From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 00:10:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B5F16A4CE; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A520D43D53; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:10:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F293AE088; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85579-01; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:10:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0B19FAE07D; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040111081003.0B19FAE07D@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:10:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-12-21 - 2004-01-10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:10:12 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 01:31:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BB016A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C401343D46 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:31:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.2004.1) with SMTP id i0B9VbOh062193 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:31:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 79348 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2004 09:31:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAZEN) (217.165.189.219) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 11 Jan 2004 09:31:35 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:30:56 +0400 Message-ID: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:31:42 -0000 Hi, I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need Linux while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD out there? Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say that Linux is not good, it's a failure or anything in this regards. All what I am asking is, why do I have to learn Linux? (I did for a couple of months and then started the FreeBSD way). I will appreciate if someone can shed a light on the differences, commons, history, etc. Thanks. Cheers, Mazen From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 06:06:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2352616A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:06:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from out009.verizon.net (out009pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.131]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1417843D58 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 06:06:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from birdcarry@webwingsnet.com) Received: from web-roost1 ([4.8.68.143]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040111140604.LFDW29632.out009.verizon.net@web-roost1>; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:06:04 -0600 Message-ID: <200401110906030876.3DF4C7DB@outgoing.verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.01.1085 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:06:03 -0500 From: "Russell Dickson" To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.8.68.143] at Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:06:04 -0600 Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:06:07 -0000 Mazen, As I understand it, a Unix equivalent was developed and eventually discarded due to security problems in the core architecture the couldn't be fixed. A man name Linus resumed work and named it Linux, although the security problems were still there. BSD began as an idea of AT&T, who couldn't actually do it due to anti-trust problems so they supported the efforts of Berkley. That began in 1976. BSD is fashioned very close to commercial Unix and, as explained to me, is almost an exact clone with only minor differences. BSD has the security, the basic structure is completely not crackable. It can only be compromised after other items are added, FrontPage extensions is the worst. I have a public web server run by a guy with 24 years of hacking Unix and BSD that has seen 13 months with daily attempts to crack it, so far without success. Zero compromises. I'm convinced! This turned into a "who's better" message but I don't know of another way to explain it. I guess the direct answer is the core of the kernel architectures are different. The other part of your question is, those that study and really know, like Apple, Yahoo and others, don't use Linux. Sometimes people will use only what they have been educated on. It's partly human nature. The real champs will find what's best then modify their education. If you haven't read the BSD history on the FreeBSD site, it's interesting. On 1/11/2004 at 1:30 PM Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: >Hi, > >I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need Linux >while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD out there? > >Mazen > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Russell Dickson Web Wings Net, Site Hosting & Design http://www.WebWingsNet.com Birdcarry@WebWingsNet.com 941-379-2167 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 08:23:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B53E16A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:23:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from femail21.im.home.ne.jp (femail21.im.home.ne.jp [203.165.11.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A7A43DA1 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:22:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wgc@jcom.home.ne.jp) Received: by femail21.im.home.ne.jp with ESMTP <20040111162249.VBXM1074.femail21.im.home.ne.jp@smtp102.mf.home.ne.jp> for ; 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Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:12:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EB1443D62 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:12:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from agnes (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1545836 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 12:04:13 -0700 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:12:12 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040111131212.32f0ad67@agnes> In-Reply-To: <200401110906030876.3DF4C7DB@outgoing.verizon.net> References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401110906030876.3DF4C7DB@outgoing.verizon.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:12:25 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:06:03 -0500 "Russell Dickson" insisted: > Mazen, > > As I understand it, a Unix equivalent was developed and > eventually discarded due to security problems in the core > architecture the couldn't be fixed. A man name Linus resumed > work and named it Linux, although the security problems were > still there. > Actually no, Linus Torvalds with the help of a few others developed Linux from the ground up. This was because he was not able to find a *nix type OS that fit his needs at the time. As for the security problems, well I guess a while back they did discover some code which "could" present a security problem, but it was quickly fixed. Linux is a very stable, very secure *nix type OS, the big difference is in the design philosophy. BSD has traditionally used a monolithic kernel, where Linux was designed to be more modular. > BSD began as an idea of AT&T, who couldn't actually do it due > to anti-trust problems so they supported the efforts of > Berkley. That began in 1976. BSD is fashioned very close to > commercial Unix and, as explained to me, is almost an exact > clone with only minor differences. > UNIX belongs to AT&T, they developed it and it has been in use for years. Berkley was the ones who got their hands slapped for borrowing code and then gave up development. The BSDs, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD etc. picked up this code, made the needed changes and have continued development in line with their own individual visions of what it should be. > BSD has the security, the basic structure is completely not > crackable. It can only be compromised after other items are > added, FrontPage extensions is the worst. I have a public web > server run by a guy with 24 years of hacking Unix and BSD that > has seen 13 months with daily attempts to crack it, so far > without success. Zero compromises. I'm convinced! > Impressive, but the fact is as BSD becomes more popular and the user base expands (ie, we get more bad guys taking note of us) it may turn out that there are more security flaws than originally thought. > This turned into a "who's better" message but I don't know of > another way to explain it. I guess the direct answer is the > core of the kernel architectures are different. The other > part of your question is, those that study and really know, > like Apple, Yahoo and others, don't use Linux. Sometimes > people will use only what they have been educated on. It's > partly human nature. The real champs will find what's best > then modify their education. > Apples decision had more to do with licensing than "who is better". You also find a pretty impressive list of "Biggies" using Linux, IBM, Novell, Sun, ever heard of those guys? As far as who is better, I would have to say depends on what you want to do. For web servers, routers and the like, BSD may have an advantage, it has proved to be somewhat more secure than Linux. But here again, Linux has a much larger user base, so more crazies out there looking at it. For the desktop I would have to give Linux the advantage. As it will run Netscape, OpenOffice, and WordPerfect natively. I have found that a lot of the time the apps I use are a newer version than what my brother has for his Debian install, however Java and Flash actually work on his setup. > If you haven't read the BSD history on the FreeBSD site, it's > interesting. Yes it is. > > Russell Dickson By the way, Unix is a trade name that belongs to AT&T which is why it's usually type *nix, indicating a Unix like OS. As to the original question, why do we need Linux? Maybe we don't. But do we need FreeBSD when there's SCO and other Unix like OS out there. And do we really NEED three BSD variants? The best answer I can come up with is different people like different things, and choice is good. I used Linux for some time, but moved to FreeBSD. This was not because I see Linux as some grossly flawed OS that was all but unusable, it is because I like the way the ports collection works. -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 11:19:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C61A16A4CE for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A0643D5E for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:19:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 2A20D11E8A1; Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:19:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:19:26 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040111191926.GC85202@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:19:29 -0000 On Sun, Jan 11, 2004, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: >Hi, > >I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need Linux >while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD out there? Desktop applications. We're using SuSE's current Professional distribution and Apples OS X for most of our desktops, and a mix of FreeBSD and Linux for servers with most of the new servers being FreeBSD. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``There is nothing as stupid as an educated man if you get him off the thing he was educated in.'' Will Rogers From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 06:56:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7041E16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:56:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea2-f14.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C777043D55 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:56:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_choi@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:56:03 -0800 Received: from 203.168.166.168 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:56:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.168.166.168] X-Originating-Email: [freebsd_choi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: freebsd_choi@hotmail.com From: "c c" To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:56:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 14:56:03.0526 (UTC) FILETIME=[330C4660:01C3D91C] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:00:21 -0800 Subject: installation problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:56:05 -0000 Dear person in charge, i had an installation of FreeBSD 5.1 when i installed FreeBSD in the secondary SCSI hard disk , it could't properly install and abnormally reboot ,lastly the installation was incomplete, how could i solve the problem? best wishes, the new user of FreeBSD _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail Extra Storage讓你獲得10MB 額外儲存空間，請即申請！ http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=zh-hk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 07:28:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A0C16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:28:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from qtm.net (mummra.qtm.net [216.163.32.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 742CC43D5C for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:28:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from PTFD9100@beanstalk.net) Received: (qmail 46691 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 15:27:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fcoffice.ptfd.org) (ptfd9100@216.163.59.5) by mummra.qtm.net with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 15:27:07 -0000 From: "Michael W. Holdeman" Organization: PTFD To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" , Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:25:20 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401121025.20640.PTFD9100@beanstalk.net> Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:28:12 -0000 I have used FreeBSD, and love it. It is on my servers. For me, I have to run Win98se for just a few legacy apps, that will NOT be ported to linux or unix unfortunately. If we could get Netraverse to port Win4Lin to BSD I'd be totally on board. Untill then Gentoo is the distro the with a "portage" system as near to BSD as any I found. Mike On Sunday 11 January 2004 04:30 am, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need Linux > while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD out there? > > Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say that Linux is not > good, it's a failure or anything in this regards. All what I am asking > is, why do I have to learn Linux? (I did for a couple of months and then > started the FreeBSD way). > > I will appreciate if someone can shed a light on the differences, > commons, history, etc. > > Thanks. > > Cheers, > > Mazen > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Michael W. Holdeman Why keep payin g for windoze?? Powered by Gentoo Linux 1.2 www.gentoo.org Linux Kernel 2.4.22_rc2-gss lowlatency, preemptable Windows Apps thanks to Win4Lin 5.0 www.netraverse.