From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 9 00:10:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F5716A4CE; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:10:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B67AF43FE0; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AADAE090; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:10:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27592-06; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4DD5EAE081; Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031109081001.4DD5EAE081@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 00:10:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-10-19 - 2003-11-08 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 08:10:09 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 10:02:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7309C16A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:02:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.nshosts.com (mail4.nshosts.com [216.58.174.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C034443FDD for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:02:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from me@prestoncrawford.com) Received: from prestoncrawford.com (unverified [216.58.174.139]) by mail4.nshosts.comfor ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:53:25 -0700 Message-ID: <00a9219bfb664669b224adcaafd39864.me@prestoncrawford.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Preston Crawford" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:53:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:02:42 -0000 Does anyone know where or if it's possible to obtain the 4 full CDs for FreeBSD 4=2E9? I'd like to install it, but with a good deal of the ports etc=2E coming along for the ride, since I work via a modem=2E Are these available for download anywhere? Can I purchase them *now* anywhere yet= ? Preston From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 10:16:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFFD16A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:16:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729F443F75 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:16:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net ([10.116.0.122]) by scanmail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:11:20 -0700 Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122] by scanmail2.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A4C862E010C; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:11:20 -0700 Received: from agnes (24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.60.169]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:11:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:16:34 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031110121634.2e2d44c1.lute@cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <00a9219bfb664669b224adcaafd39864.me@prestoncrawford.com> References: <00a9219bfb664669b224adcaafd39864.me@prestoncrawford.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: agnes X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: lute@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.60.169] Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:16:52 -0000 Well I just checked at bsdcentral.com, and you can get the 4.9 install disk but it seems that all they have in the four disk sets is 4.8, and 5.1. You may want to contact them and see if you can get a four disk set through them. It's been some time since I have done business with them but in the past they were real good to do business with. If you have a broadband connection it might be the best way just to get the install disk, because then the rest of the system would be all up to date. -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 10:40:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE8816A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.napanet.net (daffy.napanet.net [206.81.96.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66843F85 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ccornils@napanet.net) Received: from pavilion (dialup-napanet-206-81-102-150.napanet.net [206.81.102.150]) by mail.napanet.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 994E9A1EC; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:40:31 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <001d01c3a7ba$1768b6c0$966651ce@pavilion> From: "Cal Cornils" To: "Preston Crawford" , References: <00a9219bfb664669b224adcaafd39864.me@prestoncrawford.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:40:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:40:28 -0000 Sure, I just did it. Go to freebsdmall.com. It was listed on my confirmation email as 'bsd4.9' for $39.95 + S/H. My order went in on Oct 27th, but I haven't seen the CDs yet - they're probably real busy. Cal Cornils Napa Valley College Beautiful Napa Valley, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Preston Crawford To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:53 AM Subject: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? Does anyone know where or if it's possible to obtain the 4 full CDs for FreeBSD 4.9? I'd like to install it, but with a good deal of the ports etc. coming along for the ride, since I work via a modem. Are these available for download anywhere? Can I purchase them *now* anywhere yet? Preston _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 11:51:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F6916A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:51:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.nshosts.com (mail4.nshosts.com [216.58.174.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF3F43FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:51:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from me@prestoncrawford.com) Received: from prestoncrawford.com (unverified [216.58.174.139]) by mail4.nshosts.comfor ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Preston Crawford" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:42:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:51:40 -0000 The thing is=2E=2E=2E my understanding (due to something someone else told me) was that the 4 CD set included a great deal of the source for the ports=2E This is a big draw to me as I was told I could just install all 4 CDs, then whenever a port changed I would just get the changed files via CVS, instead of the whole thing=2E This would be nice since I'm on a modem=2E Is there somewhere to download the other CDs in ISO format until I can buy them? I have access to broadband, just not at home= =2E Preston ----- Original Message ----- From: Lute Mullenix Sent: 11/10/2003 11:16:34 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd=2Eorg Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? > Well I just checked at bsdcentral=2Ecom, and you can get the 4=2E9 install disk but it seems that all they have in the four disk sets is 4=2E8, and 5=2E1=2E You may want to contact them and see if you can get a four disk set through them=2E It's been some time since I have done business with them but in the past they were real good to do business with=2E If you have a broadband connection it might be the best way just to get the install disk, because then the rest of the system would be all up to date= =2E >=20 > --=20 > Lute >=20 > ************************ > * Power Provided * > * by * > * FreeBSD 5=2E1 RELEASE * > ************************ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd=2Eorg mailing list > http://lists=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd=2Eorg" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 12:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C1E16A509 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:00:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.nshosts.com (mail4.nshosts.com [216.58.174.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5CC43FE1 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:00:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from me@prestoncrawford.com) Received: from prestoncrawford.com (unverified [216.58.174.139]) by mail4.nshosts.comfor ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:51:06 -0700 Message-ID: <4a9523dd32ef4cf3a7f31f77fe5b257d.me@prestoncrawford.com> X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Preston Crawford" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:51:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Multiple keyboards in FreeBSD 4.9? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:00:45 -0000 Does anyone know how to do this or if it's possible? All I can do is use kbdcontrol to switch from my PS/2 to USB keyboard= =2E Preston From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 12:13:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D886016A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:13:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14604.mail.yahoo.com (web14604.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BBE143FAF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:13:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plageotakes@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031110201330.79335.qmail@web14604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.164.2.85] by web14604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:13:30 PST Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: peter lageotakes To: Preston Crawford , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <00a9219bfb664669b224adcaafd39864.me@prestoncrawford.