From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 08:07:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E63B37B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.liwing.de (mail.liwing.de [213.70.188.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C59E43F75 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:07:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rehsack@liwing.de) Received: (qmail 98280 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 15:07:47 -0000 Received: from stingray.liwing.de (HELO liwing.de) ([213.70.188.164]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.liwing.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 May 2003 15:07:47 -0000 Message-ID: <3EBFB8C3.7080302@liwing.de> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:07:47 +0200 From: Jens Rehsack Organization: LiWing IT-Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact - Build 2) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: creating ppc-bootimage X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:07:50 -0000 Hi all, sorry for asking this, but I didn't found anything in tha handbook or in google how to create an cd-image (or sth. other usable) to setup my ppc machine with the freebsd ppc-port. I just re-activated an old p-Series workstation (43P-133) and want to install a freebsd on it to help the porters. Is their anywhere a snapshot or some instructions how to create sth. what I can use? thanks in advance, Jens From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 08:17:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C26F37B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jeamland.net (arlond.jeamland.net [202.45.126.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D29043F3F for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:17:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benno@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.2.3.4] (ratchet.jeamland.net [150.101.215.21]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EAE299A5; Tue, 13 May 2003 01:17:20 +1000 (EST) From: Benno Rice To: Jens Rehsack In-Reply-To: <3EBFB8C3.7080302@liwing.de> References: <3EBFB8C3.7080302@liwing.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-InTj3ZA/IL56JfOChQzc" Organization: Message-Id: <1052752640.648.25.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 13 May 2003 01:17:20 +1000 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: creating ppc-bootimage X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:17:26 -0000 --=-InTj3ZA/IL56JfOChQzc Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 01:07, Jens Rehsack wrote: > Hi all, >=20 > sorry for asking this, but I didn't found anything in tha handbook or in > google how to create an cd-image (or sth. other usable) to setup my ppc > machine with the freebsd ppc-port. >=20 > I just re-activated an old p-Series workstation (43P-133) and want to > install a freebsd on it to help the porters. Is their anywhere a > snapshot or some instructions how to create sth. what I can use? Given the Mac-centric nature of the port at the moment I'm not sure how well it'd go booting on an IBM system. I'd offer to look into making it work if you could provide a serial console and a system to netboot it from but I'm having enough trouble making time to work on the port in general at the moment. If you're willing to get your hands dirty I'd be happy to try to help you as much as I can to get it running yourself... --=20 Benno Rice benno@FreeBSD.org --=-InTj3ZA/IL56JfOChQzc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+v7sAXjRwWofFmQkRAkX1AJ95ZweK9FnzXP3ankJvr5mmCiyX3gCePe7o ZDELNN5hL+3HgWje1n1+huo= =+0wY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-InTj3ZA/IL56JfOChQzc-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 08:45:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520C137B405 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.liwing.de (mail.liwing.de [213.70.188.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695DF43FBF for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rehsack@liwing.de) Received: (qmail 7356 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 15:45:09 -0000 Received: from stingray.liwing.de (HELO liwing.de) ([213.70.188.164]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.liwing.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 May 2003 15:45:09 -0000 Message-ID: <3EBFC185.3030804@liwing.de> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:45:09 +0200 From: Jens Rehsack Organization: LiWing IT-Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact - Build 2) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benno Rice References: <3EBFB8C3.7080302@liwing.de> <1052752640.648.25.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: creating ppc-bootimage X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:45:13 -0000 On 5/12/2003 5:17 PM, Benno Rice wrote: > On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 01:07, Jens Rehsack wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> sorry for asking this, but I didn't found anything in tha handbook or in >> google how to create an cd-image (or sth. other usable) to setup my ppc >> machine with the freebsd ppc-port. >> >> I just re-activated an old p-Series workstation (43P-133) and want to >> install a freebsd on it to help the porters. Is their anywhere a >> snapshot or some instructions how to create sth. what I can use? > > Given the Mac-centric nature of the port at the moment I'm not sure how > well it'd go booting on an IBM system. I'd offer to look into making it > work if you could provide a serial console and a system to