From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 10:32:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C516A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net (outbound02.telus.net [199.185.220.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E0743D46 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:32:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net) Received: from d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net ([216.232.192.244]) by priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.netESMTP <20040329183253.FJVU29421.priv-edtnes04.telusplanet.net@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net> for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:32:53 -0700 Received: from d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2TIXOXG054222 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:33:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net) Received: (from sellis@localhost)i2TIXNXI054221 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:33:23 -0800 From: Sean Ellis To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sellis@telus.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:32:54 -0000 Hello, I have a very general question about backing up to tape from a remote computer. The tape drive is unfamiliar territory for me, and I'm looking for recommendations for a sequence of steps to take. Both machines are running fbsd 4.*, the local machine is a recent 4.9 STABLE, and the tape drive is a Conner CTD800R-S. Will it be possible, or advisable, to use a utility to back up over the net directly to the tape, or should we be creating a local mirror and backing up this? I know that these are very basic questions, but I felt that posting here in isp might give me a more informed response. Recommendations about utilities or howtos to look into greatly appreciated, -- thanks, Sean From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 12:16:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F367116A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from whitehall.lin-tech.net (whitehall.lin-tech.net [66.118.35.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8420743D1F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:16:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from thor.leetrans.com (leetrans.com [65.116.29.218]) by whitehall.lin-tech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E763BFE5F; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:16:48 -0600 (CST) Received: from buckhorn.net (bob_laptop.leetrans.com [192.168.200.29]) by thor.leetrans.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC17D4F38C; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:16:44 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <40688415.8060206@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:16:21 -0600 From: Bob Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sellis@telus.net References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd and fprot cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:16:45 -0000 Sean, Remote tape drives are native to FreeBSD. You just use rdump instead of dump. The man pages give most of the details, and the handbook has the rest. There are also scripting examples on mostgraveconcern and freebsddiary. You can email me off list if you need more help. Bob Martin Sean Ellis wrote: > Hello, > > I have a very general question about backing up to tape from a remote > computer. The tape drive is unfamiliar territory for me, and I'm looking > for recommendations for a sequence of steps to take. > > Both machines are running fbsd 4.*, the local machine is a recent 4.9 STABLE, > and the tape drive is a Conner CTD800R-S. Will it be possible, or > advisable, to use a utility to back up over the net directly to the > tape, or should we be creating a local mirror and backing up this? > > I know that these are very basic questions, but I felt that posting here > in isp might give me a more informed response. Recommendations about > utilities or howtos to look into greatly appreciated, > > -- > thanks, > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 13:12:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC53C16A4CF for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise.ecore.net (enterprise.ecore.net [212.223.99.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B726943D2F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cs@cheasy.de) Received: (qmail 18936 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 21:12:01 -0000 Received: from p50840181.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO www.cheasy.de) (80.132.1.129) by cheasy.de with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 21:12:01 -0000 From: Christoph Sold To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, sellis@telus.net Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:11:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:12:07 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 29 March 2004 20:33, Sean Ellis wrote: > Hello, G'day, > I have a very general question about backing up to tape from a remote > computer. The tape drive is unfamiliar territory for me, and I'm > looking for recommendations for a sequence of steps to take. Wise decision. > Both machines are running fbsd 4.*, the local machine is a recent 4.9 > STABLE, and the tape drive is a Conner CTD800R-S. Will it be > possible, or advisable, to use a utility to back up over the net > directly to the tape, or should we be creating a local mirror and > backing up this? Backing up remotely can yield _very_ unsatisfying results for several=20 reasons: =2D - If there is not enough bandwith, the tape "trashes": After backing up= =20 a few blocks, the tape has to stop, rewind, then re-synchronize and=20 append to the previously written data. This is _much_ slower than=20 nominal backup speed. =2D - If the network latency is too high, the backup software may get=20 confused and abort. =2D - If the connection is dropped during backup, may tools invalidate the= =20 whole backup. There are both commercial as well as open source tools dealing with this=20 situation. I used amanda (in the ports) to backup multiple remote=20 clients to one backup machine. Never experienced any data loss during=20 restore. > I know that these are very basic questions, but I felt that posting > here in isp might give me a more informed response.=20 Have a look at http://www.thestoragegroup.com/pubs.html , the links=20 there show many aspects of backup and recovery. Another hint, though: DDS (DAT) is not up to the job. I personally=20 ditched all DDS devices after multiple data loss events being caused by=20 worn tapes, never properly written tapes, over-aged tapes. Never=20 happend with DLT, though. HTH =2D -Christoph Sold =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAaIMHjGVuYEZ1RPYRAuy+AJ473q/Q5JXWodJu3aeO1y3pQVFT7wCfUkAr kOiW2k50MoiflSIxUO46+KE=3D =3DtPFi =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 13:48:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCCF016A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from whitehall.lin-tech.net (whitehall.lin-tech.net [66.118.35.