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:13:34 -0000 Here is a link off the freebsd.org 's web site (of retailers). http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/mirrors.html#MIRRORS-CDROM --- Preston Crawford wrote: > Does anyone know where or if it's possible to obtain > the 4 full CDs for FreeBSD 4.9? I'd like to install > it, but with a good deal of the ports etc. coming > along for the ride, since I work via a modem. Are > these available for download anywhere? Can I > purchase them *now* anywhere yet? > > Preston > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 12:33:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7FF16A4CE for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:33:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B562243FDF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:33:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net ([10.116.0.122]) by scanmail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.687.68); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:28:12 -0700 Received: from scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122] by scanmail2.cableone.net (SMTPD32-7.04) id A4DBE9B00E0; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:28:11 -0700 Received: from agnes (24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.60.169]) by mail.cableone.net with SMTP (MailShield v2.04 - WIN32 Jul 17 2001 17:12:42); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 13:28:11 -0700 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:33:25 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031110143325.46b2933a.lute@cableone.net> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: agnes X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: lute@cableone.net X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: 24-116-60-169.cpe.cableone.net [24.116.60.169] Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:33:28 -0000 Ah, well I use the ports for all of my installations, and actually cvsup does not update the source on you HD for the ports, it updates Makefiles etc. when you install/upgrade a port it then downloads the source and dependant files and builds them on your computer. The way that I did it was to set up the ports supfile the way I wanted it, then ran cvsup using that supfile and it built my ports directories. Now once a week I cvsup the ports and run portupgrade to keep things up to date. On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:42:18 -0700 "Preston Crawford" insisted: > The thing is... my understanding (due to something someone else told me) was that the 4 CD set included a great deal of the source for the ports. This is a big draw to me as I was told I could just install all 4 CDs, then whenever a port changed I would just get the changed files via CVS, instead of the whole thing. This would be nice since I'm on a modem. Is there somewhere to download the other CDs in ISO format until I can buy them? I have access to broadband, just not at home. > > Preston > -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 10 17:30:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3493516A4CF for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:30:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf25.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D8843F75 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:30:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) Received: from 192.168.2.100 (66-214-31-61.lb-cres.charterpipeline.net [66.214.31.61])hAB1SpaF053896 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:28:51 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) From: "Ralph F. De Witt" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:29:19 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311101729.33526.ralphdewitt@charter.net> Subject: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:30:30 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi: I have two questions before I plunge in and make my first FreeBSD install.= =20 Normally I keep a back up copy of all my data in a ReiserFS formated partio= n=20 on my hard drive. When I do a Linux Distribution install I will reformat th= e=20 non back up partions and then restore my data by copying from the backup=20 partion. Will I be able to do this with my FreeBSD install? Will FreeBSD be= =20 able to mount and read write data from this Linux Reiserfs formated partion? My second question is hardware related. Is the Logitech 4000 Pro USB Web=20 camera supported in FreeBSD? Thanks very much for your help. =2D --=20 Ralph ************************************************************** Libranet Linux: version 2.8.1 2.4.21 kernel ralphfdewitt on Yahoo and Aim, ralphdewitt on Jabber Signed and Encrypted Mail Encouraged ************************************************************** =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/sDt8u29DXA3iCF0RAmPVAJwPbiMQIbL2TtkLQ1DeJUQb+R37EACeP1jO 3Mv0/MgJwTDGcG34Dfuh4NU=3D =3DR9wY =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 02:31:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4845A16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:31:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts5.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E1443FBD for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:31:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evermore_bsd@sympatico.ca) Received: from [65.95.83.253] by tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20031111103128.OUUH21460.tomts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.95.83.253]> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:31:28 -0500 From: Evermore_BSD To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200311101729.33526.ralphdewitt@charter.net> References: <200311101729.33526.ralphdewitt@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1068546688.4716.29.camel@ymir.ragnarok.fenir> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:31:29 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:31:31 -0000 On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 20:29, Ralph F. De Witt wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi: > I have two questions before I plunge in and make my first FreeBSD install. > Normally I keep a back up copy of all my data in a ReiserFS formated partion > on my hard drive. When I do a Linux Distribution install I will reformat the > non back up partions and then restore my data by copying from the backup > partion. Will I be able to do this with my FreeBSD install? Will FreeBSD be > able to mount and read write data from this Linux Reiserfs formated partion? > My second question is hardware related. Is the Logitech 4000 Pro USB Web > camera supported in FreeBSD? Thanks very much for your help. > - -- > Ralph 1. You will need to format the backup partition as Ext2, FreeBSD cannot mount a ReiserFS partition. However it handles Ext2 (read and write) just fine. In case you are wondering Ext3 should also work since it's just Ext2 with a journal attached, but stick with Ext2 because you never know. 2. Sorry, can't help you with this one. Try the HCL on the FreeBSD website, under "Hardware Notes" for whichever release you plan on installing. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 09:14:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A13B16A4CF for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:14:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f74.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978DB43FD7 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:14:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:14:38 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:14:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:14:38 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2003 17:14:38.0333 (UTC) FILETIME=[4972A2D0:01C3A877] cc: me@prestoncrawford.com Subject: Re: Multiple keyboards in FreeBSD 4.9? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:14:39 -0000 On Nov. 11, 2003 "Preston Crawford" wrote: >Does anyone know how to do this or if it's possible? All I can do is use >kbdcontrol to switch from my PS/2 to USB keyboard. > >Preston Hi Preston, It would seem no one here knows the answer to this question. You'll probably get better results from freebsd-questions@freebsd.org , which is the official list for technical support. (I know you've gotten some help from this list, as you would with most lists (like -ports, etc.). But, almost always, -questions is the place to start for technical advice.) Regards, Clayton Rollins _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 11:37:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA79416A4D1 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:37:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.nshosts.com (mail4.nshosts.com [216.58.174.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD61D43FBD for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:37:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from me@prestoncrawford.com) Received: from prestoncrawford.com (unverified [216.58.174.139]) by mail4.nshosts.comfor ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:27:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-EM-APIVersion: 2, 0, 0, 8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) From: "Preston Crawford" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:27:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Re: Multiple keyboards in FreeBSD 4.9? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:37:05 -0000 Thanks=2E ----- Original Message ----- From: clayton rollins Sent: 11/11/2003 10:14:38 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd=2Eorg Cc: me@prestoncrawford=2Ecom Subject: Re: Multiple keyboards in FreeBSD 4=2E9? > On Nov=2E 11, 2003 "Preston Crawford" wrote: >=20 > >Does anyone know how to do this or if it's possible? All I can do is use=20 > >kbdcontrol to switch from my PS/2 to USB keyboard=2E > > > >Preston >=20 > Hi Preston, >=20 > It would seem no one here knows the answer to this question=2E >=20 > You'll probably get better results from > freebsd-questions@freebsd=2Eorg , which is the official list for > technical support=2E >=20 > (I know you've gotten some help from this list, as you would > with most lists (like -ports, etc=2E)=2E But, almost always, > -questions is the place to start for technical advice=2E) >=20 > Regards, > Clayton Rollins >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26=2E95=2E =20 > https://broadband=2Emsn=2Ecom (Prices may vary by service area=2E) >=20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 12:45:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C340216A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:45:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E826043FE0 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:45:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) Received: from 192.168.2.100 (66-214-31-61.lb-cres.charterpipeline.net [66.214.31.61])hABKdFL1050816; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:39:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) From: "Ralph F. De Witt" To: Evermore_BSD Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 04:40:06 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ralphdewitt@charter.