporter. Tuxedo I've never even heard about. As for native Oracle on FreeBSD, I wouldn't hold my breath as few people would even want it. Best regards, Gabriel [1] Too bad Compiere still doesn't. Gna. Oracle is a bitch to install on whatever OS and I really don't feel like going thru that trouble just to give Compiere a test ride. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBPqWJocZa2WpymlDxAQHK0gf/SBNSmReGFvHePFKl5/iMpxwhjz6BcZ2p Gf5HTZKdHCAMz8dfYGrkYFqQrJoGy/Nv/kY9mcbcKnuOn2qRrqWBNsXdSD7sEXEI fI1qgIFH6jDdzSumPbq9kjfPIIgl6C/5RxrMhAus8pBvU0XqRwEJ5QXJLoB4gtr4 nCNH/ucwzuZu6C93WUgN+iPvQUNFIdFdMR5B4FpVT8WhpgyC4R3UIWRif8UiM+r8 lTjXdiMa52MW+eO5GvSdjVWOT4GwRpe5Dqm+Tw4hg72Y1tI77+tctZumLK32en5d /fMRvMv9Gr7G5nwKsDoYof/bGzsfCTH2Cpx8yZOoieQbKeQi4eI1Uw== =TMWy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 14:15:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB06D37B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8685E43F3F for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rossmclachlan@ntlworld.com) Received: from ross ([62.252.137.7]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030422211519.YOTG2283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@ross>; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:15:19 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c30914$3e002a60$0500000a@ross> From: "Ross McLachlan" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dominik_=AFy=B3a?= , References: <20030422212026.1deab5b0.gavroche@wdm.pl> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:14:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, can you see me? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:15:23 -0000 Yes we can.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominik Żyła" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: 1, 2, 3, can you see me? > 1, 2, 3, can you see me? ;> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 15:27:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF9237B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maildmz.bsantander.com.mx (gfsm2.bsantander.com.mx [170.169.46.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D82743F93 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:27:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vickallen@bsantander.com.mx) Received: from mailsrv ([170.169.46.200]) by maildmz.bsantander.com.mx (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HDRNOV00.QYN for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:26:55 -0500 Received: from bsantander.com.mx ([180.175.192.95])23 2003)) freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:23:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:28:10 -0500 From: Victor Leo Kallen Soto Sender: victkall@bsantander.com.mx To: gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch Message-id: <3EA5C1FA.ED9474AB@bsantander.com.mx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> <12620282015.20030422212742@buz.ch> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle, Tuxedo, for FreeBSD tech. support ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:27:21 -0000 Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hello Victor, > > Tuesday, April 22, 2003, 9:16:48 PM, you wrote: > > Do you know actually who is supporting : > > oracle, tuxedo, samba, running ON FreeBSD ?? > > > Do you know about any (recent) posibilites to > > to have a native FreeBSD version of > > tuxedo and oracle ?? > > > Any comment on the above ?? > > If you need Oracle, don't use FreeBSD, it's not officially supported > and for the money it costs, you really don't want to run it on > unsupported platforms (SuSE Linux being one of several free supported > ones). Besides, the Linuxolator very well works but still it's a > hack and in my case certainly not something I'd want to base the > future of my business on. > > If you want to use FreeBSD, stick to Postgresql or Firebird (GPL'ed > Interbase) or maybe SAPdb (which has got a largely Oracle compatible > mode). Lets you also safe lots and lots of money (that is if your apps > run without Oracle, of course [1]). > > As to Samba, that one hardly needs support. You just need to watch out > to apply their fixes on time. I think there are some FreeBSD > support companies but none as big as the Linux crowd but their staff > might very well be more competent than the average Linux supporter. > > Tuxedo I've never even heard about. > > As for native Oracle on FreeBSD, I wouldn't hold my breath as few > people > would even want it. > > Best regards, > Gabriel > > [1] Too bad Compiere still doesn't. Gna. Oracle is a bitch to install > on whatever OS and I really don't feel like going thru that trouble > just to give Compiere a test ride. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 6.0.2i > > iQEVAwUBPqWJocZa2WpymlDxAQHK0gf/SBNSmReGFvHePFKl5/iMpxwhjz6BcZ2p > Gf5HTZKdHCAMz8dfYGrkYFqQrJoGy/Nv/kY9mcbcKnuOn2qRrqWBNsXdSD7sEXEI > fI1qgIFH6jDdzSumPbq9kjfPIIgl6C/5RxrMhAus8pBvU0XqRwEJ5QXJLoB4gtr4 > nCNH/ucwzuZu6C93WUgN+iPvQUNFIdFdMR5B4FpVT8WhpgyC4R3UIWRif8UiM+r8 > lTjXdiMa52MW+eO5GvSdjVWOT4GwRpe5Dqm+Tw4hg72Y1tI77+tctZumLK32en5d > /fMRvMv9Gr7G5nwKsDoYof/bGzsfCTH2Cpx8yZOoieQbKeQi4eI1Uw== > =TMWy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I must agree with you..., and I like FreeBSD. I am working very well with FreeBSD (better than Linux or NT), so..., I will be looking for more help, maybe... Thanks very much for your comments. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 22 15:44:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC7A37B401 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A85943FDD for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:44:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from xeon@austin.rr.com) Received: from heruth (cs666823-113.austin.rr.com [66.68.23.113]) h3MMifkP010451 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:44:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003d01c30920$ba1704a0$6400a8c0@heruth> From: "xeon" To: References: <20030422212026.1deab5b0.gavroche@wdm.pl> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 17:44:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, can you see me? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 22:44:46 -0000 (Non-7bit-ASCII-character-set-using-name) wrote: > 1, 2, 3, can you see me? ;> Nope. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 01:38:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455BB37B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:38:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from issv0171.isis.de (issv0171.isis.de [195.158.131.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA96C43F75 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 01:38:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from charlie@begeistert.org) Received: (qmail 28744 invoked by uid 1010); 23 Apr 2003 08:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wonderland.1051083395.fake) ([213.128.126.206]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.isis.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 23 Apr 2003 08:38:51 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:38:54 +0200 From: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <12620282015.20030422212742@buz.ch> Message-Id: <20030423103854.883.1@wonderland.1051083395.fake> Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> <12620282015.20030422212742@buz.ch> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: Beam devel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Oracle, Tuxedo, for FreeBSD tech. support ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:38:54 -0000 On 2003-04-22 at 21:27:42 [+0200], Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Tuxedo I've never even heard about. I thought Tuxedo was a web server for Linux running as a kernel process. I'd be surprised if that would be possible on BSD but I don't think it's a good idea anyway unless you can essentially reduce the kernel to being just a web server. Charlie From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 02:16:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC07137B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iota.root-servers.ch (iota.root-servers.ch [193.41.193.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5433F43F3F for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 02:16:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch) Received: (qmail 43301 invoked from network); 23 Apr 2003 09:16:41 -0000 Received: from dclient80-218-106-179.hispeed.ch (HELO gaxp1800.root.li) (80.218.106.179) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2003 09:16:41 -0000 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 11:18:02 +0200 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <112670102546.20030423111802@buz.ch> To: Charlie Clark In-Reply-To: <20030423103854.883.1@wonderland.1051083395.fake> References: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> <12620282015.20030422212742@buz.ch> <20030423103854.883.1@wonderland.1051083395.fake> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: Oracle, Tuxedo, for FreeBSD tech. support ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:16:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Charlie, Wednesday, April 23, 2003, 10:38:54 AM, you wrote: >> Tuxedo I've never even heard about. > I thought Tuxedo was a web server for Linux running as a kernel process. > I'd be surprised if that would be possible on BSD but I don't think it's a > good idea anyway unless you can essentially reduce the kernel to being just > a web server. I thought that one was called just tux. Anyway, I always found the idea to be utter most stupid... It would surely be possible to implement something like that on FreeBSD but the Linux edition for damn sure won't work. Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2i iQEVAwUBPqZMP8Za2WpymlDxAQE8yggAwJ2c1XWsNBURMIVLN6gic4uTeTx0avYQ 9T6HWTEm83dK/i4JRliDtv3g1PXK0+n/i48yGjcnZlRjVbJxLDuMdNHHfMcqXsYt FxrmRotNwNq+B2b/dzvbnG5maMzAxHuF9XswViZYMkybiZauHZoSutdXwQ6tbzY2 dsOYI6yBl8Z6XUNb9ZgERqZf7fLBpFibAW6o0VhY7ys3inJKG1GcsP9xv0k9PYz8 yNW2oomlU1QcvEd3clG6zXQimQI7r/5oYHnbHXTMjUceHdGG3xsmPXwRLLfPJ9YE LWKJ7ipC/1dy2CdsWMr57+5kKdpS6oUHTeX8+E4UPCTiRXqdGyvc7Q== =XliM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 08:00:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF7D37B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maildmz.bsantander.com.mx (gfsm2.bsantander.com.mx [170.169.46.