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF12C43D48 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:48:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: from thor.leetrans.com (leetrans.com [65.116.29.218]) by whitehall.lin-tech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE7FFF0B; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:48:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from buckhorn.net (bob_laptop.leetrans.com [192.168.200.29]) by thor.leetrans.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196724F38C; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:48:03 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:47:38 -0600 From: Bob Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christoph Sold References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> In-Reply-To: <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd and fprot cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:48:02 -0000 Oddly, in the last 15 years or so, I've never had an issue with rdump and latency, even on the old 1.5m networks. IIRC, amanda uses dump too..... B Christoph Sold wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Monday 29 March 2004 20:33, Sean Ellis wrote: > >>Hello, > > > G'day, > > >>I have a very general question about backing up to tape from a remote >>computer. The tape drive is unfamiliar territory for me, and I'm >>looking for recommendations for a sequence of steps to take. > > > Wise decision. > > >>Both machines are running fbsd 4.*, the local machine is a recent 4.9 >>STABLE, and the tape drive is a Conner CTD800R-S. Will it be >>possible, or advisable, to use a utility to back up over the net >>directly to the tape, or should we be creating a local mirror and >>backing up this? > > > Backing up remotely can yield _very_ unsatisfying results for several > reasons: > - - If there is not enough bandwith, the tape "trashes": After backing up > a few blocks, the tape has to stop, rewind, then re-synchronize and > append to the previously written data. This is _much_ slower than > nominal backup speed. > - - If the network latency is too high, the backup software may get > confused and abort. > - - If the connection is dropped during backup, may tools invalidate the > whole backup. > > There are both commercial as well as open source tools dealing with this > situation. I used amanda (in the ports) to backup multiple remote > clients to one backup machine. Never experienced any data loss during > restore. > > >>I know that these are very basic questions, but I felt that posting >>here in isp might give me a more informed response. > > > Have a look at http://www.thestoragegroup.com/pubs.html , the links > there show many aspects of backup and recovery. > > Another hint, though: DDS (DAT) is not up to the job. I personally > ditched all DDS devices after multiple data loss events being caused by > worn tapes, never properly written tapes, over-aged tapes. Never > happend with DLT, though. > > HTH > - -Christoph Sold > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) > > iD8DBQFAaIMHjGVuYEZ1RPYRAuy+AJ473q/Q5JXWodJu3aeO1y3pQVFT7wCfUkAr > kOiW2k50MoiflSIxUO46+KE= > =tPFi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 14:02:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4744916A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.firstlink.com (mail2.firstlink.com [66.37.141.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DAC243D2D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:02:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dvm@firstlink.com) Received: from cerebrus (66-37-143-138.corp.firstlink.com [66.37.143.138]) by mail2.firstlink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71070E74AC; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:29 -0700 (MST) From: Dan Vande More To: Bob Martin In-Reply-To: <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1080597729.1256.77.camel@dvmgentoo> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Christoph Sold Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: dvm@firstlink.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:02:33 -0000 Some people/networks see no problems with rdump. In most cases, I myself would recommend amanda though. Amanda has the distinct advantage of being able to spool data to the "holding disk" at which point another utility writes this to the tape. This eliminates the t(h?)rashing Christoph mentioned. This is almost word for word out of the documenation. http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html Amanda can also be configured to compress on the client, and send to the server. This is much more efficient than transferring text files, etc. HTH, Dan Vande More From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 14:55:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2420E16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:55:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail16.txucom.net (mail16.txucom.net [207.70.175.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D849443D31 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:55:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: (qmail 16379 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from lfkn-adsl-dhcp-net1-197.txucom.net (HELO tardis.buckhorn.net) ([207.70.145.197]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.txucom.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Mar 2004 22:55:26 -0000 Received: from buckhorn.net (localhost.buckhorn.net [127.0.0.1]) by tardis.buckhorn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EC1E1B8F00 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:55:31 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <4068A962.9080000@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:55:30 -0600 From: Bob Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <1080597729.1256.77.camel@dvmgentoo> In-Reply-To: <1080597729.1256.77.camel@dvmgentoo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:55:27 -0000 I'm guessing that the reason that there are many options is that there are many [different] needs. I didn't mean to disparage amanda. It's solid code, and been around for years. Another option that has gained a lot of momentum and popularity is doing away with the tapes all together and just dumping to disk. Not a good fit for all, but an excellent fit for many. Bob Dan Vande More wrote: > Some people/networks see no problems with rdump. In most cases, I myself > would recommend amanda though. > Amanda has the distinct advantage of being able to spool data to the > "holding disk" at which point another utility writes this to the tape. > This eliminates the t(h?)rashing Christoph mentioned. > This is almost word for word out of the documenation. > > http://www.backupcentral.com/amanda.html > > Amanda can also be configured to compress on the client, and send to the > server. This is much more efficient than transferring text files, etc. > > HTH, > > Dan Vande More > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 15:02:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E8116A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C236643D2D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net) Received: from d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net ([216.232.192.244]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.netESMTP <20040329230219.VYEE5555.