netboot it > from but I'm having enough trouble making time to work on the port in > general at the moment. > > If you're willing to get your hands dirty I'd be happy to try to help > you as much as I can to get it running yourself... That was the general intention of starting this :-) Of course I'm willing to do anything what's required. I don't own a serial cable, but I'm sure I will get a one. A terminal emulation should be available under freebsd, shouldn't it? If not, I have an old HP serial terminal (40x25), this should be fine, too. Jens From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 02:33:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E38837B401; Thu, 15 May 2003 02:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDAE443FA3; Thu, 15 May 2003 02:33:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 0AB00530E; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:33:22 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: peter@freebsd.org, ppc@freebsd.org From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:33:21 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:33:25 -0000 The freebsd-ppc list is now the only platform-specific list which is named differently from the platform it is for. Shouldn't it be renamed like freebsd-sparc was? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 03:38:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1CA437B401; Thu, 15 May 2003 03:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jeamland.net (arlond.jeamland.net [202.45.126.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D92B43F3F; Thu, 15 May 2003 03:38:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benno@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.2.3.4] (ratchet.jeamland.net [150.101.215.21]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBC9429D70; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:38:37 +1000 (EST) From: Benno Rice To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Ytdn7asYjClGSzYKMsOY" Organization: Message-Id: <1052995116.649.37.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 15 May 2003 20:38:36 +1000 cc: ppc@freebsd.org cc: peter@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:38:43 -0000 --=-Ytdn7asYjClGSzYKMsOY Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:33, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > The freebsd-ppc list is now the only platform-specific list which is > named differently from the platform it is for. Shouldn't it be > renamed like freebsd-sparc was? I'd like this. ppc is the parallel port driver. =3D) --=20 Benno Rice benno@FreeBSD.org --=-Ytdn7asYjClGSzYKMsOY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+w24sXjRwWofFmQkRAjJpAJkBi27xkQA60liv9uoP9usD/MJaZgCeNcRX uT9qkhylppgUacmS1vbNQHU= =SpL7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Ytdn7asYjClGSzYKMsOY-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 04:01:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D93237B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525B843F3F for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:01:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anselmg@t-online.de) Received: from fwd07.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19GGUg-00052M-0B; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:01:50 +0200 Received: from wotan.garbe (320068295437-0001@[217.230.0.116]) by fwd07.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19GGUU-1pRm08C; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:01:38 +0200 Received: from wotan.garbe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wotan.garbe (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4FCrUeY002214 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:53:30 GMT (envelope-from garbeam@wotan.garbe) Received: (from garbeam@localhost) by wotan.garbe (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4FCrUvM002213 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:53:30 GMT Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:53:30 +0000 From: anselmg@t-online.de (Anselm Garbe) To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030515125330.GA2189@wotan.garbe> References: <1052995116.649.37.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <1052995116.649.37.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Sender: 320068295437-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:01:53 -0000 On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:38:36PM +1000, Benno Rice wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:33, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > The freebsd-ppc list is now the only platform-specific list which is > > named differently from the platform it is for. Shouldn't it be > > renamed like freebsd-sparc was? >=20 > I'd like this. ppc is the parallel port driver. =3D) Doesn't ppc stand for PowerPC? I thought this list is for the specific PowerPC platform, isn't it? Or do you mean to rename it to freebsd-macppc? Regards, Anselm From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 04:15:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 432AB37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com (mailout08.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8690143FA3 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:15:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anselmg@t-online.de) Received: from fwd06.sul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19GGiB-0004P2-03; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:15:47 +0200 Received: from wotan.garbe (320068295437-0001@[217.230.0.116]) by fwd06.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19GGi2-1kiuumC; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:15:38 +0200 Received: from wotan.garbe (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wotan.garbe (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4FD7VeY002274 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:07:31 GMT (envelope-from garbeam@wotan.garbe) Received: (from garbeam@localhost) by wotan.garbe (8.12.8p1/8.12.8/Submit) id h4FD7V4n002273 for freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:07:31 GMT Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:07:31 +0000 From: anselmg@t-online.de (Anselm Garbe) To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20030515130731.GA2229@wotan.garbe> References: <1052995116.649.37.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> <20030515125330.GA2189@wotan.garbe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <20030515125330.GA2189@wotan.garbe> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Sender: 320068295437-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:15:49 -0000 On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:53:30PM +0000, Anselm Garbe wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:38:36PM +1000, Benno Rice wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:33, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > The freebsd-ppc list is now the only platform-specific list which is > > > named differently from the platform it is for. Shouldn't it be > > > renamed like freebsd-sparc was? > >=20 > > I'd like this. ppc is the parallel port driver. =3D) >=20 > Doesn't ppc stand for PowerPC? I thought this list is for the specific > PowerPC platform, isn't it? Or do you mean to rename it to freebsd-macppc? Sorry, I didn't read the subject exactly :) I agree with renaming it to -powerpc! Regards, Anselm From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 04:59:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8410F37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (A17-250-248-88.apple.com [17.250.248.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C60343F3F for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:59:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin07-en2 [10.13.10.152]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h4FBxgiN028227 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com (adsl-33-225-161.jan.bellsouth.net [67.33.225.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h4FBuX2N025468; Thu, 15 May 2003 04:56:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 06:56:33 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: anselmg@t-online.de (Anselm Garbe) From: David Leimbach In-Reply-To: <20030515130731.GA2229@wotan.garbe> Message-Id: <45D0C30C-86CC-11D7-8F56-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:59:43 -0000 Well is the goal to support "all" PowerPC or just Macintosh? There are a ton of VME PowerPC boards out there and some RS/6000s that might be able to run FreeBSD as well. What is the goal of people on this list? If its just mac-powerpc perhaps that is the way to go? Of course if Apple actually releases a Mac based on PPC-970 [64 bit PPC CPU] then we might get more confusion with Mac-PowerPC. :) Technically I think PPC is fine, powerpc is better but it may not really be more specific :). Dave On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 08:07 AM, Anselm Garbe wrote: > On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 12:53:30PM +0000, Anselm Garbe wrote: >> On Thu, May 15, 2003 at 08:38:36PM +1000, Benno Rice wrote: >>> On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:33, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >>>> The freebsd-ppc list is now the only platform-specific list which is >>>> named differently from the platform it is for. Shouldn't it be >>>> renamed like freebsd-sparc was? >>> >>> I'd like this. ppc is the parallel port driver. =) >> >> Doesn't ppc stand for PowerPC? I thought this list is for the specific >> PowerPC platform, isn't it? Or do you mean to rename it to >> freebsd-macppc? > > Sorry, I didn't read the subject exactly :) > > I agree with renaming it to -powerpc! > > Regards, > Anselm > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ppc > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ppc-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 06:49:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7476637B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 06:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.jeamland.net (arlond.jeamland.net [202.45.126.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97DCD43F3F for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from benno@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [10.2.3.4] (ratchet.jeamland.net [150.101.215.21]) by mail.jeamland.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448C729D70; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:49:47 +1000 (EST) From: Benno Rice To: David Leimbach In-Reply-To: <45D0C30C-86CC-11D7-8F56-0003937E39E0@mac.com> References: <45D0C30C-86CC-11D7-8F56-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-aon61/Bd39m7mcJKSs3g" Organization: Message-Id: <1053006586.649.42.