From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 00:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE5B137B401; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B44643FBD; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B9EE7AE3BE; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030720071000.B9EE7AE3BE@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 00:10:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-29 - 2003-07-19 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 13-Jul : Phorum v3.4 -installation and configuration And we'll also cover conversion from MySQL to PostgreSQL http://freebsddiary.org/phorum-upgrade-3.4.3a.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 09:32:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 574A437B401; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:32:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [12.15.124.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E07B43F75; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:32:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RacerX@makeworld.com) Received: from makeworld (chcgil2-ar7-4-3-040-227.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net [4.3.40.227]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 46E1E7; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:32:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris" To: "Dan Langille" , , Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:31:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030713071001.A6DE1AE49C@nezlok.unixathome.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:32:34 -0000 As great as the Diary is, and I love it too - I am wondering. Since The Diary has ads, and if The Diary makes money with these ads, does it make it on how many users go to The Diary? If so - I wonder if it's proper to Spam this list in such a manor as to get users to go there. Should this be cleared up? Is there an existing policy on such an instance? To me - I don't think that is the proper thing to do. As I said, I love The Diary, but I don't think it is proper to Spam the lists in this manor. If however, The Diary does not make money on the amount of visitors it gets - then disregard this posting. Best regards, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ PGP Fingerprint = D976 2575 D0B4 E4B0 45CC AA09 0F93 FF80 C01B C363 PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common key servers ______________________________________________________________________ 01010010011000010110001101100101011100100101100000000000 #-----Original Message----- #From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org #[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Dan Langille #Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 2:10 AM #To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org #Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 # # #The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical #examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly #to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people #know what's available on the website. Before you post a question #here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list #archives #and/or The FreeBSD Diary . # # #-- #Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited #The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples #FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports #FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source # #_______________________________________________ #freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list #http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies #To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" # From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 09:45:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F64637B401; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-5-cust38.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.101.150.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AABA43F3F; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:45:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.20) id 19eHIz-000JbV-AW; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:45:01 +0100 Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 17:45:01 +0100 From: Ceri Davies To: Chris Message-ID: <20030720164501.GD60961@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Chris , Dan Langille , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20030713071001.A6DE1AE49C@nezlok.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: Dan Langille cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:45:06 -0000 --tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 11:31:25AM -0500, Chris wrote: > As great as the Diary is, and I love it too - I am wondering. Since The > Diary has ads, and if The Diary makes money with these ads, does it make = it > on how many users go to The Diary? If so - I wonder if it's proper to Spam > this list in such a manor as to get users to go there. Should this be > cleared up? Is there an existing policy on such an instance? Umm, I think the point of these postings are so that you know whether there is anything new for you to go and look at, in which case these postings may even reduce the number of visitors to the site. Personally, I don't think it's of any relevance whether the site makes any money from the number of visitors; the important thing is whether the users of this mailing list find it useful to see these emails, which I personally= do. Ceri --=20 User: DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR? Iniaes: Sure, I can accept all forms of payment. -- www.chatterboxchallenge.com --tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/GscMocfcwTS3JF8RAqrmAKCZOXJuHElp5jSbz++K1+OtXUShDgCfepP4 bO17uYp3QnkalssuO1A62nM= =H5g0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tNQTSEo8WG/FKZ8E-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 09:50:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFF637B401; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [12.15.124.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1691E43F85; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 09:50:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from RacerX@makeworld.com) Received: from makeworld (chcgil2-ar7-4-3-040-227.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net [4.3.40.227]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D5FE7; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:50:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris" To: , Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:49:48 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20030720164501.GD60961@submonkey.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:50:58 -0000 I don't question the relevance of the site - as I said, I love it, I used it, it's great! I just wonder if it could be deemed as Spam or not. The point that I'm making - is it considered Spam as defined to what Spam is. If we start to stray from the point of the post - things get clouded. As I quote a line from "Star Wars -- Stay on target, stay on target" Best regards, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ PGP Fingerprint = D976 2575 D0B4 E4B0 45CC AA09 0F93 FF80 C01B C363 PGP Mail encouraged / preferred - keys available on common key servers ______________________________________________________________________ 01010010011000010110001101100101011100100101100000000000 #-----Original Message----- #From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org #[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Ceri Davies #Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 11:45 AM #To: Chris #Cc: Dan Langille; freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; #freebsd-questions@freebsd.org #Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 # # #On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 11:31:25AM -0500, Chris wrote: #> As great as the Diary is, and I love it too - I am wondering. Since The #> Diary has ads, and if The Diary makes money with these ads, does #it make it #> on how many users go to The Diary? If so - I wonder if it's #proper to Spam #> this list in such a manor as to get users to go there. Should this be #> cleared up? Is there an existing policy on such an instance? # #Umm, I think the point of these postings are so that you know whether there #is anything new for you to go and look at, in which case these postings may #even reduce the number of visitors to the site. # #Personally, I don't think it's of any relevance whether the site makes any #money from the number of visitors; the important thing is whether the users #of this mailing list find it useful to see these emails, which I #personally do. # #Ceri #-- #User: DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR? #Iniaes: Sure, I can accept all forms of payment. # -- www.chatterboxchallenge.com # From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 20 21:15:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F7737B404 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40603.mail.yahoo.com (web40603.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE0D143FBD for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:15:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pjn0211@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030721041519.4165.