From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 15 00:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB8C37B401; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BDFB43FB1; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 448A5AE3BD; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030615071000.448A5AE3BD@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-05-25 - 2003-06-14 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 07:10:02 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 15 04:56:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C81337B420 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251A343FCB for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:55:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au) Received: from 10.0.0.19 (c16844.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au [211.28.125.210]) h5FBtvl11073 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:55:58 +1000 From: David Lodeiro To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 21:55:47 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306152155.47457.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Dual Screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:56:01 -0000 Hey, Im after some info on setting up dual screen on Xfree86 ( Radeon 8500 specific would be great but not necessary) Im having trouble finding any thorough documentation on it on google. If someone could lead me in the right direction would be great. Thanks David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 15 05:09:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9576B37B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bubo.vslib.cz (bubo.vslib.cz [147.230.16.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F29043FAF for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 05:09:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from martin.vana@vslib.cz) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bubo.vslib.cz (Postfix) with SMTP id 64BD6CC2CE for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:09:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from vanice (a410b.kolej.vslib.cz [147.230.152.18]) by bubo.vslib.cz (Postfix) with SMTP id 542D5CC2CD for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:09:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <004101c33337$25c76bf0$1298e693@vanice> From: "=?iso-8859-2?B?TWFydGluIFbh8mE=?=" To: "BsdNewbies" Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:10:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Travelling from win to free X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 12:09:36 -0000 Hi There, I'm just slowly migrating from Win2K to FreeBSD, what I=A7m trying to = solve right now is which ICQ like comunicator /or at least able to = convert ICQ contacts and history/ to use, any suggestions? thanx From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 15 13:37:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C1637B401 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E97843FCB for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 13:37:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matthias.sz@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 24280 invoked by uid 65534); 15 Jun 2003 20:37:40 -0000 Received: from pD9E3CFAB.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.0.6]) (217.227.207.171) by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 15 Jun 2003 22:37:40 +0200 From: Matthias Szupryczynski To: BsdNewbies In-Reply-To: <004101c33337$25c76bf0$1298e693@vanice> References: <004101c33337$25c76bf0$1298e693@vanice> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Organization: Message-Id: <1055709372.15156.38.camel@arwen.lindenstrasse> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 15 Jun 2003 22:36:12 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Travelling from win to free X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: matthias.sz@gmx.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:37:44 -0000 On Sun, 2003-06-15 at 14:10, Martin Váòa wrote: > Hi There, > I'm just slowly migrating from Win2K to FreeBSD, what I§m trying to solve right > now is which ICQ like comunicator /or at least able to convert ICQ contacts > and history/ to use, any suggestions? > thanx Hi Martin, welcome to the free world ;) Regarding your search for an icq client, I for my part am pretty happy with this one here. silk@arwen:/usr/ports > make search name=gnomeicu2 Port: gnomeicu2-0.99 Path: /usr/ports/net/gnomeicu2 Info: GNOME2 ICQ client HTH Matt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 15 20:31:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF20F37B404 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56EBD43F85 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:31:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lcao@san.rr.com) Received: from melchior (dt092n54.san.rr.com [204.210.48.84]) h5G3SRM13004 for ; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:28:27 -0700 (PDT) From: long cao To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 20:31:14 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306152031.14924.lcao@san.rr.com> Subject: re: Travelling from win to free X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: lcao@san.rr.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:31:38 -0000 licq [ports/net/licq] is an excellent clone of icq [micq and others also avail] it might be good to check out licq site [www.licq.org] on various availability of utils that does winICQ db conversion. --regards From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 10:43:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2FD37B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law14-f87.law14.hotmail.com [64.4.21.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31B6C43F93 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:43:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kenoyer130@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 10:43:35 -0700 Received: from 24.73.34.115 by lw14fd.law14.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:43:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.73.34.115] X-Originating-Email: [kenoyer130@hotmail.com] From: "jon kenoyer" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:43:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2003 17:43:35.0073 (UTC) FILETIME=[CF7D2110:01C3342E] Subject: Setting up FTP server X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:43:35 -0000 I am interested in setting up a dedicated FTP server at our work and was wondering what everyone's thoughts were. Here are the requirements: Can turn off anonymous access custom username/passwords and standard ftp access privilages Works with any standard ftp client Folders displayed depending on the user browsing. Speed is king. This server will only have 3-5 simulataneous connections but we have large (300-1 gig) files to move around. Anything I can do on the server end to increase the output to the clients would help immensely. Should I go with the standard ftpd or is there a better FTP daemon service in the ports collection? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 16:53:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3AC37B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA80243F85 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:53:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j.roberts437@ntlworld.com) Received: from f7o6v7 ([80.3.132.69]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030616235308.EKNE21031.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@f7o6v7> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:53:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c3346a$cf1455e0$45840350@f7o6v7> From: "jim roberts roberts" To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:53:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: i am a newbie to unix linux etc etc and using commas X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:53:11 -0000 how about a pdf with everything about unix, computer architecture and = indeed open source and the battle aginst the microsoft maelstrom. that us (unix) newbies should educate ourselves with from the ground up? put it on the site dude!=20 please! ps do you have java compilers ,interpreters javadoc etc with freebsd? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 17:03:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A5637B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6914243F93 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:03:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HGL007G3MQJIB@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:01:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:50:38 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7NGCK0; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:51:33 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:01:59 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <000a01c3346a$cf1455e0$45840350@f7o6v7> To: jim roberts roberts , freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <200306161701.59666.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <000a01c3346a$cf1455e0$45840350@f7o6v7> Subject: Re: i am a newbie to unix linux etc etc and using commas X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:03:01 -0000 On Monday 16 June 2003 05:53 pm, jim roberts roberts wrote: > how about a pdf with everything about unix, computer architecture and > indeed open source and the battle aginst the microsoft maelstrom. Do you realize how large of a PDF that would be? Instead, go grab the latest "Complete FreeBSD", "UNIX System Administration", and "Open Sources" from O'Reilly. Those three books should cover everything you mentioned. > ps do you have java compilers ,interpreters javadoc etc with freebsd? But of course! David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 17:06:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4DC37B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-relay-2.adobe.com (smtp-relay-2.adobe.com [192.150.11.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF49943FBD for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rolnif@mac.com) Received: from inner-relay-1.corp.adobe.com (inner-relay-1 [153.32.1.51]) h5H06lOh003688 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (mailsj-dev.corp.adobe.com [153.32.1.192])h5H06grj010370 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com ([153.32.129.125]) by mailsj-v1.corp.adobe.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 v1 Jul 11 2001 16:32:57) with ESMTP id HGLMZ400.EN4; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:40 -0700 Message-ID: <3EEE5B90.5040304@mac.com> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:06:40 -0700 From: John Martinez User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030404 Minotaur/0.1a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnson David References: <000a01c3346a$cf1455e0$45840350@f7o6v7> <200306161701.59666.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200306161701.59666.