From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 20:27:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D907416A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F75E43D3F for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:27:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id CBCDF48F3E; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:27:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B5152D17 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:27:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:27:10 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:27:16 -0000 hi, hopefully things have quietened down a bit after the 5.2 release. ken has been doing a bunch of work to bring the mirroring side of things uptodate and i'm just wondering what the current status of things is on the following issues: o number of architectures being supported/released - is this likely to increase ? is there a definitive list now of which sites are carrying ALL architectures and which aren't in the official mirrors ? o size of the freebsd archive - release and ISO images have been growing but the real killer has been the multi architecture packages trees. are there any plans to try and reduce this overall ? e.g not spin a packages tree of this size out for every architecture ? o coordination of 'master' sync sites and 'tier1' mirrors - it's great that there is now a US and a Europe 'master' sync site. is there a requirement to add any more ? is again time for some cleanup on who is mirroring freebsd, how completely and how often ? as 5.X release progresses i'm assuming by about 5.3/5.4 a *lot* of 4.X people will be upgrading.. on a personal note, is there enough interest in doing some work on the freebsd-archive project ? at the very least historically it'd be great to make all FreeBSD RELEASE trees available online from 1.0 onwards (does anyone still have pre 1.0 trees around somewhere?) even if holding all the package trees is.. difficult. does anyone have original ISO images from walnut creek around also ? regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 21:00:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713AE16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:00:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1211943D1D for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:00:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0K50NTr004241; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0K50MKt004240; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:00:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:00:22 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040120050022.GA3441@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:00:27 -0000 On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:27:10PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: I'll take a crack at answering some of this, but someone(s) might need to correct some of this. > o number of architectures being supported/released - is this likely to > increase ? is there a definitive list now of which sites are carrying > ALL architectures and which aren't in the official mirrors ? I'm seeing some active development work being done on MIPS but it's just barely getting rolling. I'd be a little surprised if it becomes something for the mirror system to be concerned with for a while. I'm sure I am not in all of the Developer circles yet though so there might be development activity I'm not seeing. > o size of the freebsd archive - release and ISO images have been growing > but the real killer has been the multi architecture packages trees. > > are there any plans to try and reduce this overall ? e.g not spin a > packages tree of this size out for every architecture ? None that I'm aware of but Kris might have something to say about it. We do have plans to increase the size of the partition the FTP site sits in on ftp-master. Generally speaking the target is two versions of the 4.X series and two versions of the 5.X series on ftp-master, plus the -current package sets. Yes, I agree that's a lot and getting bigger. Tutorial on how to use cvsup/rsync to sync less than the entire site in the hubs article is way overdue, I'll try to get back to that soon. > o coordination of 'master' sync sites and 'tier1' mirrors - it's great > that there is now a US and a Europe 'master' sync site. is there a > requirement to add any more ? is again time for some cleanup on > who is mirroring freebsd, how completely and how often ? You forgot the Japan master. :-) If you folks are not seeing issues with where you currently sync from we should be OK in that regard at least for now. But if you're seeing some strain on the masters from your perspective maybe it's time for another. ftp-master.us doesn't seem to be under any stress that I can see from watching over it. I've polled the sites I know about periodically just to make sure that something FreeBSD-ish is there and it seems like syncs have happened recently but I haven't tried to collect a complete list of exactly what each site has yet. > as 5.X release progresses i'm assuming by about 5.3/5.4 a *lot* of 4.X > people will be upgrading.. This leads to a good question I don't know the answer to. At what point would scaling back to just one version of the 4.X branch be OK? > on a personal note, is there enough interest in doing some work on > the freebsd-archive project ? at the very least historically it'd > be great to make all FreeBSD RELEASE trees available online from 1.0 > onwards (does anyone still have pre 1.0 trees around somewhere?) even > if holding all the package trees is.. difficult. does anyone have > original ISO images from walnut creek around also ? I remain interested in that as well. Everything I've managed to collect so far is available via rsync from ftp-master.us and does appear on the public FTP site I run here (ftp.cse.buffalo.edu). It does get hit on occasion so someone(s) know it exists, though I haven't tried to publicize it much yet. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 19 22:41:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD2116A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:41:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7291C43D39 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:41:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id E8CF948F3E; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:41:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E140252D17; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:41:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:41:16 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Ken Smith In-Reply-To: <20040120050022.GA3441@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Message-ID: References: <20040120050022.GA3441@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:41:26 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Ken Smith wrote: > I'm seeing some active development work being done on MIPS but it's > just barely getting rolling. I'd be a little surprised if it becomes hmm, so we have i386, ia64, amd64, sparc64, pc98 and alpha. is it possible to do some work to figure out who is actually carrying all of that ? i've started bringing ftp.au back in sync after a recent storage upgrade and i think it's going to take me several weeks to catch up, not to mention quadruple the disk space the freebsd mirror uses. > None that I'm aware of but Kris might have something to say about it. > We do have plans to increase the size of the partition the FTP site > sits in on ftp-master. hmm, it'd be really useful to get a current size snapshot of the various parts of the archive and a 12 month target. > sets. Yes, I agree that's a lot and getting bigger. Tutorial on how > to use cvsup/rsync to sync less than the entire site in the hubs article > is way overdue, I'll try to get back to that soon. this would be great - in particular if we can document the sites that are carrying one or more archives and the ones that will only carry i386 in future. > You forgot the Japan master. :-) If you folks are not seeing issues oops, sorry. 3 masters seems more than enough at present, netwise and geographically. > with where you currently sync from we should be OK in that regard at > least for now. But if you're seeing some strain on the masters from > your perspective maybe it's time for another. ftp-master.us doesn't > seem to be under any stress that I can see from watching over it. good to hear - to try to get our site back in sync i'm syncing from all of the masters simultaneously.. i do notice that ftp-master.us does occasionally seem to refuse rsync connections (i.e, is full). > I've polled the sites I know about periodically just to make sure that > something FreeBSD-ish is there and it seems like syncs have happened > recently but I haven't tried to collect a complete list of exactly > what each site has yet. i'm happy to try to help here but i think the work was already previously done (by someone in AU IIRC?) who has something that looked up dns and polled sites.. maybe that could be used ? also Hank Penning (sp?) wrote some stuff for mirror monitoring that the apache people are now using and i'm wondering if we could look at starting to use that for FreeBSD mirrors too - where would be a good place to install it ? > This leads to a good question I don't know the answer to. At what point > would scaling back to just one version of the 4.X branch be OK? and how many more releases after 4.9 are going to happen ? :-) > I remain interested in that as well. Everything I've managed to > collect so far is available via rsync from ftp-master.us and does > appear on the public FTP site I run here (ftp.cse.buffalo.edu). > It does get hit on occasion so someone(s) know it exists, though > I haven't tried to publicize it much yet. i'll have a look there and start syncing bits i'm missing.. there wasn't much feedback/followup from the 5.2 release from mirrors (or did i miss it?) so possibly it'd be nice for the next release to have a system of getting some rough stats back - the other mirror lists usually have a plethora of 'X million people downloaded Y petabytes of foobar 1.X". regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 01:08:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C334C16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:08:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [195.143.231.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC3743D46 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:08:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (qvcpah@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0K98Wb0025524; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:08:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i0K98VQZ025523; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:08:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) From: Oliver Fromme Message-Id: <200401200908.i0K98VQZ025523@lurza.secnetix.de> To: jason@rtfmconsult.com (jason andrade) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:08:31 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: from "jason andrade" at Jan 20, 2004 04:41:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: Ken Smith cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:08:44 -0000 Moin! jason andrade wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Ken Smith wrote: > > > I'm seeing some active development work being done on MIPS but it's > > just barely getting rolling. I'd be a little surprised if it becomes > > hmm, so we have i386, ia64, amd64, sparc64, pc98 and alpha. is it possible > to do some work to figure out who is actually carrying all of that ? I still run my FTP survey at this URL (updated daily): http://www.secnetix.de/~olli/fbsd-ftp/ The webserver only has a 144 kbps uplink, so the pages are somewhat slow at times. If someone is willing to give me (upload and/or shell) access on a better connected apache webserver, I could install the script suite there. > started bringing ftp.au back in sync after a recent storage upgrade and i > think it's going to take me several weeks to catch up, not to mention > quadruple the disk space the freebsd mirror uses. I'm in charge for /pub/FreeBSD on ftp7.de.freebsd.org, and this is what "df -k" has to say about it: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/xxxxxx 159706640 159509016 197624 100% /xxxxxx It's unlikely that more diskspace will be available in the forseeable future. Not good. :-( > hmm, it'd be really useful to get a current size snapshot of the various > parts of the archive Oh, that's easy, there's a file: /pub/FreeBSD/dir.sizes > and a 12 month target. That's a tough one, I guess. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co KG, Oettingenstr. 2, 80538 München Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. Perl is worse than Python because people wanted it worse. -- Larry Wall From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 06:28:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1116516A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:28:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 658E143D67 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:28:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0KESNTr014383; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0KESNVq014382; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:28:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:28:23 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040120142822.GE12827@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040120050022.GA3441@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: Ken Smith cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:28:28 -0000 On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 04:41:16PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > good to hear - to try to get our site back in sync i'm syncing from > all of the masters simultaneously.. i do notice that ftp-master.us > does occasionally seem to refuse rsync connections (i.e, is full). When ftp-master.us does get full it's just because I forgot to check it for a couple of days. We have one rsync site that gets wedged every once in a while, and winds up with multiple connects all "active" at once. -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 06:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC2016A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:40:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4206A43D67 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 06:40:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mij@bitchx.it) Received: from [1.11.158.106] (1.11.158.106) by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (6.7.019) id 3FE794EB003496D0 for hubs@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:40:18 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: hubs@freebsd.org From: Mij Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:40:21 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: mx vs ns X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:40:22 -0000 $ dig ns @tld1.ultradns.net freebsd.org ;; ANSWER SECTION: FREEBSD.ORG. 172800 IN NS NS2.DOWNLOADTECH.COM. FREEBSD.ORG. 172800 IN NS NS1.IAFRICA.COM. FREEBSD.ORG. 172800 IN NS NS1.DOWNLOADTECH.COM. FREEBSD.ORG. 172800 IN NS NS0.FREEBSD.ORG. $ dig mx @ns0.freebsd.org freebsd.org ;; ANSWER SECTION: freebsd.org. 600 IN MX 10 mx1.freebsd.org. [ not rr ] is it prudent to have 4 ns and just 1 mail exchanger? bye From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 07:31:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A416A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:31:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from aker.isnic.is (aker.isnic.is [193.4.58.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A0943D88 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:31:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oli@aker.isnic.is) Received: by aker.isnic.is (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D91D8CC74; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:31:17 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:31:17 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: Mij Message-ID: <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> References: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mx vs ns X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:31:53 -0000 Mij, On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mij wrote: > is it prudent to have 4 ns and just 1 mail exchanger? I see nothing wrong with this setup as when a MX is down the mail gets queued at the sender server untill the MX is reachable again but NS requests don't queue up and people get impatient so multiple NS records are needed but not multiple MX. Also, multiple MX servers makes more work for the postmaster in regard to filters and such in addition to be not needed. /Oli --=20 Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet a Islandi hf. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 10:37:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FA716A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:37:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D4F43D5F for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:37:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mij@bitchx.it) Received: from [1.11.158.106] (1.11.158.106) by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (6.7.019) id 3FE794EB0035771E; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:37:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> References: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mij Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:37:52 +0100 To: Olafur Osvaldsson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mx vs ns X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:37:54 -0000 On 20/gen/04, h 16:31, Olafur Osvaldsson wrote: > I see nothing wrong with this setup as when a MX is down the > mail gets queued at the sender server untill the MX is reachable > again but NS requests don't queue up and people get impatient > so multiple NS records are needed but not multiple MX. Technically, this is not completely wrong. Anyway, this way you rely on sender's service for solving possible problems on your side. This is not good. The maximum age for a message in the queue, the tryouts and retry intervals are not specified in any RFC. Anyone can push the queue maximum size lower, or shorten the max life of message in it. It's also possible me to run a mta without a "hard" queue, just suddendly reporting an error to the sender on failures, although rare. This way you let your mail completely up to the sender's server strategy. > Also, multiple MX servers makes more work for the postmaster > in regard to filters and such in addition to be not needed. Yes, of course more complexity implies more work. A backup mx does not require very much work anyway. You just have to choose a backup server and set it not to "reject" mail for those domain. This way it will queue messages for the master, and then try itself to deliver them, making the sender's mx believe everything went fine. So your mail is kept by a trusted server, the one you've chosen, and you're safe because you do know how it will handle its delivering. On a qmail server, for example, this would require seconds to be set up, and probably no maintainance at all. mx1.freebsd.org may have proven its stability over the years, and this could suffice you to say "no thanks, the current solution is enough for me". Since a backup mx doesn't require the load of work of a dns server (the are no syncs nor stuff like that) probably the compromise would pend to this latter solution instead of leaving things like they are now. bye From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 11:07:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1702E16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:07:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from shellma.zin.lublin.pl (shellma.zin.lublin.pl [212.182.126.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5F2143D4C for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pawmal-posting@freebsd.lublin.pl) Received: by shellma.zin.lublin.pl (Postfix, from userid 1018) id 8B45C5F103; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:07:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:07:39 +0100 From: Pawel Malachowski To: Mij Message-ID: <20040120190739.GA62180@shellma.zin.lublin.pl> References: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mx vs ns X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:07:58 -0000 On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 07:37:52PM +0100, Mij wrote: > >I see nothing wrong with this setup as when a MX is down the > >mail gets queued at the sender server untill the MX is reachable > >again but NS requests don't queue up and people get impatient > >so multiple NS records are needed but not multiple MX. > > Technically, this is not completely wrong. Actually, it's right. > Anyway, this way you rely on sender's service for solving possible > problems on your side. This is not good. The maximum age Here, this is proper. > for a message in the queue, the tryouts and retry intervals > are not specified in any RFC. Anyone can push the queue maximum > size lower, or shorten the max life of message in it. It's also possible > me to run a mta without a "hard" queue, just suddendly reporting > an error to the sender on failures, although rare. That's Your problem then. > >Also, multiple MX servers makes more work for the postmaster > >in regard to filters and such in addition to be not needed. > > Yes, of course more complexity implies more work. > A backup mx does not require very much work anyway. I don't even know, what piece of software is running on mx1, but please note, that mx1 should accept every message from mx backup. This means, backup mx must hold identical anti-spam shield as mx1 does. > On a qmail server, for example, this would require seconds to be > set up, and probably no maintainance at all. I guess it provides advanced content filtering out of the box? *eg* -- Pawe³ Ma³achowski From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 11:38:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9E216A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from aker.isnic.is (aker.isnic.is [193.4.58.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388AF43D69 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:37:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oli@aker.isnic.is) Received: by aker.isnic.is (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4F03C8CCB3; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:37:54 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:37:54 +0000 From: Olafur Osvaldsson To: Mij Message-ID: <20040120193754.GC27983@isnic.is> References: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mx vs ns X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:38:05 -0000 --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mij, On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Mij wrote: > Technically, this is not completely wrong. > Anyway, this way you rely on sender's service for solving possible > problems on your side. This is not good. The maximum age > for a message in the queue, the tryouts and retry intervals > are not specified in any RFC. Anyone can push the queue maximum > size lower, or shorten the max life of message in it. It's also possible > me to run a mta without a "hard" queue, just suddendly reporting > an error to the sender on failures, although rare. >=20 > This way you let your mail completely up to the sender's server=20 > strategy. The sender should hold onto the mail untill the recipients problems are solved, secondary MX doesn't help with delivering sooner, and the mail is also the property of the sender untill delivered and if he wants he can set the queue to zero... > >Also, multiple MX servers makes more work for the postmaster > >in regard to filters and such in addition to be not needed. >=20 > Yes, of course more complexity implies more work. > A backup mx does not require very much work anyway. > You just have to choose a backup server and set it not to > "reject" mail for those domain. This way it will queue > messages for the master, and then try itself to deliver them, > making the sender's mx believe everything went fine. > So your mail is kept by a trusted server, the one you've chosen, > and you're safe because you do know how it will handle its > delivering. It is not always possible to run a secondary MX on a trusted server outside your network...and if run on your own network it is mostly useless. And if the secondary MX is not run by the same person then it can't be trusted. Also if you don't apply all the same filters to both boxes then lots of unwanted email such as SPAM wich normaly would be stopped by the filters on the primary MX would get in as the primary trusts the secondary and can't lookup the remote hosts on rbl lists and such... > Since a backup mx doesn't require the load of work of a dns server > (the are no syncs nor stuff like that) probably the compromise > would pend to this latter solution instead of leaving things like they > are now. A secondary MX might require a higher workload for the postmaster and possibly opens a hole for unwanted email, there is no reason to change a completely fine setup. /Oli --=20 Olafur Osvaldsson Systems Administrator Internet a Islandi hf. Tel: +354 525-5291 Email: oli@isnic.is --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADYOS8xNRBRknOFwRAqmiAJsEAGpxJg26suBtfhMowq/HlNaVcwCeMd1A V21qRkeD/DOxjT1IyBStnjQ= =0CAd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 16:03:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB3E16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:03:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (ms001msg.