From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 1 00:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0937B37B401; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEEA43F3F; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E730AE466; Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030601071001.4E730AE466@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-05-11 - 2003-05-31 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 21-May : Postfix - virtual domains (part II) A bit more detail on the options http://freebsddiary.org/postfix-virtual-domains.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 2 14:51:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6963337B401 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.redinsight.com (h-64-105-153-11.DNVTCO56.covad.net [64.105.153.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFB443F3F for ; Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:51:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@untoldfaith.com) Received: from localhost ([]) by mail.redinsight.com (Merak 5.9.4) with SMTP id JFC37105 for ; Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:51:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:51:06 -0600 From: Troy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Educational X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <153207361.20030602155106@untoldfaith.com> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Three Quick Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Troy List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 21:51:15 -0000 Hello, Three quick questions here. #1 When installing ports how do I pass switches? ex. make --args install (is this how?) #2 If I am connected via ssh and get disconnected how do I login and kill the old session? #3 When upgrading via cvsup how do I tell what has changed to see if it is worth upgrading after running the cvsup session? Thanks for any help. --Troy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 00:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9922B37B405 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 00:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archimedes.rsn.bth.se (archimedes.rsn.bth.se [194.47.145.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C280B43F75 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 00:22:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Received: from jarl.home.se (as4-3-5.paa.hs.bonet.se [217.215.11.194]) by archimedes.rsn.bth.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h537w2FU038499; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:58:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030603091226.02b88e90@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> X-Sender: jalle@archimedes.rsn.bth.se (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:22:52 +0200 To: Troy , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Jalle In-Reply-To: <153207361.20030602155106@untoldfaith.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Three Quick Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 07:22:23 -0000 At 15:51 2003-06-02 -0600, Troy wrote: >Hello, >Three quick questions here. >#1 >When installing ports how do I pass switches? >ex. make --args install (is this how?) Yes, generally, this is how you do it. >#2 >If I am connected via ssh and get disconnected how do I login and kill >the old >session? You shouldnt need to. If you mean that you want to kill some application that you started in your old session, then try the kill (man kill) command. >#3 >When upgrading via cvsup how do I tell what has changed to see if it is >worth >upgrading after running the cvsup session? Save the output from cvsup. If you're using the GUI, just click the save button, and it will save in the "./cvsup.log" (or something like that). If you're using the command line cvsup, I cant recall any flag for output saves, but you can always use the script (man script) command, like so... # script /home/youruser/yourlog.file ...some info... # cvsup yourcvsupfile ...updating updating updating... # ...done... Now, check the /home/youruser/yourlog.file for changes and updates. >Thanks for any help. > >--Troy > HTH /Jalle >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 08:25:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FBD37B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rossillo.net (24-193-207-118.nyc.rr.com [24.193.207.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0F043F75 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:25:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@rossillo.net) Received: from webmail.rossillo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.rossillo.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 35B5F39AA3; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 209.92.78.159 (SquirrelMail authenticated user scott) by webmail.rossillo.net with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <44385.209.92.78.159.1054653923.squirrel@webmail.rossillo.net> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030603091226.02b88e90@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> References: <153207361.20030602155106@untoldfaith.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030603091226.02b88e90@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Scott Rossillo" To: "Troy " User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Three Quick Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 15:25:19 -0000 ~ Scott > At 15:51 2003-06-02 -0600, Troy wrote: >>Hello, >>Three quick questions here. >>#1 >>When installing ports how do I pass switches? >>ex. make --args install (is this how?) > > Yes, generally, this is how you do it. > >>#2 >>If I am connected via ssh and get disconnected how do I login and kill >>the old >>session? > > You shouldnt need to. If you mean that you want to kill some application > that you started > in your old session, then try the kill (man kill) command. > The old session will eventually die off, but if you really want to kill it, type: w -- Note the TTY of your old connection ps -ax | grep ssh -- Find the PID (1st column) of the sshd that matches username@ttypX, where X is the TTY from w's output. kill -9 PID -- FIll in the correct PID for the old shh session from above. Typing "w" again should show that the connection is now dead. >>#3 >>When upgrading via cvsup how do I tell what has changed to see if it >> is >>worth >>upgrading after running the cvsup session? > > Save the output from cvsup. If you're using the GUI, just click the save > button, and it will save in the "./cvsup.log" (or something like that). If > you're using the command line cvsup, I cant recall any flag for output > saves, but you can always use the script (man script) command, like so... > > # script /home/youruser/yourlog.file > ...some info... > # cvsup yourcvsupfile > ...updating updating updating... > # > ...done... > > Now, check the /home/youruser/yourlog.file for changes and updates. > >>Thanks for any help. >> >>--Troy >> > > HTH > /Jalle > >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 09:32:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1D7C37B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from indyramp.com (ns.indyramp.com [65.248.4.