From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 31 01:39:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38D5416A4CE for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 01:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com (web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.94.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24C8C43D46 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 01:39:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from urgaolong@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040531083958.97124.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.187.54.9] by web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 May 2004 09:39:58 BST Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 09:39:58 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gao=20Long?= To: Nicolas Souchu , freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040528221609.C20758@armor.freesurf.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: walkyrie@meloo.com Subject: Re: dancing with the daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 08:39:58 -0000 Nicolas Souchu wrote: No keep it in the kernel for the very early boot! Look the screenshots at http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/kgi4BSD and be sure I'll do something with your code ;) -- Nicholas Souchu - nsouch@free.fr - nsouch@FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/kgi4BSD Thanks for your advice and interest:) I noticed that KGI is a big frame work of a console graphical driver infrastrauture , while my idea is so simple that it can not recognize any movie file format, it needs just a soft timer and some bmp pictures , and show up a short animation. It will base itself on the fb and splash module (maybe kgi afterwards:) , on which I think I may get some help from you , cause I always feel lack of syscons knowledge . Additionally the console swithing systems may also be helpful to me as I may want to switch to another virtual console when the current virtual console is busy splashing the moving pictures. It is good to have the daemon dancing on the black console from the startup , isn't it :) --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Download Messenger Now From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 31 05:33:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B794016A4CE for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 05:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz [195.113.31.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516D643D49 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 05:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jsta6559@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz) Received: by artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz (Postfix, from userid 16559) id 9BE763FE3; Mon, 31 May 2004 14:32:41 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:32:41 +0200 From: Jan Stary To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040531123241.GA30498@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: sound: modules or in-kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 12:33:06 -0000 Hello, is it any different whether I compile my device pcm, device sbc, and device sb16 into the kernel, or load them as modules at bootup? Especially, are there any latency issues I shloud watch for when using the modules? Thanks Jan From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 31 08:13:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0FC516A4CE for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (hak.cnd.mcgill.ca [132.216.11.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A79743D5C for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 08:13:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mat@hak.cnd.mcgill.ca) Received: from hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4VFF6K0092712 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 11:15:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mat@hak.cnd.mcgill.ca) Received: (from mat@localhost) by hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id i4VFF6kb092711 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 May 2004 11:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:15:06 -0400 From: Mathew Kanner To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040531151506.GC92188@cnd.mcgill.ca> References: <20040531123241.GA30498@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040531123241.GA30498@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: I speak for myself, operating in Montreal, CANADA X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.62 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.62 (2004-01-11) on hak.cnd.mcgill.ca Subject: Re: sound: modules or in-kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:13:54 -0000 On May 31, Jan Stary wrote: > Hello, > > is it any different whether I compile my > device pcm, device sbc, and device sb16 > into the kernel, or load them as modules > at bootup? > > Especially, are there any latency issues > I shloud watch for when using the modules? Use the modules. Static in the kernel won't help. --Mat -- The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation. - Pierre Elliott Trudeau From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 31 12:41:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E484C16A4CE for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC65D43D41 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 12:41:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsouch@free.fr) Received: from smtp.freesurf.fr (62-240-249-21.adsl.freesurf.fr [62.240.249.21]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E83D2A60ED for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 21:41:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 37747 invoked by uid 1001); 31 May 2004 21:54:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 21:54:14 +0000 From: Nicolas Souchu To: Gao Long Message-ID: <20040531215414.A37702@armor.freesurf.fr> References: <20040528221609.C20758@armor.freesurf.fr> <20040531083958.97124.