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: jim roberts roberts cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: i am a newbie to unix linux etc etc and using commas X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:06:50 -0000 Johnson David wrote: > > Do you realize how large of a PDF that would be? No doubt! > Instead, go grab the latest "Complete FreeBSD", "UNIX System > Administration", and "Open Sources" from O'Reilly. Those three books > should cover everything you mentioned. And most of those documents will take the high road on why UNIX and BSD are great operating systems. Too much MS bashing can sometimes have the opposite of the desired effect. -john From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 17:26:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA8637B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f41.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE75243F75 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:26:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:26:30 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:26:29 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: kenoyer130@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:26:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 00:26:30.0607 (UTC) FILETIME=[193ADDF0:01C33467] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up FTP server X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:26:31 -0000 On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 17:43:34 "jon kenoyer" wrote: > >I am interested in setting up a dedicated FTP server at our work and >was wondering what everyone's thoughts were. > >Here are the requirements: > >Can turn off anonymous access >custom username/passwords and standard ftp access privilages >Works with any standard ftp client >Folders displayed depending on the user browsing. >Speed is king. This server will only have 3-5 simulataneous >connections but we have large (300-1 gig) files to move around. >Anything I can do on the server end to increase the output to the >clients would help immensely. > >Should I go with the standard ftpd or is there a better FTP daemon >service in the ports collection? > I've been very satisfied with pure-ftpd, though I largely just use it for personal purposes. (It's in /ports/ftp.) It may fall a bit short on configurability for what it sounds like you want to do. AFAIK, only one group can have trusted access. The best thing you could probably do is to have a trusted access group and chroot the users (by pure-ftpd command-line options), then the users would be allowed priviledged access, while being confined to their home directory. I think if you got creative with null mounts, you could manage access to different resources from within their home directory. (I'm not going to say too much about that, though, because I don't really know.) I've tested it with explorer, netscape, and konqueror; I've never run into a problem. I'm unaware of any speed issues with large files. Peace, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 22:06:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6359137B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from silver.reallynicehosting.com (silver.reallynicehosting.com [216.40.238.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B047A43FE1 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:06:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hosting@reallynicehosting.com) Received: from bigblackhole (ts46-01-qdr64.astra.or.charter.com [66.190.246.64]) (authenticated (0 bits))h5H53ib16538 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:03:44 -0700 From: "Jesse Wilson" Sender: "RN Hosting" To: Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:19 -0700 Message-ID: <012301c3348e$785bd330$6501a8c0@bigblackhole> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: VERY stupid n00b thing to do X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:06:41 -0000 Well here's my dumb newbie mistake. I desperately needed to compile disk quota support into my server in a hurry so I went to the manual and read through real quick, went to the /sys dir where the kernels are and saw two kernels, generic, the one that was installed, and lint, the one that already had quota support turned on. So I made, compiled, installed, and rebooted with the LINT kernel. The worst part is that this server is at a colo facility and I'm hoping that I can get the support crew there to reboot the server to kernel.old but it's been an hour with a completely dead server and no response, and it's 10 at night so who knows if they even have anyone there right now, even though they say that they have 24x7 support. If there happens to be anyone else out there, who like me, didn't know what the LINT kernel is, it's a non working kernel that apparently has every single option turned on or something. I guess that I should have googled for "lint kernel" before I tried installing it. :-/ Jesse From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 16 22:11:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E49737B401 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web42006.mail.yahoo.com (web42006.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DFDD43F93 for ; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:11:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chkrootkit@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030617043623.72562.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.81.160.16] by web42006.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:36:23 PDT Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Marlon Corleone To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: 3 button mouse question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 05:11:47 -0000 why is it, my mouse still works when i set the device: /dev/psm0 at the xf86config i choose ps/2 as the protocol, and i enable emulate 3 buttons, after that my mouse works but i cant use my mouse middle buttons since its a 3 button mouse. do i have to change the device to its default? since by default FreeBSD 3 buttons mouse is set to /dev/sysmouse, and from the handbook sez if i choose 3 button mouse i have to DISABLE the emulate 3 buttons. i hope anyone can clarify and explain much better, thanks all. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 06:26:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B382937B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:26:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail022.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E31843FBD for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 06:26:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au) Received: from 10.0.0.19 (c16844.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au [211.28.125.210]) h5HDQNa18184 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:26:23 +1000 From: David Lodeiro To: Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:26:13 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Desktop Environment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:26:26 -0000 What would be the fastest, most efficient desktop environment to use on freebsd? Thanks David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 09:02:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333FD37B41E for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:02:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.uits.uconn.edu (mail1.uits.uconn.edu [137.99.25.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76E043F75 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:02:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@forsetti.com) Received: from forsetti.com (d80h149.public.uconn.edu [137.99.80.149]) by mail1.uits.uconn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h5HG1tS15182; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:01:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3EEF3B7A.3080100@forsetti.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:02:02 -0400 From: Matt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030613 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lodeiro References: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop Environment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:02:06 -0000 {flux/black/open}box or, of course, twm has a pretty small footprint.... David Lodeiro wrote: >What would be the fastest, most efficient desktop environment to use on >freebsd? > >Thanks > >David > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:08:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7233D37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f16.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F057343F93 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:08:35 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:35 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: noname2796@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:35 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 17:08:35.0812 (UTC) FILETIME=[16A51240:01C334F3] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VERY stupid n00b thing to do X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:08:36 -0000 On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:19 "Jesse Wilson" wrote: > >Well here's my dumb newbie mistake. > >I desperately needed to compile disk quota support into my server in a >hurry so I went to the manual and read through real quick, went to the >/sys dir where the kernels are and saw two kernels, generic, the one >that was installed, and lint, the one that already had quota support >turned on. > >So I made, compiled, installed, and rebooted with the LINT kernel. > >The worst part is that this server is at a colo facility and I'm hoping >that I can get the support crew there to reboot the server to kernel.old >but it's been an hour with a completely dead server and no response, and >it's 10 at night so who knows if they even have anyone there right now, >even though they say that they have 24x7 support. > >If there happens to be anyone else out there, who like me, didn't know >what the LINT kernel is, it's a non working kernel that apparently has >every single option turned on or something. > >I guess that I should have googled for "lint kernel" before I tried >installing it. :-/ > >Jesse > chapter 9, section 6, of the handbook describes the steps to revert to the last working kernel. See it here: http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-trouble.html Peace, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:09:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9CD337B404 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.attbi.com (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024AA43F3F for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:09:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fearow@attbi.com) Received: from god.woofcat.com ([12.251.110.17]) by attbi.com (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <20030617154452011007tknje>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:44:52 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:44:22 -0500 From: Anti To: David Lodeiro Message-Id: <20030617104422.18ad9dfb.fearow@attbi.com> In-Reply-To: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> References: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Organization: Woofcat X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop Environment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:09:41 -0000 On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 23:26:13 +1000 David Lodeiro wrote: > What would be the fastest, most efficient desktop environment to use on > freebsd? icewm is nice... -Anti From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:16:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3169737B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CF643FA3 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:15:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HGM007F0YK6D1@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:03:34 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7NGRQC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:04:33 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:15:00 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <20030617043623.72562.