From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 11 03:11:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37FD416A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:11:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from itesec.hsc.fr (itesec.hsc.fr [192.70.106.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F0A43D3F for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:11:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yb@sainte-barbe.org) Received: from taz.hsc.fr (taz.hsc.fr [192.70.106.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "taz.hsc.fr", Issuer "HSC CA" (verified OK)) by itesec.hsc.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E58D211F9 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:11:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by taz.hsc.fr (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9EAC43F28; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:11:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:11:22 +0200 From: Yann Berthier To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040411101122.GA21822@hsc.fr> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040407160825.GA44406@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Organization: Herve Schauer Consultants X-Web: http://www.hsc.fr/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: WHOIS Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:11:27 -0000 On Wed, 07 Apr 2004, Tim Wilde wrote: > On Wed, 7 Apr 2004, Odhiambo Washington wrote: > > > Hello people, > > > > I am lost as to where to do whois queries these days. It seems that > > every TLD extension has been assigned to some particular registrar (or > > what do I call it?) > > What is the sane way of doing whois for "any" domain extension > > (.com/.org/.biz, etc)? > > FreeBSD's WHOIS does this for you automatically. It works by using > whois-servers.net: > > dig com.whois-servers.net. +short > whois.verisign-grs.com. > 198.41.3.54 > > ANYTLD.whois-servers.net will CNAME to the appropriate WHOIS server for > that TLD. FreeBSD's WHOIS (for quite a few versions now) will > automatically try to extract the TLD from your query and query the > appropriate server, as long as you don't explicitly tell it one to use. > It will also follow referrals, so WHOIS on a .com will get you the .com > registry response followed by the response from the actual registrar the > domain is with. And if that fails, you can try to query the completewhois.com whois server, it does quite a good job - yann From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 11 09:06:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563916A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from krusty.intranet.com.mx (krusty.intranet.com.mx [200.33.246.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6261A43D4C for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:06:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jbiquez@icsmx.com) Received: from pc.icsmx.com ([200.33.246.31]) by krusty.intranet.com.mx (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3BG8tOj032909 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:09:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jbiquez@icsmx.com) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040411110627.028f2150@mail.icsmx.com> X-Sender: jbiquez@mail.icsmx.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:06:40 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Jorge Biquez Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: *OFF TOPIC Collocation Options Comments pls * X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:06:46 -0000 Hello all. In the last months some clients have been asking us about offering them collocation, web hosting, mail and in general all the services they can have from an ISP BUT outside Mexico. Some of them really do not care about what part of the world will be as well as the server is outside the country and the response, service, uptime and additional tools the get are the best. On this most of the clients contract us for administering all the site so a web interface, control panel, will be the best option but with work fine also to install the OS and that then accessing the shell I can configure everything. The idea if possible us to offer them all the tools we can, shopping, database, php, webmail, etc, etc. We would manage everything so a Control Panel would be nice as I mentioned. I was wondering if you can comment about what will be the best step to follow. Our idea is to start promoting these services more and more. We would like to start with a beginner plan if possible to test the services and performance and to see what would be the best option to offer , that's why we are considering to choose 3-5 companies and have the same services configured for 2-3 months. That way we can check for sure the best option. Once we decided the best one we would move most of our services there since here (Mexico city) the bandwidth is becoming VERY expensive. Just to give you and idea we are paying 4,000 USD for a 2 MB for an E1 (a little different than the T1 in USA). We are looking if possible for a company that offer us collocation providing the equipment. We would like to have FreeBSD or Linux and for some configurations we have we would like to have MAC OS X Server 10.2.8 or greater and OS X 10.3. Our needs on bandwidth are about 300GB per month to start. The idea also is to start offering services to clients at lower prices than we offer now. I was checking some providers like Valueweb. Their plans look fine but since this is my first contact on collocation I wanted to ask first here to see what are your experiences. We know there are lot of people offering solutions at VERY cheap prices (I have found some for 9.99!) but we would like to have the correct services for the correct price. So we are not interested in "unreal" solutions. I'm asking for your advice if possible: a) Maybe this one sounds stupid. If you are a reseller also. What companies could you recommend me to look for services? b) If you are a company that offer this services DIRECTLY. What can you offer me?. What are your prices, conditions and plans for resellers? c) If would be better for me to contract a rack and put my servers there, already configured by us exactly for what we want to offer? If you offer reseller plans or offer the service, please let me know all the convenient information about your services. Specially we would like to have information on plans and prices, conditions (if any) ,obligations (if any), benefits and this one is very important, contracts. The contract part is very important because we need to give the samples/templates of the contracts to our lawyers because we can not sign anything without their permission (a very bad experience with a foreign company a couple of year ago made us be cautious in all our new negotiations). I was wondering if some of you are interested in having another reseller. If so please send me all the convenient information about your services like prices,conditions,obligations,contracts, etc. Those interested answer me OFFLINE please :jbiquez@icsmx.com Thanks in advance and please contact me offline. I don't want to waste the bandwidht of the list. Thanks again for your time in advance. LSCA. Jorge Enrique Biquez Alvarez Consultant http://www.biquez.com http://www.icsmx.com http://www.pc.com.mx http://www.software.com.mx jbiquez@icsmx.com jbiquez@yahoo.com jbiquez@computer.org MSN Messenger: pccontacto@hotmail.com Homero 1610 PB Col. Los Morales Polanco CP 11510 (frente a Pabellon Polanco) Mexico DF MEXICO Tels. +52 55 5282-1012, +52 55 5282-0779, +52 55 5282-0289 Cel. 044-55-3132-0171 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 03:00:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2568A16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA5F43D39 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:00:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BCyFB-0001D6-00 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:00:45 +0200 Received: from as19-5-5.lk.bonet.se ([217.215.176.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:00:45 +0200 Received: from mc by as19-5-5.lk.bonet.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:00:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael Widerkrantz Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:52:23 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 10 Message-ID: <87ptado754.fsf@fuckup.i.hack.org> References: <20040404125111.GA74222@ns2.wananchi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: as19-5-5.lk.bonet.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:asc8ymhg0Zl2XnGYW2qbTrSTRc8= Sender: news Subject: Re: News Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:00:48 -0000 You might be interested in experimenting with my patched INN. I have added access control lists for newsgroups hanging off some user handling in Berkeley DB. I wrote a Perl module, News::INNAdmin and a CGI script, NAF, to go along with it. I'm running it in production, but a few things, especially the installation, are still flaky. Get in touch if you want to report any hazzles. MC From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 03:33:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875A616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F02643D31 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 03:33:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-isp@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BCykd-0001g9-00 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:15 +0200 Received: from as19-5-5.lk.bonet.se ([217.215.176.117]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:15 +0200 Received: from mc by as19-5-5.lk.bonet.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Michael Widerkrantz Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:13 +0200 Organization: Temple of the Moby Hack Lines: 17 Message-ID: <87hdvpo592.fsf@fuckup.i.hack.org> References: <20040404125111.GA74222@ns2.wananchi.com> <87ptado754.fsf@fuckup.i.hack.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: as19-5-5.lk.bonet.se User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Wr6BYPxQC7An5yq4Y81x9jSiJWQ= Sender: news Subject: Re: News Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:33:16 -0000 Silly me. I forgot the links. Sorry for following up on my own posting. INN according to MC: http://hack.org/mc/hacks/inn-2.4.1-mc.tar.gz The same thing as a patch against INN 2.4.1: http://hack.org/mc/hacks/inn-2.4.1-2.4.1-mc.diff.gz The News Administrator's Friend CGI and the News::INNAdmin Perl module: http://hack.org/mc/hacks/naf-1.tar.gz MC From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 07:04:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2881016A4D5 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.kde.gr.jp (kde.ics.es.yamanashi.ac.jp [133.23.237.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18EF443D45 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:04:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Kuser-admin@kde.gr.jp) Received: from mail.kde.gr.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.kde.gr.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 474E01F8391 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:04:51 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:04:51 +0900 From: Kuser-admin@kde.gr.jp To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-Id: <200404122304.FMLAAA13220.Kuser@kde.gr.jp> References: <20040412140449.52CE51F8035@mail.kde.gr.jp> X-MLServer: fml [fml 4.0 STABLE (20031217/4.0.4_ALPHA)] X-ML-Info: If you have a question, please contact Kuser-admin@kde.gr.jp; Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Subject: Subscribe request result (Kuser ML) X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kuser-ctl@kde.gr.jp List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:04:54 -0000 Hi, I am the fml ML manager for the ML . --Kuser@kde.gr.jp, Be Seeing You! ************************************************************ If you have any questions or problems, please contact Kuser-admin@kde.gr.jp ************************************************************ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 07:18:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6E016A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.wintek.com (mail.wintek.com [199.233.104.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5926643D4C for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:18:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjk@wintek.com) Received: from wintek.com (rjk.wintek.com [206.230.2.248]) (authenticated bits=0)i3CEIi2i077562 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:18:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rjk@wintek.com) Message-ID: <407AA4C5.50405@wintek.com> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:16:37 -0500 From: Richard J Kuhns Organization: Wintek Corporation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.1 required=7.0 tests=USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_UA,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Subject: NAT and traffic shaping X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:18:52 -0000 We have a customer (an apartment complex) who wants us to deploy a FreeBSD box that will handle NAT for 400 to 600 machines (so figure multiple connections per machine) and that can handle a steady 12 to 15 Mb of ethernet traffic, both directions. I'm sure we'll also want to do some traffic shaping. Would anyone care to offer suggestions/recommendations/horror stories about implementing this? Specifically, how hefty a box should we use (RAM/CPU), and which version of FreeBSD? We're mostly running 4.9-stable right now and it's been very reliable. I've installed 5.2.1 on a couple of boxes with no major problems, but they also haven't been heavily loaded. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. - Rich -- Richard Kuhns Wintek Corporation E-mail: rjk@wintek.com 427 N 6th Street Tel: +1 (765) 742-8428 Lafayette, IN 47901-1126 Fax: +1 (765) 742-0646 United States of America From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 10:38:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48E016A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org [198.22.63.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2938743D1D for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:38:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: from bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org (mwlucas@localhost [127.0.0.1])i3CHcQJQ013422 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:38:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost)i3CHcOwJ013421 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:38:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:38:24 -0400 From: "Michael W. Lucas" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Spam-Score: (0) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:38:28 -0000 Hi folks, I've already tried Google, and found a lot of discussions that are either a) old, or b) don't quite match our requirements. So: I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without creating user accounts. I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts of other nifty stuff. What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions from folks who have been there welcome. Thanks, ==ml -- Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org Today's chance of throwing it all away to start a goat farm: 49.1% http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 10:54:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FC2416A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fwall.in.markiza.sk (fwall.in.markiza.sk [62.168.76.