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20040531083958.97124.qmail@web90108.mail.scd.yahoo.com>; from urgaolong@yahoo.com on Mon, May 31, 2004 at 09:39:58AM +0100 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dancing with the daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 19:41:52 -0000 On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 09:39:58AM +0100, Gao Long wrote: > Thanks for your advice and interest:) > > I noticed that KGI is a big frame work of a console graphical > > driver infrastrauture , while my idea is so simple that it can not recognize > > any movie file format, it needs just a soft timer and some bmp pictures , Simple ideas are the good ones ;) > and show up a short animation. It will base itself on the fb and splash > > module (maybe kgi afterwards:) , on which I think I may get some help > > from you , cause I always feel lack of syscons knowledge . Additionally I don't have particular skills on syscons. But once done on syscons, I'll rapidly get it working for KGI as I did with the splash to have the background daemon. > the console swithing systems may also be helpful to me as I may want > > to switch to another virtual console when the current virtual console > > is busy splashing the moving pictures. > > It is good to have the daemon dancing on the black console from the > > startup , isn't it :) Definitely! It should be simple first. Loadable modules like splash decoders would enable adding support for more complex formats in the future... -- Nicholas Souchu - nsouch@free.fr - nsouch@FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/kgi4BSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 31 15:41:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B472E16A4D7 for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 15:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakermmtao11.cox.net (lakermmtao11.cox.net [68.230.240.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3502B43D4C for ; Mon, 31 May 2004 15:41:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net ([68.11.70.23]) by lakermmtao11.cox.netESMTP <20040531224109.ESKX15427.lakermmtao11.cox.net@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net>; Mon, 31 May 2004 18:41:09 -0400 Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) i4VMfBWF053579; Mon, 31 May 2004 17:41:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost)i4VMf6ir053578; Mon, 31 May 2004 17:41:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040531123241.GA30498@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:41:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Sabatier To: Jan Stary cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: sound: modules or in-kernel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:41:25 -0000 On 31-May-2004 Jan Stary wrote: > Hello, > > is it any different whether I compile my > device pcm, device sbc, and device sb16 > into the kernel, or load them as modules > at bootup? > > Especially, are there any latency issues > I shloud watch for when using the modules? I use modules, myself. The main advantage over built-in is that you don't have any unnecessary code for cards other than the one you're using. Performance-wise, there's no difference at all that I can see. -- Conrad Sabatier - "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 1 06:31:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E4A16A4CE for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com (web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.94.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3C5E43D58 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2004 06:31:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from urgaolong@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040601133116.13534.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Received: from [61.187.54.9] by web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:31:16 BST Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 14:31:16 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gao=20Long?= To: Nicolas Souchu In-Reply-To: <20040531215414.A37702@armor.freesurf.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dancing with the daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:31:19 -0000 Nicolas Souchu wrote: Simple ideas are the good ones ;) I don't have particular skills on syscons. But once done on syscons, I'll rapidly get it working for KGI as I did with the splash to have the background daemon. to switch to another virtual console when the current virtual Definitely! It should be simple first. Loadable modules like splash decoders would enable adding support for more complex formats in the future... -- Nicholas Souchu - nsouch@free.fr - nsouch@FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/kgi4BSD OK , now for a simple test I have loaded two bmp pictures , and then the daemon moved swiftly from one end of the screen to the other without any blink just in the early time of boot , though I still have to begin to modify the splash decoder to have a vector of bmp data files rather than just one , I am convienced to hope that it would work. I am not sure about one thing , if I do not use the clean up function of the decoder when system is booted and I do not want the animated splash any more , no key input except the first touch can interrupt the video mode , and I can not see any available syscons after booted . Unless I use the sysctl I added to clean up the video mode. The same thing happens to vidcontrol , I have altered the vidcontrol to use the mode of VESA_CG800x600 instead of VESA_800x600 , former of which is the video mode of splash module , and once the VESA_CG800x600 is set , no key input can interrupt the video mode , unless you reinstall the splash module or use the decoder to clean up . Or may be it should just be like this :-> While I may try to build a usable version first , instead of a perfect one , and will post my patches as fast as I could . I hope I could get as many help as possible , thxs. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 09:40:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A5A416A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from infor.ck.tp.edu.tw (infor.ck.tp.edu.tw [203.64.26.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F1A43D54 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from llwang@infor.ck.tp.edu.tw) Received: by infor.ck.tp.edu.tw (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 192FD930A; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:39:55 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 00:39:55 +0800 From: "Li-Lun Wang (Leland Wang)" To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040603163955.GA8864@Athena.infor.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i cc: llwang@infor.org Subject: Playing DVD with USB DVD device X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:40:01 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am playing DVD with a USB DVD-ROM using mplayer. If I use # mplayer dvd://1 it does work but it is so slow that it is unacceptable. The transfer rate is only a little more than 1MB/sec, and this does not seem to be right for I am using USB 2.0. I found the following in the dmesg when I plug the DVD device: umass0: Prolific Technology Inc. Mass Storage Device, rev 2.00/1.00, addr 2 cd0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 cd0: Removable CD-ROM SCSI-0 device cd0: 1.000MB/s transfers I don't know why the system says cd0 is only 1.000MB/s, and I don't konw whether this is the cause of the bad performance in playing DVD. If I mount the DVD and use $ mplayer /cdrom/video_ts/*.vob the performance is dramatically better. I don't know whether the improvement results from the use of system cache or from some real improvement in the transfer rate or from both. However, this does not work for region-code protected DVDs. I tried to use # mplayer -dvdauth /dev/cd0 /cdrom/video_ts/*.vob as suggested by the manual page of mplayer but failed. I kept getting DVD: opening libcss.so as libcss.so ... DVD: dlopen: Shared object "libcss.so" not found Error in DVD auth... Exiting... (Fatal error) Since libcss seem to be no longer available, does anyone know how to solve this? Can't libdvdcss be used instead? Any suggestions? Sincerely, Leland Wang -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAv1RbCQM7t5B2mhARAiilAJ9/aIKQFQdxtv+4KqS03XCBIJ3zbACfVYxG uRIWPs+K26Oj6E2qIgxaRi4= =e4Ib -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 14:43:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F380F16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCF143D31 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 14:43:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nsouch@free.fr) Received: from smtp.freesurf.fr (62-240-249-21.adsl.freesurf.fr [62.240.249.21]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E34012A574A for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 55706 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Jun 2004 21:43:51 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:43:51 +0200 From: Nicolas Souchu To: Gao Long Message-ID: <20040603234351.A55667@armor.freesurf.fr> References: <20040531215414.A37702@armor.freesurf.fr> <20040601133116.13534.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20040601133116.13534.qmail@web90104.mail.scd.yahoo.com>; from urgaolong@yahoo.com on Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 02:31:16PM +0100 cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: dancing with the daemon X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 21:43:43 -0000 On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 02:31:16PM +0100, Gao Long wrote: [...] > OK , now for a simple test I have loaded two bmp pictures , and then the [...] > > While I may try to build a usable version first , instead of a perfect one , > > and will post my patches as fast as I could . I hope I could get as many > > help as possible , thxs. True video format support, even mjpeg or animated png will rapidly be necessary as the size of picts is growing in the kernel. -- Nicholas Souchu - nsouch@free.fr - nsouch@FreeBSD.org http://www.freebsd.org/~nsouch/kgi4BSD From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 20:08:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8013716A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakermmtao01.cox.net (lakermmtao01.cox.net [68.230.240.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D453743D49 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 20:08:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net ([68.11.70.23]) by lakermmtao01.cox.netESMTP <20040604030804.QIV16976.lakermmtao01.cox.net@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net> for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:08:04 -0400 Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net (localhost.no.no.cox.net [127.0.0.1])i54384WA074564 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:08:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost)i5437xju074563 for freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:07:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:07:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Sabatier To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 03:08:06 -0000 I am desperately in need of an MP3 player to use at work, in order to preserve my sanity. :-) Seriously, one of my supervisors insists on having the most god-awful radio station playing throughout the building all day long, one which repeats the same tired playlist over and over and over at intervals of roughly two hours. It's enough to make one go postal (and I happen to work for the Postal Service, too, by the way). :-) Anyway, with the proliferation of USB devices available nowadays, I'm just wondering how safe or risky would it be