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.183.248.166] by web40603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 05:15:19 BST Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 05:15:19 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Supote=20Leelasupphakorn?= To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Ask about BSD's history. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 04:15:21 -0000 Hi, all I'm now interested in BSD's history and have read some of article from INTERNET. But because English isn't my mother language so I havn't cleared in the point of 1. What is the result of lawsuit between BSDi (maybe include UC Berkeley) and USL in the early of 1970s ? 2. The article I've read talk about six files. What's the matter ? 3. and anything else you would like to tell anyone. Could anyone explain me ? (Plain English is appreciated) Thanks in advances, ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 21 10:52:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0616637B405 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23F243F85 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:52:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1636 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19eepj-0005oB-6L; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:52:23 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:52:28 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 36GPAMY6; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:51:41 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Supote Leelasupphakorn , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 10:51:33 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030721041519.4165.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030721041519.4165.qmail@web40603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307211051.33797.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19eepj-0005oB-6L*i3/zqvkgXh6* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: Ask about BSD's history. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:52:27 -0000 On Sunday 20 July 2003 09:15 pm, Supote Leelasupphakorn wrote: > 1. What is the result of lawsuit between BSDi (maybe > include UC Berkeley) and USL in the early of 1970s ? > 2. The article I've read talk about six files. > What's > the matter ? > 3. and anything else you would like to tell anyone. If my memory is correct: For a few years, BSD had been removing SysV code and replacing it with their own. The goal was a 100% free BSD. But it wasn't fast enough, and USL sued BSDI for copyright infringement. The impetus for this seems to have been a trademake violation instead, since BSDI was calling itself a "UNIX". Very shortly afterwards, UC countersued USL. It seems that AT&T had been incorporating BSD code into SysV. The lawsuits were eventually settled. Most of the terms of the settlement are still sealed by the court, but we do know some of them. There were six source code files in the BSD code base that were ordered to be removed. Without these six files, the distribution was called "BSD Lite". There were undoubtedly other instances of SysV code in BSD, but the court said that once only those six files were removed, the BSD code base would be legally "unencumbered". Another provision was that BSDs could not call themselves "UNIX". Finally, USL could continue to use BSD code, but they would have to provide appropriate attribution. FreeBSD 1.0 was still "encumbered" by SysV code, but FreeBSD 2.0 was clean and unencumbered. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 01:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9BA37B401 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1634843F75 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:01:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from afterimage@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 27373 invoked by uid 65534); 23 Jul 2003 08:01:16 -0000 Received: from 118.227.ddkom.net (HELO kaleigh) (212.80.227.118) by mail.gmx.net (mp016) with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 10:01:16 +0200 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:01:24 +0200 From: Kristian Rink To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030723100124.1bb8d180.afterimage@gmx.net> Organization: zimmer428.net X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ACPI / APM on Acer Aspire 1310XC X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:01:19 -0000 Hi all,... ...still struggling to get any sort of FreeBSD up and running on my Acer notebook, I am constantly failing. Facts: - The machine is an Acer Aspire 1310XC, running an AMD Athlon 1800 Mobile CPU. - The board chipset seems to be sort of a Via Apollo Pro266, with a Savage4 display controller and an ac97 sound chip included. * Tried to install FreeBSD 4.8, this failed even while trying to boot the installation CD-ROM - the system quickly dies saying something like uhci1: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A95337B401 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:29:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130AC43FDF for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:28:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4208 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19fNQ9-0006El-6I; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:28:57 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:28:57 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 36GPBSHH; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:28:17 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Kristian Rink , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:28:12 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20030723100124.1bb8d180.afterimage@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20030723100124.1bb8d180.afterimage@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307231028.12358.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19fNQ9-0006El-6I*xytb.yjWg4.* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: ACPI / APM on Acer Aspire 1310XC X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:29:00 -0000 On Wednesday 23 July 2003 01:01 am, Kristian Rink wrote: > Hi all,... > > > ...still struggling to get any sort of FreeBSD up and running on my > Acer notebook, I am constantly failing. Facts: It sounds like it's working fine under 5.0/5.1, if you keep ACPI turned off. Although the lack of ACPI/APM on a laptop is a major annoyance, FreeBSD is working. ACPI is a relatively new feature of FreeBSD. It still has some rough edges. My suggestion is to take this off of the -newbies list (since the charter is 'no technical questions') and concentrate on ACPI on the -questions, -mobile or -hardware lists. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 24 00:31:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2837B405 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:31:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.oisca.org (french-southern.fs.ksi.ne.jp [164.46.152.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5787543F3F for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 00:31:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from r_ikeda@oisca.org) Received: from Logistics.OISCA (f254.ac121.FreeBit.NE.JP [43.244.121.254]) (authenticated) by mail.oisca.org (8.11.6p2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h6O7VUE23863 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:31:30 +0900 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:30:01 +0900 From: "Rommel B. Ikeda" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Message-Id: <20030724163001.0a0cfcc9.r_ikeda@oisca.org> Organization: OISCA-International X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Greetings!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:31:34 -0000 I have been using my FreeBSD for almost a month now. Yes, I am a Newbie to not only FreeBSD but Unix. As what I wrote above, its been a month now and I still could not configure my IBM R40e Thinkpad to print in our LAN connected Printers, still could not add menus in my GNOME Desktop, Still could not input Japanese Characters (althought I am not fluent in Japanese, I need it because I work for an NGO based here in Japan), and I still have a lot to do that I can not yet. The main problem that I am encountering right now is how to properly configure or setup CVSup...But, I am trying very hard everyday that I can solve my these problems step-by-step... I will be looking forward to communicate with all you Newbies like me...to learn whatever I can... Thank you, Rommel B. Ikeda From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 25 19:10:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDD037B401 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635DC43FA3 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6Q2AFUp050295 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6Q2AF2d050294 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200307260210.h6Q2AF2d050294@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:10:16 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________