From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 11 00:10:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7340116A4CE; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5067B43D45; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:10:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0619AE07F; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29898-02; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4251CAE038; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040411071001.4251CAE038@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-03-21 - 2004-04-10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:10:13 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 1-Apr : Building a new box from scratch I need a new high end box http://freebsddiary.org/antec.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 11 03:06:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7D316A4D8 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ikobo.net (mail.ikobo.net [129.41.90.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC96A43D3F for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:06:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from support@ikobo.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 502) by ikobo.net with local; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:06:02 -0400 From: "iKobo Autoresponder" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Precedence: junk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 06:06:02 -0400 Subject: Re: thanks! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:06:04 -0000 This is an automated message from iKobo, Inc. Please do not reply to this message. You will not receive a response Hello and thank you for writing iKobo. To access customer support, please vi= sit our Online Customer Support Center. To visit our Support Center, just c= lick on the link below (or paste it into your web browser) or visit www.iKob= o.com and click "help". https://www.qualte.com/Templates/TemplateBlank.cfm?C=3D22047 Thank you for choosing iKobo, The iKobo Team From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 14:28:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE4E16A4CF for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-01-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6613D43D45 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:28:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jason@ec.rr.com) Received: from ec.rr.com (cpe-024-211-231-149.ec.rr.com [24.211.231.149]) i3DLSdSm016542; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <407C5C3F.9030805@ec.rr.com> Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:31:43 -0400 From: jason User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040330) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: myronsuziew@juno.com References: <20040401.175743.-96593.0.myronsuziew@juno.com> In-Reply-To: <20040401.175743.-96593.0.myronsuziew@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: raw newbie X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:28:43 -0000 myronsuziew@juno.com wrote: >Thanks for all the different sources of info to >choose from. I need a FreeBSD book to take with >me so I can go to a quiet place to digest this information. >Two little kids do make it harder to learn things. >Thanks. > >Myron > >________________________________________________________________ >The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > I have seen the freebsd book at barns and noble, I am sure you could order one from the place they sell the cds. Walnut creek I think? Funny thing is that is a concert hall in nc, a few hours from me. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 14:55:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CFF16A4CF for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (mta05-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE66143D1D for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andywhite@ntlworld.ie) Received: from deskgx ([81.98.90.156]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040413215437.QRAM4091.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:54:37 +0100 From: "Andrew White" To: Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 22:55:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcQfrN+i0+YGFToRSLSQideUGitrywB9NyGg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040413215437.QRAM4091.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> Subject: Wicontrol core dump 5.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 21:55:52 -0000 Running wicontrol -C on 5.2.1 release 1, causes Bus error (core dumped) as wicontrol goes above 255 stations, even though there are only 2 stations. Is -C option going to be depreciated, or is there a fix anywhere ? Tks .Andrew From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 13 23:46:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FF7F16A4CE for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hobbycar.cz (mail.hobbycar.cz [212.27.199.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3B17B43D31 for ; Tue, 13 Apr 2004 23:46:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from "") Received: (qmail 15074 invoked by uid 414); 14 Apr 2004 07:14:08 -0000 Date: 14 Apr 2004 07:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20040414071408.15073.qmail@mail.hobbycar.cz> From: "System Anti-Virus Administrator" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Tnz-Problem-Type: 40 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain cc: virus-admin@hobbycar.cz Subject: Illegal attachment type found in sent message "your name is wrong!" X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 06:46:46 -0000 Attention: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org. A Illegal attachment type was found in an Email message you sent. This Email scanner intercepted it and stopped the entire message reaching it's destination. The Illegal attachment type was reported to be: Neni dovoleno posilat do nasi site soubory .exe Please contact your I.T support personnel with any queries regarding this policy. Your message was sent with the following envelope: MAIL FROM: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org RCPT TO: joseffrancu@hobbycar.cz ... and with the following headers: From: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org To: joseffrancu@hobbycar.cz Subject: your name is wrong! Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:55:02 +0200 The original message is kept in: mail:/var/spool/qmailscan/quarantine where the System Anti-Virus Administrator can further diagnose it. The Email scanner reported the following when it scanned that message: --- ---perlscanner results --- Illegal attachment type 'Neni dovoleno posilat do nasi site soubory .exe' found in file /var/spool/qmailscan/mail108192684336315064/attachment.rtf.exe --- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 02:43:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9FB16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goodplanet.org (goodplanet.org [65.39.221.