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03ED943FBD for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:32:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from masq-bounces@indyramp.com) Received: from external.indyramp.com (external [65.248.4.230]) by indyramp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BD31648A for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) From: masq-bounces@indyramp.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4920942426380317==" Message-ID: Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 09:32:33 -0700 Precedence: bulk X-BeenThere: masq@indyramp.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 X-List-Administrivia: yes Sender: masq-bounces@indyramp.com Errors-To: masq-bounces@indyramp.com Subject: The results of your email commands X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:32:36 -0000 --===============4920942426380317== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The results of your email command are provided below. Attached is your original message. - Results: Ignoring non-text/plain MIME parts - Done. --===============4920942426380317== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: X-Original-To: masq-request@indyramp.com Delivered-To: masq-request@localhost.indyramp.com Received: from tcp.com (tcp.com [66.92.182.248]) by indyramp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461001648A for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hacienda.tcp.com (hacienda.tcp.com [66.92.182.242]) by tcp.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GWUQP014101 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BILLGATES ([211.161.192.137]) by hacienda.tcp.com (8.12.9+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h53GWQPC027076 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 09:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200306031632.h53GWQPC027076@hacienda.tcp.com> From: To: Subject: Re: Approved Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 0:30:40 +0800 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="CSmtpMsgPart123X456_000_1820C4F0" This is a multipart message in MIME format --CSmtpMsgPart123X456_000_1820C4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please see the attached file. --CSmtpMsgPart123X456_000_1820C4F0-- --===============4920942426380317==-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 10:11:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E1737B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.213.64.2] (firewall.tiadon.com [204.213.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB3E43F93 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from rmc.tiadon.com by [204.213.64.2] ESMTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:10:59 -0500 Received: from applications.tiadon.com (mail.tiadon.com [172.16.18.172]) by bcec01.tiadon.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id LQ23DHMN; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:10:59 -0500 Received: from firewall.tiadon.com ([204.213.65.122]) by applications.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:11:01 -0500 Received: from [204.213.65.122] by firewall.tiadon.com via smtpd (for mail.tiadon.com [172.16.18.172]) with ESMTP; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:10:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000901c329f3$1343d470$7a41d5cc@nitanjared> From: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Scott Rossillo" , "Troy " References: <153207361.20030602155106@untoldfaith.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030603091226.02b88e90@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> <44385.209.92.78.159.1054653923.squirrel@webmail.rossillo.net> Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:10:44 -0500 Organization: DaleCo, S.P.---"the solutions people" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Three Quick Questions X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Kevin Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 17:11:01 -0000 To: "Troy " Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Three Quick Questions > > At 15:51 2003-06-02 -0600, Troy wrote: > >>Hello, > >>Three quick questions here. > >>#3 > >>When upgrading via cvsup how do I tell what has changed to see if it > >> is worth upgrading after running the cvsup session? > > > > Save the output from cvsup. If you're using the GUI, just click the save > > button, and it will save in the "./cvsup.log" (or something like that). If > > you're using the command line cvsup, I cant recall any flag for output > > saves, but you can always use the script (man script) command, like so... > > > > # script /home/youruser/yourlog.file > > ...some info... > > # cvsup yourcvsupfile > > ...updating updating updating... > > # > > ...done... > > > > Now, check the /home/youruser/yourlog.file for changes and updates. > > > > HTH > > /Jalle or: #cvsup yourcvsupfile >& /home/youruser/yourlog.file & It's simple, works. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 12:15:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E906437B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.turbonet.com (mail.turbonet.com [206.228.112.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9E343F3F for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:15:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrewr@uidaho.edu) Received: from halogen ([63.161.23.23]) by mail.turbonet.com (Merak 5.9.4) with ESMTP id MZV74099 for ; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:12:55 -0700 From: Andrew Robinson Organization: University of Idaho To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:16:19 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu> Subject: cvsup and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 19:15:23 -0000 Hi all, I'm confused about the connection between cvsup and portupgrade. When I run portupgrade, it seems to ftp the code to my machine from a remote server. But, I was under the impression that I was maintaining an up-to-date copy of the source code via regular use of cvsup and the example code in the ports-supfile. Can anyone clarify for me? What would happen if I ignored cvsup altogether? Thanks! Andrew -- Andrew Robinson Ph: 208 885 7115 Department of Forest Resources Fa: 208 885 6226 University of Idaho E : andrewr@uidaho.edu PO Box 441133 W : http://www.uidaho.edu/~andrewr Moscow ID 83843 Or: http://www.biometrics.uidaho.edu No statement above necessarily represents my employer's opinion. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 13:10:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E4037B412 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93B743F85 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:10:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19NI6q-0003UK-0U; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:10:17 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:10:07 +0100 To: Andrew Robinson From: Kevin Golding References: <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu> In-Reply-To: <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:10:20 -0000 In article <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu>, Andrew Robinson writes >When I run >portupgrade, it seems to ftp the code to my machine from a remote server. >But, I was under the impression that I was maintaining an up-to-date copy of >the source code via regular use of cvsup and the example code in the >ports-supfile. Can anyone clarify for me? Cvsup updates your ports skeleton. This is the framework you see in /usr/ports which is basically just a pile of information about how to install software on your machine. Portupgrade updates the actual software. Basically it looks at both your ports collection and the software you've previously installed. If you're running an old version of something then portupgrade will update it. When you run portupgrade your machine downloading the actual software for your machine, whereas cvsup is downloading a list of software you can install easily. >What would happen if I ignored >cvsup altogether? You'd end up with a stale ports collection, so when portupgrade looked for updates it would assume you're running the latest versions of everything even though you could be years out of date. In short, don't ignore cvsup. To use portupgrade properly you need an up to date ports collection and cvsup is the simplest and easiest way to get it. Kevin -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 13:10:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1481D37B404 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:10:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8313B43F75 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:10:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-39.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #2) id 19NI7P-0003n0-0U; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 21:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:10:07 +0100 To: Andrew Robinson From: Kevin Golding References: <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu> In-Reply-To: <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:10:54 -0000 In article <200306031216.19062.andrewr@uidaho.edu>, Andrew Robinson writes >When I run >portupgrade, it seems to ftp the code to my machine from a remote server. >But, I was under the impression that I was maintaining an up-to-date copy of >the source code via regular use of cvsup and the example code in the >ports-supfile. Can anyone clarify for me? Cvsup updates your ports skeleton. This is the framework you see in /usr/ports which is basically just a pile of information about how to install software on your machine. Portupgrade updates the actual software. Basically it looks at both your ports collection and the software you've previously installed. If you're running an old version of something then portupgrade will update it. When you run portupgrade your machine downloading the actual software for your machine, whereas cvsup is downloading a list of software you can install easily. >What would happen if I ignored >cvsup altogether? You'd end up with a stale ports collection, so when portupgrade looked for updates it would assume you're running the latest versions of everything even though you could be years out of date. In short, don't ignore cvsup. To use portupgrade properly you need an up to date ports collection and cvsup is the simplest and easiest way to get it. Kevin -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 13:15:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1322C37B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f110.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C1D43F93 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:15:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:15:05 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:15:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: andrewr@uidaho.edu Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:15:05 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jun 2003 20:15:05.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[D25B5180:01C32A0C] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup and portupgrade X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:15:08 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:16:19 Andrew Robinson wrote: > >Hi all, > >I'm confused about the connection between cvsup and portupgrade. When I >run >portupgrade, it seems to ftp the code to my machine from a remote server. >But, I was under the impression that I was maintaining an up-to-date copy >of >the source code via regular use of cvsup and the example code in the >ports-supfile. Can anyone clarify for me? What would happen if I ignored >cvsup altogether? > >Thanks! > >Andrew When you cvsup the operating system, you get the source code upgrade. cvsup'ing ports just gets you the updated directory structure and makefiles, etc., not the updated sources. (As you've seen, it would take a long time to grab all the distfiles...) On ignoring cvsup altogether, I'm not sure what would happen. The best advice I can give is that pkg_version should show you what would get upgraded or left alone. (After a pkgdb -F...) Hope that helps you, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 13:47:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBEE37B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmx2.freemail.hu (fmx2.freemail.hu [195.228.242.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 405E843F75 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:47:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gannater@freemail.hu) Received: (qmail 33890 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2003 19:34:06 +0200 Received: from fm9.freemail.hu (195.228.242.209) by fmx2.freemail.hu with SMTP; 3 Jun 2003 19:33:59 +0200 Received: (qmail 58376 invoked by uid 3644897); 3 Jun 2003 19:33:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:33:58 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Gannater_J=E1nos?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.182.48.9] X-HTTP-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Subject: cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 20:47:35 -0000 Is there a log file for the cvsup operations? I would like to know when I last cvsup-ed, because I can't remember. :) How can I set cvsup just to download the stable version only? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 17:13:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FED37B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:13:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f34.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E869043F3F for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:13:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 17:13:23 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:13:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: gannater@freemail.hu Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:13:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jun 2003 00:13:23.0204 (UTC) FILETIME=[1C87F440:01C32A2E] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvsup X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 00:13:26 -0000 On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 19:33:58 Gannater János wrote: > >Is there a log file for the cvsup operations? >I would like to know when I last cvsup-ed, because I can't >remember. :) >How can I set cvsup just to download the stable version only? > > I don't think cvsup creates one by default. A quick workaround would be to look at the timestamp of any of the files you haven't modified since then. The stable-supfile will get you the stable OS code; there is no 'stable' for ports. Peace, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 3 23:04:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D2737B401 for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A8543F3F for ; Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:04:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net) Received: from 222.st-louis-108-109rs.mo.dial-access.att.net ([12.85.107.222]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003060406044711100h17b0e>; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 06:04:47 +0000 From: Jonathan To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 01:09:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306040109.44208.