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com> To: Marlon Corleone , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200306171015.00600.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030617043623.72562.qmail@web42006.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 3 button mouse question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:16:00 -0000 On Monday 16 June 2003 09:36 pm, Marlon Corleone wrote: > do i have to change the device to its default? since by default > FreeBSD 3 buttons mouse is set to /dev/sysmouse, and from the > handbook sez if i choose 3 button mouse i have to DISABLE the emulate > 3 buttons. This should be sent to the -questions list. But briefly, use sysmouse if it supports your mouse. I've used a variety of three button mice under FreeBSD, and I've never had a problem with sysmouse. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:18:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CECD37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail8-sh.home.nl (mail8.home.nl [213.51.128.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A49F43F93 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:18:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nascar24@home.nl) Received: from home.nl ([217.120.167.10]) by mail8-sh.home.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.05.17 201-253-122-126-117-20021021) with ESMTP id <20030617171825.SOKA29574.mail8-sh.home.nl@home.nl>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:18:25 +0200 Message-ID: <3EEF4D62.3070502@home.nl> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 19:18:26 +0200 From: Marcel Dijk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lodeiro References: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Desktop Environment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:18:27 -0000 Hello David, Well, I use Window Maker. It's pretty barebones yet I think it's effecient. It's also fast, much faster than KDE or Gnome. I personally dislike FVWM and FVWM2, they look to "rough" and unpolsihed for me. I also wanted a efficient, fast and resource concious window manager and settled for window maker. A friend of mine is now using Fluxbox, he thinks it's "the business". Both are in the ports. That sums up my addition to this thread. Greetings, Marcel. David Lodeiro wrote: >What would be the fastest, most efficient desktop environment to use on >freebsd? > >Thanks > >David > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D496737B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f8.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D9A43FBF for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:24:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:24:31 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:24:30 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: chkrootkit@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:24:30 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 17:24:31.0197 (UTC) FILETIME=[501940D0:01C334F5] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3 button mouse question X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:24:32 -0000 On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:36:23 Marlon Corleone wrote: > >why is it, my mouse still works when i set the device: /dev/psm0 at the >xf86config > >i choose ps/2 as the protocol, and i enable emulate 3 buttons, after that >my mouse works but i cant use my mouse middle buttons since its a 3 button >mouse. > >do i have to change the device to its default? since by default FreeBSD 3 >buttons mouse is set to /dev/sysmouse, and from the handbook sez if i >choose 3 button mouse i have to DISABLE the emulate 3 buttons. > >i hope anyone can clarify and explain much better, thanks all. > Emulate 3 button mouse is for two button mice; if you have a three button mouse it's unneeded. That's probably at least part of the problem. I don't really know enough about the different drivers (device names) to answer why both work, nor which is better. If it helps, I'm using sysmouse for my ps/2 here. Hope you get it worked out, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:38:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAFA737B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (ac17859.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE03D43FB1 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:38:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HGM0070QZLAIH@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:25:50 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7NGR0K; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:27:03 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:37:30 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> To: David Lodeiro , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200306171037.30793.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200306172326.13507.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: Desktop Environment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:38:17 -0000 On Tuesday 17 June 2003 06:26 am, David Lodeiro wrote: > What would be the fastest, most efficient desktop environment to use > on freebsd? Don't confuse "desktop environment" with a window manager. Blackbox uses very few resources, so on machines with few resources it will be faster, but it is not a desktop environment. The actual window managers of KDE and GNOME are very small and very fast. They just seem slow because you're running a desktop on top of them. You can use Blackbox as the window manager for KDE, but it will be just as "slow" as if you used the native "kwin". If you've got less than 64MB of memory then you may want to stick with a small window manager, but from my experience with more than 64MB, once you have the environment started you'll see no speed differences between a plain window manager and a full desktop. Efficiency depends on how you work. If you're a classic UNIX user who thinks that the only purpose of X is so you can have multiple terminals on the screen at once, then by all means stick with a small window manager. p.s. On this dual-boot Win2k/FreeBSD workstation, I once did some informal time comparisons. From bootup to login to the final rendering of my homepage in a browser, FreeBSD/KDE/Konqueror was faster than Win2K/Windows/IExplorer. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 10:44:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5490937B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web14601.mail.yahoo.com (web14601.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C100343FA3 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from plageotakes@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030617174436.22944.qmail@web14601.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.164.14.206] by web14601.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:44:36 PDT Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:44:36 -0700 (PDT) From: peter lageotakes To: Johnson David , David Lodeiro , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200306171037.30793.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Desktop Environment X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:44:37 -0000 Just for reference; the link list below give a decent review of several: Hope this helps. http://www.plig.org/xwinman/intro.html Pete --- Johnson David wrote: > On Tuesday 17 June 2003 06:26 am, David Lodeiro > wrote: > > What would be the fastest, most efficient desktop > environment to use > > on freebsd? > > Don't confuse "desktop environment" with a window > manager. Blackbox uses > very few resources, so on machines with few > resources it will be > faster, but it is not a desktop environment. > > The actual window managers of KDE and GNOME are very > small and very > fast. They just seem slow because you're running a > desktop on top of > them. You can use Blackbox as the window manager for > KDE, but it will > be just as "slow" as if you used the native "kwin". > If you've got less > than 64MB of memory then you may want to stick with > a small window > manager, but from my experience with more than 64MB, > once you have the > environment started you'll see no speed differences > between a plain > window manager and a full desktop. > > Efficiency depends on how you work. If you're a > classic UNIX user who > thinks that the only purpose of X is so you can have > multiple terminals > on the screen at once, then by all means stick with > a small window > manager. > > p.s. On this dual-boot Win2k/FreeBSD workstation, I > once did some > informal time comparisons. From bootup to login to > the final rendering > of my homepage in a browser, FreeBSD/KDE/Konqueror > was faster than > Win2K/Windows/IExplorer. > > David > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 13:17:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173DA37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BAY0-HMR11.adinternal.hotmail.com (bay0-hmr11.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.241.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC5543F85 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:17:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tpidluberg@hotmail.com) Received: from hotmail.com ([64.4.19.3]) by BAY0-HMR11.adinternal.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:17:16 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:17:16 -0700 Received: from 142.173.124.111 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:17:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [142.173.124.111] X-Originating-Email: [tpidluberg@hotmail.com] From: "Tony Pidluberg" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:17:16 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jun 2003 20:17:16.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[7243F890:01C3350D] Subject: HELP!!! I'm a newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:17:17 -0000 Dear Mam/Sir I have a fair knowledge of commandline and win32, but recently I've decided to take on freebsd "as a newbie" to expand my knowledge of the diffrernt OS's. I'm having various after install issues and can't seem to find a forum that is dealing with some of the more basic concepts. I have read the freeBSD handbook & the porters handbook, but am still having problems. I want to install the sources for the ports from a CD, not ftp. I've done a full install and even added a lInux and DOS partition using the BSD boot manager. PLease help _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 13:26:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C191B37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 34F1243F85 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:26:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Received: from adsl-67-39-35-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net (HELO bsdprophet.org) (bsdprophet%sbcglobal.net@67.39.35.214 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2003 20:26:28 -0000 Message-ID: <3EEF79A1.8090405@bsdprophet.