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 08:57:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB3216A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from web21508.mail.yahoo.com (web21508.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2955843D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:57:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danimariepies@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.151.126.146] by web21508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:57:21 PST Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) From: Veronica Brainfluff To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Via Technologies Ethernet Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:57:23 -0000 I am wondering if FreeBSD will support my ethernet card. It is built onto the motherboard, which is a Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum. The driver for the ethernet doesnt give explicit detail about the card. It just calls it VIA PCI 10/100 Mb Fast Ethernet Adapter. Much of the onboard stuff is made by Via Technologies. I tried to find the model by searching for the driver listed in the Systems Config area of Windows and I think it might be SN5100TX. Has anyone found that specific model to work or will I be needing to visit the computer store soon? Thanks!! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 09:22:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7604C16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from chiapa.terra.com.br (chiapa.terra.com.br [200.154.55.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662EC43D1D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:22:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zuckerman@terra.com.br) Received: from potosi.terra.com.br (potosi.terra.com.br [200.176.3.36]) by chiapa.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F551EC02C for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:22:07 -0200 (BRST) Received: from pentagon (200-161-249-208.dsl.telesp.net.br [200.161.249.208]) (authenticated user zuckerman) by potosi.terra.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ABE63C055 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:22:07 -0200 (BRST) Message-ID: <000a01c3d930$c02120c0$0201a8c0@pentagon> From: "Zuckerman" To: References: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:22:58 -0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:22:11 -0000 Hi, How I change the prompt in console to [localhost@user /pathdir]# ? Thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 10:12:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E2816A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:12:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CC043D46 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:12:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 18580 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 18:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 18:12:47 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:14:06 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: "Zuckerman" Message-Id: <20040112201406.6001cdaa@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <000a01c3d930$c02120c0$0201a8c0@pentagon> References: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c3d930$c02120c0$0201a8c0@pentagon> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:12:51 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:22:58 -0200 "Zuckerman" wrote: Please don't use reply for a new message, it trashes threads viewing. > Hi, > > How I change the prompt in console to [localhost@user /pathdir]# ? It depend on the shell you use. For (t)csh you set the prompt variable in ~/.cshrc set prompt = "`hostname -s`>%/# " gives: it>/usr/ports# pwd /usr/ports it being the hostname. do a man csh and search for `prompt' (press / and write prompt and then ENTER; for search again press / and ENTER) untill you get to the `prompt' in the variables section, where you can see all teh options. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 10:25:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9115216A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 214E443D46 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from 192.168.0.200 (romulus-net.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.134]) i0CIJW7O028305; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:19:33 -0800 From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:25:35 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c3d930$c02120c0$0201a8c0@pentagon> <20040112201406.6001cdaa@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <20040112201406.6001cdaa@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401121025.35451.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.1(snapshot 20020919) (enterprise.sd73.bc.ca) cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:25:40 -0000 On January 12, 2004 10:14 am, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > do a man csh and search for `prompt' (press / and write prompt and > then ENTER; for search again press / and ENTER) untill you get to the > `prompt' in the variables section, where you can see all teh options. Save yourself a few keystrokes. To find the next occurence of a search term, just press the "n" key. :) -- Freddie Cash District HelpDesk / Network Admin http://www.sd73.bc.ca From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 10:38:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB3C16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:38:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7DC43D2D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:37:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 10813 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 18:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 18:37:58 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:39:21 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca Message-Id: <20040112203921.524999ec@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <200401121025.35451.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> References: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c3d930$c02120c0$0201a8c0@pentagon> <20040112201406.6001cdaa@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> <200401121025.35451.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:38:02 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:25:35 -0800 Freddie Cash wrote: > On January 12, 2004 10:14 am, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > > do a man csh and search for `prompt' (press / and write prompt and > > then ENTER; for search again press / and ENTER) untill you get to the > > `prompt' in the variables section, where you can see all teh options. > > Save yourself a few keystrokes. To find the next occurence of a search > term, just press the "n" key. :) n for (n)ext, huh ? :)) -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 07:00:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E4916A4D0 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea2-dav34.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.164.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3CC743D55 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:00:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_choi@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 07:00:26 -0800 Received: from 203.168.166.168 by sea2-dav34.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:00:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [203.168.166.168] X-Originating-Email: [freebsd_choi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: freebsd_choi@hotmail.com From: "=?big5?B?qr6n2qZwprk=?=" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:00:34 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 15:00:26.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[CFEA5B20:01C3D91C] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:55:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: installation problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:00:28 -0000 Dear person in charge, i had an installation of FreeBSD 5.1 when i installed FreeBSD in the = secondary SCSI hard disk , it could't properly install and abnormally = reboot ,lastly the installation was incomplete, how could i solve the = problem? best wishes, = the new user of FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 10:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62EF716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF89643D81 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:58:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4802 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ag7Fs-0002ah-3U; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:57:40 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:48:08 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN08R9; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:47:02 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:52:57 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <20040111191926.GC85202@alexis.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: <20040111191926.GC85202@alexis.mi.celestial.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401121052.57987.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Ag7Fs-0002ah-3U*0Bq1WR0hapw* Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:58:39 -0000 On Sunday 11 January 2004 11:19 am, Bill Campbell wrote: > On Sun, Jan 11, 2004, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need > > Linux while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD > > out there? > > Desktop applications. No need to use Linux just to get a desktop. I'm using KDE on FreeBSD at work and at home. It's all the desktop that I need. It does KDE on Linux does, because it's exactly the same desktop with exactly the same features. Ditto for GNOME. It is a bit harder to configure, but that isn't a problem in the corporate workplace where you have dedicated sysadmins. I think the only things keeping FreeBSD off of the corporate desktop are the availability of professional support and comprehensive binary security updates. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6240216A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:14:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7E643D31 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:14:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 9982 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 18:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 18:56:30 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:57:19 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca Message-Id: <20040112205719.2ec40f3e@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <200401121025.35451.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> References: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> <000a01c3d930$c02120c0$0201a8c0@pentagon> <20040112201406.6001cdaa@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> <200401121025.35451.fcash-ml@sd73.bc.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:14:26 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:25:35 -0800 Freddie Cash wrote: > On January 12, 2004 10:14 am, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > > do a man csh and search for `prompt' (press / and write prompt and > > then ENTER; for search again press / and ENTER) untill you get to the > > `prompt' in the variables section, where you can see all teh options. > > Save yourself a few keystrokes. To find the next occurence of a search > term, just press the "n" key. :) BTW, I've tried the following: set prompt = "`hostname -s`> %/ [%P] %? \n`fortune -a -s` \n :-) \n # " and sometime works OK, producing: it> /usr/ports [20:41:57] 0 OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything.:-) # but in other cases doesn't print the hole prompt: it> /usr/ports [20:43:12] 0 "Just once, I wish we would encounter an alien menace that wasn't ^^^^ it gives me the prompt at the end of the line. Any hints ? -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:25:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20F716A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD59443D5E for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:25:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from agnes (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1698931 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:17:54 -0700 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:26:00 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040112132600.4806ed9d@agnes> In-Reply-To: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040112165721.85994.qmail@web21508.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: Via Technologies Ethernet Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:25:57 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 08:57:21 -0800 (PST) Veronica Brainfluff insisted: > > > I am wondering if FreeBSD will support my ethernet > card. It is built onto the motherboard, which is a > Soyo SY-KT400 Dragon Ultra Platinum. The driver for > the ethernet doesn't give explicit detail about the > card. It just calls it VIA PCI 10/100 Mb Fast > Ethernet Adapter. I recently put together a bare bones kit that uses the Soyo SY-K7VEMPRO motherboard which also uses a lot of VIA on-board stuff and I was able to get all of it working. Video, sound, and the on-board ethernet. This one told me that it uses Realtek drivers in the quick start guide. You could start there if you can't find any other info. Did FreeBSD find the on-board NIC when you installed it? If it did then it's just a matter of going thorough dmesg and choosing the needed driver. Good luck. -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:34:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3879016A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:34:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2083743D48 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:34:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 6935 invoked from network); 12 Jan 2004 19:12:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 12 Jan 2004 19:12:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:13:47 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q? "=AA=BE=A7=DA=A6p=A6=B9" ?