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3BD843FA3 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 08:00:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vickallen@bsantander.com.mx) Received: from mailsrv ([170.169.46.200]) by maildmz.bsantander.com.mx (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HDSXO800.N38 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:00:08 -0500 Received: from bsantander.com.mx ([180.175.192.95])23 2003)) freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 09:57:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:01:21 -0500 From: Victor Leo Kallen Soto Sender: victkall@bsantander.com.mx To: Charlie Clark Message-id: <3EA6AAC0.7FB51B47@bsantander.com.mx> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <3EA5951F.72D5B9E9@bsantander.com.mx> <12620282015.20030422212742@buz.ch> <20030423103854.883.1@wonderland.1051083395.fake> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle, Tuxedo, for FreeBSD tech. support ?? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:00:28 -0000 Charlie Clark wrote: > On 2003-04-22 at 21:27:42 [+0200], Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > > > Tuxedo I've never even heard about. > > I thought Tuxedo was a web server for Linux running as a kernel process. > I'd be surprised if that would be possible on BSD but I don't think it's a > good idea anyway unless you can essentially reduce the kernel to being just > a web server. > > Charlie > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Nop. Widely known, tuxedo is a transaction server with a c/c++ API and a COBOL API. Runs in many architectures, but it seems not to have support when run on FreeBSD. Am looking for that support. Victor Kallen From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 18:07:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8783C37B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E222943FA3 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:07:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comcast.net) Received: from pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comcast.net (pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comcast.net [68.51.227.174]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.12 (built Feb 13 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HDT00MM2PRIFM@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comcast.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 42AA949F81; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:07:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:07:46 -0500 From: Mike To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:07:54 -0000 I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I thought I would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I have been using FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was using Linux before so it was not much of a shock making the switch.Actually I still have linux on another partition.I havn't booted it in a while though.The only thing I havn't got working yet is my usb quickcam express.I am using cvsup to update my sources and portupgrade to compile the programs I am using.Last night I ran make world for the first time.It was pretty cool. Mike From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 18:36:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA5637B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E5243F93 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:36:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from fuzz.socal.rr.com (cpe-24-165-65-83.socal.rr.com [24.165.65.83])h3O1XOY25324 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:33:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schenk To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:36:37 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> In-Reply-To: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:36:19 -0000 On Wednesday 23 April 2003 07:07 pm, Mike wrote: > I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I > thought I would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I > have been using FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was > using Linux before so it was not much of a shock making the > switch.Actually I still have linux on another partition.I havn't booted > it in a while though.The only thing I havn't got working yet is my usb > quickcam express.I am using cvsup to update my sources and portupgrade > to compile the programs I am using.Last night I ran make world for the > first time.It was pretty cool. > > Mike Hi Mike, Sounds like you've been quite successful. I've been working on FreeBSD an hour here and there for several months now. I'm presently on my third install. My only problem now is printing. That will be solved soon, I'm sure. I haven't booted Windows in a month. I like FreeBSD a lot. Learn something new almost everyday. That's the fun part. Gary From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 19:09:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D415237B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host16.christianwebhost.com (host16.christianwebhost.com [209.239.42.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E3E43FB1 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:09:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@milneweb.com) Received: from milneweb.com (host140.dsl1.blackfoot.net [12.32.44.140]) h3O294c31108 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:09:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:10:05 -0600 From: Peter Milne To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030423201005.4f1eaaa7.peter@milneweb.com> In-Reply-To: <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:09:07 -0000 > Sounds like you've been quite successful. I've been working on FreeBSD an > hour here and there for several months now. I'm presently on my third > install. My only problem now is printing. That will be solved soon, > Gary Well...I certainly wish I could make heads or tails with printing. I am trying to figure it out now....havent a clue! -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:00:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C5337B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web21202.mail.yahoo.com (web21202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 576DB43F3F for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:00:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marloncorleone@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030424030032.10824.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [203.76.203.125] by web21202.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:00:32 PDT Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: marlon corleone To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030422190056.539D937B405@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: cant write on my msdos partition :/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:00:34 -0000 hi all. i have a msdos windows 98 2nd partition, when im about to save a file to that particular partition, i received this message: The file could not be save please check if you have a write permission. though i set rw in the fstab options, still i cant able to write in msdos partition, i tried remounting it by: mount -o rw -t msdos /dev/ad0s1 /win98 after that i try to write a file in the 2nd partition but it wont write, hope anyone had a tip to fix this. thanks this is my fstab file: # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass# /dev/ad0s2b none swap sw 0 0 /dev/ad0s2a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad0s2f /tmp ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s2g /usr ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s2e /var ufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad0s1 /win98 msdos rw 0 0 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 rw,noauto 0 0 /dev/fd0 /floppy msdos rw,noauto 1 1 proc /proc procfs rw __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:20:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E18B37B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.infinithost.com (mail.infinithost.com [64.7.176.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B555A43F85 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:20:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mikeal@infinithost.com) Received: from anshar.infinithost.com ([64.7.176.7]:56764) by mail.infinithost.com with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 198XHg-000How-MI; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:20:28 -0500 From: Michael Clark To: Mike Message-Id: <20030405221853.466abfea.Mikeal@infinithost.com> In-Reply-To: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> Organization: Infinithost X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:20:36 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:18:53 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:20:36 -0000 Hello Mike, ya not many people seem to post to this list anymore. I signed up a long time ago. Ive been running FreeBSD for going on 2 years now. Thou i cant share your camera problems as i dont normally use FreeBSD as a desktop OS, I am just not starting to. ( check out fluxbox in ports for a xfree86 desktop its fast and simple ) portupgrade is a great utility. Mikeal On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:07:46 -0500 Mike wrote: > I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I thought I would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I have been using FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was using Linux before so it was not much of a shock making the switch.Actually I still have linux on another partition.I havn't booted it in a while though.The only thing I havn't got working yet is my usb quickcam express.I am using cvsup to update my sources and portupgrade to compile the programs I am using.Last night I ran make world for the first time.It was pretty cool. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:21:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDF037B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:21:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.infinithost.com (mail.infinithost.com [64.7.176.