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0867F43D45 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:54:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from corwin@pleiades.aeternal.net) Received: from pleiades.aeternal.net (pleiades.in.markiza.sk [192.168.13.7]) by fwall.in.markiza.sk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F86C22F82; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:54:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pleiades.aeternal.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pleiades.aeternal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4091703C; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:55:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from corwin@localhost) by pleiades.aeternal.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3CHtVGS030824; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:55:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from corwin) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:55:31 +0200 From: Martin Hudec To: "Michael W. Lucas" Message-ID: <20040412175531.GH24668@pleiades.aeternal.net> References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> X-Copyright: (C) 2004 Martin Hudec X-Operating-System: FreeBSD pleiades.aeternal.net 5.2.1-RELEASE-p4 i386 X-PGP-Key: http://www.aeternal.net/corwin_aeternal.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Hudec List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:54:31 -0000 Hello Michael, I use postfix+TLS with amavisd-new+clamav+spamassassin, it is easy to configure and administer, and I am planning to implement Cyrus IMAP on my 4.10-BETA system with mysql as backend for user accounts, but I must do some research for that :). I don't have any experience with sendmail at all.. Cheers, Martin P.S. Btw thank you for your Absolute BSD book, it helped me a lot and it still does :). On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 01:38:24PM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. > We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In > an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without > creating user accounts. > > I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter > interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts > of other nifty stuff. > > What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions > from folks who have been there welcome. > -- Martin Hudec | corwin at aeternal.net | corwin at web.markiza.sk http://www.aeternal.net | cell +421 907 303 393 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 11:01:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8424616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyweb.ca (smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com [216.152.192.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3516F43D55 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:01:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjohnston@skyweb.ca) Received: from omoikane.mb.skyweb.ca ([64.42.246.20]) by smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:01:42 -0700 From: Mark Johnston To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:01:41 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404121301.41643.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> X-Rcpt-To: X-Country: CA Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:01:43 -0000 "Michael W. Lucas" wrote: > I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. > We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In > an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without > creating user accounts. On a fairly small (15-domain) personal box, I'm running postfix with a PostgreSQL backend. The postfix smtpd_recipient_restrictions, virtual_mailbox_maps, virtual_mailbox_domains, and virtual_alias_maps are all stored in the DB. The POP3/IMAP is provided by courier-imap, which supports SSL, pulling the logins and maildirs from the same database table that Postfix stores them in. For me, mail accounts without user accounts was a requirement, and this scheme provides that nicely. What I wound up with was a users table that looks like this: id | crypt | home | maildir | uid | gid mark@xl0.org CRyptedpw / var/vmail/xl0.org/mark 525 525 The UID and GID are the same for all users, since there's no access to those directories other than by the mail servers. The home and maildir look that way to make postfix and courier play well together. I imagine MD5 passwords could be used, but I migrated this from a legacy system that used crypt. I realize this doesn't match your requirements exactly, since it doesn't use SASL (no relaying done at all), but the support is there in postfix. I haven't set up antivirus and mime-type filtering, but I did look at them once, and it seemed straightforward - there are plenty of packages out there that support postfix. > I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter > interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts > of other nifty stuff. I didn't consider sendmail for this project, mainly because I'd used postfix before and liked it. The postfix interface for plugging in virus scanners and the like strikes me as rather clunky, though - it's just a bunch of SMTP daemons chained together. I haven't included a whole lot of detail, since I did this mostly by tutorial - googling on postfix courier brings up the ones I used, mostly with MySQL, but it's interchangeable with Pg from a Postfix perspective. Mark From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 12:35:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8DAC16A4CF for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org (www.lambertfam.org [216.223.208.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7951E43D2D for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:35:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lambert@lambertfam.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F5D34D50 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.lambertfam.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (www.lambertfam.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12155-04 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laptop.lambertfam.org (ool-182db8f6.dyn.optonline.net [24.45.184.246]) by mail.lambertfam.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2292334D3B for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by laptop.lambertfam.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 5200EC108; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:35:16 -0400 From: Scott Lambert To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040412193516.GA31403@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200404121301.41643.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200404121301.41643.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at lambertfam.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:35:27 -0000 On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 01:01:41PM -0500, Mark Johnston wrote: > "Michael W. Lucas" wrote: > > I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter > > interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts > > of other nifty stuff. > > I didn't consider sendmail for this project, mainly because I'd used postfix > before and liked it. The postfix interface for plugging in virus scanners > and the like strikes me as rather clunky, though - it's just a bunch of SMTP > daemons chained together. I think I've read somewhere that milters limit the changes you can make to the messages in some way. It's probably not a big limit. I like the postfix approach because it is somewhat generic and flexible. Why invent a new protocol when SMTP will do it for you? You can take a postfix compatible content filter and sandwich it between any two MTA instances. They don't even have to be on the same machine. I'm running postfix with amavisd-new doing both spamassassin and two anti-virus programs (f-prot and clamav). -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org http://www.lambertfam.org/~lambert/resume.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 13:27:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFB516A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skyweb.ca (smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com [216.152.192.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B9643D1F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjohnston@skyweb.ca) Received: from [192.168.15.191] ([64.42.246.34]) by smtp-1.vancouver.ipapp.com ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 13:27:47 -0700 From: Mark Johnston To: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:27:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200404121301.41643.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> <407AF242.1020601@quip.cz> In-Reply-To: <407AF242.1020601@quip.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404121527.46330.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> X-Country: CA cc: isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:27:52 -0000 Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > Hi, I am running similar configuration on several machines (Postfix + > Courier-IMAP [with POP3ssl/IMAP4ssl] + MySQL). I have a guestion about > one general difference - unique UID / GID for each user. I guess it > provide more security, but also some troubles. If all virtual users > (stored in MySQL) have same UID/GID, postfix can be configured to create > maildirs itself with first incoming message. If each user has unique > UID, maildirs must be created manualy (or from shellscript) and chowned > to UID/GID. Exactly - that's the tradeoff. > My question: "If all virtual users have same UID/GID, is there some real > security risk?". Sharing UIDs and GIDs can have good or bad effects on security. On a server with no users logging in, like mine, it's moot; nobody (well, nobody who hasn't compromised the server) can get at the maildir storage on disk, so nobody (ditto) can play with the mailboxes. On a server where users do log in, you can go two routes: - Unique UIDs/GIDs. This makes things more convenient for the user, since they can use mail clients on the server and get right at their mail. If you want to have local mail clients work at all, you have to do this. - Shared UID/GID. In this case, the user can't get at their own maildir, and they'll have to use LDAP/POP3 over loopback to read their mail. It does make management easier, though. It sounds to me like you're working with a server where users don't log in, since you're using MySQL to manage user accounts. In that case, unique UIDs buy you essentially nothing. > I'll be glad to read if same UID/GID is secure or not, because I am > writing webbased administration tool in PHP and main problem is creation > of maildirs for new accounts. Same UID/GID could solve my problem. The only time that unique UIDs and GIDs are useful is when the user will be logging in locally, so you can just look in /etc/passwd, find the user's UID, and create the maildir with that. If the user doesn't have a system account, you've got no reason to start making up UIDs to give them one; just share a single UID. > PS: sorry for my bad english and a little offtopic message Since you say "offtopic", I assume you intended this for the freebsd-isp list, instead of private mail. I've taken the liberty of including the list in the Cc again, since security advice like this shouldn't go unreviewed. :) You might also want to move this thread to freebsd-security@freebsd.org, to reach people with more security know-how. > PPS: I'll publish webbased administration tool on sourceforge.net after > completition From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 14:46:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5D16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quip.cz (www.quip.cz [62.24.67.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2659743D5E for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:46:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from quip.cz (qwork.quip.dev [192.168.1.2]) by quip.cz (QuipMail) with ESMTP id E88422DEB1 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:41:57 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <407B0D26.9060201@quip.cz> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:41:58 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: cs, cz, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> <200404121301.41643.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> <407AF242.1020601@quip.cz> <200404121527.46330.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> In-Reply-To: <200404121527.46330.mjohnston@skyweb.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:46:05 -0000 Mark Johnston wrote: > Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote: > >>Hi, I am running similar configuration on several machines (Postfix + >>Courier-IMAP [with POP3ssl/IMAP4ssl] + MySQL). I have a guestion about >>one general difference - unique UID / GID for each user. I guess it >>provide more security, but also some troubles. If all virtual users >>(stored in MySQL) have same UID/GID, postfix can be configured to create >>maildirs itself with first incoming message. If each user has unique >>UID, maildirs must be created manualy (or from shellscript) and chowned >>to UID/GID. > > > Exactly - that's the tradeoff. > > >>My question: "If all virtual users have same UID/GID, is there some real >>security risk?". > > > Sharing UIDs and GIDs can have good or bad effects on security. On a server > with no users logging in, like mine, it's moot; nobody (well, nobody who > hasn't compromised the server) can get at the maildir storage on disk, so > nobody (ditto) can play with the mailboxes. On a server where users do log > in, you can go two routes: > > - Unique UIDs/GIDs. This makes things more convenient for the user, since > they can use mail clients on the server and get right at their mail. If you > want to have local mail clients work at all, you have to do this. > > - Shared UID/GID. In this case, the user can't get at their own maildir, and > they'll have to use LDAP/POP3 over loopback to read their mail. It does make > management easier, though. > > It sounds to me like you're working with a server where users don't log in, > since you're using MySQL to manage user accounts. In that case, unique UIDs > buy you essentially nothing. > Yes, I am one and only who has shell account (logging via SSH), users have FTP, POP3/IMAP/webmail, HTTP access and CVS (CVSd pserver throught SSL [stunnel]) > >>I'll be glad to read if same UID/GID is secure or not, because I am >>writing webbased administration tool in PHP and main problem is creation >>of maildirs for new accounts. Same UID/GID could solve my problem. > > > The only time that unique UIDs and GIDs are useful is when the user will be > logging in locally, so you can just look in /etc/passwd, find the user's UID, > and create the maildir with that. If the user doesn't have a system account, > you've got no reason to start making up UIDs to give them one; just share a > single UID. > > >>PS: sorry for my bad english and a little offtopic message > > > Since you say "offtopic", I assume you intended this for the freebsd-isp list, > instead of private mail. I've taken the liberty of including the list in the > Cc again, since security advice like this shouldn't go unreviewed. :) You > might also want to move this thread to freebsd-security@freebsd.org, to reach > people with more security know-how. > I am sorry for my mistake, I really intended this for freebsd-isp list and I'll send it to freebsd-security too. Thank you for your opinion. > >>PPS: I'll publish webbased administration tool on sourceforge.net after >>completition > > One more question - does anybody know some webbased administration tools for email accounts of postfix virtual users in MySQL/PgSQL? (I started writing my own, but I am still interested in comparison with other tools) -- Miroslav Lachman Webapplication Developer From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 15:07:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC8E16A4CF for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h2.liquidneon.com (h2.liquidneon.com [216.38.206.