= Message-Id: <20040112211347.1096fb13@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: installation problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:34:06 -0000 On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:00:34 +0800 "=AA=BE=A7=DA=A6p=A6=B9" wrote: > Dear person in charge, How nice is to fell in charge :) Please wrap at 72 chars if possible. > i had an installation of FreeBSD 5.1 when i installed FreeBSD in the > secondary SCSI hard disk , it could't properly install and abnormally > reboot ,lastly the installation was incomplete, how could i solve the > problem? Please read http://www.lemis.com/questions.html for how to formulate your question and post to questions@freebsd.org=20 You will need to provide at least: 1. your hardware specs. 2. the point where the install fails 3. the error messages if any. Note also that the 5.2 Release is around the corner and that it could contain fixes for your problem. --=20 IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:36:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44FE16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BD443D55 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:36:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 09F4511E8AB; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:36:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:36:31 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040112193631.GD89868@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <20040111191926.GC85202@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <200401121052.57987.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200401121052.57987.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:36:58 -0000 On Mon, Jan 12, 2004, Johnson David wrote: >On Sunday 11 January 2004 11:19 am, Bill Campbell wrote: >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2004, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need >> > Linux while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD >> > out there? >> >> Desktop applications. > >No need to use Linux just to get a desktop. I'm using KDE on FreeBSD at >work and at home. It's all the desktop that I need. It does KDE on >Linux does, because it's exactly the same desktop with exactly the same >features. Ditto for GNOME. > >It is a bit harder to configure, but that isn't a problem in the >corporate workplace where you have dedicated sysadmins. I think the >only things keeping FreeBSD off of the corporate desktop are the >availability of professional support and comprehensive binary security >updates. ``A bit harder to configure'' is the key when deploying systems for commercial use, particularly in the desktop world. I can buy a $300 machine from Wal-Mart with SuSE pre-installed, and have it up and running on the network with all the essential desktop applications in less than fifteen minutes including adding a couple of RPMS (pam_ldap and nss_ldap) necessary for network logins. I can plug an Apple running OS X into the same network, install X11, and have access to all the same software plus some very high-end commercial packages that aren't available on any non- Windows Intel systems. Most of our SMB (Small-to-Medium Business) customers we have don't have dedicated sysadmins (how do you think we make our money :-). We want to be able to install systems that solve their problems at the least cost to them, and that we can support over the network easily. Their desktop machines are usually running behind a NAT box of some kind (frequently a FreeBSD box), and aren't running much other than the desktop applications. I can probably get anything to work on FreeBSD if I'm willing to put the time and effort into it, but dealing with rebuilding OpenOffice.org, the gimp, and all the other tools is something I would rather leave to others. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The man who produces while others dispose of his product is a slave.'' Ayn Rand From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 11:54:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCEC16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:54:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BA943D3F for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:54:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1441 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ag88D-0006pC-5w; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:53:49 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:47:00 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN09VJ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:45:49 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:51:44 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401121052.57987.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20040112193631.GD89868@alexis.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: <20040112193631.GD89868@alexis.mi.celestial.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401121151.44360.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Ag88D-0006pC-5w*wPYSArCHaq2* Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:54:01 -0000 On Monday 12 January 2004 11:36 am, Bill Campbell wrote: > ``A bit harder to configure'' is the key when deploying systems for > commercial use, particularly in the desktop world. I can buy a $300 > machine from Wal-Mart with SuSE pre-installed, and have it up and > running on the network with all the essential desktop applications in > less than fifteen minutes including adding a couple of RPMS (pam_ldap > and nss_ldap) necessary for network logins. I can plug an Apple > running OS X into the same network, install X11, and have access to > all the same software plus some very high-end commercial packages > that aren't available on any non- Windows Intel systems. I was thinking of businesses that have their own admins available, either as employees, contractors or third party support. I haven't done this for a living, but from my perspective, FreeBSD is easier and quicker to install than Windows for an experienced admin. Is FreeBSD that much more difficult to install and administer than Solaris? Yet there are hundreds of businesses (maybe more) deploying Solaris on the desktop. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 12:05:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97CED16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:05:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.wi.tuniv.szczecin.pl (gamma.wi.tuniv.szczecin.pl [213.155.164.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BF943D62 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:05:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mmaslowski@wi.ps.pl) Received: from amavis by gamma.wi.tuniv.szczecin.pl with scanned-ok (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ag8Ot-0003AV-00 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:11:03 +0100 Received: from af15.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([80.50.151.15] helo=wi.ps.pl) by gamma.wi.tuniv.szczecin.pl with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ag8Ot-0003AL-00 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:11:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4002FDFF.5090505@wi.ps.pl> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:05:19 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Mas=B3owski?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; PL; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: pl, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020300 Subject: i'm a newbie :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:05:27 -0000 hello everyone :) just wanted all of you to know that i'm a newbie! (heeee-hah!). i'm very glad to join the community. so far i have set my own desktop with fbsd 4.9 and i'm planning to deploy some webhosting services. i just love the system, it's functionality and reliability that have been introduced to me by the community. thanks in advance for your advices and help. best wishes to the fbsd community, mehow (michael, if you prefer it :) ) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 12:21:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4C6A16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:21:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mi.celestial.com (dagney.celestial.com [192.136.111.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A216043D5D for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:21:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bill@celestial.com) Received: by mail.mi.celestial.com (Postfix, from userid 203) id 52F6211E8A0; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:21:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:21:24 -0800 From: Bill Campbell To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040112202124.GA5442@alexis.mi.celestial.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401121052.57987.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20040112193631.GD89868@alexis.mi.celestial.com> <200401121151.44360.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200401121151.44360.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@celestial.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:21:32 -0000 On Mon, Jan 12, 2004, Johnson David wrote: >On Monday 12 January 2004 11:36 am, Bill Campbell wrote: > >> ``A bit harder to configure'' is the key when deploying systems for >> commercial use, particularly in the desktop world. I can buy a $300 >> machine from Wal-Mart with SuSE pre-installed, and have it up and >> running on the network with all the essential desktop applications in >> less than fifteen minutes including adding a couple of RPMS (pam_ldap >> and nss_ldap) necessary for network logins. I can plug an Apple >> running OS X into the same network, install X11, and have access to >> all the same software plus some very high-end commercial packages >> that aren't available on any non- Windows Intel systems. > >I was thinking of businesses that have their own admins available, >either as employees, contractors or third party support. I haven't done >this for a living, but from my perspective, FreeBSD is easier and >quicker to install than Windows for an experienced admin. I find almost anything easier to install than Windows! I don't know how many times I've had to do multiple installs to get Windows working more-or- less properly. I should never be within earshot of anybody more sensitive than a sailor or oil-rig roughneck when I have to work on Windows systems because my frustration level usually hits 10 rather quickly. I don't consider myself proficient at installing FreeBSD, compared to installing SuSE and older Caldera Linux as I've been doing the Linux installs for the better part of ten years while am a relative newbie on FreeBSD. It takes me about ten minutes to do a SuSE 9.0 network or DVD install here, where most of the time is in disk partitioning, selecting software packages, and doing the final hardware configuration (e.g. graphics, printers, scanner, etc.). We normally do NFS network installs since it requires no intervention between package selection and the final hardware configuration. >Is FreeBSD that much more difficult to install and administer than >Solaris? Yet there are hundreds of businesses (maybe more) deploying >Solaris on the desktop. The only business I know around here that may run Solaris on the desktop is Boeing, and they're hardly in the SMB category. The last time I installed Solaris on anything was on a Sparc IPX about seven years ago. Bill -- INTERNET: bill@Celestial.COM Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Freedom from prices is freedom from responsibility. You can simply pass laws, using the magic wand of government to satisfy your own desires at unspecified costs to be paid by others.'' -- Thomas Sowell Aug 2000 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 12:45:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B9616A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:45:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B5F43D62 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:45:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4766 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ag8vg-00049D-53; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:44:56 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:38:07 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDNN00QC; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:37:03 -0800 From: Johnson David To: freebsd@celestial.com, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:42:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> <200401121151.44360.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <20040112202124.GA5442@alexis.mi.celestial.com> In-Reply-To: <20040112202124.GA5442@alexis.mi.celestial.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401121242.59259.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Ag8vg-00049D-53*Y17FiDlXUj2* Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:45:27 -0000 On Monday 12 January 2004 12:21 pm, Bill Campbell wrote: > It takes me about ten minutes to do a SuSE 9.0 network or DVD install > here, where most of the time is in disk partitioning, selecting > software packages, and doing the final hardware configuration (e.g. > graphics, printers, scanner, etc.). We normally do NFS network > installs since it requires no intervention between package selection > and the final hardware configuration. FreeBSD is similar, despite the lack of GUI. It usually takes me about twenty minutes, but that's subjective, and I've never timed it. NFS and FTP installs are available. > The only business I know around here that may run Solaris on the > desktop is Boeing, and they're hardly in the SMB category. The last > time I installed Solaris on anything was on a Sparc IPX about seven > years ago. How do you think CDE became universally despised without a large amount of exposure to it? :-) Until we got bought ought by Siemens (a Microsoft-only corporation), we were a Solaris shop. Windows was used, but it was in the business unit, where the use of MSOffice was a near requirement. Elsewhere it was Solaris all the way, even on the desktop. I've met several other people who have Solaris on the desktop at their work as well. It's definitely not a small-business desktop, as the hardware and support isn't cheap. But a lot of large companies rely on it. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 12:49:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF1E16A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:49:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D53443D91 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:49:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:52:24 -0600 Message-ID: <400307E6.9070308@daleco.biz> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:47:34 -0600 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031124 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=B3_Mas=B3owski?= References: <4002FDFF.5090505@wi.ps.pl> In-Reply-To: <4002FDFF.5090505@wi.ps.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jan 2004 20:52:25.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[FB6B0570:01C3D94D] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: i'm a newbie :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:49:39 -0000 Micha? Mas?owski wrote: > hello everyone :) > > just wanted all of you to know that i'm a newbie! (heeee-hah!). i'm > very glad to join the community. so far i have set my own desktop with > fbsd 4.9 and i'm planning to deploy some webhosting services. i just > love the system, it's functionality and reliability that have been > introduced to me by the community. thanks in advance for your advices > and help. > > best wishes to the fbsd community, > > mehow (michael, if you prefer it :) ) > Welcome! FBSD is a great thing; in spite of the appearance of the mascot, I'd have to say it's "heavenly". Stability, Scalability, Community, Flexibility, Friendliness, and Virtuosity, all in a single package (well, the OS, that is... think of how many wonderful other "packages" there are to install!!) All aboard for Open Source!! Welcome to the future!! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 12 13:09:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47A316A4CE for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:09:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd1334.kasserver.com (dd1334.kasserver.com [81.209.148.177]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C8A43D39 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:08:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from thorsten@mandrakeuser.de) Received: from 192.168.0.2 (p508BECA9.dip.t-dialin.net [80.139.236.169]) by dd1334.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2332C294C6 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:08:34 +0100 (CET) From: Thorsten von Plotho-Kettner To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:07:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <4002FDFF.5090505@wi.ps.pl> <400307E6.9070308@daleco.biz> In-Reply-To: <400307E6.9070308@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401122207.50680.thorsten@mandrakeuser.de> Subject: Re: i'm a newbie :) X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:09:23 -0000 Hello. Am Montag, 12. Januar 2004 21:47 schrieb Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P.: > Micha? Mas?owski wrote: > > just wanted all of you to know that i'm a newbie! (heeee-hah!). i'm > > very glad to join the community. so far i have set my own desktop with > > fbsd 4.9 and i'm planning to deploy some webhosting services. i just I have the best results with 4.9 (because I had some trouble with 5.0 and 5.1, and 5.2 is in install-procedure). 4.9 - stable and wonderful (as I also like OpenBSD 3.4 and my Linux-Boxes) > > love the system, it's functionality and reliability that have been > > introduced to me by the community. thanks in advance for your advices > > and help. The community and the documenations are great, indeed! > FBSD is a great thing; in spite of the > appearance of the mascot, I'd have to say it's > "heavenly". Stability, Scalability, Community, > Flexibility, Friendliness, and Virtuosity, all in a single > package (well, the OS, that is... think of how many > wonderful other "packages" there are to install!!) Wow, a prayer ;) > All aboard for Open Source!! Welcome to the > future!! The future of what? Best wishes, Thorsten -- SO FAR - SO GNU - SO WHAT Open-/FreeBSD/MandrakeLinux From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 03:40:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6160C16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:40:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (sea2-f43.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.165.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812F243D1F for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd_choi@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 03:40:04 -0800 Received: from 203.168.166.168 by sea2fd.sea2.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:40:03 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.168.166.168] X-Originating-Email: [freebsd_choi@hotmail.com] X-Sender: freebsd_choi@hotmail.com From: "c c" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:40:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jan 2004 11:40:04.0198 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC5AF860:01C3D9C9] Subject: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:40:23 -0000 Dear person in charge, i had an installation of FreeBSD 5.1 when i installed FreeBSD in the secondary SCSI hard disk , it could't properly install and abnormally reboot ,lastly the installation was incomplete, how could i solve the problem? best wishes, the new user of FreeBSD _________________________________________________________________ 靈格風 : 學英語, 免費學日語 http://go.msnserver.com/HK/34698.asp From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 05:11:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2AB16A4E3 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:11:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghostsearchers.com (host217-42-156-220.range217-42.btcentralplus.com [217.42.156.220]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C249B43D4C for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:10:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from teilhk@hotpost.co.uk) Received: from ARLETTE ([200.67.187.13]) by ghostsearchers.com (ghostsearchers [217.42.156.220]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 40-md50000000054.tmp for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:13:20 +0000 Message-ID: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> From: "Teilhard Knight" To: "FreeBSD_Newbies" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:10:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Processed: ghostsearchers, Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:13:20 +0000 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 200.67.187.13 X-Return-Path: teilhk@hotpost.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:11:03 -0000 I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1. I have created by means other than the installation program, a partitioning of my disk (160 Gig), and I want to install on one of those partitions. I have three primary partitions and one extended where I have installed Linux in one logical partition. I want FreeBSD to go in another logical partition. When I installed 4.7 in another computer, I had no problems whatsoever. But with 5.1 the partitioning utility only sees the primary partitions, the first three and the extended one as a whole. It sees the extended partition as one partition without the logical ones created there. Apparently I must have the partition for FreeBSD as FAT, but other tools do not help me because the partition is too large to be FAT. Any help to solve this will be appreciated. Teilhard. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 05:48:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B4816A4D0 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829B943D5A for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 05:48:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 10664 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2004 13:48:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 13 Jan 2004 13:48:25 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:49:54 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: "Teilhard Knight" Message-Id: <20040113154954.4aa0d3ca@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> References: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD_Newbies Subject: Re: Partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:48:33 -0000 On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:10:19 -0600 "Teilhard Knight" wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1. I have created by means other than > the installation program, a partitioning of my disk (160 Gig), and I > want to install on one of those partitions. OK. > I have three primary partitions and one > extended where I have installed Linux in one logical partition. I want > FreeBSD to go in another logical partition. Not possible. > When I installed 4.7 in another > computer, I had no problems whatsoever. I doubt. > But with 5.1 the partitioning > utility only sees the primary partitions, the first three and the > extended one as a whole. You're talking about fdisk, right ? > It sees the extended partition as one partition without the > logical ones created there. Yes. > Apparently I must have the partition for FreeBSD as FAT, but other > tools do not help me because the partition is too large to be FAT. NO. FreeBSD partitions are UFS, with id 165 and not FAT. > Any help to solve this will be appreciated. You would do your self an us a a big favour reading: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/install.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 06:32:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12CFE16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:32:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.datapro.co.za (mail.uskonet.com [196.3.164.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2F443D55 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:32:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hnpatel@autostyle.co.za) Received: from [196.41.196.26] (unknown [196.41.196.26]) by smtp.datapro.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 908371895B3 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:32:42 +0200 (SAST) From: Hiren To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1074004397.187.66.camel@fbtab.h3p.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:33:17 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: hnpatel@autostyle.co.za X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:32:51 -0000 hnpatel@autostyle.co.za From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 06:34:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BDD416A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:34:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from thor.65535.net (thor.65535.net [216.17.104.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACEF343D55 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:34:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rghf@fsck.me.uk) Received: from [212.228.151.253] (helo=[172.16.0.1]) by thor.65535.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgPZD-0002zC-Jd; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 06:30:52 -0800 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:35:30 +0000 (GMT) From: Rus Foster X-X-Sender: rghf@bitch.localdomain To: Hiren In-Reply-To: <1074004397.187.66.camel@fbtab.h3p.co.za> Message-ID: References: <1074004397.187.66.camel@fbtab.h3p.co.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: hnpatel@autostyle.co.za X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:34:40 -0000 On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Hiren wrote: > hnpatel@autostyle.co.za > To subscribe please try http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies Rus -- e: support@vpscolo.com t: 1-888-327-6330 www.jvds.com - Root on your own box www.vpscolo.com - Your next hosting company From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 10:28:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DFA16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from web21506.mail.yahoo.com (web21506.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBD3A43D55 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danimariepies@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040113182837.92218.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.151.126.146] by web21506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:28:37 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: Veronica Brainfluff To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040112200042.CA6F016A4E7@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Xwindows problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:28:38 -0000 I tried to use XWindows for the first time, I typed xstart and it began to load. But it did not load because of errors. It said 'no screens found.' and that it could not find a keyboard or screen. How can I fix this problem? Do I need to run the set up again or is there a configuration area I can access? I imagine there is, I just don't know where. Thanks! Hap. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Link: http://www.americanas.com.br/ig/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 11:31:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA43416A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:31:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from magnolia.jensbeck.mine.nu (213-84-107-7.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.107.