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FFD843FDD for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:21:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mikeal@infinithost.com) Received: from anshar.infinithost.com ([64.7.176.7]:56766) by mail.infinithost.com with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 198XIu-000Hpb-LI for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:21:44 -0500 From: Michael Clark To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030405222009.10e7cbd3.Mikeal@infinithost.com> In-Reply-To: <20030423201005.4f1eaaa7.peter@milneweb.com> References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> <20030423201005.4f1eaaa7.peter@milneweb.com> Organization: Infinithost X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:21:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:20:09 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:21:46 -0000 Pete try using CUPS its in the ports tree On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:10:05 -0600 Peter Milne wrote: > > > Sounds like you've been quite successful. I've been working on FreeBSD an > > hour here and there for several months now. I'm presently on my third > > install. My only problem now is printing. That will be solved soon, > > Gary > > Well...I certainly wish I could make heads or tails with printing. I am trying to figure it out now....havent a clue! > > -- > Pete > > http://milneweb.com > http://nomorevirus.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:23:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F1737B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:23:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host16.christianwebhost.com (host16.christianwebhost.com [209.239.42.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398ED43FDD for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@milneweb.com) Received: from milneweb.com (host140.dsl1.blackfoot.net [12.32.44.140]) h3O3NUc08194 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:23:30 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:24:32 -0600 From: Peter Milne To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030423212432.7a30e853.peter@milneweb.com> In-Reply-To: <20030405222009.10e7cbd3.Mikeal@infinithost.com> References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> <20030423201005.4f1eaaa7.peter@milneweb.com> <20030405222009.10e7cbd3.Mikeal@infinithost.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:23:33 -0000 On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:20:09 +0000 Michael Clark wrote: > Pete try using CUPS > its in the ports tree Just got CUPS loaded but what to do with it is the problem I am having at this time. I imagine if I read volumes of man pages I could figure it out but I dont have the desire to get a doctorate in it at this time. ";o) -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:25:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0212D37B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.infinithost.com (mail.infinithost.com [64.7.176.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533A943F75 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:25:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mikeal@infinithost.com) Received: from anshar.infinithost.com ([64.7.176.7]:56770) by mail.infinithost.com with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 198XM7-000HqO-Kz for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:25:03 -0500 From: Michael Clark To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030405222328.1e163b98.Mikeal@infinithost.com> In-Reply-To: <20030423212432.7a30e853.peter@milneweb.com> References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> <20030423201005.4f1eaaa7.peter@milneweb.com> <20030405222009.10e7cbd3.Mikeal@infinithost.com> <20030423212432.7a30e853.peter@milneweb.com> Organization: Infinithost X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:25:05 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:23:28 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:25:05 -0000 just use google hehe its not to complicated. On Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:24:32 -0600 Peter Milne wrote: > On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:20:09 +0000 > Michael Clark wrote: > > > Pete try using CUPS > > its in the ports tree > > Just got CUPS loaded but what to do with it is the problem I am having at this time. I imagine if I read volumes of man pages I could figure it out but I dont have the desire to get a doctorate in it at this time. ";o) > -- > Pete > > http://milneweb.com > http://nomorevirus.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:33:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7647337B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host16.christianwebhost.com (host16.christianwebhost.com [209.239.42.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9079B43FBD for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:33:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@milneweb.com) Received: from milneweb.com (host140.dsl1.blackfoot.net [12.32.44.140]) h3O3XVc09427 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:33:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:34:33 -0600 From: Peter Milne To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030423213433.3054ca4b.peter@milneweb.com> In-Reply-To: <20030405222328.1e163b98.Mikeal@infinithost.com> References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> <200304231836.37218.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> <20030423201005.4f1eaaa7.peter@milneweb.com> <20030405222009.10e7cbd3.Mikeal@infinithost.com> <20030423212432.7a30e853.peter@milneweb.com> <20030405222328.1e163b98.Mikeal@infinithost.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:33:35 -0000 On Sat, 5 Apr 2003 22:23:28 +0000 Michael Clark wrote: > just use google hehe > its not to complicated. Yeah, finding it now...got to figure out what the password is to get into it though. ";o) -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 23 20:41:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B82437B401 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8549843FB1 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:41:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HDT00EKSWXHAT@net.WAU.NL> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:41:42 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:41:18 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HDT00EKTWXHAT@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 03:41:45 -0000 Hey Mike, welcome on the list here! I see you've got a lot of good comments on your problem there, so... nothing to add :) I'm using FreeBSD for a few months now, tried unsuccesfully a few Linux-distro before that (I managed to get VectorLinux working, but it was too slow for me :) ). I've tried OpenBSD and NetBSD also, but the amount of packages got me back to FreeBSD and the next thing I did is removing Window$. Haven't missed it yet :) The only thing I miss is my scanner, I do not get it to work (tried using Sane, but I guess my scanner is too old...). Not that I need my scanner that much, so... Tried to ask it on freebsd-questions but got no response :( Hope you continue liking FreeBSD, at least I will :) On Wednesday 23 April 2003 07:07 pm, Mike wrote: > I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I > thought I would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I > have been using FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was > using Linux before so it was not much of a shock making the > switch.Actually I still have linux on another partition.I havn't booted > it in a while though.The only thing I havn't got working yet is my usb > quickcam express.I am using cvsup to update my sources and portupgrade > to compile the programs I am using.Last night I ran make world for the > first time.It was pretty cool. > > Mike From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 01:29:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 943E537B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:29:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archimedes.rsn.bth.se (archimedes.rsn.bth.se [194.47.145.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2747343FE9 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:29:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Received: from jarl.home.se (as4-3-5.paa.hs.bonet.se [217.215.11.194]) by archimedes.rsn.bth.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3O91PYd021375; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424102411.00baacb8@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> X-Sender: jalle@archimedes.rsn.bth.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:29:04 +0200 To: marlon corleone , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Jalle In-Reply-To: <20030424030032.10824.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030422190056.539D937B405@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: cant write on my msdos partition :/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:29:07 -0000 Hey! Again, technical questions belong in freebsd-questions mailing list. You should try to post it there. However (I'm not an expert) but I don't think you can write to a DOS-partition unless you are root, no matter how you mount it... But you should really try posting it to questions... /Jalle At 20:00 2003-04-23 -0700, marlon corleone wrote: >hi all. i have a msdos windows 98 2nd partition, when >im about to save a file to that particular partition, >i received this message: > >The file could not be save please check if you have a >write permission. > >though i set rw in the fstab options, still i cant >able to write in msdos partition, i tried remounting >it by: mount -o rw -t msdos /dev/ad0s1 /win98 > >after that i try to write a file in the 2nd partition >but it wont write, hope anyone had a tip to fix this. >thanks > >this is my fstab file: > > ># Device Mountpoint FStype >Options Dump Pass# >/dev/ad0s2b none swap sw > 0 0 >/dev/ad0s2a / ufs rw > 1 1 >/dev/ad0s2f /tmp ufs rw > 2 2 >/dev/ad0s2g /usr ufs rw > 2 2 >/dev/ad0s2e /var ufs rw > 2 2 >/dev/ad0s1 /win98 msdos rw > 0 0 >/dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 >ro,noauto 0 0 >/dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 >rw,noauto 0 0 >/dev/fd0 /floppy msdos >rw,noauto 1 1 >proc /proc procfs rw From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 01:35:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE0C137B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archimedes.rsn.bth.se (archimedes.rsn.bth.se [194.47.145.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD10E43FAF for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 01:35:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Received: from jarl.home.se (as4-3-5.paa.hs.bonet.se [217.215.11.194]) by archimedes.rsn.bth.