From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 00:44:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D3216A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:44:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aragorn.inter.net.il (aragorn.inter.net.il [192.114.186.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E575E43D41 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:43:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from .domain.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by aragorn.inter.net.il (MOS 3.4.6-GR) with SMTP id DUN35803; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:43:21 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:55:38 +0300 From: Ron Ganzer To: krinklyfig@spymac.com Message-Id: <20040718035538.7c9ba88e.ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.5-gtk2-20030906 (GTK+ 2.2.4; i386-portbld-freebsd5.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:44:00 -0000 hi, 1. i totaly agree with joshua!!! i used 5 linux distro's and the 3 unix's (just to broaden my distro span) and i fell in love with the daemon!!!!!! freebsd is no linux but compat is quite nice i would recommend you be smarter then i am and run stable (4.9) rather then latest (5.2) 4.9 will give you much more stability and a heck of a learning platform , while 5.2 is abit faster and with more hardware support but it still has issues and you wouldnt wanna get caught up in those. 2. if xfree goes out? ok.....unix(&linux) run a clean kernel to which any new standard will have to comply , so - no wories there!! besides - there was once an os called ........HMM........microsomething and people manage without it aswell :) 3. as for job ......... freeBSD is a VERY popular server platform indeed , HOWEVER getting a job would depend on the country your in! im in israel and (jobwise) freeBSD is hard to come by!(hence my being unemployed at the moment :( ) but there are numerous countries throughout the world in which it is HOT stuff (europe mainly - i think) BTW are there any other israelis here? id like to build up a freeBSD community here! hope that helps, Ron Ganzer On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 13:47:23 -0700 Joshua Tinnin wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* > On Saturday 17 July 2004 12:48 pm, Arun Swarup wrote: > > hi, > > > > i am considering moving over to FreeBSD from Linux (its too hot > > out there.... esp the M$ bashing) > > Eh ... well, I tend to ignore that when making a decision to use an OS or > other software. My concerns are: does it work? can I hack it for my own > purposes? does it suit my needs? etc. The politics aside from the basics > about open source can distract from the practical uses of the technology. For > instance, Linus Torvalds and Richard Stallman tend to disagree on some > fundamental philosophical issues, but it's not as if they haven't helped > create some very useful stuff in the meantime (even if Richard still insists > people call it GNU/Linux). > > > i have a few questions/concerns > > > > 1. I want a usable workstation & i want to prevent > > script-kiddies ripping thru my system. Is OpenBSD necessary? > > Not necessarily. FreeBSD is already very secure, but if you're that concerned, > then I recommend setting up a separate box with OpenBSD to act as a firewall. > Are you in a situation where you need very high security? This is where > OpenBSD excels: security, and your network will be more secure by design if > you do firewalling on its own dedicated machine. Also, OpenBSD's excellent > firewall, pf, has been ported to FreeBSD 5.x. FreeBSD is not as picky about > code improvements (the team at OpenBSD analyzes every line of code before > committing, which does take some time), therefore you're more likely to get a > better all-around workstation with a FreeBSD system than an OpenBSD system, > depending on what you want to do on it. For example, FreeBSD can work on more > hardware than OpenBSD, and you can still use XFree86 or X.org, and whatever > window manager you like (sometimes I prefer using IceWM, and other times I > prefer KDE, so they're both installed and used on my system, and I just > switched from XFree86 to X.org today). Generally, FreeBSD is a server > platform, but its stability and compatibility with Linux makes it a good > workstation choice, as well. I was originally going to set up this box to be > an OpenBSD workstation, not having used *BSD before but wanting a secure > system, but it wouldn't recognize my network card (it's fairly new, but it's > very common). The choice was made for me, but I'm happier for it. In time, > I'm planning on setting up another box to be used as a firewall with OpenBSD. > > > 2. What if x86 goes out-of-fashion? what happens then? > > Should i move to NetBSD? > > What happens? Good question ... However, in such a situation, I doubt that > FreeBSD would just sit on x86 and let it go at that. NetBSD is known for its > wide hardware compatibility, but it trades off stability to accomplish this. > It's great for tricky/odd/old hardware and embedded systems, but it's not so > great as a workstation or for webserving where stability is crucial, IMO. You > should also know that FreeBSD supports SMP and 64-bit CPUs. > > > 3. Will i get a job if i learn FreeBSD & neglect the > > inner-workings of Linux? > > Another good question. Something you might want to consider is that FreeBSD is > very popular as a webserver. It's consistently and often profusely listed in > Netcraft's longest uptime list: > http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html > > Hotmail used FreeBSD for a long time, and they may still use it. They don't > like to talk about it much, but it's not a rumor ... > > Anyway, I would consider using FreeBSD to be extending your skillset (but you > should know I've become enamored with FreeBSD since installing it, and so > sometimes I evangelize about it). Since you're coming from Linux, you'll > probably still use a lot of Linux apps on your FreeBSD system, and you'll > likely learn a thing or two about both systems because of it. It's not all > that different - they are, after all, both *nix systems. And you can easily > do a multi-boot system ... well, it depends on some factors, but it's not > difficult. Mine is tri-boot: FreeBSD, Slackware and Win2k. No need to dump > what you have, but I would recommend giving FreeBSD a shot. It may not be the > right workstation OS for you, but there's a good chance you'll come to like > it more than anything you've used so far ... ah, see, there's that > evangelizing coming through ;) > > - jt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 00:59:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFD216A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:59:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.170.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 78D9943D1F for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:59:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 00:59:12 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:00:10 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20040718035538.7c9ba88e.ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20040718035538.7c9ba88e.ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407171800.10328.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:59:12 -0000 On Saturday 17 July 2004 05:55 pm, Ron Ganzer wrote: > hi, > > 1. i totaly agree with joshua!!! > i used 5 linux distro's and the 3 unix's (just to broaden my distro span) > and i fell in love with the daemon!!!!!! freebsd is no linux but compat is > quite nice > i would recommend you be smarter then i am and run stable (4.9) rather then > latest (5.2) Isn't 4.10 the new STABLE? > 4.9 will give you much more stability and a heck of a learning > platform , while 5.2 is abit faster and with more hardware support but it > still has issues and you wouldnt wanna get caught up in those. Yeah, that's true. But I use 5.2.1-RELEASE (because of hardware), and there haven't been many issues. The only real issues I've had have been trying to get XFree86 to recognize my video card, but that's been solved with my migration to X.org - FreeBSD is adopting X.org as their default X server soon, so this keeps me a bit ahead of the curve. However, I don't ride on the bleeding edge with CURRENT, at least not yet. I'd like to learn more language-agnostic programming and work on development for FreeBSD, but I'm not quite up to par at this point ... > 2. if xfree goes out? ok.....unix(&linux) run a clean kernel to which any > new standard will have to comply , so - no wories there!! besides - there > was once an os called ........HMM........microsomething and people manage > without it aswell :) It looks like XFree is already on the way out, but FreeBSD has X.org in ports, so it's not that hard to upgrade even now. Just requires adjusting the dependencies through portupgrade (which, btw, is a very nice tool - FreeBSD is truly a full-fledged OS, as opposed to Linux, which is a kernel with whatever you want to throw on top of it). > 3. as for job ......... freeBSD is a VERY popular server platform indeed , > HOWEVER getting a job would depend on the country your in! im in israel and > (jobwise) freeBSD is hard to come by!(hence my being unemployed at the > moment :( Hey, join the club! ;) Not much work for web developers anymore, but I'm really more interested in network admin, but that's also why I'm using three different OSes at home right now. > ) but there are numerous countries throughout the world in > which it is HOT stuff (europe mainly - i think) Yeah, that's true, IIRC especially in Germany. > BTW are there any other israelis here? id like to build up a freeBSD > community here! I'm in the US, in California, but I know some people in the Israeli music scene who are also techies, and from what I understand you could probably find lots of people for such a community. Not sure if they'd be on this list, but it's a good place to ask ... - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 01:31:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CF516A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:31:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (mta04-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B4843D39 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:31:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.22]) by mta04-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040718012953.XJVB27819.mta04-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:29:53 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200407171800.10328.