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7421C43D31 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:03:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mij@bitchx.it) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (1.11.158.105) by ms001msg.fastwebnet.it (6.7.019) id 3FE794EB00365A4E for hubs@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:03:15 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20040120234325.GA32173@isnic.is> References: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> <20040120193754.GC27983@isnic.is> <8145AD6A-4BA1-11D8-BC11-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> <20040120234325.GA32173@isnic.is> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <388DDF60-4BA5-11D8-BC11-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mij Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:03:19 +0100 To: hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Subject: Re: mx vs ns X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:03:17 -0000 Il giorno 21/gen/04, alle 00:43, Olafur Osvaldsson ha scritto: i don't think this will wash us upon interesting thing. You're free to answer this mail, but i'm not going to keep on this topic; I feel it's time thrown away for both us. > So everything you get with donation and cooperation should be trusted? > I disagree. If I get an UltraSparc from Sun as gift and I'm free to make whatever I want with it, then yes, I trust it. Surely more than if i'm a big company that must choose between buying another connection in another continent or asking a concurrent isp if it likes to swap backup-mx service. If otherwise you're talking about who give you connectivity... well, you know internet. Even mx1 passes its routers. > If the secondary doesn't run any IP based filters and the master trusts > the secondary then it is a sure way to beat the filters. as said, ip-based smtp rejection is rare on public mxs. Of course the master can behave this way. It is really difficult to me to believe it does, but if it does then yes, you're right it will be a boring job to implement this. > Anyways, you have your reasons, I have mine...now can we go on with our > lives, ok, we agree. > I don't see anyone agreeing with you on hubs. yes. I don't see ~any domain on internet agreeing with you, at the same time. friendly. bye From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 16:06:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDBE16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:06:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF47F43D41 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:06:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 19C5A66C78; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:06:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:06:20 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040121000619.GA21732@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="azLHFNyN32YCQGCU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:06:22 -0000 --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 02:27:10PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > o number of architectures being supported/released - is this likely to > increase ? Yes, sooner or later. For example, the PowerPC port might mature enough this year to start building packages. > o size of the freebsd archive - release and ISO images have been growing > but the real killer has been the multi architecture packages trees. >=20 > are there any plans to try and reduce this overall ? e.g not spin a > packages tree of this size out for every architecture ? No, that would be counterproductive. If you don't want to carry the less popular architectures for space/bandwidth reasons then just configure your mirror accordingly. Kris --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADcJ7Wry0BWjoQKURApP4AJwNjpV8W0Yc8ly4sYf1kn0FRfMswgCgz8/d vwJ+uRnkX3+HK5un1gNlVmo= =79HA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 17:52:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7BA16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:52:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC6443D46 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:52:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 0EF2448F3E; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:52:20 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07C4152D17; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:52:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:52:19 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20040121000619.GA21732@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: References: <20040121000619.GA21732@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:52:32 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > are there any plans to try and reduce this overall ? e.g not spin a > > packages tree of this size out for every architecture ? > > No, that would be counterproductive. If you don't want to carry the > less popular architectures for space/bandwidth reasons then just > configure your mirror accordingly. Hi Kris, I can always control things on my mirror but the idea was to try to take a step back to see if anything could be done at the top level rather than every mirror making individual decisions which would lead to fragmentation of the mirroring effort. I respect the individual nature of mirroring but believe it's better if there was some sort of structure (which Ken has been putting together with input from yourself, Scott, Murray, Jun and others) so that there was a consistent picture for end user. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 17:54:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB5516A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:54:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ECC43D1D for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:54:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A3EF66C78; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:54:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:54:26 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040121015425.GA26511@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040121000619.GA21732@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:54:28 -0000 --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 11:52:19AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > I respect the individual nature of mirroring but believe it's better > if there was some sort of structure (which Ken has been putting > together with input from yourself, Scott, Murray, Jun and others) so > that there was a consistent picture for end user. I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Kris --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADdvRWry0BWjoQKURAp8gAJ92+ZuS4NcB+s8jT0c90LAJ4rKMKgCdHcJ1 +5KM9lsYfz+UPIMYtgvhHJI= =CX8Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 19:09:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1762D16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:09:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D885343D1D for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 4C0C748F3E; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:09:16 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3733D52D17; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:09:16 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:09:15 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20040121015425.GA26511@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: References: <20040121000619.GA21732@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040121015425.GA26511@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:09:21 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: > I'm not sure what you're looking for here. the freebsd project is getting bigger. i've been bitten in the ass before by not being able to accomodate archive growth and it causing lots more work for me down the track to juggle disk space. i'm trying to get an accurate picture of what's happening now, where things will be in 12 months and also if there's anything that can/should be done in the mirroring process along the way to make it easier for me (and others). the time to do these things seems to be between releases rather than during them. if it is just noise i'm happy to shut up now :) regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 20 19:12:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495D316A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA92243D2F for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A20F366DE1; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:12:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 19:12:57 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040121031257.GA28908@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040121000619.GA21732@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040121015425.GA26511@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd mirroring/release strategy over the next 12 months ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 03:12:59 -0000 --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 01:09:15PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > I'm not sure what you're looking for here. >=20 > the freebsd project is getting bigger. i've been bitten in the > ass before by not being able to accomodate archive growth and > it causing lots more work for me down the track to juggle disk > space. >=20 > i'm trying to get an accurate picture of what's happening now, > where things will be in 12 months and also if there's anything > that can/should be done in the mirroring process along the way > to make it easier for me (and others). the time to do these > things seems to be between releases rather than during them. >=20 > if it is just noise i'm happy to shut up now :) Growth will come from: * New architectures (e.g. PPC) * Growth of ports collection * Fixes to broken ports * Branching of 5.x-STABLE, since we will then have 3 streams to support, until 4.x is retired. Kris --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADe45Wry0BWjoQKURAoMAAKDfgsPh0Y6napBJZJmpWu+3r9clIACfa3qQ olzLE+5VmT8ZvTpaJGjknc8= =8ut3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZGiS0Q5IWpPtfppv-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 16:47:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BE616A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C08D43D54 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:47:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 2124348F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:47:41 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AAB452D17 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:47:41 