From owner-freebsd-ppc Mon Feb 17 17:36:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E08437B401; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:35:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.185]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECFA243F75; Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:35:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mail@almrausch.com) Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18kweP-0000Gg-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 02:34:25 +0100 Received: from [80.34.191.34] (helo=Server) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18kweI-0005pP-00; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 02:34:19 +0100 Message-ID: <416-22003221812715200@Server> To: "org" From: "mail" Subject: re: Detailed Info Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 02:27:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi there, Here is some more Info! Jetzt endlich auch in Europa!!! A recent survey by Nielsen/Netratings says that "The Internet population is rapidly approaching a 'Half a Billion' People!" =20 SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN TO YOU? Let's assume that every person has 'only' one E-mail address=2E That's 500= million potential customers and growing! In addition, "E-mail is without question the most powerful method of distributing information on earth" Well, I think you get the picture=2E The numbers and potential are just st= aggering, but it gets even better =2E=2E=2E START YOUR OWN E-MAIL BUSINESS TODAY & ENJOY THE FOLLOWING BENEFITS: ********************************************************* 1=2E ALL CUSTOMERS PAY YOU IN CASH 2=2E YOU WILL SELL A PRODUCT WHICH COSTS NOTHING TO PRODUCE 3=2E YOUR ONLY MAJOR OVERHEAD IS YOUR TIME 4=2E YOU HAVE 100s OF MILLIONS OF POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS 5=2E YOU GET DETAILED, EASY TO FOLLOW STARTUP INSTRUCTIONS ******************************************************** =20 AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG =2E=2E=2E As you read on you'll discover how a 'Seen on National TV' program is payi= ng out excellent returns, every 4 to 5 months from your home, for a minima= l initial startup investment of only $25 US Dollars=2E ALL THANKS TO THE C= OMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET! This is the letter you have been hearing a lot about recently=2E Due to th= e popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news progra= m recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program des= cribed below, to see if it really can make people money=2E This is what one had to say: '' Thanks to this profitable=20 opportunity=2E I was approached many times before but each time=20 I passed on it=2E I am so glad I finally joined just to see what=20 one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money=20 required=2E To my astonishment, I received a 6 figure income=20 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in''=2E Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey=2E =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Here is another testimonial: ''' this program has been around for=20 a long time but I never believed in it=2E But one day when I received=20 this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it=2E I followed=20 the simple instructions and walaa =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E 3 weeks later the money=20= started to come in=2E First month I only made a small amount of money, =20= but the next 2 months after that I made a total of a good 6 figures=2E =20= So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made=20 a lot more and I am playing it again=2E The key to success in this=20 program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything=2E'' =20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D More testimonials later but first: *****PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE & FOLLOW THESE SIMPLE INSTRU= CTIONS TO MAKE YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS TRUE! ***** ***** Druckt Euch dieses Formular aus und behaltet es f=FCr weitere Fragen= & befolgt die einfachen Instruktionen und macht Eure Finanziellen Tr=E4um= e wahr**** INSTRUCTIONS: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D **** Order all 5 reports shown on the list below=2E Bestellt alle 5 Reporte ------------------------------------------------------- **** For each report, send $5 U=2ES=2E CASH, ( WITHIN THE EU 5 =80 ) THE N= AME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report=2E Sendet f=FCr jeden Report 5 Dollar ( in der EU - 5 Euro )in Bar=2E Den Nam= en und die Nummer des Reports den ihr bestellen wollt, & eure Emailadresse= an den Namen der neben dem Report steht=2E ------------------------------------------------------ MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems=2E Vergesst nicht die Absenderadresse, falls mal etwas daneben geht! ------------------------------------------------------- **** When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports **** Immer alle 5 Reporte bestellen!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------- You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and= resell them=2E Ihr braucht alle 5 Reporte um sie weiter zu verkaufen!!!! ----------------------------------------------------------- YOUR UP-FRONT COST is ONLY $5 X 5 =3D $25=2E00=2E Denkt daran, alles was ihr investiert sind nur 5x5 $ od=2E =80 =3D 25 Doll= ar od=2E Euro ------------------------------------------------------------- *********Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the 5 rep= orts from these 5 different individuals=2E Save them on your computer so t= hey will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who may or= der from you=2E Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it at your de= sk in case something happens to your computer=2E In einigen Tagen werded ihr 5 verschiedene Reporte von 5 verschiedenen Leu= ten erhalten=2E Speichert sie ab um sie dann wieder zu verkaufen=2E Macht eine Sicherungskopie auf Diskette!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------= **********IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any = way other than what is instructed below in steps 1 through 6 or you will l= oose out on majority of your profits=2E Once you understand the way this w= orks, you will also see how it does not work if you change it=2E *********WICHTIG: Ver=E4ndert die Namen nicht, sonst verlieren wir alle!! Es geht nur wenn ihr den Instruktionen folgt=2E Wenn ihr atewas ver=E4ndert, werded ihr sehen das der Lauf unterbrochen is= t, und nichts geht mehr=2EIhr nehmt auch den anderen die Chance Geld zu verdienen= =2E ----------------------------------------------------------------- Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names o= n all five thinking they could get all the money=2E But it does not work t= his way=2E Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing hap= pened=2E Merkt Euch=2E das ist getestet und wenn ihr etwas ver=E4ndert, z=2EB=2E Na= men eurer Verwanden oder Freunden auf allen 5 Pl=E4tzen eintragt, verdient keiner me= hr!! ------------------------------------------------ So do not try to change anything other than what is instructed=2E Because = if you do, it will not work for you=2E Remember, honesty reaps the reward= !!! Also bitte =E4ndert nichts auser dem vorgegebenem, und vergesst nicht, ****** EHRLICH W=C4HRT AM L=C4NGSTEN ************* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------------------------------ 1=2E After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REM= OVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5=2E This person has made= it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their money=2E Wenn ihr alle 5 Reporte erhalten habt, nehmt diese Schreiben und entfernt den 5=2E Namen auf der Liste=2E Der ist durch, der hat es geschafft, und z= =E4hlt gerade sein Geld!!!!!!! ------- 2=2E Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5=2E Namen und Adresse von REPORT # 4 nach REPORT # 5 verschieben=2E ------ 3=2E Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4=2E Namen und Adresse von REPORT # 3 nach REPORT # 4 verschieben=2E ------ 4=2E Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3=2E Namen und Adresse von REPORT # 2 nach REPORT # 3 verschieben=2E ------ 5=2E Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2=2E Namen und Adresse von REPORT # 1 nach REPORT # 2 verschieben=2E ------ 6=2E Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position=2E Nun DEINEN Namen & deine Adresse an die erste Stelle zu REPORT # 1 setzte= n=2E --------------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Bitte Namen und Adresse pr=FCfen!! -------------- Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer=2E DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES=2E Save this= on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data=2E Nimm diesen Brief und =E4ndere NUR die NAMEN in den Reporten, sonst nichts= !! ------------------------------- To assist you with marketing your business on the Internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing info= rmation that includes: How to send bulk e-mails legally, Where to find tho= usands of free classified ads and much, much more=2E There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-m= ails each=2E Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0=2E2% res= ponse (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0=2E= 2%=2E Also, many people may send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead= of only 5,000 each)=2E Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails=2E With a 0=2E= 2% response, that is only 10 orders for report #1=2E Those 10 people respo= nded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000=2E Out of tho= se 50,000 e-mails only 0=2E2% responded with orders=2E That's =3D 100 peo= ple responded and ordered Report #2=2E Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-m= ails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails=2E The 0=2E2% response to that i= s 1000 orders for Report #3=2E Speichere ihn ab, damit du ihn wiederverwenden kannst!!! --------------------- Den folgenden Absatz werde ich nicht =FCbersetzen, Zahlen sprechen f=FCr s= ich!! Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out=2E The 0=2E2% response to that is 10,000 order= s for Report #4=2E Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a = total of 50,000,000 (50 million) Emails=2E The 0=2E2% response to that is= 100,000 orders for Report #5=2E THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH =3D $500,000=2E00 (a half million)=2E Your total income in this example is: 1=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E $50 + 2=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E $500 + 3=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E $5,000 + 4=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E $50,000 + 5=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E $500,000 =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E Grand Total =3D $5= 55,550=2E00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE=2E GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGURE OUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU CAN STILL MAKE MONEY! ----------------------------------------------------------- REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 PEOPLE YOU MAILED=2E DIES IST DIE RECHNUNG WENN NUR 10 LEUTE AUF DEINE MAILS ANTWORTEN!!!!!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------ Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone, or 1/2, or even one 1/5 of those people mailed 100,000 e-mails each or mor= e? There are over 500 million people on the Internet worldwide and counti= ng=2E Believe me, many people may do just that, and more! METHOD # 2: PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D Advertising on the net is very, very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise=2E Placing a lot of free ads on = the Internet can easily get a larger response=2E We strongly suggest you s= tart with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along=2E For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they o= rdered=2E That's it! Always provide same day service on all orders=2E Th= is will guarantee that the emails they send out, with your name and addres= s on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive = the report=2E ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY=2E ** BESTELLE JEDEN REPORT NUR MIT NUMMER UND NAMEN ** Note: Always send $5 cash (U=2ES=2E CURRENCY) ( WITHIN EU 5 =80 ) for eac= h Report=2E Checks or money orders are NOT accepted=2E Make sure the cash= is wrapped in at least 2 sheets of paper before you put it in the envelop= e=2E On one of those sheets of paper, write the NUMBER and the NAME of the= Report you are ordering, your email ADDRESS, your NAME and postal address= =2E Make sure you affix proper 'International' Postage if ordering a repor= t from outside your country=2E WICHTIG: Sende nur Bargeld, keine Schecks , 5 $ in die USA oder 5 =80 in d= er EU=2E Schlage das Geld in 2 Blatt Papier ein=2E Schreibe auf eines der Bl=E4tter deinen Namen, deine Postadresse, die Numm= er des REPORTS den du bestellst, und deine Emailadresse=2E!!!!!!! Bitte richtig frankieren!!!!! ------------------------------------------------------- PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: Bestellt Eure Reporte nun! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Report 1: The Insider\'s Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net =2E=2E=2E= =20 Order from: Martin Bergmann, Avda=2E Son Oliver 14 b , 07199 Son Oliver , Mallorca, Ba= leares, Spain, Europe =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Report 2: The insiders Guide To Sending Bulk E-mail On The Net =2E=2E=2E=20= Order from: Donald Roberts 212 Woodland Drive Mcminnville, TN, 37110 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Report 3: Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net =2E=2E=2E=20 Order from: LW 401-50 Burnhamthorpe Rd West Mississauga, ON, L5B 3C2 Canada =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Report 4: How To Become A Millionaire Using MLM & The Net =2E=2E=2E=20 Order from:=20 Sandy Patterson 222 Ridge Wood Lane Sugar Land, Texas, 77479 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Report 5: How To Send Out One Million Emails & Jump Start Your Business =2E= =2E=2E Order from: Charlie Thomas 1255 South Jefferson Huntington, IN, 46750 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D There are currently almost 500,000,000 people online worldwide! $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: ************************************************* If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do=2E Wenn ihr in 2 Wochen nicht mindestens 10 Bestellungen f=FCr den 1=2E Repor= t habt, sendet einfach wietere Emails aus, Je mehr je besser!!!!!! ----------------------------- After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for Report #2=2E If you did not, co= ntinue advertising or sending e-mails until you do=2E Wenn ihr die zehn Bestellungen habt, sollten inerhalb der n=E4chsten 2 - 3= Wochen mind=2E 100 weitere Bestellungen f=FCr Report #2 eintreffen=2E Falls nicht, sendet weitere Emails aus !!!!!= !!!!!! -------------------------------=20 Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report #2, YOU CAN RELAX, be= cause the system is already working for you! Wenn Ihr dann 100 Bestellungen f=FCr den 2=2E Report habt, k=F6nnt Ihr Rel= axen, denn dann arbeitet das System bereits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------- THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the l= ist, you are placed in front of a different report=2E You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are or= dering from you=2E IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND ST= ART THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN!!! ____________________________________________________ FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED=2E=20 *** Befolgt die Anweisung des Erfinders dieses Systems *** --------------------------------- Do not change it in any way=2E Nichts ver=E4ndern!!!!!!!=20 It works exceedingly well as it is now=2E Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your = name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E= =2E=2E=2E# 5 as instructed above=2E One of the people you send this to ma= y send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of t= hem=2E Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customer= s you will reach=2E NICHT VERGESSEN: Wenn ihr die Namen ge=E4ndert habt, deinen als ersten usw= =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=20 sende diesen Brief an XXXXX Leute via Email=2E Einem den du schreibst, versendet vielleicht 100=2E000 oder mehr=2E Wie gesagt=2E je mehr - je besser!!!! 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I'd like to know, what's the exactly state of FreeBSD-ppc? Could I use the -ppc in multiuser mode? Is any help needed to achieve a higher productive level? =20 Thanks for any hints, Anselm --=20 Anselm R. Garbe () ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail=20 www.ebrag.de /\ - against microsoft attachments --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+UjJEz2Gb99c2zmMRAjVnAJ0d8ciz5gWRh6Nibl9pXMaNVjIS3gCgl2d3 bYTjGusuhV15bxYQFPiRVUE= =/I0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --qMm9M+Fa2AknHoGS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 4:50: 7 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF837B401 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:50:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D82843F85 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:50:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1JCoAVU032716; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:50:11 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E537DC1.24BDF167@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:51:13 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anselm Garbe Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about the state of the ppc port References: <20030218131652.GA604@wotan.garbe> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Anselm, > I'm going to buy an apple ibook (G3 700) and read about the > freebsd-ppc project. I'd like to know, what's the exactly state of > FreeBSD-ppc? > > Could I use the -ppc in multiuser mode? Yes, with some serious caveats. You have to be of the 'extreme early adopter' mentality at this point. > Is any help needed to achieve a higher productive level? Absolutely! later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 9:52:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6E1337B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:52:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A5143FA3; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:52:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.218]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lYOD-0007mR-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:52:13 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.11] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 19 09:52:13 PST 2003 Message-ID: <166439.1045677133482.