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20040718035538.7c9ba88e.ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org> <200407171800.10328.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1090114265.12802.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:31:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 01:31:06 -0000 On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 02:00, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2004 05:55 pm, Ron Ganzer > wrote: > > hi, > > > > 1. i totaly agree with joshua!!! > > i used 5 linux distro's and the 3 unix's (just to broaden my distro span) > > and i fell in love with the daemon!!!!!! freebsd is no linux but compat is > > quite nice > > i would recommend you be smarter then i am and run stable (4.9) rather then > > latest (5.2) > > Isn't 4.10 the new STABLE? > > > 4.9 will give you much more stability and a heck of a learning > > platform , while 5.2 is abit faster and with more hardware support but it > > still has issues and you wouldnt wanna get caught up in those. > > Yeah, that's true. But I use 5.2.1-RELEASE (because of hardware), and there > haven't been many issues. The only real issues I've had have been trying to > get XFree86 to recognize my video card, but that's been solved with my > migration to X.org - FreeBSD is adopting X.org as their default X server > soon, so this keeps me a bit ahead of the curve. However, I don't ride on the > bleeding edge with CURRENT, at least not yet. I'd like to learn more > language-agnostic programming and work on development for FreeBSD, but I'm > not quite up to par at this point ... > > > 2. if xfree goes out? ok.....unix(&linux) run a clean kernel to which any > > new standard will have to comply , so - no wories there!! besides - there > > was once an os called ........HMM........microsomething and people manage > > without it aswell :) > > It looks like XFree is already on the way out, but FreeBSD has X.org in ports, > so it's not that hard to upgrade even now. Just requires adjusting the > dependencies through portupgrade (which, btw, is a very nice tool - FreeBSD > is truly a full-fledged OS, as opposed to Linux, which is a kernel with > whatever you want to throw on top of it). > > > 3. as for job ......... freeBSD is a VERY popular server platform indeed , > > HOWEVER getting a job would depend on the country your in! im in israel and > > (jobwise) freeBSD is hard to come by!(hence my being unemployed at the > > moment :( > > Hey, join the club! ;) Not much work for web developers anymore, but I'm > really more interested in network admin, but that's also why I'm using three > different OSes at home right now. > > > ) but there are numerous countries throughout the world in > > which it is HOT stuff (europe mainly - i think) > > Yeah, that's true, IIRC especially in Germany. > > > BTW are there any other israelis here? id like to build up a freeBSD > > community here! > > I'm in the US, in California, but I know some people in the Israeli music > scene who are also techies, and from what I understand you could probably > find lots of people for such a community. Not sure if they'd be on this list, > but it's a good place to ask ... > > - jt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Just out of interest how hard is it to upgrade to Xorg? i too have just came over to freebsd, from a linux background and ive been following this thread. im too running 5.2.1 and im having endless problems with the nvidia driver and xfree, wondered if changing to xorg would help. do you need to pkg_remove xfree* first ? -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 02:45:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EF6816A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 385BB43D46 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:45:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp800.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 02:45:46 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 19:46:44 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171800.10328.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1090114265.12802.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> In-Reply-To: <1090114265.12802.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200407171946.44626.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 02:45:47 -0000 On Saturday 17 July 2004 06:31 pm, Glyn Tebbutt wrote: > Just out of interest how hard is it to upgrade to Xorg? i too have just > came over to freebsd, from a linux background and ive been following > this thread. im too running 5.2.1 and im having endless problems with > the nvidia driver and xfree, wondered if changing to xorg would help. do > you need to pkg_remove xfree* first ? Well, as has been mentioned, this isn't really a tech help list, so it's generally a better idea to subscribe and post tech questions to: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions But it did originally take me a while searching through my own archives of that list to find an explicit answer, and I don't mind helping when I can. I have an ATI Radeon 9600 XT, and although I still can't get 3D support in FreeBSD, I'm able to use it now. (As you probably know, if games are important you might want to consider having another OS installed somewhere. 3D support does work for my card using VESA with my Slackware install, but not with the radeon driver, oddly enough.) You have to deinstall and install in a specific order to get things all working together, though I've read other people say they just yanked XFree and installed X.org with no problems - it may work for some people, but it hasn't for others, and I wouldn't recommend that method. I'm going to paste in the message below from freebsd-questions which had the instructions I followed (the message will probably be word-wrapped, so keep in mind the commands between pkg_deinstall wrapper... and cd usr/ports... all start with portupgrade -o ). This worked for me. The message indicates version numbers which may differ from yours, but if you start in /var/db/pkg you can use tab-completion to easily find your own version numbers. Also, I have a 2MHz AthlonXP with 512MB, and my total time was around three hours, far less than the time it took on Geert's P3, but your mileage may vary. Just in case you don't know, make sure you're not running XFree86 while doing this. You should also run pkgdb after you install or update any X related package after you do this, but soon the X.org server will be the default, so that won't be an issue for too long. Otherwise, it's fairly painless. You might want to run pkgdb -F after rehash to make sure everything's in order, which is what I did - there were still a few minor things out of place. I used xorgconfig instead of merging my XF86Config with xorg.conf as Geert did, and tweaked it after I confirmed I could start up with what it had. The conf files are almost identical in format and shouldn't be difficult to transition. HTH, - jt From: Geert Hendrickx Date: Tue 29 Jun 04 5:29 am I followed Matthew's instructions to upgrade from XFree86-4.3 to X.org and it worked well.  It took about 14 hours on my laptop (a P3 with 64Mb or RAM).  I have not recompiled any other packages and I haven't had any troubles so far.   Here's how I did it exactly: cd /var/db/pkg         # so I can use tab-completion for the exact XFree86 version-numbers.   pkg_deinstall XFree86-4.0.1,1         # This is the metaport.  I deinstall it first because later it would         # complain about the stale dependency to wrapper: pkg_deinstall wrapper-1.0_3         # This is used by XFree86, but not by xorg.  I remove it because I         # suspect it could cause trouble with x11/xorg-server.   portupgrade -o devel/imake-6 imake-4.3.0_1 portupgrade -o x11/xorg-libraries XFree86-libraries-4.3.0_6 portupgrade -o x11/xorg-clients XFree86-clients-4.3.0_3 portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-encodings XFree86-fontEncodings-4.3.0 portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-100dpi XFree86-font100dpi-4.3.0 portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-75dpi XFree86-font75dpi-4.3.0 portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-cyrillic XFree86-fontCyrillic-4.3.0 portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-miscbitmaps XFree86-fontDefaultBitmaps-4.3.0 portupgrade -o x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype XFree86-fontScalable-4.3.0 portupgrade -o x11-servers/xorg-server XFree86-Server-4.3.0_14 portupgrade -o x11-servers/xorg-fontserver XFree86-FontServer-4.3.0_2 portupgrade -o x11/xorg-manpages XFree86-documents-4.3.0         # You could as well just pkg_deinstall XFree86-documents-4.3.0,         # since xorg-manpages is not required by the x11/xorg metaport cd /usr/ports/x11/xorg && make install clean         # This will additionally install x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-type1,         # x11-servers/xorg-vfbserver and x11-servers/xorg-printserver, which         # had no equivalents in XFree86.   pkgdb -u rehash Now, `find /usr/X11R6 -name "*[Ffe]86*"` says I've still got quite some XFree86-related files left, but according to pkg_which, most of them are claimed by some xorg-package.  I have merged my custom XF86Config with a generic xorg.conf and all seems to work well.   GH From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 03:17:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D5E16A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 46DCC43D45 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:17:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2004 03:17:44 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:18:42 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <1090114265.12802.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> <200407171946.44626.krinklyfig@spymac.com> In-Reply-To: <200407171946.44626.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407172018.42043.