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B9F43D4C for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:07:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from so14k@so14k.com) Received: (qmail 57745 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2004 22:07:43 -0000 Received: from c-24-8-51-173.client.comcast.net (HELO hole.house.so14k.com) (brad@liquidneon.com@24.8.51.173) by h2.liquidneon.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 22:07:43 -0000 From: Brad Davis To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:07:13 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <407AA4C5.50405@wintek.com> In-Reply-To: <407AA4C5.50405@wintek.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404121607.13927.so14k@so14k.com> Subject: Re: NAT and traffic shaping X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:07:44 -0000 On Monday 12 April 2004 8:16 am, Richard J Kuhns wrote: > We have a customer (an apartment complex) who wants us to deploy a > FreeBSD box that will handle NAT for 400 to 600 machines (so figure > multiple connections per machine) and that can handle a steady 12 to 15 > Mb of ethernet traffic, both directions. I'm sure we'll also want to do > some traffic shaping. Would anyone care to offer > suggestions/recommendations/horror stories about implementing this? > Specifically, how hefty a box should we use (RAM/CPU), and which version > of FreeBSD? We're mostly running 4.9-stable right now and it's been very > reliable. I've installed 5.2.1 on a couple of boxes with no major > problems, but they also haven't been heavily loaded. Personally I'd go with 5.2.1 or better to get PF & AltQ after the merge from OpenBSD... although, I'm not sure when exactly AltQ was merged... Regards, Brad Davis From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 15:38:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04E516A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from telcommail.net (mail.telcom.net [200.80.13.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1946343D4C for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from akachler@telcom.net) Received: from telcom.net (host203.216.22.121.telcom.net [216.22.121.203] (may be forged)) by telcommail.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3CMamb8090621 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <407B1A06.4010308@telcom.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:36:54 -0400 From: Arie Kachler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:38:05 -0000 Hi Michael, I've researched mail systems myself for quite some time now. We currently use Sendmail + a custom pop3 server. We don't use system accounts. Sendmail is showing its age, mostly in the way it scales. It's difficult to integrate with any database backend. LDAP is your only solid option, but I'm no fan of LDAP. We are about to migrate from Sendmail and have considered Qmail and Postfix. Qmail is great. The only reason we did not choose it is because most features are patches of different authors and the quality and documentation of the patches varies. It makes us a little nervous to patch so much. So we've decided on Postfix+mysql+courier-imap. Postfix seems to have everything we're looking for: security, speed, sql backend, no system accounts, and quotas. We're still testing it, but it seems to behave very well under heavy loads. Regarding virus and spam filtering, we are doing it on Sendmail boxes now, which simply forward to other servers for pickup via pop. That will not change when we migrate since milter works well and there is no need for a sql backend on these boxes. We never looked at Exim. Some people like it. We just never got around to it so I can't give you any information on it. Hope the info helps. Arie Kachler >Hi folks, > >I've already tried Google, and found a lot of discussions that are >either a) old, or b) don't quite match our requirements. So: > >I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. >We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In >an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without >creating user accounts. > >I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter >interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts >of other nifty stuff. > >What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions >from folks who have been there welcome. > >Thanks, >==ml > >-- >Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org > >Today's chance of throwing it all away to start a goat farm: 49.1% > http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 15:44:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A44916A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fish.ish.com.au (adsl-52-22.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.52.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E225443D1F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:44:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from [203.29.62.8] (helo=neuro.net.au) by fish.ish.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDA94-00066p-NM; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:43:14 +1000 Received: from [203.29.62.159] (HELO [203.29.62.159]) by neuro.net.au (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 840338; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:44:11 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aristedes Maniatis Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:44:26 +1000 To: "Michael W. Lucas" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Scan-Signature: 664daa9bc3f445553ca2cf49fedf147c cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:44:32 -0000 We have sold Communigate Pro (http://www.ish.com.au/communigate) to customers with up to 30,000 accounts. Others run up to 100,000 on a single server, more in a cluster. It runs great on FreeBSD and that is the combination we usually recommend and use ourselves. It costs money, but you didn't say whether you wanted a free or commercial product. You also don't mention how many accounts you need to run, as that has a big bearing on the cost of a commercial offering compared to putting together the elements you need yourself (webmail, IMAP, SMTP, SSL, MAPI, etc). You can download a fully working version of the product for trial purposes. Cheers Ari Maniatis On 13/04/2004, at 3:38 AM, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. > We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In > an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without > creating user accounts. --------------------------> ish group pty ltd 7 Darghan St Glebe 2037 Australia phone +61 2 9660 1400 fax +61 2 9660 7400 http www.ish.com.au | email info@ish.com.au PGP fingerprint 08 57 20 4B 80 69 59 E2 A9 BF 2D 48 C2 20 0C C8 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 15:57:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047E016A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fish.ish.com.au (adsl-52-22.swiftdsl.com.au [218.214.52.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DF6443D45 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:57:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ari@ish.com.au) Received: from [203.29.62.8] (helo=neuro.net.au) by fish.ish.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BDALw-0006E6-9h; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:56:32 +1000 Received: from [203.29.62.159] (HELO [203.29.62.159]) by neuro.net.au (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 840345; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:57:28 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20040410170924.GA15943@laptop.lambertfam.org> References: <7E8A3A1C-8AA0-11D8-B20E-003065A9024A@ish.com.au> <20040410170924.GA15943@laptop.lambertfam.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Aristedes Maniatis Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:57:44 +1000 To: Scott Lambert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Scan-Signature: 556eb62266817c7308c6c0dded25f1cc cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: synchronising failover web servers X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:57:47 -0000 So, say you have to update /usr/local/etc/httpd.conf. Would your process be this: * checkout cvs onto your workstation * change httpd.conf * check into cvs * log into server * update cvs repository * run Makefile script which installs httpd.conf in the correct location from the cvs repository and then executes 'apachectrl graceful'. * repeat on secondary standby machine by running a Makefile which uses ssh to trigger a remote Makefile I've never really liked Makefiles, but I guess we could do something very similar with shell scripts. Thanks for the info. But what do you do about synchronising data directories (eg. /usr/local/etc/www/data). In those cases you very often can't put them into cvs. Do you use Unison or something similar? Cheers Ari Maniatis On 11/04/2004, at 3:09 AM, Scott Lambert wrote: > One word "Makefiles". :-) I have a lot of system configs in cvs. > Eventually I'll have all of them. Each subsystem config has it's > own directory and I have Makefiles setup to work the subdirs where > necessary. We check the configs out in our home directories on each > machine and run : > > $ make update install [test] [restart] --------------------------> ish group pty ltd 7 Darghan St Glebe 2037 Australia phone +61 2 9660 1400 fax +61 2 9660 7400 http www.ish.com.au | email info@ish.com.au PGP fingerprint 08 57 20 4B 80 69 59 E2 A9 BF 2D 48 C2 20 0C C8 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 17:21:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CAE16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spintime.org (mail.spintime.org [207.206.44.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EB2343D68 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:21:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cody@wilkshire.net) Received: (qmail 20680 invoked by uid 5020); 13 Apr 2004 00:23:30 -0000 Received: from cody@wilkshire.net by spintime.org by uid 0 with qmail-scanner-1.21 (clamscan: 0.67-1. Clear:RC:1(198.30.217.3):. Processed in 1.864725 secs); 13 Apr 2004 00:23:30 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: cody@wilkshire.net via spintime.org X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.21 (Clear:RC:1(198.30.217.3):. Processed in 1.864725 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO wilkshire.net) (spinnah@spintime.org@198.30.217.3) by mail.spintime.org with SMTP; 13 Apr 2004 00:23:28 -0000 Message-ID: <407B3285.4060006@wilkshire.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0400 From: Cody Baker User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <407B1A06.4010308@telcom.net> In-Reply-To: <407B1A06.4010308@telcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:21:57 -0000 Hello, I put my personal recommendation in to qmail. I have 10 + servers running qmail, some with 3000+ users. We use vpopmail for a mysql based single UID/GID solution. For POP3 access we're using the integrated qmail-pop3d, and courier-IMAP for IMAP. Virus scanning / MIME-magic is done via qmail-scanner and clamscan. Many people chose to use qmail-scanner with spamassassin as spam-gateway, although we've chosen to implement it with some custom scripting in the general area of qmail-local. I am particularly fond of qmail because once it's setup it's very easy to use, and is ROCK solid. It may not have been updated in years, but that's because there really hasn't been a call for it; it was rock solid and secure years ago and still is. The longevity is wonderful. I've installed qmail on machines years ago, and still haven't had the need to reinstall/update qmail. We've had machines which have been traveled from freebsd 4.1 to freebsd 4.9 through years of make worlds, but qmail is running on the same, identical, and secure source it was in the beginning. It does have a lot of patches, and yes, the documentation on some of the patches is lacking in places. At the same time there's a patch for almost anything you can imagine, so you don't have to wait for the developers of your favorite alternative MTA to incorporate the requested feature. One of the things I like the most about qmail is its incredible scalability. Qmail on a system of 4 users will run quietly and out of your way with a relatively small footprint. If your 4 users divide and multiply to 40, 400, 4,000, or 40,000 you can keep using qmail and it will keep up with you and your fans. Some really big names in mail use Qmail, "Yahoo! mail, Network Solutions, Verio, etc." according to qmail.org. Qmail is a tweaker's MTA, I haven't come across a mail situation yet where qmail hasn't had some appropriate place in the configuration. It's modular, so you can pick and chose the parts you want, remove, replace, or rearrange the others. I've heard good things about combining it with postfix, although I can't claim to have attempted this myself. Thank you, Cody Baker cody@wilkshire.net Arie Kachler wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I've researched mail systems myself for quite some time now. We > currently use Sendmail + a custom pop3 server. We don't use system > accounts. Sendmail is showing its age, mostly in the way it scales. > It's difficult to integrate with any database backend. LDAP is your > only solid option, but I'm no fan of LDAP. > We are about to migrate from Sendmail and have considered Qmail and > Postfix. Qmail is great. The only reason we did not choose it is > because most features are patches of different authors and the quality > and documentation of the patches varies. It makes us a little nervous > to patch so much. > So we've decided on Postfix+mysql+courier-imap. Postfix seems to have > everything we're looking for: security, speed, sql backend, no system > accounts, and quotas. We're still testing it, but it seems to behave > very well under heavy loads. > Regarding virus and spam filtering, we are doing it on Sendmail boxes > now, which simply forward to other servers for pickup via pop. That > will not change when we migrate since milter works well and there is > no need for a sql backend on these boxes. > We never looked at Exim. Some people like it. We just never got around > to it so I can't give you any information on it. > > Hope the info helps. > > Arie Kachler > > > > >> Hi folks, >> >> I've already tried Google, and found a lot of discussions that are >> either a) old, or b) don't quite match our requirements. So: >> >> I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. >> We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In >> an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without >> creating user accounts. >> >> I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter >> interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts >> of other nifty stuff. >> >> What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions >> from folks who have been there welcome. >> >> Thanks, >> ==ml >> >> -- >> Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org >> >> Today's chance of throwing it all away to start a goat farm: 49.1% >> http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwlucas/ >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 17:26:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CB2516A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:26:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burger.akwireless.net (burger.akwireless.net [192.189.218.