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 98E2643D1F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:43:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mazen.comp@alzogbi.com) Received: (qmail 5726 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2004 09:43:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO alzogbi.com) (mazen@alzogbi.com@83.110.130.226) by goodplanet.org with SMTP; 14 Apr 2004 09:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <407D3FD6.4070405@alzogbi.com> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:42:46 +0000 From: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Desktop RSS Aggregator X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:43:39 -0000 Hello all nOOBs, I am wondering what desktop RSS aggregators people on this list are using to subscribe to RSS feeds. Care to share? Cheers, -- Mazen S. Alzogbi http://alzogbi.com/mazen From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 03:56:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED4E16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web11704.mail.yahoo.com (web11704.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A832143D31 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wmd2001@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040414105611.78161.qmail@web11704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.196.18.67] by web11704.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:56:11 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 03:56:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Wade Dixon To: "Mazen S. Alzogbi" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <407D3FD6.4070405@alzogbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Desktop RSS Aggregator X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:56:11 -0000 I use the RSS Reader extension for the Mozilla Firefox Browser. It's very simple and works well. You can find it on the Extensions page for Firefox. http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/#rssreaderpanel Wade Dixon --- "Mazen S. Alzogbi" wrote: > Hello all nOOBs, > > I am wondering what desktop RSS aggregators people > on this list are > using to subscribe to RSS feeds. > > Care to share? > > Cheers, > -- > Mazen S. Alzogbi > http://alzogbi.com/mazen > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 05:06:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E284616A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111FD43D1D for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 05:06:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out3.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:06:57 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:06:54 +0100 Message-ID: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 12:06:57.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[FBCB4A20:01C42218] Subject: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:06:57 -0000 Hope everyone had a nice easter. I've decided to stop messing about with noisy old 486s for the gateway/ firewall. The one I've been configuring runs just fine but it has a large hot heatsink cooling some power transistor/regulator devices and I just don't trust it for 24/7 use in a cupboard... I'm going to get a Soekris Net4801 and fit a 30G HD from a broken laptop I was given. Just undecided whether to get it from the USA or Belgium (I'm in the UK); the 21%VAT against the better exchange rate etc. (Update: they were out of stock at the manufacturers so I've ordered one from http://soekris.kd85.com with case and 2.5" hard drive mounting kit. Got my name on the last one! I could have it before the weekend.) I don't know much about them at this stage, except they run FreeBSD of course and they're probably ten times as efficient as the thing I was going to use. http://www.soekris.com/ I'll write my findings here if no-one strongly objects. Some good pages I've found so far: http://www.xinu.nl/unix/soekris/net4801/ http://phk.freebsd.dk/soekris/ http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2= 330_9863_10524,00.html I'll be going against the recommendation to use a physically separate device for the firewall on the grounds that I can enable some server side filtering at the ISP and I can't afford two soekrises just now. So it will run ipf, ipnat, ipmon, ftpd, ntp, bind (caching only at first), sendmail and boa (web server). --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 08:57:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CBB16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:57:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7873743D5F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 08:57:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from andywhite@ntlworld.ie) Received: from deskgx ([81.98.90.156]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx>; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:55:34 +0100 From: "Andrew White" To: , Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 16:56:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> Thread-Index: AcQiGS7s1hP4Ht03RuurNw6M/P9mNgAH69KA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> Subject: RE: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:57:25 -0000 You might want to try m0n0wall http://www.m0n0.com/ You could forget having a hardrive at all and use a flashcard instead, leaving you with no mechanical parts to fail... .Andrew -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Murphy Sent: 14 April 2004 13:07 To: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Going small Hope everyone had a nice easter. I've decided to stop messing about with noisy old 486s for the gateway/ firewall. The one I've been configuring runs just fine but it has a large hot heatsink cooling some power transistor/regulator devices and I just don't trust it for 24/7 use in a cupboard... I'm going to get a Soekris Net4801 and fit a 30G HD from a broken laptop I was given. Just undecided whether to get it from the USA or Belgium (I'm in the UK); the 21%VAT against the better exchange rate etc. (Update: they were out of stock at the manufacturers so I've ordered one from http://soekris.kd85.com with case and 2.5" hard drive mounting kit. Got my name on the last one! I could have it before the weekend.) I don't know much about them at this stage, except they run FreeBSD of course and they're probably ten times as efficient as the thing I was going to use. http://www.soekris.com/ I'll write my findings here if no-one strongly objects. Some good pages I've found so far: http://www.xinu.nl/unix/soekris/net4801/ http://phk.freebsd.dk/soekris/ http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330 _9863_10524,00.html I'll be going against the recommendation to use a physically separate device for the firewall on the grounds that I can enable some server side filtering at the ISP and I can't afford two soekrises just now. So it will run