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:45:30 -0000 On Tuesday 11 November 2003 02:31 am, Evermore_BSD wrote: > > Hi: > > I have two questions before I plunge in and make my first FreeBSD > > install. Normally I keep a back up copy of all my data in a ReiserFS > > formated partion on my hard drive. When I do a Linux Distribution install > > I will reformat the non back up partions and then restore my data by > > copying from the backup partion. Will I be able to do this with my > > FreeBSD install? Will FreeBSD be able to mount and read write data from > > this Linux Reiserfs formated partion? My second question is hardware > > related. Is the Logitech 4000 Pro USB Web camera supported in FreeBSD? > > Thanks very much for your help. > > - -- > > Ralph > > 1. You will need to format the backup partition as Ext2, FreeBSD cannot > mount a ReiserFS partition. However it handles Ext2 (read and write) > just fine. In case you are wondering Ext3 should also work since it's > just Ext2 with a journal attached, but stick with Ext2 because you never > know. Evermore_BSD: Thankyou for your response. After I sent the email, I went out and bought a copy of Teach yourself FreeBSD in 24 hours. Reading that I got the impression that it had to be a EXT2 partition. So I moved the data around to reformat the partition to EXT2, I killed my system, but managed to save the data in a EXT2 partiton. So I jumped in to the install and have run up into my knowledge barrier and lack there off. I am wondering if you could help with my two most pressing problems. Now that I have FreeBSD installed, How do I find out what the EXT2 partition is called so that I can get it mounted and get the data restored so that I can stop drowning in my email? My other problem is with the networking. When I try to run cvsup I get the following error: unkitty# cvsup /usr/local/etc/ports-supfile Cannot get IP address of my own host -- is its hostname correct? When I configured the network. I configured for DHCP and then filled in the machine name unkitty as host and filled in a fictitous ralphfdewitt.org as domain. The machine connects to the internet through a cable/dsl router and then through a cable modem to the internet. Mail and Browsing works so I am at a lost as to what may be wrong. Thanks for your past help. I hope that you can get me sorted out so that I can get some breathing room to be able to read and sort the other little problems out. Ralph From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 13:48:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C6116A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F61643F3F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:48:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:51:16 -0600 Message-ID: <3FB15922.7050408@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:48:18 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ralphdewitt@charter.net References: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2003 21:51:16.0937 (UTC) FILETIME=[EEFC9B90:01C3A89D] cc: Evermore_BSD cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:48:30 -0000 Ralph F. De Witt wrote: >unkitty# cvsup /usr/local/etc/ports-supfile >Cannot get IP address of my own host -- is its hostname correct? > >When I configured the network. I configured for DHCP and then filled in the >machine name unkitty as host and filled in a fictitous ralphfdewitt.org as This can cause problems with a few things if FBSD is unable to resolve a name. Good news: you can fake it out. Put this in /etc/hosts: the.ip.of.unkitty unkitty.ralphfdewitt.org unkitty And make sure that /etc/resolv.conf is configured to check the hosts file prior to checking the name service.... HTH, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 15:32:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A7716A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:32:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf22.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.222]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CFAB43FD7 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) Received: from 192.168.2.100 (66-214-31-61.lb-cres.charterpipeline.net [66.214.31.61])hABNQetK056320; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:26:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) From: "Ralph F. De Witt" To: Lute Mullenix Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:26:49 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> <20031111153555.04466bce.lute@cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <20031111153555.04466bce.lute@cableone.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311110326.49934.ralphdewitt@charter.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ralphdewitt@charter.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:32:49 -0000 On Tuesday 11 November 2003 01:35 pm, you wrote: > Hi Ralph, > > Sorry can't help you with the partition question, but will try a shot at > the cvsup one. First off I assume that you have edited the supfile and are > running it as root. Try > > cvsup -g /usr/local/etc/ports-supfile > > This will run it in non-graphic mode. I have not been able to get it to > work in graphic mode and have been using it successfully for a couple of > years now. > > Hope this was of some help. Lute: Thanks for your help that has solved this one problem. Thank you very much -- Ralph From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 15:37:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456B116A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:37:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf10.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E1EE43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:37:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) Received: from 192.168.2.100 (66-214-31-61.lb-cres.charterpipeline.net [66.214.31.61])hABNWvL1092668; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:32:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ralphdewitt@charter.net) From: "Ralph F. De Witt" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 03:33:07 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> <3FB15922.7050408@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <3FB15922.7050408@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311110333.07661.ralphdewitt@charter.net> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: ralphdewitt@charter.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:37:35 -0000 On Tuesday 11 November 2003 01:48 pm, you wrote: > Ralph F. De Witt wrote: > > > >unkitty# cvsup /usr/local/etc/ports-supfile > >Cannot get IP address of my own host -- is its hostname correct? > > > >When I configured the network. I configured for DHCP and then filled > in the > >machine name unkitty as host and filled in a fictitous ralphfdewitt.org > as > > This can cause problems with a few things if > FBSD is unable to resolve a name. Good news: > you can fake it out. > > Put this in /etc/hosts: > > the.ip.of.unkitty unkitty.ralphfdewitt.org > unkitty > > And make sure that /etc/resolv.conf is configured > to check the hosts file prior to checking the name > service.... > > > HTH, > > Kevin Kinsey > DaleCo, S.P. Kevin: Thank you for your response to my cvsup problem. Lute has also given me a response that has worked for me. If you do not mind I am going to put your solution on hold for a short time while I try to get the Linux EXT2 data partition mount. Right now the mounting of that partition is really needed. However I will comeback to your solution. I think that there may be something not correct with the networking. It is working but seems to be having a harder time than with other Linux distributions. Thanks for your help with this matter. -- Ralph From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 17:12:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A55816A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost2.mistral.co.uk (mailhost2.mistral.co.uk [217.154.131.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5E243FAF for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:12:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from orviss@mistral.co.uk) Received: from dimension (host217-44-159-98.range217-44.btcentralplus.com [217.44.159.98]) by mailhost2.mistral.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1242630AA4 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:12:47 +0000 (GMT) From: "Kevin Orviss" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:12:39 -0000 Message-ID: <00cb01c3a8ba$13d58690$6700a8c0@dimension> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: 5.1 Kernel panic on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: orviss@mistral.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:12:50 -0000 Hi Guys, I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1 from CD on a Toshiba Tecra 8200 = Laptop. No matter what mode I start the install in, it results in a kernel = panic. The laptop has an in built Intel NIC and an inbuilt Wireless NIC as = well. As you can see from the output below it always happens after the Wi-Fi NIC = has been detected. I think it has something to do with the way the interupts = are being re-routed, but I do not know how to get around it as this is my = first 'adventure' with FreeBSD. Here is the last output I can see on screen before the kernal panic: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Wi0: Lucent Firmware: Station (6.14.1) Wi0: supported rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5 Mbps 11Mbps Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address =3D 0xdbbd8000 fault code =3D supervisor read, page not present Instruction pointer =3D 0x8 : 0xc025fe25 Stack pointer =3D 0x10 : 0xd6959964 Frame pointer =3D 0x10 : 0xd6959b7c Code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 Processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 Current process =3D 25 (cbb1) Trap number =3D 12 Panic: page fault =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I have looked through the FreeBSD handbook, but I just do not have = enough experience with FreeBSD to make sense of it. Can anyone give any help? Thanks Kevin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 17:13:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8CE16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:13:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp101.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp101.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [216.136.174.