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765E143D55 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:31:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from albi@saynotomicrosoft.org) Received: from magnolia.jensbeck.mine.nu (magnolia.eyfa.org [127.0.0.1]) by magnolia.jensbeck.mine.nu (Postfix) with SMTP id 4550513CE9 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:58:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:58:30 +0100 From: albi To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040113195830.141c0d55.albi@saynotomicrosoft.org> In-Reply-To: <20040113182837.92218.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040112200042.CA6F016A4E7@hub.freebsd.org> <20040113182837.92218.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Xwindows problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:31:18 -0000 On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 10:28:37 -0800 (PST) Veronica Brainfluff wrote: > I tried to use XWindows for the first time, I typed > xstart and it began to load. But it did not load > because of errors. It said 'no screens found.' and > that it could not find a keyboard or screen. > > How can I fix this problem? Do I need to run the set > up again or is there a configuration area I can > access? I imagine there is, I just don't know where. would be helpful if you mention : - FreeBSD-version (e.g. 4.9 or 5.2) - brand and type/chipset of your video-card (e.g. S3 Virge) - what kind of monitor (14" that can do 800x600 etc.) - which setup-program did you try ? (xf86config etc.) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 11:38:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0471216A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B161043D55 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:38:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:2217 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AgUMc-0001ic-6I; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:38:10 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:31:18 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3ARWA; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:30:04 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Teilhard Knight , FreeBSD_Newbies Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 11:36:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> In-Reply-To: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401131136.01110.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AgUMc-0001ic-6I*RnHe9CVO6Gc* Subject: Re: Partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:38:30 -0000 On Tuesday 13 January 2004 05:10 am, Teilhard Knight wrote: > I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1. I have created by means other > than the installation program, a partitioning of my disk (160 Gig), > and I want to install on one of those partitions. I have three > primary partitions and one extended where I have installed Linux in > one logical partition. I want FreeBSD to go in another logical > partition. When I installed 4.7 in another computer, I had no > problems whatsoever. Not possible. FreeBSD must be installed to a primary partition. At the minimum, the root filesystem must be installed to a UFS filesystem on a primary partition. It might have been possible that you installed to an *extended* partition, blowing away any logical partitions underneath. > But with 5.1 the partitioning utility only sees > the primary partitions, the first three and the extended one as a > whole. That is correct, and by design. FreeBSD uses a different partitioning scheme that is not compatible with Microsoft's. IIRC, the original design of the PC assumed that each OS would have it's own primary partition. An analogy would be to think of primary partitions as houses, with logical partitions as subdividing a house into apartments. FreeBSD is not prevented from visiting other houses and apartments, but it must reside in its own house. Linux gets away with using Microsoft logical partitions because it is a squatter. It is using an empty apartment logically owned by another operating system. > It sees the extended partition as one partition without the > logical ones created there. Apparently I must have the partition for > FreeBSD as FAT, but other tools do not help me because the partition > is too large to be FAT. FreeBSD must be installed to the partition of type 165, not FAT, NTFS, EXT2, or anything else. It can access filesystems on others, but it cannot be installed to them. When you create your primary partitions, you must mark one of them as BSD (165). If you are creating them with FreeBSD (or Linux) fdisk, then the option is there. But if you are using DOS/Windows fdisk, it doesn't know about BSD partitions. So your options are to either leave unallocated space, or mark it as FAT remembering which one it is. Then during FreeBSD installation, create it or remark it as appropriate. That huge partition you are seeing is presumably the DOS extended partition. During FreeBSD installation, you can only see the primary partions, and an extended partition is really a primary partition. If you try to install to this extended partitition (by remarking it as a BSD partition), you will lose everything in the logical partitions underneath. Another drawback you have to be aware of is that the extended partition MUST be the last primary partition. For this and other reasons, I don't like extended partitions. With room for four primary partitions, you should rarely need an extended partition. Since this is freebsd-newbies, I cannot give you technical details on installation. But as an example only, here is how one possible partition layout for a dual boot between Windows and FreeBSD. THIS IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE: 1 - primary, NTFS, Windows operating system (ad1s1 under FreeBSD) 2 - primary, BSD (165), FreeBSD operating system (ad1s2) 3 - primary, FAT, shared data partition (ad1s3) The FreeBSD partition names are given in parenthesis, and these assume a single IDE harddrive (not SCSI or SATA). David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 12:02:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2975216A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:02:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from imo-m01.mx.aol.com (imo-m01.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD56243D6A for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:01:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Pdkilllourhy00@aol.com) Received: from Pdkilllourhy00@aol.com by imo-m01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r4.12.) id n.46.44df4af1 (4116) for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: Pdkilllourhy00@aol.com Message-ID: <46.44df4af1.2d35a8b0@aol.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:01:52 EST To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Problem with installing/running executables X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:02:33 -0000 Hi; I've just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE/i386 and am having a problem with the shell finding executable files as valid commands. This is an example of the problem I have: > su root Password: # cd /usr/local/apache2/bin # ls -l a* -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 74207 Jan 11 19:13 ab -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5360 Jan 11 19:05 apachectl -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8911 Jan 11 19:13 apr-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 8108 Jan 11 19:13 apu-config -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 24808 Jan 11 19:05 apxs # ./apxs ./apxs: Command not found. I'm at a complete loss, any help anyone can give would be appreciated. Thanks! -P. Killourhy From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 12:05:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51FA016A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:05:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from web14608.mail.yahoo.com (web14608.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A1C2043D67 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:05:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from plageotakes@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040113200525.32879.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.164.6.243] by web14608.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:05:25 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:05:25 -0800 (PST) From: peter lageotakes To: luismott@ig.com.br, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040113185439.1D2D843D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:05:55 -0000 --- luismott@ig.com.br wrote: > Hi, > I am from Brazil and i have an ECS DESKNOTE > In the computer i have FreeBSD 5.0 > But My winmodem does not work. > I use a LinuxDriver with sucess. > 疘's possible to use the same driver in FreeBSD? > Thanks! > Luis BSD > > _________________________________________________________ > Voce quer um iGMail protegido contra v甏us e spams? > Clique aqui: http://www.igmailseguro.ig.com.br > Ofertas imperd癉eis! Link: > http://www.americanas.com.br/ig/ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" If I remember correctly, FreeBSD does not support win modems. ===== ESCape with VI. Cheese A La mode. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 12:46:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 349E616A4CF for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:46:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25E143D55 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:46:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ron@bouncebk.com) Received: from user-119ajn2.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.78.226] helo=bouncebk.com) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AgVQS-0006L8-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:46:12 -0500 Message-ID: <400458F0.9040100@bouncebk.com> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:45:36 -0600 From: Ron McCy User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.6b) Gecko/20031205 Thunderbird/0.4 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4A6A8F0@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:46:15 -0000 My problem with Linux was with documentation. I'm just learning *nix for the first time and needed a lot of concise information. I found it hard to pick up a Linux book and be able to figure out "what" was "where" and how to transfer that information to the installation I was using....even if I was trying the distribution that came packaged with the book I was reading! FreeBSD is quite the opposite. I can pretty much "trust" what I read to be true to what is really going on with any given BSD system I'm trying to work with. Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: >Hi, > >I have a question that is bothering my brains. Why do people need Linux >while there are great stable UNIX based systems as FreeBSD out there? > >Please don't get me wrong, I am not trying to say that Linux is not >good, it's a failure or anything in this regards. All what I am asking >is, why do I have to learn Linux? (I did for a couple of months and then >started the FreeBSD way). > >I will appreciate if someone can shed a light on the differences, >commons, history, etc. > >Thanks. > >Cheers, > >Mazen > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > -- Ron McCurry BounceBack, Inc. 1-800-830-5255 ext 4806 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 13:17:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B416016A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:17:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail3.cableone.net [24.116.0.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C63343D5E for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:17:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from agnes (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail3.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 1901794 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 14:09:03 -0700 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:17:15 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040113151715.1ef1c4b5@agnes> In-Reply-To: <20040113185439.1D2D843D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> References: <20040113185439.1D2D843D1D@mx1.FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:17:06 -0000 Luis, If you are going to be using Linux and FreeBSD of any of the other BSDs, it would be in your best interest to pick up a "real" modem, while I have heard, and you have said that you were able to get the winmodem working with a driver, this will not always be the case. Also while Windows may require you to install a drive for a "real" modem, Linux and FreeBSD will use them with no special drivers just plug them in and go. A while back I was able to pick up a Diamond 56K external very reasonable at a local computer store moving sale. It worked great until I was able to get hooked up to broadband. As a side note, sometime I would like to travel to Brazil, from what I have seen and read, it looks like a very beautiful country, and I bet the weather is great. Good luck -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 13:33:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 516A316A4DB for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from web21506.mail.yahoo.com (web21506.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45FDE43D5F for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:33:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danimariepies@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040113213355.74374.