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F3943D2D for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:26:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dee@akwireless.net) Received: from burger (HELO burger.akwireless.net) (127.0.0.1) by burger.akwireless.net with SMTP; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:27:32 -0800 Received: from 192.128.167.68 (unverified [192.128.167.68]) by burger.akwireless.net (VisualOffice 4.01) with WEBMAIL id 8548; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:27:32 +0000 From: "W.D.McKinney" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Importance: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Message-ID: X-Mailer: Mintersoft VisualOffice, Build 4.01.1003 X-Originating-IP: [192.128.167.68] Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:27:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:26:54 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: Cody Baker [mailto:cody@wilkshire.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 12:21 AM >To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? > >Hello, > I put my personal recommendation in to qmail. I have 10 + servers >running qmail, some with 3000+ users. We use vpopmail for a mysql based >single UID/GID solution. For POP3 access we're using the integrated >qmail-pop3d, and courier-IMAP for IMAP. Virus scanning / MIME-magic is >done via qmail-scanner and clamscan. Many people chose to use >qmail-scanner with spamassassin as spam-gateway, although we've chosen >to implement it with some custom scripting in the general area of >qmail-local. I am particularly fond of qmail because once it's setup >it's very easy to use, and is ROCK solid. I Hi Cody, You are correct as this is my experience also. The real problem is that it works so well I have forgotten a lot as I don't have to meddle with anything. For our twist, we installed a Brracuda Networks gateway in front of our MTA's and off-loaded the spam and virus stopping work, so qmail purrs. Dee t may not have been updated >in years, but that's because there really hasn't been a call for it; it >was rock solid and secure years ago and still is. The longevity is >wonderful. I've installed qmail on machines years ago, and still >haven't had the need to reinstall/update qmail. We've had machines >which have been traveled from freebsd 4.1 to freebsd 4.9 through years >of make worlds, but qmail is running on the same, identical, and secure >source it was in the beginning. It does have a lot of patches, and yes, >the documentation on some of the patches is lacking in places. At the >same time there's a patch for almost anything you can imagine, so you >don't have to wait for the developers of your favorite alternative MTA >to incorporate the requested feature. One of the things I like the most >about qmail is its incredible scalability. Qmail on a system of 4 users >will run quietly and out of your way with a relatively small footprint. >If your 4 users divide and multiply to 40, 400, 4,000, or 40,000 you can >keep using qmail and it will keep up with you and your fans. Some >really big names in mail use Qmail, "Yahoo! mail, Network Solutions, >Verio, etc." according to qmail.org. Qmail is a tweaker's MTA, I >haven't come across a mail situation yet where qmail hasn't had some >appropriate place in the configuration. It's modular, so you can pick >and chose the parts you want, remove, replace, or rearrange the others. > >I've heard good things about combining it with postfix, although I can't >claim to have attempted this myself. > >Thank you, > >Cody Baker >cody@wilkshire.net > >Arie Kachler wrote: > >> Hi Michael, >> >> I've researched mail systems myself for quite some time now. We >> currently use Sendmail + a custom pop3 server. We don't use system >> accounts. Sendmail is showing its age, mostly in the way it scales. >> It's difficult to integrate with any database backend. LDAP is your >> only solid option, but I'm no fan of LDAP. >> We are about to migrate from Sendmail and have considered Qmail and >> Postfix. Qmail is great. The only reason we did not choose it is >> because most features are patches of different authors and the quality >> and documentation of the patches varies. It makes us a little nervous >> to patch so much. >> So we've decided on Postfix+mysql+courier-imap. Postfix seems to have >> everything we're looking for: security, speed, sql backend, no system >> accounts, and quotas. We're still testing it, but it seems to behave >> very well under heavy loads. >> Regarding virus and spam filtering, we are doing it on Sendmail boxes >> now, which simply forward to other servers for pickup via pop. That >> will not change when we migrate since milter works well and there is >> no need for a sql backend on these boxes. >> We never looked at Exim. Some people like it. We just never got around >> to it so I can't give you any information on it. >> >> Hope the info helps. >> >> Arie Kachler >> >> >> >> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> I've already tried Google, and found a lot of discussions that are >>> either a) old, or b) don't quite match our requirements. So: >>> >>> I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. >>> We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In >>> an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without >>> creating user accounts. >>> >>> I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter >>> interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts >>> of other nifty stuff. >>> >>> What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions >>> from folks who have been there welcome. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> ==ml >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 18:39:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 945F716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:39:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail13.txucom.net (mail13.txucom.net [207.70.175.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E21C43D4C for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:39:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: (qmail 22459 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2004 01:39:41 -0000 Received: from lfkn-adsl-dhcp-net1-197.txucom.net (HELO buckhorn.net) ([207.70.145.197]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.txucom.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Apr 2004 01:39:41 -0000 Message-ID: <407B44D8.9070106@buckhorn.net> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:39:36 -0500 From: Bob Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael W. Lucas" References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> In-Reply-To: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:39:45 -0000 If you want something quick, easy and commercial, have a look at surgemail from netwinsite.com. Has everything you want, and is very reasonably priced. ($770.00 US for unlimited users) It won't scale well ~10k users per box (YMMV depending on hardware), but it can be clustered. Whole thing can be configured and running in under an hour. You get a really nice webmail interface, and the ability to "delegate" control. Very nice if you don't want to manage hosted domains. For open source solutions, we've had killer results with postfix/amavisd-new/spamassassin/f-prot, courier-imap and teapop. All can be used with a number of db's, from berkeley to oracle. We have one corporate client comfortably running this config on P3 1ghz with 256mb of RAM. The ~18,000 users are controled by SAP (SAP has a FreeBSD client for DB access) I noticed Communigate mentioned in this thread. It's a killer product, but too expensive. They don't lie when they say it scales well. One of the installs we've done has 9,000 users on a K6 2 500... Bob Michael W. Lucas wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've already tried Google, and found a lot of discussions that are > either a) old, or b) don't quite match our requirements. So: > > I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. > We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In > an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without > creating user accounts. > > I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter > interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts > of other nifty stuff. > > What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions > from folks who have been there welcome. > > Thanks, > ==ml > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 19:27:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87EDC16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Shenton.org (23.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EA0543D1F for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:27:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 10172 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Apr 2004 02:27:45 -0000 To: Cody Baker References: <407B1A06.4010308@telcom.net> <407B3285.4060006@wilkshire.net> From: Chris Shenton Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:27:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: <407B3285.4060006@wilkshire.net> (Cody Baker's message of "Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:21:25 -0400") Message-ID: <86k70kd332.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:27:47 -0000 Cody Baker writes: > I put my personal recommendation in to qmail. I have 10 + servers > running qmail, some with 3000+ users. We use vpopmail for a mysql > based single UID/GID solution. For POP3 access we're using the > integrated qmail-pop3d, and courier-IMAP for IMAP. Virus scanning / > MIME-magic is done via qmail-scanner and clamscan. I'm deploying a system for a client using qmail-ldap, openldap, and courier-imap. I plan on using sqwebmail for webmail. I've got STARTTLS on SMTP and IMAP, and also offer SMTPS, IMAPS, and POPS. Nice thing about this architecture is that you can have a handful of MTA/IMAP/POP boxes all delivering to a shared NFS-mounted backend mailstore -- very robust. I've also installed a qmail + vpopmail-based system for an ISP and it's been rock solid. I didn't need to use MySQL for this but could have -- or probably even LDAP for user accounts. I use the qmail smtpd viruscan patch http://www.qmail.org/qmail-smtpd-viruscan-1.3.patch to block all MS executables and have seen a dramatic drop in virii. Simple: if an an attachment's first line looks like a base-64-encoded version of an MS executable, it's rejected; doesn't rely on signatures, or purported suffixes, or forged mime-types, etc. I haven't done anything but looking at antispam solutions. Currently looking at DSPAM and CRM114 as they seem to be quite effective (10x human accuracy, they both claim). But I haven't yet done anything serious about integrating them, and haven't worried per-user configuration, quarantining, etc. I'd be interested what others have used successfully. Be careful if you're using SMTP AUTH, STARTTLS, or SMTPS and want to use an external anti-spam/virus product: I haven't found an antispam vendor yet that supports this, tho a couple have it in the works. If you integrate directly on your MTA boxes, it should be less difficult -- once you figure out how to integrate them :-) > I am particularly fond of qmail because once it's setup it's very > easy to use, and is ROCK solid. Absolutely. Nice not to worry about the frequent sendmail or less frequent postfix security fixes. "It just works". Not trying to evangelize here, just switched from sendmail years ago and won't go back. Learning curve's a little steep, all the daemontools and ucspi-tcp helper stuff but they do work better than the common equivalents (syslog, inetd, etc). From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 19:33:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B33F16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Shenton.org (23.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AE20043D31 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 19:33:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 10231 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Apr 2004 02:33:56 -0000 To: Aristedes Maniatis References: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> From: Chris Shenton Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:33:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Aristedes Maniatis's message of "Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:44:26 +1000") Message-ID: <86fzb8d2sr.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org cc: "Michael W. Lucas" Subject: Re: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 02:33:57 -0000 Aristedes Maniatis writes: > We have sold Communigate Pro (http://www.ish.com.au/communigate) to > customers with up to 30,000 accounts. Others run up to 100,000 on a > single server, more in a cluster. It runs great on FreeBSD and that is > the combination we usually recommend and use ourselves. It costs > money, but you didn't say whether you wanted a free or commercial > product. I plugged qmail-ldap in an earlier message, but in a previous life^H^H^H^H job we deployed Communigate Pro (on Solaris)-: and it was rock-solid and handled pretty heavy loads without burdening the server much. Good responsive online tech support and bug-fixes, feature additions. IMHO their web gui's a bit ... uh... primitive, but it's useable. At another ISP we supported, we deployed Mirapoint mail appliances and they were fine too, but I don't have much direct hands-on experience with them. Both are worthy commercial offerings, and I think better than most other commercial alternatives. Check communigate's web for some interesting tech-rag reviews and comparisons with other products. I would definitely advocate some kind of fault-tolerant architecture, whether it's tight clustering, loosely-coupled federation (qmail-ldap with shared NFS mailstore), or whatnot. Email's dead critical to users and you can't afford downtime. It's really sweet to be able to take down one MTA/SMTP/POP/IMAP/LDAP box in the middle of the day for an upgrade, and have no one notice. :-) From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 12 22:47:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD0616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psknet.com (kennedy.psknet.com [63.171.251.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DFA543D45 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:47:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from troy@psknet.com) Received: from pool-151-199-117-38.roa.east.verizon.net ([151.199.117.38] helo=tws) by psknet.com with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.20) id 1BDGlU-000FJr-2I; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:47:20 -0400 From: "Troy Settle" To: "'Michael W. Lucas'" , Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:47:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040412173824.GC13343@bewilderbeast.blackhelicopters.