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:52:12 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: grehan@freebsd.org Subject: Also interested in testing Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've been following the mailing list archive for a few months now and I've just recently acquired a second gen (I believe) clamshell iBook. I'm hoping a few direct questions will get me (and perhaps others) started... The hardware I have right now is a 300MHz G3, 67MHz bus, iBook (version = 83.0), OF rev 3, Boot ROM 4.1.7f4, 288MB RAM, 10/100 ethernet, airport card, 56K modem (all three built in/installed), USB port, 4MB ATI Rage Mobility Lp(rev 64), 24x(?) Matshita cdrom. I have currently installed (using the whole disk) Apple OS 10.2.4 because I wanted to try it out but I have a 10GB from a Dell laptop I can put in for more room. Now for the questions. Please forgive me if I've missed something in the mailing lists about these topics -- I've not been able to find them. My understanding is that FreeBSD support is targetted such that the same machines supported by Net/OpenBSD will be what can run FreeBSD. Is this correct? My generalized criteria were that anything supported by Apple's OS X distributions should or will soon be supported by FreeBSD; hence the old iBook purchase. If this is not the case, what specifically should I be looking for in terms of "development" hardware? My other questions all deal with what exactly I need to do to test the current state of the porting effort (and hopefully eventually contribute to it). Some months back I saw mention of ISO images and such but I haven't seen anything like that for a while. Also, not very long ago someone mentioned "compiling natively;" does this mean something along the lines of net booting and then using either an NFS mounted disk or a local disk for compiling a kernel? What can I do to duplicate this? Are there ISO images or do need to set up an NFS server for my efforts? Finally, I'm interested in (as a final result sometime down the line) a machine that dual boots Apple OS X and FreeBSD. I'm guessing that will be possible (as it is now with Net/OpenBSD with fiddling in OF settings) but I'd like to confirm this. If you can point me in the right direction I'd like to jump in as soon as possible; I've had the iBook a week now and I'm itching to get my hands dirty in the code! Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 10: 4:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD7937B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:04:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CD743F93; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 10:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1JI4O8I026662 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1JI4J446690; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:04:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15955.50979.366413.172143@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:04:19 -0500 (EST) To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: grehan@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Also interested in testing In-Reply-To: <166439.1045677133482.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <166439.1045677133482.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Welch writes: > someone mentioned "compiling natively;" does this mean > something along the lines of net booting and then using > either an NFS mounted disk or a local disk for compiling > a kernel? What can I do to duplicate this? Are there > ISO images or do need to set up an NFS server for my > efforts? I managed (a month or so ago) to build a kernel natively and boot it. Eg, the source was in a local fs on my powerbook, and the resulting kernel was copied to / and booted. Here's my story (remember, its been one month, so details may be a little fuzzy): I left a 9GB Apple partition free on my powerbook when I installed it with 10.2. I netbooted FreeBSD using a cross-built kernel and world (built on my x86 desktop). I then newfs'ed that partition and copied FreeBSD onto it. This left me with a machine I needed to netboot (openfirmware doesn't grok UFS). Fortunately, you can slap /boot/loader into an HFS+ partition (using a 3rd machine to copy the file to; reboot into MacOS, copy the file back). Then you can boot directly from openfirmware. Once you get to the loader, you can set the curdev to be the FreeBSD partition, then load the kernel and away you go. Its somewhat easier to just copy the kernel to the HFS+ partition and boot it directly. Hope that helps.. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 13:20:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D1337B405; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5A143F3F; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:20:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.218]) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lbdh-0003w6-00; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:20:25 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.205] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Wed Feb 19 13:20:25 PST 2003 Message-ID: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:20:23 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: grehan@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Please forgive my ignorance -- my understanding of the boot process is minimal at best. I think you mean that you have the program loader (found under /boot on a FreeBSD system) in the OS X partition (slice?). You then run that from OF and tell it where the FreeBSD slice is so that it can boot the kernel. This makes sense to me. The next part contradicts my understanding of the process... You said you can boot the kernel directly -- that sounds as though you bypass the loader program altogether, but how do you specify the slice and root partition of the rest of the system? If it starts directly from the OS X slice it can't infer that, can it? I know that the command "boot -a" will let you specify this in response to a question, but I thought that "boot" was calling the entire bootstrapping sequence, including loader? This is good stuff -- the porting effort is obviously much further along than I had hoped! Sean -------Original Message------- From: Andrew Gallatin Sent: 02/19/03 12:04 PM To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing > > Sean Welch writes: > someone mentioned "compiling natively;" does this mean > something along the lines of net booting and then using > either an NFS mounted disk or a local disk for compiling > a kernel? What can I do to duplicate this? Are there > ISO images or do need to set up an NFS server for my > efforts? I managed (a month or so ago) to build a kernel natively and boot it. Eg, the source was in a local fs on my powerbook, and the resulting kernel was copied to / and booted. Here's my story (remember, its been one month, so details may be a little fuzzy): I left a 9GB Apple partition free on my powerbook when I installed it with 10.2. I netbooted FreeBSD using a cross-built kernel and world (built on my x86 desktop). I then newfs'ed that partition and copied FreeBSD onto it. This left me with a machine I needed to netboot (openfirmware doesn't grok UFS). Fortunately, you can slap /boot/loader into an HFS+ partition (using a 3rd machine to copy the file to; reboot into MacOS, copy the file back). Then you can boot directly from openfirmware. Once you get to the loader, you can set the curdev to be the FreeBSD partition, then load the kernel and away you go. Its somewhat easier to just copy the kernel to the HFS+ partition and boot it directly. Hope that helps.. Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 13:28: 5 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006D737B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:28:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDDF43FB1; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:28:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1JLS18I018381 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:28:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1JLRuH46852; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:27:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15955.63196.87405.422505@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:27:56 -0500 (EST) To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: grehan@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing In-Reply-To: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Welch writes: > Please forgive my ignorance -- my understanding of the boot > process is minimal at best. I think you mean that you have > the program loader (found under /boot on a FreeBSD system) > in the OS X partition (slice?). You then run that from > OF and tell it where the FreeBSD slice is so that it can > boot the kernel. This makes sense to me. The next part Yes. > contradicts my understanding of the process... > > You said you can boot the kernel directly -- that sounds > as though you bypass the loader program altogether, but Yes. > how do you specify the slice and root partition of the > rest of the system? If it starts directly from the OS X It can't find its root partition, so it stops at the mountroot prompt (where a normal system would mount root, it gives you a prompt). You then tell it ufs:ad0s10 (or wherever your FreeBSD partition is). In fact, when I was playing with this, the loader couldn't really pass the root device to the kernel either, since you need to specify the root device in OFW syntax (<30 chars or so of hex and device names>), not FreeBSD syntax (ad0s10). So in either case, the kernel would stop and ask for its root. Hope this helps, Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 13:39:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C3837B401; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-89.apple.com [17.250.248.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F119543F3F; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:39:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from woappsx48.mac.com (woappsx48-en1 [10.13.11.148]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h1JLdifN024775; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:39:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from woappsx48 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by woappsx48.mac.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1JLdiHE025518; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:39:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7475487.1045690784155.JavaMail.leimy2k@mac.com> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:39:44 -0600 From: David Leimbach To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: grehan@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hey there... I am also waiting to see if there will be a resonse here. I expect the coders don't believe that it has reached a point where we won't need hand holding for every step of the process. I am sure they will announce something when they are ready and I just hope they keep us in there queue of people who are willing to test :) Dave On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:52AM, Sean Welch wrote: >I've been following the mailing list archive for a few >months now and I've just recently acquired a second gen >(I believe) clamshell iBook. I'm hoping a few direct >questions will get me (and perhaps others) started... > >The hardware I have right now is a 300MHz G3, 67MHz >bus, iBook (version = 83.0), OF rev 3, Boot ROM 4.1.7f4, >288MB RAM, 10/100 ethernet, airport card, 56K modem (all >three built in/installed), USB port, >4MB ATI Rage Mobility Lp(rev 64), 24x(?) Matshita cdrom. > >I have currently installed (using the whole disk) >Apple OS 10.2.4 because I wanted to try it out but I have >a 10GB from a Dell laptop I can put in for more room. > >Now for the questions. Please forgive me if I've missed >something in the mailing lists about these topics -- I've >not been able to find them. > >My understanding is that FreeBSD support is targetted such >that the same machines supported by Net/OpenBSD will be >what can run FreeBSD. Is this correct? My generalized >criteria were that anything supported by Apple's OS X >distributions should or will soon be supported by FreeBSD; >hence the old iBook purchase. If this is not the case, >what specifically should I be looking for in terms of >"development" hardware? > >My other questions all deal with what exactly I need to >do to test the current state of the porting effort (and >hopefully eventually contribute to it). Some months back >I saw mention of ISO images and such but I haven't seen >anything like that for a while. Also, not very long ago >someone mentioned "compiling natively;" does this mean >something along the lines of net booting and then using >either an NFS mounted disk or a local disk for compiling >a kernel? What can I do to duplicate this? Are there >ISO images or do need to set up an NFS server for my >efforts? > >Finally, I'm interested in (as a final result sometime >down the line) a machine that dual boots Apple OS X and >FreeBSD. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 21:16: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 259F737B405 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B4843F85 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:15:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1K5FsVU054990; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:15:55 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E5464D3.F3B75FD7@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:17:07 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <166439.1045677133482.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Sean, > The hardware I have right now is a 300MHz G3, 67MHz > bus, iBook (version = 83.0), OF rev 3, Boot ROM 4.1.7f4, > 288MB RAM, 10/100 ethernet, airport card, 56K modem (all > three built in/installed), USB port, > 4MB ATI Rage Mobility Lp(rev 64), 24x(?) Matshita cdrom. I use the same model for development, no problem there. > My understanding is that FreeBSD support is targetted such > that the same machines supported by Net/OpenBSD will be > what can run FreeBSD. Is this correct? My generalized > criteria were that anything supported by Apple's OS X > distributions should or will soon be supported by FreeBSD; > hence the old iBook purchase. If this is not the case, > what specifically should I be looking for in terms of > "development" hardware? NetBSD supports pretty much every PowerMac model except the original NuBus ones. OpenBSD supports the same model range as OSX, which is G3+G4 machines. I suspect this will be the target for FreeBSD as well. The unsupported G3 machines at the moment with FreeBSD are the beige, B&W, and early iMacs. That should be rectified soon. > Finally, I'm interested in (as a final result sometime > down the line) a machine that dual boots Apple OS X and > FreeBSD. I'm guessing that will be possible (as it is > now with Net/OpenBSD with fiddling in OF settings) but > I'd like to confirm this. Yep, although as Drew mentioned you'll need a separate partition for FreeBSD. > If you can point me in the right direction I'd like to > jump in as soon as possible; I've had the iBook a week > now and I'm itching to get my hands dirty in the code! Great! later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 22:14:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F72C37B401 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:14:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E5A43F93 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:14:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1K6EaVU062508; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:14:37 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E547294.E74DEC5@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:15:48 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org, freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <166439.1045677133482.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <15955.50979.366413.172143@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Its somewhat easier to just copy the kernel to the HFS+ partition and > boot it directly. Hopefully that can be fixed with some work on the loader. While it's an interesting feature to be able to boot the kernel directly, you miss out on a lot of stuff. Beware, the ppc port might even follow the sparc64 route in the future :-) /* * Panic is there is no metadata. Most likely the kernel was booted * directly, instead of through loader(8). */ if (mdp == NULL || kmdp == NULL) { printf("sparc64_init: no loader metadata.\n" "This probably means you are not using loader(8).\n"); panic("sparc64_init"); } later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Wed Feb 19 22:16:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6888637B401 for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:16:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4500543F3F for ; Wed, 19 Feb 2003 22:16:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1K6GXVU062573; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:16:33 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E547309.F538CED9@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:17:45 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org, freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <15955.63196.87405.422505@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > In fact, when I was playing with this, the loader couldn't really pass > the root device to the kernel either, since you need to specify the > root device in OFW syntax (<30 chars or so of hex and device names>), > not FreeBSD syntax (ad0s10). So in either case, the kernel would > stop and ask for its root. This has to be fixed, but in the meantime, at the loader prompt you can issue something like: > set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ad0s11 and then boot. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 5:44:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643C337B405; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 05:44:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FACF43FA3; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 05:44:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1KDif8I022421 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:44:41 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1KDiaa48133; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:44:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15956.56260.218671.830134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:44:36 -0500 (EST) To: Peter Grehan Cc: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Also interested in testing In-Reply-To: <3E547309.F538CED9@freebsd.org> References: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <15955.63196.87405.422505@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3E547309.F538CED9@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Grehan writes: > > In fact, when I was playing with this, the loader couldn't really pass > > the root device to the kernel either, since you need to specify the > > root device in OFW syntax (<30 chars or so of hex and device names>), > > not FreeBSD syntax (ad0s10). So in either case, the kernel would > > stop and ask for its root. > > This has to be fixed, but in the meantime, at the loader prompt you can issue > something like: > > > set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ad0s11 > > and then boot. Yes, of course. But its shorter to type ufs:ad0s11 at the mountroot prompt ;) What's the prognosis for the loader learning enough about HFS or HFS+ to be able to pull its configuration from files? Alternatively, I wonder if we could teach the OS-X boot loader about FFS so that it could load the loader from a FFS partition, and the loader could remain blissfully ignorant about HFS. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 7:58:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7800937B401; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C1144011; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:58:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.20]) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18lt5M-0001Gm-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:58:08 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.205] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Thu Feb 20 07:58:08 PST 2003 Message-ID: <1162021.1045756688770.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 07:58:06 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: Peter Grehan Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It's good to hear confirmation that my hardware is sufficient. A new partition is no problem. My main machine is an Inspiron 8000 with 40GB disk. It has WinME, two installs of 4.7-RELEASE and one of 5.0-RELEASE -- I should be able to run a cross-compile on it. Now I'll need to go research cross-compiling and netbooting... Any pointers before I start googling for info? Sean -------Original Message------- From: Peter Grehan Sent: 02/19/03 11:17 PM To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing > > Hi Sean, > The hardware I have right now is a 300MHz G3, 67MHz > bus, iBook (version = 83.0), OF rev 3, Boot ROM 4.1.7f4, > 288MB RAM, 10/100 ethernet, airport card, 56K modem (all > three built in/installed), USB port, > 4MB ATI Rage Mobility Lp(rev 64), 24x(?) Matshita cdrom. I use the same model for development, no problem there. > My understanding is that FreeBSD support is targetted such > that the same machines supported by Net/OpenBSD will be > what can run FreeBSD. Is this correct? My generalized > criteria were that anything supported by Apple's OS X > distributions should or will soon be supported by FreeBSD; > hence the old iBook purchase. If this is not the case, > what specifically should I be looking for in terms of > "development" hardware? NetBSD supports pretty much every PowerMac model except the original NuBus ones. OpenBSD supports the same model range as OSX, which is G3+G4 machines. I suspect this will be the target for FreeBSD as well. The unsupported G3 machines at the moment with FreeBSD are the beige, B&W, and early iMacs. That should be rectified soon. > Finally, I'm interested in (as a final result sometime > down the line) a machine that dual boots Apple OS X and > FreeBSD. I'm guessing that will be possible (as it is > now with Net/OpenBSD with fiddling in OF settings) but > I'd like to confirm this. Yep, although as Drew mentioned you'll need a separate partition for FreeBSD. > If you can point me in the right direction I'd like to > jump in as soon as possible; I've had the iBook a week > now and I'm itching to get my hands dirty in the code! Great! later, Peter. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 8:15:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A23537B401; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:15:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.48]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E110843FBD; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:15:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.20]) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ltME-0005EI-00; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:15:34 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.202] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Thu Feb 20 08:15:34 PST 2003 Message-ID: <7241722.1045757734299.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:15:31 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: Andrew Gallatin , Peter Grehan Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thanks (both of you) for the clarification. It sounds as though the "safest" method would be to run the loader on HFS+ with everything else on the UFS slice. The OS X loader mod is an interesting possibility; they already have some sort of support for their own funky mod of UFS. (Don't try to run OS X on UFS -- it is really flakey) I saw some work being done over in the OpenBSD camp to support that version of UFS and it looked to me as though the addressing was non-standard. Maybe standard UFS support wouldn't be that hard to add, but I'd hate to have to rely on their code to boot FreeBSD. Has anyone taken a look at "ofwboot" from Net/OpenBSD? (At first glance it appears both are using the same code...) Also, is there any support for the airport wireless yet? When I was reading through support for the platform offered by the other BSDs, I believe I saw that the modem is attached internally to the USB bus; any chance that since 5.0 supports USB modems it is just recognized as one of those? OpenBSD (I think it was) could see the modem but had no driver for it. Sean -------Original Message------- From: Andrew Gallatin Sent: 02/20/03 07:44 AM To: Peter Grehan Subject: Re: Also interested in testing > > Peter Grehan writes: > > In fact, when I was playing with this, the loader couldn't really pass > > the root device to the kernel either, since you need to specify the > > root device in OFW syntax (<30 chars or so of hex and device names>), > > not FreeBSD syntax (ad0s10). So in either case, the kernel would > > stop and ask for its root. > > This has to be fixed, but in the meantime, at the loader prompt you can issue > something like: > > > set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ad0s11 > > and then boot. Yes, of course. But its shorter to type ufs:ad0s11 at the mountroot prompt ;) What's the prognosis for the loader learning enough about HFS or HFS+ to be able to pull its configuration from files? Alternatively, I wonder if we could teach the OS-X boot loader about FFS so that it could load the loader from a FFS partition, and the loader could remain blissfully ignorant about HFS. Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 14:21:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B2637B401 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:21:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B89D43F85 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1KML2VU064794; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:21:04 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E555520.89E3C76F@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:22:24 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org, freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <15955.63196.87405.422505@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3E547309.F538CED9@freebsd.org> <15956.56260.218671.830134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ad0s11 > > > > and then boot. > > Yes, of course. But its shorter to type ufs:ad0s11 at the mountroot > prompt ;) :-) My current plan is to supply an argument when booting the loader, which will be able to auto-set currdev and the above variable e.g. O> boot hd:9\\loader dev=ad0s11 That should minimize typing even more, and also allow automatic booting from OpenFirmware. > What's the prognosis for the loader learning enough about HFS or HFS+ > to be able to pull its configuration from files? NetBSD uses OpenFirmware directly for this, so it could be worth a try. How would you see this working ? Would the presence of a HFS config file override the config file on the