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 03:17:44 -0000 On Saturday 17 July 2004 07:46 pm, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > Also, I have a 2MHz AthlonXP Er ... that's supposed to be 2GHz, but I don't think Athlon ever made a 2MHz CPU, so you probably knew that ... - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 07:10:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBEC016A4CE; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:10:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4F743D1F; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:10:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64BFAE077; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 45610-07; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB0C9AE06A; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040718071007.CB0C9AE06A@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:10:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-06-27 - 2004-07-17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 07:10:15 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 16-Jul : 5.* on an IBM ThinkPad T41 Fun and games getting things installed http://freebsddiary.org/ibm-thinkpad-t41.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 11:53:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3593016A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:53:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (mta07-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB2043D41 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:53:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com) Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([213.106.176.107]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20040718114919.JHHM20214.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@[192.168.0.2]> for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:49:19 +0100 From: Glyn Tebbutt To: freebsd-newbies In-Reply-To: <200407172018.42043.krinklyfig@spymac.com> References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <1090114265.12802.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> <200407171946.44626.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <200407172018.42043.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1090151342.22276.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:49:02 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:53:17 -0000 On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 04:18, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2004 07:46 pm, Joshua Tinnin > wrote: > > Also, I have a 2MHz AthlonXP > > Er ... that's supposed to be 2GHz, but I don't think Athlon ever made a 2MHz > CPU, so you probably knew that ... > > - jt > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Thanks very much for the detailed answer, i will most sure try this out today, i really wish i could figure out what was causing my kernel panic with those nvidia drivers. And yes i did realise the mistake, i think 10mhz was there slowest thou :) -- *-----------------------------------------------------* | Glyn Tebbutt | d3c3it-linux@ntlworld.com | |--------------' http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d3c3it | | Lisa, if you dont like your job you dont strike, | | You just go in everyday and do it really half-assed | | Thats the American way. -Homer Simpson | *-----------------------------------------------------* From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 12:13:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B21916A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:13:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from eastgate.starhub.net.sg (eastgate.starhub.net.sg [203.116.1.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3652443D54 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:13:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pryan@singnet.com.sg) Received: from DellDual (cm169.sigma234.maxonline.com.sg [218.212.234.169]) i6ICDYPB015830 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:13:38 +0800 (SST) Message-Id: <200407181213.i6ICDYPB015830@eastgate.starhub.net.sg> From: "Peter Ryan" To: "'Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist'" Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:13:19 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcRswJzID14vfItjTk+4WyOdleDeXg== Subject: Trouble installing OpenOffice 1.1.2 on 4.10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: pryan@singnet.com.sg List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:13:43 -0000 Hi, I am struggling through my first installation. I want OpenOffice 1.1.2 to run on 4.10_RELEASE I have downloaded the install files from the OpenOffice site using KDE The install instructions for say to run ./setup -net I cannot get this setup to be recognised as a command. I have a sum total of a week's exposure to freeBSD (and anything else linux-ish), so even the most obvious will help. Thanks Peter From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 15:59:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D481D16A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:59:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAB6443D31 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:59:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from torstenvl@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so634520cwc for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.27 with SMTP id p27mr462817cwc; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <126eac4804071808593b74c22b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 11:59:44 -0400 From: Josh Ockert To: pryan@singnet.com.sg In-Reply-To: <200407181213.i6ICDYPB015830@eastgate.starhub.net.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <200407181213.i6ICDYPB015830@eastgate.starhub.net.sg> cc: Freebsd-Newbies Mailinglist Subject: Re: Trouble installing OpenOffice 1.1.2 on 4.10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 15:59:45 -0000 freebsd-newbies is not for technical support. please ask questions on freebsd-questions. try #chmod +x setup and *then* #./setup -net That's the only thing I can think of -- that setup is a script or something and not set to be executable. PS -- FreeBSD is not "linux-ish" Linux is Nix-ish, and BSD is Nix. On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:13:19 +0800, Peter Ryan wrote: > Hi, > I am struggling through my first installation. > I want OpenOffice 1.1.2 to run on 4.10_RELEASE > > I have downloaded the install files from the > OpenOffice site using KDE > > The install instructions for say to run > ./setup -net > > I cannot get this setup to be recognised > as a command. > > I have a sum total of a week's exposure > to freeBSD (and anything else linux-ish), > so even the most obvious will help. > > Thanks > Peter > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 18 17:06:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C4EF16A4CE for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:06:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1F0843D39 for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:06:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-203-241-116.client.insightbb.com[12.203.241.116]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with SMTP id <20040718170614i9200q1qdje>; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:06:15 +0000 Message-ID: <40FAAE00.4030803@nbritton.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 12:06:08 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josh Ockert , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200407181213.i6ICDYPB015830@eastgate.starhub.net.sg> <126eac4804071808593b74c22b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <126eac4804071808593b74c22b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Trouble installing OpenOffice 1.1.2 on 4.10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:06:16 -0000 >try >#chmod +x setup >and *then* >#./setup -net >That's the only thing I can think of -- that setup is a script or >something and not set to be executable. > yea try what he says... check that the script is executable using the ls command "ls -alF" (or just use "ll", an alias of ls for "long list" ) look for your file and then look to the left to make sure the x (executable) bit is set. if its not run "chmod +x setup", "chmod 777 setup", etc. to make the file executable. and if "./setup -net" still isn't workin try something like "sh ./setup -net" or "sh %full path name%/setup -net". Now would be a good time to read the man pages for ls, and chmod, and man..."man ls", "man chmod", and "man man". BTW why are you trying to do a network install (setup -net)? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 19 03:08:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5E8116A4CF for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:08:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.181]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54C9543D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:08:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp802.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 03:08:29 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 20:09:27 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407172018.42043.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <1090151342.22276.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> In-Reply-To: <1090151342.22276.1.camel@frozen.lazarus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407182009.27608.