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcQgtQZLtyyc2lOhQmKD4dsZva9yggAYySWQ Message-Id: Subject: RE: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:47:21 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael W. Lucas > > Hi folks, > > I've already tried Google, and found a lot of discussions that are > either a) old, or b) don't quite match our requirements. So: > > I'm looking for a decent solution for a mail server software package. > We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, antivirus, and mime-type filtering. In > an ideal world, we'd have the ability to create mail accounts without > creating user accounts. > > I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter > interface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts > of other nifty stuff. > > What are people using these days? What sucks the least? Any opinions > from folks who have been there welcome. > > Thanks, > ==ml > > -- > Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, > mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org > Michael, In a previous position, I went from Sendmail to Postfix (cleanest replacement). I was very happy with Postfix and it's features at the time. I left that position to open my own company, and decided on Qmail+Vpopmail. This worked well for a time (about 2 years), but became cumbersome as I had to add patches (smtp check user, smtp auth, etc) and virus scanners. Towards the end, it was getting downright ugly. Last year, I built a new mail server using Exim Courier-IMAP. All user records are stored in a MySQL database, quotas are supported on both per-domain (kernel), and per-user (application) basis. Virus/Spam/MIME scanning us handled by the Exiscan extensions to Exim, allowing rejection at the SMTP level. Between Courier and Exim, quotas are fully implemented on a per-user basis, and by using separate UIDs for each domain, I can enforce quotas on a per-domain basis in the system. Having used the 3 major MTAs (sendmail/qmail/postfix) over the years, I'm here to tell you that you absolutely cannot go wrong with Exim. Once I had this thing built, it was literally forgotten until recently when some topics came up on the exim list that prompted me to make a few minor changes to the config, which increased performance enough that I got more than a few comments on it. Finally, on the pop3/imap side, I've used UW, qpopper, cucipop, tpop, cyrus, qmail-pop3d, and Courier-IMAP. I really enjoyed learning about Cyrus and getting it going, but I found it to be far too complex at the time (in like 98?) to be of practical use to me. IMO, Courier-IMAP is hands-down the best thing you can do for your mail server, no matter which MTA you end up going with. Good luck, -- Troy Settle Pulaski Networks http://www.psknet.com 866.477.5638 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 00:56:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4F616A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.octapharma.se (smtp.octapharma.se [195.198.168.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96EA343D5A for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:56:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Mikael.Gunnarsson@octapharma.se) Received: from sestosrv004p.ad.octapharma.se ([195.198.13.61] RDNS failed) by smtp.octapharma.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:00:09 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:56:32 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: mail server recommendations? Thread-Index: AcQgtQtXgVmCOSIRSVmRV+YO9xPmYQAdtatA From: "Gunnarsson, Mikael" To: "Michael W. Lucas" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Apr 2004 08:00:09.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[576C5960:01C4212D] Subject: RE: mail server recommendations? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:56:37 -0000 I run Exim with ClamAV and SpamAssassin, which in turn delivers to Cyru= s. Works like a charm, and it's really easy to set up from ports. With th= e exiscan features in Exim (compiled in per default in the port) it hooks= neatly into ClamAV and SA and other av/antispam software as well, so you= don't have to write a lot of custom directors and transports.. I have= n't tried it in a large-scale installation though, the personal server I = run it on now only handles about 20 accounts or so. Rocky > -----= Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > [mailto:o= wner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Michael W. Lucas > Sent: den 1= 2 april 2004 19:38 > To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org > Subject: mail server= recommendations? > > > > Hi folks, > > I've already tried Goog= le, and found a lot of discussions that are > either a) old, or b) don't= quite match our requirements. So: > > I'm looking for a decent solut= ion for a mail server software package. > We need SASL, IMAP, pop3ssl, a= ntivirus, and mime-type filtering. In > an ideal world, we'd have the a= bility to create mail accounts without > creating user accounts. > > = I have to admit that I'm partial to sendmail simply for the milter > int= erface that lets me plug in, say, MIMEDefang, clamav, and all sorts > of= other nifty stuff. > > What are people using these days? What sucks = the least? Any opinions > from folks who have been there welcome. > = > Thanks, > =3D=3Dml > > -- > Michael Lucas mwlucas@FreeBSD.org, = > mwlucas@BlackHelicopters.org > > Today's chance of throwing it all a= way to start a goat farm: 49.1% > http://www.BlackHelicopters.org/~mwl= ucas/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@f= reebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/free= bsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@free= bsd.org" > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidenti= al and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom th= ey are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify = the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is= intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named address= ee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 05:57:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75ABA16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from annapolislinux.org (alinux.washcoll.edu [192.146.226.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC5743D4C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:57:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tjk@annapolislinux.org) Received: by annapolislinux.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E4F7C00234; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 08:57:05 -0400 From: Theodore Knab To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040413125705.GA22952@annapolislinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Organization: Annapolis LUG Subject: bridge with ipf or ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:57:06 -0000 I was wondering which firewall application works better with bridged fire-walls. Currently, I have a basic familiarity with ipfw and ipf. -- ------------------------------------------ Ted Knab Chester, Maryland 21619 USA ------------------------------------------ Conquest is easy. Control is not. -- Kirk, "Mirror, Mirror", stardate unknown From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 06:36:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6580116A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spoon.dreamhost.com (spoon.dreamhost.com [66.33.219.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5545C43D41 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:36:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frederick@frederick.com.br) Received: from frederick (MG034087.user.veloxzone.com.br [200.165.34.87]) by spoon.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5072F13D83E; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Renato Frederick" To: "'Theodore Knab'" , Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:36:26 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20040413125705.GA22952@annapolislinux.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2082 Thread-Index: AcQhWBqUAuP/cWIkQVmgVFJvMLrS9wABBxFg Message-Id: <20040413133631.5072F13D83E@spoon.dreamhost.com> Subject: RES: bridge with ipf or ipfw X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:36:29 -0000 I'm using IPFW with freebsd bridges and very happy with performance. owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org escreveu em ter=E7a-feira, 13 de abril de = 2004 09:57: > I was wondering which firewall application works better with bridged > fire-walls. 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Subject: CRAM-MD5 support in Outlook Express? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:01:18 -0000 Hello, We're a small ISP (~13,000 email accounts) and I would really like to see us move away from cleartext passwords for our POP3 service. I am currently interested in using CRAM-MD5 authentication, as I already know I will be installing Courier's POP3 daemon, and I've read that it supports CRAM-MD5. I mentioned this idea on a different mailing list, and was told that Outlook Express (which I *must* support) does not have CRAM-MD5 support. However, a friend who is knowledgeable in crypto field told me that CRAM-MD5 has been around a long time, and that he doubts that OE lacks support for it. So I'm writing with two hopes: 1) That someone will confirm or disconfirm the prior assertion that OE does not support CRAM-MD5. 2) That if such support is lacking, perhaps someone else can give me a different idea for getting rid of plaintext authentication for POP3. With thanks and regards, John -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | John Fox | System Administrator | InfoStructure | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | I used to trust the media to tell me the truth, tell us the truth | | But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look | | Who can you trust when everyone's a crook? | | -- Queensryche, "Revolution Calling" | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 10:23:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 969C016A4D7 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [81.255.84.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327F643D54 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:23:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from VirusGate.MEIway.com (virusgate.meiway.com [81.255.84.76]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id CF87D471898 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:24:10 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.MEIWay.com [127.0.0.1]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6415F3866D2 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:24:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) X-AV-Checked: Tue Apr 13 19:24:07 2004 virusgate.meiway.com Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [81.255.84.73]) by VirusGate.MEIway.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 440703866BE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:24:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from tx2.Go2France.com [24.242.169.54] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A1CBCBB03E0; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:22:19 +0200 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040413122242.01e5aec0@81.255.84.73> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@81.255.84.73 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:23:19 -0500 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad In-Reply-To: <20040413170226.GH6087@mind.net> References: <20040413170226.GH6087@mind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: CRAM-MD5 support in Outlook Express? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:23:32 -0000 >We're a small ISP (~13,000 email accounts) and I would really like to see >us move away from cleartext passwords for our POP3 service. Does OE support APOP? Len _____________________________________________________________________ http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training : Atlanta; SFO; Denver; NYC http://IMGate.MEIway.com : free anti-spam gateway, runs on 1000's of sites From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 10:24:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B300F16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (manganese.bos.dyndns.org [63.208.196.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E5543D5C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.org) Received: from manganese.bos.dyndns.org (twilde@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3DHOsdQ020589 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:24:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from twilde@dyndns.org) Received: from localhost (twilde@localhost)i3DHOssS020586 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:24:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: manganese.bos.dyndns.org: twilde owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Wilde X-X-Sender: twilde@manganese.bos.dyndns.org To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040413170226.GH6087@mind.net> Message-ID: References: <20040413170226.GH6087@mind.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: -4.9 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Subject: Re: CRAM-MD5 support in Outlook Express? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:24:55 -0000 On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, John Fox wrote: > So I'm writing with two hopes: > > 1) That someone will confirm or disconfirm the prior assertion that > OE does not support CRAM-MD5. > > 2) That if such support is lacking, perhaps someone else can give > me a different idea for getting rid of plaintext authentication > for POP3. Have you considered offering POP3 via SSL only? Outlook Express, and pretty much everything else, support that just fine, and you can still use the "plaintext" authentication methods, but simply have them protected by your SSL session. Alternately, if your POP3 server supports it, you could offer CRAM-MD5 only via non-SSL, and all authentication methods via SSL, to cope with clients that support CRAM-MD5 but not SSL. Tim Wilde -- Tim Wilde twilde@dyndns.org Systems Administrator Dynamic Network Services, Inc. http://www.dyndns.org/ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 10:40:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C19F116A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from quip.cz (www.quip.cz [62.24.67.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E74243D53 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from 000.fbsd@quip.cz) Received: from quip.cz (qwork.quip.test [192.168.1.2]) by quip.cz (QuipMail) with ESMTP id 400ED2E01D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:40:32 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <407C2612.8080509@quip.cz> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:40:34 +0200 From: Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: cs, cz, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040413170226.GH6087@mind.net> In-Reply-To: <20040413170226.GH6087@mind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: CRAM-MD5 support in Outlook Express? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:40:34 -0000 This link could be useful for you http://www.security.nnov.ru/advisories/oespa.asp "Outlook Express doesn't support CRAM-MD5 or APOP..." I agree with Tim Wilde - SSL can solve this problem. Miroslav Lachman John Fox wrote: > Hello, > > We're a small ISP (~13,000 email accounts) and I would really like to see > us move away from cleartext passwords for our POP3 service. I am currently > interested in using CRAM-MD5 authentication, as I already know I will be > installing Courier's POP3 daemon, and I've read that it supports CRAM-MD5. > > I mentioned this idea on a different mailing list, and was told that > Outlook Express (which I *must* support) does not have CRAM-MD5 support. > However, a friend who is knowledgeable in crypto field told me that > CRAM-MD5 has been around a long time, and that he doubts that OE lacks > support for it. > > So I'm writing with two hopes: > > 1) That someone will confirm or disconfirm the prior assertion that > OE does not support CRAM-MD5. > > 2) That if such support is lacking, perhaps someone else can give > me a different idea for getting rid of plaintext authentication > for POP3. > > With thanks and regards, > > John > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | John Fox | System Administrator | InfoStructure | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | I used to trust the media to tell me the truth, tell us the truth | > | But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look | > | Who can you trust when everyone's a crook? | > | -- Queensryche, "Revolution Calling" | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Miroslav Lachman Webapplication Developer From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 11:02:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773B916A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from morpheus.mind.net (morpheus.mind.net [69.9.130.