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net>; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:02:19 -0700 Received: from d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i2TN2sjZ055090; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net) Received: (from sellis@localhost)i2TN2m2k055089; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis) Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:47 -0800 From: Sean Ellis To: Dan Vande More Message-ID: <20040329230247.GD51870@telus.net> References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <1080597729.1256.77.camel@dvmgentoo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1080597729.1256.77.camel@dvmgentoo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: erik@microcontroller.nl cc: Bob Martin cc: Christoph Sold Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sellis@telus.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:02:20 -0000 On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 03:02:09PM -0700, Dan Vande More wrote: > Some people/networks see no problems with rdump. In most cases, I myself > would recommend amanda though. Thanks for this and the other replies. And the support to help get started, -- cheers, Sean From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 15:03:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EAFE16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gate1.excedent.us (load.excedent.us [69.20.58.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EED543D3F for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@peskin.org) Received: from [207.135.64.156] (PowerBook.hq.alink.net [207.135.64.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gate1.excedent.us (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0EB56C2FF; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:03:31 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <20040327113644.GB76881@ns2.wananchi.com> References: <20040327113644.GB76881@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4E84D96A-81D5-11D8-8787-000393D47F28@peskin.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Brandon Peskin Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:35 -0800 To: Odhiambo Washington X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Problem after recompiling apache X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:03:35 -0000 On Mar 27, 2004, at 3:36 AM, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > I get the following error in httpd-error.log: > > [Sat Mar 27 10:58:52 2004] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down > [Sat Mar 27 10:59:01 2004] [warn] make_sock: problem listening on port > 80, \ > filedescriptor (1074) larger than FD_SETSIZE (1024) found, you > probably need \ > to rebuild Apache with a larger FD_SETSIZE > > Try setting your CFLAGS variable to something like: CFLAGS='-O3 -mpentium -g -Wall -DFD_SETSIZE=4096' From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Mar 29 15:45:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F6516A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:45:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise.ecore.net (enterprise.ecore.net [212.223.99.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CED243D1D for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:45:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cs@cheasy.de) Received: (qmail 30480 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2004 23:45:17 -0000 Received: from p50840181.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO www.cheasy.de) (80.132.1.129) by cheasy.de with SMTP; 29 Mar 2004 23:45:17 -0000 From: Christoph Sold To: Bob Martin Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:45:08 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> In-Reply-To: <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200403300045.10562.cs@cheasy.de> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:45:23 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 29 March 2004 23:47, Bob Martin wrote: > Oddly, in the last 15 years or so, I've never had an issue with rdump > and latency, even on the old 1.5m networks. Right. I thought about cross-country connections when reading "remote". Doing remote backup across the same ether works for sure. > IIRC, amanda uses dump too..... Amanda dumps (or tars -- your choice) to a holding disk on the backup server. After enough data has been collected to stream to tape, the tape is started. Keeps the tape streaming. [snip] HTH - -Christoph Sold -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAaKb0jGVuYEZ1RPYRAsx6AKCX7OylLI5Q3ZLMElnv/TGWGnhqjACgs45d gTsIpmv4RvYxdwH4UqiftFQ= =jXF8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 11:31:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2299816A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from a.dotpix.com.br (200-101-099-012.bsace7034.t.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.101.99.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ED6C43D2F for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:31:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wendel@dotpix.com.br) Received: from localhost (localhost.dotpix.com.br [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dotpix.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B8FA1430; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:33:41 -0300 (BRT) Received: from a.dotpix.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (a.dotpix.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 50917-02; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:33:40 -0300 (BRT) Received: from dotpix.com.br (unknown [192.168.200.80]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by a.dotpix.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CD8A128A; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:33:39 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <4069CB06.8010801@dotpix.com.br> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:31:18 -0300 From: wendel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <1080597729.1256.77.camel@dvmgentoo> <20040329230247.GD51870@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <20040329230247.GD51870@telus.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.3.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at dotpix.com.br cc: Bob Martin cc: Christoph Sold Subject: HTTP SEARCH X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:31:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, I'm having big lines o my apache log with this: 200-101-079-097.bsace7022.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br - - [30/Mar/2004:16:29:27 -0300] "SEARCH 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\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\ Some one know about this? thanks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAacsFJPy0vkQi1D8RAiJ4AKCV5qQh6NVuxHBjCpF52b8nm2bBJACggvpI uzbSki6J30c04O/tPpAdKX4= =PqoL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 30 11:50:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F5D16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from anna.mysmt.net (anna.mysmt.net [82.150.137.