ipf, ipnat, ipmon, ftpd, ntp, bind (caching only at first), sendmail and boa (web server). -- John. _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 10:51:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636E416A4CF for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:51:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B5FF43D31 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:51:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-199-35-146-206.rasserver.net ([199.35.146.206] helo=nbritton.org) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BDoXO-0000J5-00; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:51:03 -0700 Message-ID: <407D7A04.7050709@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:51:00 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew White , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> In-Reply-To: <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:51:07 -0000 I'll 2nd that, I've been a happy m0n0wall user since pb14 (mid 2003?). the thing "just works". http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ Andrew White wrote: >You might want to try m0n0wall >http://www.m0n0.com/ > >You could forget having a hardrive at all and use a flashcard instead, >leaving you with no mechanical parts to fail... > > >.Andrew >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of John Murphy >Sent: 14 April 2004 13:07 >To: newbies@freebsd.org >Subject: Going small > >Hope everyone had a nice easter. > >I've decided to stop messing about with noisy old 486s for the gateway/ >firewall. The one I've been configuring runs just fine but it has a large >hot heatsink cooling some power transistor/regulator devices and I just >don't trust it for 24/7 use in a cupboard... > >I'm going to get a Soekris Net4801 and fit a 30G HD from a broken laptop I >was given. Just undecided whether to get it from the USA or Belgium (I'm in >the UK); the 21%VAT against the better exchange rate etc. > >(Update: they were out of stock at the manufacturers so I've ordered one >from http://soekris.kd85.com with case and 2.5" hard drive mounting kit. >Got my name on the last one! I could have it before the weekend.) > >I don't know much about them at this stage, except they run FreeBSD of >course and they're probably ten times as efficient as the thing I was going >to use. http://www.soekris.com/ > >I'll write my findings here if no-one strongly objects. > >Some good pages I've found so far: >http://www.xinu.nl/unix/soekris/net4801/ >http://phk.freebsd.dk/soekris/ >http://www.amd.com/us-en/ConnectivitySolutions/ProductInformation/0,,50_2330 >_9863_10524,00.html > >I'll be going against the recommendation to use a physically separate device >for the firewall on the grounds that I can enable some server side filtering >at the ISP and I can't afford two soekrises just now. >So it will run ipf, ipnat, ipmon, ftpd, ntp, bind (caching only at first), >sendmail and boa (web server). > >-- >John. > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 11:20:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFF416A4CF for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436C143D3F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:20:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out2.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:20:14 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:20:11 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> In-Reply-To: <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 18:20:14.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[21933C20:01C4224D] Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:20:14 -0000 "Andrew White" wrote: >You might want to try m0n0wall >http://www.m0n0.com/ I may do if I get a flashcard but it'll have to be an HD for now and I would like a full userland. Looks a great project though. >You could forget having a hardrive at all and use a flashcard instead, >leaving you with no mechanical parts to fail...=20 True but I've read that flashcards tend to fail after a lot of writes and I need storage space anyway... --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 11:53:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939B216A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E98143D1F for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc02-chc-il-199-35-146-206.rasserver.net ([199.35.146.206] helo=nbritton.org) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BDpW7-0003ye-00; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:53:48 -0700 Message-ID: <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:53:46 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 18:53:50 -0000 John Murphy wrote: >"Andrew White" wrote: > > > >>You might want to try m0n0wall >>http://www.m0n0.com/ >> >> > >I may do if I get a flashcard but it'll have to be an HD for now and >I would like a full userland. Looks a great project though. > m0n0wall will run from a HD aswell as a CD-ROM/Floppy > > > >>You could forget having a hardrive at all and use a flashcard instead, >>leaving you with no mechanical parts to fail... >> >> > >True but I've read that flashcards tend to fail after a lot of writes >and I need storage space anyway... > Thats true but if you load the system onto a ram disk you only have to read off the flashcard once at boot up...... another way is mount the filesystem etc. on it and point /tmp, /var and swap onto a ram drive (corse why point swap to a ram drive LOL) basicly, minimize the need for the system to read/write (mainly write) to the flash card and you'll be fine. google around for embedded, bsd, mini, etc. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 12:55:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1209716A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF1443D2D for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 12:55:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:55:43 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:55:41 +0100 Message-ID: <9p5r70d2ph3g2aq0o07lb8slpa81h87p81@4ax.com> References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 19:55:43.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[7885EB60:01C4225A] Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:55:43 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: >m0n0wall will run from a HD aswell as a CD-ROM/Floppy Sure, but I'll be happier with the (becoming more) familiar full =46reeBSD and may even try current :| The php/XML speak was foreign to me too. >>True but I've read that flashcards tend to fail after a lot of writes >>and I need storage space anyway... >> >Thats true but if you load the system onto a ram disk you only have to=20 >read off the flashcard once at boot up...... Good point. I'll definitely try it (or pico) when I get a flashcard. >another way is mount the filesystem etc. on it and point /tmp, /var and=20 >swap onto a ram drive (corse why point swap to a ram drive LOL) I may even try swap on a ram drive just to see what happens :) It's only got 128MB though so I hope to keep as much of it available as possible for the applications. Though I guess /tmp and /var shouldn't grow much with no X running. Definitely a custom Kernel. Speaking of which; I ventured into OpenBSD land recently and was surprised by the size of the kernel compared to Free's GENERIC. But that's another story... >basicly, minimize the need for the system to read/write (mainly write)=20 >to the flash card and you'll be fine. >google around for embedded, bsd, mini, etc. Will do, thanks. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 13:46:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E370616A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5048D43D49 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:46:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:46:47 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:46:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Apr 2004 20:46:47.0994 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AF201A0:01C42261] Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:46:48 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: >m0n0wall will run from a HD aswell as a CD-ROM/Floppy Sure, but I'll be happier with the (becoming more) familiar full =46reeBSD and may even try current :| The php/XML speak was foreign to me too. >>True but I've read that flashcards tend to fail after a lot of writes >>and I need storage space anyway... >> >Thats true but if you load the system onto a ram disk you only have to=20 >read off the flashcard once at boot up...... Good point. I'll definitely try it (or pico) when I get a flashcard. >another way is mount the filesystem etc. on it and point /tmp, /var and=20 >swap onto a ram drive (corse why point swap to a ram drive LOL) I may even try swap on a ram drive just to see what happens :) It's only got 128MB though so I hope to keep as much of it available as possible for the applications. Though I guess /tmp and /var shouldn't grow much with no X running. Definitely a custom Kernel. Speaking of which; I ventured into OpenBSD land recently and was surprised by the size of the kernel compared to Free's GENERIC. But that's another story... >basicly, minimize the need for the system to read/write (mainly write)=20 >to the flash card and you'll be fine. >google around for embedded, bsd, mini, etc. Will do, thanks. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 14 17:52:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCAE16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EC4143D2D for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:52:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-229-162.rasserver.net ([209.109.229.162] helo=nbritton.org) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BDv6m-0004Ue-00; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 17:52:01 -0700 Message-ID: <407DDCA7.1010201@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 19:51:51 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> <9p5r70d2ph3g2aq0o07lb8slpa81h87p81@4ax.com> In-Reply-To: <9p5r70d2ph3g2aq0o07lb8slpa81h87p81@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 00:52:03 -0000 John Murphy wrote: >Nikolas Britton wrote: > > > >>m0n0wall will run from a HD aswell as a CD-ROM/Floppy >> >> > >Sure, but I'll be happier with the (becoming more) familiar full >FreeBSD and may even try current :| >The php/XML speak was foreign to me too. > I think your missing the whole point about m0n0wall... I guess maybe it's one of those things you have to try before you understand it. In the period of time I have been using it (1 year) I have spent a total of about 1 hour to setup AND maintain this box. The box is entirely managed through a web based interface (http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/screenshots.php), the only time you use the console is to setup the network cards at first boot (the box I have m0n0wall on has no monitor, keyboard, mouse, or serial console setup). Conbine the following: Consumer based Cable/DSL/Wireless Router (Easy of use, "appliance") Cisco Gateway/Firewall/VPN/Router/etc (Powerfull/Advanced) BSD (Rock solid and flexible) and you get m0n0wall in return. Invest $20 on a 32MB CF Card (http://www.pricewatch.com/1/226/1601-1.htm) (or use that notebook harddrive) and give m0n0wall a try, you wont be disappointed. My m0n0wall setup btw: Box: (P166/48MB Ram/1GB Hdd/4 NICs) Network Interfaces: (WLAN/LAN/DMZ/WAN) = (802.11b, Linksys WAP11 w/Parabolic Reflectors*/100BaseTX/100BaseTX/900Mhz NLOS Wireless T1) *Ez-12 Parabolic Reflector template from http://www.freeantennas.com/ Linksys WAP11: 18 dBm TX, -84 dBm RX (1mb), -75 dBm RX (11mb) + Ez-12 (12dBi Gain) = theoretical Max EIRP: 1400~ milliWatt (30dBm), witch translates into about 300m LOS, I used overhead transparency film, heavy duty aluminum foil, and toothpicks to build mine (Elmers spray adhesive to bond aluminum foil to the transparency film) total cost $3 for the toothpicks and aluminum foil, this is one of the only ways you can mod your radio hardware (because your not modding the hardware, it's a loop hope) and still be legal (EIRP and modding wise) with the FCC. The EIRP (Effective Isotopic Radiated Power) max for unlicensed use is 4000~ milliWatt (35dBm) btw. Every 3dB of gain you double the power, so lets say your that ahole down the street with the 36 dBi Gain modded sat dish connected to a normal everyday AP with about 17dBm Gain, add those two together and you get 53 dBm, so my gonads are exposed to the EIRP of 260 Watts of microwave energy every time I walk passed it. The formula for calculating free space path loss: L = 20 log(d) + 20 log(f) + 36.6 (where L=loss in db, d=distance in miles, f=freq in Mhz) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 02:05:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BAB16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from poczta.wup-katowice.pl (wup.katowice.pik-net.pl [213.216.66.36]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7938143D54 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 02:05:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arek@wup-katowice.pl) Received: from poczta (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by poczta (Postfix) with SMTP id E6B71256D63 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:17:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wup-katowice.pl (arek.wup-katowice.pl [213.216.67.82]) by poczta.wup-katowice.