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:47:40 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: cleanup/questions on some minor directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:47:49 -0000 Hi, Now that ftp.au.freebsd.org is in sync (for probably the first time in 2+ years) for ports/releases i've been cleaning up some of the older stuff in the mirror here. some questions - a while ago it was proposed removing the branches/ directory from the freebsd mirrors. Was there any consensus on making this happen ? A timetable ? I'm also wondering about the following minor bits: /pub/FreeBSD/tools/ /pub/FreeBSD/tools.NEW/ is one a replacement for the other ? /pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ will the snapshots in there be deleted once a release has gone out ? is it recommended for mirrors to carry this ? was there another snapshots server in the past that held this stuff ? /pub/FreeBSD/doc/mailing-lists/archive/ there are a number of files that are directly written in there - is this expected behaviour ? some are > 3 years old but don't appear to have been archived into a directory of that year.. /pub/FreeBSD/TrustedBSD/ is this directory around for historical reasons ? /pub/FreeBSD/development/drivers/ - empty directory ? /pub/FreeBSD/development/doc/ - empty directory ? /pub/FreeBSD/development/sparc64/ - empty directory ? /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/ - historical directory ? /pub/FreeBSD/development/CTM/ - is this uptodate ? required to be arried by mirrors? i can see it has a src-3 and src-4 but no src-5 (has a src-cur though). /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ - is this an unpacked cvs tree ? i've never quite worked it out.. and whether it ties into branches/ or not regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 17:26:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D135F16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CF543D2F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:26:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 5727D48F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:26:01 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E24452D17 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:26:01 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:26:01 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:26:04 -0000 hi, is it intentional to have a symlink link for 'ports' in the FreeBSD 4.9 release tree for alpha that points at i386 ? all the other releases in other architectures have a directory with content.. this one is: ./alpha/4.9-RELEASE/ports -> ../../i386/4.9-RELEASE/ports however the same doesn't happen for 4.8 or 5.X. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 17:44:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D8B16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:44:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D8F43D41 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:44:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 7126548F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:44:11 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB1852D17 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:44:11 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:44:11 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:44:15 -0000 hi, it appears that the linking from the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages is broken. on ftp-master.us it is a directory rather than a link to ../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release. the directory is mainly empty apart from a few empty subdirs and a couple of broken linked packages. i've confirmed it's also that way on ftp-master.freebsd.org regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 17:47:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80ED916A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:47:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE1443D3F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 22F7A66C78; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:47:07 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:47:08 -0000 --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:26:01AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: >=20 > hi, >=20 > is it intentional to have a symlink link for 'ports' in > the FreeBSD 4.9 release tree for alpha that points at > i386 ? all the other releases in other architectures > have a directory with content.. this one is: >=20 > ./alpha/4.9-RELEASE/ports -> ../../i386/4.9-RELEASE/ports >=20 > however the same doesn't happen for 4.8 or 5.X. The ports tree is the same for all architectures..there's no point in duplicating it. Kris --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADyuaWry0BWjoQKURAm+kAJ9afjam6RMAPl4LpTi3tsRmK9HgZgCgxL+E ZhE2JYduUZcmRU2nA5N0rA8= =QPg0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:29:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB3016A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.globo.com (smtp2.globo.com [200.208.9.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C81C43D2F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:29:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from jonny.eng.br (200.217.106.223) by mail.globo.com (6.0.053) (authenticated as jcml21@globo.com) id 40076DB0000A25A0; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:28:55 -0200 Message-ID: <400F3562.7040904@jonny.eng.br> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:28:50 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: pt-br, en-us, en, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jason andrade References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:29:08 -0000 5.1? IIRC, 5.1 did not have a amd64 port... And my copy of amd64 5.2-RELEASE seens to be correct. I've rsynced from ftp-master.us jason andrade wrote: > hi, > > it appears that the linking from the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages is > broken. on ftp-master.us it is a directory rather than a link to > ../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release. the directory is mainly > empty apart from a few empty subdirs and a couple of broken > linked packages. > > i've confirmed it's also that way on ftp-master.freebsd.org > > regards, > > -jason > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hubs > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hubs-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís - Networking Engineer - jonny@jonny.eng.br From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:33:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136A116A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F3B43D2F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:33:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 8420648F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:33:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C12352D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:33:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:33:02 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:33:07 -0000 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: > The ports tree is the same for all architectures..there's no point in > duplicating it. ah, in that case it has been duplicated in every architecture and every separate release tree. so should the actual behaviour on disk be: o ports directory in releases/i386/X.X-RELEASE/ o symlink from releases/$arch/X.X-RELEASE/ports to point back into the i386 ports directory of the same release ? regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:37:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0F5016A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D682B43D39 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:37:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E4C866C78; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:37:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:37:36 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:37:38 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:33:02PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > The ports tree is the same for all architectures..there's no point in > > duplicating it. >=20 > ah, in that case it has been duplicated in every architecture and every > separate release tree. >=20 > so should the actual behaviour on disk be: >=20 > o ports directory in releases/i386/X.X-RELEASE/ > o symlink from releases/$arch/X.X-RELEASE/ports to point back into the > i386 ports directory of the same release ? Isn't that what you described? Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADzdwWry0BWjoQKURAovPAJ9rgekHVqo0T/UdCRVVNpd/w3OLwACfQKVE +Fh+AaAvD4usX380DhjGU7o= =qn9J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:39:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1896616A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:39:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F7043D5C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:39:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 8624648F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:39:02 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9DA52D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:39:02 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:39:02 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= In-Reply-To: <400F3562.7040904@jonny.eng.br> Message-ID: References: <400F3562.7040904@jonny.eng.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:39:05 -0000 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, [ISO-8859-1] Jo=E3o Carlos Mendes Lu=EDs wrote: > 5.1? IIRC, 5.1 did not have a amd64 port... it's there on ftp-master.us drwxrwxr-x 1024 2003/12/27 09:15:48 amd64/5.1-RELEASE > And my copy of amd64 5.2-RELEASE seens to be correct. I've rsynced from > ftp-master.us correct in what way ? if i understood Kris correctly, no -RELEASE for any other architecture should have a ports/ directory - they should all be symlinks back to the i386/-RELEASE/ports/ directory as the contents are identical. it is weird that each one has a different filesize though if they are meant to be identical. -bash-2.05b$ ls -la ../../../amd64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ -rw-rw-r-- 1 mirror mirror 24398333 Jan 11 13:16 ports.tgz -bash-2.05b$ ls -la ../../../i386/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ -rw-r--r-- 1 mirror mirror 24403986 Jan 11 14:32 ports.tgz -bash-2.05b$ ls -la ../../../sparc64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ -rw-r--r-- 1 mirror mirror 24408312 Jan 11 16:40 ports.tgz regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:43:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53D3816A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8163B43D31 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:43:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 9313F48F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:43:06 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A91E52D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:43:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:43:06 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:43:09 -0000 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > separate release tree. > > > > so should the actual behaviour on disk be: > > > > o ports directory in releases/i386/X.X-RELEASE/ > > o symlink from releases/$arch/X.X-RELEASE/ports to point back into the > > i386 ports directory of the same release ? > > Isn't that what you described? nope. and this is getting confusing. to start again every architecture and release (4.X, 5.X) on ftp-master* has a separate ports directory. EXCEPT alpha/4.9-RELEASE/ports - which is a symlink to the i386/4.9-RELEASE/ports if the ports directory is identical for all architectures within a release (i am assuming it is not across the releases) then all but the alpha/4.9-RELEASE is broken as they all shouldn't have separate directories - there should be just one directory in the i386 tree which everything else links back into. if the ports directory is *not* identical then everything is fine except for the alpha/4.9-RELEASE which is pointing into a different architecture's ports directory. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:47:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238F816A4CF for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:47:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.globo.com (smtp1.globo.com [200.208.9.168]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FCE43D46 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:47:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from jonny.eng.br (200.217.106.223) by mail.globo.com (6.0.053) (authenticated as jcml21@globo.com) id 3FD4F117002A668D; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:47:25 -0200 Message-ID: <400F39BB.9020703@jonny.eng.br> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:47:23 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: pt-br, en-us, en, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jason andrade References: <400F3562.7040904@jonny.eng.br> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:47:45 -0000 jason andrade wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, [ISO-8859-1] João Carlos Mendes Luís wrote: > > >>5.1? IIRC, 5.1 did not have a amd64 port... > > it's there on ftp-master.us Humm, that's true... > drwxrwxr-x 1024 2003/12/27 09:15:48 amd64/5.1-RELEASE > >>And my copy of amd64 5.2-RELEASE seens to be correct. I've rsynced from >>ftp-master.us > > correct in what way ? > > if i understood Kris correctly, no -RELEASE for any other architecture > should have a ports/ directory - they should all be symlinks back to > the i386/-RELEASE/ports/ directory as the contents are identical. Your original email was about 5.1-RELEASE/packages, not /ports > it is weird that each one has a different filesize though if they are > meant to be identical. > > -bash-2.05b$ ls -la ../../../amd64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ > -rw-rw-r-- 1 mirror mirror 24398333 Jan 11 13:16 ports.tgz > -bash-2.05b$ ls -la ../../../i386/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 mirror mirror 24403986 Jan 11 14:32 ports.tgz > -bash-2.05b$ ls -la ../../../sparc64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ > -rw-r--r-- 1 mirror mirror 24408312 Jan 11 16:40 ports.tgz Now, you're right... roma::root releases [651] dir */5.2*/ports amd64/5.2-RELEASE/ports: total 23888 drwxrwxr-x 2 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 512 Jan 12 07:30 . drwxrwxr-x 13 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 1024 Jan 12 07:30 .. -rw-rw-r-- 1 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 103 Jan 11 01:16 CHECKSUM.MD5 -rwxrwxr-x 1 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 300 Jan 11 01:16 install.sh -rw-rw-r-- 1 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 24398333 Jan 11 01:16 ports.tgz i386/5.2-RELEASE/ports: total 23888 drwxr-xr-x 2 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 512 Jan 11 16:47 . drwxr-xr-x 20 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 1024 Jan 11 16:57 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 103 Jan 11 02:32 CHECKSUM.MD5 -rwxr-xr-x 1 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 300 Jan 11 02:32 install.sh -rw-r--r-- 1 ftpadmin ftpadmin - 24403986 Jan 11 02:32 ports.tgz roma::root releases [652] Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís - Networking Engineer - jonny@jonny.eng.br From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:54:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F41B16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76A143D3F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6931366CD1; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:54:38 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122025438.GA47642@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:54:43 -0000 --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:43:06PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Kris Kennaway wrote: >=20 > > > separate release tree. > > > > > > so should the actual behaviour on disk be: > > > > > > o ports directory in releases/i386/X.X-RELEASE/ > > > o symlink from releases/$arch/X.X-RELEASE/ports to point back into the > > > i386 ports directory of the same release ? > > > > Isn't that what you described? >=20 > nope. and this is getting confusing. to start again >=20 > every architecture and release (4.X, 5.X) on ftp-master* has a separate > ports directory. EXCEPT alpha/4.9-RELEASE/ports - which is a symlink to > the i386/4.9-RELEASE/ports >=20 > if the ports directory is identical for all architectures within a release > (i am assuming it is not across the releases) then all but the alpha/4.9-= RELEASE > is broken as they all shouldn't have separate directories - there should = be > just one directory in the i386 tree which everything else links back into. >=20 > if the ports directory is *not* identical then everything is fine except = for > the alpha/4.9-RELEASE which is pointing into a different architecture's p= orts > directory. OK, thanks for clarifying. As far as I know there only needs to be one copy of the checked-out ports collection per release, so the others can all be replaced with symlinks [1]. Kris [1] If someone is going to retrofit all the old releases on ftp-master, be careful, because from past experience, things like rsync and/or cvsup don't like it when you replace a directory with a symlink. --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADztuWry0BWjoQKURAuEIAKCxG9SodrjQBevN79p/CFK/n44mGACeMNVm Lx/+gwb6YJ9NwL05bcyf7Hk= =4fNF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2oS5YaxWCcQjTEyO-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:55:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D96F16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B80843D46 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:55:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AC46766C78; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:55:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:55:42 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122025542.GA47739@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <400F3562.7040904@jonny.eng.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zhXaljGHf11kAtnf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:55:45 -0000 --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:39:02PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > it is weird that each one has a different filesize though if they are > meant to be identical. Probably checked out at different times..they should have the same contents. Kris --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFADzuuWry0BWjoQKURAi7UAKDojJlMkfR8h3oqPMbHOVkJxcGNzQCfRMQ2 d5vKUGSnCwbiEkicYA8dObA= =/owk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zhXaljGHf11kAtnf-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 18:56:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E88816A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:56:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F84143D39 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:56:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 98F8A48F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:56:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B9352D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:56:00 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:56:00 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= In-Reply-To: <400F39BB.9020703@jonny.eng.br> Message-ID: References: <400F39BB.9020703@jonny.eng.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:56:08 -0000 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, [ISO-8859-1] Jo=E3o Carlos Mendes Lu=EDs wrote: > Your original email was about 5.1-RELEASE/packages, not /ports sorry, i'm getting confused. there are two separate things i thought were broken (but i've had broken sleep for a few days now so bear with my incoherency..) the packages stuff that is broken (i think) is: lrwxrwxrwx 41 2003/08/26 22:38:33 alpha/4.8-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../po= rts/alpha/packages-4.8-release lrwxr-xr-x 41 2003/11/02 05:52:30 alpha/4.9-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../po= rts/alpha/packages-4.9-release lrwxrwxrwx 41 2003/08/26 22:38:33 alpha/5.1-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../po= rts/alpha/packages-5.1-release lrwxr-xr-x 41 2004/01/12 16:43:58 alpha/5.2-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../po= rts/alpha/packages-5.2-release drwxrwxr-x 512 2003/12/27 09:16:17 amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages lrwxr-xr-x 41 2004/01/11 20:54:40 amd64/5.2-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../po= rts/amd64/packages-5.2-release lrwxrwxrwx 40 2003/08/26 22:38:33 i386/4.8-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-4.8-release lrwxr-xr-x 40 2003/10/28 08:41:40 i386/4.9-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-4.9-release lrwxrwxrwx 38 2003/08/26 22:38:33 i386/5.0-CURRENT/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-5-current lrwxrwxrwx 40 2003/08/26 22:38:33 i386/5.1-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-5.1-release lrwxr-xr-x 40 2004/01/12 04:44:31 i386/5.2-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-5.2-release lrwxr-xr-x 40 2004/01/12 07:26:55 ia64/5.1-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/ia64/packages-5.1-release lrwxr-xr-x 40 2004/01/12 07:44:12 ia64/5.2-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/ia64/packages-5.2-release lrwxrwxrwx 40 2003/08/26 22:38:33 pc98/5.1-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-5.1-release lrwxr-xr-x 40 2004/01/13 01:11:52 pc98/5.2-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../por= ts/i386/packages-5.2-release lrwxrwxrwx 43 2003/08/26 22:38:33 sparc64/5.1-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../= ports/sparc64/packages-5.1-release lrwxr-xr-x 43 2004/01/12 13:16:34 sparc64/5.2-RELEASE/packages -> ../../../= ports/sparc64/packages-5.2-release the ports stuff (after checking multiple times) appears to be slightly broken for one release.. -rw-r--r-- 19080613 2003/04/04 14:20:20 alpha/4.8-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz lrwxr-xr-x 28 2003/11/02 16:28:22 alpha/4.9-RELEASE/ports -> ../../i386/4.= 9-RELEASE/ports -rw-r--r-- 21757133 2003/06/07 05:37:35 alpha/5.1-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 24411286 2004/01/11 11:42:27 alpha/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-rw-r-- 21738993 2003/06/05 18:07:12 amd64/5.1-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-rw-r-- 24398333 2004/01/11 13:16:33 amd64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 19079386 2003/04/03 21:08:24 i386/4.8-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-rw-r-- 21341685 2003/10/28 04:06:16 i386/4.9-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 21751800 2003/06/05 13:12:53 i386/5.1-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 24403986 2004/01/11 14:32:40 i386/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 24417902 2004/01/11 15:03:55 ia64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 21751800 2003/06/05 13:12:53 pc98/5.1-RELEASE/ports/ports.tgz -rw-r--r-- 21751800 2003/06/05 13:12:53 sparc64/5.1-RELEASE/ports/ports.tg= z -rw-r--r-- 24408312 2004/01/11 16:40:33 sparc64/5.2-RELEASE/ports/ports.tg= z regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 19:11:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E6316A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:11:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04D943D1F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:11:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0M3B8Tr009788; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0M3B8Og009787; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:11:08 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:11:08 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: Kris Kennaway Message-ID: <20040122031108.GB9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122025438.GA47642@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040122025438.GA47642@xor.obsecurity.