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE40F43D39 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:50:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from erik@microcontroller.nl) Received: (qmail 56775 invoked by uid 89); 30 Mar 2004 19:50:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.6?) (microcon@microcontroller.nl@212.238.210.243) by anna.mysmt.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 19:50:27 -0000 From: "Erik @ MicroController.nl" To: wendel In-Reply-To: <4069CB06.8010801@dotpix.com.br> References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <20040329230247.GD51870@telus.net> <4069CB06.8010801@dotpix.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1080676229.5928.7.camel@ina.mysmt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:50:29 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HTTP SEARCH X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:50:31 -0000 someone just tries to hack the webserver this was probably lethal if it was a windows server.. ;-) with this you can strip 'em out.. awk 'length($0) < 5000' access_log > access_log.new On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 21:31, wendel wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi all, I'm having big lines o my apache log with this: > > 200-101-079-097.bsace7022.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br - - > [30/Mar/2004:16:29:27 -0300] "SEARCH > 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\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\xb1\x02\ > > > Some one know about this? > > > thanks. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFAacsFJPy0vkQi1D8RAiJ4AKCV5qQh6NVuxHBjCpF52b8nm2bBJACggvpI > uzbSki6J30c04O/tPpAdKX4= > =PqoL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 08:22:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CA916A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:22:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shenton.org (23.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEABC43D45 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:22:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 40659 invoked by uid 1001); 31 Mar 2004 16:22:05 -0000 To: Christoph Sold References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <200403300045.10562.cs@cheasy.de> From: Chris Shenton Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:22:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200403300045.10562.cs@cheasy.de> (Christoph Sold's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:45:08 +0200") Message-ID: <86wu51oukz.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Bob Martin Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:22:08 -0000 Christoph Sold writes: > Amanda dumps (or tars -- your choice) to a holding disk on the backup > server. After enough data has been collected to stream to tape, the > tape is started. Keeps the tape streaming. I've also used Amanda and like it for this reason. The only problem, and it can be a killer depending on your situation, is that each dump *must* fit on a physical tape; amanda doesn't know how to split a too-large dump across multiple tapes. They've wanted this feature for years but don't believe it's been implemented yet. (if so, let me know!) As someone else suggested, many folks are now dumping tape (pun intended) all together and backing up to disk. Tape's slow, expensive, and small compared to fast, cheap disk. I've been considering using rsync to a remote site's disk, and each day rsyncing to a different destination directory, e.g., Monday/, Tuesday/, ... Sunday/. That way I have multiple copies/versions of my data -- like you would on multiple tapes. The simplistic way of rsyncing (or copying) to one destination is that if you don't notice you've deleted that critical file until a couple days later, the copy will also not have it. Oh, if you're using FreeBSD-5.x, look into the cool "snapshot" feature. It creates a frozen read-only image of your filesystem at an instant in time. You can then back that up (however you want) without worrying about open files. You can also use as a "backup" in the case of users deleting file; obviously it won't protect you from a disk self-destructing. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 08:48:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76EE016A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:48:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from wjv.com (user38.net339.fl.sprint-hsd.net [65.40.24.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A905243D41 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 08:48:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: from bilver.wjv.com (localhost.wjv.com [127.0.0.1]) by wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i2VGmfhM090021 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:48:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv@bilver.wjv.com) Received: (from bv@localhost) by bilver.wjv.com (8.12.10/8.12.11/Submit) id i2VGmfGn090020 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:48:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bv) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:48:41 -0500 From: Bill Vermillion To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040331164841.GB89697@wjv.com> References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <200403300045.10562.cs@cheasy.de> <86wu51oukz.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86wu51oukz.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> Organization: W.J.Vermillion / Orlando - Winter Park ReplyTo: bv@wjv.com User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on bilver.wjv.com Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: bv@wjv.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:48:57 -0000 While Chris Shenton was trying to figure out why data written to /dev/null on Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 11:22 was not readable, he gave up and decided to grace us with this: > Christoph Sold writes: > > Amanda dumps (or tars -- your choice) to a holding disk on the > > backup server. After enough data has been collected to stream > > to tape, the tape is started. Keeps the tape streaming. > I've also used Amanda and like it for this reason. The only > problem, and it can be a killer depending on your situation, is > that each dump *must* fit on a physical tape; amanda doesn't > know how to split a too-large dump across multiple tapes. > They've wanted this feature for years but don't believe it's > been implemented yet. (if so, let me know!) > As someone else suggested, many folks are now dumping tape (pun > intended) all together and backing up to disk. Tape's slow, > expensive, and small compared to fast, cheap disk. I had one commercial client who never took the tape backups off site even though I insisted, UNTIL one day he read his insurance policy and found that his business