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3794256D5E for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:17:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <407E4DCD.2010303@wup-katowice.pl> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:54:37 +0200 From: Arek Czereszewski User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7a) Gecko/20040219 X-Accept-Language: pl, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Natd + 2 public IP and 1 alias X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: arek@wup-katowice.pl List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 09:05:37 -0000 Hi I'm newbie in ipfw and natd. Config like this: fxp0 - IP public (to my ISP) fxp1 - IP public 213.216.67.81 (on this IP work www, mail, dns and ftp) and 10 workstations with public IP conected fxp1_alias - 192.168.0.1 fxp1 conect to LAN (in LAN 10 workstations from my subnet 213.216.67.80/28 and 150 from 192.168.0.0/24). In /etc/rc.conf: ... gateway_enable="YES" firewall_enable="YES" #firewall_type="OPEN" firewall_script="/etc/fwrules" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="fxp1" // is this correct?? natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" ... /etc/fwrules fwcdm="/sbin/ipfw" $fwcdm -f flush # lo0 $fwcdm add 40 pass all from any to any via lo0 $fwcdm add 41 deny all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 $fwcdm add 42 deny all from 127.0.0.0/8 to any $fwcdm add 50 divert 8668 ip from 192.168.0.0/24 to any via fxp1 $fwcdm add 51 allow tcp from any to me 53 $fwcdm add 52 allow udp from any to me 53 $fwcdm add 53 allow tcp from any to me 80 $fwcdm add 54 allow tcp from any to me 25 $fwcdm add 55 allow tcp from any to me 995 $fwcdm add 60 allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any 53 $fwcdm add 61 allow udp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any 53 $fwcdm add 62 allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any 80 $fwcdm add 63 allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any 8074 $fwcdm add 64 allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to me 25 $fwcdm add 65 allow tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to me 995 $fwcdm add 66 fwd 213.216.67.91,8080 tcp from 192.168.0.0/24 to any 80 // it's OK for transparent proxy ? $fwcdm add 67 deny all from 192.168.0.0/24 to any $fwcdm add 80 allow tcp from 213.216.67.80/28 to any 53 $fwcdm add 81 allow udp from 213.216.67.80/28 to any 53 $fwcdm add 82 allow tcp from 213.216.67.80/28 to any 80 $fwcdm add 83 allow tcp from 213.216.67.80/28 to any 8074 $fwcdm add 84 allow tcp from 213.216.67.80/28 to me 25 $fwcdm add 85 allow tcp from 213.216.67.80/28 to me 995 $fwcdm add 86 allow tcp from any to 213.216.67.92 113 $fwcdm add 87 allow tcp from 213.216.67.92 to 150.254.64.64 6667 $fwcdm add 88 deny all from 213.216.67.80/28 to any # kill all ;) $fwcdm add 65000 deny log ip from any to any And now question: Is this rules OK? I don't connect server to internet before check rules. So if anybody can tell me what could i change, i do this. Or is this correct, and i can put server to internet. All man and how-to talk about 1 public and 1 private IP so i don't know what put in rules. Is anybody can help me? Thank you, Arek P.S. My english is awful, sorry. -- Arek Czereszewski | jid: aro(at)chrome.pl arek(at)wup-katowice.pl | gg: 1349941 "*nix is like a wigwam: no windows, no gates, apache inside." From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 03:14:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50D416A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net (flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.232]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D7243D53 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from dsc01-chc-il-209-109-229-162.rasserver.net ([209.109.229.162] helo=nbritton.org) by flamingo.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1BE3t2-0005gx-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 03:14:25 -0700 Message-ID: <407E6063.5030505@nbritton.org> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:13:55 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> <9p5r70d2ph3g2aq0o07lb8slpa81h87p81@4ax.com> <407DDCA7.1010201@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <407DDCA7.1010201@nbritton.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 10:14:27 -0000 This is a follow up to my way off-topic rant about the guy down the street. :-) Forgot to calculate for cable loss, pig-tails, removel of old ant., etc....but even with this factored in this guy is still way over the legal limits. this link should clear up everything I was talking about: http://www.ydi.com/deployinfo/wp-decibels.php?screen=print oh...btw the 300m range I quoted is real world at 11mb. I'm going 183m from the inside of one building to a stock Linksys WET11 point on the outside of another building with a heavy tree line on one side (plus a few braches in the way) and only one of its ant. directly pointed at it, the other is halfway pointed at another spot about 125m away from the WET11 and 33m away from the WAP11, giving it a coverage area of about 90 degrees. Nikolas Britton wrote: > John Murphy wrote: > >> Nikolas Britton wrote: >> >> >> >>> m0n0wall will run from a HD aswell as a CD-ROM/Floppy >>> >> >> >> Sure, but I'll be happier with the (becoming more) familiar full >> FreeBSD and may even try current :| >> The php/XML speak was foreign to me too. >> > I think your missing the whole point about m0n0wall... > > I guess maybe it's one of those things you have to try before you > understand it. In the period of time I have been using it (1 year) I > have spent a total of about 1 hour to setup AND maintain this box. The > box is entirely managed through a web based interface > (http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/screenshots.php), the only time you use the > console is to setup the network cards at first boot (the box I have > m0n0wall on has no monitor, keyboard, mouse, or serial console setup). > > Conbine the following: > Consumer based Cable/DSL/Wireless Router (Easy of use, "appliance") > Cisco Gateway/Firewall/VPN/Router/etc (Powerfull/Advanced) > BSD (Rock solid and flexible) > and you get m0n0wall in return. > > Invest $20 on a 32MB CF Card > (http://www.pricewatch.com/1/226/1601-1.htm) (or use that notebook > harddrive) and give m0n0wall a try, you wont be disappointed. > > My m0n0wall setup btw: Box: (P166/48MB Ram/1GB Hdd/4 NICs) Network > Interfaces: (WLAN/LAN/DMZ/WAN) = (802.11b, Linksys WAP11 w/Parabolic > Reflectors*/100BaseTX/100BaseTX/900Mhz NLOS Wireless T1) > > *Ez-12 Parabolic Reflector template from http://www.freeantennas.com/ > Linksys WAP11: 18 dBm TX, -84 dBm RX (1mb), -75 dBm RX (11mb) + Ez-12 > (12dBi Gain) = theoretical Max EIRP: 1400~ milliWatt (30dBm), witch > translates into about 300m LOS, I used overhead transparency film, > heavy duty aluminum foil, and toothpicks to build mine (Elmers spray > adhesive to bond aluminum foil to the transparency film) total cost $3 > for the toothpicks and aluminum foil, this is one of the only ways you > can mod your radio hardware (because your not modding the hardware, > it's a loop hope) and still be legal (EIRP and modding wise) with the > FCC. The EIRP (Effective Isotopic Radiated Power) max for unlicensed > use is 4000~ milliWatt (35dBm) btw. Every 3dB of gain you double the > power, so lets say your that ahole down the street with the 36 dBi > Gain modded sat dish connected to a normal everyday AP with about > 17dBm Gain, add those two together and you get 53 dBm, so my gonads > are exposed to the EIRP of 260 Watts of microwave energy every time I > walk passed it. > > The formula for calculating free space path loss: > L = 20 log(d) + 20 log(f) + 36.6 > (where L=loss in db, d=distance in miles, f=freq in Mhz) > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 05:19:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837FF16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B25C43D39 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:19:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out6.