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 15:27:13 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Pidluberg References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HELP!!! I'm a newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:26:30 -0000 Oops here it is! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.html Tony Pidluberg wrote: > Dear Mam/Sir > > I have a fair knowledge of commandline and win32, but recently I've > decided to take on freebsd "as a newbie" to expand my knowledge of the > diffrernt OS's. I'm having various after install issues and can't seem > to find a forum that is dealing with some of the more basic concepts. I > have read the freeBSD handbook & the porters handbook, but am still > having problems. I want to install the sources for the ports from a CD, > not ftp. I've done a full install and even added a lInux and DOS > partition using the BSD boot manager. > > PLease help > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *BSD is for People who Love *nix; Linux is for People who Hate Windows From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 14:42:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD81837B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.attbi.com (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E369B43F75 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:42:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.dougb.net (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20030617214251016001m87pe>; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:42:51 +0000 Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:42:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Tony Pidluberg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030617144106.F641@znfgre.qbhto.arg> References: Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HELP!!! I'm a newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:42:53 -0000 On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Tony Pidluberg wrote: > Dear Mam/Sir > > I have a fair knowledge of commandline and win32, but recently I've > decided to take on freebsd "as a newbie" to expand my knowledge of the > diffrernt OS's. I'm having various after install issues and can't seem to > find a forum that is dealing with some of the more basic concepts. I have > read the freeBSD handbook & the porters handbook, but am still having > problems. I want to install the sources for the ports from a CD, not ftp. > I've done a full install and even added a lInux and DOS partition using the > BSD boot manager. You want to describe your problems, in as much detail as possible, on the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org list. If you ever wonder where to send a question, that's always a safe bet. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 18:27:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEEE37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FCB43F85 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:27:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([62.31.198.203]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:27:49 +0100 From: John Murphy To: "Tony Pidluberg" Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 02:27:48 +0100 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jun 2003 01:27:49.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[D47DA2B0:01C33538] cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HELP!!! I'm a newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:27:52 -0000 "Tony Pidluberg" wrote: >I want to install the sources for the ports from a CD, not ftp. The sources for the entire ports tree would be massive. There are about 8,000 ports currently. I don't know of any CDs that include ports sources, these days, so if you don't want pre-compiled packages you will have to use ftp. Even with minimal ftp access you can explore the ports you are = particularly interested in by installing the 'skeletons'. =46ollow the instructions at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports-using.htm= l When the tree is installed it's best to 'cvsup' immediately. The sources are 'a work in progress' so you wouldn't want to be limited to the out of date Makefiles etc. on your CD. All you need do then is to: # cd /usr/ports # make search key=3D"whatever" then 'cd' to the location indicated and simply: # make install If all goes well (and it won't if you don't have ftp access) the ports = system will download the tarballs containing the sources for all of the = dependencies required by the 'target' program, check the sanity of the environment, = and eventually make and install the desired application. I frequently watch in awe as the compilation proceeds and almost always = ends up with a functioning "whatever". You've obviously got some level of internet connectivity, so why can't you use ftp? --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 20:56:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A855F37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1-0.chcgil.ameritech.net (mail1-0.chcgil.ameritech.net [206.141.192.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04EBD43F85 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:56:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from snoopy248th@ameritech.net) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([64.108.44.135]) by mail1-0.chcgil.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP <20030618035628.ZYTO21870.mail1-0.chcgil.ameritech.net@[192.168.1.2]> for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:56:28 -0500 From: Kris Kerwin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:56:17 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306172256.18111.snoopy248th@ameritech.net> Subject: Newbie Right of Passage -- Kernel Compilation Problems :-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 03:56:30 -0000 Hello all, This might be more of a question for the freebsd-questions mailing list, but, knowing my luck, I probably just made a newbie mistake. :-) While compiling my kernel (using the 5.1-RELEASE source), I ran into an error while trying to compile /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c. I did my homework, and learned that NPX is one of those device drivers that you really can't live without (it takes care of Floating Point Math), so, I can't just comment that line out of my kernel config. The error? I cut the output of 'make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL': cc1: warnings being treated as errors /usr/target/src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c:1075: warning: `npx_driver' defined but not used /usr/target/src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c:1081: warning: `npx_devclass' defined but not used I resynced my source tree, and tried to recompile; no joy, same errors. I tried running with the -k argument to ignore errors, and it told me at the end of the compile that making 'all' failed. I tried the traditional '/usr/sbin/config' 'make depend' 'make' 'make install', still got teh same errors. I tried looking at the source for npx.c itself, and couldn't make heads or tales of it. :-) ... I'm more of an end-user than a developer, the only tutorial I've done is 'Hello World!' I did 'grep -n' the file and searched for those two functions, and did find them, but wasn't sure if I should risk commenting them out. My luck, my mistake was made long before it got to the source code. As of yet, I havn't been able to find an FAQ with an answer to this one, and no amount of googling the rest of the internet or freebsd.org has been able to help me either. Any ideas? Did I just make another goof? Thanks for all of your help. Kris Kerwin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 21:59:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA2E37B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83BE43FCB for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:59:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from manfred.lotz@web.de) Received: from [213.23.219.47] (helo=wizard.sanskrit.local.net) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.98 #232) id 19SV2B-0008L0-00; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:58:59 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wizard.sanskrit.local.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5FC32F7F; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:58:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Manfred Lotz To: Kris Kerwin , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:58:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200306172256.18111.snoopy248th@ameritech.net> In-Reply-To: <200306172256.18111.snoopy248th@ameritech.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306180658.57904.manfred.lotz@web.de> Sender: manfred.lotz@web.de Subject: Re: Newbie Right of Passage -- Kernel Compilation Problems :-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 04:59:03 -0000 On Wednesday 18 June 2003 05:56, Kris Kerwin wrote: > Hello all, > > This might be more of a question for the freebsd-questions mailing list, > but, knowing my luck, I probably just made a newbie mistake. :-) > > While compiling my kernel (using the 5.1-RELEASE source), I ran into an > error while trying to compile /usr/src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c. I did my > homework, and learned that NPX is one of those device drivers that you > really can't live without (it takes care of Floating Point Math), so, I > can't just comment that line out of my kernel config. > > The error? I cut the output of 'make buildkernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL': > > cc1: warnings being treated as errors > /usr/target/src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c:1075: warning: `npx_driver' defined but > not used > /usr/target/src/sys/i386/isa/npx.c:1081: warning: `npx_devclass' defined > but not used > Could it be you removed device isa from the kernel config file? If yes put it back. You definitely need it because at least fd and atkbdc depend on it. Manfred From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 17 22:06:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0C837B401 for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ED943FBF for ; Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:06:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F400851A9D; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:36:31 +0930 (CST) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:36:31 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: David Lodeiro Message-ID: <20030618050631.GP93137@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200306152155.47457.