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:08:29 -0000 On Sunday 18 July 2004 04:49 am, Glyn Tebbutt wrote: > On Sun, 2004-07-18 at 04:18, Joshua Tinnin wrote: > > On Saturday 17 July 2004 07:46 pm, Joshua Tinnin > > > > wrote: > > > Also, I have a 2MHz AthlonXP > > > > Er ... that's supposed to be 2GHz, but I don't think Athlon ever made a > > 2MHz CPU, so you probably knew that ... > > > > - jt > > Thanks very much for the detailed answer, i will most sure try this out > today, i really wish i could figure out what was causing my kernel panic > with those nvidia drivers. I've heard of this happening to other people, though honestly I don't know what might be causing it. I've also heard that other people have solved this problem by upgrading to X.org, but I can't make any guarantees about how well that might work for you. My Asus mobo has nvidia hardware for the AGP slot, but the actual card is made by ATI, so I haven't had any personal experience with dealing with it. BTW, just today I installed Firefox, and I ran pkgdb -F to fix stale dependencies on XFree86. However, in doing so I also discovered that the reason docproj wasn't working as I installed it is because it also had stale dependencies on XFree86. If you are familiar with the interactive way you can fix these issues with pkgdb -F, then you shouldn't have any problems, but you should check if there are issues whenever you install or update applications, just in case. I knew Firefox depended on XFree86 by the build and clean messages, but I wasn't paying attention during the docproj build. Anyhoot, like I said before installing X.org now means an extra step or two on your part after installing X dependent apps, but it also shouldn't be an issue when the next STABLE is released. > And yes i did realise the mistake, i think 10mhz was there slowest thou Really? I wasn't aware Athlon had been around that long ... - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 19 04:19:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F2716A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:19:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8991C43D1F for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:19:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from torstenvl@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r62so640569cwc for ; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.11.117.27 with SMTP id p27mr466230cwc; Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <126eac48040718211955502dc7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:19:49 -0400 From: Josh Ockert To: krinklyfig@spymac.com In-Reply-To: <200407182009.27608.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407172018.42043.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <200407182009.27608.krinklyfig@spymac.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:19:51 -0000 > > And yes i did realise the mistake, i think 10mhz was there slowest thou > > Really? I wasn't aware Athlon had been around that long ... the slowest [Athlon]? No. there [sic] slowest? Perhaps. AMD has been around for a long time. I've seen some onboard stuff of theirs on like i386s and stuff. I think. Not sure though. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 19 04:25:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A5E16A4CE for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:25:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32EB343D1D for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:25:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp801.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2004 04:25:50 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 21:26:49 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407182009.27608.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <126eac48040718211955502dc7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <126eac48040718211955502dc7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407182126.49495.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 04:25:51 -0000 On Sunday 18 July 2004 09:19 pm, Josh Ockert wrote: > > > And yes i did realise the mistake, i think 10mhz was there slowest thou > > > > Really? I wasn't aware Athlon had been around that long ... > > the slowest [Athlon]? No. there [sic] slowest? Perhaps. > > AMD has been around for a long time. I've seen some onboard stuff of > theirs on like i386s and stuff. I think. Not sure though. Right, AMD. It's been a hot day, and my brain isn't working so well ... Properly, then, "I wasn't aware that AMD had been around that long." However, that was not my misspelling of "their." Anyway ... - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 20 20:55:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B6C16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:55:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (chylonia.3miasto.net [213.192.74.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805E343D53 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:55:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from chylonia.3miasto.net (wojtek@localhost [127.0.0.1]) i6KKt9jX034876; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:55:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost)i6KKt9PA034873; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:55:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@tensor.3miasto.net) X-Authentication-Warning: chylonia.3miasto.net: wojtek owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:55:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar X-X-Sender: wojtek@chylonia.3miasto.net To: Joshua Tinnin In-Reply-To: <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Message-ID: <20040720225420.S33865@chylonia.3miasto.net> References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:55:09 -0000 > > Eh ... well, I tend to ignore that when making a decision to use an OS or i tend to not ignore that - just i use it as argument against. less popular software (and with less information noise with it) is better. this rule works for years. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 20 21:30:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC7C16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:30:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web21527.mail.yahoo.com (web21527.mail.yahoo.com [66.163.170.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C320B43D5F for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:30:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from time_to_hack@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20040720213002.95461.qmail@web21527.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.248.72.254] by web21527.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:30:02 PDT Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:30:02 -0700 (PDT) From: bsd hack To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: FreeBSD Security features X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:30:03 -0000 Hi, I have been trying to understand the security features of FreeBSD. I have read the FreeBSD handbook... I have seen that FreeBSD is mentioned as the most secure OS to use. I dont understand why it's security features are considered to be better than that of the other OS's. I'm kind of new to this and haven't done much research on this. I'm basically trying to understand the security features of FreeBSD... Can somebody give me pointers to a few useful links which will help me in understanding the security features in different OS's and how FreeBSD differs. -HKR --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 20 22:08:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D6E16A4CE for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:08:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7DA43D46 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:08:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:10:01 -0500 Message-ID: <40FD97D0.9080806@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:08:16 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bsd hack References: <20040720213002.95461.qmail@web21527.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20040720213002.95461.qmail@web21527.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2004 22:10:02.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DCB92B0:01C46EA6] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Security features X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:08:20 -0000 bsd hack wrote: >Hi, > I have been trying to understand the security features of FreeBSD. I have read the FreeBSD handbook... I have seen that FreeBSD is mentioned as the most secure OS to use. I dont understand why it's security features are considered to be better than that of the other OS's. I'm kind of new to this and haven't done much research on this. > >I'm basically trying to understand the security features of FreeBSD... Can somebody give me pointers to a few useful links which will help me in understanding the security features in different OS's and how FreeBSD differs. > >-HKR > > Actually, among the BSD's, OpenBSD has the reputation of being "most secure." And, as far as security goes, it's a matter of how the machine and operating system are configured, and monitored. IOW, a paranoid sysadmin goes a long way toward making a system, any system, secure. Also, remember that in reality, the most secure system is one that's not connected to any other system inside something like a bank vault. However, that's not very usable. With FreeBSD, one of the nice things is that you don't have to run any services that are open to the outside world if you don't have to, (compare that to some Windows issues), and the firewall is fully configurable, given some knowledge of the command syntax (try filtering outbound traffic with WinXP's builtin firewall....) Unix-like operating systems had filesystem permissions and uid's before Windows and the like came into existence. Maybe that's part of what someone was thinking when they told you "FreeBSD was the most secure." Now, given that, I certainly feel much more secure with FreeBSD than MS Windows...but it's probably not a really well-founded feeling, other than those things mentioned above. KDK From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 21 11:31:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D43416A4CF for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:31:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [66.163.168.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C235E43D41 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:31:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@spymac.com) Received: from unknown (HELO smogmonster.com) (jtinnin@pacbell.net@64.173.26.85 with login) by smtp808.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Jul 2004 11:31:52 -0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 04:32:50 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20040720225420.S33865@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20040720225420.S33865@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200407210432.51429.krinklyfig@spymac.com> Subject: Re: X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: krinklyfig@spymac.