partition where the kernel would be loaded ? Or would they both be loaded ? > Alternatively, I wonder if we could teach the OS-X boot loader about > FFS so that it could load the loader from a FFS partition, and the > loader could remain blissfully ignorant about HFS. I don't know much about the OSX loader, but I'm guessing that you'd like to have the changes rolled back to Apple so that future OSX installs could also boot FreeBSD ? An interesting possibility would be for FreeBSD to get a HFS+ kernel module, write a Mach-0-to-ELF converter so that loader could be booted by the OSX boot loader, and then drop FreeBSD onto an existing OSX install. The root might have to be munged Linux-ulator style, but it would simplify things - there could even be a fancy OSX GUI installer :-) later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 14:28:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9420137B401; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:28:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE5643F85; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:28:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1KMSq8I014656 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1KMSls48647; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15957.22175.479216.85660@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) To: Peter Grehan Cc: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org, freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Also interested in testing In-Reply-To: <3E555520.89E3C76F@freebsd.org> References: <5035103.1045689625512.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> <15955.63196.87405.422505@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3E547309.F538CED9@freebsd.org> <15956.56260.218671.830134@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <3E555520.89E3C76F@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Peter Grehan writes: > > > > set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:ad0s11 > > > > > > and then boot. > > > > Yes, of course. But its shorter to type ufs:ad0s11 at the mountroot > > prompt ;) > > :-) > > My current plan is to supply an argument when booting the loader, which will be > able to auto-set currdev and the above variable e.g. > > O> boot hd:9\\loader dev=ad0s11 > > That should minimize typing even more, and also allow automatic booting from > OpenFirmware. That sounds like the best plan by far. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 15:14:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74D137B401 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:14:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.jeamland.net (rafe.jeamland.net [203.18.243.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957E543F93 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 15:14:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benno@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.9.191] (rtr1.snc.schools.net.au [203.31.232.2]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AEA670625 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:14:18 +1100 (EST) Subject: Patch to allow buildworld for powerpc From: Benno Rice To: freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Hn/aGcCLZEHhvKPV6WIA" Organization: Message-Id: <1045782782.618.48.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 21 Feb 2003 10:13:02 +1100 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --=-Hn/aGcCLZEHhvKPV6WIA Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unfortunately we can't build world on a stock tree yet. The following patch disables everything that doesn't build just yet: http://jeamland.net/~benno/powerpc-buildworld.diff You will notice when building world that you get a lot of warnings from gcc about the prototypes for various mem* and str* functions differing from it's builtins. I'm talking to the toolchain guys at the moment about fixing these. The command I use to build world is: make -DNO_WERROR -DNO_BIND -DNOSHARED -DNOINFO -DNOGAMES -DNOPROFILE -DNOSHARE -DNOCRYPT -DNOSECURE -DNOLIBC_R -DNO_IPFILTER -DNO_CXX -DNOFORTH -DNO_FORTH TARGET_ARCH=3Dpowerpc buildworld --=20 Benno Rice --=-Hn/aGcCLZEHhvKPV6WIA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+VWD+XjRwWofFmQkRAg0EAJ9n5yL0h3B/kgsGSk4Tye2j7P2aUACfemHC /QPrMJ2h0zDexIw7jX9yRp8= =T+kG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Hn/aGcCLZEHhvKPV6WIA-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 16: 5:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A16237B401; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:05:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA1A43FDF; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1L05MVU078467; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:05:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E556D95.37339AF0@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:06:45 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benno Rice Cc: freebsd-powerpc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Patch to allow buildworld for powerpc References: <1045782782.618.48.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You will notice when building world that you get a lot of warnings from > gcc about the prototypes for various mem* and str* functions differing > from it's builtins. I'm talking to the toolchain guys at the moment > about fixing these. You should have talked to me :-) rs6000/rs6000.h has the wrong definition of SIZE_TYPE for FreeBSD, which causes conflicts with the builtin mem/str functions. It needed to be overridden in rs6000/freebsd.h. For those who want to start building, I've put the gcc diffs up at people.freebsd.org/~grehan/gcc_diffs.tgz > The command I use to build world is: > > make -DNO_WERROR -DNO_BIND -DNOSHARED -DNOINFO -DNOGAMES -DNOPROFILE > -DNOSHARE -DNOCRYPT -DNOSECURE -DNOLIBC_R -DNO_IPFILTER -DNO_CXX > -DNOFORTH -DNO_FORTH TARGET_ARCH=powerpc buildworld You should take out -DNO_WERROR, -DNO_CXX, and -DNOSHARED. buildworld is clean with the above gcc patch, C++ builds fine, and shared libs have been working since the rtld checkin. Note there is a problem at runtime with libstdc++, hopefully that'll be fixed soon. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Thu Feb 20 17: 4:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4219837B401 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:04:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D144043FA3 for ; Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:04:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1L14dVU085945; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:04:39 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E557B79.1A72E131@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 11:06:01 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <7241722.1045757734299.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > The OS X loader mod is an interesting possibility; they already > have some sort of support for their own funky mod of UFS. (Don't > try to run OS X on UFS -- it is really flakey) I saw some work > being done over in the OpenBSD camp to support that version of > UFS and it looked to me as though the addressing was > non-standard. Maybe standard UFS support wouldn't be that hard > to add, but I'd hate to have to rely on their code to boot > FreeBSD. NetBSD now has the mods to support OSX's variant of UFS. I don't know how difficult that would be to port to FreeBSD's UFS. > Has anyone taken a look at "ofwboot" from Net/OpenBSD? (At > first glance it appears both are using the same code...) FreeBSD/ppc's loader has the same function as ofwboot, and that's where some of the code was derived from. > Also, is there any support for the airport wireless yet? Not yet, although it would be trivial to port NetBSD's if_wi_obio.c. Damn, I might even give it a try this afternoon :-) > When I was reading through support for the platform offered by the other > BSDs, I believe I saw that the modem is attached internally to > the USB bus; any chance that since 5.0 supports USB modems it > is just recognized as one of those? OpenBSD (I think it was) > could see the modem but had no driver for it. On the old iBook, it's connected directly through the macio chip. I'm not too sure about recent models. later, Peter. 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I looked up the support on OpenBSD's site and found that the USB attached modem is only for newer G4 systems (powerbooks). Guess there's no need to look at porting ofwboot if you've already incorporated its functionality! The airport interface would be nice to have. Not that big a deal, though; I was using a crossover cable to my Dell laptop before I got the airport card so I don't have a problem as long as the ethernet card works. I went looking around for info on net booting and cross-compiling last night but didn't have much luck on the latter. I found the following for net booting: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/pxe/ I think I can puzzle out how to set up one for ppc based on this info. I also found this: http://jeamland.net/~benno/powerpc-boot.txt Combined with the extensive OF descriptions on the NetBSD site I should be able to get it to netboot. Question: Does the above link reflect a netboot from /home/spangle with a "complete" install under it? In other words, is there a complete directory tree such as one usually found hanging off / underneath /home/spangle? If so, how is this accomplished? I once did a source upgrade (from 4.5-RELEASE to 4.6-RC #4) but I don't recall an option to install to a nonstandard location... Finally, I wasn't able to find anything helpful for cross-compiling at all. The closest I got was an archived email about problems cross-compiling for apha on a pc but there wasn't much detail. Could someone here point me to a comprehensive guide or give me specific instructions? I figure while I'm trying to get the new drive in and partitioned and working on setup for netbooting I can at least get started trying to compile the code base. Any problems with compiling under 5.0-RELEASE I should be aware of? (Don't really want to upgrade the Dell while I'm trying to get the ppc code runnning with code from CURRENT) I've noticed OF bears a striking resemblance to Sun's OpenBootProm; does this extend to dropping you down to an OF prompt on Apple after executing a halt? Just curious... Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Feb 21 9:22: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236F437B401; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E69AC43F75; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:22:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.21]) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mGs4-0002or-00; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:22:00 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.13] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Fri Feb 21 09:22:00 PST 2003 Message-ID: <1351875.1045848120598.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:21:59 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: grehan@freebsd.org, gallatin@cs.duke.edu Subject: Cross-compiling Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I forgot to ask -- what do I put into my kernel config?? Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Feb 21 9:46:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D03A37B401 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:46:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929CD43FAF for ; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:46:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1LHkm8I012781 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:46:48 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1LHkhB50043; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:46:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15958.26115.71874.247330@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:46:43 -0500 (EST) To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing In-Reply-To: <2477619.1045847794323.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> References: <2477619.1045847794323.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Welch writes: > Finally, I wasn't able to find anything helpful for > cross-compiling at all. The closest I got was an > archived email about problems cross-compiling for apha > on a pc but there wasn't much detail. Could someone > here point me to a comprehensive guide or give me > specific instructions? I figure while I'm trying to Benno and Peter touched on this yesterday: Benno> make -DNO_WERROR -DNO_BIND -DNOSHARED -DNOINFO -DNOGAMES -DNOPROFILE Benno> -DNOSHARE -DNOCRYPT -DNOSECURE -DNOLIBC_R -DNO_IPFILTER -DNO_CXX Benno> -DNOFORTH -DNO_FORTH TARGET_ARCH=powerpc buildworld PeterG> You should take out -DNO_WERROR, -DNO_CXX, and -DNOSHARED. buildworld is clean PeterG> with the above gcc patch, C++ builds fine, and shared libs have been working PeterG> since the rtld checkin. Note there is a problem at runtime with libstdc++, PeterG> hopefully that'll be fixed soon. David O'Brien has commited a few things in the interum which may help you. You'll also want the gcc diffs that Peter Grehan mentioned in his post. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Fri Feb 21 16:59:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 931) id 7438937B401; Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:59:47 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:59:47 -0600 From: Juli Mallett To: freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.org Subject: IBM Networkstation Message-ID: <20030221185947.A18475@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i Organisation: The FreeBSD Project X-Alternate-Addresses: , , , , X-Towel: Yes X-LiveJournal: flata, jmallett X-Negacore: Yes X-Title: Code Maven Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I finally ran across some Linnex diffs: http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/networkstation/patch-2.4.19-ns1000-20021128.tar.gz It should be fairly possible to extract "documentation" from such. I've got one sitting around, still waiting for me to find a way to get it to someone willing to hack at it. I might look into it myself, but if anyone else is interested in supporting these things, toss me a line. Thanx, juli. -- Juli Mallett - AIM: BSDFlata -- IRC: juli on EFnet OpenDarwin, Mono, FreeBSD Developer - ircd-hybrid Developer, EFnet addict FreeBSD on MIPS-Anything on FreeBSD - Never trust an ELF, COFF or Mach-O! 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You can remove yourself from this recurring list by: sending a blank email to: re_moveme@hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 7: 6:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8789D37B401 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:06:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A4B43FAF for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:06:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.221]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mbEe-0007VL-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:06:40 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.202] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Sat Feb 22 07:06:40 PST 2003 Message-ID: <1033337.1045926400920.JavaMail.nobody@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:05:41 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: Andrew Gallatin Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, I gave it a shot. I updated my source at around 00:30 (CST) this morning then overlayed the two files (freebsd.h & sysv4.h) with Peter's "gcc diff" before compiling. I used the command specified by Benno without the three options specified by Peter and the build bombed after compiling quite a bit. Here's the relevant part: cc -O -pipe -Wall -DFREEBSD_ELF -I/usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/powerpc -I/usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf -fpic -DPIC -Wformat=2 -Wno-format-extra-args -Werror -c /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/powerpc/rtld_machdep.h:32, from /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.h:39, from /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf/rtld.c:54: /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/atomic.h: In function `atomic_set_acq_8': /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/atomic.h:270: warning: implicit declaration of function `powerpc_mb' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/libexec/rtld-elf. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/libexec. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Any ideas? This was run under my 5.0-RELEASE installation... Sean -------Original Message------- From: Andrew Gallatin Sent: 02/21/03 11:46 AM To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing > > Sean Welch writes: > Finally, I wasn't able to find anything helpful for > cross-compiling at all. The closest I got was an > archived email about problems cross-compiling for apha > on a pc but there wasn't much detail. Could someone > here point me to a comprehensive guide or give me > specific instructions? I figure while I'm trying to Benno and Peter touched on this yesterday: Benno> make -DNO_WERROR -DNO_BIND -DNOSHARED -DNOINFO -DNOGAMES -DNOPROFILE Benno> -DNOSHARE -DNOCRYPT -DNOSECURE -DNOLIBC_R -DNO_IPFILTER -DNO_CXX Benno> -DNOFORTH -DNO_FORTH TARGET_ARCH=powerpc buildworld PeterG> You should take out -DNO_WERROR, -DNO_CXX, and -DNOSHARED. buildworld is clean PeterG> with the above gcc patch, C++ builds fine, and shared libs have been working PeterG> since the rtld checkin. Note there is a problem at runtime with libstdc++, PeterG> hopefully that'll be fixed soon. David O'Brien has commited a few things in the interum which may help you. You'll also want the gcc diffs that Peter Grehan mentioned in his post. Drew > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 7:14:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3F837B401 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net (harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564C443F85 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:14:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.221]) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mbMG-0000Tc-00 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:14:32 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.16] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Sat Feb 22 07:14:31 PST 2003 Message-ID: <5687687.1045926871996.JavaMail.nobody@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 07:13:08 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: iBook hard drive upgrade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Looks like it's going to take me a while. 