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="K8zN2sh9fO5jmbe4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200306152155.47457.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: FreeBSD-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Dual Screen X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 05:06:09 -0000 --K8zN2sh9fO5jmbe4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 15 June 2003 at 21:55:47 +1000, David Lodeiro wrote: > Hey, > > Im after some info on setting up dual screen on Xfree86 ( Radeon 8500 specific > would be great but not necessary) Im having trouble finding any thorough > documentation on it on google. If someone could lead me in the right > direction would be great. Try asking on FreeBSD-questions. -newbies is for chat, not technical advice. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --K8zN2sh9fO5jmbe4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+7/NXIubykFB6QiMRAqshAKCNWcyTMX9Y27qRRXGiaey/pMynRwCgoFxB uu4/c2eLthqNMAn2ypq6A3M= =SrRD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --K8zN2sh9fO5jmbe4-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 06:45:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AD537B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web20713.mail.yahoo.com (web20713.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.154]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 701EC43F93 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangle_bot@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030618134539.86482.qmail@web20713.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [81.182.49.105] by web20713.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:45:39 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Bangle Bot To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: adjkerntz X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:45:40 -0000 Hi everyone! I am a real newbie to BSD. I installed the system, and now I get these mail. About 30 per day. From: Cron Daemon [root@mybig.com] Subject: Cron adjkerntz - usage: adjkerntz -i (initial call from /etc/rc) adjkerntz -a [-s] (adjustment call, -s for sleep/retry mode) Please HELP; --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 06:55:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4A4137B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 67A5D43FAF for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 06:55:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Received: from adsl-67-39-35-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net (HELO bsdprophet.org) (bsdprophet%sbcglobal.net@67.39.35.214 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 13:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF06F69.1040306@bsdprophet.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:55:53 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bangle Bot References: <20030618134539.86482.qmail@web20713.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030618134539.86482.qmail@web20713.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: adjkerntz X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:55:02 -0000 try "man adjkerntz" on a terminal. Bangle Bot wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I am a real newbie to BSD. > I installed the system, and now I get these mail. About 30 per day. > > From: Cron Daemon [root@mybig.com] > Subject: Cron adjkerntz - > usage: adjkerntz -i > (initial call from /etc/rc) > adjkerntz -a [-s] > (adjustment call, -s for sleep/retry mode) > > Please HELP; > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *BSD is for People who Love *nix; Linux is for People who Hate Windows From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 07:43:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C2D37B404 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2D01343FDD for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from noname2796@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030618144311.16765.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.190.246.64] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:43:11 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:43:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jesse W." To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: VERY stupid n00b thing to do X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: noname2796@yahoo.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 14:43:12 -0000 Oh I didn't have a problem changing kernels once the server was live again, I just don't have physical access to the machine so my only problem was waiting 2 hours for support to reboot the machine to kernel.old Then I did it the correct way and just copied the generic kernel config and only added the options QUOTA line that I needed. I'd just never heard of a LINT kernel being new to FreeBSD... if Linux has one I never noticed it. Thing should come with a big warning label for dummies like me :) Jesse --- clayton rollins wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:19 "Jesse Wilson" > wrote: > > > >Well here's my dumb newbie mistake. > > > >I desperately needed to compile disk quota > support into my server in a > >hurry so I went to the manual and read through > real quick, went to the > >/sys dir where the kernels are and saw two > kernels, generic, the one > >that was installed, and lint, the one that > already had quota support > >turned on. > > > >So I made, compiled, installed, and rebooted > with the LINT kernel. > > > >The worst part is that this server is at a > colo facility and I'm hoping > >that I can get the support crew there to > reboot the server to kernel.old > >but it's been an hour with a completely dead > server and no response, and > >it's 10 at night so who knows if they even > have anyone there right now, > >even though they say that they have 24x7 > support. > > > >If there happens to be anyone else out there, > who like me, didn't know > >what the LINT kernel is, it's a non working > kernel that apparently has > >every single option turned on or something. > > > >I guess that I should have googled for "lint > kernel" before I tried > >installing it. :-/ > > > >Jesse > > > > chapter 9, section 6, of the handbook describes > the steps to revert to the > last working kernel. See it here: > http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-trouble.html > > Peace, > Clayton > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail > protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 08:02:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 256BB37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A433943F3F for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Received: from adsl-67-39-35-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net (HELO bsdprophet.org) (bsdprophet%sbcglobal.net@67.39.35.214 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 15:02:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF07F27.3020708@bsdprophet.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 10:03:03 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: noname2796@yahoo.com References: <20030618144311.16765.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030618144311.16765.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VERY stupid n00b thing to do X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:02:14 -0000 Right at the beginning of the /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/LINT file: # NB: You probably don't want to try running a kernel built from this # file. Instead, you should start from GENERIC, and add options from # this file as required. LINT is not new to FreeBSD, in fact it is not in 5.x anymore! Jesse W. wrote: > Oh I didn't have a problem changing kernels once > the server was live again, I just don't have > physical access to the machine so my only problem > was waiting 2 hours for support to reboot the > machine to kernel.old > > Then I did it the correct way and just copied the > generic kernel config and only added the options > QUOTA line that I needed. > > I'd just never heard of a LINT kernel being new > to FreeBSD... if Linux has one I never noticed > it. Thing should come with a big warning label > for dummies like me :) > > Jesse > > --- clayton rollins > wrote: > >> >> >>On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:08:19 "Jesse Wilson" >> wrote: >> >>>Well here's my dumb newbie mistake. >>> >>>I desperately needed to compile disk quota >> >>support into my server in a >> >>>hurry so I went to the manual and read through >> >>real quick, went to the >> >>>/sys dir where the kernels are and saw two >> >>kernels, generic, the one >> >>>that was installed, and lint, the one that >> >>already had quota support >> >>>turned on. >>> >>>So I made, compiled, installed, and rebooted >> >>with the LINT kernel. >> >>>The worst part is that this server is at a >> >>colo facility and I'm hoping >> >>>that I can get the support crew there to >> >>reboot the server to kernel.old >> >>>but it's been an hour with a completely dead >> >>server and no response, and >> >>>it's 10 at night so who knows if they even >> >>have anyone there right now, >> >>>even though they say that they have 24x7 >> >>support. >> >>>If there happens to be anyone else out there, >> >>who like me, didn't know >> >>>what the LINT kernel is, it's a non working >> >>kernel that apparently has >> >>>every single option turned on or something. >>> >>>I guess that I should have googled for "lint >> >>kernel" before I tried >> >>>installing it. :-/ >>> >>>Jesse >>> >> >>chapter 9, section 6, of the handbook describes >>the steps to revert to the >>last working kernel. See it here: >> > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-trouble.html > >>Peace, >>Clayton >> >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > >>Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail >>protection with MSN 8. >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *BSD is for People who Love *nix; Linux is for People who Hate Windows From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 08:12:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819AE37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web14205.mail.yahoo.com (web14205.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ADA743F3F for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from temac@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030618151206.844.qmail@web14205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.22.62.79] by web14205.