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: jason andrade cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:11:10 -0000 On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 06:54:38PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > OK, thanks for clarifying. As far as I know there only needs to be > one copy of the checked-out ports collection per release, so the > others can all be replaced with symlinks [1]. Things are the way they are mostly because of how releases get done I think. For the most part different people do the builds for the different architectures, post them to ftp-master at different times, etc. There tends to be more coordination for the 4.X releases because of only two architectures - fewer people involved. > [1] If someone is going to retrofit all the old releases on > ftp-master, be careful, because from past experience, things like > rsync and/or cvsup don't like it when you replace a directory with a > symlink. When compared to the sizes of everything else in the FTP site doing this might not be the best idea because it breaks being able to carry one specific architecture if the architecture you choose isn't the one with the "real" ports file. It does save us a little space but... -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 19:23:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81F916A51C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:23:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7269043D1D for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:23:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 6F77348F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:23:39 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5843452D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:23:39 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:23:39 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Ken Smith In-Reply-To: <20040122031108.GB9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Message-ID: References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122031108.GB9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:23:42 -0000 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Ken Smith wrote: > When compared to the sizes of everything else in the FTP site doing > this might not be the best idea because it breaks being able to > carry one specific architecture if the architecture you choose > isn't the one with the "real" ports file. It does save us a little > space but... unless by default you make the i386 architecture the one with the actual ports tree and you carry the i386 architecture. are there any official mirrors that don't carry at least i386 in addition to any others ? i'm not trying to create any extra work here - just trying to figure out how to get things consistent.. or perhaps i am suffering from obsessive compulsive behaviour after all.. and while we're at it.. there were a few other questions about some other directories... regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 19:46:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8746716A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:46:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C26443D4C for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:46:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0M3kqTr010423; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0M3kqsD010422; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:46:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:46:52 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122034652.GD9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122031108.GB9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:46:54 -0000 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 01:23:39PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > unless by default you make the i386 architecture the one with the > actual ports tree and you carry the i386 architecture. are there any > official mirrors that don't carry at least i386 in addition to > any others ? > > i'm not trying to create any extra work here - just trying to > figure out how to get things consistent.. or perhaps i am > suffering from obsessive compulsive behaviour after all.. That's the only layout that would make sense I think (i386 holding the 'master' copy) right now. But how long before amd64 takes over? :-) I don't mind the extra "work" but given the relatively small size and the dynamics of multiple people doing the builds my guess is we'd have fewer mistakes made if we shoot for the consistency being separate files for the individual architectures. But I don't feel strongly enough about it that I can't be convinced I'm wrong. :-) > and while we're at it.. there were a few other questions > about some other directories... If that's a reference to the previous message I'll see what I can come up with. I knew a few of the answers but not all. :-( -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 20:32:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C917416A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:32:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73FCA43D41 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:32:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0M4WvTr011299; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:32:57 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0M4WvNd011298; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:32:57 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 23:32:57 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122043257.GG9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:33:00 -0000 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:44:11AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > it appears that the linking from the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages is > broken. on ftp-master.us it is a directory rather than a link to > ../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release. the directory is mainly > empty apart from a few empty subdirs and a couple of broken > linked packages. There is no ../../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release directory at all. What is inside of the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages directory is "correct" in that the INDEX file contains only two packages, and those two packages are present in the All directory (with symlinks to them from the other directories). I could be wrong but I think at the time of 5.1 amd64 wasn't a "Tier-1" architecture. One of the reasons would have been lack of ports compiling and running well on it yet. :-) For something like this I'm guessing the portmgr@ folks weren't heavily involved (if at all) so everything was done by the person who did the release build and s/he just put everything there. The only two packages are perl (considered an absolute necessity, it's the only package in the -mini CD's) and bash (probably the shell of the main developer :-). -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 20:38:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A25C16A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:38:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BCA43D39 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:38:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id 917FE48F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:38:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EE252D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:38:40 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:38:40 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Ken Smith In-Reply-To: <20040122043257.GG9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Message-ID: References: <20040122043257.GG9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:38:43 -0000 On Wed, 21 Jan 2004, Ken Smith wrote: > There is no ../../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release directory at > all. What is inside of the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages directory is > "correct" in that the INDEX file contains only two packages, and those > two packages are present in the All directory (with symlinks to them > from the other directories). thanks for the explanation ken. it makes sense now how this would have happened. does it make any sense to clean it up to bring it into line with all the other releases - because it's pretty small it shouldn't cause much data transfer for other mirrors to move it out of releases and into ports. regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 00:08:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE2016A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:08:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from gaultopia.org (yttrium.4ph.com [66.197.0.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A34D43D2F for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:08:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eng@gaultopia.org) Received: (qmail 51789 invoked by uid 1001); 22 Jan 2004 08:08:16 -0000 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:08:16 -0500 From: Erik Gault To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040122080816.GA96596@yttrium.gaultopia.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i Subject: cvsup2(www2).us.freebsd.org down temporarily X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:08:18 -0000 Due to tragic hardware failure cvsup2.freebsd.org and www2.us.freebsd.org are down. It happened a few days ago, I was expecting a replacement box to be in place by now but apparently there are some difficulties. I'll advise as soon as it's back up again. Erik From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 02:09:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C182816A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:09:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C7643D1F for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:09:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from netch@lucky.net) Received: from netch@localhost [127.0.0.1] (netch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua with ESMTP id i0MA9UJw080602; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:09:33 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.12.8p2/8.12.8/Submit) id i0MA9T5j080595; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:09:29 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:09:29 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122100929.GU19682@lucky.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-42: On X-Verify-Sender: verified cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cleanup/questions on some minor directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: netch@lucky.net List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:09:38 -0000 Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 10:47:40, jason wrote about "cleanup/questions on some minor directories": > /pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/ > will the snapshots in there be deleted once a release has gone out ? > is it recommended for mirrors to carry this ? was there another > snapshots server in the past that held this stuff ? AFAIU snapshots are distributed from another servers. > /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ - is this an unpacked > cvs tree ? i've never quite worked it out.. and whether it > ties into branches/ or not Among with snapshots, I think it is reasonable placeholder for directories which are traditionally placed on some mirrors. If mirror is also cvsup mirror, /home/ncvs may be symlink to development/FreeBSD-CVS. -netch- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 03:09:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C24C16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from luna.rtfmconsult.com (luna.rtfmconsult.com [202.83.72.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3969143D31 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:08:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jason@rtfmconsult.com) Received: by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix, from userid 42) id B8DF748F3F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:08:55 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luna.rtfmconsult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A279452D17; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:08:55 +1000 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:08:55 +1000 (EST) From: jason andrade To: Valentin Nechayev In-Reply-To: <20040122100929.GU19682@lucky.net> Message-ID: References: <20040122100929.GU19682@lucky.