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:19:17 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:19:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> <9p5r70d2ph3g2aq0o07lb8slpa81h87p81@4ax.com> <407DDCA7.1010201@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <407DDCA7.1010201@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2004 12:19:17.0897 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFAFAF90:01C422E3] Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:19:17 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: >I think your missing the whole point about m0n0wall... > >I guess maybe it's one of those things you have to try before you=20 >understand it. In the period of time I have been using it (1 year) I=20 >have spent a total of about 1 hour to setup AND maintain this box. The=20 >box is entirely managed through a web based interface=20 But I prefer flat configuration files and ssh. I find things are much easier to remember when typed or pasted in and the way FreeBSD .confs are commented helps me learn. (I realise I wouldn't _have_ to use the GUI in m0n0wall.) >(http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/screenshots.php), the only time you use the=20 >console is to setup the network cards at first boot (the box I have=20 >m0n0wall on has no monitor, keyboard, mouse, or serial console setup). Hmm, I'm thinking of leaving another old laptop connected to the serial port permanently running a custom system health display ;) >Invest $20 on a 32MB CF Card=20 I already spent more than I could afford on the Soekris; even had to make a null serial lead out of two old mice leads! (Haven't tried it yet.) >give m0n0wall a try, you wont be disappointed. May do, but not just yet. I'll probably try 5.2.1 first and rely heavily on the details at http://www.xinu.nl/unix/soekris/net4801/ (Thanks Edwin.) >My m0n0wall setup btw: Box: (P166/48MB Ram/1GB Hdd/4 NICs) Network=20 >Interfaces: (WLAN/LAN/DMZ/WAN) =3D (802.11b, Linksys WAP11 w/Parabolic=20 >Reflectors*/100BaseTX/100BaseTX/900Mhz NLOS Wireless T1) All that technology but I can't email you because you've blocked my ISP because 195.188.213.5 found in dnsbl.sorbs.net. Damn spammers... --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 05:19:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E509116A4F2 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:19:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D2BE43D39 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out1.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:19:30 +0100 From: John Murphy To: newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:19:28 +0100 Message-ID: <9evs70pgonkcjsmesquio1sgind1l3kkcq@4ax.com> References: <3a8q70tlt97mcr8llt61ff158gtudful25@4ax.com> <20040414155534.GJTI1202.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@deskgx> <407D88BA.80200@nbritton.org> <9p5r70d2ph3g2aq0o07lb8slpa81h87p81@4ax.com> <407DDCA7.1010201@nbritton.org> <407E6063.5030505@nbritton.org> In-Reply-To: <407E6063.5030505@nbritton.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2004 12:19:30.0381 (UTC) FILETIME=[E72097D0:01C422E3] Subject: Re: Going small X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:19:31 -0000 Nikolas Britton wrote: >This is a follow up to my way off-topic rant about the guy down the=20 >street. :-) >Forgot to calculate for cable loss, pig-tails, removel of old ant.,=20 >etc....but even with this factored in this guy is still way over the=20 >legal limits. The directivity of high gain antenna would mean that the danger (if any) is limited (largely) to its beam path and width, so unless you're very tall you probably needn't worry too much :) I remember playing with an amateur VHF TV transmitter with a yagi at college back in the '60s. It could light a 6' fluorescent tube at 10'. It was interesting to feel a warmth in the ulnar while holding the driven element! Anyway, as you say, way off topic. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 05:30:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC4716A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk (smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.213.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EA4443D58 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jfm@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from lexx ([82.37.145.193]) by smtp-out4.blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:30:20 +0100 From: John Murphy To: arek@wup-katowice.pl Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 13:30:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <407E4DCD.2010303@wup-katowice.pl> In-Reply-To: <407E4DCD.2010303@wup-katowice.pl> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Apr 2004 12:30:20.0222 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A7675E0:01C422E5] cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Natd + 2 public IP and 1 alias X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jfm@blueyonder.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:30:23 -0000 Arek Czereszewski wrote: >Hi > >I'm newbie in ipfw and natd. Hi Arek You should send your question to questions@freebsd.org where you will hopefully receive a good quality answer. We just NATer on about newbie experiences here and the list charter specifically states we should not answer technical questions because of the limited peer review. You are welcome to come back here for a chat though. --=20 John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 14:07:19 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055AC16A4CF for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net (sccrmhc12.comcast.net [204.127.202.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72BB43D41 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:07:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cs@ctzen.com) Received: from europa.ctzen.com (h0040055d253a.ne.client2.attbi.com[24.147.64.178]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with ESMTP id <20040415210717012001g918e>; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:07:17 +0000 Received: by europa.ctzen.