interuption insurance would not cover loss of business caused because of lot data if he did not have OFFSITE backups. > I've been considering using rsync to a remote site's disk, and each > day rsyncing to a different destination directory, e.g., Monday/, > Tuesday/, ... Sunday/. That way I have multiple copies/versions of my > data -- like you would on multiple tapes. > > The simplistic way of rsyncing (or copying) to one destination is that > if you don't notice you've deleted that critical file until a couple > days later, the copy will also not have it. Providing you don't use the flag on rsync that tells you to delete files in the target if it no longer exists on the source. I rsync locally. I also had a client use rsync to move his web site from another provider to my machines, when he called and said "I don't have enough space allocated on the current machine to make tar files with out making very many and making them very small" So even though the rsync was cross country and took 3 or 4 hours it was far faster than any other method. But - the point I intended to make - is that backing up to tape might be a requirment in some instances that could be easily overlooked. I have one client whose new SW vendor was going to put in a new server and then backup the data locally to another. If there was a disaster there that took out both machines [and I've had two places that did have fire damage and one that narrowly averted disaster] then his business interuption insurance wouldn't pay for any losses because of lost data. In that case it was several orders of magnitude cheaper to have a tape backup and tapes. Eg $1000 for tape drive and backups versus high 6 figures for data loss. Just don't overlook the paperwork. 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Clear:RC:1:. Processed in 0.035078 secs); 01 Apr 2004 03:58:13 -0000 Received: from kk7xu.rf-link.com (HELO mh2k) (rickm@nidweb.net@66.225.0.82) by mail.nidweb.net (nidweb.net ESMTP) with SMTP; 31 Mar 2004 19:58:12 -0800 Message-ID: <014b01c4179d$ff9b7920$c84b14ac@mh2k> From: "Rick Miller" To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:01:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Bandwidth management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 03:57:04 -0000 I'd like to apologize up front for this, but I just have to vent... Anyone considering using the http://www.etinc.com bandwidth management product, please look at the licensing structure before you do so. And anyone who is currently using it should pay attention. I've been using this product for quite awhile, and it has served it's purpose. But a couple weeks ago the server was compromised and I had to reinstall the OS, I asked for information on getting a new license key issued I was told it would be $275. We had already paid nearly $800 for the product and was never very impressed with it. The $275 was for upgrades in addition to the new key being issued, I had asked if there were any alternatives to upgrading since I had no use for the newer features this was the response received: >Perhaps you should have read and understood the policy before you >purchased. Its been the same for quite some time. >I don't really need your business, so feel free to take a flying leap. >Dennis Again, I apologize to the list but this is just unacceptable and I thought others should be aware of the type of service offered by this company. --Rick From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 20:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D026416A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:15:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx2.bitstop.ph (mx2.bitstop.ph [202.91.161.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C7243D53 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:15:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from francisv@dagupan.com) Received: from mx2.bitstop.ph (localhost.bitstop.ph [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 153DF1F2089 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:15:23 +0800 (PHT) Received: from rizal.dagupan.com (mailserver.dagupan.com [202.91.161.131]) by mx2.bitstop.ph (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E9D1F204D for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:15:23 +0800 (PHT) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:15:26 +0800 Message-ID: <0A2BDFA8883B444A94079A564216ACB2037C66@rizal.dagupan.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Bandwidth management Thread-Index: AcQXnlisgN1fhBYvReyLaVwuMkxUSgAAFNTw From: "Francis A. Vidal" To: Subject: RE: Bandwidth management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:15:30 -0000 We've used BWMGR from Etinc before. I think the license is tied to the MAC address of your NIC that's why you can only use it one PC but of course, if you transfer the card to another PC, the license will still work there. I'm assuming you have kept the key somewhere safe. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Rick Miller Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:01 PM To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Bandwidth management I'd like to apologize up front for this, but I just have to vent... Anyone considering using the http://www.etinc.com bandwidth management product, please look at the licensing structure before you do so. And anyone who is currently using it should pay attention. I've been using this product for quite awhile, and it has served it's purpose. But a couple weeks ago the server was compromised and I had to reinstall the OS, I asked for information on getting a new license key issued I was told it would be $275. We had already paid nearly $800 for the product and was never very impressed with it. The $275 was for upgrades in addition to the new key being issued, I had asked if there were any alternatives to upgrading since I had no use for the newer features this was the response received: >Perhaps you should have read and understood the policy before you >purchased. Its been the same for quite some time. >I don't really need your business, so feel free to take a flying leap. >Dennis Again, I apologize to the list but this is just unacceptable and I thought others should be aware of the type of service offered by this company. --Rick _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 20:37:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCD616A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:37:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from denim.sensation.net.au (ethernet0-denim.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877EE43D31 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:37:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from satin.sensation.net.au (ethernet2-satin.sensation.net.au [203.20.114.242])i314M9vM020046 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:22:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from satin.sensation.net.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i314arOu002657 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:36:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) Received: from localhost (rowan@localhost)i314aqA0002654 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:36:53 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from rowan@sensation.net.au) X-Authentication-Warning: satin.sensation.net.au: rowan owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:36:52 +1000 (EST) From: Rowan Crowe To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <014b01c4179d$ff9b7920$c84b14ac@mh2k> Message-ID: <20040401143500.X1840@satin.sensation.net.au> References: <014b01c4179d$ff9b7920$c84b14ac@mh2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Bandwidth management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 04:37:07 -0000 On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Rick Miller wrote: > ... this was the response received: > > >Perhaps you should have read and understood the policy before you > >purchased. Its been the same for quite some time. > > >I don't really need your business, so feel free to take a flying leap. > > >Dennis If you can find an archive of freebsd-isp that goes back several years then you'll see that is pretty much Dennis' usual manner. Nice customer service, eh? Cheers. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 22:38:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CEE316A529 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:38:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from manor.msen.com (manor.msen.com [148.59.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01AF43D1F for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:38:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Received: from manor.msen.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manor.msen.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i316eMTq064184 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:40:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne@manor.msen.com) Received: (from wayne@localhost) by manor.msen.com (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i316eMN2064183 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:40:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wayne) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:40:22 -0500 From: "Michael R. Wayne" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040401064022.GP67839@manor.msen.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <014b01c4179d$ff9b7920$c84b14ac@mh2k> <20040401143500.X1840@satin.sensation.net.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040401143500.X1840@satin.sensation.net.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Bandwidth management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:38:24 -0000 On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 02:36:52PM +1000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > > If you can find an archive of freebsd-isp that goes back several years > then you'll see that is pretty much Dennis' usual manner. Nice customer > service, eh? Unlike a lot of people, I really appreciate Dennis's attitude. While I have had him lambaste me for being an idiot when I asked a stupid question, it's actually a welcome change to be work with a company that has sufficient confidence in their product to be that arrogant. His attitude is that if you are not sufficiently talented to be able to figure it out, go use someone else's stuff. You need to understand that he doesn't NEED your business - but if you ask nicely, he will sell to you. It's your responsibility to understand what you are getting into. And don't expect anyone at ETinc to do anything for you for free. Why should they? /\/\ \/\/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 22:43:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5020B16A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:43:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (outbound04.telus.net [199.185.220.223]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F7A43D41 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net) Received: from d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net ([216.232.192.244]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.netESMTP <20040401064259.WOLN18545.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net>; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:42:59 -0700 Received: from d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i316heFc063074; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:43:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis@d216-232-192-244.bchsia.telus.net) Received: (from sellis@localhost)i316hSej063070; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:43:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sellis) Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:43:23 -0800 From: Sean Ellis To: Chris Shenton Message-ID: <20040401064322.GA62696@telus.net> References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <200403292211.58942.cs@cheasy.de> <4068997A.9000400@buckhorn.net> <200403300045.10562.cs@cheasy.de> <86wu51oukz.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <86wu51oukz.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: Bob Martin cc: Christoph Sold Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sellis@telus.net List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 06:43:05 -0000 On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 11:22:04AM -0500, Chris Shenton wrote: > Christoph Sold writes: > > > Amanda dumps (or tars -- your choice) to a holding disk on the backup > > server. After enough data has been collected to stream to tape, the > > tape is started. Keeps the tape streaming. > > I've also used Amanda and like it for this reason. The only problem, I'm looking at the Amanda suggestions. Just to get the ball rolling I decided to make local copies of the more important files with rsync. Until the tape is installed and up. I copied a directory tree last night using -avz as switches, no daemon running; the files lost their ownership in the copying. I've been searching and doing some experimenting. Running rsync as a daemon on the backup server with uid = root in the rsyncd.conf seems to preserve the ownership. Is there a better way of achieving this? Most of the users and groups on the source machine don't exist on the destination machine. -- Sean From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 31 23:08:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B73716A4CE for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:08:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from pmbmail.wandata.com (pmbmail.wandata.com [196.25.220.