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B14243F75 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:13:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kjorviss@yahoo.co.uk) Received: from host217-44-159-98.range217-44.btcentralplus.com (HELO dimension) (kjorviss@217.44.159.98 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 01:13:40 -0000 From: "Kevin Orviss" To: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:13:25 -0000 Message-ID: <00cc01c3a8ba$3354e150$6700a8c0@dimension> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: 5.1 Kernel panic on install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:13:41 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Orviss [mailto:orviss@mistral.co.uk]=20 Sent: 12 November 2003 01:13 To: 'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org' Subject: 5.1 Kernel panic on install Hi Guys, I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1 from CD on a Toshiba Tecra 8200 = Laptop. No matter what mode I start the install in, it results in a kernel = panic. The laptop has an in built Intel NIC and an inbuilt Wireless NIC as = well. As you can see from the output below it always happens after the Wi-Fi NIC = has been detected. I think it has something to do with the way the interupts = are being re-routed, but I do not know how to get around it as this is my = first 'adventure' with FreeBSD. Here is the last output I can see on screen before the kernal panic: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Wi0: Lucent Firmware: Station (6.14.1) Wi0: supported rates: 1Mbps 2Mbps 5.5 Mbps 11Mbps Fatal trap 12: page fault while in kernel mode fault virtual address =3D 0xdbbd8000 fault code =3D supervisor read, page not present Instruction pointer =3D 0x8 : 0xc025fe25 Stack pointer =3D 0x10 : 0xd6959964 Frame pointer =3D 0x10 : 0xd6959b7c Code segment =3D base 0x0, limit 0xfffff, type 0x1b =3D DPL 0, pres 1, def32 1, gran 1 Processor eflags =3D interrupt enabled, resume, IOPL =3D 0 Current process =3D 25 (cbb1) Trap number =3D 12 Panic: page fault =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I have looked through the FreeBSD handbook, but I just do not have = enough experience with FreeBSD to make sense of it. Can anyone give any help? Thanks Kevin From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 17:15:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C55E16A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:15:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf11.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1D6143FE1 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:15:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: from mbueide ([68.114.178.229])hAC1DEAL086048 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:13:14 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: by mbueide (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:06:57 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:06:57 -0700 From: mike bueide To: FreeBSD-Newbies Message-ID: <20031112010657.GA958@charter.net> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-Newbies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: ports and sources X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:15:12 -0000 I've been upgrading my sources and ports collection via cvsup for a while now. I have a simple question. Are the ports tied in anyway to the system sources? Or are they completely independent of one another? For example, I cvsuped the sources and the ports tree. Then I use portupgrade after updating the package database to upgrade a port before I "make world" or update my kernel. Would this confuse the process of rebuilding a port? The reason I'm asking is because I've upgraded my sources from the 4.8_RELEASE to 4.9_RELEASE. After reading some comments about it 4.9 on the questions list, I've become hesitant to actually compile it. -- mbueide (at) charter (dot) net . From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 17:53:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA6316A4D1 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:53:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF34F43FE5 for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:53:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from evermore_bsd@sympatico.ca) Received: from [65.95.83.253] by tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.netESMTP <20031112015330.DEYI22704.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@[65.95.83.253]> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:53:30 -0500 From: Evermore_BSD To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> References: <200311110440.06926.ralphdewitt@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1068601997.6082.238.camel@ymir.ragnarok.fenir> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:53:19 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD Preinstall Questions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:53:34 -0000 On Tue, 2003-11-11 at 07:40, Ralph F. De Witt wrote: > Evermore_BSD: > Thankyou for your response. After I sent the email, I went out and bought a > copy of Teach yourself FreeBSD in 24 hours. Reading that I got the impression > that it had to be a EXT2 partition. So I moved the data around to reformat > the partition to EXT2, I killed my system, but managed to save the data in a > EXT2 partiton. So I jumped in to the install and have run up into my > knowledge barrier and lack there off. I am wondering if you could help with > my two most pressing problems. > Now that I have FreeBSD installed, How do I find out what the EXT2 partition > is called so that I can get it mounted and get the data restored so that I > can stop drowning in my email? > My other problem is with the networking. When I try to run cvsup I get the > following error: > unkitty# cvsup /usr/local/etc/ports-supfile > Cannot get IP address of my own host -- is its hostname correct? > When I configured the network. I configured for DHCP and then filled in the > machine name unkitty as host and filled in a fictitous ralphfdewitt.org as > domain. The machine connects to the internet through a cable/dsl router and > then through a cable modem to the internet. Mail and Browsing works so I am > at a lost as to what may be wrong. > Thanks for your past help. I hope that you can get me sorted out so that I can > get some breathing room to be able to read and sort the other little problems > out. > > Ralph This is from the handbook: Table 3-1. Disk Device Codes Code Meaning ad ATAPI (IDE) disk da SCSI direct access disk acd ATAPI (IDE) CDROM cd SCSI CDROM fd Floppy disk Example 3-1. Sample Disk, Slice, and Partition Names Name Meaning ad0s1a The first partition (a) on the first slice (s1) on the first IDE disk (ad0). da1s2e The fifth partition (e) on the second slice (s2) on the second SCSI disk (da1). Now: The easiest way is to simply look in /dev and as long as you know how your hard disk is divided you won't have a problem. But being a newbie you might not be all that familiar with FreeBSD naming conventions. As you probably know by now FreeBSD has a different naming convention for partitions referring to them as slices. A Linux formatted partition shows up as a slice, FreeBSD slices are further divided up into partitions with letter designations for each partition (ad0s1a to h). To avoid confusion I will refer to the Linux partition as a slice from now on you should start thinking of it that way also. Assuming you have just one IDE hard drive (ad0: the first hard disk is always 0 not 1) then if your Linux slice is a physical (primary) slice it would be ad0s(1,2,3 or 4). If it is a logical slice then ad0s(5 and up), it won't however have any partition letters. Look under /dev (ls -l /dev/ad0s*) for an ad0s(x) slice number that isn't currently in fstab. Unless you have a bunch of non BSD slices for other operating systems like windows there will only be one and that's your Linux slice. Mounting the slice is another story. Out of the box FreeBSD cannot mount an Ext2 formatted slice so you need to recompile the kernel with Ext2 support. This can be compiled into the kernel or as a module. As I prefer the module, I will show you that way. Simply add WANT_EXT2FS_MODULE=yes to the /etc/make.conf file (see /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf for an example of this and other options) then compile and install your kernel and reboot. Load the module with "kldload ext2fs" (see the handbook to learn how to do this at automatically at startup), naturally create a mount point for the Linux slice (eg. /mnt/linux) then use the command mount_ext2fs eg. "mount_ext2fs /dev/ad0s(x) /mnt/linux", don't waste time adding the slice to fstab just use that command. Use umount as normal to unmount the slice "umount /mnt/linux". One more thing, as is often said FreeBSD is very well documented, not just the handbook but the man pages as well. I went through exactly what you are going through right now, trying to mount a ext2 slice, just about 3 months ago and the handbook and man pages help solved all my problems. When in doubt about a command or some other thing remember "man is your friend". The bsdforums.org (http://forums.bsdforums.org) is also a very good place to go for help, using their search feature often turns answers to common, and not so common questions much quicker than posting a question to this list, or their forums and waiting for someone to respond. However, feel free to ask further questions if you still have problems. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 11 18:21:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28D216A4CE for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:21:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta6.adelphia.net (mta6.adelphia.net [68.168.78.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0A643FDD for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:21:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rlurman@adelphia.net) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([68.65.116.100]) by mta6.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.05 201-253-122-130-105-20030824) with ESMTP id <20031112022150.JDWC1433.mta6.adelphia.net@[192.168.1.10]> for ; Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:21:50 -0500 From: Rafi Lurman To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1068603695.1584.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:21:35 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Installing Mozilla plugins (Gnome) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: rlurman@adelphia.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:21:50 -0000 It seems I have installed both RealPlayer and Java correctly for mozilla in FBSD 4.9, but when I go to Help->About Plugins in Mozilla it shows no plugins. This is what I did... In /usr/X11R6/lib/mozilla-gtk2/plugins, # ln -s /usr/home/rafi/j2re1.4.2_02/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so And that is supposed to have worked but doesn't. And for RealPlayer 8 I copied rpnp.so to the plugin directory but that too doesn't show up. Could this not be the correct directory for mozilla? It's the only place I found a plugins directory for mozilla. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 05:26:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71FF16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:26:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A630643FAF for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 05:26:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sssssrichter@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 3114 invoked by uid 65534); 12 Nov 2003 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from lpzg-d9326863.pool.mediaWays.net (HELO xs4all) (217.50.104.99) by mail.gmx.net (mp023) with SMTP; 12 Nov 2003 14:26:49 +0100 X-Authenticated: #6026383 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:28:36 +0100 From: Sven Richter To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031112142836.78705b10.sssssrichter@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: acpi problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:26:51 -0000 Hi there, When i try to enable acpi with acpiconf i get the following error: acpiconf -e acpiconf: /dev/acpi: No such file or directory I am using Freebsd 5.1. Any Ideas? Greets Sven Richter From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 07:20:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1DB16A4E0 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay1-f32.bay1.hotmail.com [65.54.245.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6EA943FCB for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:20:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oxleyk@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 07:15:35 -0800 Received: from 68.164.161.103 by by1fd.bay1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:15:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.164.161.103] X-Originating-Email: [oxleyk@hotmail.com] From: "Kent Oxley" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:15:34 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Nov 2003 15:15:35.0101 (UTC) FILETIME=[D229AED0:01C3A92F] Subject: Boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 15:20:08 -0000 Hello all, Over the past two months I have been tinkering with various flavors of Linux and last week I decided to try FreeBSD. [Yes, I know it isn't Linux] I installed FreeBSD last night for the second time on a Dell Dimension but when I restarted, the computer goes into a continual boot-loop and won't go past the "F1 Default" message before it restarts. This problem occurred the first time I installed it also. While I have years of MS-DOS, Mac, and Windows experience, I'm new to Unix/Linux and don't know where to start troubleshooting this issue. Thanks for your help. Kent _________________________________________________________________ Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 10:21:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888A16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB93043FDF for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2475 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AJzbr-0002c7-6G; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:20:55 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:16:27 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-145.acuson.com ([157.226.46.145]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNNCM90; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:15:34 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Kent Oxley , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:19:14 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311121019.14573.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AJzbr-0002c7-6G*xf2zQ.tz5ns* Subject: Re: Boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:21:08 -0000 On Wednesday 12 November 2003 07:15 am, Kent Oxley wrote: > I installed FreeBSD last night for the second time on a Dell > Dimension but when I restarted, the computer goes into a continual > boot-loop and won't go past the "F1 Default" message before it > restarts. This problem occurred the first time I installed it also. This is definitely a question that belongs on the freebsd-questions list. Also forward to them any messages you might be getting, if there are any. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 10:26:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439DA16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:26:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5186343FD7 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:26:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ron@bouncebk.com) Received: from user-119ajn2.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.78.226] helo=bouncebk.com) by blount.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AJzhS-0006Ka-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:26:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3FB27B5F.10105@bouncebk.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:26:39 -0600 From: RonMcCy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 18:26:44 -0000 Kent Oxley wrote: > Hello all, > > Over the past two months I have been tinkering with various flavors of > Linux and last week I decided to try FreeBSD. [Yes, I know it isn't > Linux] > > I installed FreeBSD last night for the second time on a Dell Dimension > but when I restarted, the computer goes into a continual boot-loop and > won't go past the "F1 Default" message before it restarts. This > problem occurred the first time I installed it also. > > While I have years of MS-DOS, Mac, and Windows experience, I'm new to > Unix/Linux and don't know where to start troubleshooting this issue. > > Thanks for your help. > > Kent > > _________________________________________________________________ > Compare high-speed Internet plans, starting at $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I'm new to FreeBSD as well but have installed it on 4 computers here at work using 4.4 and 4.8. What version are you using? Is it sharring the hard drive with another OS? The installer asks you to specify what type of boot loader you'd like......which did you choose? I sort of remember what you are describing on one of my installs but can't remember how I got around it....just tried again and it worked. The FreeBSD installer is very friendly for being text based and all. Good Luck, Ron McCurry BounceBack, Inc. 1-800-830-5255 ext 4806 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 11:46:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9C716A4CF for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:46:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf06.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A61F43F93 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:46:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: from mbueide ([68.114.178.229])hACJiep6045539 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:44:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: by mbueide (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:38:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:38:14 -0700 From: mike bueide To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031112193814.GA14546@charter.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <3FB27B5F.10105@bouncebk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3FB27B5F.10105@bouncebk.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:46:27 -0000 On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 12:26:39PM -0600, RonMcCy wrote: > Kent Oxley wrote: > > >Hello all, > > > >Over the past two months I have been tinkering with various flavors of > >Linux and last week I decided to try FreeBSD. [Yes, I know it isn't > >Linux] > > > >I installed FreeBSD last night for the second time on a Dell Dimension > >but when I restarted, the computer goes into a continual boot-loop and > >won't go past the "F1 Default" message before it restarts. This > >problem occurred the first time I installed it also. > > > >While I have years of MS-DOS, Mac, and Windows experience, I'm new to > >Unix/Linux and don't know where to start troubleshooting this issue. > > > >Thanks for your help. > > > >Kent > > I'm new to FreeBSD as well but have installed it on 4 computers here at > work using 4.4 and 4.8. What version are you using? Is it sharring the > hard drive with another OS? The installer asks you to specify what type > of boot loader you'd like......which did you choose? I sort of remember > what you are describing on one of my installs but can't remember how I > got around it....just tried again and it worked. The FreeBSD installer > is very friendly for being text based and all. > I think I had this problem when I first started also. Make sure that freebsd gets installed in the ad0s2 slice (if using ide.) It will not boot otherwise. At least it didn't for me. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 13:02:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9F9B16A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A4143F85 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2944 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AK28U-0002ff-45; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:02:46 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:58:18 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-145.acuson.com ([157.226.46.145]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNNCP0L; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:57:23 -0800 From: Johnson David To: mike bueide , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:01:03 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <3FB27B5F.10105@bouncebk.com> <20031112193814.GA14546@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <20031112193814.GA14546@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200311121301.03620.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AK28U-0002ff-45*byul9WjJ.b6* Subject: Re: Boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:02:56 -0000 On Wednesday 12 November 2003 11:38 am, mike bueide wrote: > I think I had this problem when I first started > also. Make sure that freebsd gets installed in > the ad0s2 slice (if using ide.) It will not boot > otherwise. At least it didn't for me. A good example of why technical questions should be sent to freebsd-questions, instead of to newbies. Don't spread rumours that FreeBSD must be installed to the second primary partition of the first harddrive. This is not true. Right now I'm writing this from a FreeBSD booting from /dev/ad1s1 (first partition of second IDE drive). At home my FreeBSD boots from /dev/ ad4s1 (first partition of first SATA drive). I have a -CURRENT system on the same machine at /dev/ad4s3 (third partition of first SATA drive). My older system booted from /dev/ad1s1 and /dev/ad0s4. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 12 19:32:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A161216A4CE for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:32:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B603E43FDD for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:32:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: from mbueide ([68.114.178.229])hAD3T3DP095780 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:29:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mbueide@charter.net) Received: by mbueide (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:22:41 -0700 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:22:41 -0700 From: mike bueide To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031113032241.GA15478@charter.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <3FB27B5F.10105@bouncebk.com> <20031112193814.GA14546@charter.net> <200311121301.03620.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200311121301.03620.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 03:32:42 -0000 On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:01:03PM -0800, Johnson David wrote: > > A good example of why technical questions should be sent to > freebsd-questions, instead of to newbies. Don't spread rumours that > FreeBSD must be installed to the second primary partition of the first > harddrive. This is not true. Oops! Sorry, I made the fatal flaw of not reading the charter first. I just got mutt installed and ssmtp working and was itching to answer the first question I thought I might have an answer too. I was just trying to be helpful. In the future, I promise not to answer any technical questions here (or ask them.) -- mbueide (at) charter (dot) net . From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 05:50:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE8C16A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:50:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4226743FE1 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 05:50:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stormjumper@myrealbox.com) Received: from sj2 stormjumper@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [210.24.202.98] $ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:50:25 -0700 Message-ID: <005501c3a9ec$dd5d6f90$6305a8c0@hockjim.homeip.net> From: "stormjumper" To: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:48:28 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:50:23 -0000 hi, i'm slightly confused by the use of the terms RELEASE and STABLE. specifically, i refer to section/chapter 2 at the FreeBSD Early Adopter's Guide at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/early-adopter.html where it states that "At the moment, only one STABLE branch is under active development; this branch is referred to as ``4-STABLE'', and all of the FreeBSD 4.X releases were based on it." yet 4.9 is the production release, and is referred to as a release at http://www.freebsd.org can anyone explain the two terms in a less confusing way? also, is 4.9 the stable release or not? thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 06:01:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B8F16A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from wfmn001.double-l.nl (a213-84-11-61.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.11.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 069FB43FDD for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:01:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Johan@double-l.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost.double-l.nl [127.0.0.1]) by wfmn001.double-l.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4EF102 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:55:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from wfmn001.double-l.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (wfmn001.double-l.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20942-08 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:55:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from doublel01.double-l.lokaal (unknown [192.168.50.200]) by wfmn001.double-l.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337A5E6 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:55:39 +0100 (CET) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:57:29 +0100 Message-ID: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE Thread-Index: AcOp7NlJHWyNDbasTWOcsFiiTUsxAgAASeXw From: "Johan Hendriks" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at double-l.nl Subject: RE: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:01:38 -0000 Do search on www.bsdforums.org=20 This is discussed there many times=20 Well I did a search there for you (I am in a good mood) this gets asked a lot... CURRENT - is the most up to date cutting edge version. It should only be used by those working on BSD or those just interesed in playing around. It should never be used for any type of production environment. STABLE - is where they make releases from. It runs and complies correctly, most of the time. It's usually "stable" enough to run on home machines and to do testing but once again it shouldn't be used for production envirionments though. RELEASE - is a snapshot in time of stable. Right before a new version comes out they freeze the stable code, do cleanup, fix emergency bugs, then build the ISO images. This is the version you want for production envirionments. once you install from a RELEASE you can then buildworld of any updated verison you want from the sourcecode. You use a program called cvsup that downloads the code. you can tell cvsup what version to go get. There's a whole chapter in the handbook on this so read up. Personally i stay away from the stable/current lines. Basically once I install a release every once in a while i do updates only of the current release line. For example right now I'm running the code version called RELENG_4_8_0_RELEASE which is the 4.8 release, the same as the ISOs you can download.=20 Just today infact I updated the code to RELENG_4_8 which is still part of the 4.8 line but includes only security updates, critical fixes, etc. I'll spend all day rebuilding the world, compiling a custom kernel, and installing this newest version. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: stormjumper [mailto:stormjumper@myrealbox.com]=20 Verzonden: donderdag 13 november 2003 14:48 Aan: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Onderwerp: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE hi, i'm slightly confused by the use of the terms RELEASE and STABLE. specifically, i refer to section/chapter 2 at the FreeBSD Early Adopter's Guide at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/early-adopter.html where it states that "At the moment, only one STABLE branch is under active development; this branch is referred to as ``4-STABLE'', and all of the FreeBSD 4.X releases were based on it." yet 4.9 is the production release, and is referred to as a release at http://www.freebsd.org can anyone explain the two terms in a less confusing way? also, is 4.9 the stable release or not? thanks _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 06:30:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4AA416A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:30:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net (mxsf02.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAB343FE1 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:30:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pb1170@charter.net) Received: from 10.133.164.222 (c66.190.98.214.ts46v-01.rckwll.tx.charter.com [66.190.98.214])hADERNSQ089754 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:27:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from pb1170@charter.net) From: Patrick Burnett To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Message-Id: <1068733520.14299.13.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 13 Nov 2003 08:25:20 -0600 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Trouble compiling XFree86 under 4.9R X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:30:20 -0000 Here's the scenario: I installed 4.9R via FTP with the Developer option from the setup menu...the one that is supposed to have all sources, binaries, et al., and presumably all libs and tools needed for compiling code. (Someone clue me in here...I'm new at this so maybe I'm off base.) I got the new clean system up to the shell and CVSup'd for SRC-ALL and PORTS-ALL. >From there I ran 'make all install clean distclean' under XFree86-4 to compile X. The first time I had only CVSup'd for PORTS-ALL and it looked to the Internet to download the source. It errored out with a slew of messages such as these: /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:273: warning: '_POSIX_C_SOURCE' is not defined /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:279: warning: '_POSIX_C_SOURCE' is not defined Then it listed an internal compiler error, did a core dump and exited from its task. I thought the source it was looking up on the Internet might be either incomplete or incorrect so I then CVSup'd for SRC-ALL and tried again. It started out fine finding the source locally...looked peachy and then the same thing happened as listed above. Same identical messages. What went wrong? Help me Obi Wan, Pat Burnett From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 08:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F3616A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B684743FDF for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:52:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stormjumper@myrealbox.com) Received: from sj2 stormjumper@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [210.24.202.98] $ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:52:04 -0700 Message-ID: <024501c3aa06$4025ca50$6305a8c0@hockjim.homeip.net> From: "stormjumper" To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:50:15 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:52:04 -0000 hmm, thanks Johan somebody, anybody, correct me if i'm wrong pls. does this imply that RELEASE is more stable than STABLE? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Hendriks" To: Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 21:57 Subject: RE: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE Do search on www.bsdforums.org This is discussed there many times Well I did a search there for you (I am in a good mood) this gets asked a lot... CURRENT - is the most up to date cutting edge version. It should only be used by those working on BSD or those just interesed in playing around. It should never be used for any type of production environment. STABLE - is where they make releases from. It runs and complies correctly, most of the time. It's usually "stable" enough to run on home machines and to do testing but once again it shouldn't be used for production envirionments though. RELEASE - is a snapshot in time of stable. Right before a new version comes out they freeze the stable code, do cleanup, fix emergency bugs, then build the ISO images. This is the version you want for production envirionments. once you install from a RELEASE you can then buildworld of any updated verison you want from the sourcecode. You use a program called cvsup that downloads the code. you can tell cvsup what version to go get. There's a whole chapter in the handbook on this so read up. Personally i stay away from the stable/current lines. Basically once I install a release every once in a while i do updates only of the current release line. For example right now I'm running the code version called RELENG_4_8_0_RELEASE which is the 4.8 release, the same as the ISOs you can download. Just today infact I updated the code to RELENG_4_8 which is still part of the 4.8 line but includes only security updates, critical fixes, etc. I'll spend all day rebuilding the world, compiling a custom kernel, and installing this newest version. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: stormjumper [mailto:stormjumper@myrealbox.com] Verzonden: donderdag 13 november 2003 14:48 Aan: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Onderwerp: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE hi, i'm slightly confused by the use of the terms RELEASE and STABLE. specifically, i refer to section/chapter 2 at the FreeBSD Early Adopter's Guide at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.1R/early-adopter.html where it states that "At the moment, only one STABLE branch is under active development; this branch is referred to as ``4-STABLE'', and all of the FreeBSD 4.X releases were based on it." yet 4.9 is the production release, and is referred to as a release at http://www.freebsd.org can anyone explain the two terms in a less confusing way? also, is 4.9 the stable release or not? thanks _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 09:30:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DF816A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:30:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E07C43F93 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:33:01 -0600 Message-ID: <3FB3BF91.2070104@daleco.biz> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:29:53 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stormjumper References: <024501c3aa06$4025ca50$6305a8c0@hockjim.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <024501c3aa06$4025ca50$6305a8c0@hockjim.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2003 17:33:01.0968 (UTC) FILETIME=[30177900:01C3AA0C] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 17:30:15 -0000 stormjumper wrote: >hmm, > >thanks Johan > >somebody, anybody, correct me if i'm wrong pls. > >does this imply that RELEASE is more stable than STABLE? > >thanks > > More or less, yes. -STABLE is stable, but changes to the code are put in from time to time to make progress toward the *next* RELEASE. In the event someone manages to accidentally mangle a line of code, it might not get noticed until you sync your source and buildworld, etc. Then you get some message "syntax error in foofile on line xxx" and 'stop in /usr/src' ... not too much fun. Even worse, it might build but not run correctly. FWIW, this has never happened to me, and I've been using -STABLE on production servers for over a year. -RELEASE code is -STABLE that is frozen, double and triple checked and allowed to 'simmer' for a few weeks to see if any such problems appear, basically. The guys work pretty hard to make sure that it's gonna be acceptable to stamp "RELEASE" on it and not ruin the OS's image as a strong, stable, modern and powerful OS. HTH, From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 13 18:37:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3655F16A4CE for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:37:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f116.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B82F43FBD for ; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:37:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:37:45 -0800 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:37:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:37:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2003 02:37:45.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[48C57550:01C3AA58] cc: pb1170@charter.net Subject: Re: Trouble compiling XFree86 under 4.9R X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 02:37:46 -0000 On Nov., 13, 2003 Patrick Burnett wrote: >Here's the scenario: > >I installed 4.9R via FTP with the Developer option from the setup >menu...the one that is supposed to have all sources, binaries, et al., >and presumably all libs and tools needed for compiling code. (Someone >clue me in here...I'm new at this so maybe I'm off base.) I got the new >clean system up to the shell and CVSup'd for SRC-ALL and PORTS-ALL. From >there I ran 'make all install clean distclean' under XFree86-4 to >compile X. The first time I had only CVSup'd for PORTS-ALL and it >looked to the Internet to download the source. It errored out with a >slew of messages such as these: > >/usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:273: warning: '_POSIX_C_SOURCE' is not defined >/usr/include/sys/cdefs.h:279: warning: '_POSIX_C_SOURCE' is not defined > >Then it listed an internal compiler error, did a core dump and exited >from its task. I thought the source it was looking up on the Internet >might be either incomplete or incorrect so I then CVSup'd for SRC-ALL >and tried again. It started out fine finding the source >locally...looked peachy and then the same thing happened as listed >above. Same identical messages. What went wrong? > >Help me Obi Wan, >Pat Burnett > First off, technical questions should be sent to freebsd-questions, not -newbies. There's many reasons for this; the best one is that you deserve the best assistance the community can offer. Another good reason is that newbies can, very easily, be wrong about things, and it's not always caught on this list. (With that in mind, read what follows with a grain of salt.) However, I might be able to offer you a bit of advice to make your question to the list better. First to clear up cvsup (it seemed like you wanted clarification of this). When you cvsup the sources, that gets the operating system source code; cvsup'ing ports updates the ports tree structure (Makefiles, etc.). When you go to build an application from ports, it will probably need to fetch the sources from an ftp server. (You were probably using the same source code both times, hence the identical failure.) About the error during building X: I have also seen the precompiler error you wrote about, but have always had X components build and run fine. That's not to say the problem isn't indicated by those errors, just that I don't experience it here. You'll probably want to include the complier error and any other information you can get in your message to -questions. (On a whim, I want to recommend that you use /stand/sysinstall to get the base system fully working, which would probably get the proper packages for X. As I'm a newbie, I'll just mention it as the first thing I'd try. Note that that will probably not get the newest X components, and will likely get the packages available for that release. Again, I'm not sure on that either.) The install business... Well, I know about as much as you on this one... (I read the help item for it...) hope that helps you get started. 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 14 19:10:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31AB416A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:10:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C9643F93 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hAF3AIFY080014 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hAF3AIVJ080012 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:10:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 19:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200311150310.hAF3AIVJ080012@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 03:10:19 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 15 09:59:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13EB716A4CE for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:59:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.ninjabucket.com (ninjabucket.com [208.60.152.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0571343FB1 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 09:59:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aaron@snaphat.com) Received: from mail.snaphat.com (pcp04337577pcs.elkton01.md.comcast.net [68.33.78.247]) by mail.ninjabucket.com (8.12.8/8.11.6) with SMTP id hAFHxWZ2047463 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from aaron@snaphat.com) Received: from 68.33.78.247 (SquirrelMail authenticated user aaron) by mail.snaphat.com with HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <33672.68.33.78.247.1068919173.squirrel@mail.snaphat.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:59:33 -0500 (EST) From: "Aaron Myles Landwehr" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: New freebsd site X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: aaron@snaphat.