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30B2843D39 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfox@morpheus.mind.net) Received: (qmail 13677 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Apr 2004 18:03:23 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:03:23 -0700 From: John Fox To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Quip: Fly the white flag of war! Subject: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:02:13 -0000 We've got a Windows machine running IMail and authenticating POP3 from an NT Primary Domain Controller. Our plan is to move these users over to our UNIX system, but we don't have a record of their passwords. This means we need to either 1) Grab them out of the files on the PDC. (I think this is not possible.) 2) Obtain them by sniffing the POP3 traffic being sent to the Imail server. I think #2 is the only possibility, and I haven't made much use of tcpdump, so while I do know how to run it and specify a host to listen to, I've no idea how to isolate the clear-text stuff (containing the usernames and passwords) from all the other traffic. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. With thanks and regards, -John -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | John Fox | System Administrator | InfoStructure | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | I used to trust the media to tell me the truth, tell us the truth | | But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look | | Who can you trust when everyone's a crook? | | -- Queensryche, "Revolution Calling" | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 11:34:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C5916A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.icnspot.net (icnspot.net [62.68.63.42]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2D543D60 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from putinas.piliponis@icnspot.net) Received: from freebsd.icnspot.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kavanti.icnspot.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D3B7415358; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:34:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from pilkisnote (pilkisnote.spo-tripoli.local [192.168.100.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail1.icnspot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1586152F5; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:34:23 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <000d01c42185$f15c9500$0464a8c0@spotripoli.local> From: "Putinas Piliponis" To: "John Fox" , References: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:34:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1251"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2096 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2096 Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:34:36 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Fox" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 20:03 Subject: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? > We've got a Windows machine running IMail and authenticating > POP3 from an NT Primary Domain Controller. > > Our plan is to move these users over to our UNIX system, but we > don't have a record of their passwords. This means we need to > either > > 1) Grab them out of the files on the PDC. (I think this is > not possible.) > It's very possible and very easy actually. Use the program pwdump3 on the pdc and you will get dump suitable for john the ripper password cracker. after a while you will have all the passwords. ( or as well cain, Lopht cracker or any other ) and your method two probably is more complex, because if its using authentification mechanism on domain - they are not plain passwords as well > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 11:34:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1808A16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tcbug.org (12-218-40-24.client.mchsi.com [12.218.40.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E633543D39 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from friar_josh@ns1.tcbug.org) Received: by ns1.tcbug.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 3E83ABAEB; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:34:12 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:34:12 -0500 From: Josh Paetzel To: John Fox Message-ID: <20040413183412.GB43303@ns1.tcbug.org> References: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:34:52 -0000 > Our plan is to move these users over to our UNIX system, but we > don't have a record of their passwords. This means we need to > either > > 2) Obtain them by sniffing the POP3 traffic being sent > to the Imail server. > > -John You may wish to try out sniff from the ports tree. ;) Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 11:37:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E95816A4FB for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unix18.sihope.com (unix18.sihope.com [207.195.195.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED56643D1F for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:37:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) Received: from unixws1 (unixws1.sihope.com [207.195.195.190]) by unix18.sihope.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3DIbWS0082210; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:37:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adamm@sihope.com) From: Adam Maloney To: John Fox In-Reply-To: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> References: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1081881451.14526.77.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:37:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:37:35 -0000 I've done this in the past. I had tcpdump spitting out all the dst port 110 packets to a file. Then a perl script with Net::TCPDump (or whatever it's called) to parse it. I will dig today and see if I can find some of this stuff. On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 13:03, John Fox wrote: > We've got a Windows machine running IMail and authenticating > POP3 from an NT Primary Domain Controller. > > Our plan is to move these users over to our UNIX system, but we > don't have a record of their passwords. This means we need to > either > > 1) Grab them out of the files on the PDC. (I think this is > not possible.) > > 2) Obtain them by sniffing the POP3 traffic being sent > to the Imail server. > > I think #2 is the only possibility, and I haven't made much > use of tcpdump, so while I do know how to run it and > specify a host to listen to, I've no idea how to isolate > the clear-text stuff (containing the usernames and passwords) > from all the other traffic. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > With thanks and regards, > > -John > -- > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | John Fox | System Administrator | InfoStructure | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | I used to trust the media to tell me the truth, tell us the truth | > | But now I've seen the payoffs everywhere I look | > | Who can you trust when everyone's a crook? | > | -- Queensryche, "Revolution Calling" | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 12:20:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00D6E16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55C443D60 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 28E8611E8AA; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:20:36 -0700 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040413192036.GA57348@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> <1081881451.14526.77.camel@unixws1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1081881451.14526.77.camel@unixws1> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:20:37 -0000 On Tue, Apr 13, 2004, Adam Maloney wrote: >I've done this in the past. I had tcpdump spitting out all the dst port >110 packets to a file. Then a perl script with Net::TCPDump (or >whatever it's called) to parse it. The tcpflow program makes this far easier as it separates each connection out into its own file. The command line options for tcpflow are about the same as tcpdump. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ It's very glamorous to raise millions of dollars, until it's time for the venture capitalist to suck your eyeballs out. -- Peter Kennedy, chairman of Kraft & Kennedy. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 12:39:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF16D16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx2.dobleJ.net (243.Red-213-97-10.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.10.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A049443D1D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:39:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from juanjo.listas@dobleJ.net) X-Server: Reenviado via mx2.dobleJ.net From: Juan Jose Sanchez Mesa To: X-Mailer: PocoMail 3.03 (1740) - Licensed Version Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:39:04 +0200 Message-ID: <200441321394.550864@juanjo> In-Reply-To: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:39:26 -0000 > 2) Obtain them by sniffing the POP3 traffic being sent > to the Imail server. You can do it directly at the Windows machine. Just use PassDetect at= http://www.effetech.com/aps/ It can capture POP3 passwords at real time. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 12:46:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D745A16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail34.intelnet.net.gt (mail34.intelnet.net.gt [216.230.128.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DDB243D4C for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:46:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pablovargas@intelnett.com) Received: from intelnett.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail34.intelnet.net.gt (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA18650 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:04:14 +0600 (GMT) From: "pablovargas" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:35:25 -0600 Message-Id: <20040413143525.M52407@intelnett.com> X-Mailer: intelNet WebMail 1 20020613 X-OriginatingIP: 205.161.188.55 (pablovargas) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Subject: soundcard X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 19:46:18 -0000 hi, I'am a real newbie, from Guatemala, and i got my first question, how can i know if mi soundcard is properly configured, since I tray to play a song using xmms and a message appears like this ""Please check that: your soundcard is configured properly, you have the correct output plugin selected, no other application is blocking the sound card"", please help me and excuse my not very good english, thank to everybody. Adios. intelNet WebMail From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 13:10:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF85A16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.albury.net.au (giroc.albury.NET.AU [203.15.244.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B0E443D5F for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:10:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-lists@albury.net.au) Received: from giroc.albury.net.au (giroc.albury.net.au [203.15.244.13]) by mail.albury.net.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id i3DKAo387180; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:10:50 +1000 (EST) X-Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:10:49 +1000 (EST) From: X-X-Sender: To: John Fox In-Reply-To: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:10:58 -0000 On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, John Fox wrote: > 2) Obtain them by sniffing the POP3 traffic being sent > to the Imail server. > > I think #2 is the only possibility, and I haven't made much > use of tcpdump, so while I do know how to run it and > specify a host to listen to, I've no idea how to isolate > the clear-text stuff (containing the usernames and passwords) > from all the other traffic. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I had to do this some years back, here's the rude, crude and unattractive script I wrote then: # cat sniff.pop.passwords #! /bin/sh log=sniffed.passwords.log mailhost="mail" # Hostname of whichever host receives your incomming mail tcpdump -lnx -s 256 dst port 110 and host $mailhost 2>/dev/null | awk ' BEGIN{ lut="123456789abcdef" } />/ { IP=$2; n=0; len=0; c=""; } { if(n==1) for(x=1; x<=4; x++) len=len*16+index(lut,substr($2,x,1)); if(++n>3 && len>20) { for(i=(n==4)*4+1; i<=NF; i++) c=sprintf("%s%c%c",c, index(lut,substr($i,1,1))*16+index(lut,substr($i,2,1)), index(lut,substr($i,3,1))*16+index(lut,substr($i,4,1))) if(length(c) >= len-40) { sub("\.[0-9]*$","",IP); v=substr(c,6); gsub("[^a-zA-Z0-9]","",v) if(substr(c,1,5)=="USER ") usr[IP]=v; if(substr(c,1,5)=="PASS " && usr[IP]) { printf("%s %-16.16s %10s - %s\n", strftime("%d-%b-%Y %H:%M:%S"), IP, usr[IP], v); usr[IP]="" } } } }' From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 14:37:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2542B16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fatcity.com (rrcs-west-66-27-56-211.biz.rr.com [66.27.56.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C466C43D54 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:37:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from listguru@fatcity.com) Received: by fatcity.com (wcMail) id 51023W Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:34:09 -0700 From: listguru@fatcity.com Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:34:01 -0700 Message-Id: <1081892045@fatcity.com> Organization: Fat City Hosting, San Diego, California, USA To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailer: wcMail v5.4.449.1 Subject: Response to your ListGuru session [MsgId AA20040413.143401.5] X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:37:36 -0000 -- >>>> Here is the file. Unrecognized command -- skipping. Use HELP for assistance. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 23:28:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B860516A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu (flash.mipk.kharkiv.edu [194.44.157.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0086343D1D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from artem@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Received: from mipk.kharkiv.edu (rainbow.mipk.kharkiv.edu [192.168.9.241]) i3E6QkOL007799; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:26:47 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from artem@mipk.kharkiv.edu) Message-ID: <407CD9A6.8000403@mipk.kharkiv.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:26:46 +0300 From: Artyom Viklenko Organization: IIAT NTU "KhPI" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: ru, uk, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Fox References: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> In-Reply-To: <20040413180323.GA13554@mind.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tcpdump for sniffing POP3 -- methods ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:28:44 -0000 Yet another tool - dsniff. It shows pairs of username/password for protocols such as pop3, ftp, telnet. Take care about switched network media. It is also actual for tcpdump, etc. Run such programs on the server itself or on the router between server ad all client machines. John Fox wrote: > We've got a Windows machine running IMail and authenticating > POP3 from an NT Primary Domain Controller. > > Our plan is to move these users over to our UNIX system, but we > don't have a record of their passwords. This means we need to > either > > 1) Grab them out of the files on the PDC. (I think this is > not possible.) > > 2) Obtain them by sniffing the POP3 traffic being sent > to the Imail server. > -- Sincerely yours, Artyom V. Viklenko. ====================================================== System Administrator artem@mipk.kharkiv.edu ------------------------------------------------------ IIAT NTU "KhPI" 21, Frunze Str., Kharkov Ukraine 61002 Phone: +38 (0572) 400026 Fax: +38 (057) 7062749 ====================================================== From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 23:57:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A9B16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5C643D1F for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:57:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Sieber@frauenwerk-stein.de) Received: from [212.227.126.155] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BDeLC-0005vB-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:57:46 +0200 Received: from [212.114.238.81] (helo=bmdex01.fwstein.loc) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1BDeLC-0007Bl-00 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:57:46 +0200 Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:57:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <15CFC99A2034D511B6CD00306E066BDF55D8AD@bmdex01.bmd.loc> content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: word document Thread-Index: AcQh7cmJuKJ1jB5BR82ig/NjLwlqlQAAAAQ8 From: "Sieber, Petra" To: X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:07cf3575f769b8147c65099f43ef8df4 Subject: Abwesenheitsnotiz: word document X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:57:47 -0000 Ich bin am 19. April wieder im Hause From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 01:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C5A16A4CF for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:00:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f117.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D9443D41 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:00:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew__nelson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:00:36 -0700 Received: from 203.12.22.37 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:00:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.12.22.37] X-Originating-Email: [andrew__nelson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: andrew__nelson@hotmail.com From: "Andrew Nelson" To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:00:36 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 08:00:36.0459 (UTC) FILETIME=[91C673B0:01C421F6] Subject: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:00:36 -0000 Hi, I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen windows do it somewhere... Thanks, Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-au&page=hotmail/es2 From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 01:15:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1347716A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:15:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cell.sick.ru (cell.sick.ru [217.72.144.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEE043D1F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from glebius@cell.sick.ru) Received: from cell.sick.ru (glebius@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cell.sick.ru (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3E8FZQE025672 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:15:36 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from glebius@cell.sick.ru) Received: (from glebius@localhost) by cell.sick.ru (8.12.9/8.12.6/Submit) id i3E8FZ2w025671; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:15:35 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:15:35 +0400 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Andrew Nelson Message-ID: <20040414081535.GB25624@cell.sick.ru> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:15:41 -0000 On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:00:36PM +1000, Andrew Nelson wrote: A> I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there A> anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen A> windows do it somewhere... Take a look at /usr/ports/sysutils/lmmon/ However, mainboard data may not be precise. -- Totus tuus, Glebius. GLEBIUS-RIPN GLEB-RIPE From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 03:12:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C16416A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law10-f21.law10.hotmail.com [64.4.15.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DAA543D48 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:12:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andrew__nelson@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:12:32 -0700 Received: from 203.34.169.189 by lw10fd.law10.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:12:31 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.34.169.189] X-Originating-Email: [andrew__nelson@hotmail.com] X-Sender: andrew__nelson@hotmail.com From: "Andrew Nelson" To: soralx@cydem.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:12:31 +1000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 10:12:32.0079 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFDA35F0:01C42208] cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:12:34 -0000 Hi, Thanks - that looks great... it doesn't seem to work on my hardware though unfortunately (Supermicro MB). Andrew. > > I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there > > anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen > > windows do it somewhere... > >You can use programs like mbmon (ports/sysutils/xmbmon) to do that > >Timestamp: 0x407CF835 >[SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ >ridin' VN1500-B2 _________________________________________________________________ Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:20:30 -0000 On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 08:12:31PM +1000, Andrew Nelson wrote: > >> I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there > >> anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen > >> windows do it somewhere... > > > >You can use programs like mbmon (ports/sysutils/xmbmon) to do that > > > >Timestamp: 0x407CF835 > >[SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ > >ridin' VN1500-B2 > Thanks - that looks great... it doesn't seem to work on my hardware > though unfortunately (Supermicro MB). He said "like". There are numerous other's out there. One of them is healthd. Some of the monitoring programs require you recompile your kernel with SMBus support. FreeBSD 5 has the acpi methods and you can use "sysctl hw.acpi.thermal.tz#.temperature". -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lambert@lambertfam.org From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 11:16:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A81A16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail15.txucom.net (mail15.txucom.net [207.70.175.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D186E43D2F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@buckhorn.net) Received: (qmail 21774 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 18:16:26 -0000 Received: from lfkn-adsl-dhcp-net1-197.txucom.net (HELO tardis.buckhorn.net) ([207.70.145.197]) (envelope-sender ) by mail15.txucom.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Apr 2004 18:16:26 -0000 Received: from buckhorn.net (localhost.buckhorn.net [127.0.0.1]) by tardis.buckhorn.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE0D1B9ACC; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:50:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <407D79E3.4090405@buckhorn.net> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:50:27 -0500 From: Bob Martin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Nelson References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:16:39 -0000 /usr/ports/sysutils/xmbmon will work on your supermicro (at least it does on ours) You can build it without X Bob Martin Andrew Nelson wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks - that looks great... it doesn't seem to work on my hardware > though unfortunately (Supermicro MB). > > Andrew. > > >> > I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there >> > anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen >> > windows do it somewhere... >> >> You can use programs like mbmon (ports/sysutils/xmbmon) to do that >> >> Timestamp: 0x407CF835 >> [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ >> ridin' VN1500-B2 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-au&page=hotmail/es2 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 12:01:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D8A16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cobra.acceleratedweb.net (cobra-gw.acceleratedweb.net [207.99.79.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC3C443D45 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 81400 invoked by uid 110); 14 Apr 2004 19:01:49 -0000 Received: from ool-18baaf5c.dyn.optonline.net (HELO win2kpc1) (24.186.175.92) by cobra.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 19:01:49 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Andrew Nelson" , "Bob Martin" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:02:28 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2661) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195;4) In-Reply-To: <407D79E3.4090405@buckhorn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20040414190150.EC3C443D45@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: "freebsd-isp@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:01:51 -0000 While we are at it, I was never able to find anything that would work with ServerWorks chipsets. Is there anything that works with them? Thanks, Simon On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:50:27 -0500, Bob Martin wrote: >/usr/ports/sysutils/xmbmon will work on your supermicro (at least it >does on ours) > >You can build it without X > >Bob Martin > >Andrew Nelson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Thanks - that looks great... it doesn't seem to work on my hardware >> though unfortunately (Supermicro MB). >> >> Andrew. >> >> >>> > I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there >>> > anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen >>> > windows do it somewhere... >>> >>> You can use programs like mbmon (ports/sysutils/xmbmon) to do that >>> >>> Timestamp: 0x407CF835 >>> [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ >>> ridin' VN1500-B2 >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to >> http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-au&page=hotmail/es2 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 17:33:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B28216A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:33:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3b.sentex.ca (smtp3b.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A6B43D1F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by smtp3b.sentex.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i3F0XXju074392; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from BLUELAPIS.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i3F0XXkO025033; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: Mike Tancsa To: "Andrew Nelson" Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:46 -0400 Message-ID: <8ulr70l6uvmlu9fqij06rq9q1nfjadn907@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:33:34 -0000 /usr/ports/sysutils/xmbmon /usr/ports/sysutils/healthd are two that I have used. Some chipsets seem to be problematic to read however ---Mike On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:00:36 +1000, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote: >Hi, > >I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there >anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen >windows do it somewhere... > >Thanks, >Andrew > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to =20 >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=3Den-au&page=3Dhotmail/es2 > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 17:33:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8974F16A4CF for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp3.sentex.ca (smtp3.sentex.ca [64.7.153.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DF143D69 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:33:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2c.sentex.ca [64.7.153.30]) by smtp3.sentex.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3F0XFc7055576; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:15 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from BLUELAPIS.sentex.ca (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id i3F0XKZm024930; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) From: Mike Tancsa To: Gleb Smirnoff Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:33:33 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20040414081535.GB25624@cell.sick.ru> In-Reply-To: <20040414081535.GB25624@cell.sick.ru> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Measuring P4 CPU temperature in FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:33:42 -0000 On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:15:35 +0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.isp you wrote: >On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 06:00:36PM +1000, Andrew Nelson wrote: >A> I have a few 1RU chassis that i'm worried are overheating.. is there >A> anyway to get FreeBSD to report the CPU temperature - i've seen >A> windows do it somewhere... > >Take a look at=20 >/usr/ports/sysutils/lmmon/ > >However, mainboard data may not be precise. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 05:45:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5004016A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail.emre.de (webmail.emre.de [194.8.203.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CAD43D46 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from info@emre.de) Received: by webmail.emre.de (Postfix, from userid 80) id DC0423A23E; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:45:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sys-125.netcologne.de (sys-125.netcologne.de [194.8.193.125]) by webmail.emre.de (Horde) with HTTP for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:45:46 +0200 Message-ID: <1082033146.0d032a162575d@webmail.emre.de> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:45:46 +0200 From: Emre Bastuz To: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 4.0-cvs Subject: NAT and Routing question X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:45:50 -0000 Hi, it seems I=B4m stuck here due to a NAT/Routing issue. For building a forced proxy I am trying to do the following: PC -> [Interface A -> redirect to 127.0.0.1, port 80 -> Interface B (default gateway)] -> PC 1. User on PC opens browser to connect to an arbitrary site 2. the request enters the proxy machine on interface "A" 3. an ipf/ipnat redirection rule "rdr InterfaceA 0/0 port 80 -> 127.0.0.1/32 port 80 tcp" does the redirection 4. the local Apache picks the appropriate page 5. the translation/redirection from 3 is being reversed 6. the answer is sent out on interface "B" with the original source address = and the original destination address but with the payload from the proxy Everything works up to point 4 - but the answer never reaches the requesting PC. It seems that the NAT can not be reverted when the answers are being sen= t out on a different interface then they arrived on. Seems the state is not on= ly being kept in terms of source ip:source port/destination ip:destination port but also interface wise. Might this be the reason? If I enter a hostroute to send the answer to the requets out to InterfaceA instead of InterfaceB, everything works. The point is, I do not want to ente= r routes back to the "PC=B4s" as this would be time consuming. I=B4d prefer ha= ving everything sent out on the default gateway. Any help/hint will be appreciated. TIA, Emre -- I don't see why some people even HAVE cars. -- Calvin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 18:51:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B9516A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ml.free.fr (ml1.proxad.net [213.228.0.