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 23D2E43D31 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:08:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from moe@wandata.com) Received: (qmail 25493 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 07:08:06 -0000 Received: from moleman.za.net (HELO supermole) (196.25.220.190) by pmbmail.wandata.com with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 07:08:06 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c417b8$21573080$bedc19c4@wandata.com> From: "Allen Versfeld" To: References: <014b01c4179d$ff9b7920$c84b14ac@mh2k><20040401143500.X1840@satin.sensation.net.au> <20040401064022.GP67839@manor.msen.com> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:08:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: Bandwidth management X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:08:14 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael R. Wayne To: Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Bandwidth management > On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 02:36:52PM +1000, Rowan Crowe wrote: > > > > If you can find an archive of freebsd-isp that goes back several years > > then you'll see that is pretty much Dennis' usual manner. Nice customer > > service, eh? > > Unlike a lot of people, I really appreciate Dennis's attitude. > While I have had him lambaste me for being an idiot when I asked a > stupid question, it's actually a welcome change to be work with a > company that has sufficient confidence in their product to be that > arrogant. His attitude is that if you are not sufficiently talented > to be able to figure it out, go use someone else's stuff. You need > to understand that he doesn't NEED your business - but if you ask > nicely, he will sell to you. It's your responsibility to understand > what you are getting into. > > And don't expect anyone at ETinc to do anything for you for free. > Why should they? > That's fair enough. But... does he tell you to screw yourself before or after he's taken your money? From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 05:54:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2C316A4CF for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:54:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.day-light.net (day-light.net [64.37.72.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AF843D53 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 05:54:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from john@day-light.com) Received: from w1 (gabriel.day-light.net [69.27.46.22]) by mail.day-light.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C5850352B3 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:54:37 -0600 (CST) From: "John Brooks" To: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:54:37 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20040401064322.GA62696@telus.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: john@day-light.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:54:39 -0000 use the "--numeric-ids" switch -- John Brooks john@day-light.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Sean Ellis Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:43 AM To: Chris Shenton Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Bob Martin; Christoph Sold Subject: Re: tape backup from remote ... I copied a directory tree last night using -avz as switches, no daemon running; the files lost their ownership in the copying. I've been searching and doing some experimenting. Running rsync as a daemon on the backup server with uid = root in the rsyncd.conf seems to preserve the ownership. Is there a better way of achieving this? Most of the users and groups on the source machine don't exist on the destination machine. -- Sean From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 06:14:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398FA16A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from joyin.redynet.com.ar (joyin.redynet.com.ar [200.69.11.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 21DC843D5A for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:14:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@redy.net.ar) Received: (qmail 88689 invoked by uid 82); 1 Apr 2004 14:22:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO carlino.redy.net.ar) (200.69.11.9) by joyin.redynet.com.ar with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 14:22:01 -0000 To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" From: "..::--:Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta:--::.." Organization: ..::redynet::.. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:51:53 -0300 Message-ID: User-Agent: Opera7.23/FreeBSD M2 build 518 Subject: Antivirus X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:14:09 -0000 Hello, where i can download the virus.pattern files for messagewall i think is the same like CLAMAV -- Carlos Ariel Canta ::BSD::Admin:: Redynet S.R.L From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 1 13:01:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7916916A4CE for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise.ecore.net (enterprise.ecore.net [212.223.99.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 47EA043D2D for ; Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:01:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cs@cheasy.de) Received: (qmail 11010 invoked from network); 1 Apr 2004 21:01:03 -0000 Received: from p508403b6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (HELO www.cheasy.de) (80.132.3.182) by cheasy.de with SMTP; 1 Apr 2004 21:01:03 -0000 From: Christoph Sold To: sellis@telus.net Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 23:00:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040329183323.GC51870@telus.net> <86wu51oukz.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> <20040401064322.GA62696@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <20040401064322.GA62696@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200404012300.27578.cs@cheasy.de> cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tape backup from remote X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 21:01:10 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 April 2004 08:43, Sean Ellis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 11:22:04AM -0500, Chris Shenton wrote: > > Christoph Sold writes: > > > Amanda dumps (or tars -- your choice) to a holding disk on the > > > backup server. After enough data has been collected to stream to > > > tape, the tape is started. Keeps the tape streaming. > > > > I've also used Amanda and like it for this reason. The only > > problem, > > I'm looking at the Amanda suggestions. > > Just to get the ball rolling I decided to make local copies of the > more important files with rsync. Until the tape is installed and up. > > I copied a directory tree last night using -avz as switches, no > daemon running; the files lost their ownership in the copying. I've > been searching and doing some experimenting. Running rsync as a > daemon on the backup server with uid =3D root in the rsyncd.conf seems > to preserve the ownership. Is there a better way of achieving this? > Most of the users and groups on the source machine don't exist on the > destination machine. Both tar as well as dump keep uid and gid _numerically_. Restoring to=20 the original machine as root yields the expected results. If you use=20 newer features of the file system such as ACLs, keep in mind tar is not=20 up to the job -- use star from the ports instead. During restores, the restore job _must_ be run with root privileges --=20 otherwise restore maybe cannot write to a just restored directory.