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h3O984Yd021393 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:08:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030424102910.00bb62e8@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> X-Sender: jalle@archimedes.rsn.bth.se X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:35:43 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Jalle In-Reply-To: <0HDT00EKTWXHAT@net.WAU.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:35:44 -0000 Aah! Mike, you're a hero! I've been thinking of doing what you have done for a long time, just to get something going on this list! Few months ago I switched from my dual boot- Win2k & FreeBSD- to plain FreeBSD, and I have still to see what Windows can do that FreeBSD can't. Apart from the device drivers that is... Hope to get more people into *BSD, it would be better for all of us! See ya! /Jalle At 05:41 2003-04-24 +0107, Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: >Hey Mike, welcome on the list here! > >I see you've got a lot of good comments on your problem there, so... >nothing to add :) >I'm using FreeBSD for a few months now, tried unsuccesfully a few >Linux-distro before that (I managed to get VectorLinux working, but it was >too slow for me :) ). I've tried OpenBSD and NetBSD also, but the amount of >packages got me back to FreeBSD and the next thing I did is removing >Window$. Haven't missed it yet :) >The only thing I miss is my scanner, I do not get it to work (tried using >Sane, but I guess my scanner is too old...). Not that I need my scanner >that much, so... Tried to ask it on freebsd-questions but got no response >:( > >Hope you continue liking FreeBSD, at least I will :) > >On Wednesday 23 April 2003 07:07 pm, Mike wrote: > > I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I > > thought I would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I > > have been using FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was > > using Linux before so it was not much of a shock making the > > switch.Actually I still have linux on another partition.I havn't booted > > it in a while though.The only thing I havn't got working yet is my usb > > quickcam express.I am using cvsup to update my sources and portupgrade > > to compile the programs I am using.Last night I ran make world for the > > first time.It was pretty cool. > > > > Mike >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 04:08:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4758137B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f48.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE08643FB1 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 04:08:18 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:08:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: sublist@comcast.net Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:08:17 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Apr 2003 11:08:18.0512 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF6C5D00:01C30A51] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:08:19 -0000 >Mike wrote: > >I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I >thought I >would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I have >been using >FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was using >Linux before so it >was not much of a shock making the switch.Actually I >still have linux on another >partition.I havn't booted it in a while >though.The only thing I havn't got >working yet is my usb quickcam >express.I am using cvsup to update my sources and >portupgrade to compile >the programs I am using.Last night I ran make world for >the first time.It >was pretty cool. > >Mike Hi mike, Welcome to the community. (Too many great things about FreeBSD to list here...) I mostly just wanted to add my own newbie experience from doing a make buildworld myself. While I thought everything had gone great throughout the process, I began to get some wierd errors from ipfw. (ipfw list caused a seg. fault, as did the security output for 'passwordless accounts'.) After learning far more than any newbie wants to about the files in /etc, I finally found the solution buried deep in the ipfw man page. (Most of the way towards the end, there's a little paragraph stating that you have to set IPFW2=TRUE in /etc/make.conf before running the buildworld.) It sounds like your right on track though. Good luck getting that quickcam up and running; and, good luck in all your endeavors. Happy Hacking, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 05:09:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E22437B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cobalt.4gl.com (cobalt.4gl.com [66.212.110.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB5743FB1 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 05:09:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ttyson@championelevators.com) Received: from 201 (node-97-98.4gl.com [66.212.97.98] (may be forged)) by cobalt.4gl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08861; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:26:37 -0500 From: "Terry Tyson" To: "marlon corleone" , Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:08:42 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030424030032.10824.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: cant write on my msdos partition :/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:09:34 -0000 Marlon, I just went through this myself. You must also have rights to the devise itself. 1) chgrp ? /dev/ad0s1 where "?" is the group you want to have access. 2) chmod ### /dev/ad0s1 where ### is the permission values you want. See the handbook for details. If you have any other questions, please let me know. Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of marlon corleone > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 10:01 PM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: cant write on my msdos partition :/ > > > hi all. i have a msdos windows 98 2nd partition, when > im about to save a file to that particular partition, > i received this message: > > The file could not be save please check if you have a > write permission. > > though i set rw in the fstab options, still i cant > able to write in msdos partition, i tried remounting > it by: mount -o rw -t msdos /dev/ad0s1 /win98 > > after that i try to write a file in the 2nd partition > but it wont write, hope anyone had a tip to fix this. > thanks > > this is my fstab file: > > > # Device Mountpoint FStype > Options Dump Pass# > /dev/ad0s2b none swap sw > 0 0 > /dev/ad0s2a / ufs rw > 1 1 > /dev/ad0s2f /tmp ufs rw > 2 2 > /dev/ad0s2g /usr ufs rw > 2 2 > /dev/ad0s2e /var ufs rw > 2 2 > /dev/ad0s1 /win98 msdos rw > 0 0 > /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 > ro,noauto 0 0 > /dev/acd1c /cdrom1 cd9660 > rw,noauto 0 0 > /dev/fd0 /floppy msdos > rw,noauto 1 1 > proc /proc procfs rw > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo > http://search.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 07:18:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37A537B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cobalt.4gl.com (cobalt.4gl.com [66.212.110.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2343A43F93 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:18:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ttyson@championelevators.com) Received: from 201 (node-97-98.4gl.com [66.212.97.98] (may be forged)) by cobalt.4gl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15605; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:35:21 -0500 From: "Terry Tyson" To: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:17:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <0HDU00I7FPXQSR@net.WAU.NL> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal cc: FreeBSD Newbies Subject: RE: cant write on my msdos partition :/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:18:19 -0000 In /etc/sysctl.conf add the line vfs.usermount=1 and see if this does the trick. If this line is already there just as shown here, I'm out of ideas. Let me know how it goes. Terry > -----Original Message----- > From: Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek [mailto:FST777@phreaker.net] > Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 10:01 AM > To: Terry Tyson > Subject: RE: cant write on my msdos partition :/ > > > > I know this all, but still I can't get my floppy-drives mounted as user... > > I now mount these drives using portoseguro wich is started as root by > xdm... not the most secure solution, but it works. > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Terry Tyson wrote: > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:08:42 -0500 > > To: "marlon corleone" , > > > > From: "Terry Tyson" > > Subject: RE: cant write on my msdos partition :/ > > > > Marlon, > > > > I just went through this myself. You must also have rights to the devise > > itself. > > > > 1) chgrp ? /dev/ad0s1 > > where "?" is the group you want to have access. > > > > 2) chmod ### /dev/ad0s1 > > where ### is the permission values you want. See the handbook for > > details. > > > > If you have any other questions, please let me know. > > > > Terry > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 07:23:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C8937B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailandnews.com (smw01.shanjemail.com [209.81.157.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2508443FCB for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:23:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nicolich@mailandnews.com) Received: from [63.210.127.174] (nicolich@mailandnews.com) by mailandnews.com; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:39:34 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: mailandnews.com; Thu, 24 Apr 03 02:39:34 -0400 Message-ID: <200304232340270110.0016FF61@mailandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <20030424030032.10824.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030424030032.10824.qmail@web21202.