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 11:31:53 -0000 On Tuesday 20 July 2004 01:55 pm, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > > Eh ... well, I tend to ignore that when making a decision to use an OS or > > i tend to not ignore that - just i use it as argument against. > > less popular software (and with less information noise with it) is better. > this rule works for years. Since FreeBSD is very popular as a webserver OS, I wonder if your logic means it's not as good as, say, running a website on Amiga. Don't get me wrong, as I think Amiga's cool ... Would you not want to run a website on FreeBSD, since so many sites do? I guess this also means Apache is garbage, since it's so popular. What are you going to do if FreeBSD becomes even more popular? Quit using it? Here's something you might want to check out: http://www.sics.se/~adam/contiki/ - and I also think this is cool, as my first computer was an Apple IIe, but is it what you need? It's far less popular than FreeBSD, so maybe that means it's better. I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but I don't really see your logic. - jt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 21 17:53:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44F316A4CE for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:53:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zumba.com (3-149.ctame702-4.telepar.net.br [200.140.200.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24A443D3F for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:53:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zumba@zumba.com) Received: from zumba.com (localhost.com [127.0.0.1]) by zumba.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i6KLNufE071348 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:24:02 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from zumba@zumba.com) Received: by zumba.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id i6KLNuKc071347 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:23:56 -0300 (BRT) From: "Paulo Fonseca Jr." To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:23:55 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20040720225420.S33865@chylonia.3miasto.net> In-Reply-To: <20040720225420.S33865@chylonia.3miasto.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200407201823.55388.paulofonsecajr@terra.com.br> Subject: HP deskjet X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:53:40 -0000 how to print with HP deskjet and freebsd5.1+kde3.1.2 ? Anybody help me? Zumba. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 21 18:57:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA57416A4CF for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:57:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2535B43D54 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:57:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:58:58 -0500 Message-ID: <40FEBC89.4010201@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:57:13 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Paulo Fonseca Jr." References: <20040717194809.33690.qmail@web14204.mail.yahoo.com> <200407171347.23351.krinklyfig@spymac.com> <20040720225420.S33865@chylonia.3miasto.net> <200407201823.55388.paulofonsecajr@terra.com.br> In-Reply-To: <200407201823.55388.paulofonsecajr@terra.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2004 18:58:59.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7BF1020:01C46F54] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HP deskjet X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:57:18 -0000 Paulo Fonseca Jr. wrote: >how to print with HP deskjet and freebsd5.1+kde3.1.2 ? >Anybody help me? > >Zumba. > > I had good luck with Apsfilter (/usr/ports/print/apsfilter). During the "setup" script I chose the "hpijs" driver. It works well with my HP 6110xi. HTH, Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 06:05:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9727B16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:05:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl [150.254.89.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A83F43D2F for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:05:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r@zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl) Received: from zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FBA811F for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:08:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from r@localhost) by zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id i6M68nv3049544 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:08:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:08:49 +0200 From: /root/of/all/evil To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040722060849.GA49536@zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Could not get daemons starting during system boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:05:35 -0000 Definition of the problem: Installed applications daemons which have their startup scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ are not starting during system boot as they should. Description of the problem: I had very good working server at FBSD 5.2.1 with several applications (such as apache2, mysql, pureftpd, postfix, saslauth) and I have upgraded it one day, due to security advisories of FBSD developers, and application advisories due to portaudit advisories. Buildworld and whole process of upgrading system from cvsup goes well, portupgrade of applications also. And after that I discovered, that upgraded applications does not start during system boot. I chcecked my srcipts permissions (fine), same scripts (fine too - if I run any script from commandline after the system start, it boots the proper daemon nicely) and config files of applications (fine too). After that I started to read forums, and google, then find out that daemons now needs declarations in /etc/rc.conf so I added them. Still nothing. I finished with that I added the scripts at the end of the only starting script which is apache2 script, but this is *NOT* proper solution, even if daemons are working. Can *anybody* give me *any* hint/tip or tell me what I did wrong? Im fightng with that for almost two weeks right now, and that affects all 3 of my machines. System details: rc.conf: apache2_enable="YES" oidentd_enable="YES" mysqld_enable="YES" pureftpd_enable="YES" local_startup="/usr/local/etc/rc.d" installed versions: apache-2.0.50 mysql-client-4.0.20 mysql-server-4.0.20 pure-ftpd-1.0.19 postfix-2.1.3,1 cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.18_2 sample startup script from .../rc.d/: pure-ftpd.sh: #!/bin/sh # PROVIDE: pureftpd # REQUIRE: NETWORKING SERVERS # BEFORE: DAEMON # KEYWORD: FreeBSD shutdown # # Add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf to enable pure-ftpd: # # pureftpd_enable="YES" # . /etc/rc.subr name=pureftpd rcvar=`set_rcvar` command=/usr/local/sbin/pure-config.pl pureftpd_config=${pureftpd_config:-"/usr/local/etc/pure-ftpd.conf"} required_files=${pureftpd_config} pidfile=/var/run/pure-ftpd.pid procname=pure-ftpd pureftpd_enable="YES" command_args=${pureftpd_config} load_rc_config $name run_rc_command "$1" files permissions: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 50 23 Maj 14:42 000.compat4x.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 181 24 Cze 23:50 000.mysql-client.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 248 13 Lip 19:11 000.pkgtools.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1809 21 Lip 20:30 apache2.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 407 31 Maj 20:29 apache2.sh.orig -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 227 9 Lip 14:27 helix.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 549 24 Cze 23:41 mysql-server.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 550 24 Cze 13:48 oidentd.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 558 21 Lip 20:23 pure-ftpd.sh system: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8 Please, give me any help, if you know what is going on here. Thanks a lot, r. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 06:09:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A7F16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:09:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BA9343D5D for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:09:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from system-administrator@earthlink.net) Received: from user-0cceq8c.cable.mindspring.com ([24.199.105.12] helo=earthlink.net)(TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1BnWmA-0007mq-Cy for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:09:54 -0700 Message-ID: <40FF5A62.2010006@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 02:10:42 -0400 From: "Hakim Z. Singhji" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070609020909070504040001" X-ELNK-Trace: 59e746354e49a56ad5e26e230a8c4dea74bf435c0eb9d478649883cad881a676e90c22a8ff0d578abd6cf75528271c81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.105.12 Subject: Default Gateway??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:09:54 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070609020909070504040001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I'm building a default gateway on my network and I've decided to use FreeBSD to support the gateway however, the machine I was planning to use is extremely low tech. I wanted to know if a low amount of RAM would slow down my network? I'm not going to use a KDE or GNOME GUI or even X for that matter. It will only serve SSH and maybe FTP. So processes will be at a minimum. Specs: ~ *32M RAM (can upgrade to 512, however didn't really want to) ~ *300Mhz ~ *5G hda Will this BSD box slow down my network? Need some feedback, thanks in advance. 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(ohoyer@localhost)i6M81XgT014394; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:01:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohoyer@ohoyer.de) X-Authentication-Warning: gaff.hhhr.ision.net: ohoyer owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:01:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Olaf Hoyer Sender: ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net To: "Hakim Z. Singhji" In-Reply-To: <40FF5A62.2010006@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20040722095220.K14361@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> References: <40FF5A62.2010006@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Default Gateway??