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:12:06 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:12:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas McIntyre To: noname2796@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: VERY stupid n00b thing to do X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:12:06 -0000 Jesse, >Then I did it the correct way and just copied the >generic kernel config and only added the options >QUOTA line that I needed. I'm not really a freebsd guru, but an incrementally more correct way might be to look at your `dmesg` and comment out device drivers and options you don't need. That way you can also optimize the kernel to 686, strip it down, and put a different id on it then "GENERIC". You might also want to check you /etc/make.conf file, too, to make sure you are using the most suitable compilation options. In particular, you should consider fetching ports and synchronizing source from a local mirror. You show know how to cvsup source to a stable release as well as the recommended make kernel, make world, mergemaster sequence. There are example cvsup files under /usr/share/examples/cvsup/. I usually pick one, modify it slightly, move it /etc and then modify /etc/make.conf to use it. If you're on the intranet, you'll want to know how to do this to keep your machine properly patched. Instructions can be found in the handbook as well as in the Makefile under /usr/src. I believe there's a port that will fetch binary security patches, but most of the fun with freebsd is getting to work directly with the source! Good luck, I've found freebsd the most fun 'nix to work with so far, so you're def on the right track. Tom McIntyre __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 09:43:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F0A37B401; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from storrs.net (dhcp137.santafe.edu [192.12.12.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A9643F85; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 09:43:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from carl@storrs.net) Received: from xi.storrs.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by xi.storrs.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h5G4vB15006480; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:57:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from carl@xi.storrs.net) Received: (from carl@localhost) by xi.storrs.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h5G4vAhu006479; Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 00:57:10 -0400 From: Carl McTague To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030616045710.GA6358@xi.storrs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE i386 Subject: choppy dsp (mono/stereo problem?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:43:10 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to use ohphone, but am having a low-level problem with sound-in; it sounds choppy; it sounds as though a mono signal encoded in stereo with a silent channel is being misinterpreted as a single mono stream. For example, if the sound was abcd it plays back a0b0c0d0 (where 0 is silence). I can reproduce the same choppyness by running: wavrec test.wav (installed from the ports). But in this case, I can fix it by doing wavrec -S test.wav where -S "set[s] stereo mode." I get the same thing within xwave by changing between mono and stereo record modes. Furthermore, I if I do cat /dev/audio > test.raw cat test.raw > /dev/audio I get a similar (but somewhat more severe) choppiness. Any ideas? I'm using 4.7-RELEASE and (carl@xi:~) cat /dev/sndstat FreeBSD Audio Driver (newpcm) Installed devices: pcm0: at io 0xd800, 0xdc80 irq 11 bufsz 16384 (1p/2r/0v channels duplex) Thanks. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 11:42:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257BE37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BASS2.srtnet.com (Bass2.srtnet.com [216.221.96.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E7543FA3 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:42:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from daveaas@srt.com) Received: from computer2 (dsl-101-131.srtnet.com [216.221.101.131]) by BASS2.srtnet.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id h5IIfx4w025318 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:41:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301c335c9$5b2b7860$1601a8c0@computer2> From: "Dave Aas" To: Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:42:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LINT X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:42:08 -0000 I just noticed myself that LINT is gone in 5.0+ What replaces LINT? Is there a reason it was eliminated? Dave Aas From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 11:49:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF1937B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web14201.mail.yahoo.com (web14201.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40DC043F85 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from temac@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030618184901.37436.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.22.62.126] by web14201.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:49:01 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 11:49:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas McIntyre To: daveaas@srt.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LINT X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 18:49:02 -0000 Dave, I just ventured into CURRENT myself in hot pursuit of the sparc64 port. I think the question you are asking can be found in NOTES... # $FreeBSD: src/sys/sparc64/conf/NOTES,v 1.3 2003/06/11 23:42:41 jake Exp $ # # This file contains machine dependent kernel configuration notes. For # machine independent notes, look in /sys/conf/NOTES. Tom McIntyre > I just noticed myself that LINT is gone in 5.0+ > > What replaces LINT? > > Is there a reason it was eliminated? > > Dave Aas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 12:22:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EED637B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE64643F85 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 12:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA333243CA; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:22:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 67F15243CD; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 21:22:21 +0200 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: Dave Aas Message-ID: <20030618192221.GH54568@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <003301c335c9$5b2b7860$1601a8c0@computer2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003301c335c9$5b2b7860$1601a8c0@computer2> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/pgp.txt X-3w: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/ X-voice: +48 692 412 424 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS (prioris) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LINT X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:22:33 -0000 --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:42:22PM -0500, Dave Aas wrote: > I just noticed myself that LINT is gone in 5.0+ >=20 > What replaces LINT? >=20 > Is there a reason it was eliminated? It is not! It is called NOTES. Or cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; make LINT=20 Cheers, greg -- Grzegorz Czaplinski "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj7wu+wACgkQpw+idSSJRp92fwCgs/WiHIOm2CzGfHeCW/JByO1w HcQAmwZQM1gguleVqf1kJbKvlAxHwadl =vrPG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzX0AQGjRQPusK/O-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 13:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A96C37B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98E2343F3F for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:08:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Received: from adsl-67-39-35-214.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net (HELO bsdprophet.org) (bsdprophet%sbcglobal.net@67.39.35.214 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2003 20:08:36 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF0C6FC.1060904@bsdprophet.org> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 15:09:32 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Grzegorz Czaplinski References: <003301c335c9$5b2b7860$1601a8c0@computer2> <20030618192221.GH54568@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> In-Reply-To: <20030618192221.GH54568@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Dave Aas cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: LINT X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 20:08:41 -0000 Strange, right in the handbook under 9.4 Configuration http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html "Note: In FreeBSD 5.X and above the LINT is non-existent. See the NOTES file for architecture dependent options. Some options, mainly architecture independent ones, are stored in the /usr/src/sys/conf/NOTES file. Its advisable to review the options in here also." Grzegorz Czaplinski wrote: > On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 01:42:22PM -0500, Dave Aas wrote: > >>I just noticed myself that LINT is gone in 5.0+ >> >>What replaces LINT? >> >>Is there a reason it was eliminated? > > > It is not! It is called NOTES. > Or cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf; make LINT > > Cheers, > greg > -- > Grzegorz Czaplinski > "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F -- *BSD is for People who Love *nix; Linux is for People who Hate Windows From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 16:53:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC7037B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc13.attbi.com (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6BC443F3F for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:53:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from master.dougb.net (12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com[12.234.22.23](untrusted sender)) by attbi.com (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2003061823535601600plbeue>; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:53:57 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Kris Kerwin In-Reply-To: <200306172256.18111.snoopy248th@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <20030618165315.M1642@znfgre.qbhto.arg> References: <200306172256.18111.snoopy248th@ameritech.net> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Newbie Right of Passage -- Kernel Compilation Problems :-) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:53:59 -0000 On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Kris Kerwin wrote: > Hello all, > > This might be more of a question for the freebsd-questions mailing list, but, > knowing my luck, I probably just made a newbie mistake. :-) If you're discussing your experiences as a new user, it belongs here. If you're asking for help, it belongs on -questions. Hope this helps, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 18 22:14:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0A437B401 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 90B2743FA3 for ; Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:14:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from derwood@naebunny.net) Received: from adsl-66-72-129-252.