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Calypso Version 3.30.00.00 (3) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:40:27 -0800 From: "Eric 'Nick' Nicolich" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: cant write on my msdos partition :/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 14:23:44 -0000 On 4/23/03 at 8:00 PM marlon corleone wrote: >hi all. i have a msdos windows 98 2nd partition, when >im about to save a file to that particular partition, >i received this message: > >The file could not be save please check if you have a >write permission. Before you mount the partition, as root, check the directory that you use as a mount point, and make sure that directory has write permissions set for all users. This of course can be considered a security risk. Nick From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 08:46:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30BA637B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCD143F75 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 08:46:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jimf@ntlworld.com) Received: from mimir.graybox.co.uk ([80.5.64.79]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ESMTP <20030424154648.SVSZ25105.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@mimir.graybox.co.uk>; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:46:48 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: jimf To: Mike Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:49:24 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> In-Reply-To: <20030424020746.GA26531@pcp01555705pcs.gdlett01.fl.comc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304241649.24441.jimf@ntlworld.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hello Newbs X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jimf@ntlworld.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:46:51 -0000 On Thursday 24 April 2003 03:07, Mike wrote: > I havn't seen any traffic on this list since I signed up for it so I > thought I would send a message in a bottle and see what comes back.I ha= ve > been using FreeBSD for a couple weeks and I really like it.I was using > Linux before so it was not much of a shock making the switch.Actually I > still have linux on another partition.I havn't booted it in a while > though.The only thing I havn't got working yet is my usb quickcam expre= ss.I > am using cvsup to update my sources and portupgrade to compile the prog= rams > I am using.Last night I ran make world for the first time.It was pretty > cool. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list Hi, took me a while to figure out, but I mount my fuji finepix digital camera= as a=20 scsi device. access digital camera (su to root): mount -t msdos /dev/da0s1 /fuji =09/fuji is my mount point jimf@graybox.co.uk www.graybox.co.uk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 09:09:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9EC37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E944143F85 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F9970000F2D8 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:19:22 -0400 Received: from chester (200.50.36.96) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EA7F5830001224B for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:19:16 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:51:36 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:09:53 -0000 hi all, what has been your experience getting *any* browser to work with: java video audio flash and all the other goodies getting even some of this to work under SuSE 8.1 pro has been really=20 difficult. the java plugins *still* don't work properly in mozilla...and= =20 forget a functioning real player. has anyone succeeded in getting a browser to really work under freeBSD? (= i'm=20 looking to switch ). --tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 09:11:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F8537B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.65535.net (thor.65535.net [65.214.160.96]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D608D43FB1 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:11:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rghf@fsck.me.uk) Received: from thor ([65.214.160.96] helo=localhost) by thor.65535.net with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198jJx-000DPh-00; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:11:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:11:37 +0100 (BST) From: Rus Foster To: Tom In-Reply-To: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> Message-ID: <20030424171111.T74000@thor.65535.net> References: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:11:23 -0000 yOn Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Tom wrote: > hi all, > > what has been your experience getting *any* browser to work with: > > java > video > audio > flash > and all the other goodies I've got flash and java working though I will admit it is a bit of a struggle but it is definitly possible Rus -- www: http://www.65535.net | Hosting - Shell Accounts MSNM: support@65535.net | Virtual Servers from just $15/mo e: rghf@65535.net | Community: http://www.65535.org t: +44 (0) 7092016595 | Rate us: http://www.65535.net/rate.php From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 09:17:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FFE37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B23E43FCB for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:17:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F9970000F9C0 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:27:05 -0400 Received: from chester (200.50.36.96) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EA7F583000134B4 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 12:26:59 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:59:19 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> <20030424171111.T74000@thor.65535.net> In-Reply-To: <20030424171111.T74000@thor.65535.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304241159.19826.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:17:33 -0000 hi all, addendum to my request for browser functionality: if you got it to work, what did you do? thanks tom On Thursday 24 April 2003 10:11, Rus Foster wrote: > yOn Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Tom wrote: > > hi all, > > > > what has been your experience getting *any* browser to work with: > > > > java > > video > > audio > > flash > > and all the other goodies > > I've got flash and java working though I will admit it is a bit of a > struggle but it is definitly possible > > Rus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 11:01:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BEE37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EE443FBD for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDV00EQH0PHN0@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:51:17 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7L8XKR; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:52:46 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:10 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> To: Tom , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304241101.10971.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:01:39 -0000 On Thursday 24 April 2003 10:51 am, Tom wrote: > hi all, > > what has been your experience getting *any* browser to work with: > > java > video > audio > flash > and all the other goodies I don't use a browser for it's "goodies", but to browse content. But I have gotten some of the stuff to work in Konqueror. Java is easy. Install java then point Konqueror to it. Audio works "out-of-the-box" in Konqueror for all *standard* formats. Quicktime won't work so don't try. Flash will work with Mozilla but not Konqueror, if you install the flashpluginwrapper. A future Konqueror should handle it as well according to some rumours. The plugger port will allow a few other things to work as well. Why don't these "goodies" work very well with FreeBSD (and Linux)? Because most of these "goodies" are proprietary non-standard protocols. In my opinion, life is too short to waste time on many of these. But things are changing. Software is still a very young industry. As with all young industries, standards are slow to arrive. Consider the early railroad industry, which had a bewildering variety of incompatible track gauges. Eventually they settled on a standard. Software will do the same, and IS doing the same, but it will take some time. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 11:09:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9370D37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx1.lphp.org (APastourelles-107-1-11-164.abo.wanadoo.fr [217.128.154.164]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BCB43F85 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) Received: from sta01 (sta01.lphp.org.local [192.168.0.4]) by mx1.lphp.org (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3OI9sut013943 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:09:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ajacoutot@lphp.org) From: Antoine Jacoutot To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:09:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> <200304241101.10971.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200304241101.10971.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304242009.53709.ajacoutot@lphp.org> Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:09:57 -0000 I would say: mozilla + linux-flashplugin + flashplugin-wrapper + mplayer-plugin +jdk would give you ALMOST everything you need. Antoine From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 11:54:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006AD37B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail7-sh.home.nl (mail7.home.nl [213.51.128.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2A443FBD for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:54:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nascar24@home.nl) Received: from home.nl ([217.120.167.10]) by mail7-sh.home.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030424185441.MYSP26071.mail7-sh.home.nl@home.nl> for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:54:41 +0200 Message-ID: <3EA832F2.7050901@home.nl> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 20:54:42 +0200 From: Marcel Dijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> <200304241101.10971.