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Acesse nossa Home Page para mais detalhes: http://www.redacaodecartas.ihp.com.br Ps: Caso não queira receber novas mensagens e novidades sobre esse assunto, acesse: http://www.remova-me.ihp.com.br To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 15: 1:38 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8DA37B401 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:01:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35AC43F3F for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:01:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1MN1QVU003210; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:01:27 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E5801AC.B366A9E2@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:03:08 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <1033337.1045926400920.JavaMail.nobody@louie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/atomic.h: In function `atomic_set_acq_8': > /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/atomic.h:270: warning: implicit declaration of function `powerpc_mb' ... > Any ideas? This was run under my 5.0-RELEASE installation... Yes, I missed a commit to . I think I was toying with the idea of removing powerpc_mb() from atomic.h, but never got around to it :-( Fixed now. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 16: 2:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CF537B401; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:02:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A147943F75; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.218]) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mjbZ-0003Uf-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:02:53 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.15] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Sat Feb 22 16:02:53 PST 2003 Message-ID: <3372945.1045958573207.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:02:15 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: Peter Grehan Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG That got me past that error, but now I've got another -- any more help you can give? ;-) What I'm seeing is: ===> lib/libpam/libpam cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam -I/usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam/../../../contrib/openpam/include -DLIB_MAJ=2 -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wno-uninitialized -c /usr/src/contrib/openpam/lib/openpam_borrow_cred.c -o openpam_borrow_cred.o cc -O -pipe -I/usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam -I/usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam/../../../contrib/openpam/include -DLIB_MAJ=2 -Werror -Wall -Wno-format-y2k -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Wreturn-type -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -Wswitch -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wno-uninitialized -c /usr/src/contrib/openpam/lib/openpam_configure.c -o openpam_configure.o cc1: warnings being treated as errors In file included from /usr/src/contrib/openpam/lib/openpam_configure.c:41: /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/string.h:65: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/string.h:66: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/string.h:68: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memset' /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/string.h:94: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncat' /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/string.h:95: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncmp' /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/string.h:96: warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncpy' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libpam/libpam. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/lib/libpam. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Got the new hard drive in so if I can get this to build I can try to get the netbooting to work. Sean -------Original Message------- From: Peter Grehan Sent: 02/22/03 05:03 PM To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing > > > /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/atomic.h: In function `atomic_set_acq_8': > /usr/obj/powerpc/usr/src/i386/usr/include/machine/atomic.h:270: warning: implicit declaration of function `powerpc_mb' ... > Any ideas? This was run under my 5.0-RELEASE installation... Yes, I missed a commit to . I think I was toying with the idea of removing powerpc_mb() from atomic.h, but never got around to it :-( Fixed now. later, Peter. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 17:24:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5946E37B401 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from gt3.OntheNet.com.au (nt.com.au [203.13.70.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF3643F93 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (CPE-203-45-238-180.qld.bigpond.net.au [203.45.238.180]) by gt3.OntheNet.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1N1OKVU017240; Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:24:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from grehan@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <3E58232A.9E21715A@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:26:02 +1000 From: Peter Grehan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing References: <3372945.1045958573207.JavaMail.nobody@fozzie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memset' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncat' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncmp' Did you drop down the modified gcc config files at www.freebsd.org/~grehan/gcc_diffs.tgz ? The above warnings are a symptom of not having the updated freebsd.h. later, Peter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 19:59:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEA237B401 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com [24.92.226.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A29643FB1 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from justin@shiningsilence.com) Received: from shiningsilence.com (rrcs-nys-24-169-96-227.biz.rr.com [24.169.96.227]) by ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with SMTP id h1N3xHbF017542 for ; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:59:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user justin) by home.shiningsilence.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:04:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <49226.192.168.0.254.1045973089.squirrel@home.shiningsilence.com> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:04:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: booting process From: "Justin C. Sherrill" To: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.9) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Since there's been some activity about getting a Mac system to boot recently... If someone wants to carefully detail the process they've used in writing, I can submit it, properly formatted, for the PowerPC project page on freebsd.org. I don't currently have the time or equipment to ferret out the process myself, but I can find the time to format and submit the writeup of it. The page is probably due for an update anyway... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ppc Sat Feb 22 22:47:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D656437B401; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C2943FBD; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:47:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from welchsm@earthlink.net) Received: from kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.78.241]) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18mpvK-0000k9-00; Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:47:43 -0800 Received: from [207.217.78.203] by EarthlinkWAM via HTTP; Sat Feb 22 22:47:42 PST 2003 Message-ID: <5394197.1045982862872.JavaMail.nobody@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:26:16 -0600 (GMT) From: Sean Welch Reply-To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org To: Peter Grehan Subject: Re: Re: Also interested in testing Cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Web Access Mail version 3.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Whoops! I forgot to reapply that after the last cvsup... I'll try again tonight. Sean -------Original Message------- From: Peter Grehan Sent: 02/22/03 07:26 PM To: Sean_Welch@alum.wofford.org Subject: Re: Also interested in testing > > >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcmp' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memcpy' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `memset' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncat' >warning: conflicting types for built-in function `strncmp' Did you drop down the modified gcc config files at www.freebsd.org/~grehan/gcc_diffs.tgz ? The above warnings are a symptom of not having the updated freebsd.h. later, Peter. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ppc" in the body of the message