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.151.126.146] by web21506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:33:55 PST Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Veronica Brainfluff To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040113200050.B422A16A54B@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: More info...related to problem with running XWindows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:33:56 -0000 I was not very specific on my problem, earlier. Let's see if this helps! :) - FreeBSD-version: 5.1 - brand and type/chipset of your video-card: ATI Technlogies, Mach64; 3D RagePro (atir), memory 8mb. - what kind of monitor: COMPAQ CV515, 15in. Can do up to 1024x768. - which setup-program did you try: I reinstalled FreeBSD after I sent the message, and I found that I did not completely configure the X server. I thought it would have solved the problem but this is what I got: (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: no screens found. I ran the xf86config -textmode. About...3 years ago I ran Caldera OpenLinux on my system with KDE and I was able to get it to work successfully. Thanks to those who've responded already! (especially albi for suggesting to respond with more info :P) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 13:43:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9940216A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:43:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2AE43D49 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:43:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4758 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1AgWJs-0005s9-3I; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:43:28 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:36:25 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3ATY2; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:35:18 -0800 From: Johnson David To: Veronica Brainfluff , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:41:14 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <20040113213355.74374.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040113213355.74374.qmail@web21506.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401131341.14727.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1AgWJs-0005s9-3I*olCSzPUAaPg* Subject: Re: More info...related to problem with running XWindows X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:43:54 -0000 On Tuesday 13 January 2004 01:33 pm, Veronica Brainfluff wrote: > - FreeBSD-version: 5.1 > - brand and type/chipset of your video-card: ATI > Technlogies, Mach64; 3D RagePro (atir), memory 8mb. > - what kind of monitor: COMPAQ CV515, 15in. Can do > up to 1024x768. > - which setup-program did you try: I reinstalled > FreeBSD after I sent the message, and I found that I > did not completely configure the X server. I thought > it would have solved the problem but this is what I > got: > (EE) No devices detected. > Fatal server error: > no screens found. > > I ran the xf86config -textmode. You need to send this question off to freebsd-questions. They're the ones to help you. Also include your XF86Config file, and the output of /var/log/XFree86.0.log. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 16:40:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F58A16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from holly.csn.ul.ie (holly.csn.ul.ie [136.201.105.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B4943D31 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:40:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bfennell@csn.ul.ie) Received: from skynet.csn.ul.ie (skynet [136.201.105.2]) by holly.csn.ul.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id E02E093916 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:39:59 +0000 (Eire) Received: by skynet.csn.ul.ie (Postfix, from userid 2582) id 76B31E9F6; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:39:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by skynet.csn.ul.ie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD047DAA for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:39:59 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:39:59 +0000 (GMT) From: Brendan Fennell X-X-Sender: bfennell@skynet To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: DWL G520 Wireless PCI card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:40:05 -0000 Hello, I have just installed freeBSD 5.2. to get my wireless card to work I had to load the ath driver manually. How do I get this driver to load at boot time ? Brendan. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 19:48:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D47CD16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:48:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D589443D4C for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:48:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jallen@aviating.org) Received: from jim.aviating.org (24-161-184-158.san.rr.com [24.161.184.158]) i0E3mpqJ007080 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:48:53 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> X-Sender: jallen@pop3.aviating.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:48:53 -0800 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Slim Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:48:55 -0000 Where would you start to learn FreeBSD if you were not a software major, or pro, and had no Unix background particularly? I had no trouble getting the hang of DOS, and put off going to Windoz as long as I could years ago. I've been following this list for quite a while, since before 4.7 came out, read the web pages, and am having a hard time getting to the point that I can do anything useful. Can anyone suggest an organized systematic approach to learning this stuff? It's almost like learning a foreign language with a different alphabet in that you can't learn anything until you can make heads or tails out of something and you can't make heads or tails out of anything until you learn. Maybe it's old dogs and new tricks, but can anyone suggest a good program (no pun intended!) of learning? Slim At 12:45 PM 1/13/04, you wrote: >My problem with Linux was with documentation. I'm just learning *nix for >the first time and needed a lot of concise information. I found it hard to >pick up a Linux book and be able to figure out "what" was "where" and how >to transfer that information to the installation I was using....even if I >was trying the distribution that came packaged with the book I was reading! > >FreeBSD is quite the opposite. I can pretty much "trust" what I read to be >true to what is really going on with any given BSD system I'm trying to >work with. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 13 21:31:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AE916A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:31:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from grenada.globat.com (grenada.globat.com [203.22.204.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6497043D2D for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:31:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: from tonga.globat.com (tonga.globat.com [203.22.204.117]) by grenada.globat.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.6) with SMTP id i0E5VnFp038203 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:31:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@mazenalzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 71118 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2004 05:31:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO MAZEN) (217.165.189.219) by tonga.globat.com with SMTP; 14 Jan 2004 05:31:48 -0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" To: "'Lute Mullenix'" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:31:12 +0400 Message-ID: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F572@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB4CF302F@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Win modem x FreeBSd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:31:51 -0000 Hi, I read the expression "real modem" at many *nix lista/groups but I don't know what does it mean. I know the difference between a winmodem and a real modem, that is; a real modem doesn't depend on the software (and maybe CPU cycles) to do the job. My question, how do you I know a real modem from a winmodem when I go purchase it? TIA Cheers, Mazen -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Lute Mullenix Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:17 AM To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd Luis, If you are going to be using Linux and FreeBSD of any of the other BSDs, it would be in your best interest to pick up a "real" modem, while I have heard, and you have said that you were able to get the winmodem working with a driver, this will not always be the case. Also while Windows may require you to install a drive for a "real" modem, Linux and FreeBSD will use them with no special drivers just plug them in and go. A while back I was able to pick up a Diamond 56K external very reasonable at a local computer store moving sale. It worked great until I was able to get hooked up to broadband. As a side note, sometime I would like to travel to Brazil, from what I have seen and read, it looks like a very beautiful country, and I bet the weather is great. Good luck -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 07:01:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E9916A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from web40606.mail.yahoo.com (web40606.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AEB2943D55 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:01:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from patterner@rocketmail.com) Message-ID: <20040114150115.15122.qmail@web40606.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.101.101.61] by web40606.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:01:15 PST Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:01:15 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Readle To: Slim , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: patterner@rocketmail.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:01:18 -0000 Not sure about an organized program of learning, but one book I found to be invaluable (and have seem several other people recommend) is Absolute BSD by Michael Lucas. Gives great overview of the OS and how it's put together. It covers things mostly from a server perspective, but a lot is still applicable to a desktop user. crr --- Slim wrote: > Where would you start to learn FreeBSD if you were not a software major, > or > pro, and had no Unix background particularly? I had no trouble getting > the > hang of DOS, and put off going to Windoz as long as I could years ago. > > I've been following this list for quite a while, since before 4.7 came > out, > read the web pages, and am having a hard time getting to the point that > I > can do anything useful. Can anyone suggest an organized systematic > approach to learning this stuff? It's almost like learning a foreign > language with a different alphabet in that you can't learn anything > until > you can make heads or tails out of something and you can't make heads or > > tails out of anything until you learn. > > Maybe it's old dogs and new tricks, but can anyone suggest a good > program > (no pun intended!) of learning? > > Slim > > At 12:45 PM 1/13/04, you wrote: > >My problem with Linux was with documentation. I'm just learning *nix > for > >the first time and needed a lot of concise information. I found it hard > to > >pick up a Linux book and be able to figure out "what" was "where" and > how > >to transfer that information to the installation I was using....even if > I > >was trying the distribution that came packaged with the book I was > reading! > > > >FreeBSD is quite the opposite. I can pretty much "trust" what I read to > be > >true to what is really going on with any given BSD system I'm trying to > > >work with. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 10:52:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB4016A4CF for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F262643D6D for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:51:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:4796 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Agq6q-0006QA-5Y; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:51:20 -0800 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:44:28 -0800 Received: from dhcp-46-107.acuson.com ([157.226.46.107]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id VDN3A0Z5; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:43:23 -0800 From: Johnson David To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:49:20 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F572@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F572@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200401141049.21129.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *1Agq6q-0006QA-5Y*XKbck9IoBeY* cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:52:02 -0000 On Tuesday 13 January 2004 09:31 pm, Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > I read the expression "real modem" at many *nix lista/groups but I > don't know what does it mean. I know the difference between a > winmodem and a real modem, that is; a real modem doesn't depend on > the software (and maybe CPU cycles) to do the job. My question, how > do you I know a real modem from a winmodem when I go purchase it? The reason they're called "real modems" is because "winmodems" are not genuine modems. Many necessary functions of the modem (in some cases the actual signal processing) have been offloaded to software. Even if you're strictly a Windows user, they're a bad choice. A good page to start is . In my experience, the best way to ensure that you're getting a real modem is to get an external modem. These will be more expensive, but are generally well built, and usable with many home consumer routers that can support serial modems (have a home network with dialup!). If you need an internal modem, here are some other tips. These are far from foolproof, but every bit helps. First, look at the price. Winmodems are cheaper. You're odds improve greatly if you avoid the cheaper models. Second, read the information on the packaging. If by chance the modem lists anything other than Windows and Mac as a supporting OS, it probably is a real modem. Using the page listed above, look for terms like "HCF" and avoid these. Finally, ask! Many clerks at computer stores are clueless, but you can find some that aren't. Tell them you don't want a winmodem. If they don't know, ask for their manager. If it seems as if they are just guessing, or telling you one isn't just to get the sale, verify that you can return the modem if they were mistaken. Hope this helps, David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 11:32:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CE416A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:32:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.cableone.net (scanmail2.cableone.net [24.116.0.