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:54:45 -0000 > > >I don't use a browser for it's "goodies", but to browse content. But I >have gotten some of the stuff to work in Konqueror. Java is easy. >Install java then point Konqueror to it. Audio works "out-of-the-box" >in Konqueror for all *standard* formats. Quicktime won't work so don't >try. Flash will work with Mozilla but not Konqueror, if you install the >flashpluginwrapper. A future Konqueror should handle it as well >according to some rumours. The plugger port will allow a few other >things to work as well. > >Why don't these "goodies" work very well with FreeBSD (and Linux)? >Because most of these "goodies" are proprietary non-standard protocols. >In my opinion, life is too short to waste time on many of these. But >things are changing. Software is still a very young industry. As with >all young industries, standards are slow to arrive. Consider the early >railroad industry, which had a bewildering variety of incompatible >track gauges. Eventually they settled on a standard. Software will do >the same, and IS doing the same, but it will take some time. > > And I am using WindowMaker. For browsing I use Netsscape 7, a very nice release I might say, albeit a touch slow. It can handle flash (out of the box) and I think there is good java support too but I never tested that. I watch multimedia streams with mplayer (ports). It can handle very much kinds of streams and formats. Last time I used it was for the Skynews.com stream (mplayer live.asx), works nice. It also has realplayer and QT support. With a RPM on the site you can also get it as a plugin in Netscape, but I also never tested that. BTW Mozilla != Netscape 7, Netscape isn't that "commie oriented" and works better. OK, that where my 2 (euro) cents. Gr. Marcel. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 17:02:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2105037B404 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f92.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E46343FD7 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:02:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lukejohannsen@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 17:02:31 -0700 Received: from 208.24.179.29 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:02:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.24.179.29] X-Originating-Email: [lukejohannsen@hotmail.com] From: "John DoeDoe" To: tsasser@terra.cl, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:02:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 00:02:31.0142 (UTC) FILETIME=[F7593060:01C30ABD] Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:02:32 -0000 I've always enjoyed Dru's articles. http://www.onlamp.com/lpt/a/2687 This one was very helpful for me and worked like a charm. I believe everything is still the same, as far as Kernel config goes, for 4.x series but you will obviously need to get a more up to date java from sun, just run "make install clean" and when it craps out it should tell you the address to go and download the one it's looking for. Cheers, Luke >From: Tom >To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:59:19 -0600 > >hi all, > >addendum to my request for browser functionality: > >if you got it to work, what did you do? > >thanks > >tom > > >On Thursday 24 April 2003 10:11, Rus Foster wrote: > > yOn Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Tom wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > > > what has been your experience getting *any* browser to work with: > > > > > > java > > > video > > > audio > > > flash > > > and all the other goodies > > > > I've got flash and java working though I will admit it is a bit of a > > struggle but it is definitly possible > > > > Rus > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 24 23:21:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 570C637B401 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:21:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E621143FBD for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 23:21:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frebhed@yahoo.com.au) Message-ID: <20030425062112.64714.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.76.136.20] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:21:12 EST Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:21:12 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?mr=20fred?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200304241151.36520.tsasser@terra.cl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: multimedia and browsers on freebsd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:21:13 -0000 --- Tom wrote: > hi all, > > what has been your experience getting *any* browser to work with: > > java > video > audio > flash > and all the other goodies > > getting even some of this to work under SuSE 8.1 pro has been really > difficult. the java plugins *still* don't work properly in mozilla...and > forget a functioning real player. > > has anyone succeeded in getting a browser to really work under freeBSD? ( i'm > > looking to switch ). > > --tom There is a bit of a guide at www.onlamp.com. I have found KDE to cause a lot of disk thrashing (with 256MB ram), I dont really like it that much... Plugger was pretty average, although I did only use it for a few avi's and mpeg's then got rid of it. I use IceWM now... Its lightweight and functional, its the best I have tried so far. I also use mozilla with flash and java, which is okay but sometimes wont let me check my yahoo mail and wont allow me to login to some sites (which say I dont have java/cookies enabled (?)). I havent bothered with sound yet... There are too many other cool FreeeBSD things to keep me occupied! Fred ===== worry is a missuse of imagination http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 11:38:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF5E37B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A6943FAF for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 11:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F99700059F69 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:48:21 -0400 Received: from chester (200.90.209.110) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EA7F583000E7E5C for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:48:15 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:19:39 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304251419.39926.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: filesystems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:38:50 -0000 hi all, has anyone had any trouble with freeBSD's file system? any data loss,=20 crashes, etc? what sort of reliability can i expect if the power goes ou= t or=20 a hd starts acting up? thanks, tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 12:18:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47EA537B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [12.162.34.13] (dnsmom.beanstalk.net [12.162.34.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC31843FB1 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from PTFD9100@beanstalk.net) Received: from chiefnb (unverified [12.162.36.149]) by (Vircom SMTPRS 4.2.181) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:11:27 -0400 From: "Michael W. Holdeman" Organization: PTFD To: Tom , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 15:18:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304251419.39926.tsasser@terra.cl> In-Reply-To: <200304251419.39926.tsasser@terra.cl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304251518.09453.PTFD9100@beanstalk.net> Subject: Re: filesystems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:18:10 -0000 I use FBSD on all my servers just for this reason. I have never lost any data on file servers (3) in 4 years. Only one server has a UPS, and we have very dirty power here. Just my .02 Mike On Friday 25 April 2003 04:19 pm, Tom wrote: > hi all, > > has anyone had any trouble with freeBSD's file system? any data loss, > crashes, etc? what sort of reliability can i expect if the power goes out > or a hd starts acting up? > > thanks, > > tom > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Michael W. Holdeman Why keep payin g for windoze?? Powered by Gentoo Linux 1.2 www.gentoo.org Linux Kernel 2.4.20 lowlatency, preemptable Windows Apps thanks to Win4Lin 4.0 www.netraverse.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 12:18:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B3037B404 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5477D43F93 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:18:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HDW00G3WYXDBH@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:08:00 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7L9S2Z; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:09:28 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:17:53 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200304251419.39926.tsasser@terra.cl> To: Tom , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200304251217.53967.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200304251419.39926.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: Re: filesystems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:18:24 -0000 On Friday 25 April 2003 01:19 pm, Tom wrote: > hi all, > > has anyone had any trouble with freeBSD's file system? any data > loss, crashes, etc? what sort of reliability can i expect if the > power goes out or a hd starts acting up? I've never had any problems, even the few times that power did go out. Since you're asking this question of newbies, instead of asking experts or hiring a consultant, and considering that power outages are an issue, I'd hazard a guess that you're interested in FreeBSD for a desktop or a personal server. Am I right? p.s. Backup, backup, backup. Even large multinational banks with ultra highend enterprise class filesystems on their currency exchange transaction servers make backups. And buy a UPS :-) David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 25 19:10:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8222137B401 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4FA43F93 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h3Q2ACUp009799 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h3Q2ACFn009789 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200304260210.h3Q2ACFn009789@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:10:13 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 02:25:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B0E37B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f40.