to just go ahead and grab one and hook it up to my machine. Is it a simple matter of configuring it as a umass device and just copying files over to the player? Or are most of them really that dependent on the proprietary Windows/Mac software that comes bundled with most of the them? Thanks for any feedback! -- Conrad Sabatier - "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 3 22:46:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6472B16A4CE for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85F743D58 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2004 22:46:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no) Received: from kg-work.kg4.no (68.80-202-174.nextgentel.com [80.202.174.68]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with SMTP id BB14D56B7 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:46:22 +0200 (MEST) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 07:40:16 +0200 From: Torfinn Ingolfsen To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040604074016.6f0a4d44.torfinn.ingolfsen@broadpark.no> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) X-Face: "t9w2,-X@O^I`jVW\sonI3.,36KBLZE*AL[y9lL[PyFD*r_S:dIL9c[8Y>V42R0"!"yb_zN,f#%.[PYYNq;m"_0v;~rUM2Yy!zmkh)3&U|u!=T(zyv,MHJv"nDH>OJ`t(@mil461d_B'Uo|'nMwlKe0Mv=kvV?Nh@>Hb<3s_z2jYgZhPb@?Wi^x1a~Hplz1.zH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 05:46:04 -0000 On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 22:07:59 -0500 (CDT) Conrad Sabatier wrote: > one and hook it up to my machine. Is it a simple matter of > configuring it as a umass device and just copying files over to the > player? Or are most of them really that dependent on the proprietary > Windows/Mac software that comes bundled with most of the them? It varies. Some devices are true umass devices, some are proprietary. And there are even some that started life as proprietary, but now (with new firmware) have changed into umass devices. I have a Dynetel DN6512 (aka "Tuny II") player, and it is now a umass device. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen, Norway From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 01:52:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9803516A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D329343D31 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 01:52:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from le@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at (pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.2.177]) by imap.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i548pUg6638120; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:51:32 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:51:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Conrad Sabatier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040604105017.A672@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: imap 4247; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 08:52:25 -0000 On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Conrad Sabatier wrote: > Anyway, with the proliferation of USB devices available nowadays, I'm > just wondering how safe or risky would it be to just go ahead and grab > one and hook it up to my machine. Is it a simple matter of configuring > it as a umass device and just copying files over to the player? Or are > most of them really that dependent on the proprietary Windows/Mac > software that comes bundled with most of the them? Apple's iPod attaches as umass device, and you could copy MP3s just like that, but you still need a tool like gtkpod to create the index files, so that the iPod finds the songs. :-) cheers, le -- Lukas Ertl http://homepage.univie.ac.at/l.ertl/ le@FreeBSD.org http://people.freebsd.org/~le/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 05:02:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19C216A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.stare.cz (ns.stare.cz [81.95.102.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707B943D46 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:02:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hans@stare.cz) Received: by ns.stare.cz (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7DBB6B85F; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:04:35 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:04:35 +0200 From: Jan Stary To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040604120435.GA72579@ns.stare.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: driving Soundblaster AWE64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 12:02:27 -0000 Hello, after using the SB AWE64 under Linux/ALSA for some time, I put it into my BSD box a have it working via pcm/sbc/sb16. However, in the ALSA times, I was able to tweak the tiny details of that particular card (such as turning off the '3D sound effect') via ALSA conf files. Is it possible to set these somehow under the pcm/sbc/sb16 driver? Thank you Jan From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 11:02:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1670116A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakermmtao02.cox.net (lakermmtao02.cox.net [68.230.240.