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 17:59:36 -0000 http://freebsdaddicts.org For those of you who don't know... I found this site...its new so it doesn't have much yet, but in the future its sure to have lots of helpful articles for newbies. -aaron landwehr -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) mQILBD+0WTUBEADKcWoPGlW2TUTIe0ls4MiSu009x5KzWuwXUILiZX27GMdB7nk+ NBTL3wqjLqiFCKJfEFod/LCnH3Mx3+2MV+j579D1H9labgiS1iT35nudY3PRkhT8 b0iWdPmEAV8GirE59VxNwFLOXh0EsK8agdPSh4SC7QONo/RPUC2s4fE3RbZQf1Dt d4jD4/mtg8CyaI8Mh7+eQ6mSwkxNTh5HU+3dxVHVdbFex+2P/fg/aU01rGIhopoj dXPIRuz0oMuqxuVOABY+tcamopvd86hjSFcyLN0WH3B/0HQI95iU4+In0FuMbGsC t0OyP99GsYkmdOzRh+jLZyLDEt2vemwrH6ziA16aaewRW+azwu3fvXeuPGIRw9kz h2v53FIec/k2wX54iQl/Eg+G88rcwmjeWwfF8lHmveWEA3P1zvg5BGprUb4L4puX V9GcADbXWW3ueRxz1en7BVgiSbHtfNNzjYS4g5HSktgflolJKcggqtjcII5EqxbH T/OX72+KMOQWofNW5a6IIZddVvChzU8rqH6fUAF5rFvYO0ZKB3R18OFioLSKuIA0 toSSb9Z29liV2q8Ed3DvRK+77vE1sp+H03iI4k95b5amWHQL09wn8FGwsOJrsDt0 vBMPk5OTzEhAKcysxjNK5MRc4tsAbpj6I7VcZUwv+WEkcYV2B6ExOD6thQAGKbQo QWFyb24gTXlsZXMgTGFuZHdlaHIgPGFhcm9uQHNuYXBoYXQuY29tPokCNAQTAQIA HgUCP7RZNQIbAwYLCQgHAwIDFQIDAxYCAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCPcPZyFeyzOL2+D/wM mt+M6wpCE/mGcmTJh6vO83ahvxTJUhfgnzz5zFXcOpw2iIVBCVXWXPDziX6UneHe +k+JhaQQ6hR4wJPZwXocrbeCof6Qf2PEODPqm1k5We8cyrbE36xe2TD8SfC55qiP CvVtoS616adMGHlgHSk2PHO7MvCWr0WYDVFErRXBK5IGPz1q4D1ex2qbEs2Dyusx OqlRO4Yf9k3vYWpp4REuwMl9Oku5QJHVRAo2jemuZaSBCK9l26nYMQFfCcpI/XVT BXBzQwr9xyVaab5ea6Vyy7XTCHzVb3iRkVJJVigRuSpVsP9utTtwVQRYbeHXxvx+ UNRqFtn1wxjnK20Rg7OiMAWRCjafx3yQPo3i416fVX09RH9jOTAX3DB71OV1xleN PBBGgFbz9g2rjoty2nRhCtuMwW18QoaYcLX1XjEbFZ3h6krszcppg2NesemZmAi2 vUjYJoQYoR1Lo2dqI1+d9Nmp+ZdvYsFkEKOGtNcxoDmTrvMQhXvJohmlttAfLQNy 9aJrlMqRO2Wfa/MdM5sHkMTDY9HD8bZcuek84aAEYr5F4fK/0wjsAYbfr9xJsKnR ovKv3Ho2azA72SfMyLfuP7MK2C4lwtGJP73O+JqIzRsiuY7AVWSLwBsKuX0vBpN8 9e9p3zly5oxjx2RIglJlKgUuM9qwfSLlWupK698aBQ== =8sqC -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 15 11:15:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A1D16A4CE for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:15:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ctb-mesg3.saix.net (ctb-mesg3.saix.net [196.25.240.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78D643FBF for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:15:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roland@thegreentree.org) Received: from thegreentree.org (unknown [196.25.134.130]) by ctb-mesg3.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653BC3522F for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:15:30 +0200 (SAST) Received: from Spooler by thegreentree.org (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MO000080; 15 Nov 03 21:15:31 +0200 Received: from spooler by thegreentree.org (Mercury/32 v3.32); 15 Nov 03 21:15:13 +0200 Received: from roland (127.0.0.1) by thegreentree.org (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MG00007F; 15 Nov 03 21:15:10 +0200 From: "Roland Giesler" To: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:15:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: RE: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:15:35 -0000 Maybe someone can explain how to actually use the three additional CD's in the set, since I've installed FreeBSD a number of times now, with the full ports collection and quite a number of the other distributions, but I've never needed the extra CD's? I alos don't find anything in the manuals re this or maybe I'm using the wrong terms in my search? Regards Roland Giesler -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Preston Crawford Sent: 10 November 2003 21:42 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? The thing is... my understanding (due to something someone else told me) was that the 4 CD set included a great deal of the source for the ports. This is a big draw to me as I was told I could just install all 4 CDs, then whenever a port changed I would just get the changed files via CVS, instead of the whole thing. This would be nice since I'm on a modem. Is there somewhere to download the other CDs in ISO format until I can buy them? I have access to broadband, just not at home. Preston ----- Original Message ----- From: Lute Mullenix Sent: 11/10/2003 11:16:34 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? > Well I just checked at bsdcentral.com, and you can get the 4.9 install disk but it seems that all they have in the four disk sets is 4.8, and 5.1. You may want to contact them and see if you can get a four disk set through them. It's been some time since I have done business with them but in the past they were real good to do business with. If you have a broadband connection it might be the best way just to get the install disk, because then the rest of the system would be all up to da te. > > -- > Lute > > ************************ > * Power Provided * > * by * > * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * > ************************ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 15 11:45:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32FD816A4CE for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:45:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAA143FDF for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 11:45:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:48:32 -0600 Message-ID: <3FB6825F.8020500@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 13:45:35 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roland Giesler References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2003 19:48:33.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[73722F50:01C3ABB1] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:45:45 -0000 Roland Giesler wrote: >Maybe someone can explain how to actually use the three additional CD's in >the set, since I've installed FreeBSD a number of times now, with the full >ports collection and quite a number of the other distributions, but I've >never needed the extra CD's? I alos don't find anything in the manuals re >this or maybe I'm using the wrong terms in my search? > >Regards > >Roland Giesler > > > Well, I'd be guessing ... never bothered to buy a set. Ought to, to support the project, I guess.... What's on 'em? Is it a list kinda like this? foo-1.1.tar.gz bar-2.5.4.tar.bz2 .......................... .......................... Then it's source for ports, as someone else mentioned...copy 'em to /usr/ports/distfiles and see if it makes life easier when building in /usr/ports/path/to/whatever.... HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 15 12:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D4216A4CF for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C35B543F3F for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@bitfreak.org) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (12-206-23-247.client.attbi.com [12.206.23.247]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C0D2A403; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:53:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from speck.techno.pagans (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by speck.techno.pagans (Postfix) with SMTP id 828D5C0D9; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:53:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:53:47 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim To: "Roland Giesler" Message-Id: <20031115125347.71686d35.dmp@bitfreak.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.3claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Obtaining the full 4 CDs? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:53:51 -0000 On 2003.11.15 21:15:10 +0200, "Roland Giesler" wrote: > Maybe someone can explain how to actually use the three additional > CD's in the set, since I've installed FreeBSD a number of times now, > with the full ports collection and quite a number of the other > distributions, but I've never needed the extra CD's? I alos don't > find anything in the manuals re this or maybe I'm using the wrong > terms in my search? Disc 2 is bootable and contains a live filesystem--a copy of the base distribution. In sysinstall, choose FixIt, and you'll get a dialog with four options, the CDROM/DVD option lets you mount the disc and use the programs on it. This gets you access to fdisk, fsck, disklabel, and all the file manipulation tools you typically need repair a system. This is useful for stuff like removing a forgotten root password when you've set the console to insecure, using fdisk to examine and fix a system disk that won't boot, or locate that backup copy of the GENERIC kernel so you can boot the machine to single user, fix your broken custom kernel config and rebuild. The remaining space on disc 2 and all of discs 3 and 4 contain additional packages. You can use sysinstall to install them after the initial install by running sysinstall again, choose Configure, Packages, CD/DVD. You can also use pkg_add. A lot of work has gone into determining the set of packages people are most likely to want to install initially, so most of what you'd want from packages is on disc 1. The only package I've found missing from disc 1 is the non-X build of cvsup, cvsup-without-gui. The packages contain fully-compiled programs, not source code, and are specific to the version of FreeBSD on the CDs. It's possible for them to work on other versions, but it's a Really Bad Idea to do so. The version-specific nature of packages includes the security branches. For example, a package for 4.8-RELEASE isn't safe even for use on 4.8-RELEASE-p1. Hope this helps. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 15 21:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEE916A4CE for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:41:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC7043FBF for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2003 21:41:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stormjumper@myrealbox.com) Received: from sj2 stormjumper@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [210.24.202.26] $ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:41:31 -0700 Message-ID: <076d01c3ac04$0f8ecf90$6305a8c0@hockjim.homeip.net> From: "stormjumper" Cc: References: <024501c3aa06$4025ca50$6305a8c0@hockjim.homeip.net> <3FB3BF91.2070104@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:39:48 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 05:41:33 -0000 thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "stormjumper" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 01:29 Subject: Re: FreeBSD: diff between RELEASE and STABLE > stormjumper wrote: > > >hmm, > > > >thanks Johan > > > >somebody, anybody, correct me if i'm wrong pls. > > > >does this imply that RELEASE is more stable than STABLE? > > > >thanks > > > > > > More or less, yes. > > -STABLE is stable, but changes to the code > are put in from time to time to make progress > toward the *next* RELEASE. In the event someone > manages to accidentally mangle a line of code, > it might not get noticed until you sync your source > and buildworld, etc. > > Then you get some message "syntax error in foofile > on line xxx" and 'stop in /usr/src' ... not too much fun. > Even worse, it might build but not run correctly. > > FWIW, this has never happened to me, and I've > been using -STABLE on production servers for > over a year. > > -RELEASE code is -STABLE that is frozen, double > and triple checked and allowed to 'simmer' for a > few weeks to see if any such problems appear, > basically. The guys work pretty hard to make sure > that it's gonna be acceptable to stamp "RELEASE" > on it and not ruin the OS's image as a strong, > stable, modern and powerful OS. > > HTH, > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >