From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 28 11:02:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD9816A4CE for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF0B43D1F for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:02:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (peter@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i5SB297F003822 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:02:09 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i5SB28CR003816 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:02:08 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:02:08 GMT Message-Id: <200406281102.i5SB28CR003816@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Subject: Current problem reports assigned to you X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:02:31 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports Critical problems Serious problems Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 05:17:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D7416A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:17:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.mailix.net (smtp.mailix.net [216.148.213.132]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CA743D54 for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:17:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bodkins@remote-hosting.com) Received: from [68.63.188.4] (helo=BODKINS) by smtp.mailix.net with asmtp (Exim 4.24-H) id 1BfXT6-0006aU-9m for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:17:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c45e61$5d92d8c0$6601a8c0@BODKINS> From: "Jim Bodkins" To: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:16:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bodkins@remote-hosting.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on southcarolina.backend X-Spam-Report: * 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS * [68.63.188.4 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] * 2.5 RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK RBL: Sent directly from dynamic IP address * [68.63.188.4 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.6 required=10.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DYNABLOCK, RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Level: ** X-SA-Exim-Version: 3.1 (built Thu Oct 23 13:26:47 PDT 2003) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes X-uvscan-result: clean (1BfXT6-0006aU-9m) Subject: Just a comment X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 05:17:29 -0000 Hi, I adore FBSD. But the level of noncomital information regarding new versions has always annoyed me. I have always wanted to use new versions. I have always been scared to death by the 'if you are serous - you may not want to use this' attitude. The result - you (FBSD) have a clean nose and I feel as if I am and have been behind for some time. Just a comment, not a complaint. You need to find a means to offer new versions that will at least work sooner. I have steadfastly stayed away from 5 for the longest time. It looks like I still need to. (You are still scaring people away with the - ... but maybe you better not use this ... approach :) ). I understand that you are ultra-con's. It just doesnt look like I will be using 5.anything anytime soon. :) I really do adore FBSD. But you guys scare me. (I have used FBSD pre-5 in many many systems - back to early 3 actually as I recall). Rant off. Thanks for all the great work. Honest. I'll check back sometime in 05. :) Thanks Jim From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 07:35:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9945216A4CE for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:35:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk [194.242.157.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D34F43D2F for ; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:35:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: from storm.FreeBSD.org.uk (Ugrondar@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i5U7YAeU098429; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:34:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) Received: (from Ugrondar@localhost)i5U7Y9sZ098426; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:34:09 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: storm.FreeBSD.org.uk: Ugrondar set sender to mark@grondar.org using -f Received: from grondar.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])i5U7MMsQ082829; Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:22:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@grondar.org) From: Mark Murray Message-Id: <200406300722.i5U7MMsQ082829@grimreaper.grondar.org> To: "Jim Bodkins" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:16:14 PDT." <001001c45e61$5d92d8c0$6601a8c0@BODKINS> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:22:22 +0100 Sender: mark@grondar.org X-Scanned-By: milter-sender/0.55.730 (storm.FreeBSD.org.uk []); Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:34:10 +0100 cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Just a comment X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 07:35:01 -0000 "Jim Bodkins" writes: > Just a comment, not a complaint. You need to find a means to offer new > versions that will at least work sooner. I have steadfastly stayed away from > 5 for the longest time. It looks like I still need to. (You are still > scaring people away with the - ... but maybe you better not use this ... > approach :) ). I understand that you are ultra-con's. It just doesnt look > like I will be using 5.anything anytime soon. :) This is called "covering your ass" :-). We'd rather have folks cautious than unwisely using the development track "because its cool". HOWEVER, trying the development track _is_ cool. Try it on a crash box sometime and make your own decisions. Things are different, and the pace of change is fast, but I like it that way. M -- Mark Murray iumop ap!sdn w,I idlaH