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F3E43D46 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 18:51:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kiddie@free.fr) Received: from ml1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ml.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58797CEF8C for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ml1 by ml1 (LISTAR/0.42); Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 03:19:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Listar To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-listar-antiloop: ml1 Precedence: list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Expiry-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 03:19:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Listar command results: -- Binary/unsupported file stripped by Listar -- X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:51:57 -0000 Request received for list 'ti.paradize' via request address. >> yes, really? 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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 02:12:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4633716A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mindworks.hu (tepsi.mindworks.hu [195.228.75.119]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBB243D5C for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 02:12:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aries@mindworks.hu) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=tepsi.mindworks.hu) by mindworks.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BEPOY-000DGm-0I for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:12:22 +0200 Received: (from aries@localhost) by tepsi.mindworks.hu (8.12.9p2/8.12.9/Submit) id i3G9CLco051011 for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:12:21 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from aries@mindworks.hu) X-Authentication-Warning: tepsi.mindworks.hu: aries set sender to aries@mindworks.hu using -f Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:12:21 +0200 From: FEHER Janos To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040416091220.GA50838@tepsi.mindworks.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: Mindworks-Networking (http://www.mindworks.hu) X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned with Clam AntiVirus Subject: cyrus sieve bug? X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:12:29 -0000 --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I've got a problem under 4.9-RELEASE-p1 and cyrus-imapd-2.1.15_2. I'm using the following sieve script to filter the mails, but some of the rules are not working. I've tried to ask other mailing lists, irc, etc. but I've got no answers. The sieve tester page (http://sastools.com/SieveTest/sievetest.php) The script: require "fileinto"; if header :is "X-Spam-Flag" ["YES"] { fileinto "INBOX.SPAM"; stop;} if header :contains ["X-BeenThere"] ["vlug@"] { fileinto "INBOX.VLUG"; stop;} if header :contains "Reply-To" "metalhu@" { fileinto "INBOX.METALHU"; stop;} if header :contains "From" "ajanlatot.kapok.hu" { fileinto "INBOX.AJANLATOTKAPOK"; stop;} if address :contains :all ["to"] "scene@" { fileinto "INBOX.SCENE"; stop;} if header :contains "X-BeenThere" "informatika-l@" { fileinto "INBOX.INFORMATIKA-L"; stop;} if header :contains "Sender" "psion-admin.mxdn.dunanet.hu" { fileinto "INBOX.PSION"; stop;} if header :contains "X-BeenThere" "egyesulet@bsd.hu" { fileinto "INBOX.BSD-EGYESULET"; stop;} if address :contains :all ["from"] "info@apronet.com" { fileinto "INBOX.APRONET"; stop;} if address :contains :all ["from"] "ajanlatot.kapok.hu" { fileinto "INBOX.AJANLATOTKAPOK"; stop;} if address :contains :all ["subject"] "[BSD]" { fileinto "INBOX.BSD-HU"; stop;} if header :contains "X-BeenThere" ["security-l"] { fileinto "INBOX.SECURITY"; stop;} if header :contains "X-BeenThere" "wl-levlista" { fileinto "INBOX.WL-LEVLISTA"; stop;} if header :contains ["Return-Path"] ["wl-phplista-bounces@weblabor.hu"] { fileinto "INBOX.WL-PHPLEVLISTA"; stop;} if header :contains "List-ID" "freebsd-announce.FreeBSD.ORG" { fileinto "INBOX.FREEBSD-ANNOUNCE"; stop;} if header :contains "List-ID" "freebsd-isp.FreeBSD.ORG" { fileinto "INBOX.FREEBSD-ISP"; stop;} if header :contains "List-ID" "freebsd-stable.FreeBSD.ORG" { fileinto "INBOX.FREEBSD-STABLE"; stop;} if header :contains "Sender" "antenna-admin.antenna.radiolan.hu" { fileinto "INBOX.RADIO-ANTENNA"; stop;} if header :contains "Sender" "labor-admin.antenna.radiolan.hu" { fileinto "INBOX.RADIOLAN"; stop;} if header :contains ["Subject"] ["Cron"] { fileinto "INBOX.CRON"; stop;} fileinto "INBOX"; The "wrong" emails has attached. 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Koszonom, =3D Halinux -- wl-levlista (wl-levlista@weblabor.hu) levelez=3DF5lista https://www.weblabor.hu/mailman/listinfo/wl-levlista -- etikett: http://www.weblabor.hu/illik.html offlista: https://www.weblabor.hu/mailman/listinfo/wl-offlista =46rom wl-phplista-bounces@weblabor.hu Fri Apr 16 08:49:10 2004 Return-Path: Received: from mindworks.hu ([unix socket]) by tepsi.mindworks.hu (Cyrus v2.1.15) with LMTP; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:49:09= +0200 X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 Received: from server.barthazi.hu ([195.56.44.236]) by mindworks.hu with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BEN9x-000CoG-Nh for feher.janos@mindworks.hu; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:49:09 +0200 Received: from server.barthazi.hu (home [127.0.0.1]) by server.barthazi.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CDD2486B; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:49:07 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: wl-phplista@weblabor.hu Received: from debian (113.147-182-adsl-pool.axelero.hu [81.182.147.113]) by server.barthazi.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC8A2486B for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:49:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (helo=3Dmportal.hu ident=3Dzedorg) by debian with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BENAj-0000DJ-00 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:49:57 +0200 Message-ID: <407F8210.5020805@mportal.hu> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:49:52 +0200 From: CoL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7b) Gecko/20040316 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: weblabor PHP levlista Subject: Re: [wl-phplista] pop3 References: <12639866.1082086021740.JavaMail.www-data@www2> In-Reply-To: <12639866.1082086021740.JavaMail.www-data@www2> X-BeenThere: wl-phplista@weblabor.hu X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list Reply-To: weblabor PHP levlista List-Id: weblabor PHP levlista List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: wl-phplista-bounces@weblabor.hu Errors-To: wl-phplista-bounces@weblabor.hu X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned with Clam AntiVirus Content-Length: 1134 Lines: 34 szia, bike2003@freestart.hu wrote, On 4/16/2004 05:27: > nos az a l=3DE9nyege a dolognak, hogy defini=3DE1lva van egy function pop= _con=3D nect() n=3DE9ven, ami szerintem csatlakozik a szerverhez. 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Udvozli az ajanlatot.kapok.hu csapata ------------ http://ajanlatot.kapok.hu - Szemelyre szolo arajanlatok --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 17 10:30:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A952B16A4CF for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:30:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zombie.scms.waikato.ac.nz (zombie.scms.waikato.ac.nz [130.217.241.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2538843D55 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:30:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from "") Received: from exim by zombie.scms.waikato.ac.nz with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BEtdl-0007Nf-Jq for freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Apr 2004 05:30:05 +1200 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: From: exim@scms.waikato.ac.nz Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 05:30:05 +1200 Subject: Rejected: Re: Information X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 17:30:07 -0000 Your message to trigg@cs.waikato.ac.nz was rejected because it has an apparently executable attachment "doc_trigg.pif". Please read http://www.scms.waikato.ac.nz/help/mail/policy.html From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 17 14:23:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D80116A4CE for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from horowitz.surfnet.nl (horowitz.surfnet.nl [194.171.167.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72FC43D54 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:23:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pks-admin@horowitz.surfnet.nl) Received: (from pks@localhost) by horowitz.surfnet.nl (8.12.2/8.12.2) id i3HLNa5w017920; Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:23:36 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 23:23:36 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200404172123.i3HLNa5w017920@horowitz.surfnet.nl> To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org From: Server Administrator In-Reply-To: <200404172122.i3HLMVs4010153@odal.citrin.ch> Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---PKSD-----" Subject: Your command, Re: Sample, was invalid X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 21:23:38 -0000 -----PKSD----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Key server software written by Marc Horowitz For questions or comments regarding this key server site, contact Server Administrator Current version: 0.9.5 NOTE! This service is provided to facilitate public-key cryptography for demonstration and educational purposes. It is the responsibility of users of public-key cryptography to ensure that their activities conform to legal requirements. -----PKSD----- Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline [ Croatian: Za hrvatsku verziju ovoga teksta posaljite poruku koja ce u Subject imati "HELP HR" na adresu pgp-public-keys@keys.nl.pgp.net Danish: For at faa en dansk version af denne text skal du sende en e-mail med en subject-tekst: "HELP DK" til pgp-public-keys@keys.dk.pgp.net eller slaa op paa URL http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/email-help-dk.html English: For an english version of this message, send an e-mail with a subject line of "HELP" to pgp-public-keys@keys.pgp.net, or access the URL http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/email-help-en.html Finnish: Saadaksesi taman tekstin suomeksi, laheta osoitteeseen pgp-public-keys@keys.nl.pgp.net tyhja viesti, jonka Subject-kentta on "HELP FI". French: Pour une version française de çe texte, envoyez un message au sujet de "HELP FR" ŕ pgp-public-keys@keys.ch.pgp.net German: Für eine deutschsprachige Fassung dieses Textes senden Sie eine Mail mit dem Subject "HELP DE" an die folgende Adresse pgp-public-keys@keys.de.pgp.net oder URL: http://www.pgp.net/pgp/email-help-de.html Norwegian: For aa faa dette dokumentet paa norsk, send "HELP NO" til pgp-public-keys@keys.nl.pgp.net Spanish: Para obtener una versión en castellano de este texto, envíe un mail a pgp-public-keys@keys.nl.pgp.net con el "Subject" HELP ES ] PGP Public Email Keyservers --------------------------- There are PGP public email key servers which allow one to exchange public keys running using the Internet and UUCP mail systems. Those capable of accessing the WWW might prefer to use the WWW interface available via http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/www-key.html and managers of sites which may want to make frequent lookups may care to copy the full keyring from the FTP server at ftp://ftp.pgp.net/pub/pgp/keys/ This service exists only to help transfer keys between PGP users. It does NOT attempt to guarantee that a key is a valid key; use the signatures on a key for that kind of security. Each keyserver processes requests in the form of mail messages. The commands for the server are entered on the Subject: line. ---------------------------------------------- ======== ----- Note that they should NOT be included in the body of the message. --------------------- === --------------------------------------- To: pgp-public-keys@keys.pgp.net From: johndoe@some.site.edu Subject: help Sending your key to ONE server is enough. After it processes your key, it will forward your add request to other servers automagically. For example, to add your key to the keyserver, or to update your key if it is already there, send a message similar to the following to any server: To: pgp-public-keys@keys.pgp.net From: johndoe@some.site.edu Subject: add -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- COMPROMISED KEYS: Create a Key Revocation Certificate (read the PGP docs on how to do that) and mail your key to the server once again, with the ADD command. Valid commands are: Command Result ---------------------- ------------------------------------------------- HELP Returns this message HELP language Localized help text (DE, EN, ES, FI, FR, HR, NO) ADD Add PGP public key from the body of your message INDEX userid List all PGP keys containing the words in userid VERBOSE INDEX userid Verbose list of all keys containing userid GET userid Get the key(s) matching userid LAST days Get the keys updated in the last `days' days ------------------------------------------------------------------------ LIMITATIONS: Most keyservers have a limit on the number of keys they return in queries, in order not to swamp you with too many keys in case you made a typo (the full database at the keyservers exceeds 2GB). If you *REALLY* need the whole index file or key ring, *PLEASE* ftp it from a key server such as `ftp://ftp.pgp.net/pub/pgp/keys/' or one of the national servers. NOTE: PGP is extremely slow when operating on large keyrings. Adding the full ring of the keyserver to your own ring will take several *MONTHS* to complete. ADDRESSES TO USE: Users should normally use the email address `pgp-public-keys@keys.pgp.net' or your national servers using one of: pgp-public-keys@keys.ch.pgp.net pgp-public-keys@keys.de.pgp.net pgp-public-keys@keys.es.pgp.net pgp-public-keys@keys.nl.pgp.net pgp-public-keys@keys.uk.pgp.net pgp-public-keys@keys.us.pgp.net for the email interface, `ftp://ftp.pgp.net/pub/pgp/' for FTP, and `http://www.pgp.net/pgpnet/' for WWW access. Users are recommended to use the "*.pgp.net" addresses above as these are stable and reliable. -----PKSD-------