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cleanup/questions on some minor directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:09:01 -0000 On Thu, 22 Jan 2004, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > > is it recommended for mirrors to carry this ? was there another > > snapshots server in the past that held this stuff ? > > AFAIU snapshots are distributed from another servers. which other servers ? snapshots.freebsd.org doesn't seem to exist in DNS. i'm assuming that at the moment a snapshot is put onto the master if it's perceived that there's a lot of demand for it - which means it will likely propagate to a bunch of mirrors who aren't excluding snapshots.. > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ - is this an unpacked > > cvs tree ? i've never quite worked it out.. and whether it > > ties into branches/ or not > > Among with snapshots, I think it is reasonable placeholder for directories > which are traditionally placed on some mirrors. i've found that a number of mirror sites will simply point at a top level of freebsd and simply pull all the content down. they may then exclude some architectures based on disk space. FreeBSD-CVS (and the branches trees) are relatively small disk wise so they aren't excluded. however they have a bazillion small files which means using rsync on this (yes, i realise cvsup is recommended instead but not all can use it) chews a chunk of memory (on server and client) and also time. so it's fine by me if a mirror site is using /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ as their placeholder for their cvsup repository but is it required that the *master* sites also provide/hold this data in that location ? regards, -jason From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 21 16:03:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D85816A4E6 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:03:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (eta.fastwebnet.it [213.140.2.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E354043D2F for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mij@bitchx.it) Received: from [1.11.158.105] (1.11.158.105) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.019) id 3FE791B300358B5F for hubs@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:03:45 +0100 Message-Id: <20040122000347.E354043D2F@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: mij@bitchx.it To: undisclosed-recipients: ; X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:10:43 -0800 Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:03:49 -0000 >From michele.mazzucchi@fastwebnet.it Wed Jan 21 00:28:25 2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) In-Reply-To: <20040120190739.GA62180@shellma.zin.lublin.pl> References: <93570F3C-4B56-11D8-9538-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> <20040120153117.GL86062@isnic.is> <20040120190739.GA62180@shellma.zin.lublin.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5850BBA2-4BA0-11D8-BC11-000A95CCF092@bitchx.it> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mij Subject: Re: mx vs ns Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:28:25 +0100 To: hubs@freebsd.org Il giorno 20/gen/04, alle 20:07, Pawel Malachowski ha scritto: > Actually, it's right. I don't like flames. >> for a message in the queue, the tryouts and retry intervals >> are not specified in any RFC. Anyone can push the queue maximum >> size lower, or shorten the max life of message in it. It's also >> possible >> me to run a mta without a "hard" queue, just suddendly reporting >> an error to the sender on failures, although rare. > > That's Your problem then. Yes! Good solution. Our mail activity is up to our users! > I don't even know, what piece of software is running on mx1, > but please note, that mx1 should accept every message from > mx backup. This means, backup mx must hold identical anti-spam > shield as mx1 does. mmm... no, i can't understand really well what you're talking about. does mx1 block smtp sessions from certain ip(s)? If not, as the whole rest of the world, and instead does just per-content branches, then you're raising a problem that does not exist. please note that mx1 would receive from its backup the mail the same way it would from the real sender's mx. The only thing that differs is the ip the session is made from (and a few new headers for message history tracking). mx1 could not distinguish then. bye From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 06:34:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF04516A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB1C43D41 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:34:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0MEYTTr022580; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:34:29 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0MEYTPq022579; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:34:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:34:28 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: jason andrade Message-ID: <20040122143428.GA21985@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040122100929.GU19682@lucky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: Valentin Nechayev cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cleanup/questions on some minor directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:34:32 -0000 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 09:08:55PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > so it's fine by me if a mirror site is using /pub/FreeBSD/development/FreeBSD-CVS/ > as their placeholder for their cvsup repository but is it required that > the *master* sites also provide/hold this data in that location ? My understanding is that some sites[1] use it for the reverse situation as well - for whatever reason they don't use cvsup to sync their CVS repository and keep it "up to date" by just mirroring it from the FreeBSD FTP tree. [1] In this context site might not be a full-blown mirror site providing stuff to other people, it could be a developer keeping his/her source repository up to date this way via a local FTP mirror site. You would be amazed at what some of the developers ("real" developers active in the project, "non-project" developers who take FreeBSD as a base and build something else from it, and "wanna be" developers who work on their own to fix stuff and send PR's) do... -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 06:51:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D9616A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:51:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU [128.205.32.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E57243D4C for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:51:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kensmith@cse.Buffalo.EDU) Received: from electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (kensmith@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0MEpPTr022981; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (from kensmith@localhost) by electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i0MEpPrr022980; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:51:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:51:24 -0500 From: Ken Smith To: Valentin Nechayev Message-ID: <20040122145124.GB21985@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> References: <20040122100929.GU19682@lucky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040122100929.GU19682@lucky.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: jason andrade cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cleanup/questions on some minor directories X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:51:26 -0000 On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 12:09:29PM +0200, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > AFAIU snapshots are distributed from another servers. They have an automated snapshot building system on snapshots.jp.freebsd.org but at the moment it only supports alpha, i386, and sparc64. Snapshots for other architectures are done on an ad-hoc basis by the developer(s) primarily working on that other architecture if they think it's needed for testing purposes (and typically they don't have access to the snapshots server even if they wanted to put it there instead of on ftp-master). [ Can you tell I've been trying to learn more about "how stuff works" in the project? :-] -- Ken Smith - From there to here, from here to | kensmith@cse.buffalo.edu there, funny things are everywhere. | - Theodore Geisel | From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 07:38:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAA016A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.globo.com (smtp2.globo.com [200.208.9.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6887E43D2F for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:38:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from jonny.eng.br (200.217.106.223) by mail.globo.com (6.0.053) (authenticated as jcml21@globo.com) id 40076DB0000AEA8F; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:37:31 -0200 Message-ID: <400FEE3A.2060904@jonny.eng.br> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:37:30 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: pt-br, en-us, en, pt MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Smith References: <20040122014706.GA46878@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122023736.GA47498@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122025438.GA47642@xor.obsecurity.org> <20040122031108.GB9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> In-Reply-To: <20040122031108.GB9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: jason andrade cc: hubs@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: freebsd 4.9 alpha ports link points into i386 tree ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:38:03 -0000 Ken Smith wrote: > On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 06:54:38PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > >>OK, thanks for clarifying. As far as I know there only needs to be >>one copy of the checked-out ports collection per release, so the >>others can all be replaced with symlinks [1]. > > > Things are the way they are mostly because of how releases get done > I think. For the most part different people do the builds for the > different architectures, post them to ftp-master at different times, > etc. There tends to be more coordination for the 4.X releases because > of only two architectures - fewer people involved. > > >>[1] If someone is going to retrofit all the old releases on >>ftp-master, be careful, because from past experience, things like >>rsync and/or cvsup don't like it when you replace a directory with a >>symlink. > > > When compared to the sizes of everything else in the FTP site doing > this might not be the best idea because it breaks being able to > carry one specific architecture if the architecture you choose > isn't the one with the "real" ports file. It does save us a little > space but... Hey, what about creating a "common" architecture, where sources, ports and everything else that is common between architectures would be left? Today i386 is taking this position, but it is not the perfect way of doing things. Jonny -- João Carlos Mendes Luís - Networking Engineer - jonny@jonny.eng.br From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 22 15:07:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840D816A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:07:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-67-119-53-122.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [67.119.