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9643943D41 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:02:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net ([68.11.70.23]) by lakermmtao02.cox.netESMTP <20040604180155.JNVK19971.lakermmtao02.cox.net@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:01:55 -0400 Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net (localhost.no.no.cox.net [127.0.0.1])i54I1t2e005582; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:01:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost)i54I1oMo005581; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:01:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040604120435.GA72579@ns.stare.cz> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:01:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Sabatier To: Jan Stary cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: driving Soundblaster AWE64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:02:13 -0000 On 04-Jun-2004 Jan Stary wrote: > Hello, > > after using the SB AWE64 under Linux/ALSA for some time, > I put it into my BSD box a have it working via pcm/sbc/sb16. > > However, in the ALSA times, I was able to tweak the tiny > details of that particular card (such as turning off the > '3D sound effect') via ALSA conf files. Is it possible to > set these somehow under the pcm/sbc/sb16 driver? No, not that I'm aware of at present. Matt, our new MIDI maintainer, is about to incorporate a whole new MIDI subsystem Real Soon Now, which may or may not offer more functionality than we currently have. I don't know if the new MIDI stuff will expand basic sound features as well; we'll just have to wait and see, I guess. Or maybe Matt will comment here? :-) -- Conrad Sabatier - "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 11:32:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BB416A4CE; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakermmtao09.cox.net (lakermmtao09.cox.net [68.230.240.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B90C43D2D; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net ([68.11.70.23]) by lakermmtao09.cox.netESMTP <20040604183148.ZQJK14.lakermmtao09.cox.net@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net>; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 14:31:48 -0400 Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net (localhost.no.no.cox.net [127.0.0.1])i54IVns4005849; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:31:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost)i54IViOk005848; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 13:31:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20040604105017.A672@pcle2.cc.univie.ac.at> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 13:31:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Sabatier To: Lukas Ertl cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:32:27 -0000 On 04-Jun-2004 Lukas Ertl wrote: > > Apple's iPod attaches as umass device, and you could copy MP3s just like > that, but you still need a tool like gtkpod to create the index files, so > that the iPod finds the songs. :-) Are you using this yourself? Does it work well? I just read the description of the gtkpod port, and it sounds very interesting/appealing, provided it actually works as described. :-) -- Conrad Sabatier - "In Unix veritas" From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 11:56:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8E516A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imap.univie.ac.at (mail.univie.ac.at [131.130.1.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1521E43D31 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 11:56:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from le@FreeBSD.org) Received: from wireless (adslle.cc.univie.ac.at [131.130.102.11]) by imap.univie.ac.at (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i54ItJDX1050006; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:55:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 20:55:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Lukas Ertl To: Conrad Sabatier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040604205450.I704@korben> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-DCC-ZID-Univie-Metrics: mx8 4248; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 cc: freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:56:09 -0000 On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Conrad Sabatier wrote: > On 04-Jun-2004 Lukas Ertl wrote: >> >> Apple's iPod attaches as umass device, and you could copy MP3s just like >> that, but you still need a tool like gtkpod to create the index files, so >> that the iPod finds the songs. :-) > > Are you using this yourself? Does it work well? I just read the description > of the gtkpod port, and it sounds very interesting/appealing, provided it > actually works as described. :-) I have tried it once and it worked, but I prefer iTunes. :-) cheers, le -- Lukas Ertl http://homepage.univie.ac.at/l.ertl/ le@FreeBSD.org http://people.freebsd.org/~le/ From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 16:11:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9873016A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brainguts.no-ip.com (66-215-164-99.riv-mres.charterpipeline.net [66.215.164.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D343D3F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sp0rkmail@brainguts.no-ip.com) Received: from [192.168.1.25] (linuxskank [192.168.1.25]) by brainguts.no-ip.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8CB56B; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:11:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <40C101A9.6060906@brainguts.no-ip.com> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:11:37 -0700 From: sp0rkmail User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (X11/20040513) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: conrads@cox.net References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:11:50 -0000 I've got a Rio Karma, and it's quite awesome. It's USB, but it's dock comes with a built in ethernet port. The firmware on is has a built in web server which allows you to download a java application and use that to transfer files and manage playlists when the beast is docked. I've been able to transfer files in FreeBSD, linux, windows, and OS X this way. It's also cheaper than an iPod, supports more codecs (MP3, ogg, FLAC, and wma), and has a 20 gig capacity. It's got the ethernet hookup as well as USB2. The dock has RCA out so you can hook it up to your home stereo system. It's just an awesome little monster. It's served me well these last two quarters at school and it's pretty durable: after having dropped it twice and had it bounce around in my back