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 15 May 2003 23:49:46 +1000 cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:49:51 -0000 --=-aon61/Bd39m7mcJKSs3g Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 21:56, David Leimbach wrote: > Well is the goal to support "all" PowerPC or just Macintosh? The goal is to be as generic as we can be. > There are a ton of VME PowerPC boards out there and some > RS/6000s that might be able to run FreeBSD as well. Yep. The issue is getting someone with the time to do the work who has access to that hardware. > What is the goal of people on this list? If its just mac-powerpc > perhaps that is the way to go? Of course if Apple actually releases > a Mac based on PPC-970 [64 bit PPC CPU] then we might get more confusion > with Mac-PowerPC. :) >=20 > Technically I think PPC is fine, powerpc is better but it may not > really be more specific :). And PPC is more specific? PowerPC is the name of the specification that all of these processors follow, whether it's the 32-bit or 64-bit OEA specifications or the weird variants like the IBM 4xx's they're all called PowerPC. Since we have a driver in the system called ppc which handles PC parallel port stuff, I've always made a concious effort to refer to the platform as powerpc rather than ppc. It's also the name of the directory in which the arch-specific code resides. The idea of the codebase is to support as many PowerPC platforms as we can, so I think that's the right name for it. --=20 Benno Rice benno@FreeBSD.org --=-aon61/Bd39m7mcJKSs3g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQA+w5r6XjRwWofFmQkRAquEAJ90ELG6Zxj50h/PDZHFD641zsIcSACfcFIb gHb2HFrBDxL/h07My7h1j9M= =4rYs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aon61/Bd39m7mcJKSs3g-- From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 09:01:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938A737B404; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate3.mot.com (motgate3.mot.com [144.189.100.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 313CE43FA3; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:01:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ajs@labs.mot.com) Received: from il06exr01.mot.com (il06exr01.mot.com [129.188.137.131]) by motgate3.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate3) with ESMTP id h4FG113c016599; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:01:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from labs.mot.com (kilgore.nsr.labs.mot.com [173.23.93.76]) h4FG11ac024208; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:01:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3EC3B9BD.1020001@labs.mot.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:01:01 -0500 From: "Aron J. Silverton" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benno Rice References: <45D0C30C-86CC-11D7-8F56-0003937E39E0@mac.com> <1053006586.649.42.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> In-Reply-To: <1053006586.649.42.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:01:03 -0000 Benno Rice wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 21:56, David Leimbach wrote: > >>Well is the goal to support "all" PowerPC or just Macintosh? > > > The goal is to be as generic as we can be. > > >>There are a ton of VME PowerPC boards out there and some >>RS/6000s that might be able to run FreeBSD as well. > > > Yep. The issue is getting someone with the time to do the work who has > access to that hardware. > > >>What is the goal of people on this list? If its just mac-powerpc >>perhaps that is the way to go? Of course if Apple actually releases >>a Mac based on PPC-970 [64 bit PPC CPU] then we might get more confusion >>with Mac-PowerPC. :) >> >>Technically I think PPC is fine, powerpc is better but it may not >>really be more specific :). > > > And PPC is more specific? PowerPC is the name of the specification that > all of these processors follow, whether it's the 32-bit or 64-bit OEA > specifications or the weird variants like the IBM 4xx's they're all > called PowerPC. Since we have a driver in the system called ppc which > handles PC parallel port stuff, I've always made a concious effort to > refer to the platform as powerpc rather than ppc. It's also the name of > the directory in which the arch-specific code resides. > > The idea of the codebase is to support as many PowerPC platforms as we > can, so I think that's the right name for it. > Looking at two recent internal invoices on my desk, I see that we refer to the chips as both PPC and PowerPC. I agree with Benno and DES, however, with regards to changing the name of the list. For my part, I'll probably continue to type PPC in conversation, though. ;-) I like the idea of keeping it as -powerpc as opposed to differentiating between, for example, CompactPCI, MVME, Motorola, IBM, Apple, Artesyn, or other distint PowerPC-based boards. Isn't that what NetBSD does? It's probably not necessary here. I'd rather just list the supported boards and architectures as a subset of FreeBSD-PowerPC. Of course I have yet to contribute to the effort, so feel free to ignore me. I do hope to contribute real soon now. Aron -- Aron J. Silverton Senior Staff Research Engineer Motorola Laboratories, Networks and Infrastructure Research Motorola, Inc. From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 09:59:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DF9F37B404 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.liwing.de (mail.liwing.de [213.70.188.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A491943F3F for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 09:59:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rehsack@liwing.de) Received: (qmail 73717 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 16:59:23 -0000 Received: from stingray.liwing.de (HELO liwing.de) ([213.70.188.164]) (envelope-sender ) by mail.liwing.