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net (HELO derwood2) (sir?slig@sbcglobal.net@66.72.129.252 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 05:14:17 -0000 From: "Darin" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 01:14:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c33621$a1cf3d80$1500a8c0@derwood2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: FreeBSD 5.1 and localdaemons X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 05:14:18 -0000 Hello, This is my first try at FreeBSD. I've been able to get the install completed and that seems fine. I started compiling ports in and have discovered a problem. I compiled = in ProFTPD and MySQL along with all their dependencies and found that they = were not starting up when the box would boot up. I've checked /usr/local/etc/rc.d and can see the scripts there for = proftpd and mysql. I checked the /etc/defaults/rc.conf and the path for local_startup is set to /usr/local/etc/rc.d The execute bit is set for all the startup scripts in = /usr/local/etc/rc.d also.. I tried turning on the rc_debug option so that I could see what happened = in the dmesg. And I can see the following from dmesg -a output: /etc/rc: DEBUG: run_rc_command: evaluating local_start(). Starting local daemons: . But, the ProFTPD and MySQL still wont start.. I did some digging in the scripts in /etc/rc.d and found the local and localdaemons scripts.. After playing around a bit, I found that the localdaemons script is actually what executes the local scripts.. But = for whatever reason, local is not starting localdaemons. I can start both daemons manually by running their scripts manually, so theres no problem that I can see with the installation.. I tried adding a line to the /etc/rc.d/local script that called the localdaemons script.. When I rebooted, MySQL and ProFTPD start fine = during boot.. Anyone have any ideas on this one?? Darin - Here is the local script: #!/bin/sh # # $NetBSD: local,v 1.6 2002/03/22 04:33:59 thorpej Exp $ # $FreeBSD: src/etc/rc.d/local,v 1.4 2002/10/17 23:46:32 sobomax Exp $ # # PROVIDE: local # REQUIRE: DAEMON # BEFORE: LOGIN # KEYWORD: FreeBSD NetBSD shutdown . /etc/rc.subr name=3D"local" start_cmd=3D"local_start" stop_cmd=3D"local_stop" local_start() { echo -n 'Starting local daemons:' if [ -f /etc/rc.local ]; then . /etc/rc.local fi echo '.' } # . /etc/rc.d/localdaemons start ##I added this line to = call localdaemons. When uncommented MySQL and ProFPTD start fine. local_stop() { echo -n 'Shutting down local daemons:' if [ -f /etc/rc.shutdown.local ]; then . /etc/rc.shutdown.local fi echo '.' } load_rc_config $name run_rc_command "$1" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 00:21:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF0137B42F for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp803.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1020E43FA3 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:21:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from derwood@naebunny.net) Received: from adsl-66-72-129-252.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net (HELO derwood2) (sir?slig@sbcglobal.net@66.72.129.252 with login) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jun 2003 07:20:59 -0000 From: "Darin" To: Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 03:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c33633$55431ec0$1500a8c0@derwood2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20030619065308.57170.qmail@web14201.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5.1 and localdaemons X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 07:21:00 -0000 I checked and my localdaemons is the same as yours: #!/bin/sh # # $FreeBSD: src/etc/rc.d/localdaemons,v 1.2 2003/05/05 15:38:41 mtm Exp $ # # PROVIDE: localdaemons # REQUIRE: abi # BEFORE: securelevel # KEYWORD: FreeBSD shutdown . /etc/rc.subr name="localdaemons" start_cmd="locald_start" stop_cmd="locald_stop" Thanks for the idea though.. Darin - -----Original Message----- From: Thomas McIntyre [mailto:temac@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:53 AM To: derwood@naebunny.net Subject: RE: FreeBSD 5.1 and localdaemons Darin, > But, the ProFTPD and MySQL still wont start.. It seems odd, but reviewing the start up scripts leads me to suspect that maybe you don't have the right keywords in your localdaemons script. Mine (sparc64) looks like this: # PROVIDE: localdaemons # REQUIRE: abi # BEFORE: securelevel # KEYWORD: FreeBSD shutdown I think at minimum, you'll need the PROVIDE: localdaemons and KEYWORD: FreeBSD lines to automatically invoke the script. Let me know, I'm curious. Thx, Tom McIntyre __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 19 08:11:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC4437B401 for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web20712.mail.yahoo.com (web20712.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EF6643F3F for ; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:11:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bangle_bot@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030619151152.18803.qmail@web20712.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.228.252.66] by web20712.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:11:52 PDT Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 08:11:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bangle Bot To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: adjkerntz X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:11:53 -0000 Hello, > try "man adjkerntz" on a terminal. But why do I get these E-mail messages all the time? How can I stop them? Please help me with this question. I know what adjkerntz is for, but don't know why this error comes. cheers; --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 00:36:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1033E37B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (etna.obsidian.co.za [196.36.119.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A9D43F93 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:36:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeandre@itvs.co.za) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etna.obsidian.co.za (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K7amXS009781 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:36:49 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost)h5K7am29009779 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:36:48 +0200 Received: from tarcil (tarcil [172.16.1.14]) by flash.itvs.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01299 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:04:50 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:27:39 +0200 (SAST) From: Jeandre du Toit X-X-Sender: jeandre@localhost.localdomain To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:36:55 -0000 I can't get X to start after installation, I think I might not understand the graphical configure tool. I have a Trident Cyberblade and it is on the list, but each time after I choose it and exit sysinstall says the configuration is wrong. I am using FreeBSD 4.7, I am downloading 5.1 but I don't know if I will have the same problem. I hope this is on the right list, I figure it is a problem because I am a newbie and not something for the questions list. Please let me know if I should rather post it there. Thanks Jeandre From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 00:52:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667BC37B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:52:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D6D43F93 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:52:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9BC243CC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:52:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 7CD6F24396; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:52:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:52:40 +0200 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: Jeandre du Toit Message-ID: <20030620075239.GA6028@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/pgp.txt X-3w: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/ X-voice: +48 692 412 424 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS (prioris) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 07:52:48 -0000 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:27:39AM +0200, Jeandre du Toit wrote: >=20 > I can't get X to start after installation, I think I might not understand= =20 > the graphical configure tool. I have a Trident Cyberblade and it is on th= e=20 > list, but each time after I choose it and exit sysinstall says the=20 > configuration is wrong. I am using FreeBSD 4.7, I am downloading 5.1 but = I=20 > don't know if I will have the same problem. >=20 > I hope this is on the right list, I figure it is a problem because I am a= =20 > newbie and not something for the questions list. Please let me know if I= =20 > should rather post it there. >=20 Hi! Have you red the Handbook at www.freebsd.org, section X window system? That may help you. Cheers, gregory -- Grzegorz Czaplinski "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj7yvUcACgkQpw+idSSJRp/+CgCePlRtKpd9wszx1I5sDvGWaUcl tdIAoMI+pVJrkNPyBJ9XKvBDOTiJzFia =CWEX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 01:06:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB7537B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (etna.obsidian.co.za [196.36.119.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C46043FAF for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:06:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeandre@itvs.co.za) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etna.obsidian.co.za (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5K86oXS014584; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:06:50 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost)h5K86oEw014582; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:06:50 +0200 Received: from tarcil (tarcil [172.16.1.14]) by flash.itvs.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01597; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:40:38 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:03:27 +0200 (SAST) From: Jeandre du Toit X-X-Sender: jeandre@localhost.localdomain To: Grzegorz Czaplinski In-Reply-To: <20030620075239.GA6028@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:06:53 -0000 Yes, I have read the Handbook. I just don't understand the funny interface for the Graphical configurator, it doesn't seem to save or something. We had a similiar problem at a friend last night with his GeForce 2 Ti, when we droped to the console configurator we got his card to work. On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, Grzegorz Czaplinski wrote: > On Fri, Jun 20, 2003 at 09:27:39AM +0200, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > > > > I can't get X to start after installation, I think I might not understand > > the graphical configure tool. I have a Trident Cyberblade and it is on the > > list, but each time after I choose it and exit sysinstall says the > > configuration is wrong. I am using FreeBSD 4.7, I am downloading 5.1 but I > > don't know if I will have the same problem. > > > > I hope this is on the right list, I figure it is a problem because I am a > > newbie and not something for the questions list. Please let me know if I > > should rather post it there. > > > > Hi! > Have you red the Handbook at www.freebsd.org, section X window system? > That may help you. > > Cheers, > gregory > -- > Grzegorz Czaplinski > "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ > Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 01:23:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0A9A37B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f7.