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> Subject: TextMaker word processor for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 06:04:50 -0000 Hi: I am very happy to say that I have the commercial word processor TextMaker running in FreeBSD 4.8. I have it installed in /compat/linux/opt. TextMaker's website is here: http://www.softmaker.de/tml_en.htm It does a good job at reading Microsoft word documents. I have also sent *docs to windows users and they say the docs render just fine. You can get a 30 day trial version at the bottom of the above web page. Kind regards, Jonathan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 4 09:58:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0CEB37B401 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8344243F75 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 09:58:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Received: from adsl-67-39-32-166.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net (HELO bsdprophet.org) (bsdprophet%sbcglobal.net@67.39.32.166 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jun 2003 16:58:39 -0000 Message-ID: <3EDE255D.8010403@bsdprophet.org> Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 11:59:09 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freeBSD-newbies Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Anniversary X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 16:58:40 -0000 Just a little note. Anniversary 10 Years of using FreeBSD! -- FreeBSD is for People that Love *nix; Linux is for People that Hate Windows! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 4 19:01:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D0637B401 for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F3443FCB for ; Wed, 4 Jun 2003 19:01:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AF54527A6; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:31:41 +0930 (CST) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:31:41 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Scott Corey Message-ID: <20030605020141.GL33158@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <3EDE255D.8010403@bsdprophet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2CW6+cughRlDaKZr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EDE255D.8010403@bsdprophet.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freeBSD-newbies Subject: Re: Anniversary X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 02:01:46 -0000 --2CW6+cughRlDaKZr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 4 June 2003 at 11:59:09 -0500, Scott Corey wrote: > Just a little note. > > Anniversary > > 10 Years of using FreeBSD! Not yet. We celebrate it on 19 June. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --2CW6+cughRlDaKZr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+3qSFIubykFB6QiMRAnqTAJ0QVk/GNRf00x0xhZUN5KFbePrbQACfVhyn tnPGWKUPt2pCzTHUtfVHFDI= =sc6z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2CW6+cughRlDaKZr-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 01:09:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12AF37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731DF43F85 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 01:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h5689X5o007228 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:09:33 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:09:33 +0200 Received: from 212.190.217.170 ([212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id MKB2284H; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:09:31 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 10:10:53 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306061010.53985.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-100.0 required=4.2 tests=USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: Asked before, but couldn't find... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:09:37 -0000 Hi, Just upgraded from openoffice 1.0.2 to 1.0.3, and I have lost the configuration for my printing...It was configured to go to the cups daemon, but I forget how to do it...Can anyone enlighten me (and I promise to remember this time :D) Thanks, Anthony From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 11:15:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006FD37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:15:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arzaga.net (adsl-64-109-180-25.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [64.109.180.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64D0243F75 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:15:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from broohaha@arzaga.net) Received: (qmail 43814 invoked by uid 1001); 6 Jun 2003 18:15:39 -0000 Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:15:39 -0500 From: Al Arzaga To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030606181539.GD43494@arzaga.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: freebsd-newbies exposed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 18:15:53 -0000 Hi, looks like this list's subscribers are exposed to spambots. I just got spammed at an address I use solely for this list. -Al From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 14:31:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E0E37B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AB843F3F for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 6 Jun 2003 22:31:02 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 22:31:02 +0100 Message-ID: <5u12evsu05mlb6or22as6qllguki864prr@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2003 21:31:02.0425 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDD04890:01C32C72] Subject: Re: freebsd-newbies exposed? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 21:31:04 -0000 Al Arzaga wrote: >Hi, looks like this list's subscribers are exposed to spambots. >I just got spammed at an address I use solely for this list. Unlikely. They probably harvest addresses from the archives. I see from Google Groups you posted to this list on 25/05/03. Best wishes, John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 6 19:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ADA737B401 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38B343F93 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h572AAUp052956 for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h572AAuD052954 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:10:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200306070210.h572AAuD052954@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 02:10:11 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________