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7B7423B9D5; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:07:17 -0400 From: Chiang Seng Chang To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040415210717.GA60276@europa.ctzen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: pkg_version shows duplicate entries, may I deinstall old ones ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:07:19 -0000 Hi, I ran pkg_version and got this: autoconf autoconf docbook docbook docbook docbook docbook docbook libtool libtool This is with -v: autoconf-2.13.000227_5 autoconf-2.53_1 docbook-1.3 docbook-241_2 docbook-3.0_2 docbook-3.1_2 docbook-4.0_2 docbook-4.1_2 libtool-1.3.5_2 libtool-1.4.3_3 1. why are there multiple versions of the same "thing" ? 2. is it safe to pkg_deinstall the "older" ones ? 3. since I am using portupgrade, pkg_deinstall should be used instead of pkg_delete, right ? Regards, -cs From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 14:23:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB5A16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:23:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4442143D5C for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:23:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2326) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BEEJs-0006Lk-6F; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:22:48 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:12:42 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id HX2W7MMW; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:11:13 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 14:20:28 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <20040415210717.GA60276@europa.ctzen.com> In-Reply-To: <20040415210717.GA60276@europa.ctzen.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404151420.28190.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: Chiang Seng Chang Subject: Re: pkg_version shows duplicate entries, may I deinstall old ones ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:23:14 -0000 On Thursday 15 April 2004 02:07 pm, Chiang Seng Chang wrote: > This is with -v: > > autoconf-2.13.000227_5 > autoconf-2.53_1 > docbook-1.3 > docbook-241_2 > docbook-3.0_2 > docbook-3.1_2 > docbook-4.0_2 > docbook-4.1_2 > libtool-1.3.5_2 > libtool-1.4.3_3 > > 1. why are there multiple versions of the same "thing" ? > 2. is it safe to pkg_deinstall the "older" ones ? > 3. since I am using portupgrade, pkg_deinstall should be used instead > of pkg_delete, right ? Don't uninstall the "old" ones if you don't know what you're doing! In the case of autoconf and libtool, there are ports that depend on one particular version or another, so that you need the old ones around. These dependencies tend to be build dependencies, so you might be safe uninstalling them if you're short of room. But be prepared to see it installed the next time you update a dependent port. In the case of docbook, these are different versions of the docbook spec. Docbook documents will refer to specific versions, which you need to have. If you are not currently using docbook for yourself, you could get rid of them. But several ports needs them to create their own documentation, so they may get installed again "behind your back". portupgrade will keep everything straight for you. If it keeps "older" versions around, it does so for a reason. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 15 22:50:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6560C16A4CE for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from t-rex.incirlik.af.mil (t-rex.incirlik.af.mil [132.27.151.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CE943D58 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2004 22:50:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Ozgur.Ozdemircili@izmir.af.mil) Received: from t-rex.incirlik.af.mil (root@localhost) by t-rex.incirlik.af.mil with ESMTP id i3G5opd13073 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:50:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from inc-svr-navieg.incirlik.usafe.ds.af.mil (inc-svr-navieg.incirlik.af.mil [132.27.152.16]) by t-rex.incirlik.af.mil with SMTP id i3G5ooK13058 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:50:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from izm-exch-01.incirlik.usafe.ds.af.mil ([132.27.180.200]) id M2004041608505020416 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:50:50 +0300 Received: by izm-exch-01.incirlik.usafe.ds.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <23Z7J0TJ>; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:50:50 +0300 Message-ID: <7373DB1CFB205549B6A952E10BE0E6900B57FF@izm-exch-01.incirlik.usafe.ds.af.mil> From: Ozdemircili Ozgur Civ 425 ABS/SGST To: "'newbies@freebsd.org'" Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:50:49 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: Sky star2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:50:55 -0000 Hi, Did anyone managed to work Sky Star2 satallite card under FreeBSD? Is there any specific program that you can use to browse channels? Thanks Ozgur Ozdemircili http://www.enderunix.org http://haber.enderunix.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 07:17:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D4216A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tory.adsnet.com (tory.adsnet.com [206.158.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDC843D41 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 07:17:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmccay@tory.adsnet.com) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:17:22 -0500 Message-Id: <200404160917.AA187891978@tory.adsnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Jim Mc Cay" To: X-Mailer: cc: jmccay@adsnet.com Subject: newvirt - permission denied issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jmccay@tory.adsnet.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:17:32 -0000 Hello, Newbiee here. My name is Jim McCay and I was hoping that I could plead for some help. My unix expert is out on leave and I have an issue with a server he just upgraded to the latest version of freebsd. When I telnet in to the server and/or login in using the local keyboard on the server, and make changes to the /etc/mail/virtusertable, using the edit command, then I save the changes. The changes do stay saved. Then when I try to run the: ./ newvirt command, I get this message: ./: Permission denied. I'm at a loss and I REALLY need to commit these changes so that my users can start receiving email, again. Oh, forgot, I am logged in as a SU. Any ideas? Any suggestions - help would greatly be appreciated. Thanks. ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at tory.adsnet.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 08:23:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1D216A4CF for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tory.adsnet.com (tory.adsnet.com [206.158.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2270943D58 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 08:23:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmccay@tory.adsnet.com) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:23:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200404161023.AA58720556@tory.adsnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Jim Mc Cay" To: X-Mailer: cc: jmccay@adsnet.com Subject: Re: newvirt - permission denied issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jmccay@tory.adsnet.