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F8E43FAF for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:23:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 01:23:48 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:23:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: jeandre@itvs.co.za Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:23:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jun 2003 08:23:48.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[45C6B380:01C33705] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 08:23:49 -0000 On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:27:39 Jeandre du Toit wrote: > >I can't get X to start after installation, I think I might not understand >the graphical configure tool. I have a Trident Cyberblade and it is on the >list, but each time after I choose it and exit sysinstall says the >configuration is wrong. I am using FreeBSD 4.7, I am downloading 5.1 but I >don't know if I will have the same problem. > >I hope this is on the right list, I figure it is a problem because I am a >newbie and not something for the questions list. Please let me know if I >should rather post it there. > >Thanks >Jeandre > Since you came out and asked, the proper list is -questions. Though you are a newbie, and this may be a newbie problem, you're asking for technical advice, which should be done on -questions. You'll get a lot more knowledgeable replies there. You might include a bit more information on the error. i.e. where does it say the config. is wrong? In sysinstall? when starting X? If it's the second case, you might include relevant portions of /var/log/XFree86.0.log. Also, what does the error message say, exactly? You should probably also include the section from /etc/X11/XF86Config that defines the card. (It's generally not very hard to write/edit the config file to fix small problems; in some cases the 'tools' are harder to get to work right.) Hope you get it worked out, Clayton PS. You can also try googling for a working XF86Config similar to what you need, which has worked for me a few times in the past. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 02:48:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088AF37B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail011.syd.optusnet.com.au [210.49.20.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A750F43F85 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 02:47:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au) Received: from 10.0.0.19 (c16844.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au [211.28.125.210]) h5K9lcX06877; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:47:38 +1000 From: David Lodeiro To: Jeandre du Toit Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:47:26 +1000 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200306201947.26403.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:48:10 -0000 When you go to do the XFree config, wich option do you choose? Do you select the graphical option? On various installs I have found that method to be a real pain in the ass and it never seems to work right. Use option 3, Its not graphical but its not exactly command line either. Its goes through each section step by step. I dont know weather it will help you out , but give it a go. Good Luck David On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:27 pm, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > I can't get X to start after installation, I think I might not understand > the graphical configure tool. I have a Trident Cyberblade and it is on the > list, but each time after I choose it and exit sysinstall says the > configuration is wrong. I am using FreeBSD 4.7, I am downloading 5.1 but I > don't know if I will have the same problem. > > I hope this is on the right list, I figure it is a problem because I am a > newbie and not something for the questions list. Please let me know if I > should rather post it there. > > Thanks > Jeandre > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 03:18:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E6837B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (etna.obsidian.co.za [196.36.119.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E4143FB1 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 03:18:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeandre@itvs.co.za) Received: from etna.obsidian.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by etna.obsidian.co.za (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5KAIbXS001653; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:18:37 +0200 Received: (from uucp@localhost)h5KAIbs7001651; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:18:37 +0200 Received: from tarcil (tarcil [172.16.1.14]) by flash.itvs.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA02261; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:51:34 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:14:20 +0200 (SAST) From: Jeandre du Toit X-X-Sender: jeandre@localhost.localdomain To: David Lodeiro In-Reply-To: <200306201947.26403.dlodeiro@optusnet.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 10:18:41 -0000 That option seems to work alot better than the graphical option. I am glad that I am not the only person that suffers trying to use that. Thanks alot for all the help. Jeandre On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, David Lodeiro wrote: > When you go to do the XFree config, wich option do you choose? Do you select > the graphical option? On various installs I have found that method to be a > real pain in the ass and it never seems to work right. Use option 3, Its not > graphical but its not exactly command line either. Its goes through each > section step by step. I dont know weather it will help you out , but give it > a go. > > Good Luck > > David > > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 05:27 pm, Jeandre du Toit wrote: > > I can't get X to start after installation, I think I might not understand > > the graphical configure tool. I have a Trident Cyberblade and it is on the > > list, but each time after I choose it and exit sysinstall says the > > configuration is wrong. I am using FreeBSD 4.7, I am downloading 5.1 but I > > don't know if I will have the same problem. > > > > I hope this is on the right list, I figure it is a problem because I am a > > newbie and not something for the questions list. Please let me know if I > > should rather post it there. > > > > Thanks > > Jeandre > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 19:10:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E63F37B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0995D43F93 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:10:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5L2ADUp091482 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5L2ADgA091480 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200306210210.h5L2ADgA091480@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 02:10:14 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 20 22:58:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3253037B401 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web42005.mail.yahoo.com (web42005.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.173]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D50C643F75 for ; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:58:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chkrootkit@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030621055855.79285.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.81.179.118] by web42005.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:58:55 PDT Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Marlon Corleone To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: how to open FILE.db and file.mdb extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:58:56 -0000 hi, im running 4.8 do do i open this type of file extension, file.db and file.mdb is there in ports collection that can manage to view and open this type of file? thanks __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 05:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A25F837B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp809.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22C4343FBD for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scott@bsdprophet.org) Received: from adsl-67-39-39-84.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net (HELO bsdprophet.org) (bsdprophet%sbcglobal.net@67.39.39.84 with plain) by smtp-sbc-v1.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jun 2003 12:10:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3EF44B34.4010401@bsdprophet.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 07:10:28 -0500 From: Scott Corey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030516 X-Accept-Language: en-us, ja, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marlon Corleone References: <20030621055855.79285.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030621055855.79285.qmail@web42005.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: how to open FILE.db and file.mdb extension X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:10:21 -0000 try openoffice Marlon Corleone wrote: > hi, im running 4.8 do do i open this type of file > extension, file.db and file.mdb is there in ports > collection that can manage to view and open this type > of file? > > thanks > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- *BSD is for People who Love *nix; Linux is for People who Hate Windows From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 09:50:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F70137B401 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amanda.ok.turkuamk.fi (amanda.ok.turkuamk.fi [193.166.135.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C99C43F75 for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kim.fredenberg@dc.turkuamk.fi) Received: from dc.turkuamk.fi (private-27.private.softalabra.com [192.168.0.27]) by amanda.ok.turkuamk.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177885002A; Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:50:54 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3EF4B792.7000706@dc.turkuamk.fi> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:52:50 +0000 From: Kim Fredenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030324 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeandre du Toit References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: David Lodeiro cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: XFree86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 16:50:57 -0000 Jeandre du Toit wrote: >That option seems to work alot better than the graphical option. I am glad >that I am not the only person that suffers trying to use that. > >Thanks alot for all the help. >Jeandre > >On Fri, 20 Jun 2003, David Lodeiro wrote: > > > Hi, I typically do 'XFree86 -configure' as root. This method automtically detects your hardware. Then I manually edit the missing parts such as Monitor rates, keyboard layout etc. by hand. I find this an easy way of configuring X. After I did it in this way a couple of times it made me feel that it was much quicker and easier than any config frontend. Kim