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 May 2003 16:59:23 -0000 Message-ID: <3EC3C76B.4010808@liwing.de> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:59:23 +0200 From: Jens Rehsack Organization: LiWing IT-Services User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 (Compact - Build 2) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benno Rice References: <45D0C30C-86CC-11D7-8F56-0003937E39E0@mac.com> <1053006586.649.42.camel@ratchet.jeamland.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:59:29 -0000 On 5/15/2003 3:49 PM, Benno Rice wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 21:56, David Leimbach wrote: >> Well is the goal to support "all" PowerPC or just Macintosh? > > The goal is to be as generic as we can be. > >> There are a ton of VME PowerPC boards out there and some >> RS/6000s that might be able to run FreeBSD as well. > > Yep. The issue is getting someone with the time to do the work who has > access to that hardware. I have 2 IBM RS/6000 (pSeries) with 603e and 604 PowerPC processor and as I wrote I would be glad to help. I will not completely remove aix, because I need it for testing, but I'd love to see my favourite os running on those ibm machines :-) >> What is the goal of people on this list? If its just mac-powerpc >> perhaps that is the way to go? Of course if Apple actually releases >> a Mac based on PPC-970 [64 bit PPC CPU] then we might get more confusion >> with Mac-PowerPC. :) >> >> Technically I think PPC is fine, powerpc is better but it may not >> really be more specific :). > > And PPC is more specific? PowerPC is the name of the specification that > all of these processors follow, whether it's the 32-bit or 64-bit OEA > specifications or the weird variants like the IBM 4xx's they're all > called PowerPC. Since we have a driver in the system called ppc which > handles PC parallel port stuff, I've always made a concious effort to > refer to the platform as powerpc rather than ppc. It's also the name of > the directory in which the arch-specific code resides. > > The idea of the codebase is to support as many PowerPC platforms as we > can, so I think that's the right name for it. I know from Linux4PPC that the same boot cd which boots power macs boots my machines, too. So it should be possible to be generic :-) Cheers, Jens From owner-freebsd-ppc@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 15:52:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05E537B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B3B43FAF for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leimy2k@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h4FMqOPa019622 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac.com (adsl-33-225-161.jan.bellsouth.net [67.33.225.161]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h4FMoCFO010871; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:50:10 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) To: "Aron J. Silverton" From: David Leimbach In-Reply-To: <3EC3B9BD.1020001@labs.mot.com> Message-Id: <954E6326-8727-11D7-8DDE-0003937E39E0@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) cc: Benno Rice cc: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rename to freebsd-powerpc? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ppc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the PowerPC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:52:29 -0000 I think we are bike-shedding :). I am guilty as well. Dave On Thursday, May 15, 2003, at 11:01 AM, Aron J. Silverton wrote: > Benno Rice wrote: >> On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 21:56, David Leimbach wrote: >>> Well is the goal to support "all" PowerPC or just Macintosh? >> The goal is to be as generic as we can be. >>> There are a ton of VME PowerPC boards out there and some >>> RS/6000s that might be able to run FreeBSD as well. >> Yep. The issue is getting someone with the time to do the work who >> has >> access to that hardware. >>> What is the goal of people on this list? If its just mac-powerpc >>> perhaps that is the way to go? Of course if Apple actually releases >>> a Mac based on PPC-970 [64 bit PPC CPU] then we might get more >>> confusion >>> with Mac-PowerPC. :) >>> >>> Technically I think PPC is fine, powerpc is better but it may not >>> really be more specific :). >> And PPC is more specific? PowerPC is the name of the specification >> that >> all of these processors follow, whether it's the 32-bit or 64-bit OEA >> specifications or the weird variants like the IBM 4xx's they're all >> called PowerPC. Since we have a driver in the system called ppc which >> handles PC parallel port stuff, I've always made a concious effort to >> refer to the platform as powerpc rather than ppc. It's also the name >> of >> the directory in which the arch-specific code resides. >> The idea of the codebase is to support as many PowerPC platforms as we >> can, so I think that's the right name for it. > > Looking at two recent internal invoices on my desk, I see that we > refer to the chips as both PPC and PowerPC. I agree with Benno and > DES, however, with regards to changing the name of the list. For my > part, I'll probably continue to type PPC in conversation, though. ;-) > > I like the idea of keeping it as -powerpc as opposed to > differentiating between, for example, CompactPCI, MVME, Motorola, IBM, > Apple, Artesyn, or other distint PowerPC-based boards. Isn't that > what NetBSD does? It's probably not necessary here. I'd rather just > list the supported boards and architectures as a subset of > FreeBSD-PowerPC. > > Of course I have yet to contribute to the effort, so feel free to > ignore me. I do hope to contribute real soon now. > > Aron > > -- > Aron J. Silverton > Senior Staff Research Engineer > Motorola Laboratories, Networks and Infrastructure Research > Motorola, Inc. >