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA3643D1D for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:31:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lute@cableone.net) Received: from agnes (unverified [24.116.60.169]) by smail2.cableone.net (SurgeMail 1.5d2) with ESMTP id 2111342 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:24:28 -0700 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:32:12 -0600 From: Lute Mullenix To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040114133212.30b2369b@agnes> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:32:09 -0000 While I did have some Linux experience, the book FreeBSD an Open Source Operating System for your Personal Computer by Annelise Anderson was what finally got me up and running for real. It pretty much takes you step by step on getting FreeBSD going, and getting you online. Covers ports, packages, new users, about every thing you need to know to get started. I would recommend it. On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 19:48:53 -0800 Slim insisted: > Where would you start to learn FreeBSD if you were not a > software major, or pro, and had no Unix background > particularly? I had no trouble getting the hang of DOS, and > put off going to Windoz as long as I could years ago. > > I've been following this list for quite a while, since before > 4.7 came out, read the web pages, and am having a hard time > getting to the point that I can do anything useful. Can > anyone suggest an organized systematic approach to learning > this stuff? It's almost like learning a foreign language with > a different alphabet in that you can't learn anything until > you can make heads or tails out of something and you can't > make heads or tails out of anything until you learn. > > Maybe it's old dogs and new tricks, but can anyone suggest a > good program (no pun intended!) of learning? > > Slim > -- Lute ************************ * Power Provided * * by * * FreeBSD 5.1 RELEASE * ************************ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 12:03:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DBA16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F21443D81 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:02:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-31-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.31] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AgrDM-0007yk-Qd; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:02:09 -0800 Message-ID: <40059FE3.8030309@countrypure.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:00:35 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slim References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:03:11 -0000 Slim wrote: > Where would you start to learn FreeBSD if you were not a software major, > or pro, and had no Unix background particularly? I had no trouble > getting the hang of DOS, and put off going to Windoz as long as I could > years ago. > > I've been following this list for quite a while, since before 4.7 came > out, read the web pages, and am having a hard time getting to the point > that I can do anything useful. Can anyone suggest an organized > systematic approach to learning this stuff? It's almost like learning a > foreign language with a different alphabet in that you can't learn > anything until you can make heads or tails out of something and you > can't make heads or tails out of anything until you learn. > > Maybe it's old dogs and new tricks, but can anyone suggest a good > program (no pun intended!) of learning? > > Slim > > At 12:45 PM 1/13/04, you wrote: > >> My problem with Linux was with documentation. I'm just learning *nix >> for the first time and needed a lot of concise information. I found it >> hard to pick up a Linux book and be able to figure out "what" was >> "where" and how to transfer that information to the installation I was >> using....even if I was trying the distribution that came packaged with >> the book I was reading! >> >> FreeBSD is quite the opposite. I can pretty much "trust" what I read >> to be true to what is really going on with any given BSD system I'm >> trying to work with. > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 12:04:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FAB16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:04:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from server945.gisol.com (server945.gisol.com [207.44.208.108]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832B743D69 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:03:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from webmaster@countrypure.net) Received: from 216-229-72-31-dialup-mo.fidnet.com ([216.229.72.31] helo=countrypure.net) by server945.gisol.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AgrEX-00081E-Ha; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:03:22 -0800 Message-ID: <4005A028.5030507@countrypure.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:01:44 -0600 From: Quintin Riis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031013 Thunderbird/0.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" References: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F572@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> In-Reply-To: <1691D8C9A2220149A8AF30209B5D0EB467F572@sc3.shuaacapital.co.ae> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server945.gisol.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - countrypure.net cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 20:04:58 -0000 Almost all 'real' modems are external. Mazen S. Alzogbi wrote: > Hi, > > I read the expression "real modem" at many *nix lista/groups but I don't > know what does it mean. I know the difference between a winmodem and a > real modem, that is; a real modem doesn't depend on the software (and > maybe CPU cycles) to do the job. My question, how do you I know a real > modem from a winmodem when I go purchase it? > > TIA > > Cheers, > > Mazen > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Lute Mullenix > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 1:17 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Win modem x FreeBSd > > > Luis, > > If you are going to be using Linux and FreeBSD of any of the other BSDs, > it would be in your best interest to pick up a "real" modem, while I > have heard, and you have said that you were able to get the winmodem > working with a driver, this will not always be the case. Also while > Windows may require you to install a drive for a "real" modem, Linux and > FreeBSD will use them with no special drivers just plug them in and go. > A while back I was able to pick up a Diamond 56K external very > reasonable at a local computer store moving sale. It worked great until > I was able to get hooked up to broadband. > > As a side note, sometime I would like to travel to Brazil, from what I > have seen and read, it looks like a very beautiful country, and I bet > the weather is great. > > Good luck > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 16:51:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDFD16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A90743D5E for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 16:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mj001@rogers.com) Received: from rogers.com ([24.43.93.57]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20040115005029.XBJI337742.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@rogers.com>; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:50:29 -0500 Message-ID: <4005E409.7000506@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:51:21 -0500 From: mj001 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slim References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040113194758.0305be90@pop3.aviating.org> <40059FE3.8030309@countrypure.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.43.93.57] using ID at Wed, 14 Jan 2004 19:50:28 -0500 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD Unix vs. Linux X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:51:34 -0000 Quintin Riis wrote: > > > Slim wrote: > >> Where would you start to learn FreeBSD if you were not a software >> major, or pro, and had no Unix background particularly? I had no >> trouble getting the hang of DOS, and put off going to Windoz as long >> as I could years ago. >> >> I've been following this list for quite a while, since before 4.7 came >> out, read the web pages, and am having a hard time getting to the >> point that I can do anything useful. Can anyone suggest an organized >> systematic approach to learning this stuff? It's almost like learning >> a foreign language with a different alphabet in that you can't learn >> anything until you can make heads or tails out of something and you >> can't make heads or tails out of anything until you learn. >> >> Maybe it's old dogs and new tricks, but can anyone suggest a good >> program (no pun intended!) of learning? >> >> Slim >> >> At 12:45 PM 1/13/04, you wrote: >> >>> My problem with Linux was with documentation. I'm just learning *nix >>> for the first time and needed a lot of concise information. I found >>> it hard to pick up a Linux book and be able to figure out "what" was >>> "where" and how to transfer that information to the installation I >>> was using....even if I was trying the distribution that came packaged >>> with the book I was reading! >>> >>> FreeBSD is quite the opposite. I can pretty much "trust" what I read >>> to be true to what is really going on with any given BSD system I'm >>> trying to work with. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I would also recommend Greg Lehey's book "The Complete FreeBSD". I also have "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "Absolute BSD". There is lots of overlap between them, but each one brings an original viewpoint and new nuggets of information. Greg's book is the one I keep coming back to, however. Now if I could only get my Nvidia video card to work properly with 5.1... From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 00:43:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2C416A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from redix.it (host49-169.pool8172.interbusiness.it [81.72.169.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 92D9F43D2D for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:43:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@redix.it) Received: (qmail 8680 invoked by uid 72); 15 Jan 2004 08:43:17 -0000 Received: from 192.168.0.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user roberto) by mail.redix.it with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:43:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1050.192.168.0.77.1074156197.squirrel@mail.redix.it> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:43:17 +0100 (CET) From: roberto@redix.it To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Subject: Swapped disks and now stuck in the mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 08:43:28 -0000 Date: 15 jan 2004 I've installed FreeBSD 4.9 on a ide0:0 (primary IDE, master hd) then ported the hard disk on a second PC and installed as ide1:0 (secondary IDE, master hd) without update the "/etc/fstab" file. When booting the kernel start probing devices, I see the disk as "ad2" then the kernel halts when trying to mount the root file system with the following message: mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a root mount failed: 6 At the prompt I've tried with "ufs:/dev/ad2s1a", now the right device, but it does not work. The solution is to instruct the kernel with the right device: but ad2s1a seems to be wrong... After several attempts I discover that the kernel must be started with the option "-a": with this flag the device "ufs:/dev/ad2s1a" is accepted by "mountroot> " and the boot proceed. Than I can change the fstab accordingly to make the change permanent. My question are: 1) I've made any mistake ? 2) Without the boot "-a" flag, why the kernel ask me a device and even it is the correct one vfs_conf.c:vfs_mountroot_ask() give me the error code 6? Thanks Roberto From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 11:58:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE5316A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:58:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CEC043D6A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEB824398; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:58:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 8B24324396; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:58:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:58:05 +0100 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: roberto@redix.it Message-ID: <20040115195805.GB99131@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <1050.192.168.0.77.1074156197.squirrel@mail.redix.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1050.192.168.0.77.1074156197.squirrel@mail.redix.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/pgp.txt X-URL: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/ X-Voice: +48 600 396 054 X-FreeBSD: Running FreeBSD? - Share the server config! - http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/FreeBSD/ X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS (prioris) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Swapped disks and now stuck in the mountroot> prompt X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:58:23 -0000 --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 09:43:17AM +0100, roberto@redix.it wrote: >=20 > Date: 15 jan 2004 >=20 > I've installed FreeBSD 4.9 on a ide0:0 (primary IDE, master hd) then > ported the hard disk on a second PC and installed as ide1:0 (secondary > IDE, master hd) without update the "/etc/fstab" file. >=20 > When booting the kernel start probing devices, I see the disk as "ad2" > then the kernel halts when trying to mount the root file system with the > following message: >=20 > mount root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > root mount failed: 6 >=20 > At the prompt I've tried with "ufs:/dev/ad2s1a", now the right device, but > it does not work. >=20 > The solution is to instruct the kernel with the right device: but ad2s1a > seems to be wrong... >=20 > After several attempts I discover that the kernel must be started with the > option "-a": with this flag the device "ufs:/dev/ad2s1a" is accepted by > "mountroot> " and the boot proceed. Than I can change the fstab > accordingly to make the change permanent. >=20 Hi, I will try to answer your questions.... ;) > My question are: > 1) I've made any mistake ? No. > 2) Without the boot "-a" flag, why the kernel ask me a device and even it > is the correct one vfs_conf.c:vfs_mountroot_ask() give me the error code > 6? I don't know this. Perhaps it's too late to change root to mount from. Cheers, greg -- Grzegorz Czaplinski "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFABvDNpw+idSSJRp8RAt1iAJ4/62m/xtSPoT4LQ1w9f/Nb6lcGFQCgsRyO eapzpqsl1dJkYGHGt5nO480= =5Nfr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 20:26:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EF2516A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from web21505.mail.yahoo.com (web21505.