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 08:01:36 -0000 On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Hakim Z. Singhji wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi All, > > I'm building a default gateway on my network and I've decided to use > FreeBSD to support the gateway however, the machine I was planning to > use is extremely low tech. > > I wanted to know if a low amount of RAM would slow down my network? I'm > not going to use a KDE or GNOME GUI or even X for that matter. It will > only serve SSH and maybe FTP. So processes will be at a minimum. Hi! Well, when a Unix machine has to swap, then everything will of course going slower. So you need enough RAM for the application... > > Specs: > ~ *32M RAM (can upgrade to 512, however didn't really want to) > ~ *300Mhz > ~ *5G hda > > Will this BSD box slow down my network? Need some feedback, thanks in > advance. Depends on your network. I myself had a DSL Router built from a Pentium 100, 32 MB RAM and 2GG HDD, this acted as gateway, running ssh and sendmail/fetchmail on it, and it was sufficient, and had not to swap. So a text-only install will do, serving several clients as gateway. HTH Olaf -- Olaf Hoyer ohoyer@gaff.hhhr.ision.net Fuerchterliche Erlebniss geben zu raten, ob der, welcher sie erlebt, nicht etwas Fuerchterliches ist. (Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und Boese) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 10:59:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8B316A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:59:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from alpargata.net (alpargata.net [67.18.172.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73ABB43D46 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:59:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Received: from illusionart.com (dialup-4.243.122.150.Dial1.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net [4.243.122.150]) (authenticated bits=0) by alpargata.net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6MAxaGo075305 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 05:59:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from nospam@illusionart.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 03:59:37 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Vonleigh Simmons To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3905EA84-DBCE-11D8-8A99-000A2791B6EC@illusionart.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Subject: /var running out of space X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:59:14 -0000 Today in my Daily Output I noticed that my /var partition is running out of space. The partition is only 250MB and /var/mail is the biggest hog with about 170MB. I think that this /var is way too small, considering that 20 mail users with 10MB of email each, would be 200MB and could easily saturate it. I'm wondering what would be the best way of going about this. My initial thought was to just link /var/mail to /home/mail and that way let it grow however it needs to. However, maybe setting /var/mail to it's own partition might be advantageous, although I don't know if this requires reformatting the whole HD. I don't have access to the server (I'm renting it in a facility), so reformatting is not an option, it's also on a mirrored RAID if that changes anything. Thanks in advance for your help. Vonleigh Simmons From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 14:25:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B84016A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:25:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fawkes.compudoc.za.net (myw-stp-196-34-113-10.sentechsa.net [196.34.113.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B2043D67 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:25:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from godfrey@compudoc.co.za) Received: from mail.compudoc.za.org ([209.203.2.69]) by fawkes.compudoc.za.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BneW5-0007Cw-VT for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:25:50 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.11] (port=1342 helo=goddies.compudoc.co.za) by mail.compudoc.za.org with asmtp (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1BneUi-0009Fk-6J for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:25:47 +0200 Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040722160152.027365a8@office.compudoc.za.org> X-Sender: godfrey@compudoc.za.org@office.compudoc.za.org X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:25:25 +0200 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Compu-Doc Godfrey Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Warning: Reverse lookup for 209.203.2.69 failed to verify Subject: Traffic from port 80 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:25:55 -0000 Hello I am trying to send all web traffic ie all browsing traffic sent to/via our office squid server. My ultimate aim is to put web guard on the squid server and see who is browsing rather than working :-)) What I am trying to achieve is a member of staff tries to browse the net and does not set the proxy on their pc for what ever reason their traffic gets directed to the proxy server I tried the following in the rc.firewall script /sbin/ipfw add 8500 deny tcp from any to any 80 via fxp0 Which deny's all port 80 traffic and stop's the browsing but then I cant do wget sessions from inside the firewall so the above is not satisfactory. The next thing I tried on the fire wall was redirect_port tcp 127.0.0.1:80 3128 redirect_port tcp 127.0.0.1:80 8080 But that does not help as it seems the sending pc was using ports like 2667 to port 80 on the respective web server. I would really appreciate any help with this problem thanks Kind Regards Godfrey ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Compu-Doc On-Line - http://www.compudoc.co.za Striving To Serve You Better ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Godfrey J. Hamshire Compu-Doc On-Line 10 Perth Place Umbilo Durban 4001 Phone 031 4659009 Fax 031 4651998 Cell 083 773 8776 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Katsumoto: A perfect blossom. You could spend your whole life searching for one, and it would not be a wasted life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 14:41:57 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AB3316A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:41:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from maya20.nic.fr (maya20.nic.fr [192.134.4.152]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BFB43D39 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bortzmeyer@nic.fr) Received: from vespucci.nic.fr (postfix@vespucci.nic.fr [192.134.4.68]) by maya20.nic.fr (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id i6MEfcxS1076150; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: by vespucci.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 1055) id C2CE411105; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:41:38 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:41:38 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: Compu-Doc Godfrey Message-ID: <20040722144138.GA5545@nic.fr> References: <6.1.2.0.0.20040722160152.027365a8@office.compudoc.za.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.0.20040722160152.027365a8@office.compudoc.za.org> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable X-Kernel: Linux 2.4.26-1-k7 i686 Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1+cvs20040105i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Traffic from port 80 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:41:57 -0000 On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 04:25:25PM +0200, Compu-Doc Godfrey wrote a message of 51 lines which said: > Which deny's all port 80 traffic and stop's the browsing but then I > cant do wget sessions from inside the firewall so the above is not > satisfactory. Like any good Unix software, wget honors the environment variable http_proxy. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 14:49:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215DA16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:49:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk (bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.5.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 950FC43D49 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:49:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from y.huang@cs.ucl.ac.uk) Received: from darkblue.cs.ucl.ac.uk by bells.cs.ucl.ac.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <40FFE0D6.4030607@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:44:22 +0100 From: Yangcheng Huang User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20040522 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh-cn MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem with locking KDE 3.1 desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:49:35 -0000 After locking the desktop, fail to login(auth failed). Run kcheckpass, "authentication failure for user root [uid 0]" Any advice? Many thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 22 14:52:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28FFE16A4CE for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:52:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fidel.freesurf.fr (fidel.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC19143D46 for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:52:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ogautherot@freesurf.fr) Received: from freesurf.fr (arlette.freesurf.fr [212.43.206.12]) by fidel.freesurf.