pack on a regular basis, it still plays perfectly. There are also tests of audio quality done (I've seen several) that rank it at the top of the pack for mp3 and ogg quality. There's only two downsides. One is that it doesn't show up as a umass device due to it's databasing system (i think it's databasing system, at least), so if you want to use USB2, you need windows until they come out with drivers for linux, bsd, or OS X. Personally, I've done all my transfers over the network. The second is that you need USB2 and their windows software to update the firmware. However, the software is freely available online, and it's fairly small, so it's very possible to go over to a friend's house and update your firmware on their box, or obviously any other available windows box you can get your hands on. I've had mine since February and I'm extremely happy with it. -Eli Conrad Sabatier wrote: >I am desperately in need of an MP3 player to use at work, in order to preserve >my sanity. :-) Seriously, one of my supervisors insists on having the most >god-awful radio station playing throughout the building all day long, one which >repeats the same tired playlist over and over and over at intervals of roughly >two hours. It's enough to make one go postal (and I happen to work for the >Postal Service, too, by the way). :-) > >Anyway, with the proliferation of USB devices available nowadays, I'm just >wondering how safe or risky would it be to just go ahead and grab one and hook >it up to my machine. Is it a simple matter of configuring it as a umass device >and just copying files over to the player? Or are most of them really that >dependent on the proprietary Windows/Mac software that comes bundled with most >of the them? > >Thanks for any feedback! > > > From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 4 16:53:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B14516A4CE for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (hak.cnd.mcgill.ca [132.216.11.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4172B43D1F for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 16:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mat@hak.cnd.mcgill.ca) Received: from hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i54Ns6K0037397; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:54:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mat@hak.cnd.mcgill.ca) Received: (from mat@localhost) by hak.cnd.mcgill.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id i54Ns018037396; Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 19:54:00 -0400 From: Mathew Kanner To: Conrad Sabatier Message-ID: <20040604235400.GW92188@cnd.mcgill.ca> References: <20040604120435.GA72579@ns.stare.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: I speak for myself, operating in Montreal, CANADA X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.62 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.62 (2004-01-11) on hak.cnd.mcgill.ca cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: driving Soundblaster AWE64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 23:53:32 -0000 On Jun 04, Conrad Sabatier wrote: > > On 04-Jun-2004 Jan Stary wrote: > > Hello, > > > > after using the SB AWE64 under Linux/ALSA for some time, > > I put it into my BSD box a have it working via pcm/sbc/sb16. > > > > However, in the ALSA times, I was able to tweak the tiny > > details of that particular card (such as turning off the > > '3D sound effect') via ALSA conf files. Is it possible to > > set these somehow under the pcm/sbc/sb16 driver? > > No, not that I'm aware of at present. > > Matt, our new MIDI maintainer, is about to incorporate a whole new MIDI > subsystem Real Soon Now, which may or may not offer more functionality than we > currently have. I don't know if the new MIDI stuff will expand basic sound > features as well; we'll just have to wait and see, I guess. > > Or maybe Matt will comment here? :-) Hi All, [It's Mat With One T]. MIDI is independent of sound. Should someone show me some registers that can be tweaked to to enable/disable features. I'll add sysctl hooks for them. --Mat -- (on the United States) Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and eventempered the beast, one is affected by every twitch and grunt. - Pierre Elliott Trudeau From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 5 15:37:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AA1C16A4CE for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakermmtao11.cox.net (lakermmtao11.cox.net [68.230.240.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03BC43D46 for ; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from conrads@cox.net) Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net ([68.11.70.23]) by lakermmtao11.cox.netESMTP <20040605223732.WWAG15427.lakermmtao11.cox.net@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net>; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 18:37:32 -0400 Received: from ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net (localhost.no.no.cox.net [127.0.0.1])i55MbVEP066330; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:37:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads@ip68-11-70-23.no.no.cox.net) Received: (from conrads@localhost)i55MbQYH066329; Sat, 5 Jun 2004 17:37:26 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from conrads) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.5 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <40C101A9.6060906@brainguts.no-ip.com> Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:37:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Conrad Sabatier To: sp0rkmail cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MP3 players (USB devices) -- how compatible? X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: conrads@cox.net List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 22:37:33 -0000 Thanks! That sounds like a nice little machine! I'll check it out. Take care, Conrad -- Conrad Sabatier - "In Unix veritas"