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 15:23:54 -0000 OK. This is how much of a novice I am with Unix. I talked to a bud and he knows a bit more than I do. From what I've been able to figure out, my unix guy wrote a script called "newvirt" that updates the virtusertable data base, but the script/file must not be executing correctly. My new question is: After one make changes to the /etc/mail/virtusertable and saves them, how does one get those changes updated - how does the virtusertable.db file get updated? So the server will recognize the new changes made to the recently edited virtusertable file? Thanks, jim ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Jim Mc Cay" Reply-To: jmccay@tory.adsnet.com Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:17:22 -0500 Hello, Newbiee here. My name is Jim McCay and I was hoping that I could plead for some help. My unix expert is out on leave and I have an issue with a server he just upgraded to the latest version of freebsd. When I telnet in to the server and/or login in using the local keyboard on the server, and make changes to the /etc/mail/virtusertable, using the edit command, then I save the changes. The changes do stay saved. Then when I try to run the: ./ newvirt command, I get this message: ./: Permission denied. I'm at a loss and I REALLY need to commit these changes so that my users can start receiving email, again. Oh, forgot, I am logged in as a SU. Any ideas? Any suggestions - help would greatly be appreciated. Thanks. ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at tory.adsnet.com _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ______________ ______________ ______________ ______________ Sent via the KillerWebMail system at tory.adsnet.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 10:17:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860F016A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8FE43D5C for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:17:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com ([157.226.230.209]:2127) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BEWxE-0000c1-6G; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:16:40 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:06:31 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-159.acuson.com ([157.226.46.159]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id JANGXBK4; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:05:14 -0700 From: Johnson David To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, jmccay@tory.adsnet.com Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:14:27 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.1 References: <200404160917.AA187891978@tory.adsnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200404160917.AA187891978@tory.adsnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200404161014.28337.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> cc: jmccay@adsnet.com Subject: Re: newvirt - permission denied issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:17:05 -0000 On Friday 16 April 2004 07:17 am, Jim Mc Cay wrote: > Hello, > > Newbiee here. My name is Jim McCay and I was hoping that I could > plead for some help. My unix expert is out on leave and I have an > issue with a server he just upgraded to the latest version of > freebsd. That was really mean of him to go on leave and not even tell you that you have to post technical questions about FreeBSD to the -questions list, and not the -newbies list! David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 10:20:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C246C16A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA9143D54 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 10:20:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:20:50 -0500 Message-ID: <408015C1.8090600@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:20:01 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040406 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jmccay@tory.adsnet.com References: <200404161023.AA58720556@tory.adsnet.com> In-Reply-To: <200404161023.AA58720556@tory.adsnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2004 17:20:51.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AA231F0:01C423D7] cc: jmccay@adsnet.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: newvirt - permission denied issue X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:20:04 -0000 Jim Mc Cay wrote: >OK. > > This is how much of a novice I am with Unix. I talked to a bud and he knows a bit more than I do. From what I've been able to figure out, my unix guy wrote a script called "newvirt" that updates the virtusertable data base, but the script/file must not be executing correctly. > >My new question is: After one make changes to the /etc/mail/virtusertable and saves them, how does one get those changes updated - how does the virtusertable.db file get updated? So the server will recognize the new changes made to the recently edited virtusertable file? > >Thanks, >jim > > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: "Jim Mc Cay" >Reply-To: jmccay@tory.adsnet.com >Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 09:17:22 -0500 > >Hello, > > Newbiee here. My name is Jim McCay and I was hoping that I could plead for some help. My unix expert is out on leave and I have an issue with a server he just upgraded to the latest version of freebsd. When I telnet in to the server and/or login in using the local keyboard on the server, and make changes to the /etc/mail/virtusertable, using the edit command, then I save the changes. The changes do stay saved. Then when I try to run the: ./ newvirt command, I get this message: ./: Permission denied. > > I'm at a loss and I REALLY need to commit these changes so that my users can start receiving email, again. Oh, forgot, I am logged in as a SU. > >Any ideas? > >Any suggestions - help would greatly be appreciated. > >Thanks. > > Generally, it is not recommended to ask questions to the "newbies" list, as the "newbie" community is small enough that any answer given may not be subject to enough peer review to ensure that the advice given is accurate. You might try freebsd-questions.@freebsd.org. Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 16 19:10:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785E016A4CE for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C1C43D2D for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i3H2A5bv079622 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i3H2A5TY079617 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200404170210.i3H2A5TY079617@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 02:10:05 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________