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.169.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3D4F43D41 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danimariepies@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040116042658.77132.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [137.151.126.146] by web21505.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:26:58 PST Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) From: Veronica Brainfluff To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20040115200056.4073916A4DA@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: boot up issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:26:59 -0000 I've found recently that when I boot into FreeBSD 5.1 it gets up to loading the config file and then it reboots. and it does this sometimes 2 times before it finally loads UNIX. what do you think is going on, here? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 22:11:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A499416A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA6043D77 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 639C12BD76 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:11:03 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91DAA51213; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:41:01 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 16:41:01 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Veronica Brainfluff Message-ID: <20040116061101.GK64370@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20040115200056.4073916A4DA@hub.freebsd.org> <20040116042658.77132.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8kI7hWEHMS8Z+7/0" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20040116042658.77132.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: boot up issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:11:19 -0000 --8kI7hWEHMS8Z+7/0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 15 January 2004 at 20:26:58 -0800, Veronica Brainfluff wrote: > I've found recently that when I boot into FreeBSD 5.1 > it gets up to loading the config file and then it > reboots. and it does this sometimes 2 times before it > finally loads UNIX. what do you think is going on, > here? Sounds like a technical question to me. This list is for chat; FreeBSD-questions is the list you want. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --8kI7hWEHMS8Z+7/0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFAB4B1IubykFB6QiMRAoAXAJ4xs7M86z1eMI1rUXM4xPG5ivbLIgCgjC+d 0xvyk0X8TqMwg+PH6TmkYEA= =VUuL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8kI7hWEHMS8Z+7/0-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 01:59:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E08B16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:59:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghostsearchers.com (host81-152-213-174.range81-152.btcentralplus.com [81.152.213.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44BCC43D64 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 01:59:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from teilhk@hotpost.co.uk) Received: from ARLETTE ([200.67.187.13]) by ghostsearchers.com (ghostsearchers [81.152.213.174]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 37-md50000000099.tmp for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:59:08 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c3dc17$47f73e10$210110ac@ARLETTE> From: "Teilhard Knight" To: "FreeBSD_Newbies" , "Johnson David" References: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> <200401131136.01110.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:58:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Processed: ghostsearchers, Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:59:08 +0000 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 200.67.187.13 X-Return-Path: teilhk@hotpost.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 09:59:05 -0000 > On Tuesday 13 January 2004 05:10 am, Teilhard Knight wrote: > > I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1. I have created by means other > > than the installation program, a partitioning of my disk (160 Gig), > > and I want to install on one of those partitions. I have three > > primary partitions and one extended where I have installed Linux in > > one logical partition. I want FreeBSD to go in another logical > > partition. When I installed 4.7 in another computer, I had no > > problems whatsoever. > > Not possible. FreeBSD must be installed to a primary partition. At the > minimum, the root filesystem must be installed to a UFS filesystem on a > primary partition. It might have been possible that you installed to an > *extended* partition, blowing away any logical partitions underneath. > > > But with 5.1 the partitioning utility only sees > > the primary partitions, the first three and the extended one as a > > whole. > > That is correct, and by design. FreeBSD uses a different partitioning > scheme that is not compatible with Microsoft's. IIRC, the original > design of the PC assumed that each OS would have it's own primary > partition. > > An analogy would be to think of primary partitions as houses, with > logical partitions as subdividing a house into apartments. FreeBSD is > not prevented from visiting other houses and apartments, but it must > reside in its own house. Linux gets away with using Microsoft logical > partitions because it is a squatter. It is using an empty apartment > logically owned by another operating system. > > > It sees the extended partition as one partition without the > > logical ones created there. Apparently I must have the partition for > > FreeBSD as FAT, but other tools do not help me because the partition > > is too large to be FAT. > > FreeBSD must be installed to the partition of type 165, not FAT, NTFS, > EXT2, or anything else. It can access filesystems on others, but it > cannot be installed to them. > > When you create your primary partitions, you must mark one of them as > BSD (165). If you are creating them with FreeBSD (or Linux) fdisk, then > the option is there. But if you are using DOS/Windows fdisk, it doesn't > know about BSD partitions. So your options are to either leave > unallocated space, or mark it as FAT remembering which one it is. Then > during FreeBSD installation, create it or remark it as appropriate. > > That huge partition you are seeing is presumably the DOS extended > partition. During FreeBSD installation, you can only see the primary > partions, and an extended partition is really a primary partition. If > you try to install to this extended partitition (by remarking it as a > BSD partition), you will lose everything in the logical partitions > underneath. > > Another drawback you have to be aware of is that the extended partition > MUST be the last primary partition. For this and other reasons, I don't > like extended partitions. With room for four primary partitions, you > should rarely need an extended partition. > > Since this is freebsd-newbies, I cannot give you technical details on > installation. But as an example only, here is how one possible > partition layout for a dual boot between Windows and FreeBSD. THIS IS > ONLY AN EXAMPLE: > > 1 - primary, NTFS, Windows operating system (ad1s1 under FreeBSD) > 2 - primary, BSD (165), FreeBSD operating system (ad1s2) > 3 - primary, FAT, shared data partition (ad1s3) > > The FreeBSD partition names are given in parenthesis, and these assume a > single IDE harddrive (not SCSI or SATA). Thank you, David. I checked what I actually did in the other computer, and you are right, I installed 4.7 in a primary partition of another disk. I appreciate you taking the time to explain to me about partitioning. I now downloaded FreeBSD 5.2, and I am giving it a try. I just hope I am not too newbie to deal with it. Teilhard Knight From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 02:05:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F5C16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ghostsearchers.com (host81-152-213-174.range81-152.btcentralplus.com [81.152.213.174]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEFB43D3F for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:05:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from teilhk@hotpost.co.uk) Received: from ARLETTE ([200.67.187.13]) by ghostsearchers.com (ghostsearchers [81.152.213.174]) (MDaemon.PRO.v6.8.4.R) with ESMTP id 52-md50000000099.tmp for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:05:49 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c3dc18$34b07050$210110ac@ARLETTE> From: "Teilhard Knight" To: "FreeBSD_Newbies" , "Ion-Mihai Tetcu" References: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> <20040113154954.4aa0d3ca@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:04:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Processed: ghostsearchers, Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:05:49 +0000 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 200.67.187.13 X-Return-Path: teilhk@hotpost.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:05:47 -0000 > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:10:19 -0600 > "Teilhard Knight" wrote: > > > I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1. I have created by means other than > > the installation program, a partitioning of my disk (160 Gig), and I > > want to install on one of those partitions. > > OK. > > > I have three primary partitions and one > > extended where I have installed Linux in one logical partition. I want > > FreeBSD to go in another logical partition. > > Not possible. > > > When I installed 4.7 in another > > computer, I had no problems whatsoever. > > I doubt. > > > But with 5.1 the partitioning > > utility only sees the primary partitions, the first three and the > > extended one as a whole. > > You're talking about fdisk, right ? > > > It sees the extended partition as one partition without the > > logical ones created there. > > Yes. > > > Apparently I must have the partition for FreeBSD as FAT, but other > > tools do not help me because the partition is too large to be FAT. > > NO. FreeBSD partitions are UFS, with id 165 and not FAT. > > > Any help to solve this will be appreciated. > > You would do your self an us a a big favour reading: > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/install.html > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/disks.html Thank you very much for your comments. I think that I learned from this experience. I hope one day to be able to help other newbies, but I am very short of time. Maybe that's the reason I keep being a newbie myself, although I installed 4.7 several months ago. Teilhard From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 02:45:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D280B16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:45:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from rdsnet.ro (smtp.rdsnet.ro [62.231.74.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A6B343D58 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 02:45:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from itetcu@apropo.ro) Received: (qmail 12088 invoked from network); 16 Jan 2004 10:33:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro) (81.196.25.19) by mail.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 16 Jan 2004 10:33:49 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:35:10 +0200 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: "Teilhard Knight" Message-Id: <20040116123510.78df4eda@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> In-Reply-To: <003201c3dc18$34b07050$210110ac@ARLETTE> References: <00b701c3d9d6$9c3d2ef0$210110ac@ARLETTE> <20040113154954.4aa0d3ca@it.buh.cameradicommercio.ro> <003201c3dc18$34b07050$210110ac@ARLETTE> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD_Newbies Subject: Re: Partitioning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:45:11 -0000 On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:04:54 -0600 "Teilhard Knight" wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:10:19 -0600 > > "Teilhard Knight" wrote: > > > > > I am trying to install FreeBSD 5.1. I have created by means other than > > > the installation program, a partitioning of my disk (160 Gig), and I > > > want to install on one of those partitions. [..] > Thank you very much for your comments. My pleasure. > I think that I learned from this experience. FreeBSD Handbook / FAQ / man pages usually have the answers. Checking the first saves time. > I hope one day to be able to help other newbies, but I am very > short of time. Maybe that's the reason I keep being a newbie myself, > although I installed 4.7 several months ago. I'm sure you will. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD user From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 19:10:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89BB16A508 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 042EE43D62 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:10:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i0H3AOFR054768 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:10:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i0H3AOWj054758 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:10:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 19:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200401170310.i0H3AOWj054758@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:10:29 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________