=20 rsync has its uses as project synchronization mechanism, but won't do=20 good when the user/group lists differ between machines. It was not=20 designed as backup mechanism, see? Regardless which backup application you use, it is possible to tunnel=20 the backup through ssh onto any remote machine. No need to cannibalize=20 rsync for remote backups. See=20 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-isp/2003-July/000793.html=20 and following, further googling turns up more results. HTH =2D -Christoph Sold =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAbILmjGVuYEZ1RPYRAhxOAJ0eo85gEcsQT2C46odVa5bIvvRlHgCgm+BB =46B9L2OxFa0DHq7kk55rt6wo=3D =3DeUnR =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 03:34:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5324F16A4D1 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gv.elitists.org (gv.elitists.org [64.40.88.206]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 149E943D1F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 03:34:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsdlists@elitists.org) Received: from elitists.org (h202.elitists.org [64.40.88.202]) by gv.elitists.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC93EC17 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 05:34:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <406D4FD0.1040500@elitists.org> Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:34:40 -0600 From: "F. Even" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Antivirus X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:34:42 -0000 Have you bothered trying "google.com" The home page for the site is found there, and if you bothered to read the FAQ, it explains this. ..::--:Carlos:::Ariel:::Canta:--::.. wrote: > Hello, where i can download the virus.pattern files for messagewall i > think is the same like CLAMAV > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 11:22:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAB916A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.9.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 388F243D3F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from latex-bugs.nospam@latex-project.org) Received: from sun.dante.de (sun.dante.de [134.100.9.52]) i32JMqvc001861 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:22:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sun.dante.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sun.dante.de (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i32JMoV5000396 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by sun.dante.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i32JMobJ000395; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 21:22:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200404021922.i32JMobJ000395@sun.dante.de> X-Authentication-Warning: sun.dante.de: gnats set sender to latex-bugs.nospam@latex-project.org using -f To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <200404021922.i32JMd68001843@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> In-Reply-To: <200404021922.i32JMd68001843@rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> From: latex-bugs.nospam@latex-project.org X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: Re: Re: Re: Your document X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: latex-bugs@latex-project.org List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:22:59 -0000 Thank you for your message to latex-bugs@latex-project.org. 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To prevent SPAM, you cannot reply to the sender address of this message -- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 2 13:16:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA9E16A4CE for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:16:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from pbx.org (pbx.org [198.247.172.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D9943D3F for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:16:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gus@pbx.org) Received: by pbx.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 46F5551F03B; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:16:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:16:57 -0500 From: august huber To: Felipe Neuwald Message-ID: <20040402211657.GD76917@pbx.org> References: <1079904472.3654.26.camel@buscape.linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1079904472.3654.26.camel@buscape.linux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: postfix + mysql and HORDE (again) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 21:16:59 -0000 inside imp/config/servers.php under the current server set 'folders' => 'INBOX.' it is in the comments of the config file.. as for turba, do you have your storage driver configured properly? (ie ldap server setup, or sql tables created configured properly) -- august huber pbx labs ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- " I'm a perfectly rendered facsimile of a Bohemian! " On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 06:27:52PM -0300, Felipe Neuwald wrote: > Hello Folks, > > Here I am again writing about my doubts in use of postfix + mysql + > postfixadmin + courier imap + horde + imp. > > I did IMP works with the solution above, but I still have one problem. > In IMP, the Sent-mail and Trash folders don't exist. When I try to > create any folder, I got this message: > > The folder "test" was not created. This is what the server said: Invalid > mailbox name. > > In turba, when I try to add one contact to "My Addressbook", I got this > message: > > Failed to connect to the specified directory. > > Anybody have any idea that can help me? > > Thanks, > -- > Felipe Neuwald > felipe@neuwald.biz > > "Mi espada desconocer?? su funda, > mientras dure el oprobio y la injusticia > que sojuzga a mi pueblo" > Sim??n Bol??var > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 3 19:13:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B949216A4CE for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [216.127.133.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8549D43D2F for ; Sat, 3 Apr 2004 19:13:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from filter@mail8.mdx.safepages.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9183118507D for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail8.mdx.safepages.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail8.mdx.safepages.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52800-08 for ; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:13:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: by mail8.mdx.safepages.com (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 25FAA1850B6; Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:13:31 +0000 (GMT) To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Abuse Department Message-Id: <20040404031331.25FAA1850B6@mail8.mdx.safepages.com> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 03:13:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mail.safepages.com Subject: [server bounce message] Regarding a recent mail delivery attempt. 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