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 418152A612C for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 62.240.243.205 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ogautherot) by arlette.freesurf.fr with HTTP; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:52:53 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3411.62.240.243.205.1090507973.squirrel@arlette.freesurf.fr> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:52:53 +0200 (CEST) From: To: X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <3905EA84-DBCE-11D8-8A99-000A2791B6EC@illusionart.com> References: <3905EA84-DBCE-11D8-8A99-000A2791B6EC@illusionart.com> Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.5) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: /var running out of space X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:52:55 -0000 Hi Vonleigh! > I think that this /var is way too small, considering that 20 mail > users with 10MB of email each, would be 200MB and could easily saturate > it. > > I'm wondering what would be the best way of going about this. My > initial thought was to just link /var/mail to /home/mail and that way > let it grow however it needs to. However, maybe setting /var/mail to > it's own partition might be advantageous, although I don't know if this > requires reformatting the whole HD. If you move your mail directory to /home, make sure it ends up on the /usr partition rather then / (the default location of /home is on /). Another option is to "growfs" the /var partition: it is a utility that resizes the partitions nearly live. Since resizing is only possible while the partitions are umounted, make sure you do that during boot (option 4 of the BSD boot manager, that stops after fsck). You can also use growfs to reserve some space for an additional label within the slice (i.e. partition), which you could assign to /var/mail. > I don't have access to the server (I'm renting it in a facility), so > reformatting is not an option, it's also on a mirrored RAID if that > changes anything. Good point: does growfs work on RAID-based partitions? Hope it helps Olivier From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 23 02:04:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30AE716A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:04:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lakermmtao06.cox.net (lakermmtao06.cox.net [68.230.240.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E2243D55 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:04:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from james.coulter@cox.net) Received: from sabrina ([68.105.58.150]) by lakermmtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040723020424.YFMZ9340.lakermmtao06.cox.net@sabrina> for ; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:04:24 -0400 From: "James A. Coulter" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:04:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c47059$55ef6890$6e01a8c0@sabrina> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Newbie Success Story - FreeBSD LAN/WAN Gateway Setup X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:04:27 -0000 Even though I discovered and installed FreeBSD for the first time over = two years ago, I was never able to figure out how to get a computer running FreeBSD to act as a gateway to the WAN for my small home LAN. Like many people raised on Windows, I was impatient and never researched = the technical data fully, instead searching the mailing lists in the hopes = of finding an easy answer. Even after purchasing Greg Lehey's excellent "The Complete FreeBSD" and Annelise Anderson's "FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System for your Personal Computer" I was still getting nowhere and still getting = frustrated. Finally, I asked the FreeBSD-questions list what I was doing wrong and = got almost instant feedback: turn Network Address Translation on. In other words, your FreeBSD box must not only act as a gateway to the internet, but as a router, too. All these years of letting Windows wizards do the heavy lifting for me = had left me dumb and lazy. I thought that enabling the gateway (gateway_enable=3D"YES") in the rc.conf was all I needed to do. Well, it's not and in case another newbie, making the transition from Windows to FreeBSD gets here after typing "FreeBSD gateway" into google, here's a very quick list of what you'll need to do to get your new = FreeBSD box to pass packets back and forth between the Internet and your home = LAN: 1. You'll need two nics in your FreeBSD gateway/router box - one = connected to your modem (the WAN) and one connected to your hub (the LAN) 1. Build a custom kernel with the following options included: options IPFIREWALL options IPDIVERT You can find instructions on building a custom kernel in Chapter 8 of = the FreeBSD Handbook (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html). = (A word to the wise - if it doesn't work the first time, start over and = make only a few changes to the GENERIC kernel at a time, re-compiling and re-installing after each change until you get it where you want it) 2. Create a file in /etc and name it rc.nat. Put the following lines = in it: /sbin/ipfw -f flush /sbin/ipfw add divert natd all from any to any via (your WAN nic, i.e. dc0 or maybe ed1) /sbin/ipfw add pass all from any to any 3. Add (or change) the following in /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_(WAN nic) =3D "DHCP" (assuming your ISP provides you with a dynamic IP address) =09 ifconfig_(LAN nic) =3D "inet XXX.XXX.X.XXX netmask 255.255.255.0" (I used 192.168.1.1) gateway_enable=3D"YES" firewall_enable=3D"YES" firewall_script=3D"/etc/rc.nat" firewall_type=3D"OPEN" natd_enable=3D"YES" natd_interface=3D"(WAN nic)" natd_flags=3D"-dynamic" (WARNING: All though this configuration enables your firewall, it also = sets it wide open which means in effect it is not operating and you're not getting any protection. Firewall configuration is my next FreeBSD goal. = . .) 4. Execute the following (as a superuser): /etc/netstart 5. Check connectivity to the Internet by running ifconfig and ensuring = both your nics are up and your ISP has assigned an IP address to your WAN = nic. PING www.freebsd.org to make sure you're REALLY connected to the = internet. . . 6. Configure the other computers on you LAN with static IP addresses in = the same subnet as your LAN nic (my LAN nic's IP address is 192.168.1.1, the WinXP machine I am typing this e-mail on is 192.168.1.101). Make sure = you specify Domain Name Servers (DNS) addresses! 6. Check connectivity between your other computers and the FreeBSD gateway/router by pinging it. 7. Finally try pinging www.freebsd.org - congrats if you get a = response! If not, all I can say is keep reading the man pages and if all else = fails send an e-mail to the freebsd-questions mailing list with the contents = of your rc.conf and output of ifconfig and netstat -rn and almost certainly somebody will help you out like they helped me out. Good luck and thanks again to the FreeBSD community for all your help - = I'm sure it won't be long before I'm asking for help configuring my = firewall. Jim C. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 23 02:23:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EF1D16A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:23:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f31.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEE643D53 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:23:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from system-administrator@earthlink.net) Received: from user-0cceq8c.cable.mindspring.com ([24.199.105.12] helo=earthlink.net)(TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1Bnpig-0005KN-7t; Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: <410076D1.6050906@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:24:17 -0400 From: "Hakim Z. Singhji" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olaf Hoyer References: <40FF5A62.2010006@earthlink.net> <20040722095220.K14361@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> In-Reply-To: <20040722095220.K14361@gaff.hhhr.ision.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070508010505090503050706" X-ELNK-Trace: 59e746354e49a56ad5e26e230a8c4dea74bf435c0eb9d478649883cad881a676a7a7ee7c4ff90304538d3117402c92b4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.105.12 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Default Gateway??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 02:23:35 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070508010505090503050706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Olaf Hoyer wrote: | On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Hakim Z. Singhji wrote: | | |>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |>Hash: SHA1 |> |>Hi All, |> |>I'm building a default gateway on my network and I've decided to use |>FreeBSD to support the gateway however, the machine I was planning to |>use is extremely low tech. |> |>I wanted to know if a low amount of RAM would slow down my network? I'm |>not going to use a KDE or GNOME GUI or even X for that matter. It will |>only serve SSH and maybe FTP. So processes will be at a minimum. | | | Hi! | | Well, when a Unix machine has to swap, then everything will of course | going slower. So you need enough RAM for the application... | | | |>Specs: |>~ *32M RAM (can upgrade to 512, however didn't really want to) |>~ *300Mhz |>~ *5G hda |> |>Will this BSD box slow down my network? Need some feedback, thanks in |>advance. | | | Depends on your network. I myself had a DSL Router built from a Pentium | 100, 32 MB RAM and 2GG HDD, this acted as gateway, running ssh and | sendmail/fetchmail on it, and it was sufficient, and had not to swap. | | So a text-only install will do, serving several clients as gateway. | | HTH | Olaf Hi Olaf, Swap is not really a problem, I have 5G hda, which is plenty of space to ~ create a swap file with as much space as I need used for swap. I was just concerned about the RAM and speed. Thanks for your help. 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-0700 From: "steveb99" To: Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:02:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000601c47059$55ef6890$6e01a8c0@sabrina> X-ELNK-Trace: 61319303532569511aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796bb1ee6e84e1b29129a1c7aca949abf6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.3.114.72 Subject: FreeBSD, PHP, and MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 05:02:03 -0000 Hello all I'm new to the list. I moving over to FreeBSD from Linux and want to setup the same development environment as I used on Linux. I'm looking for pointers to a good howto on how to install, setup PHP and MySQL. I running FreeBSD 5.2.1, and have run the Apache2 port and have Apache up and running. Now would like PHP 5, but 4.n is fine. Then MySQL the most current supported version. Thanks for any pointers you can pass along. Steve B. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 23 19:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03CB16A4CE for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C71EF43D2F for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i6NJAMda050877 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:22 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i6NJAMX6050838 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:22 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:22 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200407231910.i6NJAMX6050838@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 19:10:23 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 24 03:50:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C7216A4D2; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:50:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net (asmtp-a063f33.pas.sa.earthlink.net [207.217.120.149]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141B343D46; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:50:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from system-administrator@earthlink.net) Received: from user-0cceq8c.cable.mindspring.com ([24.199.105.12] helo=earthlink.net)(TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.34) id 1BoDYE-0000C6-8E; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:50:22 -0700 Message-ID: <4101DCAF.3050804@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 23:51:11 -0400 From: "Hakim Z. Singhji" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040115 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms040109080907040002050109" X-ELNK-Trace: 59e746354e49a56ad5e26e230a8c4dea74bf435c0eb9d478649883cad881a6766aa3639bbafde90fdf4dea5d24d49372350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.199.105.12 Subject: FreeBSD Gateway??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 03:50:23 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms040109080907040002050109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I am building a gateway/router from a i386 300Mhz, 32MB RAM, 5GB hda and ~ I need to buy the NIC cards. I wanted to have three interface connection points to my gateway/router. Does anyone have any suggestions on the type of NIC I should use? I would appreciate some help. In addition, I'm new to BSD. I hail from the Redhat world, but I anticipate FreeBSD to be a great addition to my network. 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Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hakim Z. Singhji" References: <4101DCAF.3050804@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <4101DCAF.3050804@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2004 04:13:10.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[87FBA2F0:01C47134] cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Gateway??? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 04:11:26 -0000 Hakim Z. Singhji wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Everyone, > > I am building a gateway/router from a i386 300Mhz, 32MB RAM, 5GB hda and > ~ I need to buy the NIC cards. I wanted to have three interface > connection points to my gateway/router. Does anyone have any suggestions > on the type of NIC I should use? I would appreciate some help. > > In addition, I'm new to BSD. I hail from the Redhat world, but I > anticipate FreeBSD to be a great addition to my network. > > HZS 10/100? There are less Gigabit types that are supported, yet, but then the reason for that should be pretty obvious. Anyway, you generally can't go wrong with 3Com. That said, I've never had trouble with 3Com, SiS, DEC/Intel, even RealTek and the onboard VIA/Rhine stuff (drivers, respectively: xl, sis, dc, rl, vr). That covers quite a few chipsets. There are plenty more. The only problem I have answering your post is that I don't know what's *not* supported. Also, some users have reported issues with "watchdog timeout" errors using 5.X FBSD and one of the drivers mentioned above. You could probably spot which one on Google ... HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 24 08:58:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9153A16A4CE for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:58:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl [150.254.89.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E963143D1D for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:58:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from r@zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl) Received: from zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i6O91p6a009074 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:01:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from r@zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl) Received: (from r@localhost) by zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id i6O91pAY009073 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:01:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from r) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:01:51 +0200 From: /root/of/all/evil To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20040724090151.GA8990@zeik.wns.amu.edu.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Daemons are not starting during boot from /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 08:58:30 -0000 Definition of the problem: Installed applications daemons which have their startup scripts in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/ are not starting during system boot as they should (only one script is starting - apache2). Description of the problem: I had very good working server at FBSD 5.2.1 with several applications (such as apache2, mysql, pureftpd, postfix, saslauth) and I have upgraded it one day, due to security advisories of FBSD developers, and application advisories due to portaudit advisories. Buildworld and whole process of upgrading system from cvsup goes well, portupgrade of applications also. And after that I discovered, that upgraded applications does not start during system boot. I chcecked my srcipts permissions (fine), same scripts (fine too - if I run any script from commandline after the system start, it boots the proper daemon nicely) and config files of applications (fine too). After that I started to read forums, and google, then find out that daemons now needs declarations in /etc/rc.conf so I added them. Still nothing. I finished with that I added the scripts at the end of the only starting script which is apache2 script, but this is *NOT* proper solution, even if daemons are working. Also, I dont see anything uncommon content in any system log. Can *anybody* give me *any* hint/tip or tell me what I did wrong? Im fightng with that for almost two weeks right now, and that affects all 3 of my machines. System details: rc.conf: apache2_enable="YES" oidentd_enable="YES" mysqld_enable="YES" pureftpd_enable="YES" local_startup="/usr/local/etc/rc.d" installed versions: apache-2.0.50 mysql-client-4.0.20 mysql-server-4.0.20 pure-ftpd-1.0.19 postfix-2.1.3,1 cyrus-sasl-saslauthd-2.1.18_2 sample startup script from .../rc.d/: pure-ftpd.sh: #!/bin/sh # PROVIDE: pureftpd # REQUIRE: NETWORKING SERVERS # BEFORE: DAEMON # KEYWORD: FreeBSD shutdown # # Add the following lines to /etc/rc.conf to enable pure-ftpd: # # pureftpd_enable="YES" # . /etc/rc.subr name=pureftpd rcvar=`set_rcvar` command=/usr/local/sbin/pure-config.pl pureftpd_config=${pureftpd_config:-"/usr/local/etc/pure-ftpd.conf"} required_files=${pureftpd_config} pidfile=/var/run/pure-ftpd.pid procname=pure-ftpd pureftpd_enable="YES" command_args=${pureftpd_config} load_rc_config $name run_rc_command "$1" file permissions: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 50 23 Maj 14:42 000.compat4x.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 181 24 Cze 23:50 000.mysql-client.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 248 13 Lip 19:11 000.pkgtools.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 1809 21 Lip 20:30 apache2.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 407 31 Maj 20:29 apache2.sh.orig -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 227 9 Lip 14:27 helix.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 549 24 Cze 23:41 mysql-server.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 550 24 Cze 13:48 oidentd.sh -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 558 21 Lip 20:23 pure-ftpd.sh system: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p8 Please, give me any help, if you know what is going on here. Thanks a lot, r. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 24 16:43:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0EF16A4CE for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:43:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5AB43D39 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:43:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-203-241-116.client.insightbb.com[12.203.241.116]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with SMTP id <20040724164311i920091sb2e>; Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:43:11 +0000 Message-ID: <41029195.6070102@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 11:43:01 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: steveb99 , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD, PHP, and MySQL X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 16:43:13 -0000 steveb99 wrote: >Hello all I'm new to the list. > >I moving over to FreeBSD from Linux and want to setup the same development >environment as I used on Linux. I'm looking for pointers to a good howto on >how to install, setup PHP and MySQL. I running FreeBSD 5.2.1, and have run >the Apache2 port and have Apache up and running. Now would like PHP 5, but >4.n is fine. Then MySQL the most current supported version. > >Thanks for any pointers you can pass along. > >Steve B. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > FreeBSD, Apache, PostgreSQL, and PHP might be a better combo if your scripts are DB independent, MySQL has (had) some threading issues on FreeBSD. http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000697.html