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418F643D4C for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:07:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9FA5666DE1; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:07:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:07:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ken Smith Message-ID: <20040122230752.GA75266@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <20040122043257.GG9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040122043257.GG9102@electra.cse.Buffalo.EDU> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: jason andrade cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: broken packages directory/link for amd64 freebsd 5.1 release ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:07:55 -0000 --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 11:32:57PM -0500, Ken Smith wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 11:44:11AM +1000, jason andrade wrote: >=20 > > it appears that the linking from the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages is > > broken. on ftp-master.us it is a directory rather than a link to > > ../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release. the directory is mainly > > empty apart from a few empty subdirs and a couple of broken > > linked packages. >=20 > There is no ../../../ports/amd64/packages-5.1-release directory at > all. What is inside of the amd64/5.1-RELEASE/packages directory is > "correct" in that the INDEX file contains only two packages, and those > two packages are present in the All directory (with symlinks to them > from the other directories). >=20 > I could be wrong but I think at the time of 5.1 amd64 wasn't a > "Tier-1" architecture. One of the reasons would have been lack of > ports compiling and running well on it yet. :-) >=20 > For something like this I'm guessing the portmgr@ folks weren't > heavily involved (if at all) so everything was done by the person > who did the release build and s/he just put everything there. The > only two packages are perl (considered an absolute necessity, it's > the only package in the -mini CD's) and bash (probably the shell of > the main developer :-). I think you're right here. At the time we didn't even have amd64 package building machines. Kris --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAEFfIWry0BWjoQKURAjmfAKD34qsTKCTXXys+r2yBJ5iDmWMHEACfYFvl ubAz4COQ4PTrwHIU+QEcedw= =fNE1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3V7upXqbjpZ4EhLz-- From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 00:46:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E972516A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:46:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBAF43D1D for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 00:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@dohd.org) Received: by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4010DF5B#23BC61F023; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:46:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from nala.dohd.org (eeyore.ipv6.stack.nl [2001:610:1108:5201:204:75ff:fec4:f443]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4010DF5A#44FB41F021 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:46:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.local.dohd.org [127.0.0.1]) by nala.dohd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAE6A11524 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:46:17 +0100 (MET) Received: by nala.dohd.org (Postfix, from userid 1008) id 9F86F11523; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:46:16 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:46:16 +0100 From: Mark Huizer To: hubs@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040123084616.GA94377@eeyore.local.dohd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dohd.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on vaak.stack.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 Subject: -s for cvsup on mirrors? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:46:22 -0000 Hi, Is it feasible to use the -s option as an argument for cvsup in update.sh? I'm trying to squeeze a little more performance out of this cvsup box, and this hourly cvsup is producing relatively many disk accesses. Has anyone every tried? Or will it break things? (what I understand: cvsupd is using this file, and probably keeping it up to date as well, so you might start depending on the fact that every file is accessed once every hour, or not?) I will give it a shot at my 'home mirror' first of course, but if anyone ever tried it before, please tell me the results. Mark -- Nice testing in little China... From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 09:38:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275DA16A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from blake.polstra.com (blake.polstra.com [64.81.189.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4ED43D2F for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:38:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from strings.polstra.com (dsl081-189-067.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.189.67]) by blake.polstra.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0NHMlIq024590; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040123084616.GA94377@eeyore.local.dohd.org> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:22:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Polstra To: Mark Huizer X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.068154, version=0.14.5 cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: RE: -s for cvsup on mirrors? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:38:14 -0000 On 23-Jan-2004 Mark Huizer wrote: > Is it feasible to use the -s option as an argument for cvsup in > update.sh? Yes, I recommend it. Just make sure you never muck around with the files on the mirror. John From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 10:39:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ADDC16A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from meestal.stack.nl (meestal.stack.nl [131.155.140.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783EA43DA8 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:37:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@dohd.org) Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5010:248:54ff:fe6b:2cec]) by meestal.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40116823#BA45A109F for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:29:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 4011694C#73B101F028; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:34:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from nala.dohd.org (eeyore.ipv6.stack.nl [2001:610:1108:5201:204:75ff:fec4:f443]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4011694B#96A201F025; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:34:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost.local.dohd.org [127.0.0.1]) by nala.dohd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DC1311524; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:34:51 +0100 (MET) Received: by nala.dohd.org (Postfix, from userid 1008) id BE0C411523; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:34:49 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:34:49 +0100 From: Mark Huizer To: John Polstra Message-ID: <20040123183449.GA3020@eeyore.local.dohd.org> References: <20040123084616.GA94377@eeyore.local.dohd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dohd.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.61 (1.212.2.1-2003-12-09-exp) on vaak.stack.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.61 cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -s for cvsup on mirrors? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:39:08 -0000 > > Is it feasible to use the -s option as an argument for cvsup in > > update.sh? > > Yes, I recommend it. Just make sure you never muck around with the > files on the mirror. OK, just changed that, but why isn't that added to /usr/ports/net/cvsup-mirror then? That was the reason I was doubting it. It does give a performance boost btw, the hourly updates take far less time, resulting in more I/O left for the 'customers'. Mark -- Nice testing in little China... From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 10:42:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1421F16A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:42:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from blake.polstra.com (blake.polstra.com [64.81.189.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E303343D9F for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:41:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Received: from strings.polstra.com (dsl081-189-067.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.189.67]) by blake.polstra.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i0NIdfIq025076; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:39:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jdp@polstra.com) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.4 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040123183449.GA3020@eeyore.local.dohd.org> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Polstra To: Mark Huizer X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.396099, version=0.14.5 cc: hubs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -s for cvsup on mirrors? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 18:42:12 -0000 On 23-Jan-2004 Mark Huizer wrote: >> > Is it feasible to use the -s option as an argument for cvsup in >> > update.sh? >> >> Yes, I recommend it. Just make sure you never muck around with the >> files on the mirror. > > OK, just changed that, but why isn't that added to > /usr/ports/net/cvsup-mirror then? Because I wanted people to think carefully about their responsibilities before they enabled it. :-) John From owner-freebsd-hubs@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 23 11:22:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2972C16A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:22:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from orchitis.gs.ams.nlisp.nl (cvsup.netholding.nl [81.23.233.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12C1243D82 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vincent@nlisp.nl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by orchitis.gs.ams.nlisp.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795D9ACC6 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:19:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from orchitis.gs.ams.nlisp.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (orchitis.gs.ams.nlisp.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00137-07 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:19:21 +0100 (CET) Received: by orchitis.gs.ams.nlisp.nl (Postfix, from userid 80) id C4EB5ACC5; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:19:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from office.nlisp.nl (office.nlisp.nl [213.84.137.41]) by webmail.nlisp.nl (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:19:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1074885561.401173b99dee5@webmail.nlisp.nl> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:19:21 +0100 From: "Vincent Bruijnes [NLISP Internet]" To: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 / FreeBSD-4.9 X-Virus-Scanned: by NLISP MAIL SCANNER at nlisp.nl Subject: cvsup5.nl.freebsd.org out of synch X-BeenThere: freebsd-hubs@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Distributions Hubs: mail sup ftp List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:22:33 -0000 5th Dutch cvsup is temporary down due to a new harddisk which is inserted into the server. At this moment we're downloading complete cvs from cvsup-master. Apologies for the downtime. -- Met vriendelijke groet/With kind regards, Vincent Bruijnes NL ISP Postbus 460 1250 AL Laren Tel.: 0871 - 901 505 Fax: 0871 - 901 505 http://www.nlisp.nl ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by replying the email and please remove the files from your computer. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. **********************************************************************