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52C4D43FBD for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:25:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 02:25:12 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:25:11 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:25:11 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2003 09:25:12.0241 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCF1D210:01C30BD5] Subject: BSD knowledge, awarded X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:25:13 -0000 Hey nooB's Just thought I'd chime in to tell y'all I actually got an award at my school for one of the freebsd projects I'm heading. (The specific project is setting up a small p2p net. of various OS's, using samba to manage net. resources.) I know it doesn't have much to do with *BSD, and is largely gloating on my part, but I really thought it was cool when one of my instructor's called me to the front, introducing me as "the BSD guy." (I always try to promote bsd, but most of the people around my school are linux sort of people. (not willing to negotiate boot-up problems, etc.)) I guess I'm just saying, stick with it, there is a certain amount of respect for knowing a few OS's, as well as OS structure. Hopefully, before I finish out the semester, I'll get these MS-loving admins to let the box on the 'net, and add a ssh/ftp server to the local net. (It's fast and all, but I really wish it were more 'functional.') Peace out, (for any other students out there, good luck on finals...) Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 04:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6487437B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net (mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net [63.231.195.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A18CE43FB1 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 04:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wolfryder@qwest.net) Received: (qmail 6467 invoked by uid 0); 26 Apr 2003 11:42:51 -0000 Received: from mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net (63.231.195.4) by mpls-qmqp-04.inet.qwest.net with QMQP; 26 Apr 2003 11:42:51 -0000 Received: from adsl189.omah.uswest.net (HELO wolf.qwest.net) (209.180.104.189) by mpls-pop-04.inet.qwest.net with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 11:42:51 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 06:48:05 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20030426063445.00ac8dd0@pop.omah.uswest.net> From: "WolfRyder" To: "clayton rollins" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Sender: wolfryder@pop.omah.uswest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: BSD knowledge, awarded X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:42:52 -0000 At 09:25 AM 4/26/03 +0000, clayton rollins wrote: >Hey nooB's > >Just thought I'd chime in to tell y'all I actually got an award at my >school for one of the freebsd projects I'm heading. (The specific project >is setting up a small p2p net. of various OS's, using samba to manage net. >resources.) > >I know it doesn't have much to do with *BSD, and is largely gloating on my >part, but I really thought it was cool when one of my instructor's called >me to the front, introducing me as "the BSD guy." (I always try to promote >bsd, but most of the people around my school are linux sort of people. >(not willing to negotiate boot-up problems, etc.)) I guess I'm just >saying, stick with it, there is a certain amount of respect for knowing a >few OS's, as well as OS structure. > >Hopefully, before I finish out the semester, I'll get these MS-loving >admins to let the box on the 'net, and add a ssh/ftp server to the local >net. (It's fast and all, but I really wish it were more 'functional.') That is so cool Clayton! Congrats! I'm in the process of trying to install /dual boot BSD (with GUI) on my laptop that houses my Win98. I'll take that to work to show how samba lets my bsd talk to the other windows machines there. It's really not far off from reality either. With the economy like it is a lot of places just don't have the funds to upgrade software on their servers. The IT guys where I work also don't know much about any other OS except windows, with the exception of the webserver (Sun running Solaris) and only 2 of us know anything about it. The R&D machine developing a content management system is FreeBSD (which I installed and setup a few months ago.) There seems to be a fear of learning something new with a lot of the Microsoft crowd. **The other OS's aren't "point and click" therefore it's too hard to learn **and **other admins in the city don't know how to help administer the OS**, Whereas I discovered it's much easier to take control and actually set up what I want done. Keep up the good work!! Carol **The common whine in staff meetings From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 07:14:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0C637B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5FD43FBD for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:14:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from fuzz.socal.rr.com (cpe-24-165-65-83.socal.rr.com [24.165.65.83])h3QEB7L25883 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schenk To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 07:14:28 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304260714.28845.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> Subject: Another reason to like FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:14:03 -0000 Another reason to love it, is all these idiots sending out viruses disguised as Microsoft patches. Got another one today. Looking through an issue of PC Mag, it was interesting to see how much stuff was irrelevant: anti-virus, spyware, anti-spyware, system utilities. All of which cost money, none of which we need. Now if I can just get this printing thing worked out... Gary From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 09:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07B737B401; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from travelocity.com (3E6B22E2.aarh.stofanet.dk [62.107.34.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6635143FA3; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:33:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stevengarcia@grid.net) Message-ID: From: "Steven Garcia" To: freebsd-isp-request@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <039601c2f289$c877e141$b04c3f42@o6j7356> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: please view your status p0yxgo1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:33:22 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:00:46 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:33:22 -0000 [1][d.jpg] Erase your email record [2]here. References 1. http://wwww.shopnow.bz/b/josh/premium/ps.html 2. http://www.nocharge.biz/rmv/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 09:48:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5EC37B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ctb-mesg1.saix.net (ctb-mesg1.saix.net [196.25.240.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF2BD43F3F for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:48:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from angus@unix.za.net) Received: from thor.fairhaven.za.net (ue53-01-p06.ec.saix.net [155.239.164.6]) by ctb-mesg1.saix.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B01AD8F0 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:48:18 +0200 (SAST) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:48:56 +0200 From: angus To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030426184856.1f981863.angus@unix.za.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: natd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:48:23 -0000 hi just to say natd is excallent, i am sooooo loving it :) angus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 09:58:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71AC37B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:58:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wdm.pl (wdm.pl [80.244.136.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D010543FD7 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 09:58:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gavroche@wdm.pl) Received: (qmail 53966 invoked by uid 1121); 26 Apr 2003 17:08:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gavroche.biz) (gavroche@80.244.136.34) by 0 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2003 17:08:37 -0000 Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:58:21 +0200 From: Dominik =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=AFy=B3a?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030426185821.68163542.gavroche@wdm.pl> In-Reply-To: <20030426184856.1f981863.angus@unix.za.net> References: <20030426184856.1f981863.angus@unix.za.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws13 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: natd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 16:58:16 -0000 On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:48:56 +0200 angus wrote: > hi > just to say > natd is excallent, i am sooooo loving it :) > > angus > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > You are not Collumbus:P From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 11:02:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F201A37B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C259843FBF for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:02:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F99700094269 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:11:56 -0400 Received: from chester (200.50.48.131) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EA7F58300173052 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 14:11:51 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:42:24 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20030426063445.00ac8dd0@pop.omah.uswest.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20030426063445.00ac8dd0@pop.omah.uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200304261342.24940.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: BSD knowledge, awarded & learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:02:26 -0000 > The R&D machine developing a content management system is FreeBSD (whic= h I > installed and setup a few months ago.) There seems to be a fear of lear= ning > something new with a lot of the Microsoft crowd. **The other OS's aren'= t > "point and click" therefore it's too hard to learn **and **other admins= in > the city don't know how to help administer the OS**, Whereas I discover= ed > it's much easier to take control and actually set up what I want done. > > Keep up the good work!! > Carol > > **The common whine in staff meetings hi all, the fear that carol described above is not uncommon. i saw it often when= i=20 was doing support for cybercash...admins who did NOT want to know anythin= g=20 about the software that needed to be on their server. it was quite amazi= ng. also, remember that most people stop learning as soon as they leave schoo= l. ( which is an interesting thought about American culture ). congrats on the award! --tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 11:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8BEB37B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f119.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5847C43FCB for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:40:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:40:52 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:40:51 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:40:51 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Apr 2003 18:40:52.0064 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D071600:01C30C23] Subject: Re: BSD knowledge, awarded & learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:40:53 -0000 >From: Tom wrote on Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:42:24 -0600: > > > Carol wrote > > The R&D machine developing a content management system is FreeBSD (which >I > > installed and setup a few months ago.) There seems to be a fear of >learning > > something new with a lot of the Microsoft crowd. **The other OS's aren't > > "point and click" therefore it's too hard to learn **and **other admins >in > > the city don't know how to help administer the OS**, Whereas I >discovered > > it's much easier to take control and actually set up what I want done. > > > > Keep up the good work!! > > Carol > > > > **The common whine in staff meetings > >hi all, > >the fear that carol described above is not uncommon. i saw it often when i >was doing support for cybercash...admins who did NOT want to know anything >about the software that needed to be on their server. it was quite >amazing. > >also, remember that most people stop learning as soon as they leave school. >( which is an interesting thought about American culture ). > >congrats on the award! > >--tom Tom and Carol, Thanks for the nice words. About the fear of not pointing and clicking, I get the exact same reaction in regards to the Linux and FreeBSD boxes I have running at school (and, they both have gui's installed; can't handle typing startx, eh?). I've told 'em all how to get in, and went so far as to write down a username and passwd for them, but still no takers. (I'd even be happy if they wrecked the install, I just want to expose some people to this OS, which has dramatically changed my life. <- not as much of an overstatement as it sounds, I've always wanted to do more than play games, and freeBSD gives me every bit of functionality I want.) Oh well. While they play the same stupid solitare game, i get to play xbill, and have a C/C++ compiler at my fingertips. (Did I mention, it's free?!?) About learning, it seems that quite a few people don't wait until they leave school. And, as for 'American Culture,' Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine should be considered required reading here. (Beyond being a great movie, it also brings up a lot of things we'd prefer to not think about our own culture.) Am I OT enough now? Anyways, thanks and good luck with your endeavors, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 19:07:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628CD37B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A6D43F75 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:07:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HDZ00981CJ0SK@net.WAU.NL> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 04:06:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 04:06:10 +0107 (CEST) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <0HDZ00982CJ0SK@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: BSD knowledge, awarded & learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 02:07:11 -0000 hey :) On Sat, 26 Apr 2003, clayton rollins wrote: > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:40:51 +0000 > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > From: "clayton rollins" > Subject: Re: BSD knowledge, awarded & learning > > About the fear of not pointing and clicking, I get the exact same > reaction in regards to the Linux and FreeBSD boxes I have running at school (and, > they both have gui's installed; can't handle typing startx, eh?). I've > told 'em all how to get in, and went so far as to write down a username and > passwd for them, but still no takers. (I'd even be happy if they wrecked > the install, I just want to expose some people to this OS, which has > dramatically changed my life. <- not as much of an overstatement as it > sounds, I've always wanted to do more than play games, and freeBSD gives > me every bit of functionality I want.) using xdm will save them from typing startx. It will prevent you from working outside of XFree86 (but xterm will come out handy). It's a matter of taste I guess > Oh well. While they play the same stupid solitare game, i get to play > xbill, and have a C/C++ compiler at my fingertips. (Did I mention, it's free?!?) no you didn't :) but I already thought it was ;) > About learning, it seems that quite a few people don't wait until they > leave school. And, as for 'American Culture,' Michael Moore's Bowling for > Columbine should be considered required reading here. (Beyond being a > great movie, it also brings up a lot of things we'd prefer to not think about > our own culture.) I'm going to see it tuesday, and I'm looking forward to it (even though I'm not a part of the American culture). > Am I OT enough now? OT? :? > Anyways, thanks and good luck with your endeavors, > Clayton congrats with your award, and good luck with teaching your colleages and fellow-students. It's hard to teach even young dogs new tricks when it means to step out of the enviroment (read: Micro$oft rubbish) one is used to... --- tcGB <>< Fi-Ji ><> From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 20:31:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D7037B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (phoenix.welearn.com.au [139.130.44.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78EF43F75 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:31:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@welearn.com.au) Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h3R3VBgH089619 for ; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:31:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h3R3VB8L089618 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:31:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 13:31:11 +1000 From: Sue Blake To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030427133111.B70648@welearn.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Sue Blake , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-PGP-Fingerprint: E9A3 7B97 C563 DBB1 979E BC04 D2A2 9DA3 1274 7885 Subject: We love to gloat X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 03:31:19 -0000 Let me put your minds at rest folks: Gloating is encouraged here. The recent threads about achievements setting up FreeBSD and infiltrating educational organisations and workplaces as a newbie are among the most ON topic posts we've seen here for ages. So long as it doesn't descend into flames or criticism of other systems, every newbie is very welcome to discuss their achievements and setbacks here. That includes any essentially related non-BSD matter, such as techniques for removing keyboard impressions from the forehead, the amount of coffee consumed, or the other-people factors involved. Everyone likes to know they're not alone in this. I'm tickled pink that I've finally had the courage to set up opie(4) after all these years, but I can't gloat here because I'm an oldie. (Oops :-) If I were a newbie, I wouldn't tell you how to do it but I might tell you how I _learned_ how to do it, which was by reading the tutorial at http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/02/06/FreeBSD_Basics.html and then asking freebsd-questions about the parts that confused me. So, who else out there is a hero? -- Regards, -*Sue*- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 26 22:51:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F3037B401 for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D66343FBD for ; Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:51:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net) Received: from 133.st-louis-113-114rs.mo.dial-access.att.net ([12.85.109.133]) by mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with SMTP id <2003042705513311200ptn2qe>; Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:51:33 +0000 From: Jonathan Drews To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 00:55:59 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200304270055.59571.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Thrilled with FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 05:51:36 -0000 Hi: I have been using FreeBSD since January and just these past two weeks I have gotten my CUPS printing setup and my DRI working for my Radeon card. I also have my Epson scanner working as well as sound and my wheel mouse. I am really pleased with FreeBSD as a desktop. I am still having a few minor configuration problems with CUPS but I will get them worked out. The problem is that I need to find out where to specify the path to the CUPS lpr. The CUPS lpr is in /usr/local/bin but the path has /usr/bin first. For DRI I found Eric Anholt's site to be very good: http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/dri/index.html Most of the apps work really well. I found that the *.ics files from Korganizer are recognized by my Windows Outlook calendar at work. They integrate flawlessly. In addition the *.rtf files from the word processor Ted (the new version 2.14 is now in ports) render perfectly in my Microsoft Word, at work. Even the tables display correctly. Abiword works very well too (Abiword 1.9.0 is now in ports). With Gnumeric I can read and edit *.xls files and then send those back to work. I first save the *.xls as a *.gnumeric and then edit it. Finally I save the finished spreadsheet as a *.xls and send it back. There are some font changes but the touch ups I have to do are really trivial. FreeBSD really works quite well as a desktop. I would say, for me, the biggest benefit is the Scilab port, which is like MatLab, a mathematical package. FreeBSD is a really fine system. Kind regards, Jonathan